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A lot of you were here last night and know some of the basic details, but for those of you from a normal walls S and H 230 who weren't here last night, I'll give you a bit of background. C-CARD was established in October 1987 at Iowa state. C-CARD stands for Center for Indigenous Knowledge for Ag and Rural Development. And we're still in the process of getting organized but started the process about 18 months ago and now I have eight grad students working with us and a number of faculty from four, five departments. And are in the process of establishing the capacity to document published and unpublished documents that involve indigenous knowledge and decision-making systems particularly as these reflect on the international development scene. As we work to establish ourselves in an international network, we've taken advantage of Iowa state's linkages with a number of institutions. Those of you who were here last night had the pleasure of listening to Professor Adedotun and Phillips who's the director general of the Nigerian Institute of social and economic research who flew directly here from Legos and due to heavy duties took off this morning to fly directly back to Lagos, and he was introduced last night by Mr. Jeff Beard who's one of the administrators at Pioneer Hi Bred International most of you are familiar with Pioneer it's probably the world's largest seed company and they have supported C-CARD and provided us funding for a good computer and printer and software, and they are all very secure, tied down, bolted down and they've also provided us some money to produce the quarterly newsletter the first one's gone out some months ago, and second one's at the printers right now. I mentioned last night the mailing is increased rather dramatically and there now something like 1200 individuals and institutions on the mailing list and goes to more than a hundred countries. The response seems to have been very substantial and it's growing, and I suspect it's going to continue to grow. Tonight I have the pleasure of bringing to the second inaugural lecture, a good friend and colleague who has been the director of Iowa State's linkage with the university of Leiden in the Netherlands. Must be half a dozen of us, some of us in this audience who've had the pleasure of going to Holland and some of us have on multiple occasions, dropped fresh herring with Jong and Mayte Slikkerveer and washed it down with all kinds of exciting fluids that the Dutch have an incredible indigenous knowledge about. And he's been over here with his wife Matey, this is the second visit. We have one of his students who's part of our exchange Carolina Peter's, sitting back there in the blue, who was working on her PhD here as part of the exchange in sociology. He will be introduced and the chairperson for this session is another good friend of ours and a strong supporter of C-CARD that's Dr. Gail Mutchler, many of you have met her. Gail has a very interesting background. She was born in Kansas\r\n\r\n- And that's interesting.\r\n\r\n- And that's interesting.\r\n\r\n- And yeah, she moved up to Minnesota after a number of years, and became the assistant director of the cooperative extension service for the state of Minnesota. And ended up in the Caribbean on one of University of Minnesota USAID projects. And then got captured by the academy for educational development and she is their vice-president for agriculture and rural development. background is ag communications, agricultural education, and she understands very clearly the kinds of missions we've set for ourselves here through C-CARD and the C-CARD network. And has supported us in a number of ways including funding through the academy for educational development, a very important workshop that was held at the academy in Washington in December. More than hundred people came to that, the topic was the role of indigenous knowledge for agriculture and international development. There were people from Rural Bank, Inter-American foundation, USAID and she managed to give us resources so we were able to take half a dozen of our students and I think five of us faculty went and took part in the workshop and then helped fund the publication of the monograph that came out of it, which was also very useful for us. We just finished signing a memorandum of understanding between Iowa state and AED, and I think that will facilitate us coordinating and cooperating in joint ventures international development projects, hopefully in the not too distant future. So Gail will be chairing the session tonight and we'll do the formal introduction of Jong, my Dutch brother. And\r\n\r\n- I think that Mike did a very good job of introducing Jong I want to say that I'm very happy to be here and I'm very pleased to be a part of a development of this important topic. Mike is a very important person to all of us, his dedication to this, In Washington, we see the need but we often don't have the time and the intensity to spend in developing these ideas, but we want in every way possible to support them that we can and to make sure that the donor community is responsive and begin to developing these kinds of concepts and into their planning processes. And Mike is such a dedicated person we don't want to miss out on him when something like this happens. It is my total pleasure to introduce Dr. L. Jan Slikkerveer last night, Dr. Phillips said that he couldn't spell indigenous or occasional, I'll tell Slikkerveer is something I can't spell so I put it behind here Is only today. I got it pronounced correctly I think, Dr. Slikkerveer is the director of a program called LEAD, the acronym stands for director of the Leiden Ethnosystems and Development Program. He's a professor of anthropology at the Institute of