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They have they to get all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3693.13,3694.93"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of it funding and the younger one the Graduate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3694.93,3698.75"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"School of Architecture Tulane. 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It's not like they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3716.56,3719.56"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"don't have interesting interesting position yet it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3719.56,3722.15"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is. So yes. And it sounds like you and your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3722.15,3724.12"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"husband enjoyed Arkansas. We do. We do. We really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3724.12,3727.12"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"enjoyed being back. It's been fun. Me. 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And my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3730.21,3732.76"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"oldest grandson is the one who is an engineer who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3732.76,3735.64"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"graduated from Minnesota Polytechnic is now there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3735.85,3739.09"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as well. He took a job with one of the engineering","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3739.09,3741.07"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"firms in Little Rock. So far so. Good to have him","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3741.07,3743.83"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there. Family there must be nice. That's very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3743.83,3747.01"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well this has really been a short interview but is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921#t=3747.07,3748.93"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73081/file/158921/transcript/36677/annotation/1182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there anything else you wanted to share. 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This is Tommy vanished Belcher and this is March 6 2004 and this is an interview with Dr. Mary Goode. It. Seems like it's. Sparked. Memory for my. We're not doing a digital conversion today. Well you know sometimes it's good old fashioned sort of the best. But would you like to start out. I think it's talk about your family background and where you grew up. OK. Well I'm one of four children. There are three boys and one girl and I'm the oldest. And I was born in central Texas in Grapevine which is now a bedroom community for Dallas. And I was born 1931. The. Time was it was difficult because as most of you remember that was the beginning of the Great Depression or the early part of the Great Depression. And my father and mother both were interested in education. And my father went to school during that time even after an fact. He got his degree when my brother who's the youngest was about 18 months old we had this marvelous family photo of him with my brother in his arms and his cap and gown. My father taught school over central Texas during the depression and back in the days when we were paid in scrip and the bank gave you however much they thought the state of Texas could stand behind the script and it could be anywhere from 40 percent to 60 percent. That must have been hard though to have little kids and just not know about. Right. And my grandfather owned a small farm that he had inherited from his father. And so we never we were never one of those groups that you know always had good things to eat because my father was very good at gardening and all that. But it was a time when you had a lot we had a lot of things but not much money for sure. And we went to South. I started to school in southwest Texas in Valley County in a small rural school that my father went down there to be principal of. And his sister lived in seven hours which is in the Valley County. And we were down there stayed three years where we stay here in the school term and then we'd go back to the North Market in North Texas and spend the summer and came. My grandmother had a little farm there and we can all kinds of good vegetables and stuff all summer. Take those back make the winter. But. So I spent the first three years of my schooling in that little school and three grades and one teacher had one too and third grade was an elderly woman at that time who was a marvelous just absolutely marvelous primary teacher but she went back to the days when she used to go to her teaching assignments on horseback. But it was a fascinating also in that time because in those days state of Texas still had separate schools for the Mexican children and so the white children and of course in that part of Texas the Mexicans probably outnumbered us but so we had all the same school grounds. It was not the same as the segregation in other parts of the world where you had the black children but they were all on the same to run and most of them went to the same high school. But so I went to the third grade and then we went back to East Texas for one year and then we went back down there for a fourth year and then we came back to East Texas. And my father was interested at that time. Was. Needed to make more money and the war had started. So he signed on. As a guard over at one of the defense plants and in and around Dallas which he never did like and he got enough to duty in 1943 or 44 to do a school in Arkansas. And he loved the mountains and he loved the green the woods any because he was a hunter. He liked to hunt and he raised flock sounds so he moved we moved to Arkansas when I was in junior high school. So I grew up there graduated from a small rural school in south Arkansas had about 17 students in my graduating class. And since both my mother and father. By that time both of them were teaching the teacher salaries were so poor in those days that how they got all of us to school to this day I don't know that they did but it was one of those things where I needed to get out and get time to get there so my younger sister could make it. So I graduated high school in three years by going picking some for phonics classes and I went to in fact my mother and father. I get a kick out these youths today that people are concerned about leading them the university because my mother and father delivered me to what was then Arkansas State Teacher's College on a June day. If you enter in the summer and I was 15 years old at the time and they put me off gotten me in my room and went off to Texas. So. And those were days when people got responsibilities a whole lot earlier. I think maybe today. But I had a ball as an undergraduate I enjoyed college very very much. And I'm I meant to I started in home economics because in those days my father talked me into doing that because if you wanted to go into teaching it was