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My name is Jim Dublin and I'm with the Ames Peace Network. Our speaker this evening, David McReynolds is a staff person for the War Resistors League. He has a long history of working with peace issues, starting in the Korean war, in which he refused to being inducted and ended up in prison for his work. He was an organizer of the Vietnam war activities and participated in the first major demonstration against the Vietnam war in New York. Recently, he has been very active in disarmament activities across the world, including just coming back this week from an international conference in Malta. David also has been active in a lot of other issues including the civil rights movement, women's rights movement, gay and lesbian rights movement, socialist movement. He ran for Socialist Party of USA president candidate in 1980. With that, I'd like to introduce our speaker tonight. Speaking on \"The Case for Unilateral Disarmament\", Mr. David McReynolds.\r\n\r\n- Jim, you gave me one honor at least that I don't have, I was never in prison. I must've been in jail a few times, but... The draft, just since you mentioned that, I'll go back over that because it is a question of a struggle for conscience for everybody and it was for me and I was lucky. In 1948 and '49 when I came into the pacifist movement, I did register for the draft. At that time, everybody who did not went to prison. It was not a matter of whether there were hundreds of thousands of non registrants. A number of my friends were in prison and I decided to register. And originally I had filled in that I was a CO and believed in God. Then at one point, the government reclassified everybody, I think just to see if people would fight for their original classifications. So those of us who had been COs, I think the title may have been we were classified 4-E or something. They just sent us a 1-A card to see if we would fight for reclassification. And I think it was 1-O, is what we were looking for. It's an old government tactic to see if they can see how many will fight to get back what they had, 'cause you have to go all the way back through the hearing process. And by that time, a couple of my friends in the Socialist Party were headed for prison because they were atheists and could not in good conscience say that they sought exemption because they believed in God. And by that time my own consciousness had lifted enough that I realized that I could not ask for exemption as a religious person if that exemption was not open to non-religious people, that it was seeking special privilege. So I left that blank on my second time around so that I would answer that question if and when it became irrelevant to getting the CO classification, but I didn't want to take special privilege. So they denied me my CO classification. Of the three of us in the party, one was arrested and won his case in court, one, a friend of mine went to prison for two years and I was brought into the court indicted for refusal to be drafted. And the case was dismissed in the court by the government rather than open up the FBI files. Because at that point, the technical issue was our right to have access to the FBI files on which the hearing officer had made a determination that I was not sincere. So no, I did not ever serve prison time. I give that very brief summary just because all of us, our consciousness moves by bits and pieces, and in the end, I ended up as an atheist anyway but that at the beginning I was religious. I still am religious but at the beginning I believed in God, a personal God and applied for it on that basis, and then later realized I couldn't 'cause my friends couldn't and then later realized I didn't believe in a personal God, but didn't go to prison. On practical matters to begin with, there is or should be on the back table a mailing list or a sheet of paper. And if that's not there, I assume Jim that you can get it there. And if you would like information about the group for which I work, the War Resisters League, sign it. Don't sign it just because you want mail, because the list that I take it for granted goes to the FBI. I don't give it to the FBI, but I just think it's a safe bet that our list is copied at some point in the process of being sent out. So you should just know that and that also helps to discourage excess and unnecessary names on the mailing list because servicing you for a year until you decide whether you want to send us any money, costs us money, and we're $50,000 in the hole now and the latest installment from Moscow has not come through. And that's why I was in Malta to see if I could make arrangements with Libya. The second thing is that sometimes at the end of a talk people ask if I have written something and in case I have but I didn't bring it with me. There is a long six-page analysis that is such forth generally my political position on a number of questions that I don't have time for tonight. And that is called... If you send 25 cents to the War Resisters League and ask for midnight to dawn we will know what you're asking about. I've forgotten the exact title but it's a long six page analysis, current analysis that I wrote and was issued at the turn of the year. Now let me state first in a very fair, clear way what I'm here to argue for. And that is that I propose that in a world where humane and rational politics are exceptional and a world where the leaders of other nations are often as brutish, as ill-informed and as irresponsible as Reagan, that we disarm, and that we do so unilaterally. That is the naked statement of the proposition I'm here to defend. And let me suggest that while all of you are here, some of you may be here because you have some special sense of the urgency of the arms race, and that you may want to make some notes in order that your questions can be useful, not only to yourself but to me. I will try to be as logical as I can in constructing my case, and it consists of a series of points and therefore will not be very exciting. I've actually written notes, and that means that I'm not gonna be very exciting. But it may mean that there'll be more logic in what I say, and so you may want to try to follow that. You may not also, it's a free country and there's no reason why you should follow my logic. If you do, it may get you into deep trouble for one thing. Let me suggest that there is a deeper loneliness in what we are doing tonight than some of you realize. That we are struggling together tonight with the question of the survival of the human race and how to affect national policy. Governments are by their nature, secretive, all governments, particularly those of very large powers and they choose to manipulate us when they cannot ignore us. And so that both powers, and I'm not equating them, I think the blame for the arms race or the present danger of a war is about 75-25. I think 75% American responsibility and about 25% Soviet at this point. And I wanna be clear, when I say 75-25 that does not mean 97-3. That does not mean that America is 97% responsible and the Soviets have made a few errors. 75-25 means I have very major substantial fundamental critiques to make of Soviet foreign policy. But objectively, I think about three-fourths of the present immediate responsibility for the peril, the danger of nuclear war does rest with the American government. Both governments are engaged in a series of propaganda moves to co-op you. As soon as I can half persuade one, two or three of you to make a major break with the arms race, Reagan or whoever succeeds him will make an effort to win you away from the kind of position I'm advocating. The same way that the Soviet Union will try to recover lost ground. Neither government is interested in making a significant move toward total disarmament. They are very eager to persuade you that that is their objective. And therefore we're an a lonely business because whatever I tell you, I'm ranged against vast and enormous forces of political and economic power which will try to persuade you that they're acting in good faith, and I just have to hope that your students enough of history to know that the last 50 years suggests that both powers have not acted in good faith. Some of you also may be here for academic reasons. It may be that you're here to fulfill some requirement, it maybe here because you've made a promise at some point in your life to hear what a