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Finally I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2058.61,2060.61"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mean this woman Virginia value and writes about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2060.61,2062.45"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gender schemas we look at men and women","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2062.45,2064.67"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"differently. We impose a set of preconceived ideas","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2064.67,2067.31"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on them. Men are powerful and strong women are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2067.31,2069.62"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sweet nice all that. OK so continue continue have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2069.62,2073.49"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"women in power. We don't even know what women","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2073.58,2076.01"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"powerful women look like. We're not used to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2076.04,2078.47"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have all models we don't. We have only one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2078.58,2080.72"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"image of power and that's a man. 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And none of us","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2086.96,2090.2"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/735","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"quite know. How to get there how to do that. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2090.2,2093.14"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so I think that's part of it. I myself worry about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2093.14,2098.09"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean I think there are women who are clearly","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2098.72,2100.25"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"totally driven really. Want to be like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2100.25,2104.15"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/739","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People who want to immerse themselves without the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2104.17,2106.16"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/740","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"complete immersion in science. And although you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2106.19,2109.01"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know maybe it would be nice to have a family too I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2109.01,2111.25"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/742","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recognize this as a choice an undergrad does not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2111.26,2113.44"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/743","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think the number of women or men who would","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2114.02,2116.45"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/744","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"give up having a family in order to be a scientist","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2116.45,2118.91"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/745","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know how many men would be scientists if","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2119.24,2121.13"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/746","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they had to make that choice. So until you can","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2121.13,2123.92"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"make that equal how you ever do how could you have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2123.92,2126.56"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/748","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"equal numbers. I don't get that. I don't think you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2126.56,2129.23"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/749","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"will because many women will not make that choice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2129.23,2131.72"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so you have to think about that whole issue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2132.35,2135.17"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's a complicated issue as we know. And I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2135.65,2138.23"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think know society is moving towards a more equal","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2138.23,2141.41"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"participation of men and women in the home and in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2141.41,2144.08"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the work but we're not there yet. Do your equal","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2144.08,2147.4"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how are you going to be equal. There's only one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2147.41,2149.63"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kind of equal. And we're not there. 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The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2152.87,2156.71"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"other question I have is even among those women","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2156.71,2159.59"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who choose it. And do make this Tracy complete","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2159.62,2163.46"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"commitment and even if they could find a man who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2163.46,2165.14"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/761","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wanted to be their wife so to speak and take care","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2165.14,2167.9"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the children primarily whatever. Even he found","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2167.9,2170.83"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"totally equal whatever. Do they want to be. How","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2170.83,2175.83"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"many women will go for the power at the top which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2175.91,2178.29"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is going to be competitive. Oh it's OK. And this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2178.29,2180.83"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is a question that fascinates me now and I have no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2180.83,2182.85"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"idea what the answer is. And as I say what we saw","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2182.85,2185.96"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in our group was that what I saw among a small","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2185.96,2188.12"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sample we had was I saw that these women were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2188.12,2190.94"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"driven by passion for science. 