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lifetime","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46861/file/120256#t=2812.39,2813.85"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46861/file/120256/transcript/31390/annotation/1026","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with respect to his slaves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46861/file/120256#t=2813.85,2815.42"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46861/file/120256/transcript/31390/annotation/1027","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So let's look at 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This evening at eight o'clock in the sunroom, Anthony Podesta and Robert Grant will be presenting their positions on religion and politics, where do we draw the line. Anthony Podesta is president of the People For the American Way. Robert Grant is chairman of the Christian Voice. Tomorrow at noon, another debate in the sunroom discussing pornography and law, civil rights or censorship. Patricia Hearle and Gene Barkley. Patricia is the associate general council for the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Ms. Barkley is the co-founder and director of Pornography Resource Center. Today's speaker, Charles Griswold, is an associate professor of philosophy at Howard University in Washington D.C. He is the author of \"Self-Knowledge in Plato's Phaedrus\" from Yale University Press in 1986, as well as numerous articles published in a wide variety of scholarly journals. Dr. Griswold has also contributed to the editorial pages of newspapers such as the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal. He has lectured widely in the United States on topics as diverse as Greek philosophy, the aesthetics of architecture, German idealism, and the American founding. Dr. Griswold is the recipient of awards and fellowships from the American Catholic Philosophical Association, the Earhart Foundation, the American Council of Learned Societies, the Reason Foundation, and the National Endowment for the Humanities. With the support of various grants, he has spent a portion of last year working on the American founding and on Thomas Jefferson in particular. During the 1986-87 year, he is working with the support of an NEH college teachers fellowship on the thought of Adam Smith, particularly Smith's notion of the self as well as Smith's relationships to both the American founding and the classical philosophy. Dr. Griswold last lectured at Iowa State on March 27th, 1984 as part of a program on architecture and aesthetics. The paper he delivered then, a paper on the Vietnam veterans memorial and the Washington Mall, has since been published in the Critical Inquiry. Please welcome Dr. Charles Griswold.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much. It's nice to be back and an honor to be included in this program. The body of the Constitution does not use the word slave or slavery. However, three passages in that text as originally ratified advert to the institution. The first passage stipulates the so-called Three-Fifths rule according to which other persons, that is to say Black persons, are to be counted as fractions for the purpose of apportioning taxation and representation of their masters. The second allusion in the body of the Constitution to slavery prohibits congress from interfering with the importation of quote \"persons\", unquote, into states then existing for 20 years after the ratification of the document. The third implied reference to slavery is the so-called fugitive slave clause as it's popularly called. Now the Constitution might therefore be read as a document that affirms the degradation of an entire race of humans to the level of things. And the American founding might correspondingly be understood as lacking all moral force, originating instead in brute force and verbal agreements in contrast of a small number of white males. Now such essentially was the interpretation of Supreme Court Justice Taney in the famous Dred Scott decision. It was also the interpretation of apologists for slavery such as John C. Calhoun. And in recent times, I think, of not a few interpreters of American history. Especially those who accept the thesis that self-interest narrowly understood is the mainspring of human action. This interpretation however of the Constitution requires among other things that the Constitution be understood in isolation from the Declaration of Independence. That document articulates the great moral truths, the laws of nature and of nature's God, which in the views of the likes of Jefferson, Madison, and Lincoln, underlie the Constitution. According to that view, one which I'm personally drawn to, the meaning of the word justice in the preamble to the Constitution lies in the teachings of the Declaration. Accepting the thesis that the Constitution represents the means and imperfect means to the end stated in the Declaration does not, however, by itself guarantee that the implied references to slavery in the Constitution can be condemned within the framework of the American founding. Justice Taney argued that since the office of the Declaration, including its primary author Thomas Jefferson, owned slaves, they could not have intended the propositions of the Declaration to apply to Black people. For had they so intended them to apply, the argument runs, they would have immediately emancipated their slaves and devoted them to extirpating the institution of slavery. Now it's an easily demonstrable fact that Jefferson, and I'm going to focus on him, since he's the principle author of the Declaration of Independence, did believe that the propositions of the Declaration about equality and natural right apply to Black people. Its essential purpose of this paper, to examine in the light of that fact, Jefferson's position with respect to both his ownership of slaves and his stance towards the institution of slavery as a whole. So two distinct levels. Since the basic moral principle that slavery is wrong is admitted by Jefferson, as well as by contemporary critics of Jefferson, and not again by people like Calhoun, it might seem that the apparent contradiction between Jefferson's words and deeds on the issue of slavery is of interest to psychologists primarily. See, he says one thing and he does something else. Could say, well that's just a psychological issue. Such, however, has not been the case and for a very good reason. The nub of the debate about Jefferson and slavery, which is a very old debate, turns on philosophical issues central to ethics. In particular, the debate turns on the assumptions one is entitled to make in answering the question, how should I act? How ought I act in an imperfect world? The question assumes a split between the world and morality. The longstanding debate about the morality or immorality of Jefferson's position on the slavery issue is really a debate about how morality and reality ought to mesh. And that's a philosophical issue. Jefferson explicitly argues that his not acting according to pure moral principle, that is to say, in his own case, his not immediately emancipating all of his slaves, and his not opposing slavery publicly at every possible moment is the moral thing to do under the circumstances. Stated more specifically then, the purpose of this lecture is to articulate, sometimes in ways that Jefferson himself did not articulate, his theory of moral action. And then to judge his deeds with respect to slavery. Now there are two levels again to be considered here which have to be kept separate. The first level concerns Jefferson's stance relative to his own slaves. And the second concerns his stance relative to the institution of slavery. I'll proceed by considering briefly several of the most important systems of ethics so as to better locate Jefferson within traditional philosophical categories. Then I'll give you a brief tour of what I understand to be Jefferson's moral theory. Where you have a divergence between theory and practice, or between morality and the world, there are at least three responses that you can take. First you could reject the theory. In the instant case, this would amount to asserting that Jefferson did not really believe his stated views to the effect that Blacks are equal to Whites in the decisive respect, that slavery is evil and so-on and so-forth. So you could say he said one thing and he did another, but they're not really in contradiction because he didn't really believe what he said. This way of reconciling theory and practice was taken up by the later positive good advocates of slavery such as John C. Calhoun. So as far as I know, I hope this is true, no contemporary scholar's maintained that Jefferson should be interpreted along those lines. Secondly, one could reject practice. Now here that would mean refusing to acknowledge that one's own practice of slave owning for example really falls under the general moral principle that slavery is evil. That is, this second alternative amounts to self deception, hypocrisy, or what the existentialist philosophers called bad faith. So you say slavery is evil. I admit that I own slaves. That's not really all that bad. Okay, so hypocrisy. Now Jefferson has been accused many times of resolving the divergence between theory and practice in that way. Finally, one could claim that the inconsistency between theory and practice strictly speaking cannot be resolved in either of the ways I've mentioned. If owning slaves is evil and if I own slaves, strictly speaking, I'm doing something evil. On this account, the most we can do is honestly to acknowledge the evil and then try to bring one's practice up to the level of one's theory. Now there are two competing accounts of how that's to be done. That is to say, about what the moral thing to do is in an imperfect world. The first we might