pacifist sounds like or see how tall they are. We actually come in different sizes and different sexes. And in that case what I'm saying is of only passing interest, but some of you are here because you share the concern with me and I'm not here for academic reasons. I'm not a professor, I'm here because I want to change national policy. I'm here because I want actions to flow from the dialogue that we're engaged in. I'm here because I hope that those of you who have not yet taken part in demonstrations or vigils or tax resistance or draft registration resistance will do so. Those of you who have never visited your member of Congress will do so. My hope is that one, two, three four or seven of you following tonight will behave in a different way. So for me, this is not a discussion that is academic. It is a question of trying one by one, meeting by meeting, audience by audience to begin to shift the ground on which national policy is based. Now, there is one other thing before I tick off my points that is a deeply on my mind, and because of the limits of time, it can only be touched on here tonight, but it would be impossible for me to talk to you tonight about the abstract dangers of nuclear war. When I've just come back from Malta and dialogue with the representatives in El Salvador and Nicaragua, SWAPO, AMC, PLO, and other groups, it is impossible for me just not to say that the pattern of aggression and illegal and immoral actions of the Reagan administration represent a government that now functions on the basis of terrorism. Reagan has used the word terrorism lightly and often, and I want to direct that charge at him. Terrorism in this country has an address, and that address is The White House. And there is one person who gives those orders, and that is the President of the United States of America and those orders lack legitimacy. They are terrorism, naked and appalling. 16-inch guns lob shells for example, as they recently did into Beirut in totally inaccurate patterns. As we fund everyday a government in El Salvador which is based on organized terror, we either fund it directly or pay the Israelis who send in the weapons to El Salvador and Guatemala and Honduras. As we are engaged in the killing of people on the borders of Nicaragua, who are trying to defend a government that they have achieved by overturning a repressive government, and by applying standards to Nicaragua that, and I remind us of this as you listen to Reagan sometimes make his speeches, that we were never prepared to see applied to us. We ask of Nicaragua an instant perfection following a revolution. Only a small minority of Americans were able to vote after our revolution. You had to be a white male with property. It was not until the 1860s that we extended the right to vote to citizens that were black, and abolished institutional slavery more than 60 years after our revolution, and no one intervened to end the appalling institution of slavery. And then it was another more than 60 years until we granted the women the right to vote, and no one intervened to correct our errors. And I find it almost unspeakably obscene that Reagan who had never been close to a battlefield, who spent World War 2 in a movie studio is involved in praising acts of terrorism, raw and naked on the borders of Nicaragua and funding a government engaged in that in Guatemala and at El Salvador. And I want to say to you what the Freeze must hear clearly, and the Freeze was in Malta and played a very bad role in Malta, that the Freeze must understand. And I say this supporting the general concept of the Freeze, that nuclear war is not likely come from an accident. It is likely to come from the kind of conventional terrorism that the two sides have engaged in whether it's Afghanistan or Nicaragua or whether it's one side or the other in Lebanon, that Soviet ships are headed now to the Caribbean as our ships and troops are engaged in a massive exhibition. That the Soviet ship was damaged by an American mine planted by the contras in off the coast of Nicaragua. If that can happen, what happens if the Soviets decide to plant a mine on the roads leading into West Berlin? Two can play at that game. And you move from there to a nuclear war. There is no easy dividing line between conventional armed intervention by the Soviets and the Americans and nuclear war. You cannot separate those things. So in addition to that pattern that America following, being immoral, if we have a nuclear war it's going to come about because of, I think conventional miscalculations. Now, basic assumptions and historic background. In 1947 when The Cold War began, the Soviet Union had no nuclear weapons and it had no ability to attack us, to invade us by land, by sea or by air. Today, after 37 years of relentless increases in military power, after technological breakthrough after technological breakthrough, after building up the largest and most powerful supply of weapons in the history of the planet, we find that Soviet Union can destroy every American city in all 50 States in 30 minutes. That is what 37 years of military defense has bought us. It would be helpful in understanding our peril to see the missiles as present, not distant. If you think of the accuracy of a digital watch, which you can buy, this Casio is now moving into its third year of its five-year battery, it is accurate within about two seconds a month. It doesn't compensate for leap year, I can see that. This one compensates for leap year. It's a stopwatch, it is an alarm, it is a timer, it gives me 24 hours, so I wanna go to that instead of 12 hours, and of course it is a calendar. You can buy those for less than $30. Please understand the amount of money going into a nuclear missile and its guidance system, and realize that if you can get this for under $30, that you can secure, almost pinpoint accuracy in and about I think 500 feet, for a nuclear missile sent from the Soviet side to this side, or from this slide to the Soviet side. So we are not talking about Soviet missiles that are safely stashed away in Siberia. That's how we're thinking of them. I would like you to realize that there is at the present time as we talk a Soviet missile in the center of Ames, Iowa, guarded by a platoon of Soviet Marines. And there are some 37 American missiles scattered around Moscow, each guarded by at a platoon of American Marines. It would help us if we thought about it that way, because that's where the missiles are. That is, the Soviet missile is 30 minutes from Ames. How long does it take... It's an hour from here to Des Moines, right?\r\n\r\n- A little less than an hour.\r\n\r\n- A little less than an hour. Okay, so even before I finish talking, a missile could have landed here or be in Des Moines. Please see how close they are. We're not talking about missiles distant and removed and abstract. We're talking about missiles immediate and concrete and within 500 feet of where we're sitting. That's true for both sides. They're not in North Dakota. They're not buried underneath the ocean in submarines. They're sitting in Kharkov, in Kiev, in Leningrad and Moscow, and Chicago and Atlanta and Seattle, in every city in this country. I would someday like to suggest to the two sides that they cut their arms budget by agreeing the ideal delivery system is simply to install the missiles. We've got them here for all practical purposes. What would you say to having the Soviets put one in Des Moines, guarded by Soviet marines. Would that bother you at all? I mean, why not? Think of the savings. They wouldn't have to send it. They wouldn't need the delivery system. It's taken care of, and we in turn would have five or six in Leningrad, and 37 in Moscow and several in Kharkov. Think of the savings in the delivery systems. But by God, it would scared the shit out of us to see those missiles standing there day and night, wouldn't it? We would understand or begin to understand the immediacy, the thin line on which our survival rests. If we could see, and any one of those missiles might by some accident go off. Any one of those missiles could wipe out everything for a large distance around it. Now, if this sounds harebrained, the idea of installing the missiles, you know, that's what we have now. That's what I'm trying to say to you, that we have them there now, just the 30 minutes difference, that just actually installing they're just 30 minutes from being there. Okay. Point one