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Okay, I think we'll be starting in a minute. If everybody could have their seat. My name is Jim Dugard and I'm with the Committee on Lectures, and with the other sponsoring groups, which are the ISU collective of the Iowa Socialist Party and the Aims Peace Network. We're very happy that all of you could come out tonight in the cold and listen to our two speakers this evening. Our speakers are known as the Sperry Software Pair. They are Barb Katt and John Reforge. Both of them are graduates of Bemidji University in Bemidji, Minnesota. They laugh about it They have experience in the peace movement, environmental movement for a number of years, I've known them through activities in the peace movement around us, strategic air command base in Omaha. They also have been very active in community and social concerns. John was a Vista volunteer, Barb worked with mentally handicapped. They also have made a commitment to civil disobedience over the years and have participated in numerous civil disobedience actions. And that's what they're gonna address tonight and particularly one action that they recently completed. So with that, I'd like to introduce you to John and Barb.\r\n\r\n- Hello. On August 10th, John and I walked into the Sperry building in the St. Paul suburb of Eagan, Minnesota, and destroyed nuclear war-making equipment with hammers and our own blood. There's some pictures here of the equipment that we destroyed and we'll pass them around the audience while we're talking. The equipment we destroyed were prototype computers, that is, they were experimental models of those vital controllers of all nuclear weapon systems. The UYK-43 power source was a part of a shipboard computer that, had it been completed, would have been two feet by two feet and six feet tall. It's a newer model of UIKs, which are already in ships and it was due for final placement in Trident in 1987. It's the next generation navigation and guidance system for the Trident. The wild weasel attack signal processor, chassis drawer, they call it a WASP, was destined for an F4 fighter plane. The F4 family of fighter planes are nuclear capable, and they would be used to escort B52s. Unhindered, we were able to cause $33,000 worth of damage in a matter of minutes. For damaging these nuclear weapons components, we were charged in federal court with felonies and faced 10 years imprisonment. We were convicted by a 12 person jury and on November 8th we were sentenced by US district judge Miles Lord. In an exception to the norm followed by most courts in this country, Judge Lord gave us suspended sentences and issued a statement calling the proposed use of nuclear weapons \"national suicide\". As strong as that is, I wish he had called it murder because I will have no hand in my own death through the use of nuclear weapons. John and I live in rural Minnesota, and we'd been planning this action for about a year. Each of us had previously served months long jail terms, and we'd been already familiar with the concerns that family and friends had about the destruction of property, and our quote unquote \"misguided potentials\" through acts of civil disobedience. And yet we found what continues to move us is the joy that geysers up after such acts of civil disobedience. The relief, the feeling of having done something, the sense of immobility and fear in the face of nuclear weapons overcome the tears and the laughter that, left unused, dry up in us. An act of civil disobedience, for us, is an act of conscience, and it's a life-giving act. There've been a dozen disarmament actions in this country since 1980. The first one was in the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, at the general electric plant. The most recent one was that a missile silo outside of Kansas city, Missouri. Civil disobedience that destroys nuclear weapons components, have been called Plowshares actions, calling on the biblical mandate. Excuse me. The prophetic colonizer to beat swords into plowshares. The symbols used, the blood and the hammers, are emotional and controversial. The hammers are used to literally enact the disarmament and to call to attention the urgency for conversion for more production to products that enhance life. The blood symbolizes the Holocaust that nuclear weapons will inflict, as well as the murderous costs they presently impose on the poor. Blood speaks too of human unity. We all bleed when we're cut, and have the willingness to give life rather than take life. In contrast, with the other actions out East, we did not call expert witnesses to our trial. We were a small group and we acted in the Midwest. We also chose not to invoke a specifically Christian basis for our action, choosing instead to portray ourselves as a part of the non-violent tradition of Thoreau, Gandhi and Martin Luther King. We use the Christian symbols of hammers and blood to show our connection with Plowshares actions everywhere. John is going to talk a little bit about international law and the law of justification as it relates to defenses of acts of civil disobedience. And then I would like to talk some more about property and effectiveness.