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Thompson. Rick's parents, Larry and Marge Thompson from Kansas city are here with us this evening. Rick Thompson was born in Glens Falls, New York on April 19, 1949. He grew up in Kansas city and came to Ames to attend Iowa State University. While in Ames, Rick was clerk of the friends meeting. In 88 Richard Thompson Memorial lecture is F J Wilson. Joe is a senior at Iowa State University and an active member of the United Native American Student Association, the American Indian Rights Organization, and the American Indian Symposium Committee.\r\n\r\n- \"Fighting, we must, it's a struggle to live, \"to keep domestic harmony, \"to ensure social, political, economic security \"to maintain human integrity and dignity. \"We are faced constantly with small and large battles. \"Some we know our battles, some we are unsure about, \"but we struggle in every case. \"Only by fighting often fighting back, \"do we maintain a necessary vital life? \"This is our victory.\" Those inspired words were written by tonight's speaker for the 1988, Richard Thompson Memorial Lecture, Simon J Ortiz. They were in turn inspired by his mother, who I hear will be 85 years old on Monday. It is most appropriate that this artist is part of the 1988 symposium on the American Indian to speak of fighting of the struggle for identity and the struggle indeed to live. To speak as the title of his lecture tells us, on heroism in contemporary American Indian cultures. His presence here at Iowa State University is especially appropriate this year because special interest groups and progressive organizations, including a brand new group the American Indian Rights Organization or AIRO, have flourished under a progressive student government this year. People are struggling this year at ISU and good things are happening because of it, much in the same way that Richard Thompson struggled all those many years ago. Such struggles are nothing new for Mr. Ortiz as a journalist, teacher, baker's helper, clerk, soldier in the US army, college student, labor, public relations director and storyteller among other things, he has been struggling using his stories to influence change in a good way. He's been fighting the good fight and in the process he has become a hero, much like the people he writes about and the characters he creates. Born in Albuquerque, New Mexico on May 27th, 1941, Mr. Ortiz attended the Bureau of Indian Affairs School on the Acoma reservation. He subsequently attended Fort Lewis College in Durango, Colorado, the University of New Mexico and the University of Iowa, our competition in 1968 '69, where he served as a fellow in the international writing program, and received a master's degree in writing. Mr. Ortiz has taught creative writing, American Indian history and literature at over half a dozen universities. He currently resides in Acoma New Mexico and is best known as the writer of poetry and fiction, a teacher at the college and university level and a storyteller. He has published over a dozen volumes of prose and poetry as well as poems and short stories in many journals and anthologies. The theme for Iowa State University's 1988 symposium on the American Indian was inspired by the following words of Simon Ortiz. \"Indeed like the basic idea of Prometheus, \"we are bound by our common humanity. \"Our struggle for human love and compassion and faith, \"all composited under spirituality relating to the godly \"and all life and native American belief is heroic. \"And we have stories to prove it. \"And our proof is in the telling \"and the telling is the struggle.\" It is a great pleasure to introduce a man who has something to teach us all, a true fighter and a contemporary hero, Simon J Ortiz.\r\n\r\n- Thank you for the very warm welcome to all the people who are here. And thank you for the very gracious words that Joe spoke on my behalf, but also on your behalf because it represents what we must share if we are to know anything about each other. The common struggle with is ourselves. It is the truth. We have to share that struggle in order to live, in order to give something back to the earth, which is our mother. I want you to thank the opportunity that Richard Thompson gave us. His spirit, his ideals, and his dream that brings us together in some sharing that cannot be wasted nor regarded as vain. Richard Thompson believed in a world that would be fair, just, democratic, and shared. A dream that we all must pursue in our common struggle. Indeed, he was a hero. Indeed, we have to believe in the symbol of his life's experience. And the only way we can really truly believe that is to share in our ordinary, sometimes dull and mediocre lives what he also believed. Tonight I feel very welcomed to be with you here. And I want to thank you also. I come from Aco. Acoma Pueblo, a small community in New Mexico. The heroes there are like the people that you know yourselves. Farmers, laborers, potters, artists, tribal governmental leaders, sometimes waste drills, sometimes clever people who get themselves in too much trouble. People who are real like Jami. Jami, known by his American name is Wilford or Eagle. Eagle, came out of the Korean war in 1953, kind of lost, kind of angry, kind of like he didn't know what he was going to do. It was just about eight months out of Korea. He decided to go to Cabinet school. Get some education maybe get married, maybe buy a truck. A young man about 21, Jami. He was my cousin, Wilford. Well, I remember I was in the third grade when two years before that, when he went to Korea. I remember my father and