call the Kantian approach after the philosopher Kant. And the second, let us call the prudential approach. Now I'll argue that Jefferson accepts a version of the second way of reconciling theory and practice, or bringing his practice up to the level of his theory. The longstanding debate about the morality of Jefferson's actions with respect to slavery tends to mirror the old philosophical debate between Kantians on the one hand and what I'll call Prudentialists on the other hand. Now let's look quickly at the Kantian view. First of all, it's classic position in ethics. This perspective holds that moral judgments depend primarily on universal rules or what Kant calls categorical imperatives. The objectivity of a moral judgment depends on us being able to be made into a universal statement like one of the 10 commandments. If it holds for me alone, for example if you were to say to yourself, it is permitted for me to own slaves, but it is evil for anyone else to do so, then you've uttered what Kant calls a maxim of self-interest. You say rationalizing your own position. In Kant's language, self-interest amounts of self-love as he puts it, or the pursuit of your private subjective feelings of happiness or pleasure. All of which is a purely empirical matter related to your particular desires and is entirely contingent on the circumstances surrounding the satisfaction of your desires. The morality, by contrast with all of that, the morality of an act lies for Kant in the intention of the agent to act according to a universal moral law that doesn't admit of exceptions. And without regard to the possible computation of consequences of your action. And it is from this standpoint that Kant develops his famous critique of prudence. He says, skill and the choice of means to his own greatest wellbeing, to a person's greatest wellbeing, is called prudence in the narrowest sense. Prudence and prudential moral theories of action amount to simply the calculation of what's in the interest of your private desires, okay. That's not moral according to Kant. One of his formulations of the categorical imperative, which as I said sounds like one of the 10 commandments, goes as follows. Act as to treat humanity, whether in thine own person or in that of any other, in every case as an end. Never as a means to your private desires. Among what Kant calls the attacks on the freedom and property of others that most obviously violate this principle of humanity or treating people as ends rather than as means is slavery. And Kant's discussions about slavery leave no doubt whatever that he thinks this is an utterly immoral practice. And that the moral response to do would be to disengage oneself from it without regard to the possible consequences of one's actions. It is immoral to do, therefore one doesn't do it. Now Jefferson's moral theory is not Kantian. Indeed, Kant explicitly criticizes the moral theories of Epicurus, Hutcheson, and Hume that influenced Jefferson's position. Whether or not Jefferson had himself read Kant, I believe it's accurate to say that he understood the basic thrust of Kantian moral theory as well as its implications for his position on slavery. The Kantian approach to moral action was represented. Although in a form that Kant would have partly rejected. By some of the religious abolitionists in Jefferson's own time such as the Quakers. Especially by abolitionists inspired by evangelical religion. Jefferson was very critical of evangelical religious movements. Let's turn therefore to the second model of ethics, ethical action. Instead of the Kantian, let's look at what you might call the prudential, or prudentialist view of action. That Jefferson's notion of morality was thoroughly infused with notions of prudence is evident from the reasons he gave for his position on the slavery issue. He approached that issue, among others, with a mind of a practicing statesman informed by a thorough knowledge of Western history and so by a sense of what is and what is not possible to accomplish fruitfully at any given moment. The history of philosophy however offers us two possible conceptions of how you would go about acting prudently and in essence morally. And it's very important to understand the difference between these two concepts of prudence in order to locate Jefferson's view correctly, which is necessary for us if we're going to criticize it accurately. Let's look at one subcategory of prudential ethical action. Let's call this the Aristotelian view of prudence. Now this view is presented by Aristotle in the Nicomachean Ethics and the politics books which Jefferson had read in Greek. Aristotle's word for prudence is the Greek word phronesis. A term that has the connotation in Greek of practical wisdom. The person who possesses phronesis, prudence or practical wisdom according to Aristotle, possesses the quality of moral wisdom, which is the goal of all of moral education. The prudent person is able to make his or her appetites, to rule his or her appetites, and to make wise decisions on the basis of a knowledge of the circumstances, to act virtuously. The prudent person knows how to make the right choice after deliberating well. And the statesman, according to Aristotle, exhibits prudence in the highest degree. Cleverness, by contrast, is the capacity, according to the Aristotle, to find the means to any goal whether the goal is good or not. So you can be a very clever Nazi, right. But you couldn't be a prudent Nazi according to Aristotle. Cleverness thus corresponds to what Kant termed prudence. Mere calculation towards subjective ends. But for Aristotle, to repeat, prudence exists only when the good is aimed at. And thus only in a person who knows what is good. Prudence is not a skill or an art for Aristotle. It's not a art of production because its end is not other than itself in the way that the statue for example is other than the art of sculpting and the sculptor. Correspondingly, the deliberations that constitute prudence are not calculations about the means for attaining the goal of happiness in the usual sense of means. The virtues which prudence brings to fruition are not valued for their utility relative to the goal of individual happiness. Rather the practice of what Aristotle calls prudential virtue or moral wisdom is happiness. Nor, he continues, is phronesis or prudence a species of theoretical knowledge, the objects for him of theoretical knowledge being invariable like numbers. So prudence for Aristotle is the ability to know what to do next in a given situation relative to virtue or excellence and the highest goal of happiness. Now this notion of virtue, prudence of deliberation, is crucially dependent on a theory of what Aristotle calls soul. And so on the views that the soul, or that we would call it the self, has distinct parts to which a hierarchy belongs by nature. And it is in debt to the view that the soul's nature must be understood teleologically as goal-oriented by nature, as being more or less capable of perfection. And this whole view of prudence is also dependent on a distinction between different kinds of knowledge. Theoretical knowledge, practical knowledge, and productive knowledge. And all of that depends the very complicated metaphysics of the qualities of various entities in the cosmos. The evidence for interpreting Jefferson's notion of prudential morality in Aristotelian terms is I think fairly slim. Jefferson does mention happiness. And happiness is a very crucial term for us all because happiness is the summum bonum, the highest goal of action. Jefferson does mention happiness in the Declaration in a sense that strikingly alters Locke's famous reference to life liberty and estate. I refer to the enumeration of, the incomplete enumeration, of natural rights in the Declaration, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And that you might say is Aristotelian and a lot of people do maintain that. Reliance furthermore on what you might call civilized moral judgment, which is so crucial in Aristotle's ethics, might also be said to parallel Jefferson's reliance on what Jefferson calls moral sense. But the meaning that Jefferson attaches to happiness cannot be that which Aristotle attaches to it. For the simple reason that all of the complicated metaphysical views that make sense of Aristotle's notion of happiness, above all, the notion that human nature is to be characterized in terms of soul, and that the nature of the soul is to be understood telelogically. None of these assumptions are shared by Jefferson. By happiness, Jefferson means not activity in accordance with virtue, which is Aristotle's definition. He means rather, I think, tranquility of mind. And that's a concept of happiness, tranquility of mind, that Jefferson takes from Epicurus, the Greek philosopher. The core difference between Aristotle and Jefferson, to restate this point, centers on their notions of nature. A term that is very important in the American founding and as you know occurs in the Declaration of Independence. And therefore on human nature, unlike Aristotle, Jefferson does not, I think, view nature teleologically. The sense of nature intended in the famous reference to the laws of nature in the Declaration must be understood I think as a statement of fact rather than of goal. I'll say more about this in a second. The description of human nature, the description of what human nature is, is for Jefferson analogous to a biologist's description of an object. It is the specification of the attributes possessed fully by all members of the class of entities being examined. And let us recall furthermore that for Aristotle, prudential moral action, phronesis, is fully compatible with what Aristotle calls natural slavery. Aristotle was not an Egalitarian and could not subscribe to the teaching that Jefferson takes to be self-evident, namely that all