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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34593/file/103438/transcript/21165/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- [Instructor] I'd like to welcome you to this third lecture in the series entitled \"Does Faith Have a Future\" and a special welcome to those of you who may be joining us for the first time. From time to time a voice crying in the wilderness, crosses the boundary into the mainstream of life. This resulting cry both disturbs and proclaims hope. And forces us to consider the message that is being proclaimed whether we agree with it or not. Walter Brueggemann is such a voice. Currently professor of Old Testament and dean of academic affairs at Eden Theological Seminary. Professor Brueggemann is also an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ. He is a... He was born in Tilden in Nebraska, which is a fact we should not hold against him. And has received degrees from Elmhurst College, Eden Theological Seminary, Union Theological Seminary and Saint Louis University. Among his publications include such titles as: Tradition for Crisis, Study and Hosea, The Vitality of Old Testament Traditions, Living Toward a Vision, The Land, The Prophetic Imagination, and just released a new commentary on Genesis. For many Walter Brueggemann has been a voice for both inspiration and a voice that challenges us always to consider where our imagination might be taking us. As therefore with both expectation and anticipation, then I introduced to you Walter Brueggemann.\r\n\r\n- [Brueggemann] Well, I am glad to be able to follow the two speakers we've had. And I think mainly to echo some things that they've been saying, I think, I don't know, but I think my respondent and I have a thing in common, we are sort of to talk about the interface between religion and science. And I don't know how much he knows about one of those, but I don't know anything about the other one. So we ought to have an interesting time tonight. The general theme is, Does Faith Have A Future? And the specific theme I was given was, Can Science Save? What I wanna do is to play with those two titles. And then after I do that a while, I want to try to make three points. First of all, this title Does Faith Have A Future? I'm sure the planning committee worked on that quite a while, but I thought all the terms need clarification, which means I need to twist it so that I can talk about it. So first I want to say by faith, I mean, Biblical faith, Christian and Jewish, by which I understand a faith that is concerned with materiality. By which I mean a scandal of slaves who are free and a Messiah who dies, and by which I mean a radical egalitarianism that the first shall be last and the rich shall be sent empty away. So I think this question does faith have a future? Is only interesting if we understand by faith, that kind of faith that refuses spiritualizing that is not interested in being our holding action. And that makes revolutionary social promises. The second word is future and that also needs clarification because I understand the word future, not to be very interesting if it means will faith survive because of course it will in some form, as long as we're here. And we are not interested in a debate about how long do you think people will go on holding to that? Because some people will go on holding to that for quite a while. But I take the question really to mean, not is faith and extension of the present or is faith and extrapolation from the present, but in terms of biblical faith, can we think of a discontinuity so that something new will be given to us, that we do not yet have and cannot yet see. So the question about the future as a theologian, I understand to mean, does God have promises for us that have not yet been kept? And if you think it's not pressing it too much, I thought the word have was interesting too. Does faith have a future? In some ways that sounds to me like a very smug question. Like, do you think that a faith can make a case for itself so that we can go on tolerating it? Do you think that faith can fit in to everything else we got going? I don't think have the right word. How about give, can faith give a future? That seems to me to be a much more important question. Can faith be a source of newness that does not come out of us that comes at us. That bestows upon us possibilities that we cannot imagine or conceive or conjure. So the way I want to understand that question, does faith have a future? Is can these materials, scandalous, egalitarian promise, create a new world for us, that is not derived from the present data or the present circumstance? And that it seems to me is a very important and very interesting question. And that question is not an apologetic question. That is, it is not a question to try to persuade outsiders, to become believers. It is a question for insiders. It is a question that faith people in the church and the synagogue have to be asking. And I think we have to ask it with some doubt. About whether a biblical faith can hold out for us new futures and new possibilities of a certain kind of which we are not yet aware. And I think that we have to ask that question, in a cultural setting that is opposed to the idea. I think we live in a culture by and large, that is opposed to the