my mother walking him up to the highway to take him to war. The Greyhound bus come whining roaring over the Hill, like chief Rancho. And we stood at the edge of the world as it was by McCarty's watching that bus come towards us taking Wilford off to war. He had a brand new shirt which one of my aunts had just made him, and a pump tamale under his arm, some cookies. And my mother hugged him, and my father gave him blessings for what a young man should know going away from Aco. The bus stopped, spit gravel and left. And I remember being in the third grade watching the headlights, a tail lights of that Greyhound bus as it disappeared around the curve by leaving to San Diego Camp Pendleton, Korea. I remember that awful winter in 1952 and seeing the pictures of Ethiopian soldiers frozing into the snowy reservoir ground of the Chosin. After the war, Jami came home. He wandered around. Once in a while, he would disappear. Once in a while, we would hear he was in jail. Once in a while. Later on, he was appointed Sheriff, Picardi. of the tribe. Later on, he owned a gas station. It was right across the bar from the Black Bull Tavern in San Fidel. When people would drive up to that gas station they would see the sign, \"How by Indians\" Big sign with a white background, orange letter saying, \"Welcome, How by Indians \"Welcome you all Indians\" People drive into that gas station and they would get $2 worth of gas. And people would say, \"You don't have to buy it from Chevron or Texaco or Conoco.\" People were proud. Jami did not own that gas station long. The Black Bull Tavern was right across the street. Few months later, I think I was just coming home from the army in 1966, someone found him up beside the ditch bank. It looked like his head was caved in. It was winter. And I remembered a third grade boy watching Eagle, Jami going off to war. The tail lights of the Greyhound bus going towards headed for Camp Pendleton. The third grade boy remembered the frozen soldiers that shows on. Nobody checked much about the death of Jami. On Indian Reservations then 20 years ago, the Indian Reservations as it is now, nobody checks much about Indian deaths due to violence, due to alcohol and drug abuse. But when people talk about Jami, they can see the highway going towards Camp Pendleton. They can see that highway going towards California. And when they spread their arms out, they can see that sign with a white background and large orange letters. It says, \"Welcome how Indians. \"Welcome all of you Indians.\" Jami, is a hero that we must realize is a hero for all of us. We don't know often how we are to stand for such people who are heroes, common every day, sometimes laughing, sometimes troublesome, sometimes it maybe maybe unnecessary, sometimes weird a bit, sometimes lost, but always important. What I mean is this, there was a young man who never survived 19. His name was A.G. I don't mean that A.G, but the A.G know who was a hero, important. We went to school together at McCarty's Day School and he would talk and made English sound just like Acoma. Of course, the teachers at McCarty's Day School did not appreciate that he made English sound just like Acoma. We went on to junior high school and he went on to middle school, junior high. He went to work in the mines, when he quit the school in the eighth grade. I remember driving by grandma's cafe in Milan, New Mexico where Indians do not go into. It was a cafe that was mostly filled with the miners from West Virginia, from Canada, Gulf oil workers from Texas and West Oklahoma and Indians did not go into that cafe. We knew we own that land. We knew that it was land that was surveyed so that it was claimed by the United States of America. A.G would talk about the strike in 1961. He never got beyond 18, 19. He would talk that Indians were just like other workers, important. And he said that when English that sounded just like Americano, it sounded just like Indian, it sounded just like oaky, it sounded just like black. That's what I mean, A.G was that kind of hero. Later he went down to Silver city and the copper strike down there. Somebody said after the accident that he was pushing a car or something and the state patrol came by and just found him lying by the side of the road. A.G, people remember as they spread their hands out wide they say \"He was somebody who always cared \"for the old people and the little children.\" The official state patrol report said it was an accident he was involved in. That's what they told the Indians. That's what they told the workers. But maybe it was that he was a hero. He was a hero who made English sound like Cajun. He made English sound like oaky. He made English sound like Spanish. He made English sound like Acoma. He made English sound like ourselves. Heroes are important because oftentimes we do not know what direction we are to go. The direction we have to go is within ourselves. The common struggle that we have, it's a common responsibility. Today, our government of the United States of America is involved as it has been since the Vietnamese war in trying to violate third world countries and trying to demean what resources they have. Our country needs heroes in the dearest and most precious way. There is a story that is told at Aco. There was a man named Masha Truly, a warrior, a great one obviously. He lived East of Aco and he was noted for his daring exploits. He was also noted for his prowess with women. He would go into neighboring villages and he would take the women. Well, one day somebody came along he took her and she was a beautiful lady, a yellow lady, yellow woman. He took her home. She cried. She begged to return home, but he said, \"No. \"I'm going to use you.