cultural and social studies at the university of Leiden in the Netherlands. He directs a multidisciplinary research group dealing with indigenous knowledge systems for agricultural and health development. I'm very fascinated by the interdisciplinary nature of his work and his ability to look past boundaries that are often a confining to many of us. He's worked in countries, such as Ethiopia, Kenya, Senegal Indonesia, he's a true citizen of the world and an ambassador, I think to the world. One of the things I'm most struck by is the fact that he carries this sense of promoting not only the indigenous knowledge but a sense of goodwill about people working in development, wherever he goes. And one of the things I thank him most for is having the good sense to marry a brilliant woman and bring her with him to places like this it makes all of our lives more interesting. Dr. Slikkerveer.\r\n\r\n- Well, Dr. Mutchler, thank you very much for this most kind introduction. Ladies and gentlemen, I appreciate that you have come here in such a great numbers, before I turn to the subject of this evening, being the lecture on the ethno systems, innovation and development, I would like to take this opportunity and express my feelings of appreciation for the invitation for being here with you tonight at Iowa State University. In fact, I regard it as a great pleasure and indeed an honor to be invited at C-CARD together with my wife Matey and presented a lecture on the occasion of the inaugural lecture series of the Center for Indigenous Knowledge in Agriculture and Rural Development. Which we, in fact in Leiden regard as a major step in the international effort for structuring the potential and the importance of indigenous knowledge systems in indigenous technical knowledge and the social economic and cultural development process, and then in particular in the developing countries. I think the need for the institutionalization of a center such as C-CARD has over the past decades emerged as an essential instrument for recording and for the operationalization of indigenous knowledge and practices and as such perhaps crossed the mind of a few of us who have come to realize that the so-called other cultures most of us were fortunate to work with because of their work and which sometimes in the past were belittled as primitive and simple suddenly in the wake of the present overwhelming of the West by problems of overdevelopment and post-industrial frustrations prove to possess much refined and sophisticated mechanisms for adaptation, and in fact, longterm survival which I think now even might outrun the short term success of Western cultures and societies. With us we say in Holland many are called upon but only very few are chosen. And in the international circles of anthropologists and development sociologists we have come to appreciate the role of indigenous knowledge systems in development I think di Primus inter Pares among those few is undoubtedly Dr. Michael Warren, who's unflagging enthusiasm and energy has not only stimulated the work of many fellow anthropologists and sociologists, but has managed to concretisize establishment of C-CARD being the most important stage in the development of a more realistic balanced and indeed promising approach towards the development of human system around the globe. Dr. Warren, you called myself your brother, I think you are my big brother. Our university of Leiden, as you know, the oldest university in the Netherlands was established 414 years ago in the year 1575. In fact, as a result of the victory in Leiden in the struggle for freedom from the Spanish yolk over a four generation period of time and it's Royal charter of King William I the founding father so to say, of our present Royal House of Orange, bears a seal still in use today, as you know from our stationary inscribed with the motto the academy of Leiden bulwark freedom. Well, it's not so much the parallel between your efforts in struggle to establish C-CARD and a fourth generation struggle of the inhabitants of Leiden in the 16th century but I think rather than metaphor of C-CARD as a bulwark of indigenous knowledge within Iowa State University and beyond. And this has prompted the appreciation and high esteem of my university and in particular of our Leiden Ethno systems and Development program for your work in this respect that I ask you to come forward and accept the representation of the so-called great CO of the Leiden University in its original colors and calligrapher by my wife on the occasion of the inaugural lectures of C-CARD as a great achievement with which we want to congratulate you, your staff your department, the University of Iowa. And may I in particular also wish to include our congratulations to the selfish support and dedication of your wife Mary and your daughter Medina. This is not a blanket where you can sleep on. But we had to carry it in there. So, this is it.\r\n\r\n- Right now we're following squatter's rights in room three 336 first so when we put this up it will be more difficult for the administration to kick us out. Thank you very much\r\n\r\n- Okay, thank you Thank you Well, if I now may return to the subject of this lecture this evening, and especially then on ethno systems innovation and development, I use the term ethno systems as a sort of, well you could say rather inclusive term referring to often unique entities of conceptions and practices rather group, or if you wish ethno specific and generally localized in rural peripheries as opposed to centralized more urban systems often originally in the West for which I would use the term cosmopolitan systems of shortly cosmo systems. Such ethno-specific systems of indigenous knowledge and practice based on an historical experiment and experience in particular, settings possess many