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It's a great pleasure to have Milton Fisk with us, he's a professor of philosophy at Indiana University, he's the author of dozens and dozens of articles and also a number of books, A Modern Formal Logic, Nature and Society, An Essay in Physical Ontology, and Socialism From Below in the United States. He's just recently completed a book on the state, that's going to be published by Cambridge University Press, and the talk tonight is going to be a part of that book. I know that when I teach political philosophy and I teach Marxism, I can often get students to grant some of the problems in capitalist societies, except for a few Libertarians, but most students I can get to grant that capitalism does have some major problems, but then the big question they always ask is, \"What's the alternative?\" And if the alternative is some form of totalitarian society, then students would say, \"Well, we should have capitalism with all its faults \"rather than that,\" and that's a very serious issue. And we look at societies that have tried to go beyond capitalism, and we try to understand to the extent to which they've been able to come up with some sort of society, some democratic form of society, that would be a real alternative and a really better alternative than capitalism. And Professor Fisk has spent an awful lot of time thinking about this subject, especially as regards Nicaragua, and we're very privileged to have him share his thoughts with us tonight.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much, Tony. And one of the questions that I was asked when I went to Nicaragua one time, that was when the Contra War was still very hot, was whether I felt safe down there, and as I was coming out here for this talk, I flew over the Mississippi River and it was pointed out to me that down there was Rock Island. And I all of a sudden remembered that I'm a fugitive from justice in this state. So I actually feel less secure in Iowa than I do, or would have, in Nicaragua, because I was arrested protesting the Rock Island Arsenal in 1984, and I failed to appear at court there and I was told never to come back to the state if I didn't want to get arrested. So if there are any FBI agents or undercover policemen in the house, they know who they can get. What I wanna talk about tonight is the democracy and the transition to socialism. There are several ways of looking at this, one has to do with the skeptical assumption, that Tony has just outlined, that there may not be the possibility of democracy in a transition to socialism. And the other is the overly idealist assumption that surely it's possible to have democracy in a transition to socialism, and indeed pure and a perfect type of democracy. And I want, basically, to try to poke some holes in both of those positions, and try to say that, in fact, democracy is possible in a transition to socialism, we have an instance of it in Nicaragua, but it is not pure democracy by any means, and try to outline what I see to be some of the limitations of it. To start with, let me begin by referring back to Lenin and his book called The State and Revolution. And that book contains two ideas that don't, I think, fit together very well. The first idea is that, in socialism, there will be a pure democracy, he described it in terms of councils. And the Russian word for that is, I gather, soviet. There would be councils based on neighborhoods, there would be councils based on workplaces, councils based on military units, and these councils would converge at upper levels in a governing body of the state. It would be a form, some form of more direct democracy than is characteristic of Western parliamentary system. On the other hand, he had an idea that there was going to be a repressive task that a socialist society would have to undertake, and this would call for a dictatorship. Among the repressive tasks that this socialist society would have to take on would be the task of dealing with all those forces in and outside the society which were interested in overthrowing the revolution. In addition, there would be the task of disciplining the workforce and the people in the society so that they could bring the society along at a sufficiently advanced level of productivity. Now, these two ideas come forth in The State and Revolution, and Lenin doesn't seem to observe the extraordinarily intense conflict that they, in fact, create with one another. If those people who are impressed by the democratic side of his socialism, the council democracy that he talks about, will want to say that as soon as there is any break with capitalism, there should be an institution of a council democracy of a sort that he talks about in The State and Revolution. But the realities of that situation, the realities of a transition from a capitalist form of society to a socialist form of society bring to the fore the repressive-type tasks that Lenin talks about in the same work. And as the council democracy proves utterly incapable of carrying on the tasks that are needed in that period, disillusionment sets in and the repressive mechanisms become more emphasized than the democratic ones, and so you have a repressive type of dictatorship. Now, this kind of contradiction that I find in that work has led some people to say, \"Well, we should never try to have \"a direct form of democracy \"of the sort that is talked about \"in The State and Revolution \"because it'll only lead to repression.\" Well, I don't think that's necessarily the right approach to the problem, it's not because councils lead to repression that we should abandon, it's not that councils lead to repression, it's rather that the situation in a transition from capitalism is a situation which is really not ready for that kind of pure democracy. It's ready for some sort of democracy, but not quite that kind of democracy. So what I would suggest is that, in the transition period, there's another kind of democracy, and it's not necessarily the kind of democracy we are most familiar with, nor is it the kind of ideal democracy that Lenin spoke about. Now, associated with these ideas, there are two kinds of criticisms that are often heard of the Nicaraguan Revolution, at least often heard by people who you might otherwise think would be supportive of the Nicaraguan Revolution. One of the approaches is that of a kind of purism, the Nicaraguan Revolution is not a genuine, true socialist revolution because it hasn't instituted the kind of council democracy that Lenin talked about. On the other hand, you get to the more realistic, perhaps you might say the more cynical approach, that would say that the thing wrong with the Nicaragua Revolution is it doesn't understand that being right in the backyard of Uncle Sam, any state that's going to try to institute socialism there needs to be a state that doesn't bother with democracy, certainly not direct democracy of the council form, and that the state needs to be strong, it needs to be able to act flexibly, quickly, and to take proper measures of repression. And the thing I wanna draw from the history about Lenin is that at least he had the correct view that in a transitional situation, there's going to be a balance between two kinds of things, one, a kind of democracy, the other, there will have to be certain messy tasks that are gonna have to be accomplished in the transitional period. However, what I would want to do in changing what he said would be to describe