men are created equal. Now, intimately bound up with Jefferson's notions of natural equality and natural rights is the view that the individual constitutes the basic unit of politics. This doesn't mean that Jefferson is a radical egoist or a Hobbesian. I don't think that's the case at all. But it does mean that the purpose of the political association is in the final analysis that of securing, to use the word from the Declaration, the securing of the individual's freedom to live out his own unique life as he or she sees fit. The priority of the individual is particularly evident in Jefferson's arguments for the freedom of religion. Now this could not be said for Aristotle whose teleological view of human nature leads him to propose that the political association logically antedates the individual in that it provides, indeed actively provides, the context within which a human being can become fully human, fully what it means to be human. So for Aristotle, the political association is not legitimized in terms of any notion of individual rights. In fact it's arguable that there's no word for rights in the Greek, in Aristotle's Greek. Or in terms of a notion of social contract. And Aristotle does not work from a state of nature theory of the sort that seems assumed by the Declaration. So for all of those reasons, let's agree that Jefferson's notion of morality as prudential is not to be understood in an Aristotelian way. So let's turn to the second model of morality. Let's call it the Epicurean. In a letter to William Short of 1819, Jefferson says, as you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurean. And he then proceeds to show why Short's understanding of Epicurus, which is a widespread one today also, is fundamentally wrong in its equation of indolence with happiness. Jefferson provides a fairly accurate summary of the teachings of Epicurus. In it we are told that happiness, understood as tranquility or freedom from mental anxiety, is the aim of life, so what everybody really wants, tranquility. The summum bonum, the highest good, is achieved by what Epicurus and Jefferson called virtue. The test of which is its utility, its ability, that is, to bring about mental tranquility. The choice of virtue or vice, that is of that which is useful or useless for happiness, is up to the individual. Man is a free agent in this scheme. The four Epicurean virtues that Jefferson goes on to list are prudence as opposed to folly, temperance, fortitude, and justice. Prudence is, as Jefferson stresses, the main Epicurean virtue. Knowing how to get yourself to that highest goal which is tranquility of mind. And Epicurean claims that an adherent to this teaching will be perfectly just. For an Epicurean will recognize that injustice is simply not worth the price in terms of mental tranquility. So too with the pursuit of wealth, prestige, and by the way physical pleasure. All of which, Epicurus says, are not conducive to mental tranquility and therefore are wrong. Tranquility is not just happiness, but also self-sufficiency. The greatest fruit of which, according to Epicurus, is freedom. Now, if you accept something like that you can ask, well what does prudence really come down to for that perspective? It's not the crown of the moral virtues, as Aristotle put it. It's not the fulfillment of what it means to be human. It's simply the capacity to calculate the best available means to the end of happiness. And consequently, since one's own happiness is tied to the happiness of others, see, prudence is also the way, also the means to calculating how to, if you could put it in this way, maximize the general happiness. It's a utilitarian doctrine. And Jefferson furthermore shared Epicurus' materialism. In a letter to John Adams of 1820, Jefferson says that the only existence that he admits to are those of matter and the void. And that is only basis for knowledge of the world is sensation. Thought, he says, is to be explained in material terms. And Jefferson was very excited by some experiments that were being done in his time, which attempted to show the dependence of thought and the emotions on parts of the brain. He says, and I quote, when once we quit the basis of sensation, all is in the wind. To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial is to say that they are nothings. Or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise. But I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart, unquote. That's from Jefferson. And he attributes, by the way, what he calls the heresy of immaterialism, the view that there's an immaterial soul. Jefferson attributes this to the efforts of the interpreters of Christ to establish a power base for governing the multitudes. Now, Epicurus' theory is purely a descriptive one. He takes it as a fact that happiness is what everybody really desires. And he infers that it is the summum bonum, the highest good, by which all actions are to be judged. Now Jefferson also speaks of natural rights, unlike Epicurus. And this leads to the next question in my sketch of Jefferson's philosophy if you like. How can a theory of natural right, which presumably has normative content, be generated from a materialistic theory, such as that of Epicurus, which describes what is rather than what ought to be the case? Can you generate a theory of natural rights from observations about human nature conceived of non-teleologically, and without reference to revealed religion or metaphysics? Now let me pursue those questions under two further headings. First let us ask, how did Jefferson's Epicureanism and his Christianity mesh with each other? And how did they mesh with his notion of moral sense, his notion of history, and his objections to revivalist religion? And also, what does he mean after all by natural right? What does he mean by nature? Jefferson claimed that Epicurus' teachings were not perfect. They were very good but they needed to be supplemented, as he put it, by the teachings of Jesus properly understood. Now it's clear that orthodox Christianity and Epicurean philosophy don't mesh. And orthodox Christians have traditionally detested Epicureans. It's a long history of warfare between these camps. Jefferson claims that he is a true Christian and an Epicurean. And he overcomes the apparent contradiction by stripping Christianity of everything in it that sounds mystical, implies revelation, implies a violation of observable natural law. Violations, I'm using his words now, such as miracles. Which are, you know, by definition violations of observable law. The virgin birth, the divinity of Christ. Anything that implies that religion contains truths inaccessible to a sensible and reasonable person. And anything that implies that the divine is a mystery, including for Jefferson the doctrine of the trinity. Now if you take all of that away from Christianity, you might well wonder what's left. And a lot of people did wonder. And according to Jefferson what's left is the moral essence of Christianity, which is, according to him, the praiseworthy virtues of benevolence, sympathy, humility, charity, and a condemnation of worldly ambition, honor, and the pursuit of wealth. That's what remains. That true Christian, and please, these are his terms not mine. The true Christian teaching... I plan to leave here alive. You know, in effect amounts to the affirmation of what Jefferson calls the moral sense doctrine. And that doctrine is compatible with atheism as defined from a conventional perspective. Jefferson presents what he calls a moral sense doctrine. See moral sense is a label that's pinned on this philosophical doctrine. He presents that moral sense doctrine as antithetical to the thesis that the basis of morality is self-love or egoism. That you do whatever you do in order to satisfy your subjective desires. Jefferson doesn't agree with that. And he thinks that the moral sense doctrine, which is basically the doctrine that morality consists in those, the true Christian virtues as he calls them. All in the service of the final goal of tranquility of mind, which is the Epicurean goal. He thinks all of that contradicts this other Hobbesian idea that human beings act simply out of narrow self-interest and egoism. And he thinks in fact it's just a matter of empirical fact that human beings do occasionally act out of genuine regard for other people. So the moral sense view, and Jefferson says he accepts the moral sense view, can easily be integrated into the Epicurean view in the way that Jefferson suggests in yet another letter. Namely through a broad notion of egoism, which he attributes to yet another philosopher to add to your list, Helvetius. The performance, just to summarize the point quickly, of moral acts with regard to others gives us according to this moral sense view pleasure in a psychological sense. Benevolence, the true Christian virtue for Jefferson, is pleasurable for its giver as well as its recipient. Christianity, to repeat, in that sense as reduced really to the virtues of benevolence and the like, does not require, again, an abandonment of materialism. At least Jefferson didn't think so. Or of any of the other doctrines that are associated with Epicurus. For Epicurus then, as for Jeffersonian Christianity, there are no divine commandments, no categorical imperatives a la Kant, no ah-prah-gory decision procedure for solving moral problems, no general moral loss. There is a summum bonum, happiness, whose content is communicated to us by a moral sense, which is very close to common sense for Jefferson, and whose achievement requires prudence. That is to say, deliberative reason. Now a number of the abolitionist movements active during Jefferson's life were sustained by an interpretation of Christianity that didn't leave much room for prudential moral action. I refer in particular to the Quakers, as I said, and to various evangelical