in terms of looking at the arms race, the nuclear arms race, there is no defense. Reagan's \"Star War\" concept is born of such political and technological folly. It is not worth one minute of serious rebuttal time and I will not rebut it at all. If anyone here has any questions from the \"Star Wars\", I will refer them to the science department. I will say nothing about it, it is beneath contempt. There is no defense, there will be no defense. In the last thousand years of war, we have never seen the defense secure an advantage over the attack. We have always seen wars waged at a higher technological level in which new weapons of attack were substituted for old. The advantage over the last thousand years has always been to the aggressor in terms of the technology. And you can look yourself and the last three wars from The Civil War, where we saw the Gatling gun to World War 1, where we saw the first use of tanks and poison gas, to World War 2, where we saw the nuclear bomb, and I don't have to lecture you very long on the fact that there won't be any defense. None is possible. If you could find one for the nuclear bomb, they would have a weapon more deadly. Look just at the last three wars, and don't have the illusions that Reagan seems to have acquired. There is therefore no security at the level of arms, you begin with that assumption. And when I talk about unilateral disarmament and you feel naked, I want you to know how naked you are now. There is no security. The military knows this better than most of us and is frantic. I don't have contempt for the military. My father served as a Lieutenant Colonel in the air force. My grandfather served as a Lieutenant Colonel in the infantry. I didn't agree with them, I had the usual Freudian rebellions with my father and all of those kinds of quarrels and qualms, but they're military men. And I simply cannot see the military in some categorical evil as some of my pacifist coworkers do, because I've known them as members of my family. They are frantic because they were assigned historically in all societies, the job of defending the country. That was their job. They were willing to give their lives up. There were careerists and there were cowards and all kinds of people in the military. But there were also people who were very brave, a lot braver than I am, who said, they're willing to go into combat to defend the homeland, to go up to the frontline and to be shot and the shoot to defend us here. To defend their wives, their children, their cities, their churches, whatever. And they can't do that anymore, and they know they can't do it anymore. Reagan doesn't know it but the military knows it. They have an impossible task of defending this country. And for the first time in the history of the human race, the military cannot defend the society that it's been assigned to defend. You don't have any idea of the schizoid patterns going through the military mind. The politicians don't begin to understand the burden, the psychological angst of the military which does know what they can't do, they can't defend you anymore. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are a border for humanity which is a border like time itself because once it has been crossed, we can't return. I wish we could return to the days of World War 1 when the war was simply catastrophic but not suicidal. We can't return, we've crossed a border. There is no longer a defense. Fourth point. They are profound, dangerous, regardless of the course of action you take. Now, I'm going to... I must concede that if we have no weapons, there is a danger we can be attacked. I'm gonna try to come back to that if I move fast enough to get there, to the end. I mean, I will get to the end, no matter when I start but I would like to get some things in between the beginning and the end. There is a profound danger that without nuclear weapons, we will be attacked. I concede that. But that danger exists in any case, that we can be attacked. There's profound danger, regardless of the course of action we take. Fifth, war is a human institution, and this is central to my argument and I'll return to this also at the end. War is a human institution created by us. I mean, a human institution does not mean a biological and genetic institution. A human institution means a sociological framework, a creation that we built up at some point in our past and it was created by us to resolve social conflicts when peaceful means broke down. We did not always have war, it is a creation. And I am suggesting to you that institutions that we created, we can end. As we created the institution of slavery at one time, and we ended it in the last century. Now just to remind you that in the middle of the last century, you could still find academics, I'm sure no one at Ames would have been in that position if Ames was here at that time, but there were eminent academics who defended the institution of slavery as being inherent in the nature of human beings, and said it was impossible to try to abolish it and even somewhat immoral to try to undo that which was clearly inherent in the nature of human beings. There's no academic in the country today who would dare stand up and defend the concept of slavery. It's gone. And yet it seemed eternal as late as 1850. I'm suggesting that war can and probably for our survival must also be abolished, and that what had been a utopian dream in 1850 regarding war, a utopian dream on the battlefields of Europe, as the kids were killed, as they were hosed down with lead as you might water plants with a hose, and they were watered with machine guns and fell by the tens of thousands and in the dying and the screaming, the utopian dream of a world without war emerged. And it was only utopian and we had to live through the horror of the Second World War, The Holocaust, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, 20 million Soviet dead, that that is no longer utopian. It now has become an historic imperative, and historic imperatives are things which if you ignore them, you die. Now I shift ground. Can we build a sound political policy by agreeing to do collectively what none of us is prepared to do personally? Are our threats even persuasive if we have questions about a policy collectively, which none of us actually is prepared to carry out personally? I'm going to try to spell this out. I think we know that Soviet policy is not determined democratically. There may be one loyal and devout member here of The Communist Party who believes that in the Soviet Union, policies determined democratically by mass discussion in the various collective organs of the people and transmitted upwards in a democratic centralist way, and that the head of the Soviet Union, Chernenko is sitting patiently waiting for the process of discussion at the factory level, on the village level, on the community level to reach the Politburo so that he and the Politburo will then know what to do. There may be one person here who believes that. I can't help that person. No one else here believes that. There may be one person here who believes that we have that kind of process and I can help you because we live in this country, and therefore I can remind you that Congress did not have any discussion about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There was no congressional vote to enter the nuclear age unilaterally or multilaterally or bilaterally. We just entered it. There was no debate. Congress didn't even know about it until they picked up the newspapers and found out that Hiroshima had vanished. We didn't have any debate at all and this is a democratic country. Now, if we didn't have any debate and we're a democratic country, we, I think can agree, most of us, except for the one person here who has faith in their illusions, that the Soviet Union is not likely to have a serious debate. If my logic is sound thus far, and it is a dozen men in the Kremlin who would issue the order through attack, would any of us have the right to respond? That is to say, to make it very concrete, if you were in a Trident submarine off in the Pacific or the Atlantic and you received orders to send up your missiles, and one Trident submarine carries sufficient nuclear warheads to destroy the entire Soviet Union. Because the Trident submarine warheads are merged and morphed and all these magical, wonderful things that happened when instead of building watches, you take