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It's nice to see so many people on such a nice day. I'm a student in Iowa State here. My name is Michael Walker, and as a future attorney, I'm very privileged to be able to introduce our keynote speaker tonight. Rosemary Shaw Sackett was appointed in August 1983, by Governor Branstad to be a judge for the Iowa Court of Appeals. She served on the Iowa Judges Association from 1983 to the present day. She received her Bachelor of Arts degree, cum laude, in 1960 at Buena Vista College. She graduated from law school with her J.D. in 1963 from Drake University, and she was admitted into practice by the Iowa Supreme Court, also in 1963. She's a partner with Sackett Sackett and Hill PC in Spencer, and she's been practicing law there for 20 years. She's also an author. She's written a book called \"Alimony: A Retreat from Traditional Concepts of Spousal Support\", in 1986. She's also a lecturer. She served as a lecturer to the Iowa Bar Review, from 1980 to the present time. And she's also authored the review materials on family law and lecture at bar review sessions. She served as President of the Judicial 3A Bar Association from 1973. She's president of the Clay County Bar Association in 1973, 83 excuse me. She's also an honorary member of the Iowa Academy of Trial Lawyers. She's a member of the Court of Juvenile Rule Advisory Committee. She's a member of Family Law Committee, at the Iowa State Bar Association, 1968 to 1978. And in addition to all that, she's also a mother of four children, and she has interests in sailing, and 4-H, the PTA, and the list goes on, and on, and on. I'm very privileged to introduce tonight Judge Rosemary Shaw Sackett.\r\n\r\n- Thank you, it's very nice to be here, and I think one as a speaker particularly appreciates an audience on a night like, on a night following a day like this. But I made a little bit of a sacrifice to come too. I had to leave my home on the shores of Lake Okoboji this afternoon. I'm sure it was every bit as beautiful as it is here. Today we celebrate Law day, and we talk about laws. Laws protect our rights, and they protect the rights of our neighbors. There are laws that regulate either almost everything we do, and even some of the things we say. We come in contact with laws every day, in the workplace, in schools, in the marketplace. Laws establish reason, and they provide guidance. They provide patterns by which we are governed, and they reflect what our society feels it should have, or it should not have. We are a free people, yet some regulation is necessary in order for us to retain these freedoms. When we talk about law, we frequently talk about following precedent, about staring decisis, and about the need of courts to follow patterns, and not to change their minds, because people need the stability of knowing what laws expect upon them. And yet, laws also must be flexible enough to meet the current demands of our society. I was asked tonight to visit with you about laws that affect the family. These laws have been shaped by tradition, and yet must constantly be responsive to changes in the family structure in our current society. We will talk about traditional concepts, which have shaped family law. We will visit about how these concepts have changed, and are changing. And we will consider concepts that will need to be addressed in the area of family law before the end of the century. Last Friday night, I had the privilege of returning to Drake University to celebrate the 25th year of my graduation from Drake University Law School. So I guess my experience with the Iowa Law, and with law in general goes back 25 years. It scares me a little bit to think that that is in fact a quarter of a century, but so be it. When I graduated from law school in 1963, we had basically what we call traditional family structures. My mother, as did most of my friends mothers stayed home, and took care of their children, and took care of their home. My father was the breadwinner. He went into the marketplace and worked as a professional, just as most of my friends' parents had done. You also didn't live with people until you were in fact married, or if you did, it certainly was something that you did not broadcast. Children were supposed to be born to people who were married, and people who had children and were not married, particularly women, were not treated perhaps as fairly as they should have been by society. Women were employed yes, but generally that employment ceased when they married, or when they became mothers, and then maybe after those responsibilities were fulfilled, they were able to go back into the marketplace and seek employment. And then women worked as secretaries, as nurses, and as teachers, generally in positions which did not demand the wages that men, who were bread winners did in fact receive. I still remember one of my eighth grade teachers who had a B.A. She was not married, and one of our other teachers who happened to be a man was teaching at that time in seventh grade as you could, with two years of college. And he was making nearly a third more than she was because the school board had determined that he in fact had greater needs because he was a man and supporting a family. And that seemed to be the type of tradition, the type of things that society accepted. People didn't get divorced very easily, and when they did, it was frowned upon. And people generally, to a certain extent, did not approve of divorces, even though they did happen. The laws of our area basically reflected those kind of philosophies. In order to get a divorce in an Iowa court at that time, you had to show that your spouse was in fact a sinner, because divorce was sort of a sin, and to terminate a marriage, you had to show your spouse was a sinner. There were four grounds in Iowa, under which you could prove your spouse was a sinner. Number one, he and it generally was he who was the sinner, although there were exceptions to that rule, but primarily that generally happened, had deserted the family for more than two years, or was a habitual drunkard, or heaven forbid had committed adultery, or was guilty of such cruel and inhuman treatment as to endanger your life. And then you could only get divorced if you yourself were not a sinner, because if your spouse pled and proved that you had been guilty of any of these four grounds, then the law decided that you deserved each other, and so your marriage could not be