notion of a free future that is egalitarian. And the believes there could be a future that is not derived from the present. I think that we live in a culture that wants us not to think of faith that is egalitarian or material, but wants one that is terribly spiritual. I think we live in a culture that wants us to forget the future by absolutizing the present so that we just sit around and be satiated. And I think we live in a culture that wants to have a future and not have one given to us. Now that question needs to be asked in the university like it needs to be asked everywhere. And that question requires hard disciplined intellectual power. But the answer will not be given by our best reasoning. Unfortunately, the answer will only be given in terms of commitment and in terms of the break of our ideological patterns, so that we have to be asking, are we willing to stake anything? Want a faith that promises us a radically different egalitarian future, that is not to be derived from the way the cards are currently stacked. That is, it's not somebody else's question. It's our question. Now, subtitle is Can Science Save? Well, I don't know what is meant by save, a lot of people who use it don't know what it means either. Theologically, the word save does not mean make us secure or help us survive. How about this? That to save means to let us be human and humane. So the question is what can make us humane toward one another and all the neighbors? I think that's a very important question in our drift toward fascism as we are forgetting what humaneness is about. And I really do speak diffidently about the word science, 'cause it's not my kind of a word. I find it interesting that the word science has now become an etiological word as in the phrase, creation science, whatever that means. But I take science to mean something like to know, to have knowledge, to have knowledge which gives us power to control and predict and per chance to understand. Now I don't know whether you think that's a fair translation of the question can science save? But the way I want to pose the question is, can knowledge make us more human and more humane? Serious disciplined knowledge. Now in the first instance, all of us would answer that, yes, because we are liberal and we are modern enough to believe that knowledge is good and we are not obscurantists. There is a famous story about John Wesley. John Wesley was a zealot for pastors knowing Greek and Hebrew. And he dealt with a brother who did not wanna learn Greek. And the brother sent him a nasty note that said, \"be assured that the Lord \"does not need your knowledge of Greek \"to bring in the kingdom.\" And Wesley who was never at a loss for words said, \"be assured good brother, that the Lord \"does not need your ignorance of Greek either.\" We do know, don't we? That it's problematic, but we do know that knowledge has ways of easing life, of releasing anxiety, of making us socially secure, of giving us the conditions that permit humaneness. But a case can surely be urged, no, science cannot save, knowledge does not make us humane. Because knowledge as we experience it and practice it tends often to contribute to oppression. This morning at breakfast, my 11th grade son was telling me that he's taken a speech course and he's learning all about defense mechanisms and he's able to analyze what everybody says in the family about why we're doing what we're doing. And then he paused and he said, \"but you know, \"it's very strange I now understand all that, \"but I keep doing it.\" And so I just laid the letter to Romans on him chapter seven . So it is not an argument, that knowledge is evil. But it is an argument that knowledge must be shaped and disciplined and energized by faith of a critical kind or it will willingly serve the etiologies of the day. So I pose those two questions, can scandalous egalitarian faith give us a future that we can't conjure? Can knowledge help to make us more human and more humane toward each other? And I would say that faith does give a future, but it is a costly decision and the future will be given only those who are prepared to break with whatever etiologies are around us. And the science can save, only when science can critically break with the etiologies that are around us. Faith gives an alternative future only at risk. And science can be permissive and supportive of public life, but it cannot finally save. Now those two conclusions are based on the premise and we may wanna talk about this. That what biblical faith affirms is that humaneness only comes from scandalous risk taking by persons and by community. So my premise for what I have to say is that it's not a simple question of faith and science but faith and science travel with a third partner. And the third partner vexes, both faith and science. And the third partner is etiology. That is neither theological nor scientific. We might quibble about how we would characterize etiology in our day, but I should characterize it publicly as consumer capitalism. That's what besets science and theology. And personally, I would characterize it as narcissistic satiation. That's what besets theology and science. So what I want to propose about both faith and science is whether there are among us the disciplines and the freedom and the gifts of the spirit that we should be practitioners of liberated imagination. That we should be free enough and open enough to imagine the world in wholly new configurations of power. 