\r\n\r\n- Excuse me. Once in court, the plowshares, or disarmament activists, around the country have generally relied on international law, especially the Nuremberg principles and the threat of nuclear war to build a defense of justification or necessity. Such a defense is recognized in legal systems everywhere, sometimes referred to as a lesser evil defense, or competing harms. It allows, for example, a firefighter to break and enter a burning building in order to save lives. It allows for the deflection or destruction of a gun if it be pointed at one's head. That is, the destruction of property is sometimes justified in order to prevent a greater harm. As regards to nuclear and other indiscriminate weapons and their production, professor of international law at Princeton, Richard Falk, has written \"The most important positive contribution of Nuremberg \"may have been to give citizens in argument \"to interpose between themselves \"and the criminal conduct of their government\". This has been our position, with respect to our disarmament action at Sperry, namely that not only the billing and threatened use of these hideous weapons is itself useless, and illegal, but that mere possession of these weapons constitutes state criminality, lawlessness long forbidden by international legal principles. The courts have decided that in order to prove the validity of justification or a defense of necessity, the defendant must establish the existence of five essential elements at the time of the supposed crime. These five elements include one, the threat that the threat be imminent, two, that the threat involves danger of bodily harm. Three, that alternatives to the action have been exhausted. Four, that some success could presumably come of the act, and five that the threat itself is against the law. I won't belabor the obvious imminence of nuclear war or its real threat of bodily harm, suffice it to quote directly from what Miles Lord told us during the course of our trial, he said, quote, \"The imminence of nuclear war is always with us. \"We may not get out of this courtroom today. \"I don't need any arguments about imminence\". That's the end of the quote. He saved us a little bit of trouble there. And if there seems to be a question about the possible alternatives to our dramatic and direct move against nuclear war fighting tools, I suggest that the alternatives have all failed dismally. 6,000 arms control negotiations or talks have occurred since World War II, none of which have unbuilt a single weapon. Arms limitation agreements have always been guaranteed or agreed to in exchange for the promised development of new weapons. Indeed, ceilings have become floors in these agreements, and arms race has achieved and continues to accelerate at a pace unequal than human history. The Chinese warn, in their wisdom, if we do not change our direction, we're likely to end up where we're headed. Now, the possibility of success, the fourth element in the justification defense, and an action such as ours, would hopefully be considered in a broad context. With regard to our specific action, we did achieve a limited success in that the company admitted the same day of the action that we had postponed by months the delivery of those prototypes. But in a broader sense, the Pennsylvania Superior Court, or the supreme court of the state of Pennsylvania, has spoken to the possible ethical or social successfulness of such symbolic civil disobedience in overturning the conviction of the Plowshares Eight, actually mentioned by Barb, and the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, Judge J Spaeth wrote the following. \"Their belief was that their action in combination with the \"actions of others might accelerate a political process, \"ultimately leading to the abandonment of nuclear missiles\". And after listening to the judgment of Miles Lord in our case, I believe there is reason and hoping for such success. The fifth element in our case against Sperry and the bomb, indeed against the government itself, is that mere position of, and the threatened use of nuclear weapons is itself illegal. This position is founded on well-known but little respected international law, especially the Nuremberg principles, which the US helped establish and even enforce with the penalty of death. The first and most important principle of the Nuremberg tribunals judgment was that private individuals, as well as military and political leaders, are individually responsible for the commission of war crimes, even prior to war. And that recourse to superior orders is no defense. The tribunal judgment in trying German industrialists says plainly, \"International law as such binds every citizen, \"just as does ordinary municipal law. \"Acts a judged criminal, \"when done by an officer of the government \"or a criminal one done by a private individual\". End quote. Civilian responsibility for war crimes was also addressed in the tribunals Zyklon B case, in which civilians were charged with supplying the poison gas Zyklon B for use in death camps. The defendants at the time argued the poison