billions and billions of dollars and you build missiles with independently targetable re-entry guidance national federal warheads. One Trident submarine can destroy every Soviet city with a population of over 100,000. Now, you're on that submarine. You have just learned that the dozen men in the Kremlin have ordered the nuclear annihilation of this country. And what that means, it means first that your ship cannot return to port because the port is not there anymore. It means that your parents are not there anymore. It means that the streets you walked on as a child are gone. It means that your wife is gone, if you had one. Your friends are gone. If you had children they're gone, or are going very fast. Means that all of the things that you had visited in America are gone or going in smoke or ruins, finished. It means, and you know this, that the country from which you came is finished, is gone, is ended. Would you, having learned that, want to inflict the same death on 250 million Soviets in order to get at the dozen men who had issued the order? If you say yes, then you do believe in deterrence and I have lost my argument. But also if you say yes, Adolf Hitler won the last war, with you at least. If you say no, you're not prepared to destroy 250 million people because of the decisions of a dozen men. Then who are you deterring, if you're not prepared to use the weapons when push comes to shove? Some of you in this room may be Christians. I am not, but some of you may be. It is a religion at one time popular in this country. It had a following of uncertain dimensions. It made major demands on the followers. It was a utopian faith. We hear a great deal about the danger of the Christians in the Soviet Union. Do you know that the Soviet government has tried now, for nearly 70 years to stamp out the Christian Church? And whereas I think sometimes looking at the Christian Church in America that it has happened, it's been stamped out, although it's redeemed occasionally by marvelous things like the Bishops' statements and the attempts to stop the white train. There are moments when I think the Church has become a state religion, particularly when we have a discussion about prayer in the public schools. And I think, my God, they're actually gonna make this a state religion. Pray to Reagan or something. In any case, it's worth really realizing that the greatest danger that the Soviet Christians' faith, and there are tens of millions of believing Christians in the Soviet Union is not from the Soviet communist party which has tried for nearly 70 years to destroy Christianity. It is from the strategic air command which can destroy every Soviet Christian within a matter of minutes. It is therefore not The Communist Party but our air force, our missiles, our Navy. And then you think, what are we doing that we would contemplate a situation of deterrence. It is madness. If your answer is no to the above, then we're not deterring anyone. If the Russians know you're not going to press the button, you're not deterring them. If we admit to ourselves that the moral basis for deterrence does not exist, and there isn't even a rational political basis, because it's not selective, you're not able to select parts for the mass murder. You're not just mass murdering everyone on Moscow or everyone in Leningrad. Those would be morally unacceptable, but politically acceptable to people who are not moral, but not rational at any level, because we're talking about the annihilation of human beings, then deterrence has a value only if the other side thinks we're mad. And this is the most chilling thought of all, which is discussed in The New Yorker article, which I'm sure some of you have read recently, in which what really deters the Soviets from attacking is that they don't know whether we're sane or not. If we're sane they could attack us because they would know we would not strike back with nuclear weapons. That is, they could launch a conventional attack and take West Berlin. If we're sane, we won't use nuclear weapons. But they don't know, we might be mad. What deters them is their fear that we might be mad. And what deters us from nibbling away at them, and you listen to Reagan and you realize that he would like to sort of liberate Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Cuba, Nicaragua. You know, he's liberated Grenada. Enormous active courage by the way, I must commend the president, for having, not personally of course, but in any event at a distance directed an invasion by a country with nuclear weapons of an island of 110,000 people, one of the monumental acts of courage that what will go down on this nation's record for eternity. If you realize that the reason we don't do those things is because the Russians might be mad enough to set off the button, and then you suddenly think what in the world are we about that the two sides are deterred because each side thinks the other might be insane. If they were sane they wouldn't use them. And we realize that peace is maintained by the inherent assumption that the leadership on both sides might be psychotic, and you begin to get nervous about what the implications are of a nuclear deterrent theory and why it was shot full of holes from the beginning. Deterrence had some very limited basis in the beginning when the Soviets had no weapons at all or very few as late as 1960 in the Cuban missile crisis, '62. The Russians had two or three intercontinental-range missiles and all that could've done was hit us maybe once and wiped out all of Europe, which we don't care much about in any case but that's all they could have done at that time. But in those situations you can say, \"Okay, deterrence has an immoral basis but some political validity.\" We can say to the Soviets, \"If you move into West Berlin, we will destroy your half of the world and you can't get us.\" Okay. But we have reached the point and reached it in the mid '60s. So it's been from the mid '60s to the mid '70s and now we're in the mid '80s, unless I'm miscounting, which is like 20 years now, we have been in a situation where what we're really saying is, \"Don't step on my toe, or I will blow my head off.\" That is not a rational position to hold politically. That's what nuclear deterrence means, don't step on my toe, or I will blow my head off. Because there's no way at the moment you can launch an attack on the Soviet Union without there launching an attack on us, and they don't even need to launch an attack on us. If you follow the discussion about the danger of nuclear winter, you are aware that there is a point beyond which even if only one side dropped the bombs and only a very limited number of bombs, we will move into what is considered the nuclear winter and life will cease as we know it both first in the North and then in the South. And I'm sure you've read about that, it's been in foreign affairs, it's not a secret document and it's not a crackpot document. Now if you look at some of the points I've made you begin to realize that those who are arguing for unilateral disarmament, may in fact be speaking somewhat rationally about walking away from a weapon that no one in their right mind is going to use. There is another thing which I think we ought to realize because you ask if we can trust the Russians and I heard this in a discussion at one point. Do you realize to what extent we trust the Soviet Union now? We trust them every minute. I'm trusting them and praying with all my heart as I'm talking to you, that they're going to be more responsible than Reagan has been so far. I'm hoping and praying that their computers work at least as well as ours. I'm hoping and praying that there is a vast espionage network linking the two countries conveying instantly any and all advances in computer networks so that the Soviets will be able to distinguish a flock of geese from a Pershing 2, and not fire on warning. We trust the Russian computer chips not to fail. We trust their leadership to be rational 24 hours a day. We trust them never to panic. Do you realize how much we trust the Soviet Union? Our survival now depends on a total trust in the Soviet Union not to do what they could do at any instant. They could press a button in Moscow and 30 minutes from now, before you can get out of here and go home, we would be gone, all of us. We're trusting they won't do that, and they're trusting we won't do that. And I don't trust either side not to make