dimensions encompassing linguistics, education, socialization, medicine, agri and horticulture, animal husbandry, artisan skills, ecological knowledge, kinship and what you could generally call social structures. Compared to indigenous knowledge systems per se, our concept of ethno systems perhaps goes a little bit beyond the whole system of knowledge, including concepts beliefs, perceptions, and it concurrently also seeks to include the proxies often referred to in your frame of reference indigenous technical knowledge. But also local channels of communication decision-making systems, and perhaps even further to refer to the concept of culture itself. Be it in a more dynamic sense than anthropologist generally used to do. I think indeed to conception of ethno systems from a systemic and dynamic perspective on culture allows us not only to approach the cognitive and behavioral components of particular communities in a rather holistic way, but also enables us to elaborate the classical culture concept in a more dynamic way of historical processes and what not only acculturation and transculturation between different cultures has occurred. And I refer here to the great and a little traditions as used by Robert Redfield, but in which the interface and the interaction between local systems and national or cosmo systems can be assessed in a more balanced way. And in this context the term ethno systems is more an articulation of a specific culture or subculture describing indigenous systems of knowledge techniques, practices, which not per se will be attributed to local people in the third world, in periphery in the third world, but eventually I think would also include specific terms in Western Europe and the United States and for that matter in the Soviet Union. If we placed this conception within the recent development of the social sciences, and then of course in particular, in anthropology and development, sociology, it's evident that it predominantly exists within the practice of interaction where ethno systems as local structures of perceptions and practices are continuously confronted with process of social cultural change, innovation and development from outside. So theoretically in the use of the term ethno systems, we see four major aspects to be involved. The culture specific or culture bound, reference of the term, the holistic approach towards the inclusion of arrange of subsystems of knowledge, and like I said in agriculture medicine, education, third need for a more dynamic assessment of the culture concept and fourth the need for a rather realistic interest in a non normative non western oriented orientation. Now, if we regard this concept of ethno systems within its historical processes of social cultural change and technical innovation it's dynamic dimensions not only become discernible within these systems, but, and I think even more important in its interaction between ethno and cosmo systems which enables us then to wider our research interest to include the behavioral component of the development innovation process. And here, I believe that this behavioral component effect gives us now the new impetus to a form of a sort of Neo ethnoscience as indeed initial high hopes of the ethnoscience and the cognitive anthropology of the 50s and the 60s in terms of well documented refined studies of sophisticated material or languages like an ethnolinguistics or the ethnic psychological data on beliefs and conceptions run the risk of walking into a scientific dead end. And I believe that the recent decade of this which you could call second generation of ethnoscience initiated by the pioneering work of Brooke and Shaw, Warren and Werner in their textbook Indigenous Knowledge Systems and Development of 1980, took the most promising early into the direction of a more behavioristic approach to innovation and development in which the acting individuals within these ethno systems were chosen as the primary source for development from below. In this context, I immediately wish to mention Dr. Warren's own much earlier and broader interpretation of medical ideas and practices where he in 1974 already presented his description of disease etiology and knowledge among the Bono in Ghana as part of the whole process of diagnosis and treatment. And also myself, I was able in my research in Ethiopia to include the local perceptions and practices in disease classification of certain ethnic groups within the longitudinal study of healthcare utilization among Oromo, Somali and Amhara Ogaden region of Eastern Ethiopia. Now, to what extent does our work in Leiden fit into this rather theoretical reorientation starting in the late 70s in fact, and in what practical setting has this recently further been operationalized from Leiden on? Well, again, I go a little bit back in history. Our university, the first chair in ethnography was established more than a hundred years ago in 1879 called the the ethnography of the East Indies, it won't surprise you, which over the years evolved into ethnology, even in the Lohi, the specific study for training of civil servants and diplomats to work overseas in the Dutch East Indies and after the world war finally into cultural anthropology. Now parallel to this development, we saw the development of sociology, or if you wish Western sociology focused on groups and processes in the Western hemisphere, the sub discipline then of the sociology of the non Western peoples developed in Leiden as a specific area of the social sciences research and training in third world countries. So today under the protection of the Netherlands law on education, two major disciplines exist development sociology. Apart from Leiden you can study these two sub disciplines of the development oriented, social sciences also in Utrecht, in Amsterdam and in