those two factors in a rather different way, and that's what I'm going to proceed to try to do now. What kind of democracy would be appropriate in that situation that one finds in Nicaragua, after 1979, when the Somoza regime was overthrown? I wanna say that neither are totally purist, nor a cynical approach to the kinds of things that the state there should or could do is adequate. In Nicaragua, there's a great deal of importance to the idea of mass organizations, and these mass organizations play an extremely important role in regard to the kind of democracy that exists in Nicaragua and has existed there since 1979. Now, among the mass organizations that I'm talking about are organizations of agricultural workers, who belong to an association called the Association of Workers of the Countryside, the ATC. There's a women's organization called AMNLAE. There are neighborhood organizations, which recently changed their name, they used to have the expression Sandinista attached to them, now, they're simply called Councils for Community Development. There are organizations of small owners of agricultural land, and among them, the most important is the one whose acronym is UNAG, U-N-A-G, the Nicaraguan Union of Agricultural Workers and, what is it, it's not cowherds, it's people who take care of cattle. Now, these organizations have democracy associated with them in two ways. First, there is an internal democracy, the organizations are subject to elections on a regular basis. One hears in the press here that, in Nicaragua, elections don't take place very frequently, but elections are taking place all the time within the mass organizations for leadership there, and in crucial periods, that leadership has changed dramatically. There's a second aspect to the democracy associated with the mass organizations, and that has to do with the role that the mass organizations play in regard to the state. In regard to the state, the mass organizations exert a considerable amount of power. This doesn't mean that they can simply go to the state and say, \"We want this,\" and get it, but when they do go to the state, what they say is listened to, and there is a kind of bargaining and negotiation that goes on as a result of any request that they make, any request that they take seriously enough to come to the state with. The track record in regard to the demands that that have been won that way by the mass organizations is fairly good. This is not to say that every demand's been won, but this is an element of democracy in the Nicaraguan revolutionary situation. Now, the mass organizations are not the councils of the sort that Lenin described, the councils were institutions of state themselves, whereas the mass organizations negotiate with the state, bargain with the state, and hence, are not officially state organs, they are in an interaction with the state. Now, the difference between those two things is the difference, I think, between the kind of democracy that Lenin talked about, in which I have said would be a form of democracy that is ideal, and too ideal for the transitional situation. But the kind of democracy that I'm going to be emphasizing has to do with these mass organizations, both in regard to their internal structure and in regard to their bargaining with the state. One important example of what the mass organizations have done concerns the period 1984-1985. The Ministry of Agrarian Reform had been carrying on a process of reform which did not put a large amount of land in the hands of peasants, either landless peasants or peasants with insufficient land to make a living on. And this upset many of the peasants who had been in a struggle for many years before the revolution took place, in some areas of the country. Furthermore, they felt that the state was manipulating the agrarian reform for the purpose of forming collectives and state farms, and promoting state farm development and collectives, and many of the peasants wanted individual title. In the process of the debates in 1984-1985, the demands of the peasants in the organization called UNAG, which I mentioned earlier, were vigorously opposed at first by the state, but in the process of the debate, the state finally gave way, agrarian reform began to take place on the basis of giving primary emphasis to individual title to land. And by the end of 1985, the process accelerating agrarian reform and getting in a different direction, with emphasis on private small holdings, had taken place in a fairly decisive way. Now, in this case, it's always possible to say, well, within UNAG, it was the Sandinista party which, because of its great influence, was pushing the peasants into taking this position, and because the Sandinista party is the dominant party within the state, it was able to carry that position with the state. Now, in many cases that have taken place in Nicaragua, that kind of scenario of a political sort may be the appropriate one, but in regard to this major change in land reform, that's not what happened. The people who were active in UNAG were, in many cases, people who had been active in land reform movement long before the revolution succeeded in 1979, they were veterans of the peasants' struggle. Many of them had been landless agricultural workers who had been striving for land reform, and those people had gotten land as a result of the revolution and they wanted to get land for other peasants and better land for themselves, for, in many cases, they had very marginal land. So they were a group which had become militant long before the revolution was succeeded, and on the basis of the kind of understandings they had developed through the struggle for land reform, they put pressure on the state which was in opposition to the official policy of the Sandinista party, and which actually carried the Agrarian Reform Institute with them in changing their policy. Now, let me take a more recent example of the sort of things that the mass organizations do. There's another organization, which is a different one, it's an organization of agricultural workers. These are landless workers, people who do not have land, and by and large, these workers work on either the large private farms or they work on state farms. And about 13% of the arable land is in state farms, which is down from about 24% at the time of the revolution, so there's a deep de-capitalization of state holdings as far as agriculture is concerned. Now, in 1988, the government instituted a series of reforms in order to control inflation, and inflation ran over 4000% in 1988. The assumption was being made, by the economists in the state, that one of the prime reasons for inflation was wages. And this was a valid assumption much earlier, and the state had put restrictions and had tried to educate unions to the need for restraint on wage demands in order to prevent inflation. That was back in the earlier parts of the '80s, up until about '85. But after '85, '86, it became clear, to many people at least, although presumably not to the economists in the state, that wages were playing a very small part in inflation, primarily because wages were simply going down, down, down, as the inflation took place, and there was no recovery of wages as a result. So with that happening, the state, nonetheless, went on and insisted that there not be significant increases in wages. The agricultural workers reacted to this and demanded increase in wages. This was against the Sandinista policy, and the agricultural workers have yet win this, but it seems to me obvious that, before too long, you will hear about wage increases on the part of the government. Let me read you a quote from a journal that's published at the Central American University in Managua, which is a Jesuit university, and this concerns the agricultural workers. It says, \"The Farm Workers Association \"has been the union that has fought hardest \"against the notion that wage increases cause inflation. \"According to studies by the Center for Research \"on the Economy and Agrarian Reform,\" that's not a government organization, \"an agricultural worker's wage \"covered 43% of the basic necessities \"of a rural family, in February,\" that's 1988, \"28% in May, and 8% in June. \"So the wage covered 8% \"of the basic necessities of the family. \"This spurred the agricultural workers' union's salary claim, and it also spurred collective bargaining, \"both with private farm owners and with the state. \"and it was backed by occupations of the land. \"The demand was for wages \"tied to the costs of eight basic goods.