gas had beneficial as well as harmful uses, and that they ultimately were unaware of the government's intended use. This defense is unavailable to builders of nuclear arms and their delivery systems. But at that time, civilian liability for criminal complicity was made explicit. The court said \"The laws and customs of war are aggressed to \"anyone who is in a position to assist in their violation. \"The activities with which the accused were charged \"or commercial transactions \"conducted by civilians \"and any civilian who is an accessory to a \"violation of the laws and customs of war \"is him or herself also liable as a war criminal\". Along with exacting civilian accountability for the commission of wartime atrocities, Nuremberg, as I mentioned, also outlawed individual pre-war activities, namely quote, \"The planning and preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances\". End quote. No definitive treaty expressly bans the possession of nuclear weapons, but there is no disagreement that the effects of nuclear weapons are indistinguishable from the effects of outlawed weapons. In fact, treaties, agreements and insurances to which the US is bound, and which forbid such heinous and indiscriminate effects are numerous. The 1868 declaration of St. Petersburg expressly limits warfare to military forces alone. The 1925 Geneva gas protocol prohibits the use of poisonous or other gases, and of all analogous liquids, materials or devices. With such inclusive language as \"all analogous liquids, materials or devices\", the legal case against nuclear weapons seems closed. But in fact, more recently adopted international principles, more emphatically deny legitimacy to our weapons of annihilation. The language of these more recent treaties includes \"The promise by all the parties, \"including the United States, \"party to the non-proliferation treaty, for example, \"that they will seek the liquidation of nuclear weapons\". Now this is all that Barb and I, in fact did, along with about 40 other people. Practice the letter of the law as it's been written. To liquidate part of a delivery system for nuclear America's Zyklon B, if you will. Those of you with a biblical interest might recall the section from Romans chapter two verse 13 that says, \"not the heroes of the law shall be justified, \"but the doers of the law shall be justified before God\". Now a question remains and is debated as to the relationship of world law to the domestic laws of the land. But our constitution is absolutely clear on this point, article six, paragraph two, states that \"all treaties made under the \"authority of the United States \"shall be the Supreme law of the land. \"The judges in every state shall be bound thereby. \"Anything in the constitution of the laws of any state, \"to the contrary, not withstanding\". End quote. It is, regardless of state statutes respecting property, the planning and preparation of war crimes is forbidden even before the outbreak of hostilities. Of course, the planning and preparation of international radioactive warfare is carried out in the United States every day, as reported by Knight Ridder newspapers in January of this year, and this is a direct quote, \"Planning for world war four is \"well underway at the Pentagon. \"That war would begin once the superpowers hurled nearly all \"of their 50,000 nuclear weapons \"A Poseidon or Trident submarine, \"laden with ballistic missiles \"and hidden beneath the Arctic ice cap \"for the duration of world war three, \"would be the key combatant\". End quote. The report by Knight Ridder is about the defense department's official annual policy statement, known as the defense guidance. In it, the Pentagon also says, quote, \"Much research is for survivable, \"reconstitutable and secure communication links \"prior to, during and following \"global nuclear conflict\". End quote. The Sperry prototypes we had hoped to find and somehow came across, or just such items as secure communication links, according to company literature that we had studied prior to the action. The machines were being tested and designed to operate, and this is the company's words, \"in a wide temperature range \"and in a harsh radiation environment\". Perhaps such a device will help destroy us all, friend and enemy alike, unless we destroy it first. A launch on warning system, you'll remember, involves relinquishing war-making decisions to computers. Some people say of this situation that they're more afraid of an accidental nuclear war than of a war brought about intentionally, but these people deny responsibility for what's already been done. There's absolutely nothing accidental about planning, preparing, deploying, and then threatening a hair-trigger response made up of 30,000 nuclear warheads. The means for nuclear war have been built and deployed deliberately after paving the way with lies and denying to ourselves the real. Our military intentions are so frighteningly clear that we would rather forget about them. The US army manual boldly states, \"The US army must be prepared to fight and win \"when nuclear weapons are used\". And President Carter's