a mistake about doing that. Now, these are the reasons why I raised the question of unilateral disarmament. I'm gonna pull this to a close in the next 10 or less minutes. I know that unilateral disarmament is not a political policy. That is to say, I'm perfectly aware, I was not born yesterday, I'm not totally foolish. I know that the American people are not going to unilaterally disarm when the Soviets have those weapons, I'm aware of that. I'm aware that what I'm asking for, I'm calling for and arguing for, unilateral disarmament is a step so radical and so revolutionary, that it is possible only for individuals to undertake it. It's not a rational policy for a nation which has the weapons. It is a rational policy for nations that either do not have the weapons and therefore where the conventional defense is meaningless, because they're living in a nuclear world where that's what counts or for those nations, such as France and England, which look foolish to serious analysts for ever having built the damn things. I mean, any really serious military political analyst looks at the British and French governments and wonder whatever possessed them to build nuclear weapons and simply turn their countries into targets. Sweden had the debate decades ago and decided that they didn't wanna be that stupid. And they didn't build nuclear weapons and they can. Any country building nuclear weapons automatically moves up to the target level for the countries that have the weapons. So France and England are just not very bright at that level, and weren't when they made that decision and they could unilaterally disarm because no one is going to attack them with nuclear weapons. They will get attacked because they have them but not if they put them down. They are defended in geo-political terms by the Soviet-American nuclear shield. The Soviet Union is not gonna launch an attack on France or England, as long as we are armed. I know that, in the real political world, we provide that shield to Great Britain and to France, and the Soviet Union is aware of that. Nor does any country in Eastern Europe need nuclear weapons because they are under the Soviet nuclear shield, and I know that also. And Reagan can talk all he wants, he's not going to liberate Hungary or East Berlin or East Germany because they are shielded by Soviet nuclear power. So those countries can disarm unilaterally but our side does face a danger. If it disarms what happens? I admit that. Therefore what I'm talking about is the beginning of individuals taking positions that can lead to political decisions later. In political terms, we move forward multi-lateral disarmament and multilateral agreements, which is what will finally happen. That is, disarmament will come only multilaterally by the signing of multilateral agreements and treaties. We move there only as increasing numbers of individuals say they're opting out of the arms race, and it loses consensus within the nation. And the government realize it had better seek multi-lateral agreements while it can get them because it no longer has support for maintaining a nuclear posture. And it will then begin to negotiate seriously for a multilateral agreement. And that the paradox is that to the degree you have a strong, clear unilateral disarmament movement, you would reinforce and strengthen those movements such as the Freeze that are striving for bilateral or multilateral agreements. You also, I might add, provide them with a lightening rod, a genuine lightening rod, because Reagan had the goal when he came into office to say that Carter had unilaterally disarmed this country. And I'm trying tonight to at least show you what this person looks like and sounds like who's talking about unilateral disarmament. And I would like the Freeze to be able to say what they can't say now. I would like to Freeze to be able to say \"We are not for unilateral disarmament, those people are. That's what it looks like. Let them spell it out for you, we are much more rational.\" And I think we can create a more reasonable ground for political discussion if more of a say out of the arms race now and it makes the Freeze look positively modest, moderate, even reactionary as it becomes a very safe option. We need to explore... Three final points, we need to explore alternatives to violent defense and we haven't even begun this, and we can't do this tonight, but you can do this in the university structure here through your courses and through asking for assignment of different arrangement of courses. We need really to explore what non-violent civilian defense would look like. How it worked in India against the British, how it worked in Czechoslovakia against the Soviets and it failed, but it took weeks for the Soviets to extend control, how it would reckon today in Poland under Solidarność against the Polish government, how it worked in the South under Martin Luther King, and always when we discuss civilian non-violent resistance, the real question is not how it might work against the Soviet invasion, but how will it work against the most immediate threat we face Reagan and our Pentagon. 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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36660/file/105809/transcript/22880/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- Problems from time, or Canada, let me reverse that. Canada has problems with us. Mexico has had problems with us. All of Central America has problems with us. Many countries have problems with their neighbors, and maybe our neighbors need to spend more time learning about nonviolent resistance than we do, because we're the ones who are throwing our weight around. But certainly, wars will continue to take place. Can we find a way to deal with them in nonviolent terms? Can we find a way to move the international community toward ending the institution of war itself, and finding substitute forms? Now, I don't know how many, how many did read \"The New Yorker\" article by Schell, the three articles? Okay, at some point in the discussion period, or if you've read them, you don't even need to, you can ask, or think about, or go back and read them in the library, Schell's very interesting concept of the fact that even if we get rid of the weapons, they will always be there, and he's right about that. And I won't explore that at length, but I'll only make the observation that all pacifists, if their heads are screwed on right, know. We cannot ever erase E equals MC squared. Once we know it, once we've written it on a blackboard, we don't have one, and I don't wanna scribble on the pictures, but once we have conceptualized E equals MC squared, we cannot forget it. We cannot un-invent the ability to commit racial suicide. That was on the books from August 6th on. I mean, we have to understand what we're dealing with now. From August 6th on to the end of time, in an existential, or religious sense, from August 6, 1945 on, we are going to have the ability to self-destruct. That cannot be avoided. The question is learning to live with that ability. I submit to you as a pacifist that an arms race at the level we now confront it is insanity, clinical and pathological, and we cannot survive it. I submit to you now that we cannot abolish our knowledge of how to build the weapons, but we can abolish the weapons. I submit to you that the institution of war can be abolished, and for our survival, must be. Finally, I submit to you given the fact that we're trapped against our will, but, quiet, trapped against our, this a pause. I'll just tell you a quick story. I was in East Berlin a couple of years ago. We were having our meeting of the Pacifist International Council in West Berlin, and the East Berlin Peace Committee asked to send a delegation over, and we decided to do that, to talk with them, even though not all of our people from the council could even go into East Berlin, because some of them are banned from traveling into East Berlin, because we tend to support independent peace movements. So five of us walked across, or took the subway, whatever it is, into East Berlin. We sat down for this dinner to dialogue with the East German Peace Committee, the official committee, and I had this in my pocket, and right in the middle of dinner, we were into the discussion period, it of course went off. I mean, it does every hour. It goes chirp, chirp. And I think at that time I had the other one. I was wearing, using the other one, which goes chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp! And I just instinctively turned to my pocket , \"Quiet,\" and went on with the discussion. Myrtle Solomon, the chair of our organization, said afterwards, he said, \"David, you know, \"the Germans are convinced that you're in contact \"with the CIA. \"Who else talks to their shirt pocket \"in the middle of a dinner?