\" And he did. He said to her, \"I have to go in the morning to the West \"to the coast \"and play with my friend who has the clouds over there. \"When I get back in the evening, \"I want this room of corn all ground up. \"If you don't have that corn all ground up \"by the time I get home, I will throw you off the cliff. \"I will kill you.\" Looked at the hill of corn in the room and she began to weep. It was an impossible job as a day, it's not very long. She ground and she ground, and she began to cry. \"Oh, I'm not going to be able to finish \"by the time my husband, Masha Truly gets home \"from the coast and he will kill me.\" As she was weeping, a woman came along and she wants the Spider Grandmother. And she asked, \"Why are you weeping, grandchild? And yellow woman said, \"I'm weeping because I have an impossible task. \"My husband is wanting me to grind this corn. \"If I don't, he will kill me.\" \"Don't worry, grandchild. The spider woman, old woman said to her, \"I will help you.\" And she went with her songs to bring the Turkey women and brought them. And they ground the corn. And it was finished by the time her husband, the Masha Truly came home. He went to bed after taking a look at the corn. And after saying not a word of gratitude for the job that had been accomplished, the next day he said to her, \"Okay, I want you to grind two of these rooms of red corn this time. \"By the time I get back, I want this corn to be ground.\" And he left. And yellow woman began to grind the corn, weeping as she went along. \"Poor me, I will never be able to finish \"this to room fullS of corn.\" Well, the spider woman came along. \"What is wrong grandchild?\" She asked. And the grandchild said, \"My husband told me to grind this corn, \"and I'm afraid that I will be killed \"as I will not finish this corn.\" \"Well, don't worry about it.\" The spider grandmother said. And she sang a song and brought the Turkey women and they helped and finished the grinding of the red corn. The women, I mean, the man, Masha Truly came home that evening and he was amazed. And he said, \"This woman must be some sort wizard, \"a which, I must test her.\" The next morning he says, \"I need to get for you to get some blue water \"from the blue Lake beyond the far North mountain. \"I will be back in the evening, \"if you don't have that blue water from that blue Lake \"from the far North mountains, \"I will kill you by dropping you off that cliff.\" He left. So though to herself, \"It's so far a journey across mountains, across deserts, \"across rivers, across \"the whole world. \"It's too far.\" And she began to walk. As her feet became sore, she had to stop and sat on a rock and then she began to cry. And the Spider Grandmother came along and said, \"Why are you crying child?\" And the child said, \"Because I'm going to get \"the blue water from the blue Lake \"at the far Northern mountains, \"and it is so far. \"If I don't get home by sundown, \"my husband will kill me.\" \"Don't worry, grandchild.\" Grandmother said. \"I will bring it to you. \"Close your eyes.\" And with her song and prayer she brought the Lake to her feet. And with her pottery bowl, got some off the blue water and went home. So it was in this way that was able to overcome the task that was set by an impossible person. The impossible person sometimes are those selves, that side of ourselves which demands and requires that we be unfair to the other person, yet the spider grandmother or the spiritual side of the earth is what we need. The spiritual side that goes to the far blue mountains that grinds the corn, when we need it to be ground. These are the heroes, this is the idea. I believe that we have to guide ourselves by. Oftentimes I think in these times and these epochs that we have, we do not depend upon ourselves and our consciousness of what we have within our family, our stories. The stories that we know oftentimes as hidden truths, oftentimes we belittle ourselves by gossip, by speaking upon and against each other without any real meaningfulness. We do not depend nor trust ourselves. There is a expression in the Acoma language, In the Acoma language which goes It has to do ultimately with trusting ourselves and bringing ourselves into being means corn. Coming into being. A ceremony is held from time to time and people are notified of this event by the phrase Corn people will come about. Like many Indian ceremonies, it's a social and spiritual event. During this event, there is song, there is prayer, there is meditation, there is eating, there is socializing and there is a general sharing of one's understanding, one's welcoming within somebody's house. Is an event of people dancing. By the very act, by the very participation of this ritual people come into being. People, the corn will come about. Ritual is so important to how we see ourselves and how we regard those people that are important to our lives. There was a man who used to be kind of a renegade, his name was Santiago Sandoval, Jimmy Sandoval. I was in the fifth grade when he died in a car wreck, about 1953, '54. He used to live over by where the waters come out from the South and the flood plains nourishes the corn fields, pumpkin's, beans and so forth. Jimmy Sandoval, after World War II, always wore his flight jacket. I remember every plane that flew over I would say, \"That's Jimmy Sandoval flying over.