'Cause you know what it said in the church the seven last words of the church are, we've never done it that way before. And that really is the question in the church, and that really is the question in the university. About whether we are communities of imagination that can think new thoughts and make new gestures and discern new knowledge. that is not simply a buttress for the way the cards are now stacked. And the problem is that all of a us in the university and all of us in the church got where we got because the cards are stacked that way. So we are not eager for a reshuffling. I wanna make three points about imagination. The first one is this, that evangelical imagination, I'm using the word evangelical now simply as a title form of gospel. Evangelical imagination moves against interest. And if any of you're a pastors can think I'm not telling you how, I'm suggesting that what the church needs to do is to educate people to be suspicious about all vested interest. By and large the theology the church has screened that out. So critical faith must reflect on social commitments and on the political interests of science. Not just science, but that's our subject now. Science purports to be objective and value free. And yet obviously most science is now made possible by political interest. The most objectivity that can be claimed for science is about technical questions and that kind of objectivity must be respected and valued. But it is clear that such technical judgments and technical objectivity never exists in a social vacuum. Even so-called pure science and pure research is funded, and that funding is never disinterested. So I am not interested in the complicated question of epistemological objectivity, I am more interested in the obvious sociological reality that science is an enterprise funded by and for the establishment. The consolidated centers of social power and technical means. It has been so since ancient efforts at science and that has not changed. Lewis Mumford has shown that already in the pyramid age of Egypt or in the middle bronze period of the astronomy of Babylon, the Royal Court was always the necessary patron of science. And predictably science served the programs and policies of that establishment. Partly that is a matter of material resources and the other ones you can mount it. Partly it is a statement about social need. It is that part of the community that needs that's in quotes, \"power and control and security.\" And so the book of Proverbs has it right. It is the way of kings to search out the mysteries in quote,\" to maintain the status quo.\" So what we have to think about is that the practice of science is inclined to be a conservative force. By way of contrast consider that the have nots, the socially marginal, do not have the where with all to mount scientific enterprise, tend to not to have the social imagination that it takes. And really they don't have the social need. Karl Popper who am I mostly do not understand, has observed that recorded history is always royal imperial history that is memory from above. And it is that memory that is taught in our schools. And then the non-believing Karl Popper, makes the extraordinary statement that the one exception to that is the history of Jesus. And the history of Jesus people, which is the story of the marginal. Now I think it doesn't take too much imagination to see evidences of that old alliance between science and social power. The fruit growers who are regents of The University of California, publicly fund research in the university to enhance their monopoly on the fruit growing. That's supposed to benefit the pickers, but not many believe that. The incredible gains in medical science, are a spectacular gain for research. But we should not miss especially in a capitalist society, that we don't have any delivery system that makes those gains available, except the people who are part of the social monopoly. It takes no great insight to see that science, the funding of science, and the legitimization of science is intimately linked to the war system. That science intends to serve security, which does not mean human security but the maintenance of the current monopoly, in the means of production. So as a political force, we can come back to the question, can science save? No, I am not interested in making a polemic and I may have slid over from science into technology and I know there is an important difference. But does seem to me that the practice of science tends to operate on a trickle-down theory. That doesn't trickle down very much. So that whatever science intends, it seems to me that it is the practice of a social interest that serves some at the expense of others. So the question, can science save? Is the question, save whom or save what for whom? And so we need to think through what it means to be saved in our society. I take it we all generally agreed that some cannot be saved while others are judged or abandoned or exploited. That there is no saving of some, unless all are saved. And so we may judge that science cannot save, until there is an abandonment of the social monopoly. Science can be a way of God's saving if science serves the whole