dissolved. Custody of children of course, almost always went to mothers, mothers were home, they were traditional home makers, and they were the people who should have custody of younger children. In fact, the Iowa Court subscribed to the philosophy that there was a presumption that a mother could best care for a child of tender years. The court also structured the time that a child would spend with his or her father, primarily based upon the philosophy that the father obviously was working, and the only time that he had to be with the children was on weekends, and during the summer vacation. And most of the divorce decrees entered in that period of time provided that the child should be with the mother except for maybe every other Sunday, and a couple of weeks in the summertime. The courts felt that more contact than that with the father was confusing to the child. And of course the father was responsible for paying child support, and he also generally was responsible for paying his wife alimony, because as some courts reasoned, that would keep her from being a burden on society. Well, as the years went on, society changed, and people no longer perhaps considered divorce to be what it once had been, more marriages were breaking up, and it was very difficult to go into court and prove that your spouse had sinned in one of the four manners that the Iowa legislature required you to prove in order to get your marriage dissolved. The public was saying this isn't working. And the one round that is that you were guilty of such cruel and inhuman treatment so as to endanger your spouse's life, was probably flaunted, and people did go into court and testify that that was their ground, although they had never been beaten and probably if it were taken technically, they could not prove these grounds. The other thing about it was you couldn't just prove it on your own testimony, you had to bring a friend in that attested to the sins of your spouse. So in 1970, the Iowa Legislature reacted, and Iowa followed California, and I think Michigan came very soon thereafter, we were the second or third state in the United States to adopt what's called, a no-fault concept of dissolution. That basically means if the marriage isn't working, that's about all that's necessary in order to dissolve it, and the courtroom should not be a place in which we reiterate the sins of a spouse that we do not see eye to eye with or are not getting along with very well. Interestingly enough, all the other 50 States have followed, have ultimately followed suit, if not totally at least in part. So the fault concept, the sinning concept of dissolutions or divorces, is pretty much erased from the laws in the United States, because this is what society wanted. The laws followed the change in the traditional concept and structure of the family. And then in 1974, the Iowa Legislature erased the preference in, or the Iowa courts erased the preference in favor of mothers, and said that suddenly men were becoming more concerned with their children, more women were going into the workplace, and both parents were becoming concerned with their children, and men were interested in getting custody of their children. And the Iowa Court said there is no presumption anymore in favor of motherhood. As I said, the changes were the result of different attitudes. The result is today, we have a lot of custody disputes. The court that I sit on, in case you don't know, is the Iowa Court of Appeals. And a lot of people don't understand what the Iowa Court of Appeals is. It's a court in Iowa, that's only 11 years old. And we were formed 11 years ago, because the Iowa Supreme court just had too much work to do. And so we were formed as what's called a Pour-Over court, meaning that when the Iowa Supreme Court had too much work, it could be poured over or transferred to us. In Iowa, if you are unhappy with what happens to you in Story County Court, or in Polk County Court, or in Dickinson County Court, then you appeal your case to the Iowa Supreme Court. The Iowa Supreme court retains about 30% of those cases, and the balance, close to 70%, are transferred to our court, who in turn hears the appeals and renders a decision. Then if you don't like what our court does, you have the right to ask the Supreme court to take the case back, and consider it again. And they take, I think it's about 2% of the cases that they transferred to us to decide, back again. So as far as our structure, we operate according to the same rules, and hear cases in the same courtroom as the Iowa Supreme Court. We do not however have the administrative responsibilities that the Iowa Supreme Court has, and there currently are six judges on our court. So from where I sit, we hear a lot of custody disputes. When people get divorces, when their marriage is dissolved, both parents are interested in having custody of their children. Now, again very recently, the legislature acted, and had been acting over the course of time, to be concerned about the rights of children whose parents are divorced to know both parents. And through a series of changes in the Iowa Law, we finally came to the point where we are now, and that is that when parents get divorced, and most basically one of them is unfit, they, unless they don't want it, but they want custody of their children, they probably will be given what we call joint physical custody, meaning they both have rights to be involved in their children's lives. But of course and in most circumstances, children can not live in two homes and they need a primary place to be. And so one parent or the other must be named what we call a, must be given what we call physical care. So we now become embattled in a question of which parent or the other should have physical care. And whereas, the fault, the moral judgments, the recitation of one spouses of the others sins, allegedly left the court room with the advent of no-fault disillusion, it returns full blast in child custody determination. And as a judge frequently, I get very tired of parents who take the court's time, in telling us what horrible people the other parent is, without giving us affirmative information about what their qualities as a parent are, and without telling us what kind of things they will do in taking care Of the children. Also the courts have a great deal of difficulty when parents do in fact decide that they are not going to put the best interest of their children on top, and they're going to continue