\" In any event, to come to close, to close this down, we are in a very odd position, all of us here. We are both at the center of power, one of the two great powers, which it means that our options are very limited. We cannot unilaterally disarm. Even though I've advocated that course of action, it will not occur as a political course. Any candidate advancing that would be defeated. I know, I'm proof of that proposition. It is not a political course, because we are a power that has, traditionally, can be defended militarily. Yet, the other side of that is thank God we're where we are, because we're in the center of one of the two nuclear powers, and where, of all the places in the world you might live, what a marvelous and magnificent thing to live in that center of nuclear weapons, where there is relative freedom of action, as compared to the Soviet Union, much greater freedom of action, much easier to mobilize people, and therefore much more of a chance for your individual decisions to be convoluted. And therefore, I conclude by urging on you the beginning of individual withdrawal from the war institution, by where you work, by whether you pay all of your taxes willingly, and check the back table, for heaven's sake, I don't blame you if you pay your taxes, but withhold hold them by one day, or pay them a dollar short, or don't pay the phone tax, but some level of resistance. I mean, you don't have to wait until November to vote. You can vote every month by not paying the federal phone tax if you have a phone. Think of the ways in which you can disengage from the deterrent system. Think of, ask yourself whether you've been to see a member of Congress, and talk to him or her directly about our arms policy, and the fact that you don't want 25% cut in the budget. You want 100% cut from the budget, and he will think you're crazy, but it's important that he learn that he has crazy constituents that vote. That's what changes the positions of members of Congress is how many crazy constituents can vote. Those are the things I ask you to do, because that's what adds up at some point to a political change, with one addition, to support by your actions, and by your analysis, and by your words an international movement that supports the same kind of people in the Soviet and the Chinese spheres of influence, and is willing, without making a priority out of human rights that would prevent dialogue and discussion, and it becomes abrasive, to make it clear that while you do want to dialogue with the official committees, you insist on dialoguing also with the unofficial committees, that the movement that we are constructing here is not a political weapon under the control of the KGB. It is not some kind of ideological typical of, from Moscow, but in fact, our allies and our coworkers exist in East Germany, in Hungary, in Poland, in the Soviet Union itself, and I am convinced, in the People's Republic of China, and they will be strengthened by our willingness to make clear we're thinking in international terms, but reacting locally here in America. So I wanna stop at that point right there.\r\n\r\n- We have time for questions, and David has agreed to open the question period up to any issue. Of course, there will definitely be questions about what he spoke about tonight, but also anything else that you wanna ask David about, any other involvements or concerns, is also free to approach. I'm gonna run down and get that piece of paper for the sign-up list. So I'm sure David can field the first few questions while I go do that. So if anybody wants to sign up on the mailing list for the War Resisters League, or for the Ames Peace Network, we'll have a list in the back, and also the table. David?\r\n\r\n- Okay, questions, arguments, discussion, so. Yup.\r\n\r\n- Could you give us an example of the discouragement that the Pentagon's been issuing for, about defending the country?\r\n\r\n- That's a little bit hard to document because most of that is informal and off-the-record, and even I'm not in touch with them. But I can tell you that I had a letter some time ago now from a lieutenant colonel at the military academy, the Air Force Academy, this was several years ago, asking if I would outline the arguments for unilateral disarmament for his classes, and which I did, and we had some brief correspondence, which I wrote, not at great length, the arguments for unilateral disarmament, because, and it was a very friendly letter. It was not a hostile letter. Nothing more went on from that, because it's not advantageous to a military career to maintain very close contact with the pacifist movement, but it is worth noting the lieutenant colonel at the Air Force Academy wanted information for his classes for the academic discussions on the unilateral disarmament position, and had approached us. The second, at one point, the military had a study, or was discussing a study, of what were the circumstances under which surrender was the best option for this country, in terms of national interest. That, when the military forces found, not the Pentagon, when the military, and when the , I'm sorry, when the political forces found out that the military was engaged in a study of when surrender would be the best course, they cut that off instantly, because it was politically unacceptable. Now, there are, of course, other aspects to the military. I do not want to whitewash them. There is no question that there was very careful thought given in the early, late '40s and early '50s to a nuclear attack on the Soviet Union, as I am convinced, but cannot document that the Soviet Union gave very careful thought and attention to a nuclear attack on the People's Republic of China more recently, as they develop their nuclear facilities. I cannot prove that, by the way. They're rumors and reports, can't prove it. I'm convinced that the logic would suggest they must have had those discussions. I know we did. I know that in 1948, Secretary of Navy Matthews publicly called for a preventive nuclear war for peace on the Soviet Union. I know even, and no one else knows this anymore, because we've rewritten our own history, that Bertrand Russell, who was a great figure, and a major hero of our time, saw ahead clearly enough the dangers of a nuclear arms race that he said the West should give the Soviet Union an ultimatum to submit to a form of world government, and if it did not, launch a nuclear attack on the Soviet Union and compel the Soviet government to bend, that it was better for the wrong system, the Western one, 'cause Russell was not a capitalist, and he had been imprisoned in World War I as a CO. It was better for the wrong system to have a world government than to have an arms race, which would end up, in his very logical mind, with no people at all. It's hard for us to admit those things, and this is not answering your, I'm now straying, but well, pacifists, I need to remember that Albert Einstein, who was the honorary chair of the War Resisters League in the 1940s, I, or '30s, I've lost track of the date, but was genuinely affiliated or associated with my organization, is the one who wrote, with great hesitation and reluctance, but nonetheless wrote the letter to Franklin Delano Roosevelt saying that he had been advised by his coworkers that his letter would make a difference, and that he did think that a nuclear bomb could be developed, and it was Einstein's Zionism, in fact, he was Jewish, and deeply troubled by what was happening in Germany, that led him to do that. But I mean, I have to face that fact too. Having faced all of those things, I come back to the correspondence with the lieutenant colonel at the Air Force college and the aborted study on when surrender was a better national option than war. Beyond that, there's a veil of secrecy cast over these discussions in the Pentagon, because no one gets advanced for discussing the possibility of surrender, or disarmament. But if you talk to military men, you will find them generally, generally, more open to this than political men, partly because they know more about war than people such as Reagan, and they are, if you will talk to them, they are more troubled if they're thoughtful than political men who don't realize the issues. I can say the best thing to do is just to try it, to talk to people of the officer class, whose job was to do some thinking about that and who have. I'm sorry I cannot be more specific than that.