human community. But science cannot save the whole human community unless there is emancipation, from every sense of absolute tirisin the present arrangement. Science cannot serve God's wellbeing among us, as long as science is the servant of absolute notions about the present arrangement which is a monopoly. I think the very difficult question to which I do not know the answer, can paraphrase the old scholastic question, is science not able, is the science able not to sin? That was the question Agustin put about human persons in general. Are human persons able not to sin? Can science serve human dreams or is science definitionally on the side of social monopoly? So I mean to be asking political questions about the relationship between imagination and vested interest. Just as a footnote, I want to turn the question around and say, it is not different with science than it is with theology. That's what we were talking about this afternoon. That theology also cannot save as long as theology is a servant of a social monopoly in the church. The problem of vested interest is a problem in both directions. And it is not theology pointing a finger at science. That's the first point. Second point is this, imagination moves primarily through pain. I want to argue that human heart is the irreducible datum than human heart is more fundamental to humanness than is joy. And if you are like me, you know that if you've ever had a bad back, because a bad back is more compelling than a good back, you'll notice it. And so what I want to argue about both faith and science is that they will only save if they are able to fully embrace pain as the place where human people have to live. That hardly needs arguing but we could say that Israel's history in the Old Testament begins in Exodus two with a groan. The Exodus begins when it says we groaned and God heard the groan. It is a story about eternity dealing with human pain. The early church is addressed always to the cross, which is our particular paradigm for human pain. And we say that the God of the Bible is acquainted with grief. And that poses the question, how do we think about science in relationship to human pain of vulnerability and weakness? I ask questions the answer to which I do not know. The question is, can science fully credit pain? Because I believe that a future for faith and science saving has to do with crediting pain. On the political arena, I don't know what you think about Reagan's economics. But I thought the whole game was given away the other day and his anger at the media, when he was crossed with the media, for putting interviews with unemployed people on television. He said, \"do you think it's news if somebody in South Succotash loses their job?\" What it is, if you happen to be in South Succotash and lose your job. That statement by the president was wanting to say the concrete specific pain is not news. And the gospel that we have on our hands is about the crediting of concrete specific pain. Because we dare affirm that pain is the stuff out of which comes human wholeness and humaneness. There's a marvelous story about that. You know, about the continuing saga of George Steinbrenner and Bob Lemon. I saw it in the paper again just yesterday. George Steinbrenner is the owner of the Yankees and he just hits anybody that he doesn't like, or he fires them. And Bob Lemon is his manager. And Bob Lemon is really a trouble for George Steinbrenner. He said in the paper yesterday, if Bob Lemon one more time does what he's not told, he's gonna be fired. I think it was a kind of a paradigm that in the world series, \"Last Fall\" you remember George Steinbrenner's little victory in the elevator because he lost the series. He beat up a guy he said and partly people thought Bob Lemon lost the world series for him. And Bob Lemon is something of a man. And he gave a press statement in which he said, \"baseball has been very good to me, \"I could not ask for another thing. \"Everything I have ever wanted in my life \"baseball has given me, \"except one thing that baseball cannot give me.\" He said, \"I had my 20 year old son die.\" And he said, \"when you've had your 20 year old son die, \"winning a baseball game, \"just isn't the ultimate importance.\" George Steinbrenner is on the other side of pain from Bob Lemon. I'm not making a tax on individual persons. I'm taking them as paradigms for how we understand the relationship between pain and our best capacity to know and understand and control and predict. Because we know that solidarity and suffering, binds people in community like nothing else. We also know that where pain is denied and where dismantling has not... And whether science can credit pain. Because pain has to do with unprogrammed rawness and unanticipated breaks. My impression is that, the myth behind science, is the rationalization and routinization of human knowledge. But particular pain cannot be routinized, or rationalized or made reasonable. I wanna make say a word then particularly about the social sciences and you may think they are not sciences. Maybe they are. But social sciences are committed to statistical generalizations that reduce and categorize the particularities of human suffering. Our most obscene example, I think is the daily body count in Vietnam. What the absolute rationality, enabled us to do was to reduce human suffering to a bureaucratic cipher. And that is not because anybody was personally calloused. It is because the interests of the establishment required it to keep the favorable status quo. So the question we have to think through, is the relationship between methods that routinize and regularize and the interest, the vested interest that wants us to deny pain through our routinization. I have been helped by an article by Levine who wrote not about Vietnam but about The Holocaust and he said, \"we got this round number now \"of 6 million Jews. \"And we say 6 million \"and we most don't notice it because it's become a cliche.