to fight the battles that resulted in the dissolutions, through their children, and they're not going to give consideration to their children's best interests. And they continue to do everything they can to sabotage court orders, and make life very difficult for their children. Because of the fact that we are seeing more custody disputes because of greater number of disillusions, and also because of the fact that both parents now have equal rights to their children. I think that we probably will see our laws react to this problem. In the last session, the Iowa Legislature considered two bills which would require some type of mandatory mediation in child custody matters, which would require people to sit down with a mediator, and talk about these things, rather than going into the court room, and going through the adversary process, which frequently doesn't work very well, and does sometimes create scars, and wounds that are not easily healed. As I look forward to the year 2000, I think that in the area of child custody and dissolution hopefully we will see some things happen, because of society's pressure, because of the need for laws to change, which will result in these types of things being resolved in a more satisfactory manner. Also, I see that an effort will be made to continue to educate parents to the need of understanding the need to communicate with their child's parents, even though they don't like them very well. When we look at the current no-fault dissolution law, there have been some criticisms of it, contending that when parties no longer have to bargain for their freedom, because anybody can be divorced basically that wants to be. That this may be causing women and children to leave marriage at an economic disadvantage. And there was a recent study by a professor at Stanford, that indicated that this might happen, which of course points to me, not to the need to return fault to the courtroom in the divorcing process, but a continual need to educate courts, and lawyers, and people, about the economic division of assets and dissolutions. Also our current dissolution laws, I talked with you earlier about how the fact some years ago, people did basically not live together without the benefit of clergy, and we all are aware that this is happening with a great deal of frequency today. Currently in Iowa, we really don't have anything to, we don't have any precedent to handle issues of division of property that may be acquired by a couple, that may have been living together without the benefit of clergy. This may be an issue which will be addressed before too long, because this is a need that society has, it is not currently being met. Iowa does however, recognize common law marriage, unlike many states, which people may find themselves married in Iowa without realizing that they had gotten married. But in order to be married by common law, it does require that there be an intent to be married and a holding out. However, once these two things happen then we may in Iowa have a common law marriage. A third issue that seems to evolve from the marriage and dissolution process, which may not currently be addressed under Iowa Law, is the right of parties who are going to be married, to contract in Iowa between themselves as to what should happen should their marriage fail, should their marriage be dissolved. The Iowa Courts currently say that such contracts are void. If a man and woman get together and they say, well if our marriage last three years, when we break up she'll get half of the money in the bank, and he'll get half of the money in the bank, or if it lasts two years, she'll get a fourth of the money in the bank, and he'll get three-fourths of the money in the bank, and he'll pay her so much for so many years. The Iowa Courts have reasoned that basically dissolution of marriage is void, is against public policy. And for this reason, have refused to enforce agreements which are made, which contemplated dissolution. This is another area where tradition governed, and yet there may in the future be a need to make some changes in this area. We've talked a lot about people that are married, and what their rights are, where they came from, how they've changed in some of the areas of concern. What about if there is, what about children who come from, who are the result of no marriage, who are basically born to a woman who is not married to the father? I'm sorry. Traditionally, children that were born to a marriage were presumed to be the product of the marriage, and neither spouse could testify in court to what we call bastardize the child. If a child was born to a mother who was not married, not too long ago, she was basically presumed to be the person, who had all rights to that child, including the right to vise the child for adoption. And to obtain support, she was required to file a legal action, and go into court with a jury, if either she or the alleged father requested it, to attempt to prove that he was in fact the father of the child, to get medical expenses, and to get support for the child. It was really, and procedures to do this still exist in Iowa. Fortunately in my 20 years in the law practice, I only had the occasion to participate in one paternity case, and it was really a fairly uncomfortable situation. At that time there was little medical evidence available to determine who in fact was the father of the child. The mother came in and testified as to her relationship with the man she considered to be the father, and then the father brought in a series of friends who all contended that they had slept with the mother at one time or the other, very close to the time of conception. Today, these things are not happening, really not happening anymore, because of the fact that medical science now is able to predict with an almost 99% chance of being correct, based on certain genetic factors, based on certain blood types, whether or not the man who mother contends is the father of the child is in fact the father of the child. And there are varying tests that determine the probability with different degrees of certainty. But the authorities seem to indicate that with the right test, one can almost be as positive as one is about anything. Because of this fact, the Iowa Courts reacted, I had told you earlier that parents couldn't bastardize their own child if they were married to each other, and the child was born during the course of the marriage. The Iowa Supreme Court was faced with a