\r\n\r\n- I'd like to ask you to talk a little about the connection between your commitment to pacifism, and, I'm sorry, your commitment to disarmament, and your commitment to socialism. Specifically, there are some analysis that say that our capitalist economy needs to have, well, like our president currently says our recovery is fueled by pumping deficit spending into the military , and there's so many powerful industrial interests that profit from this system. Do you think that disarmament in any form, unilateral or not, is really possible prior to implementation of socialism?\r\n\r\n- Well, I think there are two questions involved there. One of them is a question about the link between the capital structure and war, and as a socialist, I think there's a very strong link, and that one of the reasons I favor a socialist development is because it would remove one of the reasons for war, and one of the reasons I'm assigning a 75, 25% blame on the arms race is that the Soviet Union has less of an internal motive to push the arms race, and I would refer people here to the papers called \"The Nuclear Samizdat,\" by Roy and Zhores Medvedev, which is obtainable from \"The Nation\" magazine. Roy Medvedev is a dissident living in Moscow, a dissident Marxist historian, and Zhores, his brother, is a dissident living now in exile in London. The two of them wrote a paper for \"The Nation\" called \"Nuclear Samizdat,\" pointing out that the Soviet side of the arms race, while it's bureaucratic, and has an internal momentum of its own, does not have the economic base, and tends to produce redundant weapons, or the same weapons many times over, whereas we have a built-in tendency to technologically develop new weapon systems for cap, for capitalist reasons, for profit, profit incentive. And that's a worthwhile thing to look up. Having said that, however, I think Marxists have some thinking to do, which they haven't done. Marxists are very slow to do any creative thinking, and I'm being self-critical, because I'm a Marxist, and I know how hard it is for me to think. Thinking is always very painful. You may have to surrender some cherished belief that you had. That, the fact that China and the Soviet Union have major outstanding border conflicts, and they've had limited warfare along their borders, the fact that the Chinese invaded Vietnam, the fact that Vietnam invaded Kampuchea, and all of these countries have socialist or communist systems makes one realize that there are other bases of war than capitalism, and the effort by some contemporary Marxists to say, well, China's not really socialist, or Russia's not really socialist is a despicable evasion at the level of serious thought, that they're, none of those are capital structures. Whatever, I mean, it takes the most warped of Marxist thinking to explain it on that basis. So nationalism plays a role, and paranoia plays a role, and I've been in Kampuchea and I've been in Vietnam. I was there in '81 and the Viet, I've listened to the Vietnamese explanation for why they invaded Kampuchea. It's nonsense. I happen to be very pro-Vietnamese. I've been in Vietnam three times. I'm very profoundly pro-Vietnamese. I've been there during the war. I've been there after the war. I've been brainwashed by them. I found out that they're human, and so on. But they're just simply dead wrong on Kampuchea, which doesn't make Pol Pot right. That's a whole different, I mean, Pol Pot was , Pol Pot's a lesson, by the way, for those of us who are on the left. Pol Pot was not an agent of the CIA, or the KGB. Pol Pot was a Marxist who managed to kill, or cause the death, of about 2 million people, about 1/3 of the population of Kampuchea. And no one knows why. And in Saigon, I was meeting with some of the Vietnamese leadership, and we said one of them was the former ambassador to, oh, what is the capital city in Cambodia? Phnom Penh, he was an ambassador from Vietnam to Phnom Penh. And we said, you know, \"What was Pol Pot like?\" He said, \"Well,\" he said, \"Pol Pot used to ask me \"to bring in kilos of Marx with me when I came,\" that Pol Pot thought he was going to be the new Lenin, the new Mao, that he was going to develop a new breakthrough, and he said, \"Bring in kilos of Marx.\" I mean, he's gonna read all of this, and develop this new, and in the course of this, and if you visit the death camps in Phnom Penh, or Tuol Sleng, I can't pronounce it correctly, you have a horror here which is matched really only by Nazi Germany, in terms of the systemic nature of the killing and the systematic way in which they did it. Also, one of the things which makes me a pacifist in the midst of being a Marxist is that as you go through Tuol Sleng and look at the photographs, something returns to haunt you. Pol Pot, his people, the executioners, took pictures of all of those that they killed. They're Polaroid pictures, and they're on all the walls. The Vietnamese, when they came in, found these pictures, and they had them all over the walls, including one famous Cambodian who had gone back to Phnom Penh from the United States to help with the revolution, to help rebuild the society, and then was killed, and his picture was there too. So in one room are all these pictures and many of them are children. I mean, many of them, of course, are people my age, or older, or younger, then you go into another room and you see the pictures that they had taken for their own files of the executioners, of those in charge of the killing, the torture and the killing. They are also Cambodians. They are all young, and they all look identical to the victims, except for the age, and the fact they have on black caps. And you realize with this terrible sense that unless you know which room is which that the victims and the executioners look the same, and I have to be committed to a Marxism that is not seeking to make victims out of people and totally refuses to be an executioner. That's an aside. On the central question, I think if we say that we must have a socialist revolution before we can have disarmament, that's a risky proposition. I wouldn't wanna put in that position, I wouldn't wanna be put in that position. I think if we say that it is important for those of you here who are not socialist, which is probably a majority, because I know that my party doesn't have this many members here at Ames, if we say that you should really examine the economic relationship of foreign policy to war for all countries, but particularly for this country, then I think that's a very sound thing to do, and that's one of the areas where the Freeze, which is very powerful in many ways, is failing, is failing to make basic connections as to why we intervene. But that wasn't my topic tonight, and I took a very, I'm not apologizing, but I took a very selective approach to the thing, and left out the economic engines that cause us to intervene in Vietnam and in Nicaragua and El Salvador. But I would come back to saying that doesn't explain altogether why the Soviets intervened in Afghanistan. And I know that is also complex, but I know it well enough to know that it still doesn't explain why they intervened. They don't have any economic interest, and it sure doesn't explain the Chinese Vietnamese Kampuchean tragedy, and it is a tragedy, which all of us who are friends of all of those people over there do well try, to try not to take sides, that is, to try to talk to the Vietnamese or the Chinese, without taking sides. If, you know, I mean, without condemning the Chinese, trying to hear them also. That's the best I can do on that, okay? You can ask it, you can come back, 'cause no one else has got their hand up.\r\n\r\n- You said you just came from Malta, and the Freeze was at the Malta Conference-\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I was very angry at the Freeze.