\" Jimmy Sandoval was a common hero. A symbol of time when I was young, A symbol of time when he represented something that was and something that also could be. Jimmy Sandoval also died in a car wreck. Heroes are oftentimes unknown in our lives. The symbols that we should guide and be inspired by are often unknown in our lives. Richard Thompson, a young man who believed in what he was doing on a very practical level, worked because he believed in the principle of a common struggle. Today, I often find myself a bit frustrated, angry, tired because there seems to be emalay, malady, whatever the term may be, where people may not be as inspired. Yet, I know that when we think about such persons as A.G, as Richard Thompson, as Eagle Jami, as Jimmy Sandoval, we should be encouraged, not only to follow their example, but be aware that each of us has to be responsible for the principle. The principle that we must give something back to the earth. That is the common struggle. The common struggle that can only be a responsible struggle on our behalf for the mother earth. The mother earth which gives us life. That's a story that I want to tell, because I think I told one of the people that invited me here that I would tell... Well, no, I told Robert that I would tell the story is called \"Names\" I think. There was, well, this story might as well be for my old friend, Mr, Wanati Don, who I'm very glad to see after 20 years. Names: One time an old man came to Disthiama where I grew up at, McCarty's. He was from Zuni. And his name was Sayo. No, he came and he came to the house of this man whose name was Sayo. Sayo was chopping wood outside of his house. And this man from Zuni said, \"How are you?\" And he Sayo said, \"I'm fine.\" I'm looking for my friend who lives in Adichona, which is village East of Disthiama. Well, Sayo said, Dichona is still quite a ways from here. Why don't you and your wife stay for the night and you can rest. And in the morning you can go to Dichona and find your friends. And so the man from Zuni Pueblo stayed for the night. And in the morning there were fed breakfast and giving presence and then they went away. But before they left, the Zuni man said, \" my father, \"What is your name again?\" And the old man said, \"My name is Sayo.\" And the Zuni man in his Zuni accent said, \"Sayo \"Sayo\" and he left. A few yards away he turned back, \"My father, can you say your name again to me?\" And so Sayo said, \"My name is Sayo, Sayo.\" And the Zuni man said, \"Sayo, Sayo. \"Thank you father, for telling me your name.\" And then he left. He turned to leave. A few yards away he turned again, \"My father, could you please one more time \"tell me your name so I can remember it?\" And Sayo said, \"My name is Sayo.\" And the Zuni man said in Zuni accent, \"Sayo, Sayo.\" And then they went on their way, the men and the wife. Years and years later, maybe 20 years. Along came a man and his wife. They had some children with them. They knocked on the door of this old man at Aco at Disthiama where I grew up. They said, \"Are you the man who fed us \"and have a sleep at your house one evening long time ago?\" \"Do you remember me, my dear father?\" My beloved father. And the old man who was blind by then said, \"Beloved son, I'm sorry, but I'm quite old now, \"but I don't remember you.\" And the man from Zuni said, \"But I remember you.\" These are my children. And he brought his children to him. This one is Sayo. This one follows in the footsteps of Sayo. This one is like Sayo in graciousness. And this one, he stepped aside and said, \"In this wife's stomach.\" And this one is the Sayo that will be. Heroes are known for their names, but they're known because you and I know them, within our families, within our clans, within our communities, within our leadership, within our institutions. like Sayo, we have to remember what those names mean. We cannot fail ourselves because it's important that we come about like, We bring ourselves into being and we can only bring ourselves into being by being conscious of each other. Whatever purpose that we have in life as cultural groups, as ethnic, or my minority organizations, as political community groups, we have to know that how we bring ourselves into being is through the real possibility of some kind of ritual such as oral literature, such as what we say, such as what we remember, such as how we know ourselves. Like Sayo coming about this tall, that tall and coming into being. I am a teacher and a writer, yet I know that without the dynamic process of a community that shares some identity with each other, I cannot be a writer nor will I be able to carry out what a writer is responsible for. The poets sometimes doesn't know any more than what he is offered. It is a spiritual road, I think that a poet has, but a spiritual road that has very concrete and material basis in what you also offer. The stories that I've shared with you tonight, come from what's my own community at Aco offer. They give you Wilfred, Jami. They give you Sayo. They give you me, but most important of all, they give you people who are very much like you. People like the young man, Mr. Thompson, who symbolized what he believed in offering himself as a road so that we can return to ourselves. Perhaps, that is the ultimate responsibility we have as American people to return ourselves back to the earth. The earth which we know as mother. Mother the earth. With these words, I share only a prayer. A pawn that has no other basis nor vision except what you give it. The poet says, \"I give you these words to see by \"in order to see me, in order to see me \"you have to see yourself.\" Thank you very much for letting me share this evening with you. 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