Nijmegen. Now if we concentrate on the study in Leiden we see on the one hand cultural anthropology which is so-called Leiden traditional and structural anthropology which is very much following the French school of Levi-Strauss and structural anthropology and of old more or less refraining from involvement in development and development related issues. While at the other hand we see that the normal Western sociologist or development sociologists are paying much more effort to facilitate and to embed the acculturation and acceptance of rather Western perceptions and practices in third world countries. Well, meanwhile, in the course of the 70s, a few staff of what we would call the second generation of the Institute who worked in Indonesia, in Sri Lanka, in Senegal, in Ivory coast, in India and in Ethiopia, developed a rather different approach to the process development and change more in the line of what we discussed a minute ago in terms of the ethno systems. They were re appraising on the one hand certain conceptions from cultural anthropology, and on the other hand, tried to leave sometimes the Western oriented approach of the development sociology for a more indigenous oriented perspectives on these processes of social economic development and change. Now we have seen that the in the course of the 80s they decided to form a group of anthropologists and sociologists who not only seek to expand the ethno scientific approach to include behavioral component, what we mentioned a minute ago into its theorem, but even more dedicated work to problem solving in the practices sort of applied oriented approach, this group later on evolved into the present Leiden ethno systems and development program LEAD which now is involved in several teaching and research projects in different countries. Now, before I elaborate on the actual joint research efforts of lead in terms of the geographical regions and the research topics, I shortly wish to mention that interestingly enough, the earlier Leiden tradition in structural anthropology included effect two most useful concepts, which could be brought within the scope of the LEAD program. First, the concept of the participants view, and secondly the concept of the field of ethnographic study. The concept of participants view, you could say that by involving the participants view into the whole process of innovation and development the individuals perceptions and attitudes evolved as it were up to a more systematic level as an important scientific and additional component of the study of ethno systems, their worldview, their perceptions, and their decision-making mechanisms. And I think this approach not only links up with the emic view on cultures from within as contrasted to the etic view from outside on a national or even an international level, but also fits very well in the approach, which is one of the foundations of the C-CARD approach towards the issues we are talking about here. If we speak about the field of ethnological study we saw that in 1935, in the one of the early Leiden structural anthropologist a certain Van Vowden developed a concept of ethnologic field of study EFS or anthropologic field of study during his field work in Indonesia. Starting from the linguistic situation in which alongside with the original Lingua franca of the so-called Basar Mallet which was derived from the classical Mallet. The series of regional languages existed over the whole country, and he found that in what he called the ethnological field of study of Indonesia certain bam Indonesian features that characterized and at the same time delineated, the area which later on similarly was documented with studies on cultural traits such as kinship classifications, patters of social organization, ornaments on bronze, kettle drums, patterns of woven cloth and perceptions in medicine. And nowadays we can compare Van Vowden concept which was later elaborated by the de Josselin de Jong with Hunter and Winix conception of a culture area or a cultural province. For the LEADS program's orientation the field of ethnological study proved again, to be most useful in its effort to overcome some of the theoretical and methodological problems involved in our efforts to develop a truly comparative study of ethno systems in the context of innovation and development stressing the importance of regional comparative research. In sum, those two aspects in the study of other cultures, participants view and FES have in fact facilitated the study and analysis of ethno systems in a rather broad sense, and in fact, culminate in the recent re appraisal of what we could call now the cultural dimension of development, I come back to that later. In addition to the revitalization of ethnoscience and cognitive anthropology, such reorientation towards local cultures is granted and perhaps for the last time a synthetical understanding of its relevance for the developing nations themselves, where such elite but hopefully true interest in the indigenous knowledge systems and indigenous technical systems such as starting point from within the communities themselves has indeed started to create now a changing attitude towards our discipline and where assessment and recording of vanishing cultures no longer is the often selfish concern of the anthropologists and sociologists that perhaps eventually becomes a concern for the developing nations themselves. It was in the Netherlands, our LEAD program over recent years has attract some interest from the department of the Indonesia languages where my wife is working on her PhD especially in the field of ethnolinguistics in Indonesia from the technical university in Delft for support from within the indigenous knowledge systems approach at strengthening the primary health care improvement in Wenchi district in Ghana, where