directive, number 59, publicly codified our plans for what some have charged must be a counterforce or a first strike nuclear attack. The New York Times said in an opinion that the directive calls for, quote, \"actually fighting a limited prolonged \"nuclear war rather than simply relying on \"instantaneous retaliation to deter war\". End quote. Again, the distinguished international law expert, Richard Falk, has said of these pronouncements, \"Those who plan or endorse such strategic options \"seem to be in violation of the Nuremberg guidelines\". Ideally, Nuremberg law was created to prevent a repetition of the German Holocaust. Prevention of another Holocaust, one would hope, could be guaranteed by the creation of laws which would be agreed to and obeyed by the world community of nations. Nuremberg principles were adopted unanimously by the United Nations in 1945, but we must be realistic. Nuremberg, at the time of the tribunals, saw the crimes of the defeated solemnly judged, and the crimes and atrocities of the victors universally ignored. The blatant contradictions in the application of the law, reveal at Nuremberg that the trials were a process of assigning blame and guilt as a continued expression of wartime hatred. The allies condemned the axis for attacks on undefended towns, want and destruction of cities, and the devastation not justified by military necessity. Crimes of which the allies were obviously guilty also. In the words of John Schuchardt of the Plowshares Eight, \"Blinded by our self-righteousness, \"we have permitted something far worse than the gas chambers \"to be built in our own country\". US violation of international law is evident today in it's training and equipping deploying of mercenary armies throughout the world, especially in Latin America. But never was it more evident than during what Reagan has called our \"noble effort\" in Vietnam, where the US government waged the war of aggression and atrocity from 1964 to 1975, and was guilty of the systematic commission of war crimes on a massive scale. Those crimes included chemical warfare in that crops, food supplies and the environment, torture and execution of prisoners of war, mutilation of bodies as psychological warfare, bombing of civilian targets, search and destroy missions that involved the slaughter of innocent people. 2 million Vietnamese people died at our hands in Vietnam. 85 to 90% of them were civilians, and half of those were children under the age of 14. Again, Richard Falk has said of this situation in Vietnam, that \"the war displayed the capacity of our government \"to operate beyond the restraints of the law \"without provoking much of a negative reaction, \"except among the young\". And he said, \"moral decay is evident \"whenever a society loses belief in itself, \"to the extent of abandoning its own proudest traditions\". Judge Lord, in sentencing us, complained of the same danger. He asked, \"Have we so little faith in our system \"that we must, in order to protect ourselves \"from the spread of foreign ideologies, \"be prepared to die at our own hands?\" Judge Lord's statement, in our case, is a rare and welcome exception to the run of the mill in federal court where justification defense in similar cases is often disallowed. His direct references to the dual system of justice, one for the rich, one for the poor; one for the mighty and one for the meek, made me nod my head in amazement as I stood before him with Barb. I would here draw a parallel between the imposition of laws by the allies upon the axis, to the dual system of justice in our own country. Having spent nearly seven months in federal prisons, county and city jails around the Midwest, I know of what the judge spoke on November 8th. I found in those jails that prisoners were the scapegoats of our society, guilty of crimes that we all commit regularly, except that these were the youngest, the weakest, the least educated, the most exploited and vulnerable. In short, these were the least able to use the system to their advantage. In fact, while presidents can set fire to the whole of the earth's surface, these men were jailed as threats to society, possibly for having on their possession an ounce of marijuana or a concealed knife. The crimes of these men, I learned, were 90% against property. And so to teach them justice, society stole their freedom, broke their family ties, humiliated and stigmatized them, and enforced sub-human living conditions in an environment of fear, distrust and violence. Historian Howard Zinn has written of the justice system and how the economics of the United States affects it. In his US, whereas people's history of the United States, he writes that \"In 1969 there were 502 convictions for tax fraud. \"Now of those convictions, \"20% went to jail \"and the fraud averaged $190,000\". These are obviously crimes of the very rich. The average sentence was seven months. That same year, for burglary and auto theft, not crimes of the rich hardly, 60% of those convicted went to jail. This, although the auto thefts averaged $922, the average sentence was 17 months for auto theft. The burglaries averaged $322, sentences