\" In other words, there would be an indexing of wages. \"Acting first in cotton and in the coffee sector, \"the union defended workers' rights \"in the face of widespread economic confusion \"among the militants of the Sandinista party, \"who still associate a struggle for wages \"with actions by the right to destroy the economy.\" All right, so the general picture I want to get across is that, whether the ATC, the agrarian workers, wins this demand for increased wages or not, they are acting in a way that, as this article puts it, has confused the militants of the party. And just to give you some idea of why it isn't the wages that had been causing the inflation, actually the country is in a recessionary period right now, and during the early part of this year, there was actually no rise in inflation and there was, in fact, some sort of a slowing down of inflation. One of the biggest causes of inflation has been subsidies to the private sector. For example, if you are an owner of a farm and you want to buy sorghum to feed your chickens, a lot of the sorghum is imported, you go to the government and you want to bring in sorghum. And you go and give to the government the cordobas, which is the Nicaraguan currency, and the government will give you a lot more dollars than you can get anywhere else in the country for your cordobas. In short, they give you an import subsidy by making your cordobas have a much higher rate of exchange with the dollar than would be possible anywhere else. Now, conversely, when you raise your chickens and then send them abroad as an export and you're paid dollars for those chickens in some country, not the United States since there's still a boycott, but wherever you get your dollars, the government will then, in turn, give you many more cordobas back for your dollars than you could get on even the black market for dollars, which is, in turn, a subsidy for exports. And so this has been intended to create an incentive for increasing the export market, but what it has done has simply been to drain the state treasuries of dollars, and cordobas as well, and that's been an enormous source of inflation. Okay, now, in the economic crisis, one might wanna say that the mass organizations that I've been talking about, the agricultural owners, the agricultural workers, the neighborhood organizations, surely these organizations have suffered from the crisis and have become much, much weaker, an enormous demoralization must have taken place. Well, precisely the opposite has happened, because to the extent that the crisis of any kind of sort has gone on, it's been an indication that the state is very weak, the state really can't control the crisis and the state has very few implements in its bag of tricks to bring the country out of an economic crisis. This has, in effect, sent message to the population that if anything's going to get done, you're gonna have to do it yourself. As a result, since 1985, when the economic crisis really began to get bad, there's been a strengthening of a number of mass organizations. The strongest one, because of its history of militancy, which goes back prior to the revolution, was the UNAG. But the neighborhood organizations, which had almost died out in the first years of the Contra War, have suddenly come back to life. In the first years of the Contra War, the neighborhood organizations were told, \"You do things for the war, \"you take care of the mothers of the soldiers \"who are going off to the front, \"you take care of making bandages, or whatever, \"care packages for the front, \"that's what you're supposed to do.\" They had very little autonomy. In the later period, the mass organizations have become much stronger. In a situation where the government has had to cut back enormously on social benefits, the neighborhoods have to provide and come up in some way with their own social benefits. So this has increased the possibility of the mass organizations acting in an autonomous way. Let me, then, go on to describe a bit more the kind of bargaining that I talked about earlier between mass organizations and the state. You really had a kind of three-cornered structure in Nicaragua. On the one hand, you have over in this corner, the state, you have the mass organizations over here, and then you have the party, the FSLN, the Sandinista party, as the other third corner. And these three corners are in relationships with one another, which allows for the possibility of autonomy between them, and I'm mainly concerned about how the party and the state interact with the mass organizations and not with how the party and the state interact with one another. Now, let me read you an account having to do with a agricultural workers union and how it interacted with the party. And this is a direct quote from around 1984 by the head of a zonal region of the agricultural workers' union. And he says, \"We make a weekly plan, \"then try to add to this \"the tasks that the party sends us. \"For example, we set production as a priority \"and then the party sends us an orientation \"asking for 32 volunteers for the reserves and the militia, \"but we may see that this is not possible \"because the man are needed for production, \"so we send a written report to the party \"explaining why the 32 men cannot be mobilized. \"This happened just this past week. \"Each Monday, there are zonal meetings \"with the party secretary, \"and we have at those meetings \"representatives of other mass organizations, \"the trade union organization, \"the women's organization, \"the small-owning peasants' organization, \"the neighborhood organization, \"the youth organization, the health organization, \"and the teachers' organization. \"They all attend these meetings. \"Here, we discuss the new lines that come from the party. \"We may discuss the lack of manpower \"for the harvest of a product, \"we discuss what mechanisms can be used \"to get more workers to participate in the harvest. \"For example, right now, \"we need more people to harvest beans, \"the youth group will guarantee a brigade of students \"to come help us. \"After the meeting, the party sends us an orientation \"based on these discussions.\" And then it goes on to say, \"If the party has a task for us, \"we talk with them and decide whether we can do it or not, \"we negotiate with them to see whether it's possible, \"we are an autonomous organization, \"we don't have a vertical relationship with them.