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And I don't see","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2202.67,2205.55"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that in these women. I don't see it in myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2205.55,2207.92"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Either. I think these people men are crazy. 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You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2245.81,2247.06"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think we just don't know and I think what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2251.14,2253.12"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would be a wonderful thing would be I mean in some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2253.12,2255.37"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ways. I think in our minds it's interesting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2255.37,2258.77"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because my friend Jim Watson my good friend Jim","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2258.77,2261.01"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Watson. He's still a very close friend but we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2261.01,2264.82"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"don't talk too much about this work I've done on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2264.82,2266.74"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"women and science because he doesn't believe in it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2266.74,2268.87"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/799","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and one day he said Me No Nancy that none of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2269.2,2271.93"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/800","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's true. I said What do you mean. And he said","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2271.93,2274.93"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"well if you want to be a great scientist you have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2274.96,2277.54"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be a shit. Women aren't. And that was really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2277.54,2280.36"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/803","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sad and at some level I know just what he means.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2280.36,2282.67"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/804","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's it sums it up very well. And so here is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2282.7,2284.83"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/805","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something that sums it up very well and women","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2284.87,2287.98"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/806","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"don't want to behave like these men. They don't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2287.98,2289.81"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"want to be like that. And can you take it to the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2289.81,2292.99"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"top. Yes you can. But it sure is harder. So will","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2292.99,2297.45"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they just say Oh the hell with this it's not worth","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2297.45,2299.29"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it. Who needs this and walk away. This whole","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2299.29,2302.11"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"obsessive competitive thing. But I think. You know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2302.11,2305.96"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/812","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what we do see now which course didn't exist when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2305.98,2308.05"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/813","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went in science there are women who really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2308.05,2310.12"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/814","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably will win the Nobel Prize. 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Yes I sitting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2311.62,2314.11"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there perfectly candidates to be really mean women","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2314.11,2317.05"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are making it really to the highest levels. 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And I chose a field which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2343.21,2346.09"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/826","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was dominated by a very powerful woman actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2346.09,2348.91"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I found it was a much better field of work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2349.54,2352.03"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's molecular and it was developmental","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2352.09,2354.34"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"biology. 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Gosh I don't I will be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2678.25,2682.66"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/940","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remembered. So who knows. But I still remember","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2682.66,2686.99"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/941","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your children. I don't have any children. 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Twenty nine","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2694.81,2698.89"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/944","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years ago. I knew there were a lot of women who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2698.89,2701.98"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/945","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had. Given. Up. A lot. 