averaged 33 months. So Judge Lord's words are a needed burst of honesty. The text of his sentencing statement is in the Northern Sun newspaper, you can pick up on the way out. The federal system is generally buried under the weight of national security, executive privilege, total secrecy, and almost a complete lack of accountability. But ultimately, even judge Lord was unable or unwilling to go to the heart of our civil insubordination. To my mind, the most serious lesson during the trial was the judge's decision in chambers, not to instruct the jury as to the relevancy of article six, paragraph two of the United States constitution, the jury was not appraised of the relevancy of the US constitution, and had only our word as suspected felons, that international law supersedes domestic law. By denying or ignoring the applicability of article six, the courts, in our case, and in other similar cases, have become the King pin in an elaborate scheme that hypocritically guards illegal weapons, and ensures the immunity of corporate war criminals. Sperry's electronic warfare plant has not been shut down. In fact, it's 1984 annual report says the company is, quote, \"well-established in the electronic warfare business\" End quote. The judge told us simply, \"I have to do what the other \"judges in the country are doing\". And so as usual, destroying nuclear weapons is illegal in this place, against the law. But I am for living, therefore will never pretend to obey such a law. Obeying such a law today, while we head directly for nuclear war, is a form of chronic suicide. Obeying such a law means respecting property before human beings, respecting anti-property, if you will, before the natural world. It means respecting the continued enlargement of a stockpile of high level radioactive waste from bombs that now exceeds 290,000 cubic meters. This while no safe means for its isolation has yet been discovered. Undue respect for property and the law will ensure not only that soldiers will continue their marching at the orders of presidents as Thoreau War 150 years ago. But nowadays, that we may all succumb to a global cancer plague, rot of war preparations, even before the bombs go off. The protection of certain property is ultimately not our in our own best interests. Daniel Berrigan, the poet author, and civil disobedient member of the Plowshares Eight, has said of the impropriety of nuclear weapons, what I would leave you with tonight, he wrote, \"We surround ourselves with property \"that speaks of ourselves, \"as extensions of ourselves, \"the pushing of an ultimate weapon as property \"exempt from human approach and challenge \"will not be accepted by our people\". We were obedient to international law. The planners of the end of the world are the disobedient.\r\n\r\n- What do we say to those who are presently dying for more impoverty? Half of each tax dollar in this country goes to war business. I say, that to say to those people \"I care about you\", means to take suffering seriously and personally. Growing up, I had been led to believe that money and possessions would ensure me a life of happiness and peace of mind. That was before I knew about nuclear weapons and knew that it could all be gone like that. By the time I reached high school, I was aware that the resource use on the globe was unequal and that I was only staying afloat by standing on the back of someone else who was drowning in poverty. So making money and spending it foolishly became meaningless. Therefore, my idea of possessions and property, that is what it is proper for me to own, changed over the course of my life. And when I learned about nuclear weapons, their destructive capabilities and the hardship they rained down on us all, now there was no impulse in me to consider them property. They existed, they were controlled by agents of the government, they're paid for by taxpayers, and therefore they're partly my responsibility, but there is nothing proper about them. They are anti-property. And yet, the first time that I was confronted with the possibility of acting in response to the arms race by symbolically altering or destroying something that I knew belonged to the government, I found that the roots of my respect for property went deeper than I thought. That was in 1980, when a group of people went to the SAC base in Omaha, Nebraska, and there, they were going to change a sign that said \"peace is our possession\" to read a truth. They were gonna change it to read \"war is our profession\". At that time, I believed, as I believe now, that first of all, we have a debt of truthfulness to one another, and that those of us who can see through the myth of deterrence and national security owe it to each other to speak out about it. The integrity of the peace movement as an alternative to that lying slogan seemed clear in such a simple, straightforward act. And yet I could not bring myself to paint that sign and splash blood on it. The government eventually gave six month sentences to those people who did that action. And I was in jail for another action at the same time, and writing to people who are in jail for having