\" And he draws the conclusions that what the social sciences have to do with human suffering is to treat human suffering with banality so that it does not out. Now, I do not want to make any elicit moves from the social sciences to the natural sciences. It just seems to me that these are the kinds of questions that we have to think about. Not because we're religious, not because we're scientific, but because we're human. We have to ask the question about, how should we speak about the body count? How should we speak about 6 million Jews? How would we do that to make sure that each boy in the body count is a body with a story and a whole social world shattered? That each boy in the body count has the image now broken in quite concrete ways? Where we have to pay attention to in our society is that we are not generalizations, but it is the slow concreteness of our life that makes us human. And it is the task of the religionists and the scientists somehow to make space for the slow concrete growns that are the only reliable guideline to newness. No, I won't say that theology has to answer too. Theology has not engaged in body counts. But what the catechisms have engaged in is silly talk about omnipotence and omniscience and omnipresence. And that's our particular form of covering up the weakness and the vulnerability and the concreteness and the scandal. So there are strange linkages between science that serves the etiology and religion that serves the etiology. Or per chance that science and religion can make a break for the sake of humanist. I read a piece in the New York times in October of a woman I never heard of before Macau Switz. She talks about what's happened in her community since she was a young child. She says they used to be poor, but they had enough money to contribute to milk for Jewish orphans. And they'd always feed a hungry man with cold potatoes. And she would listen to the story of the poor man as though she had never heard it before. And she talks about the Mitzvah, the commandment, the Mitzvah to feed the poor. And then she talks about her adult life, March of Dimes, UNICEF, freedom march from Selma to Montgomery. She says, \"I didn't tell my daughter that the trip was a Mitzvah.\" She concludes wistfully that fundraising is now computerized. And we do not let strangers in our homes and nobody is marching March anymore. And then she adds this zinger, \"the world grows larger and more complicated, \"yet pain and hunger have not lost their simplicity.\" Now you may think that's simply a romanticism of a world that has gone, and it won't work in a mass culture. Yeah, it may be romanticism, but it may be passion about pain and it may be compassion for humanness. So the question before us in our society, is whether we embrace concrete pain and whether we have the wits, the imagination to generate public policy out of that pain? Seems to me that the hard issue in our culture is not strategy, but it is the underneath issue about whether human life revolves around human suffering. And our answer in our faith tradition is yes, that suffering is not just to be abolished, but it's to be received and embraced. Yeah, third point, is that imagination moves to promise. Many theologians are now saying, that we gonna reorganize our faith around the promises of God that are not to be extrapolated from the present. And the question now needs to be asked both theology and science, can it be promissory rather than a holding action rather than an endorsement of the status quo? Can it be organizing our power and our knowledge for newnesses that will surprise us? You see, promises are not available to us by scientific futuring. For scientific futuring, tends to look in terms of extrapolations and projections of existing trends. But a theological sense of promise is not shepherded in the categories of the known, but it shatters and disrupts and transforms these categories by which we habitually order our life. Now I think theologians in the biblical tradition must speak very leanly about promise. We mustn't say as much as they do on television on Sunday night. But we must speak about it. We must speak about the surprises that are either to be given because of our science or in spite of our science. Because we are the community that believes, that this isn't yet, yet. God's promises have an Exodus shape. The promises are all about freedom and justice and the end of oppression. Whether that oppression is socioeconomic, political or moral or epistemological. 