case where the blood tests indicated very conclusively, that the husband was not the father of the child. And at that point the courts said that this whole presumption basically doesn't make a lot of sense anymore, and so we will let parents testify as to non-access to each other, if it does show that someone else is the parent of the child. And of course in the situation where we have unwed mothers, these tests have become very valuable, because they all bringing in alleged supposed other boyfriends, really doesn't work very well anymore, where this medical evidence is available, that shows the man very probably is the father of the child. The Iowa Legislature reacted when these tests became available, by canceling laws which enabled these tests to be admitted into evidence fairly easily, and also gave trial judges in this state, the right to order the tests, if the father's attorney and the mother's attorney had not bothered to do so, if the court found that the tests were in fact necessary. I think this is all very good, because obviously it is important to society, to mothers, to fathers, and to children, that accurate determinations with reference to paternity be made. What of other issues? We're talking now about children that are not married, are not born to people that are married to each other. And I'm sure that we all have had some exposure to the very troublesome issues that have evolved from surrogate parenting. I'm sure all of you are familiar with the case out of New Jersey, Baby M. And of course the Iowa Courts have not yet been required to address these issues. The mother in that particular situation, the Baby M situation, allegedly and originally, was contending that she should have the child because of her rights of motherhood. Of course as I told you earlier, at least in Iowa, mothers no longer have any type of presumptions as far as custody of the child, and the issues that are determined are what was in the best interest of the child. It seems in this area that Iowa probably would follow quite closely what the New Jersey Supreme Court did, that is basically they looked at both homes, and determined where they thought the child would probably have a better upbringing. And of course the interesting issue that was also presented in the Baby M case was does the fact that the father and his wife were more full on to the mother, is this a factor that the courts are considering, and is the mother being discriminated against, because she is not as financially able as the father. In Iowa, this is one issue that the courts have been very clear about, and that is that one's financial situation should not necessarily be considered in determining whether or not the child will have a better chance with one parent or the other, because obviously the parent that does not have custody should and will be ordered to pay child support if they are financially able to do so, or if they are in a financially a better situation. The New Jersey court basically however held that the contract would not be enforced. And as I understand the Jersey law, part of the rationale that followed this decision was the fact that basically baby selling is not legal in New Jersey, nor is it legal in Iowa. The Iowa Legislature has provided that in adoptions the mother cannot be given money, although money can be paid for the expenses of hospital and doctors surrounding her birth, can be paid for legal fees, and other fees, which are in relationship to the adoption process. The question has been asked, and I only ask it to, not because I am giving you an opinion on it, but merely because it's something that I ask you to think about, is why are all these other people paid for services rendered? And why is the pain, and the suffering, and the discomfort, that the mother went through during the course of the birthing process, not compensable. Public policy seems to say that it is not, but there are people who are questioning that. Let's go for a minute, from the case of Baby M, to the question of a child who has been born as a result of his mother being artificially impregnated with the sperm of a man other than her husband. This apparently happens with a great deal of frequency in this country. I guess it's generally one of these things that people don't know too much about, because unlike the mother who was pregnant, obviously visibly pregnant for nine months carrying some other man's child, the sperm transfer can be made in the privacy of a doctor's office. And frequently the doctor who's delivering the baby may not be the doctor who did the artificial insemination. It was done to a couple who were married to each other. And so for all practical purposes, and for the world to know the child is in fact the child of the husband of the woman. But what if the man who donated the sperm, decides as the mother did in the Baby M case, that he wants to claim his rights to that child. That that was his child, and he wants his rights as a father. Would we have the same situation, and would he be given the same rights as the mother was in the Baby M case? An additional problem that we are facing when we deal with artificial insemination is that there is no registry about it. Nobody really knows what happens. There may be some, very handsome young man in Aimes, Iowa, who was of superior intellect, who decides that he wants to do his thing for preserving his good qualities for future generations. And he may make a hundred donations to a sperm bank, in this community. And if I understand how some sperm banks work, the perspective parents go in and they realize that this sperm belongs to a good looking young man who was very intelligent. And obviously a lot of people want that kind of child, so those hundred donations may sell out in a hurry. So suddenly they're a hundred of his children running around in Aimes Iowa, and yet no one really knows who they are, or where they are. Is there a possibility that within the first generation or the second generation that those children probably will share some of the same interests, may in fact marry each other? Questions have been advanced, as to whether or not these kinds of problems do exist, and whether or not our legislatures should react and pass laws that require some type of identification and registration, with reference to situations where there is artificial insemination. Another issue in family law in which we have seen some change in the philosophy, is the issue of adoption. In the old days