\r\n\r\n- Yeah-\r\n\r\n- I don't want to, I mean, I, see, I understood before I went to Malta that Libya had a hand in the Malta Conference, and I had learned about the Malta Conference in January when a friend of mine with whom I worked for years, and I have total confidence in her, we're old political allies, and as part of the Non-Aligned network, I mean, the World Peace Council, the Soviets have their network, and the American government has its network, and a few of us have managed to maintain a fragile, without any money, Non-Aligned network, which is confusing to people, because no one runs us. Well, I've known Sheila for some time, and Sheila called me and said that there was a conference in Malta on whether the liberation and the peace movements could be linked. She thought it might have some Libyan money behind it. There were air tickets for about six Americans. Could I go, and could I think of some others to go from the center of the peace movement? And I suggested the Freeze, and several other centrist organizations, because I thought that's what they wanted, and the Freeze sent someone. Now, there is no question that the Libyans had money. We were staying at a hotel, a very lovely first-class hotel, all expenses paid in Malta, which was built by the Libyans. I mean, it has a plaque on the outside, this hotel was built by the Libyan Development Foundation, or whatever. Okay. I've been at a lot of conferences. I've been at Japanese conferences when my way was paid to the Japanese conferences by the Japanese Communist Party, and I knew that. And I traveled Aeroflot, which is a Soviet airline, which means that I, which means that they got a discount from the Soviet government. I've been in Vietnam in '71 at the expense of the Vietnamese government, because they didn't have tourists in '71. In '81, I raised the money from people in the WRL to pay my way, but in '71, you know, and a lot of people have been a lot of places when the way was paid. You know, if the Israelis had a conference tomorrow on peace in the Middle East, the Freeze would be there, not to be negative, but they'd be there. But Libya is a dangerous word, because Gaddafi is, we've had an image of Gaddafi in the West build up, and the Freeze panicked. The representative of the Freeze wanted to turn around, and dash out, because someone here would find out that he'd been at a conference with Libyan money. Well, I was really angry, because, A, he works very pacifist organization. He could easily have said list me from that organization, not from the Freeze. And the job of the pacifist is to witness, to speak truth, and to listen. And I can do that under any circumstances. And he could have done that, instead of panicking. But third, if you're really serious about trying to talk with developing countries and deal with conventional war, why panic if Libya, which we say is guilty of terrorism, we've made that charge, or the government made that charge? Why not leap at the chance of going to a conference and actually talking to the Libyans? And the reason I was angry at the Freeze person is that all of the Europeans there and the Freeze were running around muttering about Libyan money, and I went over to the Libyans, and I said, \"You know, there are some charges that have been raised \"about Libya, about the funding of the conference, \"about the arrangements, and can some of us meet tonight \"and talk with you about these?\" And they said, \"Yes, of course.\" So I went and told all of the people that raised the questions, and I said, \"I set up a meeting tonight with the Libyans.\" So three of us came, and the Freeze wasn't there. Neither were some of the others who had raised the most questions. I was there, and two others. Now, I was really angry about what I felt was a sudden fear, and the Freeze was not alone. Many of the North Europeans had the same fear that the third world had done something, which we hadn't controlled. And they were really panicked. It wasn't our network. How did this happen? How did these people all get there? I mean, it was Libyan money. Yes, it was, a good chunk of it, some Austrian money, some German money. And there was in the course of those four days a debate between Phil Berrigan and Ernesto Cardenal on violence and nonviolence, and there was very blunt discussion on violence and non-violence, and a willingness to continue that discussion, to establish a framework. And as soon as I get the list of names and addresses, I'll send them a packet of material from the War Resisters League outlining why we do not support wars of violent liberation, and want to advocate nonviolence. And I felt, I thought, think the Freeze, if it's going to grow up and function in a world where it's going to cope with conventional war has to get its feet wet at some point, and if it gets attacked in this country by some forces, in this most immediate case, by the more establishment Jewish community for being involved with Libya, I think some communities have to grow. Also, on the, while I'm on Libya, you may probably have heard here that there was a Libyan air attack on Khartoum in the Sudan last week. An unmarked bomber of a type owned by Libya flew over Khartoum, not , whatever it is, flew over some city in the Sudan and dropped a bomb, killed five people, and this was a Libyan bomber. Everybody knew it, and the Libyans categorically denied it. But we, everyone knew it was a Libyan bomber, and we said so, and Reagan sent two AWACS immediately, and he's very good at sending AWACS. And met , I, that's not an unknown story. I assume that you've heard here about the point. Now, the New York, the London \"Times,\" when I got to London on the way back to Malta, the London \"Times,\" and I don't know if it was reported here, their correspondent in Sudan said that in fact the assessment in Sudan was that it was a Sudanese bomber, and the target in the Sudan was not the building that it hit, but the building across the street, which had the chief political opposition to the head of the country. It just missed, and landed across the street, but he said in Sudan the consensus among observers on the ground was that it was a Sudanese bomber. That's why it didn't have any markings. They could blame Libya. Now, I don't think that got carried in this country, and I know Reagan wouldn't have read it anyway. If you had told him, it would have bothered his preconceptions. So Libya has gotten, I think, in some cases, unjustly accused, but if it's been just the accused, let's dialogue directly with it. Why, I mean, I, so what is bugging me is people will rush off to Moscow to talk to the official Soviet Peace Committee, which I think is good, by the way. I don't have any problems about doing that. I think that's fine. I've talked to the official Soviet Peace Committee too. I'm not knocking it, but people will do that, but they won't talk with the groupings, such as Libya, which have been identified as bad. Well, Moscow's bad too. And so is the State Department, and I'm irritated at groups which work in an establishment framework, which want only these two power leads to get together, and then panic when people down below do any actual dialoguing of their own. That's what my irritation is about, and the irritation flows back to the demonstrations in October, when a large number of organizations called for demonstrations on the cruise Pershing, and I had written an addendum, which was adopted by all of the organization sponsoring that, except the Freeze, which said that while we're focusing on the Pershing cruise, we cannot ignore the interventions occurring at this time, and the danger of those pose of leading to nuclear war, whether those interventions are in Afghanistan, in Lebanon, or in Central America, so what you couldn't say we were being just anti-American, and that we defended the right of every nation to seek its self-determination, and the right to non-alignment, hardly a pro-Soviet position. The Freeze would not sign onto that. Now, that ticks me off, because there is a link between conventional war and nuclear war, and I think that the Freeze needs some heat from the grassroots to move it politically. I also have questions about an organization that has Colby on the list of sponsors. But that shows my narrowness of mind, and my inability to forget the past. Okay?\r\n\r\n- Other questions? Okay, if not, I wanna thank you all for coming. And remind you again about the literature in the back, and any, if you wanna talk to David individually, I'm sure he'll have some time to do that. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36660/file/105809#t=0.0,1792.632"}]}]}]}