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Well thank you very much for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2724.11,2726.39"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/953","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this interview and I wish you luck in enjoying","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=2726.39,2729.0"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924/transcript/36683/annotation/954","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your vacation. All right baby to go. 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It's April 13th 2002. Said Dr. happens if you tell me a little bit about your interest in science began in your childhood. Right. An educational experience. I. Just was good as a child you know in school. I went to a small private girls school in Manhattan. And. I think science teaching was pretty good actually. But there wasn't that much either because it wasn't that much of a demand for it in the class. The whole class my entire class when I began was about 20 students. When I finished maybe it was 30 but was a small number of people. And most of these young women. Had no intention to go on in science and when they left that school. But the teaching was good. The few small limited amount we had was excellent. High very high quality taught by excellent. Teachers most of whom were single women as I recall. Anyway. I loved it and was very good at math and. All the science that they provided. And we always. It was at a Manhattan school called Spence which is a small private girls school which was a very good school wonderful place and. Hard to get to to a private school. At school. Yeah I think my mother whose family was English and come to the United States was a very enterprising person and in her own family you know education was highly valued and there had been a number of scientists in the background who was in my father's side of a lot of lawyers in the background. But there was a emphasis on education. My mother loved science. The idea of science was an artist let's get their science and she. Was very supportive and encouraging ever talked a lot about these well-known scientist who have been in my. Grandmother's family I guess. And so she was a part of it. She read about science schools in Woods Hole and and took us there in the summer when I was about 13. I don't know if that had a big impression. That's a lot of fun. But I just liked it and was good and I loved it. And so when I went to college I went to Radcliffe. And. Expected to major in math or science that turned out when I got there. I had no idea what math really was about. I mean. It was not really taught in any advanced level where I come from. So I thought I'd majored in math but when I got there essentially another world and I really didn't relate to that I didn't. Know that my love was not enough math was really I mean I was some kind of math but it wasn't the kind that. Struck me. I took it for a couple of years and did it pretty well and it actually but it was pretty clear to me this was not my future. And then what happened I was trying to figure out what I could still majoring in graduate on time and I began to think. About. Money to do something useful for the world. You know you're idealistic at that point in your life. And I thought it might be fun to be a doctor. Although I must say. I intended always to marry and have family and. And somehow combine. Maybe having a job with having a family. But I certainly didn't think about doing what I'm doing. Anyway. I decided I could switch to biology and still fulfill all our clients and graduate on time. So in my junior year I decided to major in biology. And I went to take an introductory biology class in the spring of junior year. I guess. It was a fall. Back. Anyway. One of the lecturers there was four professors who taught it and one of them was James Dean Watson the man who discovered structure of DNA. And he came in and gave a lecture and at the end of that hour. That was it for me. I mean I was. Mesmerized. I still. Have it. So. I just was drawn like a moth to a flame. And I. Had to go I knew that I had to be near the microbiology. You could just see that this was some monumental thing that was needed. Explained really. Everything about life. And. You know I think when you're that age you. Know when I think a lot of college students are kind of trying to find out who they are and what life means and what their place in the world is and. Somehow seemed like this was the answer every question I've ever had. It was important. That. You. Could see that it was a profound. Revolution in science. And so I. Went to work in his lab. And that was the. Man that. Was. Like you know change my mentoring. Yeah. He. Had a lot of. He was a very. Unusual person and. He was. Still is he still a good friend. It's now. 63. So it's almost 40 years later. He's still a close friend. I actually. Had breakfast with him last week in Delaware where he was visiting town. He's 74 and it was a Thursday. Still friends. Yeah he. Was a very imaginative creative person. And even though it was sort of totally unusual for women at that time to become scientists. I think that. He saw. People as people and students as students and just looked for talent really. Courage many many many people. And helped many people start their careers. And. I was one of them. And so. We were. Friends and. This is still your undergraduate experience as an undergraduate. Yeah. Then when you went to grad school you're supposed to go on and leave Harvard and come back. Later you start to go to another institution. So. I went to Yale. And I wasn't happy that I went for a year and a half. And I found out. That I wasn't so secure in wanting to be a scientist. It was really being around Jim Watson and this group that he had built around it which was to be a service filling. And there was a particular project I wanted to work on which was to isolate something called the oppressor which was a protein that. Had been hypothesized to exist that you could never know. And I just wanted to work on that one project at that time in molecular biology. The next goal was always quite clear. So people say oh if somebody could figure out the answer to that question we would advance significantly and then we would you know. And it was. Quite a small number of people focusing on a small number of very precise questions and often when the question got answered. In fact. Somebody would win the Nobel Prize and you'd have to rethink your whole thinking and you know if somebody you knew would be winning then making discoveries like that every year year and a half and this was really establishing the foundations of molecular biology. So it was breathtaking. And I got to Yale and I said I wanted to work on this panel and they said it's too hard. And I said No I've got to get out of here. I couldn't find somebody who's outside. But I found the young man at Harvard who knew he wanted to work on it. And so I went back to Harvard and worked for him as a. Technician for about six or eight months to. Not dash me. And he solved the problem. To me and Harvard solved the problem in the same year. And I worked with him I did that and then. James said okay you had your fun now you've got good grad school. So. I went. Back to graduate school at Harvard and I got my. Do you have it. Working on this problem that I was so excited about again with. With Marc. Anthony. Yeah. And. I should. I didn't mention but when I went to college in my first week of college I met a man who became my husband. And so I got married. Quite young and. Then. I went back to have it in. Grad school. So. And again I assumed that I know although Jim encouraged me to get a there. Okay I get a picture. But you know really. I didn't really even think it matters that much I just cared about the