great if you could be a home economics or a shop teacher because they got more money than anyone else because they were subsidized by the Federal Government climate as the Department of Agriculture. But I took freshman chemistry and fell in love with it. So I changed my major mid-term to chemistry and I've been there ever since. Had you taken any chemistry. Know that my high school didn't have the only sciences I had had in high school or general science and biology. Were you did you have an interest in that direction or. Yes I did. I had always been interested in in experiments and things like that. I used to love to be a small model airplanes and that kind of hands on thing. And in fact that's one of the reasons that I liked chemistry was the laboratories I love the laboratory. Unfortunately in today's world I think that's one of the things we've lost because there's not much fun in the laboratory today. They're pretty cut and dried in those days that you essentially did them all yourself and they were it was a lot fun. And I majored in chemistry and minored in physics and then looked around for a graduate stipend and I graduated from college in three years as well. How did you have that kind of drive do you think that was. Did you enjoy it from your parents thing. My mother was one of these people who thought people could do anything you do anything you want. We were never ever told that there was something you could not do. And you know people ask me about you know women that went into those careers in those times. And the problem was I didn't know you couldn't. Nobody had ever suggested that was not the proper thing to do. So you just did what you wanted to and it worked out fine. But we've looked around for graduate places to go and University of Arkansas offered me a stipend and I had looked at Carnegie Tech which I was very much interested in but I went to University of Arkansas because like so they gave me a stipend it wasn't too far away and my husband who I knew that was a physics major at Teachers College. So we both went to university at the same time and we got married about the second year I was in graduate school in fact my oldest son was born the year before I graduated but I just just enjoyed it immensely. But I guess the most fun I had was the four years I spent in graduate school were outstanding. I enjoyed that just immensely. And it was one of those things let's say in those days I was kind of a novelty so nobody bothered to tell me I shouldn't be there. And certainly the faculty did not. I never ran into any of the kinds of problems that people have talked about. And I graduated in my teens. Well I finished my thesis the summer of 1964 and my husband had finished his master's degree in physics and wanted to go on to a free state. And we had several opportunities we had I had an opportunity to go work for Shell Oil and he got gone to Rice but they offered me a faculty position at LSU and that turned out to be in those days. That was a better opportunity for somebody because I had an 18 month old son at the time and the ability to make your own time schedule and so forth was better. So we went to LSU and he finished his BHP at LSU. And in those days you started as an instructor and didn't start an assistant professor. No he didn't start his insistence that you started as an instructor. Not very many people in postdocs in those days it was kind of a rarity. So I started as an instructor and the very first assignment I got was to teach the freshman laboratory lecture which had 300 freshmen in it and the first day that I went to teach that thing I just they just absolutely overran you it was just it was just murder so I figured out what to do. And I had to graduate assistants and I had the graduate assistant set up a seating chart where I had to sit somewhere. So we made them all set and we are made of all we took we took two rolls and from that point on it went fine because now if they misbehave you knew who they were because in the original arrangement even though they were so what happened was nothing nothing lost by doing it. But I ended up learning how to teach in a very dramatic way and how to manage a class. You were just kind of thrown into you in there didn't have orientation or nobody else nobody else wanted to deal with that. So you know you're the lowest person on the totem pole so they were there when there was a class mostly male or was it. Well in those days it was mostly male but there were there were certainly it was a mix. It was a mixed group. This was 1955 and there weren't very many women but there were probably 25 percent or so. And then nine was also given. I was I taught in the summer because I needed the money. And this is in south Louisiana you have to remember. And I thought of analysis in the summertime on the second floor of the chemistry building that we had no air conditioning and there were days when the captain was out and do inside. But you know I have to appreciate that I made money error. I never thought that was anything out of the ordinary. How did you balance having a baby and do well. I was very fortunate when we got there. We found a place to live an apartment in a house. That and the house was an old house but a very nice old mansion like place on the lake right down from LSU. And the woman of the house had a maid and she had a cousin who was looking for work. So we employed her to keep the baby rather than in those days they were in there not day care centers and things like that. So we hired her and she stayed with us for 20 years. But it was just wonderful. And that's hard to do these days you can still do it. And in the end people say well it just cost too much. But you have to remember that I paid her probably. In those days I probably paid her half my salary. But that's what you have to do. That's what you want to do. And it worked out fine. She was just a marvelous woman. And when we then had my husband finished and we went to University of LSU in New Orleans because it was a place where both of us could get a job that was probably the time when it became obviously difficult. And mostly it was difficult because we were looking for two jobs at the same place. And in the middle 50s. Well this was about 1960 61. So lots of activism was around that though made it very difficult. And in fact we were offered positions at the University of Arkansas to come back but they would only let one of us have a tenure line. So we turned them down and we ended up at LSU because LSU in New Orleans was being organized and they needed faculty. And. They would like to have both of us. So it worked out very well. And so we spent 20 some odd years in the system. So you both went through the tenure track. What was that experience. The tenure track experience was fine. The only way my husband then ended up as the dean of the College of sciences there when I was in the chemistry department I was not chair. But then I was made the boy professor and to be a boy Professor you have to have Daniels and you know they nominate you and all that and some of the faculty took that very badly. And in fact accused my husband of being that I got hit only because my husband was the dean and all that. So that was kind of the first time that I ran into those sorts of things. But it turns out that even that was not discrimination per say what it