and revivalist sects that grew out of the Great Awakening. Sin came to be interpreted by these groups as self-centeredness and greed. Both being at the heart of slave-owning. Salvation required first of all profound inner changes. And secondly, a uncompromising opposition to slavery. Acting in accordance with the true Christian principle of salvation for these groups therefore meant personal as well as political opposition to slavery. With respect to the meaning of what it is to act morally in an imperfect world. That is that revivalist anti-slavery movements offered a religious version of Kant's moral theory. Now since Jefferson, as I've sketched out, didn't accept the doctrines of revelation of sin, salvation, the last judgment and so forth, Jefferson didn't feel compelled to abandon his doctrine of prudential action when confronted by, and he was confronted by, these various religious groups on the issue of slavery. And a number of them wrote to him and said, you know, why don't you emancipate your slaves now, or tomorrow morning at the latest? So he was confronted with this explicitly. His optimistic views about the course of history are also important to understanding how he could adopt what I've been calling this prudential theory of action. Since prudence as Jefferson understands it is the calculation of contingent events, he needs a philosophy of contingency that tells him not just whether patterns of events exist through time but whether improvement in the patterns can be expected as the result of intelligent choice. The very reasonableness of Jeffersonian prudence depends on the assumption not just that causes are connected to effects in some nullable way, but to put it loosely, that the vast network of interconnected events in life is structured in such a way that it is rational to expect that prudent action will most probably lead to desirable results. That's the view of history that Jefferson accepted. And that view is closely tied to his view of prudence, especially with respect to the slavery issue. Assuming as he did that things would eventually get better made it possible for him to postpone taking any radical steps immediately to free his own slaves. Or to campaign vigorously for a universal emancipation and so-forth. So as components of this view, keep in mind this is what I've called this philosophy of history of his is essentially optimistic view. Now let's turn quickly to the issue of nature, natural law and natural right. What does he mean by those terms? Now Jefferson clearly didn't think that it was possible to provide a metaphysical interpretation of nature or of right. His Epicureanism and his demythologized Christianity rule out a theological interpretation of these terms. Jefferson sees in nature a basis for both science and morality. And the phrase laws of nature is used by him in both contexts. Never with any indication to substantially different senses of law or of nature might be at work. So he'll speak of, you know, Newton discovering laws of nature and then he'll speak of moral laws of nature. And this brings us to the connection between morality and the laws of nature. This connection between morality and laws of nature is effected for Jefferson through an observation about how human beings are constituted. According to Jefferson, nature has created us in such a way that we possess a moral sense. That is a faculty or a characteristic which you might also call conscience or moral sentiments to use the 18th century phrase. Moral sense according to this doctrine pervades all human beings, or nearly all. And it affords us the perception basically of the difference between right and wrong or good and evil. The perception of the difference between right and wrong, and everything I'm saying is meant to be simply, as it were, a scientific observation about how human beings are built. The perception of the difference between right and wrong on this theory carries great psychological force. Right and wrong are simply felt to be naturally so. You know, kicking babies is just universally regarded as evil, right. So it's just pre-reflective natural moral sentiments. Part of what it means to be a human being is to understand that. It's part of the moral sense. The laws of nature observable to science, including the scientific anthropologist and the historian have produced an entity we call man, or human person, who believes in the laws of nature in the moral sense of the phrase. Jefferson maintains, that is, that the possession of this faculty of moral sense is the defining characteristic of what it means to be human and that it is the basis for the famous equality of human beings. Notice, if I could restate that, what Jefferson is arguing is something like this. There's no such thing as normative ethics. If you ask, why is it wrong to own slaves, you cannot expect in answer to that question a fancy deductive proof. Science however shows us that human beings have evolved in such a way, is Jefferson's claim, that human beings possessed as a natural attribute, just like they possess, you know, lungs and heart and so-on and so-forth. We possess moral sense, the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And one of the things we are able to distinguish is that the oppression of others is evil. Why is slavery wrong? It's wrong because we see it as wrong. It's what he seems to be saying. That's just a natural law. It's a law that governs how we're constituted as human beings by nature. Natural rights, as opposed to natural law, specify usually in a politically relevant way, what the dictates of morality are. These rights are themselves derived from human nature. They are traits that we possess psychologically or biologically. It would seem that certain traits of human nature qualify as rights by virtue of the value that the moral sense places on them. Each person judges himself to be a separate individual, free within himself, belonging to himself. And judges that as such he, and all of the members of the same species, has worth. Call it rights, you have rights. That is to say, it is by virtue of the moral sense, our ability to make moral distinctions, that needs, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as it were of biological needs, by virtue of the moral sense that these, according to Jefferson, acquire normative status. They become claims which others are obligated to respect. And Jefferson's basis therefore, for the inference from is to ought, is purely empirical. It's a purely factual matter. All in keeping with his Epicurean Christianity. Now, a number of Jefferson's writings announce the doctrine of natural rights and then tell us that such and such deeds violate natural rights. Say, the actions of the British, the institution of slavery and so-on and so-forth. But rarely does Jefferson specify in any detail the kind of obligation to act or not to act that his theory entails. Let alone the constraints under which prudence would have to operate. I'll try to spell out next, given this general sketch of his view of morality, how it would actually work in a particular situation. I think it's fair to say that Jefferson accepts the distinction which is foundational to liberalism between politics and morality. As is particularly evident in his discussions of the freedom of religion, the theory of rights imposes restraints on the actions of individuals. The actions which individuals can take relative to other individuals. That is, Jefferson's theory of rights is a theory of what are called in the trade negative duties. It delineates those aspects of a person's activities which others are obliged not to interfere with physically or directly. But not those which they're obliged to assist. The latter being the province of moral duty. That is to say, the distinction between politics and morality amounts to something like this. You have the rights to the fruits of your labor. The state and the others in your community are obligated not to seize your property without your consent. That's a political doctrine. Morally speaking, you have a duty to give a lot of it away in the form of charity. But that's not something which the state can obligate you to do. So you have politics on the one side and morality on the other. Jefferson accepts that, I think. And following the philosopher John Locke, Jefferson believes that in a situation in which rights are not reciprocally recognized, might has replaced right as the basis of justice. The oppressed then have a natural right to dissolve their political bonds that tie them to their masters. One would have to conclude that from the Jeffersonian standpoint, the slaves have a perfect right to revolt against the masters. Because the masters are not reciprocating the recognition of political right. If that's so, it would appear that Jefferson's stance towards the institution of slavery is defensible only if it satisfies the following conditions. The individual must do nothing, on pain of punishment administrable by the government, to extend or to enlarge the institution. Because then you would be violating the rights of others. And in the name of morality, which is the government cannot oblige you to follow, the individual must do everything possible to help to abolish the institution, which is transgressing natural rights. Now, it's precisely because natural rights do not, for Jefferson, impose a positive obligation. And because for him, moral duty is defined as benevolence, as charity and as humaneness. It's precisely because of all of that that a very wide spectrum of actions is in principle acceptable for him as satisfying the do everything you can to make the situation better demand. With respect to your owning of slaves, or an individual's owning of slaves, the situation would have to be a bit different. What I just discussed was person's attitude towards an evil that's out