science and doing an experiment I wanted to do. But I didn't think so much of I didn't care very much about it cause I didn't imagine myself being a professor at the university. I imagined myself you know maybe winning the Nobel Prize or something like that. But you know it's very you. To actually see a professor because I thought I was going to drop out of science before when I was about 30 and raise my family with it you know. Right. And so but after. The HD and I got interested in working on cancer which in fact motivated me to be interested in science early on because I was. In fact drawn to biology my mother had a very minor form of cancer when I was young it scared me. I wanted to work on that. So after I got my HD I said Okay now I think I'll indulge myself for a few more years and work on cancer research. And then I'll retire from science and have my family. So. I looked around to try to find somebody who was working on viruses that cause cancer. In animals and there was nobody in the Boston area at that time. And so that I could find to work with. So I did Jim Watson meanwhile had removed part time Bill Cosby hombre in Long Island to run a laboratory that was going to do cancer research. So I. Commuted between Harvard and this coast we have a lab I'd spend and we can have each place that is still married and then I would. Work on these tumor viruses. In about a year and a half or two years into that process. I was suddenly offered a job at. M.I.T. on the faculty and I was offered a job. On. The faculty at Harvard Medical School. And. This was quite a surprise to me because I as I say I just was immersed in the science just for the stomach didn't have any intention to really become a professor. And. But what happened just around that time was approaching 30. By then I was doing twenty eight or nine. And. Suddenly my husband decided that he wanted to get a divorce. So I thought well that throws a definite. Monkey wrench into the plans. So I was quite upset about it. But in the end I after long thought about what to do with my life you know I decided that I would. Accept the job at M.I.T.. Killing faculty not remarry not have a family and be a scientist. So that's what I did. Do you think you did is an outcome of. Your dedication to your career as a conflict. Of interest. I thought so at the time. And. I thought that it really wasn't. Compatible with the kind of obsessive passion that. These. By. You know. The people who did this kind of work hard for it. It was a very all consuming thing. So. I looked at. People Jim Watson's lab at that time. Molly Gilbert. Is. Now the professor and they ran a big lab together. And. While are also women a little prize and. I mean it was. Mostly men. And. They were working 70 hours a week. And. Many of them were already married very young women who stayed home and took care of children. So. I just didn't see how you could do the two things together. I couldn't imagine how it could. And I really had a passion for the science I was and I had to always tear myself away and go and be my friends my husband whatever and. You know get immersed in something else. But it was difficult. I found it was hard to turn myself away at the end of the day and this stuff which I was really obsessed with. So. I thought it would be hard. And when I thought about I was going to actually go to the faculty I thought well I know it's impossible for me to combine family and this job. So I love science. I think I'll give this a whirl and. Just. Just do it. See my side. I'll try that. One with them. I was then 30 I guess when I took the job at M.I.T. so. I. Mean. I'm. 59 and June. So. If you. Do two. Years. Twenty nine. Years ago. And so you had this business position at 19. And you. Stayed there for how long. I went there as an assistant professor. And I'm still there. And. I had a very difficult time. I found it was very difficult. I've. And. It's a complicated story. Looking back I still have a hard time really. Putting together exactly what it was science was supremely competitive. And I felt that. Early in my career I went into this to advance research and I loved it. I found it very interesting and I did well pretty well right from the beginning. So it wasn't a science I found hard. It was the culture. Of. The science that I found very hard. And I saw it in my own mind that the problem was that. I moved from this field working on their oppressor to working on cancer viruses and cancer. I thought well cancer must be a very very competitive field. But I had seen this competition already and we have a field that was it was very clear it was very very competitive science. And I used to see how these men treated each other and I thought you know I could never do that. I just couldn't really be a scientist because I couldn't deal with that. Kind of behavior and the way they treat each other I used to talk to Mark about it. And I used to say you know I don't understand these people in science they aren't very nice to each other. My friends are so nice to each other. And he replied Your friends don't do anything. And I think he meant you know if you ascribe to do something that's very hard it's going to be highly competitive you're going to be under a lot of pressure. And this is the way it is. And I could hear what he was saying and I thought I could never manage to deal with the kind of competitive pressures that I saw him deal with. So. I thought well. I don't know I'll go along and just see. And to say Jim kept encouraging me through all of this period to keep on going. I think otherwise I would not have done it because it was clear to me that I was not going to deal easily with this competitive pressure. So I got into it and I. My science went well. But. The problem came when you had to. You know. Promote your science or get credit for your science you know. And so. I think I dealt with it by trying to not get in the way of. The most aggressive people I kind of tried to send my papers to journals where I mean my papers where I was just accepted I sent them to journals and it made me a notch below where I could have sent them that I didn't want to fight with people over things and so I kind of tried to stay out of the way of these people because I. But even so what I observed early on at that stage which was you know quite a long time ago of course I felt that. It was very difficult to get credit for the research. So you'd make a discovery and then somebody else would do the next step and they might credit you and they wouldn't reference here. And I wondered if it was just me and I was not aggressive enough. But I when I looked in the literature and I watched around I sort of began to see that other women. Also would make discoveries and no one would reference them as if they didn't exist. So I began to see although I was not a feminist. I felt. I didn't want to be connected with any women's causes because I was so passionate about science and so involved that these young men who are so intense about science. And I just wanted to do that too. But I began to see that. Women. Tended to make discoveries and then the woman was ignored and disappeared. And the man would take the credit for it and move out to make a career out of it and I began to see this and I thought oh isn't that interesting. He's still at M.I.T. you started outside of M.I.T. I felt it happened to me in my field but I also saw that have happened to other women. And I began to look for it and I began to see that. Yes it did happen and I wasn't the only one. And so I thought gosh. I wonder because even at that time you know there were one or two women who had been very successful. And I I saw how they ever did it. Because if you can't get