was was two or three disgruntled faculty members who were trying to better their own case which I finally understood it really had to be all for all practical purposes and nothing to do with me per say it was just that they were aggravated they didn't get it. And this was a way to make it look. So they were private picked on who they would have picked up that pressure that. They picked on whoever. And I think that's one of the things that you know the kinds of things that people get offended by now. One of the other problems is you just didn't because it was just the way things were. Within. You. And you know it's a. It was a very different different kind. You could make it. But you just had to sort of run with it roll with the punches. But I really never felt like I was ever you know really discriminated against frankly. Were you the only woman in the department. Oh yeah for years. In fact I was the only woman in the department. And then when I went to the industry I certainly was probably the only woman in the United States at a higher level in the industry at that time. And in fact I told somebody one time that my problem was different from everybody else's because if another woman showed up I couldn't figure out what I was supposed to do about that. How are you supposed to interact. Yeah right. I was supposed to take care of you. Know I was supposed to watch after this person. What am I supposed to do here. You know that has thankfully changed dramatically. So you'd been at New Orleans for what 20 year about for almost a year. And you went there and I guess we went in nineteen sixty sixty one and I left in 78. And then I spent another two years only back back back on the Baton Rouge campus. In the College of Engineering I went back up there in engineering. Primarily because they were trying to put together a materials program at that time and so I don't want to think about their trying to make that go an interdisciplinary program between engineering physics and chemistry. We never were able to pull it off but that was what we were trying to do. What are your research interests at this. Oh I was a I was trained as an inorganic radio chemist. And I still have a lot of interest in that area. Fact My first publications were on radio isotope separations and things like that but my primary research interest was in organic characterization. Analytical Methods for characterizing inorganic. Systems. I published a lot of papers on spectroscopy. I was one of the very early users of Mossberg spectroscopy. We built our own system at that time and I'm absolutely flabbergasted at what they're doing on this Mars rover because they have designed a little Mossberg spectrometer that's just you holding your hand and how they've been able to design that and make it stable enough to operate because those are extraordinarily. Precise measurements. But there's you know they say they actually published some of the spectra off of it which is absolutely fascinating. But so I was doing a lot of work on most fresh spectroscopy and we actually did a lot of work on cattle catalytic materials and had I had I had Department of Energy grants early on because I was a when I was a student I had a fellowship from the Department of Energy because Arkansas at that time had two or three people who had been in the Manhattan Project had come back to Arkansas to teach and had pretty sizable grants from the Department of Energy and I essentially they paid for my education and then so when I went to work on my own I had some contacts ability and so I got some funding some really pretty early which was a big blast and then when we began to do spectroscopic work particularly for inorganic systems we got that funded out of NSF without the and then in the early days the older you see my money in the early days was from a seed and then when the ATC became Irda they dumped a lot of their research contracts and NSF was given a fair amount of money to pick up some of the dealing researchers and I was fortunate enough to be one of those who had NSF money impact when I left university estimate this. Money. When you left the university did. Were you ready to retire or are you just now you go on to another. No it wasn't it wasn't any of that. I had been very active in the American Chemical Society and I had worked with Herman Bloch and Herman was a director at you will be a director of research and they were looking for a new vice president and director of research. And he nominated me for that position because we got to know me pretty well during some variant and and so they called me up and they wanted me to come up. In fact they sent. They sent one of their V.P. is down to talk to me to see if I'd be willing to come up and interview for it and the person that they sent and I'll think of his name in just a second and I'm getting old a name sometimes disappear. But he was the fella who invented the platforming process that you will take. And he came down to visit he'd come down the Baton Rouge refinery on business and he came over to see me and want to know if I wouldn't apply for the job and I thought This is ridiculous nobody's going to hire me do that. But they invited me up for an interview and I thought well what the heck. We plan to go my hands and said Well I don't you can't move and things find out some stuff and I learn something. So I went and it was a very interesting interview because the CEO and they picked some people from the lavatory took me to dinner. And. We sat around talking about it and the CEO looked at me as if why would you want to do this job. Why would you want to fly. And I thought about that because I really had an excellent research group and research money and money minutes at and from the Navy. And I said well I'm 49 years old. It was my birthday. And I've done most of the things I wanted to do with the university. And I said people think you're nuts if you bail out when you're doing well. But I said My view is that if you're going to ever bail out that's when you should do it. And I said I've never done this it sounds like a challenging place and I think we can be fun to see what you can do it or not. I said the challenge is this more than I can not at least. Well he apparently liked that answer because they invited me back about two three weeks later and I really didn't have any thought that they would make an offer because you Opie was a very engineering oriented very hard head engineering. And the idea that they would hire first of all he was determined to hire a chemist even though most the engineers would've preferred a chemist an engineer. But he wanted somebody with a chemistry background to run the laboratory. But I had no idea that they would hire a woman frankly and that was one time I thought there probably would be feedback. But the CEO was a sort of a unique guy. And so I went back to interview again and I had talked to all the people and they came over in his office and he just said out loud I laugh. And then the issue was whether or not we would do it. And so I talked to my husband about it and he had given up his steamship and gone back to physics. And he had always wanted to paint and the offer they made us was such that we could do that. And so he said he didn't want to teach you really wanted to see if he could paint. So we went to the Chicago area and he joined the