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What we know is that promise is related to pain, that hurting people hope. It is numb people who do not hope. Suffering produces patience and patience produces character and character produces hope and hope does not disappoint us. Promises are made and they are fulfilled at the break points of human pain. So Paul writes in his most eloquent lyrical fashion that the whole creation groans in labor for the liberation of the children of God. That's a terribly unscientific statements, but what a way to view the created world that we are to understand scientifically. That the created world is in labor for the liberation of the creatures. Well, what it would mean if the growers instead of using university research for more productivity would use research concerning the unemployed and the unionized wetbacks? What would it mean if instead of more exotic medical research, the research would focus on first order delivery systems to match elemental hurts among the disadvantaged? What would it if instead of science serving the war system, science served the hunger system and the poverty system and the disease system in which we are all enmeshed? So those are questions you have to be answered about whether faith has a future or gives a future and about whether science can save. I find those three important agendas, imagination moving against vested interest, imagination moving through pain, imagination moving toward promise. There are two kinds of limits, I suppose, on science. One is the limit of our creatureliness that the gift of life has not and the tradition says will not be given over to us, that the holy power of God for life is not at our disposal. That limit gives us freedom for science so that we can operate to the full capacity of our creatureliness. The other limit is the limit of our sinfulness. I take it that sin is not an ontological category, it is a political category. It means that we willingly work out of our vested interests. And so science, like all other human enterprises, is called to repent. The promise of our faith tradition seems to me is that good theology makes easy cause with responsible science. That establishment theology does too much to legitimate ideological science. So we are left with the question of false loyalties, of calls to repentance, of deaths to die about our favorite commitments, and of hopes. Because the most hopeless are not those who have given up on the present. The most hopeless are those who are excessively embedded in the present and who are giving their life to keeping it intact. That's hopeless.\r\n\r\n- In terms of format, we'll hear the response and then take questions and comments from the audience. The responder to Professor Brueggemann tonight is Dr. Daniel Zaffarano, vice president for research and dean of the Graduate College at Iowa State University. Dr. Zaffarano.\r\n\r\n- I come here with at least two strikes against me. I refused to join the Toastmasters club once because I felt like we'd never be able to give a decent extemporaneous speech. And secondly, I was raised in the Catholic church and all I know about the Bible is what Father O'Connell told me about the Bible and catechism, we were never encouraged to read it ourselves. And I've heard quotations, which I try to remember but somehow I've never done the thorough job of reading the Bible that the scholars should do. My wife cautioned me before I left home, \"Don't start quoting the Bible.\" I'll try to refrain from that, although there was one quotation I was asking her to help me with. And I also did my homework. I read what I could of this book on the prophetic imagination and the title intrigued me because I felt that Brent waters of all people was certainly filled with prophetic imagination when I imagine he expected that I was going to embarrass myself in front of all you people. I read this book and as many of the books that students are asked to buy do, there wasn't a thing in this book that helped me with the lecture. So you have my sympathy, students. I've been trapped, too. The first point that Dr. Brueggemann made that, which we agree is that we don't understand create a science, but I won't say anything more about that. Okay, now I guess the best I can do is try to go through some of the remarks he made and comment on them. He mentioned that faith science and ideology must travel together. I said to myself, my God, I'm still going on with last night's meeting. Last night's meeting had to do with the philosophy of research at Iowa State. And particularly why did we accept money from the Defense Department to do research using nerve gas? And that's exactly exactly the topic of last night's discussions. Ideology must go along with faith and with science. And... I liked your statement about the seven last words, I thought that was really cute. You've never done it that way before. Well, and his comment about creative thinking, about creative thinking, he started to play into my ballpark because creative thinking is what graduate education is all about and it's something I like to preach. In fact, the statement I like to make is that when you're an undergraduate, you're so busy preparing for the quiz next Friday or preparing a term paper or worrying about whether the teacher's gonna call upon you in class that the concept of creative imagination, of dreaming, of thinking about the future, of prophesizing is a luxury which you can engage in maybe on Sunday morning as I did when I was sitting in church, but