there, the institution of slavery. But with respect to say if you happened to own slaves, obviously the situation would differ. For the master is then directly violating the natural rights of the slaves. And this brings us to a further question concerning rights and duties. Are there any occasions in which the political duty not to violate another's natural right conflicts with moral duty to cease violating that person's right? That is, are there any exceptions to the rule that the individual ought not to violate another's rights? Oddly enough, and this in a way is the crucial point I'm driving at, Jefferson thought that the answers to those questions were affirmative. That is, ceasing to violate another's natural rights would according to his theory be immoral if doing so did not help that person to come into possession of his natural rights. So ceasing to violate someone's natural rights could for him be immoral if ceasing to violate the rights didn't help that person come into possession of their rights. And that's how Jefferson describes his dilemma with respect to his own slaves. He grants that his slaves have a political right to revolt against him. He grants that he has political obligation to free them. But he also believes that he has a moral obligation not to free them except under certain conditions. And all of this is possible given this form of prudential moral reasoning that I've outlined. It's not possible from a Kantian standpoint. This amounts to the paradoxical position which is what's so complicated about understanding Jefferson. That while it is moral for Jefferson's slave to revolt, it is also moral for the master to keep the slave enslaved under certain conditions. Now that you're looking thoroughly puzzled, even more so than 10 minutes ago, let me try to, again, more and more concrete. I'm working from the theory to, you know, what he actually did in his lifetime with respect to his slaves. So let's look at this. You know, what kinds of exceptions are there that would make sense of this bizarre contradiction that it might be moral to keep violating someone's rights? I mean, how would you go about explaining that? 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issue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46861/file/120257#t=2658.81,2660.45"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46861/file/120257/transcript/31392/annotation/915","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The question is to the separation of federal","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46861/file/120257#t=2660.45,2662.52"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46861/file/120257/transcript/31392/annotation/916","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and State authority is a serious constitutional 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The specific context of that opinion on the French treaties concerns the question of the non-performance of a contract. The breaking of a promise to France to perform certain promises. But as I said in that document, the doctrine of moral obligation is explicitly said to have validity in the State of nature that is not to be a creature of convention simply. Now, since for Jefferson, all human beings by nature possess the same rights. A just political contract between individuals requires on the political level reciprocality or equality of treatment. Consequently, a situation in which some members of a society have been enslaved can be understood as the non-performance by their masters of the just contract that is implied by the fundamental principles of right. It's as to say slavery is a violation of equality. This not performance of the implied moral contract that you should treat others as your equals which is what happens when you enslave someone else would be permissible according to Jefferson himself, only if the obligation to treat them equally was, as I said, either impossible or self destructive or dangerous. Now with that in mind, let's turn first to his ownership of slaves and then to his stance relative to the institution of slavery. So now we've got, I hope his basic outline of his theory pinned on. Now we see whether he lives up to his own theory. Jefferson appeared to think that emancipation of slaves was dangerous for both parties, as well as impossible. So in effect, he said, this is wrong. What I'm doing is wrong but under the conditions it is moral and it's permitted by these two escape clauses in my concept of what a moral contract is. In one letter in response to a man by the name of Edward Coles. Coles was a Christian who went to great lengths to free his own slaves. And this required moving out of the State, and he moved to what is now Illinois. Eventually, he became the governor of the State and did a great deal to prevent slavery from taking root in Illinois. Coles implored Jefferson to speak out forcefully against slavery. And he also said in his letter that as a result of his own ethical convictions, he intended to leave the State and to emancipate all of the slaves, which he did. Jefferson suggested his reply that first of all, it's legally impossible to manumit one slaves in Virginia. A claim that's not quite accurate but it's not completely inaccurate either. There all kinds of legal obstacles in the way. And also he claims more importantly that it would be detrimental to the slaves to freedom. Now, one of the reasons... But let me just progress on that point. In the \"Notes on the State of Virginia,\" which is Jefferson's one published book in a query 14 Jefferson says and I quote, \"Emancipation is dangerous for blacks and whites,\" he says. And he argues as follows, It's dangerous for these reasons. First, the whites are very prejudiced against the blacks and once having freed the blacks, the blacks would still be subject to the undeep racist prejudices you see of the whites. Which is true, okay, which was true. Secondly, his, Jefferson claims that the former slaves would have rather bitter recollections of their experiences at the hands of the whites. They have rather unpleasant feelings about the injuries that they had sustained and would probably take revenge and start killing the whites as soon as they could. So you have race war. Third, he says, and I quote, \"There would be many other circumstances which will divide us into parties and produce convulsions which will probably never end, but in the extermination of the one or the other race.\" In other words, to some of emancipation, he claims will lead to racial war. And since the blacks are in the minority, at that time, very much in the minority, they will eventually all be killed, which is scarcely in their interest. Therefore, emancipation of them at this time and in these circumstances is not moral error ago, I Jefferson am doing the morally right thing by not respecting their natural rights. And another letter to Holmes, Jefferson says, when the same issue comes up, he says, \"Justices on one scale, \"self-preservation is on the other scale.\" Now, self-preservation could be extended to refer to that of the blacks. But I think in this context he's referring primarily to the self-preservation of the whites. Jefferson may have had in mind and it probably did have in mind, the economic self-preservation of the whites, in addition to their physical survival that would be threatened by angry blacks who had been emancipated. So he says in effect that, I shouldn't emancipate my slaves because it's impossible and it's self-destructive. Now, the impossibility escape clause you're seeing, for Jefferson's not emancipating his own slaves, it's not persuasive. With sufficient ingenuity and effort, he could have found a way to bring this about, though he probably would have had to leave Virginia. The danger of rationale, the self-destruction rationale is also not ultimately persuasive. Indeed, Jefferson says this in his letter to Cole's, \"The hour of emancipation \"is advancing in the match of time.\" And he continues to say that one or another, the blacks will eventually be free either through emancipation or through a bloody revolution of the sword that had just taken place in Santo Domingo, what is now Haiti. It's a very bloody revolution took place there and the blacks took their freedom, they won their freedom. And Jefferson says that is going to happen one way or another. So if that's true, it scarcely seems persuasive to claim that it would be dangerous to emancipate as slaves because the alternative is self destruction. So not emancipating one slaves seems more dangerous than emancipating them. Now, it's of course rather hard to argue that under certain conditions it is better for slaves to remain slaves, in doing so you risk placing a rather low value on freedom. But there were other alternatives to simply freeing your slaves and throwing them out the door to fend for themselves. And alternatives to destroying one's farm in the name of emancipation. Again, I don't wanna trivialize Jefferson's position. The lot of so-called freed blacks in Virginia, not to mention the Deep South. Well, excuse me, in Virginia and other States. Most scholars call it quasar freedom. It was a very wretched lot. It wasn't really truly free. And prayed to all kinds of miseries and injuries. So Jefferson is not being facetious when he says, and if you just free your slaves, throw them out, say, I'm sorry, this happened to you, but I'm no longer a slave owner. So I've done the moral thing. He's right, there is something irresponsible about that too. But there are alternatives to that. And Jefferson formulated one such plan when he was our ambassador in France. Which involved freeing the slaves and hiring the back as workers, giving them some skills, which including skills in reading and writing. And then helping them to get out of the State to a place where they could live in true freedom. He abandoned that plan when he returned to the United States. In part because Jefferson was always up to his eyeballs in debt and he couldn't figure out a way to get out of debt and do all of that. In fact, Jefferson's objections to emancipation of his own slaves, as well as to the unqualified emancipation of all slaves rely on another very important factor which is also mentioned in his letter to Coles, which is that freed blacks would have to be expelled from the United States. Now, this expatriation condition vastly complicated any scheme for emancipation and thus rendered the possibilities of emancipation much less likely. Now, why did Jefferson insist from beginning to end the blacks had to be forcibly expatriated? That is to say that they could not form a permanent part of the American Republic. In addition to what I've already said that he thought that the hostility between blacks and whites was so deep and so permanent, that it would destroy the bonds of trust and friendship which are necessary in a free Republic. There exists another and I think deeper reason for Jefferson's view on expatriation. He had a pervasive fear of miscegenation, and this goes way beyond his racist views about the physical appearance of black people. He says, and I used his word. \"He suspected that blacks are inferior to whites \"in both body and mind.