studio there and become a professional painter. It's amazing to go from physics to painting where it's not that physics so if you if you look at physics people particularly physics faculty most of them have. Some kind of an art outlet. Many of my musicians in engineering has a brand and any other musicians many of are painters. It's not it's turned out the physics in particular not so many chemists but physicists in particular seem to have double brains sort of life. But so he has really developed his brain. So he got to fulfill his dream he did do it it worked. And so we went to Chicago in the Chicago area and spent. Gosh I was there for about eight years. And how did you. We talked a little bit how much you love love living in near Chicago. How did you enjoy your work. Oh I enjoyed the work immensely. In fact that job actually was the best job I've ever had. In. Managing that laboratory was an enormous amount of fun. It was also an enormous challenge. And I guess in many ways had I known how big the challenge was I probably wouldn't have done it but I didn't know I had it and I didn't I didn't know that I probably shouldn't try it. So you're there you've got to make it work. What were some of the projects you were. We worked on the issues was that we had to upgrade and modernize the lab because this was 1980 and people there were still getting their computation done by doing batch IBM guards and running them on my machine. And. So the next five years we replaced. We essentially got computers on everybody's desk. We essentially we built land mine. An internal network for them to get to each other. We upgraded the equipment all of our small potted plants. But the chemistry that was going on there is some of these were people like Herman and those people these were people who had. We had a board out there with all the people with their patents these were people who had sent them a ton of pens. And. Prodigious people with productivity records just incredible. But the the chemistry focused on primarily inorganic materials that one uses for catalytic substrate because most of our work was in heterogeneous analysis not in homogeneous calluses we really didn't have any homogeneous processes we were licensed emotionally heterogeneous processes and it was all away from the fundamental chemistry of the reactions trying to understand what the actual catalytic sites were because when I first went there the palaces were still kind of a black art and it was during that period of time when people were really trying to bring it into a knowledgeable area where you understood the chemistry as well as just having observations. Do you think that one of the things that appeal to you was having practical applications come out of it. Yeah that was one and and to be honestly just the challenge of saying you know I went from managing a group of 18 or so folks to managing 500. Which was. Just an interesting. How do you do it. How did you deal with that as a supervisor. How did how did you control those folks. Well you don't have what you do is you figure out enable them you enable them exactly correct and what you know I've above the philosophy that is impossible for you to do all that. So what you do I went around and I I spent some time with all of the directors all of them. We had five or six records at that level with fibers made about 10 or 15 managers and I went around spent enough time with each of them to understand number one how well they were doing. What was the quality of people they had. What do we need to do to upgrade their skill base. And then what you do is empower them to do that. And. You you front for them. You make the case to the senior administration that you've got to have that if you want to move on. So you don't do it all yourself. And it's also true I am a floor walker. I like to understand what's going on in the laboratory and you can find out really what's going on and have a Murali is an all out by just walking the floor and talking to people casually and ask them what they're doing and being interested in whatever experiment they're running that day. And that management skill. I think pays off. Now you said this was your favorite job. Yeah. So why did you end up leaving the because I promoted me out of it. That's not such a bad thing. I guess it doesn't. But. Because that that job you had the ability to really interact with the chemistry prize people who got it and you get to interact with the engineers try to get it out to do it rather quickly and you still will have a hands on kind of an environment. And then of course when I was promoted up to be the senior vice president for all of our lives technology you are at least you've not down hands on anymore. I mean you've you've got to try to figure out what the group is doing and where they're going in the right direction. I think about the big picture think about the big picture and that's fun and it's interesting to do but that actually the your job is absolutely wonderful. It's too bad you couldn't have done so. So let's see where we are. Would you like to talk a little bit about you've served on a number. Of governmental boards and all sorts of committees. Would you like to talk about the main ones that stick out in your mind because there's not many I don't think when you cover them only yet the interaction with the American Chemical Society. I was very active in the even as a student I was active in the student certainly as a graduate student and then when I went to LSU I was active in their craziest thing and I was very active in the local section and I was when I went to New Orleans. That's good me in great stead and in fact the contact that I had to go you came to my interaction with me yes and the other interesting thing the CEO when he made me before I made the offer that night at dinner you want nobody ever had any budget experience and I said well I was chairman board of the ISIS and their budgets about 200 million and I said board actually manages the ACARS so that experience for all practical purposes made it possible for me to say first of all it gave me the contacts that I got. The interview and the experience that I had there was accepted as a real live experience. So one of the things I think students don't understand how interacting with a group like that can ultimately have a great deal to do with your career. And so that really was one of my early. Things was my activity in the ACARS and I was elected to the board in 1972 and I was both the first woman and the youngest member that had ever been elected to the board of the ACARS. And again it was a funny thing you know and I was very quickly put in as chairman of the Public Committee which in those days we managed both the publications and CBS came over abstract. So I really did learn a whole lot of management experience from that experience in the NTSB and also the networking and the networking. No question about it. Do you think that that probably definitely had an impact on appointment to governmental committees. Joel Sure yeah yeah. I think people are who you are. Yeah. And you know and they come to societies and things like that and ask for names and so forth and you get society because that was really the one activity that I did a lot of early on because I didn't have a lot of time because I had children and a job and a husband and all