\" Okay, I think that that describes what many people have found from attending, many North Americans have found from attending meetings with mass organizations. It's not that people wanna say the party is unimportant, or the state which the party is representing here is unimportant, it's simply that the party doesn't get very far trying to ram stuff down the throat of these organizations, because they have a separate base and they can react on using that base against the party if it tries to do that. So the situation is best described as negotiations. Now, you might ask, \"What difference is there \"between this kind of situation, \"where there are negotiations taking place \"between the state and the mass organizations,\" which is what I would say is a special form of democracy in the transition period, \"and the kind of thing we experience in the United States \"when we have pressure groups going to Congress \"or going to the various departments \"of agriculture and such \"to get across their needs and their interests?\" And I think there's some important differences, it's hard to get a clear idea of any sort of one general difference, but there are many differences which when you add them up, amount to a kind of global difference between pressure groups in our style of democracy and mass organizations in a situation like Nicaragua. First, in the Nicaraguan situation, the mass organizations that we're dealing with are organizations of the lower classes, even though we're talking about a organization of small owners who are small capitalists, we're still talking about people who are not large landowners, they're not large industrial owners, they belong to the petty-bourgeois kind of element in a society. Pressure groups in the United States tend to be groups that involve upper classes, and then you also have lower-class groups, but you have a mix, in Nicaragua, where there's a much greater homogeneity as far as the mass organizations is concerned. Second, there's an autonomy in the case of a state in the United States, pressure groups petition the state, they go to the state and make a petition, and the state begins to move with a certain demand through an elaborate kind of political mechanism. That's very different from a kind of direct negotiation that goes on in the Nicaraguan situation. The direct negotiations indicates a much closer relationship between the state and the society, a lesser kind of autonomy between the state and the society. A third characteristic that I think differentiates these mass organizations from pressure groups of the sort we're familiar with is that the state in Nicaragua depends upon these mass organizations to get anything done. Unless they can convince the mass organizations, in some cases, of a policy that they want to carry out, the policy just does not get carried out. And the final thing, which is maybe the most important, is that there are shared goals. The people, even in context where the state is having to take tactical moves that are not in their immediate interest, feel that there is a shared goal of promoting the interests of the lower classes in the society. That is that the priorities are, if not immediately, at least in the long run, in the interest of the lower classes of the society, which is certainly not what can be said in a society like ours in the United States. Now, if one wanted to look for a theoretician who embodied a view of things that was close to what I'm describing as bargaining democracy between mass organizations and the state, then I would suggest that that theoretician would be the Polish communist, Rosa Luxemburg. Rosa Luxemburg engaged in a number of heated debates with Lenin, over a number of years, and she was ultimately killed in the German Revolution that followed World War I. But the idea that she presented in many of her writings and what she used to criticize Lenin with included the following theme, and that is that there always has to be a balance between the mass character of a social movement and its final end, where it wants to go. And she thought that a party or a state which pursued the final end by ignoring the mass character, the popular character of the movement, was quickly going to dissociate itself from the movement and move in a direction which involved becoming a dictatorship over the movement. So in her writings on the relationship between the class and the party, she always emphasized the importance of negotiations between any sort of leadership group and the mass that was essential to the movement. And it's just that kind of dialectic between a mass movement and goals as enshrined in some sort of leadership group that I'm talking about in the Nicaraguan situation and I'm saying characterizes the democracy in Nicaragua. All right, now, the next thing I wanna say has to do with the following kind of question. How is democracy guaranteed in a situation like Nicaragua? Well, let's face it, as far as democracy is concerned, there is never any ultimate guarantee, you can never be sure that you're gonna wake up tomorrow and there's gonna be democracy. Now, there's no way of a priori having a guarantee about democracy, you can say, \"Well, if you have a parliament, \"that will be democracy. \"If you have a supreme court that is not bought off, \"you'll have a democracy,\" we all know that these things are subject to forces from the outside that can overcome them, so ultimately, the guarantee for democracy in a society is going to depend upon the forces in that society and where they want to go. If the forces in that society decide, \"No, there can't be a democracy,\" then democracy's gonna be shaky and perhaps overthrown. If the forces in a society decide that it is beneficial to them to have a society that is democratic, then they can have one. So I don't want to say that there is any organizational guarantee for democracy, and I don't wanna say that bargaining between the state and mass organizations of itself is going to guarantee that democracy is perpetuated in Nicaragua. The oddest thing that could happen is this, if the mass organizations become weak for whatever reason, there's no longer a guarantee of democracy, if the mass organizations decide, \"Well, it's too much trouble to go to meetings, \"it's too much trouble \"to hassle with elections in the mass organizations \"to make sure that they're kept democratic \"and that their leadership represents \"the interests of the people in the organization,\" if that happens, then you're not gonna have this kind of democracy anymore. You're gonna say, \"Well, wouldn't it be better \"if you had a parliament? \"If you had a parliamentary system, \"people don't have to go to meetings every night, \"they just make sure that their representatives \"get to at least 50% of the votes \"that they have in the parliamentary body.