there was rarely time otherwise to indulge in that. And the difference between undergraduate education and graduate education, I like to preach, is the fact that in graduate school, we are endeavoring to develop your creative imagination. We're endeavoring to give you time, to give you incentive and encouragement to think creatively and originally. So that's what graduate education is all about. And that of course is my bag and that's what I push. And that's why I wish every undergraduate here who has any confidence in his or her creative imagination should apply to graduate school. It is true to some degree that scientific research is funded by the establishment. It's certainly true. If in the establishment you include the State of Iowa, which funds about half of the scientific research done on this campus, the taxes that you pay in the State of Iowa fund half the research, the basic scientific research in this establishment. Most of the other scientific research in this establishment here in Iowa State is funded by the National Science Foundation whose funds come from your taxes and from the National Institutes of Health whose funds come from your taxes, National Institute for Endowment, National Endowment for the Arts and for the Humanities. Less than 2% of the money which comes to fund scientific research on this campus comes from the Department of Defense. Less than 2%. Professor Brueggemann said that he said he thinks that the practice of science is inclined to be a conservative force. Inclined to be a conservative force. And this bothers me very much because I consider personally that the practice of science is anything but a conservative force. He said the practice of science operates on a trickle-down theory but rarely gets the job done. And if that is so, the trickle down theory of science, the benefits of science, the rewards of science rarely get the job done, then Professor Brueggemann and I read completely different journals, completely different newspapers, and listen to completely different lectures. Rarely trickles down, is that right? I like to remember that early this week, Monday, an object 363 feet long and 3,000 tons worth blasted off into space. And there were a lot of people, many thousands of people that watched that event, and many watched it at home and many have read about it. And talking about prophetic imagination, the concept of colonizing space, the concept of doing experiments on space lab, experiments on the effect of weightlessness, to try to understand how the students experiment on how moths and bees and so forth can navigate and can fly in a weightless environment. The concept of growing food in space, of establishing colonies, of mining the Moon, if you like, those things, to me are fascinating. The concept of an orbiting telescope which is going to be launched, I think late this year, which will enable us to go 14 billion light years into space. If that isn't prophetic imagination in terms of what can be done, what might we learn, I don't know what is. Certainly, most of you have heard of these things. I think that concept, the enthusiasm, the reasoning trickles down in all aspects of human life. Science, I think trickles down. Let's take some of the necessities of life. Let's look at food. At this university and at many other universities, we are concerned about how to grow more food with our ever-increasing population. We're interested in getting rid of some of the chemicals we must use to grow food. We're working very hard here on nitrogen fixation, how these little nodules on the roots of the soybean plant fix nitrogen and then make the nitrogen available as nitrates to the plant so the plant will grow. We would like to put those nodules on the roots of corn and we're working hard on that. And this is basic human need. This is food. And I'm sure many of you have heard of this kind of scientific research and are possibly as excited about it as I am. In terms of health, human health, another need. I'm sure you've heard of interferon. Here is a magic substance, a magic substance, which may cure cancer, but it's a magic substance. It is extremely costly to make and it's being proposed, though it shall be made by genetic engineering. Genetic engineering. Whoever heard of that a decade ago? Isn't that exciting, the possibility of treating diabetes by genetic engineering or treating what I have, it's called thalassemia by genetic engineering, by transplanting some bone marrow with different genetic content into humans. In terms of communication. We're in a revolution right now in terms of fiber optics. We can carry a thousand telephone conversations in a fiber which is about five millimeters in diameter of glass. Who has the imagination? What kind of people had the imagination to think of doing that? To investigate as to whether that could be done? Is it driven by the establishment? Sure, you bet it is. AT\u0026T was extremely interested in this. Why? Because we can make telephone lines now out of silica, out of sand, instead of copper, a scarce material, which gets corroded. Of course, it's driven by the establishment. But communication is being pushed by science, by people with imagination who dare to dream things that others never dreamt before. In terms of our comfort, fusion energy may come. Fusion energy may come. People are dreaming