that. But I did take the time to interact with the with the ACA and it turns out that's been a very valuable. Experience. How did you balance working full time with all your. How as well as I as I said I was very I. Two things that made it possible one was that I had been able to hire this marvelous housekeeper. And the second was that my husband was very understanding and I kill when I talk to young women who want to do well in science and engineering. I have two pieces of advice. One is choose a husband very very carefully. And the second is to have children early not late. And the reason is when you have them early if you're an assistant professor nobody cares. The issue is you get your work done huge papers out the door you lose whatever you like midnight or whatever but as you get further up the ladder it gets much more difficult because you're really expected to be at places and you're assigned to do things and it's much harder. But that those really were the two reasons that made it possible is it my husband was very. Understanding and was very supportive of me doing some of these sites. All the committees. What sticks out in your mind in terms of your government service. What. Oh well the primary government service was my service on the National Science Board. I was appointed 1980 by government by President Carter. And then. Reappointed by Reagan which today would never happen I guess. I noticed that and I was struck that you were you know too political pariahs and then I was appointed by Bush to the peak asked after that. And again that wouldn't happen today but serving on the National Science Board was a wonderful experience I enjoyed that very much you know. And then I was Chairman the last three years of my tenure on the board which was a which was very interesting because we had some major issues at that time. That was the years that I was chairman. It was the year we had a new competition for the Magnet Lab which had been at M.I.T. since its. Beginning. But all of those were on five year contract and had to be read. Completed. And so the competition for that lab turned out to be that we ended up the board. It was and it was just a gut wrenching decision but the board decided to award the kind of a director recommended and the board. Agreed to award the contract to Florida State. That. Was one of the most interesting experiences I've ever had because my fax said that I was at Allied Signal at that time. In Morristown and my fax ran for the next 48 hours continuously. From major players at M.I.T. who absolutely could not believe that we had done that. The very idea that you would move the library from them I think to Florida State was simply not done. I mean this was just not done. And they really did try to intimidate the board to reverse it. What was the board's reasoning. Well the reasoning was that first of all it might be for all practical purposes take it taking it for granted they were going to get it and the proposal wasn't very good. And the Florida state proposal was outstanding. The cost sharing the state was willing to do an M.I.T. accused us of just letting them buy it. But we clearly wouldn't have done that unless it was match a really outstanding proposal. But that was it. We had some really interesting decisions during that period. Do you find that when you were involved with these kind of decisions that people would try and lobby you at a personal level like when you saw them at meeting. Yes that's a little if they were to be on your own back. But I had a very interesting call from the president whom I knew for me on my team which was one of them was not the most pleasant conversation I've ever had. And he threatened to sue us. And I said Well you certainly can do that. But I said if I looked at all the money that M.I.T. gets from NSF. Over the years as a asset I would think very carefully before I did that because they think. Serious has turned out that way. But it was a storm. It was a very emotional time and everybody was just. You know. On edge. And in fact they lobbied all of the board not just me that they lobbied everybody and we did have a another board meeting to review discuss it. And decided and voted again. How many people were on the board are there 24 I think they're they're staggered their three year terms and are eight new ones each year so it's a staggered boarding and usually is it a bipartisan appointment. It's pretty much a four in the past it has been quite bipartisan. The first time that it became very partisan in the appointments Nixon started a little bit of it but the actual first time it it really get down into these appointments to the board was in the Reagan administration. And. There were. Clearly some political. Involvement. In that case. But I don't particularly object to that so long as they still maintain the quality of the people they at point because the scientific community politically is split and all that sort of thing. So listen there's nothing wrong with Democratic nominee and Republican nominee provided that you look at the credentials. That's that's the real issue. So what what kind of things did you do on PBS. I mean was it really meeting with the president or just providing reports some of those actually Allan Bromley was the science adviser at that time and he he had asked me almost once a month. And we did have a fair amount of interaction with the president. He came to a number of our meetings and he particularly came from time to time to listen to some outcome questions that they had wanted us to work on. And then of course there were work reports. That was the time when the whole business about whether or not you could have closed meetings. And so there was a lot of discussion about that how to manage some of the more sensitive issues at the same time that you had open meetings and discussions. Are there any topics that are memorable. And you see clearly the one of the issues was on this whole business about whether the government should have a technology policy. And. Alan did get out on a memorandum. And I'm sure on technology policy. Some of the other things that were. That. Alan really wanted to do and which I think have to actually continue and he in many ways was the origin of them he was focused on trying to understand the R.A. portfolio of the government as a whole which nobody had truly done. So he organized what he called the Fix it committee and what that was was he brought the technical leadership from the agencies together in a committee to look at what everybody was doing and have a discussion of what was going on in the whole portfolio. And then he had we managed to hire. The Rand Corporation to help with trying to set up a database that would let you know what it was. And that's still ongoing in that that whole group has it maintained itself during the Clinton administration. And actually it is still active today. But that was primarily Alan Romney's idea and I think it did more of keeping for example you had you had the examples where you had stuff going on in the Defense Department that's going on the Department of Energy which overlapped and they didn't communicate with each other each other and good stuff that would come out of one didn't flow back to the other things like that. And that in many ways was probably the biggest. Activity and certainly the most profitable one that