\" Is that a guarantee for democracy? Well, who's to say that a strong executive under those circumstances couldn't take over from the parliamentary body, you can have a perfect constitution and you're not going to have a guarantee of democracy. Now, in fact, in the Nicaraguan situation, there is a parliamentary body in addition to the mass organizations, and the parliamentary body represents forces in the society that are not represented in the mass organizations. The parliamentary body represents opposition parties which have very little or no tradition of participating in the mass organizations, they don't try to contest for leadership in the mass organizations, so the parliament is the place that their voice can be heard. And it's reported in the newspapers on a regular basis in Nicaragua what goes on in the parliament, you have opposition parties calling for ending the draft, calling for measures that would undercut the government and those measures are debated and they are reported on a regular basis in the newspaper, including the official Sandinista newspaper in the country. But the parliamentary organization in the state plays an important role alongside the mass organizations. If one had the parliamentary body there without the mass organizations, one would have a society with a considerably lesser degree of democracy than one would have with those mass organizations present there. So the mass organizations are an essential element in giving the society a higher degree of democratic character. Now, one can look at the state in Nicaragua, as in other places, as having two sides to it. On the one side, you've got a state that is functioning to realize a certain goal, it's a goal-directed aspect of the state. In most societies, the state is functioning to recreate the society from day to day, you wanna wake up the next day and find that you live in roughly the same kind of a society that you've got now. In Nicaragua, the goal that the state is operating toward is the goal of socialism. They have a mixed economy in a transition period, but the goal of the state is to move the society, to budge it along, in the direction of socialism, that is, a society in which there's widely shared control of production. 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Nicaragua.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40509/file/112158#t=2446.19,2448.31"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40509/file/112158/transcript/25250/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, what I'm telling you is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40509/file/112158#t=2448.31,2449.41"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40509/file/112158/transcript/25250/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that there's no single answer to your 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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40509/file/112158/transcript/25251/annotation/700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- While pursuing a goal of social change, and by which it makes sure it doesn't pursue that goal of social change by trampling people under foot, is the mechanism of bargaining with mass organizations. Now the pursuit of that goal of socialism involves not just an even increase in the control that people have over the productive process and an even increase towards direct democracy. It's up and down, there are crisis. There are things like the Contra war, which certainly put a limit on how far you can go in that direction of realizing this goal of a new society. Now in the recent past, the state has taken some steps that have to be regarded as non-democratic. And I'm not talking about the sort of thing that Ronald Reagan or Elliot Abrams would talk about as lack of democracy. What they mean by lack of democracy in Nicaragua is the fact that the country is ruled by a party that doesn't want to play ball with North American imperialism. It's ruled not by their friends, but by another group of people. That is what it means to say it is non-democratic from that point of view. I'm concerned with whether or not the society is really democratic and I can give you some instances where it wasn't. One of the cases was last June. There were two big reforms that took place last year. One of those reforms was the change over of the currency, which caught the Contras off guard. There were 40,000 people in Nicaragua who knew that there was going to be a change of currency. And one of the purposes of that change of currency was to leave the Contras with a lot of valueless cordobas, the money they needed to live on inside the country. It's very hard to imagine a state secret being kept by 40,000 people, but there were at least 40,000 people in Nicaragua interested enough in trying to end the Contra war that they allowed this devaluation to go on. You can't have a debate on the devaluation in a totally democratic way and still catch the Contras off guard. They'll come into the state bank with their cordobas and change them in for the new cordobas. But they were in Honduras with their cordobas and they were using those cordobas to send soldiers into Nicaragua with. So they were left with paper, but it couldn't have been a thoroughly democratic decision because you couldn't have had the effect that it would have had. Now, in June, the government followed up on those economic reforms by doing several rather drastic things. One, it stopped the export import subsidies through the special exchange rates, which only made sense, because that was just a drain on the treasury and the private investors were not making use of the money they got from that to invest in productivity in the society. They were using it to get money out to Miami. That measure was taken in June. There was very little discussion of that with the populace and the reason there wasn't discussion of that with the populace was because it was along with another measure, which was, the government abandoned the wage scale which at least put a floor under the wages that many employees were getting. And that meant that wages were gonna go down even further. And as wages went down further, the government was in real danger of alienating thoroughly the classes in the society that it most depended on, since it was presumably a government that was going to support the lower classes in the society. Now, I think that that policy of allowing wages to go onto the market, allowing private employers to give the wages that they want, is perhaps a mistake in policy. Because the assumption there is that this will contain inflation and I've already indicated that that's not the main cause of inflation. But there's one thing that that's done, which has had an enormous effect of a democratic sort in a society that might not have been anticipated before. You notice the ATC protested wages, started militant collective bargaining, and started occupying farms, indicating that the ATC at least, the agricultural workers union, was becoming dynamized by the very process of allowing wages to go lower. Now, it's one thing to have democracy, it's another thing to have an empty belly. The reduction of wages has dynamized the mass organizations, the neighborhood organizations, the unions. They've taken off again because of the opening to collective bargaining that has been possible through the lowering of wages. But at the same time, people are moving out of the work into an informal sector, selling tortillas on the street corners, selling boiled corn on the street corners, hustling of any sort, because they can make more money doing that than they can with their worthless wages. So there's a real bind here. And one test of whether the government is democratic, will be precisely whether they respond to that undemocratic measure by raising the wages. Now, let me finish up by talking for a minute here about what sort of guidelines you could follow in trying to realize justice through bargaining. How fast can a state, that is pursuing a goal of social change, move at the expense of a population who has to bear the brunt of undertaking that social change? In