credit for what you discover you can't possibly become a famous scientist. How did they do it I wonder. And I really couldn't figure out how they could have done it. And. Ahead of me there was one woman who had made a discovery that I really admired and I saw that she was reasonably respected. Who is that. Her name was Mary Lou Pardue. And I think if it hadn't been for her I would have not thought it was possible for a woman to get tenure at a place like M.I.T. because I saw. That. I saw her discovery was so important I had read it before I ever met her. I had read about it. I've seen that thing in a journal and said Wow. As that when I was a student. And I mean she was hired at M.I.T. ahead of me so she was a little older and I saw that she was reasonably respected and so I saw a person and she got tenure. I could see a person could actually do this and survive. If it hadn't been for her I would have believed it wasn't possible. Because I could see that you couldn't get credit for anything you did. And so how could you survive. So that was a tough period. And I just. All the time I wanted to quit because I loved it. And I worked very hard but then you do the work and then you do this. And it was as if you didn't exist sort of. That I thought at the time it was totally my own inability to be as aggressive as these other men and women were just less aggressive than men and so this was just the way it was. There wasn't I didn't. Really ready for it. I think I was always unhappy. I was chronically unhappy. And I felt kind of stressed. And I worked all the time and I loved the work. So two parts. You know there was a love of science and a passion for it and I loved working 15 hours a day MSW thing in the world. But. I hated this fact that when you finished. Everything you've done didn't exist. You're invisible. So how did you take steps to to rectify that. Did you have a point system. I had Jim Watson and I think without him I would probably not have survived because I think you really could not get credit for what you did. And I think it would've been very difficult to survive. And I told him about it. He was such a champion of it that he would help in a way to promote my work. And. Without him. I'm not sure I ever would have invisible but I'm sure that you've seen. A change in this. Since you've been in my team. From. The 50s and 60s until. Now. Well I think first of all I saw no change for 20 years and it took and it was only after 20 years that I realized. That in a way that inability to acknowledge the work of people. And that it was differential between men and women although the competitiveness was universal. This inability to see that women did substantive science was what discrimination was. It took me 20 years to understand that even though I had known rarely when I was a postdoc it cause being a student you when I was doing the studies it. However there was a woman named Barbara McClintock who also went on to win a Nobel Prize. And I met her when I was a student and she was by then about 70 and I was friends with her for 20 years and she liked me and she wanted to tell me she wanted to share her experiences with a young woman and help that young woman. And so she wanted to tell me how awful this discrimination was. And she was constantly dragging me into her office to try to tell me about discrimination. I wanted to run from this woman. I couldn't get away from it fast enough. Why is this woman telling me these terrible things. This is not going to happen to me. I don't know what her problem is it would probably an unpleasant president can't get along with men men not me. I love men. I'm going to have a good time. And I was too young to understand what she was saying. And. She kind of stuff. She was going through a period of time where she was reflecting back on her life and she was so angry about the discrimination she'd experience she needed someone to talk to she wanted to help that person she won't share it. I couldn't understand it. I thought this happened 100 years ago this won't happen to me. The irony of all this of course is that the same thing happens today. So now I'm first and telling the younger women what's going to happen and they tell me they think I'm crazy and they say I you know I don't hear about this. This never happened to me. So what you see is a generation to generation that repeats even though it truly gets better. So bottom up and top could not get a job at M.I.T.. I mean she would never been able to get a job in a university at all. And so yet she won a Nobel Prize. I was able to get a job in a university. So I was one step ahead. But it was hell. Now young women are doing better so each generation. The same problems apply but they are less. Severe. So Barbara tell me don't go to those don't take a job in university or die you'll never survive it it's awful it's how you hate it. Just this week I was talking to a woman mathematician three apparently great women mathematicians in the country until and she still told me she would not accept the job in any one of these East Coast universities. Harvard and Howard offered any job she said you saying I wouldn't could set foot in that awful place. They would come back me in a moment. So what you see is there in mathematics. It's like biology was 30 years ago 40 years. Right. Because in the whole history of Harvard University's 150 years there's never been a tenured woman in mathematics at M.I.T.. There have been two in 150 years. So this woman said you know there's no point in going to a place like that because I think this is you cannot be acknowledged the work you do cannot be acknowledged as good. So it's I guess could turn the clock back 40 years and we have mathematics. So biology was like that when I began. But you know as I say you see the progress but it's still not solved. Now recently I believe you. You've worked on them. Is it a study by M.I.T.. I'm. Telling you about that. So what happened was that I spent these many years just believing it was all about. I wasn't aggressive enough even though I had already understood that women were differentially treated. I had a small sample. I didn't care. And I knew I didn't want to be associated with women's causes. I think for the same reason these young women today don't because it was a kind of kiss of death. It's political. It's political. And it would separate you from your male colleagues the name of my life. You know talking science with these other brilliant young men. No no. That was my life and I loved it. I loved them and they really liked me and we spent hours talking science and it was a joy. So. I just knew it would insult them to a thought that I thought they'd discriminate against me. I was so rude to them and. So I didn't want to go near it. And I also believed well if you really made a discovery like discovering the structure of DNA then even though then they would acknowledge you. What I finally realized was first of all that it's very difficult to make a discovery like that. When you aren't. Treated equally. And the second thing it's not even clear if a woman discovered it that it could be recognized even when the discovery was identical. And that was the part that took you know it's so hard to believe that that's true. It's so hard to believe that scientists could be so irrational as to actually view scientific discoveries differently depending on who makes them. But it took me 15 years to know it was true. I could not believe me evidence and found my own eyes. OK. And the way I found out was because there were a few other women around me at M.I.T. I watched how they were treated relative to men that I knew to be comparable in accomplishment. So you know very well within