we did. When I was on the. When you also ended up being the undersecretary for technology. What was that experience that was interesting. First of all when they asked me to come. Had I known all of the issues about it I might not have done it because. It was kind of a bait and switch team in the sense that I was the senior senior V.P. and anyway the technology for online signal at the time and had a lot of stock options and things like that. And nobody told me up front that one was going to have to divest yourself of all of those. But they decided since it was technology that we've had to do that after I'd already cut all the ties in the there and you can hardly go back. Right. But that would make me mad I think I was not. I was not a happy camper because it cost. It cost me a fair amount of money. No one. But anyway we did it with the least fun thing was Ron Brown was secretary of commerce at that time. And he appointed some very good people all of the undersecretaries I thought were outstanding people all have very good credentials. And it was a very collegial group. And he had the idea of making the Commerce Department do something significant. And we were all pretty much given our heads to do what we thought was appropriate. And then undersecretary mayor is overfished which was nice because I really enjoyed that. That's probably one of the best government laboratories. And it also had the Office of Technology Policy and we were really able to do some very nice things in that policy office. We were able to get out some reports and bring in some people and get the industry and to talk to us in ways that I still think were very very profitable at that time. The only problem with one of those jobs is well it's just really not much different from being the senior V.P. it's Allied Signal those jobs are you know they're not 40 hour week job or 60 80 hours a week and then you don't get down all you want to do. But I enjoyed it very much. I would not want to do it for a lifetime. Because some of the politics get you. Did it make it easier because it was an appointment. No. No it wasn't a regular job. Yeah probably. Right. So you were frustrated by the politics out of time to time you are but most most of the that you so long before. As long as Ron Brown was there we really weren't. He actually shielded us a great deal from the Philippines and told us not to worry about him just go to what we thought we needed to do. But when he died I should say were you in office when I was the actually acting secretary for a few weeks really. That must've been a tremendous shock. It was absolutely unbelievable. I mean that's one of the worst episodes I've ever been involved with because I was fixing to go on a trip and I was in my office and it was about 10 o'clock in the morning and I was called by the general counsel of the department. And what she said was that I need you to come down to the secretary's office immediately. The secretary plane has disappeared and you are the leading there's a hierarchy of young secretaries and she said You are the top of the list. That's in the building today. So you're it. And we spent and we spent that day trying to figure out a guy who was totally just chaotic and had all kinds of bad rumors and some of you were totally off base. And what have you and then you begin to get the reporters and all that. And so the first thing I did was to just try to get everybody quieted down and understand where we were and find out where we were going to get information from. And since he was on an aircraft and an Air Force plane you were definitely gonna get the only reliable information was gonna come from the effects. Of an Air Force. And I said we're not going to pay any attention to these rumors that come elsewhere. We will wait until we had a line into those folks and we will wait until we hear from them what they have. And the problem with it was this was a trade mission and we had on that plane about we had about we had about 30 some odd people. About. 30 people that were commerce people and then there were probably another 25 that were CEOs and things like that. And what we finally did get definitive information about what had happened and we got confirmation that. Then we were left with a with the problem of cold calling the families particularly of both our own employees and the the CEOs and businesspeople who were aboard which was one of the worst things and the young woman who had put together the list she was a special assistant to the secretary. And she had put together a list of CEOs that we could go. And. So we sat down and talked about it. I said you want me to sit with you when she calls you know I am if I do it myself. And she said fine. Cold call all of those families. That was the most that people don't understand. It was truly this most. Awful thing. And then we had issues that came up like the. State Department wanted us to agree to. Not bring the bodies back to the United States the panel or through Germany and through the. Forensics. Identification process there. But when we looked at that that would have taken quite a long time. And the Defense Department had agreed that they would be willing to bring it all into Dover where we could get it all done at once and all of the families would be able to have their remains within a period of about a week. And so we had a major meeting in the White House. With. The chief of staff and his. Assistant. And we had part of the White House staff which was voting with the State Department. And fortunately the French guys came and. And our position was that we wanted to do whatever we could do to make it get this well and to get these families. What was not what they needed to know as quickly as we could. And so we pushed to bring them all into Dover and they did that. We believe we've actually been made in the Defense Department people helped the lately the Air Force people getting heat so we overeat or own them. What if I want. Why we are blame or if I did it well they wanted to be sure that you got good identities I didn't want to break any unidentified bodies back. For some reason that they had in their minds and they had some rationale for what they wanted to do. So we brought them all back and then we set up a we set up a UN office in the in the assistant secretary. I mean in the deputy secretary's office and we had to try to find all of the dental records and things like that for all of our employees. We set up a sort of a war room if you like to try to get all that information and get it over to those descriptions we could show that could be the end of the idea. That must have been incredibly difficult very very difficult because you had to call in these families. And one element that was there had been to a dentist. And something like ten or twelve years and his records were in a Guinness office that had I had retired and they were in some archive. And they found but. But that was a very difficult time I. Seen. Thank. You. Very. Telling did you continue as temporary acting. About two or three weeks. Right. And then the president decided to put a political appointee and a secretary. He did an interim appointment because then Congress was out and you could do that again for a year which probably was in my mind was a mistake because the department really had some good stuff going. And this was a guy