theories of justice that have been developed in our country, there is the idea that you shouldn't demand of any previous generation, that it's going to sacrifice more for you than your generation is willing to sacrifice for the generation that follows it. Now, that's a principle that you'd think is relevant to the process of a society that's engaged in social change. If a society is engaged in social change, one wants to know how many sacrifices, in terms of low wages, in terms of cuts in social benefits, Nicaragua would be happy to have a social safety net. They don't even have a social safety net now. in terms of the state, because the state is bankrupt. How many sacrifices can you demand of people to realize a social change? How much do you have to give them in order to make it a just arrangement? Well, this is a very abstract way of putting the problem. I don't see that if by using that kind of principle of reciprocity between generations is ever gonna get us anywhere in settling the problem of how many sacrifices you can demand of people. The real problem here is not, how much should your generation sacrifice for the next generation and how should that relate to what the previous generations have sacrificed for you? The real question is, what is the nature of the bargaining situation that you're in, when you're bargaining between mass organizations and the state? The mass organizations are saying, we have certain interests that cannot be completely ignored. And the state is saying, we have a certain task which you have asked us to perform, namely, leading us to change the society. Now, in that situation, we want to say that the outcome is going to be just, provided the bargaining is free. that is, neither side is threatening the other, and if the two sides share some sort of a common goal. So in the outcome, based on understanding what the common goal is and based on non-threatening approach to the bargaining, is gonna be one that recognizes the needs of people who are being asked to sacrifice, and at the same time recognizes the validity of the shared goal that they have. I think that's about as far as we can go in asking for any sort of formula for justice. If the state says, we the state are pursuing a good goal, therefore you should make any sacrifice that's necessary to realize it, that's not going to be a situation that leads to justice in making sacrifices, because the party that's asked to make the sacrifices is not being consulted, it's being told. The goal is good, therefore make the sacrifices. On the other hand, if the situation is one in which the people who were asked to make the sacrifices tell the state, big brother, we don't wanna have anything to do with you, blow off, we're going to have a feast and if we don't realize our goals, that's just too bad. That's not a very sensible situation. The state is there to perform certain tasks, I would say, in the transitional period. The purist will say, you should never bother with the state. The anarchists will say, you should never bother with a state, so tell big brother to blow off. But how are you going to get through an economic crisis without having some sort of central mechanism for arranging the situation? The economic crisis that Nicaragua's in is not simply a pure, free market situation where you can say, well let's just wait around for a few years and the free market will settle the problem. It's not that kind of situation at all. You're not in a free market situation where you're being boycotted, where you're being attacked by countries from the outside. That is the situation which doesn't allow for ideal market conditions. So there has to be some sort of central decision-making to organize the economy. All right. One question that I hope is perhaps in the back of somebody's mind here is this, how can we talk about justice in a situation where the state is working for the interests of one class or group of classes in the society and has decided that it is not going to make as a priority it's interest in all the classes in the society? Now, the big difference between Nicaragua now and Nicaragua before the revolution, was that Nicaragua now there is at least obstensively a commitment to working for the improvement of the lower classes. Whereas previously, that was not the case. Previously, the society was organized in such a way it worked for the interests of a clique around the leader of the country, Somoza, a section of the capitalist class of the country. And you'd wanna say, isn't this just going from one extreme to the other? Haven't we got a situation here where we replaced one sort of class bias for another class bias? Shouldn't it be a situation where we run the society for all the classes in the society and we don't talk about running it for the interests of just the lower classes? Well, that is something I could thoroughly agree with on one condition, and that's the condition that there wasn't a real conflict between those groups in the society. If indeed there is a conflict between the interests of those groups in a poor society like Nicaragua, there is just no way in which you're going to be able to settle for going for everybody's interests. The interests are going to conflict. So you have a choice. And Nicaraguan revolution was an instrument of that choice. The Nicaraguan revolution was a revolution about whether the society was going to continue to benefit the same group of people. Now, the group that ultimately formed the Contras was very disappointed because they said, well, the society should not just serve the interests of the clique around Somoza, it should serve the interests of all the owning elements in the society. And the revolutionaries said, that's one alternative, but it's not the alternative that's motivating the people who are fighting with us, because the people who are fighting with us are not owners. And we don't see owners in this struggle to overthrow Somoza. The struggle to overthrow Somoza was a struggle that was not organized and implemented and given backing by the owning classes in Nicaragua. So the Sandinistas said, look, the way the social forces in this country are moving, we have got to say that this revolution is about building a society where we're acting in the interests of only certain classes in it, not in the interests of all classes in the society. So, the condition for acting in the interests of everybody in the society would be a situation where you did away with conflict, and that would be a situation where you didn't have classes anymore. And that's somewhere beyond the transition to socialism. It's not in a transitional period, it's somewhere on the other side of the transition way down the road at which the state is aiming. But so long as you haven't gotten there, then it seems that you do have to make a choice. You do have to say that a country is going to be organized in such a way that the primary interests are that we use the state to satisfy our interests associated with one group or another in the society. But you cannot get a situation where you're going to say, that the state is satisfying the interests of all groups in the society where they have conflicting interests. In Nicaragua, the welfare of the peasantry is against the interests of a landowning class, which depended on low wages for its ability to make a profit on exports. That is a conflict. It's a basic kind of social conflict in a society which you cannot just wish away and say, wouldn't it be nice if we could have a government down there that acted in the interest of all the classes? Now, one thing I wanna leave you with is that neither the Reagan administration, nor the Bush administration, neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party is interested in having a society down there that acts in the interest of all the people. The ruling groups in this society aren't interested in seeing the Sandinistas leave the government of that society and seeing that that society falls back in the hands of the people who own the land and the people who own the factories in that country. And the reason that the Sandinista revolution is an interesting one, and the reason I've described it as one which is transitional to socialism, is because the way the government has run the society is in the direction of benefiting the interest not of those owning classes, but of the lower classes in society. Well, thank you very much.