adoptions were fairly secret type of things, everybody kind of kept everything under cover, and for the most part children didn't know much about adoptive parents, and they were taught that they should not. In recent years, we have read a lot, we have learned a lot about children who have been adopted, who want to locate their birth parents. In fact, one of the current best sellers, the book by Michael Reagan, \"Looking From the Inside Out\", indicated that one of the highlights of his life was discovering a half brother, and the fact that the mother who had given him up for adoption, who was dead, and who discovered her, had in fact loved him. These kinds of things are opening up new areas that need to be addressed in the law, not only with reference to issues of confidentiality, or non confidentiality of adoption records, but also questions of open adoption. Now, if I had given a baby up at 16 for adoption, and I was sitting on my front porch this afternoon, with two of my five children, and somebody knocked on the back door and said, hi mom, I'm the baby you gave up. And I had not told my husband, and I had not told my children, it obviously could have created a very uncomfortable situation. And I suppose, had I given a baby up for adoption when I was 16 in 1956, I would have assumed that that would have been the end of it. So in addressing these issues, special concern always has to be given, to the rights of the people who do in fact give children up for adoption. Under current Iowa adoption law, basically there is some provision in this area, and that is at least, I think since about 1975 or something, the Iowa Law has provided that the mother and father, giving a child up for adoption, can file with the court records a statement, as to whether or not they would agree to have the child find them when they're 18, or whether they do not want the child to find them at 18. And this probably is a good law. And of course also the issue comes forth about the rights of parents to locate children that they have given up for adoption, and the problems that some of the children may face if suddenly hi mom, arrives on their doorstep, and mom has some problems, or expects the child to solve some problems, when in fact they have no loyalty to that mother, but to the mother that has in fact raised them. In some jurisdictions they really don't have these issues anymore because they are recognizing what we call open adoptions. And that is basically the mother who is giving the child up for adoption, goes through the list of people who want to adopt a baby, and of course today there are a lot of people that want to adopt a healthy baby. And she chooses a family that she wants to have her child, but the natural mother and the adoptive parents know each other, they correspond with each other. And basically they enter into a contract that even though the adoptive parents will be the primary, will be the caretakers of the child, that they will continue to keep in contact with the natural mother and or father, and let them know how the child is getting along. In some instances, visitation happens during different periods of time. Obviously there are problems connected with it, but there also are some philosophies advanced that there may be mothers who are not able to take care of the children because they're too young, or uneducated, that will give their children up for adoption knowing that they are not losing contact with them entirely. Another issue in the family law area that we have seen some very rapid changes in, are the rights of children. We are becoming more and more concerned with the rights of children, to be safe from physical abuse, to be safe from sexual abuse, our schools and societies in general, becomes more interested, has more rights to the children, or to check on how the children are being taken care of. On the other hand, society in taking these responsibilities for children, and interceding into the family, also stems a responsibility for assuring the children that when they are taken away from their parents, or when society does anything, or when the state does anything, that the state will in fact do the right thing. Will do what is necessary to help these children. And unfortunately, in some of the issues, particularly the issue of sexual abuse of children, and taking them away from families, and the dynamics of the family where these kinds of things have happened, there really isn't much history to go on. You know, these things were covered up for so many years, and nobody really understands what putting father in prison, or taking the child away, and putting the child in a foster home. There really haven't been any studies that tell us much about what the end result of these kinds of interventions will be. We want to hope that we are doing the right thing, but society is reacting to a problem, and society has a responsibility, and whether or not society is leading this responsibility is another problem, that I think people working in the family law area will be looking at very carefully in the next 10, or 15 years. When I talk about the rights of children, I talk too about the rights of children to live or die. And apparently years ago, there were reported cases where children were born with serious birth defects, where nothing was done to correct the birth defect, thinking that the child will just die, and that will be the best thing. I was in an ABA appellate judges meeting recently, and they showed a movie which allegedly was based on a true case history, where in a child who had down syndrome was born without an ability to get food from his mouth to it's stomach. And it was a birth defect, however it was not serious birth defect. And it was a defect that could be corrected very rapidly, very easily, and very successfully with surgery. The parents in that case selected that the child not have the surgery, and the child in fact starved to death. The question was asked did the parents in fact have the right to make that decision? I suppose our answer to that question would be no, that child should have been saved, but the question might not be answered so easily in situations where the child had much more serious birth defects, and heroic, and extensive, and expensive, and more than painful surgery, would be necessary in order to correct the defect, and the child then would only exist as a vegetable. Are those then the parents, do the parents who will have financial, and custodial