who was politically motivated only and it just didn't work. He was he had been the trade negotiator and he was an excellent practitioner but he didn't understand the strategy of what we were trying to do. And so it kind of was not merely the phone. It was pretty. Bad. That's. To. Bad. Let's talk about something here. Why don't we talk about your returning to Arkansas. Well I had told the Clinton administration that I would stay one term Mike and I said I'm member because we did you live in D.C.. Well yes you did. And we had lived in March down for five years and actually five years at one of those high fashion jobs that stop is about enough. And so I did this for years in that department and then I left in the summer of 97 and my husband and I tried to decide where we wanted to retire. And we thought really about going back to Chicago because we liked it too much. But the winters are just killers. So we decided to go back to Arkansas because both of my sisters now lived in Little Rock. And so we had family in and we liked the area. And so we went back to retire. Actually. And I got involved in this university thing primarily because the Chancellor of the University there called me up and want to know if I wouldn't be willing to come out and be sort of help him with something. So he made me and I. And he offered me a distinguished professorship and a little money and an office. Nothing else. So I go out there and then I got involved in this whole business of though he was planning this thing college images mining bad engineering. And when he got already to do that many put me in as the Dean because he needed somebody to send. Me. So here I am I there. But what do you like most about the work you're doing. Oh Allah I love to build things. And I and we've done that in this college. And I like to be able to. I like to be able to get students. Into the college you really wouldn't have had an opportunity otherwise. And I think that's just. You don't get that opportunity very often. It sounds like you're getting to have an impact on educational policy record. We ask when we really are. And. That's that's kind of Haiti. Actually. So I really appreciate the opportunity to do that. How do you balance that work with your other work. Well. I don't do as much on the policy segment as I used to. But I I do some because I think it's still important and we started up this little group called Astra which is the Alliance for Science and Technology in America. And what we're trying to do with that is to get the physical sciences the mathematical sciences or computer scientists and the engineers to coalesce in a group so that you can have a bigger impact on the funding on that side of the house because the only way to get a balance between the medical sciences support and the rest is to do that because what we have done in the past is each little enter each little disciplinary group pedal their own chemistry pedal their son the AC Felix pedal expanded through the American Physical Society and what have you. But none of those are big enough to have huge impact. So what we would what we have what we are trying to do is to get that community to work together to increase the pool of. Federal research for those disciplines most in the basic area and in the early technology research which is where the engineers like. You said in your lecture last night that you really do think this is going to the 21st century is the biology of biological sciences. I'm asked a lot of people do. But the problem you have is that it won't be unless you actually see the rest. And Varmus while he was a director of NIH his issue was he wanted NIH to fund some of the physics and chemistry that that they need. But there's a problem with that because if the medical scientists had been in charge of deciding who in physics got research money they never would have had him at the NMR that are so invaluable to them today because that was a very fundamental physics problem they had to do with how to understand matter. Do you think that part of the issue in the sciences today are all these divisions that basically show that they're very internalized that they don't necessarily do a lot of collaborative work. That's correct. And it's also why it's very difficult to get good interdisciplinary work done because my view is that we should not train interdisciplinary scientists. We should train scientist in great depth in the discipline who are willing to work in interdisciplinary groups that's different. And. That is very hard to do because many of the best problems today are on the border between disciplines right. And many of the biological problems are certainly on the border many between chemistry may between the next millennium in engineering and to work those problems you need people who are trained in that but you need them to be willing to work with people who are trained and left in the other areas so that collectively you can work a problem that none of you could work that productively or identify yourself with me. Do you think that that will happen or do you hope no is happening at the industry does it much better because I can just sign people and you can build interest painters. Or. Hispanic groups the university still does not know what to do about it. It's still hard to get grants for interdisciplinary work. These departments are still totally ambiguous about how they recognize people who work in interdisciplinary groups. You know what I get. You know what is you know when they have a poor assistant professors try to get tenure and any worked in this group they say well he wasn't responsible for the intellectual activity here. So it's a very difficult problem and the university still is sooner or later though we've got to try to get around that I think and there are a few places where it's is happening. Some of the materials groups now do have. Pretty good. Interactive. People. But it's still not easy changing a mindset inside. That's right and it's changing. The main problem is the reward system. Because the reward system. In science has always been predominantly to reward individual effort. And how do you have group effort and reward individuals. Physics of course has done it for a long time because if you worked on the big machines you had working groups and you didn't have a choice you didn't have a choice but certainly chemistry and biology. It's been a one man operation had a major professor and all of his students. And they didn't talk to each other very much and that's a problem. I think the university said. You had a panel overcome that. It's not easy. It's. Worth our time is winding down. First I want to ask about. You've received a lot of awards and so I'm just gonna ask what one sticks out in your mind about this. Oh a couple naturally the major ones clearly were being elected to Life Academy then right. And the second is I appreciate that on the issue. Yes. And. How did you feel when you received those. Well first of all I. The the engineering one I was very very pleased because with the kind of background I had I was never going to get elected to the National Academy of Sciences. Just because of. Lots of reasons but. I was very pleased with that because what it did was recognized the contributions you had made in anger management and things like that to the engineering academy still does. And it was just