\r\n\r\n- When we were taking I was consumed with the comparison with the United States and industries. And you said there was, I think I got this right, that there was a closer relationship and the US government?\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Right? If that's the case, then I think it follows, and I'd like to think this, then how come it took so long for the government to raise wages and so long to do anything intelligent about runaway inflation? That seems to be inconstant.\r\n\r\n- Well... one of the things that would be interesting is if there were some explanation as to why the government makes so many mistakes in terms of it satisfying the interests of some other group in the society. Let's say that we wanna say, the reason they messed up was because they really wanted to take full and total power and that would reduce the power of all the lower classes in the process, okay? That might be an explanation, okay? One possible explanation. But I think that there are also some other explanations. One is, that they were genuinely looking for a way of having peace with many of the big landowners and many of the industrial owners. They did not want them to go away. They wanted to try to work with them as long as they possibly could, because they knew that they were inexperienced economically, having been rebel leaders, and they just assumed that the economy was in the hands of a reliable sort. So, they made tremendous concessions for these people. They pushed state money in their direction in an incredible way. And they had a philosophy of having a mixed economy which seemed to legitimate doing this. We want a mixed economy, so in order to keep the owning classes happy, we must push money their away.\r\n\r\n- That sounds a lot like America.\r\n\r\n- What?\r\n\r\n- Sounds a lot like the ruling class in America. Sounds a lot like telling the maintenance workers on airlines to drop dead, because we're gonna keep the capitalist owners happy.\r\n\r\n- It sure does and I can't disagree with that. And there are plenty of people in Nicaragua who are saying that sort of thing today. And they've been saying it for some time, but think of the consequence. I mean, they had a large sugar mill, the largest one in Nicaragua, the San Antonio sugar mill, which was run privately, and the owner of the San Antonio sugar mill was held up as a model of a capitalist landowner and industrialist who cooperated with the Sandinista government. They felt that they couldn't run the thing and their efforts at running the state farms failed because they didn't have the experience in management. They sent people out from Managua to run the farms that had left and they found out that just because you happened to spend several years at the Central American University didn't mean that you were going to be able to run a state farm. So they said, let's keep as many of these people around as we can. We can't send them to Iowa State, educate them and bring them back in for you as we need to have people running state farms right now. So, what they didn't count on was this, they thought, and it's a kind of crude, Marxist mistake, they said, okay, these guys are capitalists. What are they interested in? Profits. What do we give 'em? Money. They make more profits with that money so they're happy. Doesn't work that way. If you're a capitalist, you're interested in political power, not just money. And one thing they didn't have in Nicaragua was political power. And there's an expression in Nicaragua, \"a bourgeoisie without hegemony.\" That's what we've done. We have a class that has economic power, but it doesn't have political power. And that might've been okay in 17th century or 18th century Britain, where the new capitalist landowners were not yet in political power, but they knew they were inexperienced, and old gentry could run the country pretty well, and do it for 'em. But they didn't trust the Sandinistas. And they knew the Sandinistas, at the same time that they were giving money to them, they were organizing strong unions on their land. So it was a crude, Marxist mistake to think that what the bourgeoisie wanted was money. They didn't want money, they wanted political power and that's why they formed the Contras. So, now they know that and they know that they can't have peace with those people. And that doesn't mean that they're going to tell them to go away, but that now that they're not going to try to buy them on the backs of the workers by giving them tremendous subsidies and by having exchange rates which are favorable for their imports and exports. Yes?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I think you're right. I took it for granted that the size of the military was a huge factor. It's interesting, if you look at the figures that some economists have estimated for the deficit of the country, the military is believed to be responsible for 25% of the deficit. Whereas, the factor that I've just mentioned to you is believed to be responsible for 12% of the deficit. So, given that the military is overwhelming as far as the deficit is concerned, when you add on top of that, another 12% for subsidies, including the exchange rate losses, that's an enormous addition. So, together those two things account for a large part of it. Another thing was extremely puzzling, was the fact that the banks were lending money, but not indexing the debt to inflation. So, if you borrowed a thousand cordabos, and by the end of the year, a thousand cordabos would buy what 100,000 cordabos would buy, you would only have to pay back a thousand cordabos. But if you saved that thousand, if you invested that thousand cordabos, you could presumably have easily gotten your a 100,000. So, what they finally did in these reforms last year was to say, that if you borrow $1,000, you're going to have to pay it back at the inflated value. The treasury was just bled dry by that huge amount, huge losses due to the inflation.\r\n\r\n- What effect did the embargo have on the economic situation?\r\n\r\n- I don't have the exact figures on the embargo, the amount of losses in terms of sales. It was enormous. One of the things was that many of the markets were found in Europe that substituted for the North American market. And that meant additional transportation and refrigeration costs and also a lot more spoilage on things like bananas. And the society was working with North American equipment, and though they could get Eastern European equipment, they couldn't get replacement parts for what they already had. And in many places, they didn't like the Eastern European or Russian equipment that they got. So that was a big factor in the boycott embargo as well. Yes?