responsibility for that child have the right to make those decisions, or are those decisions that the state should make? These questions are not answered easily. And I was talking to you about seeing this film at this ABA appellate judges meeting, which is a group of judges on both court of appeals, and supreme courts from the various courts in the United States, that meet periodically for continuing education, and an opportunity to share and exchange ideas. And of course, these are the people that judicially will ultimately be making a lot of these decisions if and when they reach their course. And I realized after spending the day with this group of people, discussing these answers, that they probably had no more, that they could not answer the questions any more easily than you and I can. And they are serious questions that have been brought about by changes in science, and technology, and traditional concepts. I've covered a lot of things in a hurry, and you've been very attentive. I'm going to stop now, but if you have any questions about anything I've covered, or anything I haven't covered, I would be happy to try and answer them. 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They weren't married and I think she","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43406/file/116299#t=46.64,50.24"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43406/file/116299/transcript/28244/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably didn't like the father and she was concerned","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43406/file/116299#t=50.24,53.08"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43406/file/116299/transcript/28244/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about the father visiting the 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One more. 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That has to do with all this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43406/file/116299#t=1344.284,1346.29"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43406/file/116299/transcript/28244/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Student Aid situation. Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43406/file/116299#t=1346.29,1348.45"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43406/file/116299/transcript/28244/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't. That's not my area. 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It's been fun being here. 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Do you see a conflict in rights of the parent and the welfare of the child? I'm thinking a woman might that was five years old and it wasn't a father. And a child might think that it was a father. I mean, would be a conflict there.\r\n\r\n- There can be a conflict and interestingly enough, the question that you're putting to me has been addressed a couple of times by the Iowa Court. Where the mother didn't want the father involved with the child. They weren't married and I think she probably didn't like the father and she was concerned about the father visiting the child. In the two cases that reached the Iowa Courts, they reached the Iowa Courts because the mother was not able to support the child herself and she had to receive public assistance. And in both cases, Child Support Recovery became involved because of course the state is helping her support the child and the father had resources to help support the child. And in that situation, the court said the mother doesn't have the right to keep her child from support from the father. And in neither case, was there any evidence cause that was the right to support. I don't think the issue, the issue of visitation may have been addressed in one of the cases and the father was not a bad man and there was no showing that visitation would be harmful to the child. Of course, the visitation were, the father could still be ordered to pay child support and wouldn't necessarily be given the right of visitation. The courts do not allow parents to make agreements where their children, even in a divorcing situation, if my husband and I were getting divorced and I said I was going to have custody of the children and I didn't have any money and I just wanted to get rid of him and I said I don't want any child support from you and he had the ability to pay child support, the court would not approve our agreement. Now, if I had money and could actually take care of the children, then they probably would. But the right for those children to go against him would always be available. The child's rights are primary. And although, you know, parents have some rights to . Where parents are not making the judgment calls, the courts can have the responsibility to step in and protect the rights of children.\r\n\r\n- I think on that. When you say that this is an overall case from the idea that the father owns the family or the father owns the court of ownership, the father might now to the rest the conflict of ownership?\r\n\r\n- I think it's gone. Because I mean neither parent has any superior right to the children or the family. Or neither parent is in a superior position. There were some sections in the Iowa Code where fathers were given certain rights and mothers were not and vice versa. And a couple of years ago when they went through and sort of dissects the Iowa Code, those changes were made. And basically, you know, the United States Supreme Court Did I answer that? has said in several cases that both parents sort of have equal rights to children in the family. Did I answer that?\r\n\r\n- No. You did you answer what I kind of was this idea that parents own their children. Is whether you're talking about the father and mother with the idea that the parent don't take the parent's rights leads to the child's rights sort of displacing that whole idea. I mean maybe the courts will decide that neither the mother nor the father would .\r\n\r\n- That's a good question because that's sort of the way it used to be. The kids were raised and they had to work on the farm and all that kinds of things. At least in principle, the best interests of the children are supposed to be superior to anybody's rights to those children. I mean, if neither parent is able to take care of them or doesn't do a good job, the rights of the children are superior. The problem is that children are not very vocal, obviously. And it has been recognized that even though we give a lot of lip service to the best interest of the child, sometimes it's the mother and the father that are calling their lawyers. Are calling the judges. They're making a big lot of noise. And so their wheels get oiled, so to speak. But I think at least, and Iowa Courts are aware of this and they are attempting to implement a program of child advocacy so that there can be some people who basically will be advocates for the children.