wonderful. You know it. And the priestly medal to be honest it never occurred to me I would ever win. Appreciate that. Just because it was well you know it has gone too. It has gone to primarily people with major. Silo. Careers. Yeah. Whereas yours has been. Yeah it's really been a variety thread. But. Then I also want to ask about your involvement with the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Oh that's that. That was interesting. That's a very different organization from the disciplinary arguments. But I enjoyed that very much because it was an opportunity to have people look at a little bigger picture thinking Triple A s in my mind does not. It. Is. Superficially represents. The entire scientific community but practically it does not because science magazine is so focused on the biological sciences and in fact they for the most part believe that's their journal although the new editor has done much better if you look at the as the Journal today. It does have a lot of really good chemistry and some physics and astronomy stuff in it but they're advertised but you know they run the magazine all the advertised building because of the fact that even the industry believes that it's read it it is read religiously belied by the large scientists and the biologists. So therefore their advertising is focused on those people. So the triple j s has a has a flavor toward the biological sciences. And I think that it ought to open up and really try to become more relevant to the rest of the sciences as well and they're making an effort to people whether that's possible or not I don't know. One of the problems is that the younger side is today just will not take the time to provide any. Real service to an organization like that like the older scientist understand why a broad based view is important. But the younger scientists are so busy and so competitively driven that I really think that's a generational change that it is it is and the and interplay yes. Not to worry about that because their membership essentially gets a year older every year. And the other issue is too you were talking earlier about how at this point we're eating our capital in terms of science education and drive do you. Well that's a that's partially a government issue an error in an organization like triple yes you're going to have to help. With that. Because you simply can't eat your seed corn. And we are not putting the kind of investment. Back into. Research and student development that I think is going to be necessary to sustain us. It's. A very big problem. In the health sciences we're doing pretty well but we're not doing very much anywhere else. It's hard to excuse that far too one year discipline. It is. Do you think and they ask you this question last night at the top two. But. Do you see things getting. You obviously see things getting better for women in science and engineering. And I just think that the sheer numbers will just eventually. Well and in the industry today they essentially have. OK. And in fact in the biological sciences over half of the population is women anyway. So you know if they don't do well it's because they don't push it. But in the rest. It's still small engineering is still 20 percent at best. But it is not because they can't do it. Because they choose not to. And so one of the things we need to think about is. Why did they choose not to. Do. And it's not altogether discrimination or any of those things. They just have other options. And they decide the other options look more promising. Now there still is a lot of family pressure on girls I think but but most of the pressure these days in terms of. Discriminatory kinds of things. Don't come from the universities and doesn't come from the industry it comes from the social mores in which the children were raised to be which is a different problem. So it's not that the institutions where they will get their training and where they might go to work those institutions really just don't have much bias left in them. But there is a lot of bias in the social. Media with colleagues and with colleagues and things like that. And you know I don't know maybe it will always be I don't know but there's there's bias and families as to what they think they should do and how they're advised and they're still in my mind a fair amount of problems with. High school counselors. So so the issue is yes you have to understand that there really are no innovations here. There are lots of options lots of options and there's no innovation in getting into these programs. It's just a question we've side. That's what you want to do. The way in the window in looking back over your career what really what would you. What stands out for you as being important. In your career. Several things. The one as I said as they said. Is to pick a husband who's going to be you. And second. At the time that I started. The ability to hire somebody to be helpful. Was very important. You can still do that. The main problem is people don't. Problem is people love. The problem is people don't. The problem is people don't. The problem is people don't. If the problem is people the problem is people don't. If the problem is people don't. The problem is people don't. If the problem is people don't. If the problem is people don't. If the problem is people don't. Problem is. They think that it cost too much. Well my view on that is if that's what you want to do you better pay it because you really do want and you don't have to pay it forever for them. So it's sort of the tradeoff. That's one of the tradeoffs you have to make. So you know since both of those turned out quite positive in my case and so the end result is quite possible to be. Essentially what you felt like you wanted to do. You know what I have. I have two children and. I have two sons and four grandsons with me. It's kind of interesting. The grandsons only one of them as well. The youngest one may turn out. Yes. We don't know that that one engineer meaning one who's graduating in. English and. Film writing. One who is a. Freshman this year at New York University. In their honors humanities program. And then one 15 year old we'll see what he does. What did your two sons end up doing. Well my older son is a biologist. He. Has appeared to be in. Plant Biology essentially. And he spent. About 20 years now 25 years now. As head of the wetlands programs for the state of Louisiana. He's been both the major master plan for how they should deal with the wetlands. They have they to get all of it funding and the younger one the Graduate School of Architecture Tulane. And today and then spent some time in the Peace Corps. He and his wife. And today he has a consulting company. That provides. Training and onsite management for refugee problems all over the world. It's not like they don't have interesting interesting position yet it is. So yes. And it sounds like you and your husband enjoyed Arkansas. We do. We do. We really enjoyed being back. It's been fun. Me. And my sisters were there. So it's of pleasant. And my oldest grandson is the one who is an engineer who graduated from Minnesota Polytechnic is now there as well. He took a job with one of the engineering firms in Little Rock. So far so. Good to have him there. Family there must be nice. That's very nice. 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