\r\n\r\n- Considering the particular position of Nicaraguan demands and also the fact that the large owners-\r\n\r\n- I'm sorry, would you mind repeating that? I missed the deep part of your question.\r\n\r\n- Well, my guess that because Nicaraguan-\r\n\r\n- That's an extremely important question, because in view of the elections that are being called for next year. The Nicaraguans agreed to put off the date on the national elections until next January, I think to next January and also there'll be having municipal elections at that time. Now, it's quite clear that there will be a lot of support behind some of the opposition parties. And some of the leaders of the Contras will come into the country and be part of that opposition. And I think that it will be a big fight. I mean, in a political sense. If the support for the Sandinistas in the study that was done last summer indicates that the Sandinistas have about a 30% support in the country with about 50 or 55% undecided. And the opposition has increased its support from about 8 or 9% up to closer to 20%. So, you've got clear gains on the part of the opposition. If the opposition were to coalesce, which hasn't happened yet. Many of the parties are still splitting up and fragmenting even further. If the opposition did coalesce and you got strong American support for an opposition, it would be a very tight situation for the Sandinistas in the upcoming elections. A large part of the dissatisfaction has to do with the economic crisis. So, it's conceivable that you could get a counter-revolutionary government voted in, in the country next January, which would lead back to the kind of bourgeois republic that the leaders of the Contras have always wanted to put in place in the country. Now, if that does not happen, and the Sandinistas are put back in office next January, then I think the possibility for reducing the conflict between the lower classes in the country and the owning classes is going to be much greater. Because at that point I think the opposition would simply say, we've given this a good try and we've been defeated both in a military war and in an election situation and we're not gonna hold on here any longer. And I think at that point many of them would begin to pull out and leave their holdings in the country. They've certainly made very few investments in the country. The investments that the private sector has made amount to only 20% of the investments in the country even though the private sector has 60% of the holdings of the country. Someone else, yes. Okay. Let me deal with the question about the military first. The Sandinista party has a ruling directorate. And in that ruling directorate you do have the ministry of interior, and the ministry of defense, Tomas Borge and Umberto Ortega. And all indications are that that has been a very collaborative body. Since the time of the fusion of three factions in the revolutionary group in '78, there's been a remarkable sense of collaboration in their leadership, which includes military, interior as well as the other areas of government. So, I don't think that there's any indication that at the top levels there's an effort to split off and that the military would have any kind of possibility of an autonomous movement apart from the rest of the state to take over. I think in Nicaragua, there are a lot of blurry lines between the military and the rest of the populace. One of the things that the Reagan administration tried to do is to say, that whenever there was any Contra attack, there was somebody with a gun. Well, Daniel Ortega distributed 300,000 AK-47s to the population. And can you imagine Ed Koch saying, down here at city hall we just had a shipment coming in of 300,000 AK-47s. Anybody wanna pick any up? Well, apart from the fact that William Bennett would object, since he's trying to get them thrown out of the country, there's no sharp line in Nicaragua. Here you have a government which is distributing weapons, which is not afraid of its population. New York city administration would be afraid of its population. It would not distribute those weapons. And if you go into a community in the countryside and you find armed people around and they belong to certain kind of military organizations, but there are hundreds of different kinds of military organizations depending on that particular tasks. So, as far as the standing army is concerned, standing army has something between 30 and 60,000 people, which is not a huge standing army for the country. Usually, the figures you see are figures which go from 300 to 500,000 people in the country under arms, but many of those people are in very informal type of military organizations. Okay, now the second thing had to do with how the mass organizations performed and what was the role of the party leadership in those mass organizations? There's no single answer to that question because many of the mass organizations were formed prior to the revolution, independently of the Sandinistas. And the Sandinistas, in their struggle, depended on winning the support of those mass organizations to the Sandinista struggle. And that was particularly the case with the peasants who had been militant for a long time. They were perhaps one of the stronger groups who had been organized before the revolution. In addition, the women were organized before the revolution. And during the revolution the committee for the defense of the neighborhoods were effectively organized in many, many places, because there was an insurrection in Managua in the months prior to the final victory of the revolution, which depended on very tight neighborhood organizations. So, the neighborhood organizations that emerged after the revolution were based upon the structures for support of the revolution that existed during the revolution. And one group that didn't go along with the Sandinistas, prior to the revolution, were the trade union organizations. And the Sandinistas had little luck organizing the trade union within the trade union organizations prior to the revolution. One of the reasons for that was that many of those organizations were associated with other parts. For example, the socialist party, which is a traditional Moscow oriented party in Nicaragua, had a rather strong section among construction workers in its trade union federation. There are also trade union federations associated with some of the other parties to the right in the opposition. And then there's the usual AFL trade union federation, that is the trading Federation set up by the AFL CIO, in conjunction with AID, which argues, of course, always for the right in Central America. So, it was only after the revolution that the CST, or the Confederation of Sandinista workers, was formed and they gradually organized many of the existing unions into it. But some of the efforts that they engaged in in forming the CST, were at the beginning, objectionable, from my point of view. And as a result, the CST has been one of the weaker mass organizations and the more party-dominated mass organizations in Nicaragua. So, what I'm telling you is that there's no single answer to your question. In every one of the mass organizations the history is different and the amount of autonomy the organization has from the party is different.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40509/file/112158#t=0.0,2473.01225"}]}]}]}