\r\n\r\n- Do you see this as a long term trend away from the idea in a family individual rights?\r\n\r\n- Well, I don't know. And I think that there are some problems. You know. I guess you might do a better job of raising my child than I do. You know. You might have more money. You might have better education. You might just be simply a better person. But I'm going to do an okay job of raising my child. And I think that the fact that if we're going to do an all right job of raising our child and we're not going to physically hurt them or abuse them and we're going to give them certain opportunities, I think it's, you know, there's that constitutional right to be able to raise one's own child. Of course, when the state intervenes, then, you know, where is it a situation of just doing a better job of raising the child, or is it a situation that the child needs a state intervention in order to survive? And of course, the unfortunate thing that happens is that most of the time, the state intervenes between parents and children. We are dealing with parents of lower social economic status. And, you know, their houses aren't always as clean because they don't, they may not have appliances, the help. They may live in substandard housing. And so, and of course the people that are going in are college educated and they sometimes have a different standard than the parents do. And there's a real conflict there as to when we're just going to do a better job when you know a child actually is in danger of being harmed if he stays in the parent's environment. I guess that, you know, I personally feel that people, well, I don't know. It's a struggle. And I think it will be a continual struggle as society becomes more involved in these areas. Did I answer your question yet?\r\n\r\n- You kind of I think.\r\n\r\n- . Yes.\r\n\r\n- reconcile years ago. What's going on now .\r\n\r\n- Well, of course, I guess currently, you know, there is the United States Supreme Court case on the issue, which of course is controlled. And I am not aware of any changes legislatively that are being made. But of course as we are all are aware, there was some question when chairs were being filled on the United States Supreme Court that maybe the issue of abortion was something that we might see the Supreme Court change in their position on. But I'm not aware of anything at least on the, you know, in Iowa that has really become rolling probably with that issue. Anything else? Was there a question? Oh, here. Here.\r\n\r\n- indication that the . I work with the . You know. . He wanted to ask a question. Is this right the question was answered. Is this the right .\r\n\r\n- Well, this was a particular movie that I've seen. It was something that was put out, I think by the Kennedy Center. And it apparently was based on a true story that had happened in a hospital in the East. Where the child did not have the surgery and died. I asked, is it right? And I guess I answered that particular question easily. No, it's not right because the, you know. I guess to me anyway, the surgery was fairly easy to do and the child had the right to alive. But I said, I think the question becomes more difficult when we're dealing with children that have much greater handicaps and the surgery necessary, or the treatment necessary to keep them alive may be more extensive. May be more painful. May be... And the child, you know, never, maybe even with all of these kinds of things, the child may never be anything but a vegetable. I guess what I said is, I don't think that question is answered, it seems like.\r\n\r\n- If he's the exciting machine, how do you ?\r\n\r\n- You mean...\r\n\r\n- . Was there any challenge ?\r\n\r\n- Well, there have been a couple of situations. In fact, I think the last situation that I talked about I believe was challenged. And I can't remember whether it was New Jersey. It seems like New Jersey or New Jersey seems to get a lot of these things for some reason or another. And I think in that particular case, the State's attorney came in and they asked that a guardian ad lite be appointed for the child. And I think ultimately in that case, I could be wrong. The parents were allowed to make the decision. You know, it's a little bit like the other problems that the courts face about the right of you as an individual and me as an individual to die and who makes the decision as to whether or not heroic management should be used to save our life when it comes to the situation where it's pretty probable that we won't live. Or if we do, we will live in a vegetation state where, I mean, without, you know, any facilities or without any ability to function as an effective person. Yeah. Term. And you know, is it the state that should be making that decision or, you know. With you and I, we can basically give directions now to people that will be there should we be in that situation. But of course the child that's born never has the opportunity for any input into whether or not he or she wants to exist, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, to. And at some point, most of those problems fall on the court's lap. Anything else? Yeah.\r\n\r\n- the court trying to .\r\n\r\n- . Right.\r\n\r\n- one of my question is, except part of the question you said made me think that you weren't sure that her .\r\n\r\n- Were valid?\r\n\r\n- Yes. Part of that. And remember what I'm saying ought to be done along with regular assets. And like I for assets assets. It's probably to support. I mean, if you divide the assets, they're still there probably to support.\r\n\r\n- Well, I guess when I said the assets, I probably thought also of support. I don't know. I read her book. I guess, after having practiced law for what? About, a lot has changed in 1970. About seven or eight years under the old fault concept. I don't personally believe that society is going to get anywhere by getting all this stuff back into the courtroom. And I guess I feel we have enough battle fields that exist already that I... I don't think that faults should be involved. So, I did agree with lite. But no, there there was some, and I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear enough there. Basically were some very good things that came out of her book directed to the problem that women and children do have following the divorce. And...