you're very familiar with, your name is they're familiar too you should know, with special interest also in the construction of low cost medical center and the introduction of a rather new medicine introduced by WHO against the uncultured societies disease the river blindness in Ghana. We also have the interest of the Technical University in Eindhoven who are especially involved in the transfer of knowledge and the introduction of small scale oil presence in Zambia. Of course, we have then the African Study Center in Leiden in the field of the indigenous conceptions especially in food and nutrition in Kenya, where I myself I am interested in the health and nutrition complex among the Mijikenda in Kwale, Kilifi and where Dr. Warren just mentioned it a minute ago, our pH D student here at ISU Caroline Peters has carried out very impressive field work, and in addition, I can say that in cooperation with the African Study Center, there is a project going on, Ms Peters is here on the political economic development in Cameroon. Outside the Netherlands, first and foremost, we were very pleased to join the technology and social change program from this university, and later on signed a formal linkage relationship with Dr. Warren, Dr. Christensen in 1986, and then of course we were pleased to become a member of C-CARD the challenges and benefits I wish to come back to later. Then the Institute of development research of Addis Ababa University where I myself worked in Ethiopia in ethnomedicine. Perhaps if we have time I could a little bit elaborate on that. Then the department of community house and nutrition of the University of Nairobi in the field of community health and traditional medicine ethnomedicine and food and nutrition especially focused on the Coast Province I mentioned a minute ago, we have done the department of African and Oriental Studies of the University of Crete and Rethymno in Greece, where we were strongly supported by the Erasmus foundation of the common market. And of course it is for me, a great pleasure that this linkage relationship also is supporting Dr. Warren to join us on a seminar in the Rethymno in a couple of weeks time to share his experience with some of the people from the University of Crete in the field of Afro Oriental Studies. And we have also a great interest is in ethnoarcheology. To other universities to conclude this list is the Universitas Indonesia, very interesting a new project is spending on human resource formation including around about 11 projects, and which also include ethnoscience, ethnolinguistics and natural resource management hopefully to be funded by the Netherlands government. And then we have the Universitas Padjadjaran indigenous knowledge and practices in local medicine, and then in particular on the use of traditional pharmaceutical medicines in Western Jaffa, in the highlands of Jaffa. Where last year with the help of my wife, we did together a traditional health care utilization survey, and we hope to pick up some of the preliminary outcomes in five weeks time when we have the pleasure to go to Indonesia for just a month, and then later on we hope to present some of the results on the Iastem conference on the use of jamol in Bombay in January 1989. We have the University of Delhi where Dr. Brower is studying the shelters of artisans and especially in the field of indigenous artisan technology in Karnataka province. And last but not least, we have a social forestry and saw management project in the pipeline in Senegal. Two colleagues of mine are involved there and we hope to contribute also to a collaboration with the recently emerged linkage relationship between Dr. Warren's C-CARD program and the department of social forestry of the Food and Agriculture Organization FAO, and we hope that when Dr. Warren will join us in Crete, we'll also trying to get Dr. Hoskin from FAO to join us there being in Europe. After my work in Ethiopia my collaboration with the department of community health which we just mentioned University of Nairobi, where by coincidence I will be at this fall as visiting professor in community health. I focused on indigenous conceptions and practices in health and nutrition. I mentioned that the minute I go to you and I just would elaborate a little bit more. We right now, are trying to look into the health and nutrition complex among the Mijikenda groups in Kwale and Kilifi, and I think that this study on indigenous knowledge in food and nutrition in Kenya has brought us to the envisaged publication of a second edition of the Oxford University Press publication on food nutrition in Kenya in which the historical dimension still is lacking. As one of the co editors I'm most interested in the historical and if you wish even pre historical perspectives on the origins, food production and settled agriculture in East Africa. The field which still needs some attention to fill the gaps in our insight in this part of the world. As you know Kenya is perhaps the only country in the world that can appeal to the longest and most complete record of both human's physical evolution and cultural development. It is characterized by a wide variety of environmental factors that throughout history has provided selected habitat for hunter for food gatherer, for pastoralist and for settled agriculturism. The early history of Kenya has been dominated by three major factors. It was invaded and occupied by the ancestors of its modern inhabitants. It witnessed the evolution of different communities whose interaction contributed to the emergence of the first ethnic groups, and third hunting and gathering as an economic way of life, was there transformed into the development of agriculture and pastoralism, I think about 5, 6 thousand years Before Christ. Further to the early, a rather important