painted the sign. And so during that time, I had to consider my values about property. And I found that yes, a certain amount of identification with material things is inevitable. But I had to change. Because to not confront a lie, which had as its base, the willingness to destroy all life and all things, out of a respect for things, seemed plainly twisted. The bomb is not a sacred object and neither are the fences, signs and concrete slabs that now surround it. Only the people working at those places are sacred, and peaceful people who I knew who confronted those objects in a truthful, non-violent way were put in jail. And I know what jail is like, and that's not justice in any way. So in 1982, when the Sperry corporation came to Bemidji State University, it seemed right in my mind to confront their recruiting efforts with pouring blood on their recruiting papers. We had a dye in there as well, and were arrested. And when we went to court, the charges were read and one of them was criminal damage to property. I felt at that time, I'd been able to, as judge Lord put it in his statement, \"remove the halo and place thereon the shroud, \"the shroud of death that surrounds property that can kill\". The latest action at the Sperry plant has been referred to by some people in the media as an act of violence, because we used hammers. John and I hold the Gandhian view of violence. That is, that violence is the intentional injury of another person, for whatever reason. No person was threatened with injury in any way by our action. To call the destruction of something which can destroy the whole world \"violent\" seems to me to be an over identification with materialistic values. The letters to the editor warn that actions such as ours lead to chaos and anarchy. They compare our action to the bombing of an abortion clinic. The prosecuting attorney, in his closing argument to the jury, asked, \"What if we had a nation of people \"making policy with hammers?\" Well, we believe that the use of Martin Luther King's four steps in a non-violent campaign, that is, investigation to determine if injustice exists, negotiation, self purification, and direct action, in combination with international law, the laws of God, and the laws of humanity, will lead to actions which can only enhance the social order. If nuclear disarmament is to become a reality in our time, it will not happen merely by political directives or judicial decrees. It will occur because people want peace with such passion that risks are greatly accepted, gladly accepted, and responsibility is taken for such actions. The process of resisting the nuclear peril is to resist in such a way that our whole lives become a means of transforming and healing. Even at that, all our efforts and actions combined can only be seen as symbolic. The mechanism which is at work is so vast that our combined efforts are scarcely more than an irritant. I would like to quote Judge Lord's statement once again, he said, quote, \"The inexorable pressure \"which generates from those who are engaged in making a \"living and a profit from building military equipment \"and the pork barreling that goes on \"in the halls of Congress to \"obtain more such contracts for the individual state \"will in the ultimate consume itself in an atomic Holocaust. \"These same forces exert pressure \"upon a judge in my position to go along with \"the theory that there's something sacred about a bomb \"and that those who raise their voices \"or their hands against it \"should be struck down as enemies of the people, \"no matter that in their hearts, \"they feel and know that they are friends of the people\". Most people admit to the possibility of a nuclear war, but the belief that disarmament can happen is almost unheard of. And we have very little cause to think that it can. 6,000 disarmament talks and not a single weapon disarmed. And personally, we can only see small effects from our own efforts. And we live in a world that is cause and effect, we're tied to it. John and I were nearly unable to overcome our fear of failure in our disarmament act. We might not make it in the door, we might not find the nuclear weapons components, we might make it in and find them and be portrayed as cooks by the media. We might never have truly believed that it was possible to succeed, only that it was right to try, that the attempt was and still is universally correct. As John said in his pre-sentence statement to the judge, \"And so the rightness, \"the correctness and the justification \"swept us into Sperry's Dachau\". And there, after letting go of the hammers and the baby bottles, we were allowed an experience rare in one's lifetime. We were filled with the feeling of inner peace that Aristotle referred to simply as justice. Undoubtedly, the most obvious effect of our action has been on myself. I will never be the same. Neither will my family or he community of supporters who helped pull us through all the stressful times, or the community in which we acted, or Judge Lord, for that matter. A few days after our sentencing, John and I attended a gathering at the Minneapolis federal building to demonstrate