science in your field. The ability discoveries in the relative intellectual contributions and so on and. So with time I had a few comparisons where I could make people who came in they were the same age. They would make discoveries. You could see they were comparable scientifically. And I saw the differential value that was placed on these 10 individuals. And finally you know there was just no question. That that woman was as good or better than that man. And yet. The department fell all over him. He was the greatest thing since sliced bread. She was practically invisible. So I realized it really was. There was no question it was true. But I had this sort of fantasy that I could escape from that somehow and that if I made the great discovery plus they recognize me because I was a friend of Jim's and everybody loved me. I mean this and that. And it was when I realized that. I finally I think it's a kind of denial that people learn to survive. You just if you believed you really were that treated that way and that that's how people saw you as unequal. Not good enough and basically invisible. You simply couldn't do the job you just couldn't stand it. And so to survive there I think people have this little binder they put up that allows them in their own mind to believe they're being treated equally when they're not. That's what I think. That was certainly my case. And. Finally after 20 years some events occurred and I sat down one day one morning and Saturday morning I was and lived in a different place and I sat down at my computer. I was trying to work and I was just paralyzed with depression. I suddenly realized in that instant that I was just like these other women nobody ever had taken me seriously. Whatever I discovered it never would have been equal that the whole thing was pending health. A. And now it's not getting published in this week's entry point into that experience. Right. And this. Comparative Study that you just talked about. Well what happened is these were all just in my own mind within my own discoveries which I hadn't talked about with people. That moment I knew that I was I couldn't be a scientist anymore wasn't wasn't a point in doing all this work I'd done all these years because it would never be recognized equally fairly whatever. So I thought I really wanted to quit. I just walk out the door because I couldn't afford it and couldn't. And so. I didn't know what to do and I just really didn't know what to do the particular incident that occurred I thought was legally actionable so I went to see LA and did a lot of stuff talk to friends and they all said oh Sue the bastards. But actually in the end what happened is I decided that I would try to fix my problem by talking to the administration at M.I.T. and trying to make them understand what I had learned over the past 20 years. So I like to talk to them and they thought I was crazy. So each person's just wrote me off as a nut case and so I just had decided that I was going to not quit till I got some satisfaction because I just was so mad but I got mad really mad and I went along. I went from my immediate directive to the next level to the next level next. My family. They also I was the only one man listen to me. But he didn't believe me. And I would talk to him week in week out and finally after six months of this he said to me you know. Four months something he said it was December January February March April May June yet six months he said to me one day you know maybe you're right I'm starting to think there might be something about this discrimination thing. And then he took off for the summer and I said that's it. And I wrote a letter to the president of M.I.T. and I said you know. You people talk about affirmative action and equal rights and you treat women like dirt. This place discriminates against women. It's a total disgrace. He never treated any woman equally or even know what it means something like this. And it's a terrible thing and if you don't fix this I'm going to sue you. Something like that. And I it was a little less strong but it was. Strong and I took it to another woman that I really didn't know well and asked her to read it. To see if it was too offensive and I was going to send it to the president. And. It was a total embarrassment to me to show this to this woman because she was a very successful scientist. I thought you know she'll just think badly of mutual thing. She doesn't know my work she doesn't know me. She'll think Oh she was good enough she wouldn't have to complain like this. Who is that. I've never named her. She doesn't want my team. It was somebody else's idea. And she read the letter and at the end of it she put it on the table. She said I'd like to sign this. And I think we got to go and see the president because I've thought this for a long time and then that out of that came this new study. So we said to each other go you know there could be other women I think I got the same thing I do. So we went and found out there were only 15 tenured women in the six departments of science 194 tenured men after 30 is a refreshing fraction of what it was. So that was not Helen Davis at. Penn recommended that I interview you. And the situation is very interesting because I have this small network of women that have. Fought this kind of discrimination taking these cases even to the Supreme Court et cetera. At least they provided a support system for each other. What do you think about that situation. Versus what you've experienced at M.I.T. and also. In terms of being kind of. What you call Ivy schools or you know the difficulty that that. Rank in quality of education has has created for women. Well first of all Howard Davies is one of my. Heroes heroines. I think what without people like that there wouldn't be women in these universities. He's wonderful. He is the pioneer. And those women have made it possible for other people to be there. I thought myself when we began this it was these extreme institutions Harvard and my other whereas Caltech was the absolute worst. That's what I thought. After we published a study. The reason the M.I.T. study got so much attention was that we did this study was very secret and then it got. It by accident. I was talking to a bunch of reporters about my research and they asked about this and I told them things coming out and ended up on the front page of The New York Times. And after that we were deluged by email from women saying I had the same problem. No one believed me no one listens to me. It's a nightmare. I'm suing I'm dying my you know whatever. And it was just we were buried in this stuff. You know the president and my team even myself. Other women served on the committee so it's clear. And what fascinated me was it has not just having a name I.D. and pen and whatever. It was everywhere. And I hadn't even thought about it. I just thought it was this extreme and this highly competitive extreme kind of thing. It was everywhere. And if you looked at the numbers I mean I've taken them I.D. numbers for example and compared them department department to UC Irvine. There are more women at M.I.T. than UC Irvine. In the sciences and engineering departments. So. You know you look at the number of women in cabinet to top 50 chemistry is nothing. And minorities there aren't any. So. It is an invisible problem. I mean it's not invisible but I mean none of us were thinking about it really. So we were pretty amazed by the whole thing. You know I really was amazed. What do you think about the problems in academia versus industry. Because I've talked to some women that have said it looks in the National Cancer Institute National Institute of Health and they have not had as many barriers as the