\" And that led him to worry that mixing the two races would degrade the mental capacities of the whites, and therefore, their humanness, because don't forget, he's doesn't have a notion of it in a mortal incorporeal soul, who you are is tied to what your genes are for him. So he was therefore, very, very worried about the mixing of the races because of his racist views about the possible inferiority of black people. That is very important to understand. When you ask yourself, why did Jefferson insist that the black people had to be expatriated? It's very important to recall Jefferson's commitment to materialism. As I said, if there's no immaterial soul that belongs to all humans equally, then human nature is simply material nature, and material nature can evolve through time. So when Jefferson articulates his fear of a black person, and I quote him now, \"Staining the blood of his masters.\" He's thinking of the possibility that mixing the races might actually make the whites less human. And that's not possibility he was willing to risk. Jefferson might have seen his moral obligation, therefore, as suspended by the so-called danger, that the mixing of the races would present. His views on politics and morality are thus heavily indebted to his views on nature and therefore, to his views on biology. Jefferson had a further constraint to his advocacy of means for general emancipation. I refer to his view that no solution of the slavery issue could be permitted to destroy the union. The continued existence of the union being a precondition for the continued liberties of all the peoples existing within it. The moral duty to preserve the constitution was higher for him than the moral duty to abolish slavery. Jefferson thought that the constitution could be preserved only if the distinction between State and federal authority was retained. And this meant for him that slavery could be abolished only by the decision of the individual States, not by decision to the federal government. Jefferson's problematic position on the Missouri controversy is an extension of that sequence of inferences drawn from the premise that the union has to be preserved above all else. And now, next to last, let me look quickly at the consequences of all this for his views about how he should react to the institution of slavery as distinguished from his own slaves. In his letter to Coles again, Jefferson recount some of the efforts he had made prior to 1800 on behalf of black people. In particular, he mentioned his authorship of an act in the Virginia legislature for extending the protection of the laws to blacks, an effort that was roundly rejected and vilified. Even the act of 1782, which made manumission much easier, an act which was promoted by Jefferson faced tremendous opposition within Virginia. And these and a number of other events that I won't go through rapidly convinced Jefferson that the racism of his white colleagues was so deep that any public opposition to slavery was bound to be counterproductive. After 1777 therefore, Jefferson said relatively little in public against the institution of slavery with a note where the exception of the Northwest ordinance, and he made no efforts to improve the wretched lot of many of the so-called free blacks. Say so-called because of all the laws that hand them in. Jefferson was convinced that if he pushed the issue of emancipation publicly, he would only hasten the split between North and South of Federalists and Republicans. The result being the destruction of the union, civil war, and quite possibly the eternal perpetuation of slavery in the South. And that's a prudential line of reasoning, you see. Furthermore, there seems to be a scholarly consensus that had Jefferson taken a sustained and public abolitionist stand. His chances for election to the presidency would have been non-existent. It could be argued then that his silence after a certain date with respect to the institution of slavery, was the price that Jefferson paid for the privilege of serving his country and accomplishing after all the many great things that he did accomplish. However, the expatriation requirement still can't be defended and it cannot be defended on the imminent danger doctrine of that treatise I mentioned before the opinion on the French treaties. At best after all, Jefferson only suspected that there was a possibility of danger to the whites if the race is mixed. And that obviously, I mean, even if it were warranted, doesn't justify any of the draconian measures associated with Jefferson's plan for emancipation. He had a detailed plan about how to do this, and it involves separating children from their mothers and so forth. And his suspicion that blacks and whites would find it difficult to live together was obviously not without basis as we know from history. But it doesn't justify expelling the native born blacks any more than it does explain the native born whites. When I spell all the whites there won't be any problem you could argue. So the State's right conditioned, furthermore is not justifiable. And as a consequence, Jefferson's position in the Missouri controversy is not justifiable. The basis for the argument, the States and not the federal government possess the authority to determine who shall full civil rights can only be a purely utilitarian one. That is to say, State governments no more possessed, natural rights than federal County or city governments. The means to the end have at this point become, have at this point been superseded by the end itself. Conventional State's rights right here placed above the natural rights of individuals simply preserving the constitution even when the natural rights of many person are being suppressed, had supersedes finally for Jefferson, the principles of the declaration that the constitution is after all intended to implement. At this point, prudence becomes rationalization. Now, I wanna conclude very quickly with a discussion of the difference between being prudence and rationalizing what you're doing. And I'll set out a series of propositions about the nature of prudence that accords with Jefferson's own philosophy. Begin again by assuming if you will, that there exist the gap between the ideal and the real were between theory and practice grant that assumption. Now, we possess knowledge of the moral principles that inform us that the world is imperfect, grant that also, if you will. You know, what's right. Rationalization occurs when an action is simply intended to preserve the status quo. Now, here we have to distinguish between the short-term and the long-term. In the short-term, it may be prudent to preserve the status quo, but if the long-term goal is to preserve the status quo, then prudence has become rationalization. However, refusing to undertake change in the short-term can also qualify as rationalizing if there exists a possibility of closing in the short term, the gap between the real and the ideal. Prudence that is if it's a defensible ethical doctrine at all, cannot be conceived of as a device for managing the status quo and keeping it from changing for the better. Rather, it would have to be combined with moral leadership with choice informed by an understanding of moral standards that makes every effort to bring practice up to the level of theory. If prudence is defined, is that which is to the advantage of the stronger then of course, right becomes reducible to mite. This is no longer prudence, but the rationalizing of any given action in the name of self-interest. So the standard of prudence cannot be efficiency alone, else the distinction between the morally ideal and the real has once again evaporated. So the individual self-interest and even self preservation can't be the sole legitimizing criterion of Prudential action. Now, to see this point, consider the following example. Consider the example of a man who's committing adultery, goes to great lengths to ensure that the requisite precautions have been taken, his identity remains hidden perse, wife never will learn of it and so on forth. His precautions you could say are efficient and fulfill his self-interest narrowly understood, but they are not prudence in the relevant sense. It's the point I'm trying to make. Prudence understood as efficiency is the art of minimizing risks whatever project you are undertaking. Prudence rightly understood though, in no way excludes risk-taking, indeed the taking of great risks. From the standpoint of prudence, so understood, the standpoint of self-interest