to the Reagan administration that there are many people who do not want US intervention in Central America. There, we had the good fortune to be approached by a stranger who told us that he had worked for Sperry company and put his resignation in that week. He'd been uncomfortable at his job, but having no other, he had remained at it. And he said we helped him to make up his mind. And perhaps that is what we can offer each other as this madness proceeds unchecked. The will to survive, a step taken, a freedom grasped, a moral change for every effect we are graced to see, we can hope for a handful more that we will never see. So we all do what we do, and then we step out of the way so that the truth can come through. What direction it takes then, and what it means to others is in other's hands. Now we'd like to answer some questions if there are some.\r\n\r\n- I don't understand what you meant when you were talking . But I didn't understand how immunity from international law I understand that the constitution is the law of the land\r\n\r\n- John, you need to repeat the question.\r\n\r\n- Do you understand my question?\r\n\r\n- Your question was how article six refers to international law? The article says \"all treaties agreed to by the authority of \"the United States shall be the Supreme law of the land\". You missed the first part of the sentence, perhaps, okay.\r\n\r\n- How was it that you got Judge Lord?\r\n\r\n- The question was, how was it that we happened to get federal district judge Miles Lord. I think the answers about the same as to the question \"How did you get in there?\" Because his name was drawn by lot.\r\n\r\n- Is the justice department objecting to the suspended sentence in a way, are they going off this?\r\n\r\n- Well, at this point, there is no, they have no recourse. They can't question the judges sentence. There are pre-trial papers or post-trial, post-sentencing, actually, papers that are still in process. So it's possible that we could, because the federal government may not have had jurisdiction to prosecute in the first place, be re-indicted and retried. But as far as questioning his sentence, they have no recourse at this point.\r\n\r\n- If you have a suspended sentence, right, that means that within the year after, or however long it is, you cannot break the law or you will automatically go back to jail, is that correct? Do you plan, during that period, to do civil disobedience again?\r\n\r\n- Repeat the question. 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Because I believe that, um, beliefs not acted upon are worth very little. And so after I experienced the first, um, civil disobedience and had a chance to understand what it meant to, to take my whole body, my whole life, and control of my body and my life, and give it to something that I believed in. I, I realized that it was the most powerful way that personally I could confront the arms race. Um, I'm here talking to you, I believe there's a lot of other things that people can do and, and we will need all of them. As far as effectiveness, I've seen a large change in people that know me, and those people are now doing what they can. And so I, I think that in conjunction with the acts of others, it uh, adds, it's an effective mechanism. You have something to say?\r\n\r\n- It could be that the effects of, uh, individual acts, such as ours, is not quantifiable, um, right away after the action of circuit court of appeals. A judge, who happens to be a friend of my family's wrote that, uh, he was terribly afraid for me personally, and for the negative reaction that would come of the disarmament we enacted. But, I suggest that the negative reaction can't be weighed or quantified any more than the positive reaction, and if it could, that perhaps a positive would outweigh the negative not, not knowing for certain, but, uh, among the people who we relate to on a personal level, the, uh, the risk taken adds a human meaning and human form to the threat that we face on uh, to a degree that isn't possible with a petition or a letter writing campaign or a phone entry sort of thing. I don't mean to discourage those activities, I agree with Barb that in combination with the actions of others, this thing might have discernible effects. And, uh, on a theoretical level, I think Herbert Rita's spoken to the question of effectiveness. He wrote that an idea has to be formulated in material, or poetic, or artistic form before it can even be discussed. And so the idea, the conception we have out there, somewhere of what we call disarmament, is so universally unheard of in the real that we think it has value just in the fact that it occurred materially. It's of course quite a debatable point.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much, if there's no more questions.\r\n\r\n- Thank you, Barb and John. There's information in the back if people want it, and I'm sure John and Barb will be able to stay here and talk individually to you and answer any questions you have. And if you haven't seen the pictures maybe you could, uh, see those too before you leave. 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