women that I've talked to in universities. I think that it's a son of a weird level. So. When you say that about NIH. When I'm gone I see that there's many more women into the administration and it's integrated in many ways because it's a bureaucracy all through the layers until you come to where the real power resides. And then. In the end of the day the power still is mostly the real power in the hands of men. It's happened there's been an interim director of NIH for a while. Kristin his marvelous Who. She's been an interim director though. But prior to that there was Bernadine Healy. But maybe I don't know about her but. What I see is still the power that it's still have that they've had plenty of problems at and I think done studies on salary and space leans back and found exactly the same thing. I've been there to talk. People tell me that similar issue. I think it's probably better because when I go to the government I press accounts of the Human Genome Project. And look for the names of women. Involved in this project. I don't believe you can win. So again you could say well how does this happen. And I guess my argument would be when you get when you finally end up with people that competitive competing with this Craig Venter Yeah. Every woman's long gone. They're all driven out again. As usual. And this is really you know it's the white Genome Project. It's not the human genome project. Same old same old. So kind of depends where you look. I think if you look at industry people say there's certain aspects of it that are better for women. But there's certain aspects that are just like universities. If you look at the research part. In fact. I think the Cohen part really is if you but every profession you look at. Look and see where the power is and you'll discover that women are not powerful in any. Occupation. So what do you recommend to. Take steps. To empower women. Especially in academia. Well I think what happened to them each year is really remarkable. And what happened there was something similar to about Howard Davies did. I think the women got together. And stuck together. And worked together. And then they. Educated the people in power. To understand what the problem was. Those people were actually very good people turned out and I was lucky they had a great president. Very good Dean and the provost. Great. So. Those men. Wanted to understand that. Lesson. Learned. And took it on as their problem. So now the women work with the administration actually joined the highest administration. I now work with the president promised to try to fix this problem. We have a network of women through the whole university and we're trying to institutionalize a re-examining process. A lot happened. And that is remarkable and if we keep at it for 10 years I think there's no question it will have a real institutional impact. The problem is. At the end of the day. Where science and and real cutting edge stuff is done is still fiercely competitive. And many of these fields like mathematics there's still a tiny number of people. And that's what it's all about. It's not about you know no matter how many processes we put in place at the end of the day we care about the real work that's going on in those laboratories. And we want those women to be winning Nobel Prizes. We want those great women scientists to be able to come in and compete and. All of that. Right. And. I don't know what it will take to completely solve it. Do you think there's a particular skill set that that women are missing out on. In terms of. Maybe more assertiveness getting their publications out learning about the publication process. I'm not sure exactly in biology. And what it is. And. I guess at my level I know that that's a. Difficulty. Navigating that kind of you know. How do you get your work recognized. How do you get it out there. And if we have a lot of debates about this matter because it's not completely clear to me that we'll all understand it well enough. Mean I think we understand many components of it. So this undervaluing of women's actual accomplishments is a very tough and surprising discovery and I think people are becoming more aware of it. Finally I mean this woman Virginia value and writes about gender schemas we look at men and women differently. We impose a set of preconceived ideas on them. Men are powerful and strong women are sweet nice all that. OK so continue continue have women in power. We don't even know what women powerful women look like. We're not used to that. We have all models we don't. We have only one image of power and that's a man. And so I think many women do not wish to be men. If. They wish to be powerful women and powerful men. And none of us quite know. How to get there how to do that. And so I think that's part of it. I myself worry about. I mean I think there are women who are clearly totally driven really. Want to be like that. People who want to immerse themselves without the complete immersion in science. And although you know maybe it would be nice to have a family too I recognize this as a choice an undergrad does not. But I think the number of women or men who would give up having a family in order to be a scientist I don't know how many men would be scientists if they had to make that choice. So until you can make that equal how you ever do how could you have equal numbers. I don't get that. I don't think you will because many women will not make that choice. And so you have to think about that whole issue. And that's a complicated issue as we know. And I think know society is moving towards a more equal participation of men and women in the home and in the work but we're not there yet. Do your equal how are you going to be equal. There's only one kind of equal. And we're not there. So I think that's a very big component. But. You know. The other question I have is even among those women who choose it. And do make this Tracy complete commitment and even if they could find a man who wanted to be their wife so to speak and take care of the children primarily whatever. Even he found totally equal whatever. Do they want to be. How many women will go for the power at the top which is going to be competitive. Oh it's OK. And this is a question that fascinates me now and I have no idea what the answer is. And as I say what we saw in our group was that what I saw among a small sample we had was I saw that these women were driven by passion for science. And they were very competitive. But it was against some general standard of excellence to make a great discovery to have the satisfaction of that whereas I see that a lot of these men get a lot of pleasure out of beating the guy down the hall. And I don't see that in these women. I don't see it in myself. Either. I think these people men are crazy. I don't understand them actually. I don't get any pleasure from making somebody else speak. Whereas I think there's a true and they love this. I think they love this competitive thing and being better than that of the guy and they don't maybe take it seriously. Because I think the women just feel bad when somebody else feels bad. I know. So do you think that's biological sociological. I. Just don't know. I guess you can see I work on little zebrafish tropical fish. I think it's kind of the I my fish. So I. Guess I see those fish as male fish fighting all the time for me for females. I see the females swimming cheerfully around waiting to see who the winner is. You know. But I think we just don't know and I think what would be a wonderful thing would be I mean in some ways. I think in our minds it's interesting because my friend Jim Watson my good friend Jim Watson. He's still a very close friend but we don't talk