to the efficiency amounts to a formula for moral cowardice. The moral coward after all will never take a stand and then dangerous himself. The self being understood narrowly is defined by wealth and prestige and so forth. For the moral coward, obviously there are no values that could supersede the value of self-preservation. It would make no sense for the efficiently calculating coward to say, give me Liberty, or give me death. From the Jeffersonian standpoint instead, taking great risks is justifiable if a significant moral principle is at stake. And if there is a reasonable possibility of success, the American revolution is a case in point. The chances that the revolution would succeed were not overwhelming. But the moral warrant for undertaking the revolution, as well as the non-trivial possibility that it would succeed made it prudent and the declaration refers to prudence, uses that word. Given the moral principles of the declaration then, and the historical context refusing to engage in the revolution would count as a case of rationalizing of the evils of British rule. And that's precisely what the loyalists did. Whether an action is considered prudent or not will depend therefore on your assessment of a whole number of empirical factors, particularly your assessment of what human beings are capable of. It also seems as you try to figure out what would a viable theory of Prudential action look like? It also seems that any conditions on the means to the ideals that themselves contradict the ideal would render efforts to achieve the ideal imprudent. I've argued that Jefferson's insistence on the expatriation of the slaves falls into that category. Finally, a note about moral tragedies. Consider this case. Now you have the outlines of Jefferson's moral theory. Consider the following case. Suppose that one of Jefferson's slaves requests freedom for himself and his family on the grounds that they are prepared to take whatever risks are entailed by freedom. Suppose that the slave lacks a usable skill with which to provide for himself once free. Now, suppose furthermore that Jefferson refuses to grant this person his freedom since he, Jefferson unlike the slave knows that the lot of the freed slaves in the North is a very bitter one, many former slaves, let's say having starved to death and their wives forced into prostitution which was not unknown. Suppose furthermore that Jefferson does not wanna set a precedent that will lead all his other slaves to request their freedom, believing that an increase in the number of free blacks will only set back the cause of general emancipation and fully quality, a proposition that many historians have argued for. The slaves listens to all of that and then compels Jefferson at the point of a knife to sign the emancipation papers. When Jefferson declares his intention of revoking the papers at the earliest possible moment, the slave kills him and succeeds in escaping North with his family where they live a life that is nominally free but in every other sense, more wretched than their previous condition. Suppose that all of that as a hypothetical case. Since Jefferson's theories of natural rights and moral sense contain no unconditional rules and no procedure for generating universal moral laws. Moral tragedies of the sort that I just outlined seem irresolvable within his moral universe no matter how one qualifies as doctrine of Prudential action. Thank you. Well, if you have any questions I'd be delighted to entertain them.\r\n\r\n- In your professional and scholar's opinion, was Jefferson bigot?\r\n\r\n- Yes and no. And I'll spell that out for you. He was a bigot when it comes to physical beauty. And he simply thought that white people were more beautiful than black people. He thought that Indians, however, whereas beautiful is white people. So I'd say he was a bigot in that respect. He suspected that black people were inferior to white people. That may be enough just to call him a bigot on that score. But he says very carefully that he'll be excited to know he was willing to listen to the evidence on both sides. He thought it was an anthropological question. But in an essential sense though he was not a bigot, and this is very important. He says that even if it were true that black people are intellectually inferior to white people. Even if it were true, it wouldn't make any difference at all as to whether they should be treated equally or not. And the reason is that, for Jefferson intelligence and mental capacities have nothing to do with rights. He says in one of his letters, for example, \"Isaac Newton is a lot smarter than I am.\" But it makes no difference whatever when it comes to rights, he still have the right to rule me even though he's 20,000 times smarter than I am. And he explicitly says and this I offer as a part of him is not bigoted, right? He says, even if all my doubts about black people were true that's still doesn't justify treating them as anything other than your equals on the political level.\r\n\r\n- How did he explain being ?\r\n\r\n- That's a very interesting correspondence. Banneker's letter when he sent a copy of the Almanac, is really a letter of reproach. Have you read it? It's a very stern letter saying, why are you being a hypocrite? Jefferson wrote back a fairly short, nice letter saying, I'll think about it or something like that. It didn't really engage with the issues. Correspondence which was subsequently published by the way and which was used by the Southern racists to prove that Jefferson actually liked black people. See what I mean? But in another letter that Jefferson wrote to conduct say, I believe it was. He had some very negative things to say about Banneker. And he said, well, this was not really all that great of an achievement. And if you go through other examples where people always sending him, you know, lists of prominent black people or achievements as in the case of Banneker. And Jefferson always on the one hand responded politely, but then almost always wrote in a letter to somebody else that it wasn't really all that good. It wasn't the evidence that he really required so on and so forth. Did that answer your point? Okay, well, let me know if I didn't get to it exactly. Okay. Yeah, that's a good question. That issue, there's this longstanding account that Jefferson had a mistress who was black. That has been examined at great length by a number of historians including Douglass Adair. And has been for all practical purposes shown to be false. The origin of the story is, it's a very interesting story. It was made up by a fellow by the name of Calender who was a kind of a political operative in Jefferson's time. Jefferson had used him in his campaign against the presidential campaign against Adams just to spread some slurs about Adams. This Calendar fellow was a man who had been imprisoned in England for lying and making libeling people. And he made it to the United States and started the same thing again. And when Jefferson was elected, Calender said that he wants to cash in now on this and wanted to be the postmaster of Richmond, I think it was pretty plus job. And Jefferson said, absolutely not. So Calender ran to the nearest Federalist press and made up the sensational story. Which hasn't stopped going since then. But Jefferson committed a number of sins, but that actually was not one of them, I think. If you want the proof, I would direct you to, first of all, Douglass Adair's long discussion of it in his book Fame and the Founding Fathers, he re sighted a number of other lengthy discussions of the matter. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- George Washington, in will freed slaves after and he justified it by saying that she needed the slaves to survive . Was there any more discussion toward Washington about why .\r\n\r\n- Yeah. I don't know all of Washington's writings well enough to answer your question with any certainty. I know that he never bought and sold slaves unlike Jefferson. And he claimed that that was because he thought it was a repulsive practice to what you may say owning the slaves period was a repulsive practice to which he probably would have said that's true. And then he would have gotten the list of problems with freeing them and so on and so forth. I wish I knew the all 18 volumes of Washington better to know whether there's more discussion by him of the matter. I think there's very little discussion is my feeling by him about his personal ownership of slaves. He also didn't have any heirs as I recall. Which makes it an awful lot easier to free your slaves. Of course, after your wife has said the use of them as you say Washington did. To free your slaves was basically a bankrupt to yourself. You have to remember that slaves at that time were much more valuable than the land already by 1800. And Washington, I think had several hundred slaves. And that amounted to, if you can put it in this terms, handing over all of your bank accounts to somebody else. It was impoverishment. Obviously he wasn't willing to do that. I think 200, I think. Washington was reputed to be one of the richest men in the early republic. He was a very sharp businessman, unlike Jefferson who was horrible businessman. And also had a horrible series of just one bad luck thing after another which kept talking to him. He also inherited a huge pile of debts when he married. And when Jefferson was president, he was always complaining he doesn't have time to run the plantation correctly. And he just got more and more into debt. Washington as I said, was very astute. And even though he was heavily involved in public life managed to turn a profit. Yeah. Yeah, you may be right. I mean, I should've repeated my qualification that I don't know all of the details of his deeds and words with respect to the institution. I am fairly confident of the assertion that