about monstrous devices to take deuterium which we could get from seawater and get energy from it. If science isn't prophetic, isn't imaginative, what is it? Who thinks these ideas, if it isn't the scientists? In education, there's a revolution taking place now. What? Computers, computers. Computers, you all know it's doing all kinds of crazy things to our lives and people playing Pac-Man who never saw a computer before and are fantastically impressed with what can be programmed into a little read-only memory, a little chip that big. So what I'm saying is I think, if anything, the scientists are leading the world in terms of prophetic imagination. The things that are being dreamed today people didn't dare dream a decade ago, even two decades ago. And there are always new ideas coming up. I think Dr. Brueggemann makes a great case for graduate education and that's why I'm so pleased to talk about it. That is what graduate education is. Its very thing, it's nurturing, developing your prophetic imagination, your creativity. He says that imagination moves primarily through pain. Well, about the only people I know who will agree with that completely is probably graduate students before their prelims. But for many of us, imagination moves through sheer pleasure, through sheer pleasure. The luxury of sitting in church on Sunday morning and dreaming about the nucleus of the atom gave me great pleasure, among other things that I've dreamed about and thought about. But the luxury of being able to have time and quiet and solitude to contemplate the wonders, the mysteries of the universe, that luxury which some scientists, many scientists attempt to find time for is a source of great pleasure. A great pleasure, of great thrill. I'll go to that far. I can remember the day in my graduate education I was in nuclear physics at the time that it was fashionable to be there when I wasn't a bad guy as I am now but I can remember practically the day that I was looking at my data. I was all by myself, one evening in the laboratory. And I suddenly realized, you know, my gosh, I know more about the radioactive decay of antibody 124 than anybody else in the whole wide world. And more than anybody's ever known about it. It may be an awfully small little bit of knowledge but I am the world's expert in this. And it was as though a light bulb turned on in my head. And I said, my goodness, there's something to me that I didn't realize I had, I am capable. I'm making a case for what I know, of course, which is graduate education. Dr. Brueggemann says that science, and I think these are his words, is the routinization and the rationalization of human knowledge. I disagree. Science is a heck of a lot more than that. Teaching maybe is the rationalization, routinization, systemization, ordering, putting together in a logical pattern, human knowledge. That's the only way you're gonna understand some of these complex phenomenon, which are now being described. You've got to go through it in an orderly fashion. Well, it wasn't discovered in an orderly fashion, it was discovered stochastically, a piece here, a piece there, a piece there. And some very bright guy like Einstein came and put it all together. And that's the way we teach it to you. Routinized, systematized, orderly. That's teaching and that's what a good teacher does. But a university teacher does more than that. University teacher not only puts together knowledge in an encapsulated form that you can assimilate as being logical, but that teacher also advances human knowledge. That teacher also is a researcher, a scholar, a creator who continues what he or she learned in achieving a PhD degree, going out and probing the unknown, imagining, imagining, prophesying what might happen if, if we could find a cure for diabetes, if we could increase the longevity of human beings by erasing disease, if we could grow all the food we needed without polluting our water with nitrites and nitrates. That is what science is. And in fact, I like to think, and this may be, I hope I'm not being sacrilegious in saying this, but I would like to make the case that scientists are about as close to theological expression, theological thinking as most ministers scientists are. Scientists like myself look up into the sky and think, you know, there are quarks. There are quasars, there are pulsars. The sky is blue. The sun rises and sets. Who conceived all this wonderful stuff? And how do I understand some of these things? You know, my field is nuclear physics and I deal not with the large things that you deal in astronomy but with the nucleus of an atom, which is made up of protons and neutrons. And the question is why are nuclei of atoms put together that way? Why is calcium a more stable substance than lithium, for example? Why? Who conceived of this? Scientists are examining God's world. They are fascinated. They're enthralled by the concept that if we work hard, if we think clearly, we can understand a little bit of what God did, and that's the thrill of being a scientist and that's what drives our imagination. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- We have time now for questions or comments that may be directed to either Dr. Brueggemann, Dr. Zaffarano or to both of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34593/file/103439#t=0.0,1490.99102"}]}]}]}