too much about this work I've done on women and science because he doesn't believe in it and one day he said Me No Nancy that none of that's true. I said What do you mean. And he said well if you want to be a great scientist you have to be a shit. Women aren't. And that was really sad and at some level I know just what he means. That's it sums it up very well. And so here is something that sums it up very well and women don't want to behave like these men. They don't want to be like that. And can you take it to the top. Yes you can. But it sure is harder. So will they just say Oh the hell with this it's not worth it. Who needs this and walk away. This whole obsessive competitive thing. But I think. You know what we do see now which course didn't exist when I went in science there are women who really probably will win the Nobel Prize. There are several of them out in my field. Yes I sitting there perfectly candidates to be really mean women are making it really to the highest levels. So it is changing slowly. The question is how long will it take and how many women and will it go forward or backwards. Because it isn't change fast that's for sure you know. Have you received recognition for your work. In my science. Yes yes I have. I actually changed fields to get away from the fields where I found it was impossible to get credit for what you did. And I chose a field which was dominated by a very powerful woman actually. And I found it was a much better field of work. And that's molecular and it was developmental biology. It's all kind of molecular biology. And it was a very much different experience and it was much better. And I have gotten a lot of credit for my work and I've had a marvelous time doing it. And it was a joy and I was happy and I loved it. And. I got so yeah my life turned out very happily in the end. But I think there were just two things One was that and the success of the work I did in that field but the other one was that this having this women this issue recognized by M.I.T. and having the president of M.I.T. support these women. And fix these things for these women. And see that it wasn't fair and fix it it was one of the great satisfactions that you could have in your life. Having thought it was unfair for 20 years and then never believing anyone would even know what you're talking about and to see it get fixed. So so this was amazing. What excites me to give do you give younger women scientists mentored. Younger women. Well. I find it hard to tell people what to do. I must say because. I see you just. Do it. Science is hard. I mean it's no you know it is and it's very demanding it has to be a period in your time in your life. I believe and when it occurs whether it's young or old or whatever there's gonna be some period of time when you probably. Really do do it obsessively. It requires just enormous commitment to love it. I think you really love it you should do it. But. It's it's a tough profession. It's hard for me too. It's a hard profession. The question is does it have to be you know as I say to me that the science itself is demanding there's no question it's very human. If you love it that's fine it's not a problem. But these other aspects is there anyway. You know I don't know the answer to it. But I think people should do it love it. And in your personal life what other activities are you involved in. That's a good question. Well you know I mean I do work a lot. Work is so integrated in your life. If you love what you do. That's a pretty happy life actually. So I've. Loved the science for 40 years I still do. I mean and this work with the women of course made an administration gave me a full extensive set of colleagues men and women that has been fascinating and so forth. I have a lot of good friends who you know whatever. So I had a lot of very satisfying personal relationships. I mean what I did I remarry. So I had a series of male. Significant others over the years. And those were wonderful relationships I could not have done but it's about me and times without that I mean that was a sustaining personal life I founded the group not the one I thought I was going to have. But one that turned out to be very very nice actually. So I was happy with that. So. At the end of it it worked for me but I realize how lucky I was because for those 20 years when it came to the end of the first 20 years after I said big mistake whole life was a mistake I shouldn't have done it. It was a disaster. Only after this problem was recognized and was fixed and in the fixing of it also allowed me to my own research to blossom and to invite me to enjoy it instead of being in a continuous battle about whether I could get you know. Tiny little nothing. Piece of equipment does nothing. Know as badly all the time just to be able to do my work. And then that stop the battle stopped And I could just enjoy the work and the work was so successful and then the women's thing was as you know I really. The last seven or eight years have been enjoy every minute but. I don't know if everybody gets that flight research are you working on currently. I work on the fish and I try to we we developed a method that lets you identify genes that are necessary for early development so you start with a single fertilized. Egg cell and five days later a little tiny fish swims away and we try to find all the genes you need to go from one cell to the fish. So it's lots of fun. I mean. With cloning them and identifying them and the extremely interesting and it's creating really projects that will go on for years and years for many people so. Wonderful. And future aspirations retirement down the road or what other things do an accomplishment ploy that's just come to that point. And I really think scientists should not stay on for too long as my own feeling they should all retire at 55 and I'm 58 nearly 59. So that's past my point but it's so much fun but it's been hard to give it up because of the. Passion that people have for it so very difficult. But I think you have to move on and I don't know what I'm going to do. I'd like to stay connected with it science and. I'd like to I think continue to help. Change things for the women to come after it because if others haven't done it I wouldn't I'm too. So that's been fun. But I'd also like to have some fun. I think that a period of time. When. You go through so many 40 gives a verse and something had to be done. Easily late and I was behind on it and there was something else behind that I'd like to see what it's like to have a week in which didn't leave anything to do. So somebody said want to just take a vacation instead of retiring song so I might do that. But it's so much fun what I do now. It's hard to give it up so I don't know. And. What would you most like to be remembered for the experiences and contributions so fine. Gosh I don't I will be remembered. So who knows. But I still remember your children. I don't have any children. Who else. I don't know of them. I don't know. I mean I think as I said when I got my job I said no. Twenty nine years ago. I knew there were a lot of women who had. Given. Up. A lot. To help so I could get a job. And. I didn't know who they were. I still don't know who they were. There were so many and now I've learned there are thousands of them and I think I'm happy to be one of those thousands. And. Have I missed any questions do you think. You know I think they're not looking out at all as if you did a great job. Well thank you very much for this interview and I wish you luck in enjoying your vacation. All right baby to go. We're not quite sure but still. Thanks so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73084/file/158924#t=0.0,2741.89075"}]}]}]}