\r\n\r\n- the question directly. I think you provided . I think, personal experience. we are seeing women who are trying to together experience to marriage. the adopt based out of personal experience. I mean, and they protected the income of their husbands that they get. And they're they are five years old. Oh, well, but what to do? I mean, to do this. But they weren't . .\r\n\r\n- Well, now, I'm going to disagree just a little bit. The unfortunate thing in a lot of disillusions is there just isn't any money period. I mean, people are in very serious economic straights. And I remember one time when I was practicing law, working with an older lawyer and this woman was saying, \"Well, I want these 10 things in the divorce.\" And she was his client and my client. And he looked at her and he said, \"But Joanne you wouldn't have gotten those things had you stayed married to him.\" You know. No one can pay everything they have or, and of course a lot of divorces that our court has been seeing in the past three or four years are our farm families who have been in very dire straits and it's, there probably isn't anything. I do however agree with you that there are instances where women are not being treated fairly. And I do think in some situations that we're not giving the concern that we, that, no. We're not, people are not doing a good job of really waiting what being out of the job market for five or 10 or 15 or 25 years has done to these people. We divide the property and we award alimony. One of the big areas where the non-working spouse, and I say non-working spouse because I think in a few years, we're going to see some, you know. Men can get alimony too in Iowa. And I think in a few years, we're going to see some men who let their wives have the primary career. And maybe when that happens, this whole thing of, I don't know it will all be fair. But the social security and pension benefits that those people have lost, that there's just no way that they can regain. I think sometimes consideration isn't being given to these things. And I've talked to our lawyers about this. I've talked to our judges about this. And I think lots of times it's the failure of the person who's getting the divorce to show the court what these things are.\r\n\r\n- . I think a lot of jobs. the line loneliness, the fact so many . You know. Your whole life is meant to be . And your alimony will be . Those conditions they happen. And I .\r\n\r\n- Well, I think I better not comment because I . I might be not. It may be. I think, however, if you would look at, I would only say this. If you would look at some of the reported Iowa cases, you know. The ones that have been appealed. That are in the Northwestern report on this particular issue. I would be surprised if you would find any cases that would parallel the facts that you've just given me. But, yes.\r\n\r\n- What is the proportion of divorce in Iowa ? there.\r\n\r\n- Pardon. What's the proportion of Iowa judges that are divorced?\r\n\r\n- .\r\n\r\n- I don't know if there are any statistics addressing that issue. I do know some Iowa judges that are divorced. . I don't know. Obviously, you know, if someone wanted to pursue that, they certainly would have the right to do so. And you know, a judge's life is sort of public record. So I guess like, I don't know.\r\n\r\n- We do have time for one more.\r\n\r\n- Okay. One more. Yes.\r\n\r\n- come here . They are really, really, really common . Because they are . But . You can't get a job. the kids. Because with a judge, .\r\n\r\n- Well, The Iowa Courts aren't very kind to men who want to stay home with mom and not pay child support. And the issue of paying child support is becoming, you know, bigger. Iowa has Child Support Recovery offices that work on this area. I guess that's about all I can say cause I'm not that familiar with the, somebody has a comment on that.\r\n\r\n- I do. court, they have . There's no money coming from the father that the judge has awarded for the kids. Versus . That they are that they, that . school.\r\n\r\n- Well, that doesn't have anything to do with the divorce courts. That has to do with all this Student Aid situation. Right? I don't. That's not my area. . I know. Definitely not my area. I mean, I'm not trying to beg the question, but although one quick thing to say is that the Iowa Code does provide is one of the factors that the court should consider in awarding support to either the husband or wife after marriage. And as I say, husbands can get it too. They don't. There's only one case in Iowa where a man has gotten alimony. Is the fact that, that person needs some additional education. And if that person will set forth what additional education they need and how much it's going to cost. And if there is an ability on the part of the husband to pay it, then there certainly are cases where the courts have ordered him, generally him to to make the payment over a period of time. When I, I've finished with this one thing about divorces. And when I used to practice law and I represented a lot of people in divorces. And when they came into my office, I used to say to them, \"I'm going to guarantee you one thing. And that is you're going to lose this case.\" And they'd sort of look at me with this look in their eye like, I'm not sure I want you. You know, when people are married, they have a pie. And they both think they own the whole pie cause it's their pie. And when there is a divorce or dissolution, that pie has to be sectioned and the pieces have to be apportioned out. And so nobody ends up with the whole pie. And I do think that the courts in Iowa are more aware of the need for more children have additional support. This is, has, is certainly has been addressed and is being addressed with support guidelines and that type of thing. But everybody, there aren't very many people that come out of divorces everything that they want. Thank you. It's been fun being here. .\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much. There are refreshments in the back. So if you have further questions, I'm sure she'd be happy to answer them for you on an individual basis. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43406/file/116299#t=0.0,1492.9502"}]}]}]}