if you took the net value, the market value of the slaves compared to the market value of his lands in his house, the slaves are the bulk of his assets. Yes, which obviously I'm not approving of his actions. I hope you understand that. Okay. I was just trying to illustrate the empirical choice that you faced. Well, I trying to find an analogy. Yeah, I just meant that the bulk of his assets, of a plantation owners assets were in human beings. But you can certainly argue, and Thomas Paine, for example, argued in one of his little treatises, that it would be more profitable to free your slaves and then hire them back as workers. Slavery is, I think most economists agree now, is a very unprofitable institution. That's an argument with Jefferson knew very well by the way, in which there long discussions of that and Adam Smith and some of the other classical economists. So you, I mean, all you have to do is to argue that with a little bit of moral ingenuity and daring. They didn't have to bankrupt themselves. They could have freed their slaves and say hired them back and in the process, by the way, help educate them. Yes. Well, I argued in the paper that his position is not finally defensible. And that is to say that his prudential reasoning becomes rationalizing. That's not the same thing as saying that prudential morality or prudential concept of morality is itself wrong, I didn't say that. And it's not equivalent to say espousing a content view of morality that is radically anti consequentialist. You do the right thing without paying attention these worldly consequences. But I do think that in Jefferson's case, he finally slipped over the border into simply rationalizing his situation. I mean, once you give a fair account, which I tried to do of all the possible sides, it's still the case that he's rationalizing his ownership of slaves. Because there are actions that he could have taken which would have freed his slaves. A tremendous cost to himself. But he could have done it in all the arguments that he gives to the effect, which are not silly arguments. I wanted to emphasize also to the effect that is, you know, saying you wanna emancipate slaves is one thing, but actually doing right by them is something else given the corrupt social circumstances of the time and the racism and the legal situation. But even given all of that, it still remains the case that he was rationalizing, I think. Did I answer your question? Yes Miss. His since?\r\n\r\n- Mm-hmm.\r\n\r\n- That's a theological question, philosopher not a minister. I'm really not good at preaching.\r\n\r\n- When you said rational .\r\n\r\n- Well, yes. Most prominently rationalizing his situation. I mean, I'm trying to formulate an answer which doesn't simply repeat what I said about how I think he's rationalizing and so forth. I mean, philosophically... Philosophically, I think in a deep sense he's wrong in his theory of nature and of natural right. And he's, don't ask me to justify this now unless you want to stay here for a couple hours, which is okay with me. But his wrong and his hatred of traditional metaphysics and philosophy. Jefferson hated Plato, for example. And he hated the whole theological tradition of Christianity. He thought it was absolute meaningless, nonsense. I mean, he was very harsh about it. He really thinks this is simply a power grabbing move by the platonic Prius. You see, create a vocabulary that no one... It's like the lawyer, you see, no one can understand it, but you claim that your salvation depends upon your saying certain things in his vocabulary nobody understands, right? And you got yourself into a very lucrative position. And that's a cynical point of view that he took. And as a philosopher, I think that's a deeply erroneous about the nature of philosophy.\r\n\r\n- I mean, that's , not too bad.\r\n\r\n- Do you think so? I would certainly say that about his view of Plato and consequently about his materialistic view of nature. I mean, I don't think actually the materialism is the key issue so much as the question of teleology and whether it's possible to argue philosophically as did Plato and Aristotle. That there's such a thing as a perfection of self as a goal of the self, a perfection of soul, which is what would virtue in Aristotelian or platonic terms gives you. An excellence of self which serves as a criterion for what it means to be a good human being. I would want to argue for something like that. And I think the terms that you would have to invoke to argue for that is simply rejected by Jefferson. In that sense, I think he's wrong. But that's a disagreement at a fairly deep level. On a level of the slavery thing itself is just rationalizes and so forth. Yeah. It seems what? Well, wouldn't you wanna agree though, that there are conditions under which a treaty which you make it at time X no holds at a later time, under certain specific circumstances. I mean, aren't there some conditions under which promises need not be fulfilled. The classic example comes from Plato's Republic, or Socrates says, you borrow, I mean, you lend a very sharp knife to a friend say and... Or you borrow a knife from a friend and then say, I'll give it back to you in two days, I just need one of these great big butchering . Two days later your friend comes back and he's completely insane, taking designer drugs. And he comes back and he says, I want my knife, there are a number of people I've got to kill immediately. You promised you would give it to me. Now, under those conditions, you would say, it's not moral to fulfill my promise. And that's what Jefferson is driving at with respect to contracts between nations, that's to say treaties. That under certain conditions, it's no longer moral to fulfill your word, namely, when you can't do it and when it's self destructive or destructive to the other party to do it. Of course, that can easily become rationalizing, right? But I think that's why it's important to try to draw a line between rationalizing and deliberative prudential action which I think you could argue in a world that's imperfect is something that's unavoidable. Ask yourself the question. I mean, any question, how do we deal with the soviet union if you're not too thrilled with their system? What are you gonna do about it? This clearly is a matter of deliberation, taking small steps here and there. Or solving the problem that you were addressing this afternoon. This is you could argue as a prudential matter. And yet that easily becomes rationalizing, doesn't it? And the whole debate about South African that's going on now. I think is it's essentially a debate between contents on the one side. Who say, look, this is evil. You should simply, you know, don't get involved with this. And what another conservatives who are arguing for a version of a Prudential theory, which says, yes, it is evil, I agree. Now, what are we gonna do to change it in a way that brings about desirable consequences for the people there? Now that easily, if it's defensible, even a principle, easily slips into rationalizing. But don't infer from that that the principle itself is necessarily wrong. Yeah. That's very hard to say. I think by the time of the Missouri controversy in the 1820s, he was rationalizing. I mean, his position on the Missouri controversy, if you know the whole story is not... I won't go through though look very complicated historically. But it involve this, the relationship between federal authority and State authority. And the question is to whether Missouri could be admitted as a Slave State. And in essence what Jefferson did was to take a State's rights position at the cost of the natural rights of the individuals involved. And he just made a series of catastrophic suggestions from that point on which could be argued that actually led to the civil war rather than prevented the civil war. One of which was that the spread of slavery would precisely by diluting the power of the slave owners, make it easier to eradicate the institution. Which earlier he himself had argued against precisely that. So the whole series of contradictions like that arise around the 1820s. The latter is the usual interpretation that he actually started to become as it were a practicing racist in the full sense. I'm still not convinced to that. But then I have to explain, well, if that's true, then why did he start making these gross miscalculations? I say, I don't think he finally espoused a positive good theory of slavery as did Calhoun later on. It was actually good for black people to be slaves. There is this part of the natural order of things. So this is actually very good for them at first. He wasn't tempted by that, I don't think. But at the same time, he did begin to take positions as in the Missouri compromise issue which were not prudential, they became rationalizing. And how does one explain that? Ticket is what you're asking. And I think part of the explanation is that, the issues were genuinely complicated. I mean, I think a fair appraisal of Jefferson, you have to admit that there are some points on both sides to be made. Some of which I tried to summarize it's not but an open and shut type issue. The question is to the separation of federal and State authority is a serious constitutional issue. And that there is a real question as to the assumption of power by the federal government and what that does to liberties of the individual. So on the one hand they're very serious questions involved. But on the other hand, I suppose I have to admit finally that he was unable to sustain an honest approach to the matter. I guess I can only account for that finally by looking at his age, he was exhausted by that time, he was up to his eyes and debt as I said and things of that nature. Any other questions? Okay, well, thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46861/file/120257#t=0.0,2722.08"}]}]}]}