discoveries of Louis and Mary Leakey at Olduvai Gorge in Northern Tanzania and the fossils of the lower Oromo Valley in Ethiopia, and more reason to findings by Richard Leakey of approximately 2.8 million years old hominid fossils East of Lake Tana in fact in Koobi Fora, all these findings indicate that what is called popularly, the cradle of mankind is to be located in Kenya. And although several remotely ancestral types of human kind appeared in Africa during the lower Pleistocene, some two to 3 million years ago, only one East African type, the famous Homo habilis evolved into modern human in Africa and elsewhere. And I think that here, especially the Neolithic period is important in the history of humankind because it marked the origin of the domestication of animals and plants, emergence of agriculture and pastoralism. And although so far, research into the transition from food gathering to food production and farming in Kenya has been most incomplete, there's plenty of evidence of pastoral practices in this part of Africa. Around about 10,000 years ago, we can say that the majority of the world's people started to adopt some form of agriculture, changing from food gatherers and hunters to completely new type of sedentary lifestyle. This transition to food production, the so-called agricultural revolution is generally regarded as a major step in the development of neolithic peasants preparing the way for the formation of later urban and literate cultures in this part of Africa. As agriculture seems to have developed rather independently in several major centers in the world, comparative research so far indicates that in these different parts the agricultural revolution took place in different ways, according to local conditions, resources and cultural traditions. Apart from three most intriguing facets of the transition to agriculture and food production, such as the speed of the transition, the accompanying increase in population and the universality of the change, specific and special scientific attention has recently been paid to the impact of climatic changes environmental conditions, population growth, and last but not least complex social structures, both as a cause of and as an effect of the so-called agricultural revolution. Following several explanatory models of Braidwood, Cohenn, Bender, an international discussion was going on and indeed flared up again in the United States last December, the 20th December of 1988, on the question of the onset of complex societies before or after the agriculture transformation in pre-history. And I conclude, in this respect as Richard Leakey rightly concludes, agreement on the question of why the agricultural revolution occurred is far away, much more evidence is needed before outlining formed theories. And it may be that agricultural revolution was so complex and involves so many different factors that no single model can ever describe it. In contrast with the abundant ethnoarcheological evidence for the major centers of Mesopotamia, Syria, Turkey and also, Mesoamerica and Peru, similar research for Africa has not yet been fully explored, and evidence of the transition to agriculture has remained like I said a minute ago, most incomplete. Although Murdoch compelled already in 1959 in his more literature based research and survey on what he called Africa, its peoples and their culture history, it wasn't influential but highly interpretative and also highly criticized years, it still produced extensive data on the origin of African agriculture and domesticated animals, I think that specific fields studies are still remotely introduced in East Africa. And I think especially here on the late Glen Isaac who since 1969, initially studied butchery sites of a much earlier period on the East shores of Lake Turkana. As Desmond Clark and Bronte in 1984 noted, research into the origins of African agriculture lags 10 to 15 years behind of other studies of early agriculture in Mesopotamia and Mesoamerica. The reason for this earlier rise is partly due to the fact that African researchers seem to linger on assumptions on explanatory models of environmental stress, diffusion theories, population press, independent invention, but also partly due to the meager evidence bearing on the origin of African agriculture. So far, most of the published studies are characterized by their lack of supporting archeological evidence and I think most important by the fact that this evidence was rather a by-product of investigations focusing on other issues. We in our LEAD program believe that what now is needed in this context is the introduction of a research program in Africa, specifically devoted to the elucidation of the whole process of the transition to agriculture and food production providing a much wider basis for investigation. 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Thank you very much for being with us tonight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178#t=1143.76,1145.21"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178/transcript/25286/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sure he can stay around a little while","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178#t=1145.21,1146.675"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178/transcript/25286/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and if you have any other questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178#t=1146.675,1148.69"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178/transcript/25286/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178#t=1148.69,1149.892"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178/transcript/25286/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178#t=1149.892,1150.733"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178/transcript/25286/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(clapping)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178#t=1150.733,1152.983"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178/transcript/25286","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178/transcript/25286/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/025/286/original/AV203832_Ethnosystems_Innovation_and_Development_b.vtt?1620124091","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/025/286/original/AV203832_Ethnosystems_Innovation_and_Development_b.vtt?1620124091"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178/transcript/25287","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AV203832_Ethnosystems_Innovation_and_Development_b.txt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40519/file/112178/transcript/25287/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"﻿- If I, the earliest inhabitants of Kenya, the hunter gatherers who inhabited the open savanna and drier wood lands, it is evident that after the agricultural revolution, about six, seven thousand years before Christ, the beginnings of an agriculture and pastral economy enabled the development of a more sedentary way of life. And subsequently the expansion of several communities came to occupy different portions of Kenya. And I can say that in addition to the role, the environment such as the well-watered rich and fairly topography of Kenya, the savanna grasslands close to the lakes and woodlands near the rivers played in the historical development of these societies, as well as the recent climatic changes and the increase of certain population groups. That will be most interesting to analyze the impact of the social, cultural structures and organization of the early communities in relation to the transition to food production in a more comparative Aetna archeological, that is ethnobotanical way, but in this most complex academic and field situation in East Africa, I highly appreciate the support of members of C CAD here at Iowa State University. But I, especially here want to mention the expertise and authority on prehistoric coaches and development in the later nail Lytics in East Africa of Dr. John Bauer, whose name I knew already from his studies, even before I learned that he was working within the context of C CAD. And I think his advice and recommendations will be mostly appreciate by the lead program in the forth coming studies in East Africa. In this context, I would like to share with you the impetus, which due to the network where we are a member. Has been given to this particular pilot study, which we face it this summer in Kenya. When Dr. Warren and myself and my wife, when we were visiting ISU for following the DAT training program, I had the pleasure to join Dr. Warren to visit Pioneer Hybrid Laboratories. Here not far away in Iowa. And as you, as already, we're already told, we were very pleased to learn that C CAD had received subsidy substantial grant from Pioneer for the initial work. Now through some of the interviews, I had the pleasure to give in a couple of newspapers recently in the Netherlands. I mentioned, of course, this grant, and just before, in fact, 48 hours before the departure to aims, I was invited to discuss and present the budget for the coming pilot study on Polio ethnobotany perspectives on indigenous agricultural knowledge in Kenya to Philips, Norelco in the Netherlands. And they were, they showed themselves most interested to perhaps also co-sponsored this project together with an initial grant from the University of London. When we visited and arrived at Des Moines airport, Dr. Warren handed a tailor from Phillips to me, of which the context was very promising. I'll just share it's a Robin Novum and its audience. The content I confirm our two-day conversation. We are very pleased to sponsor the above mentioned project for a total amount of us dollar 20,000 on behalf of Phillips Medical Systems, division, Phillips Industrial, and Electrical Acoustic Systems, division, Phillips Kenya free of charge, surface activities for Phillips products involved in this pilot project. We wish you and Dr. Leaky a good start in Kenya for these very important human social project signed by Raymond Matthay, Regional Manager of Phillips Regional Systems in East Africa. Now, I think this contribution will indeed give us a good start and we look forward to keep you closely informed, especially again, through C CAD network and the newsletter Dr. McClure, if I may conclude now to assess the tremendous potential C CAD has not only for the lead program as one of its overseas members, or perhaps better say daughters, but for the total reorientation and development, thinking around the globe, I wish to stress, that for our work C CAD is giving us an extra dimension in terms of broadening the specialism and the expertise through its international network, where authorities as visiting experts could come and assist in preparing and executing indigenous NOCO indigenous knowledge systems oriented projects. This is especially important. Very searches can draw upon research already carried out in order to avoid many replications of the infection invention of the anthropological wheel, the documentation center, where Mr. McKinnon plays to my opinion, and very pivotal role in designing and operating computerized model for, and I cite him from this afternoon gathering, organizing, developing, and synthesizing all the published and unpublished materials on indigenous knowledge systems from indigenous technical knowledge and own perhaps whole ethno systems around the world I think that's a tremendous task where he appropriately uses the metaphor of the top of the iceberg. And where I would like to end the African parallel, in terms of the eyes of the hippopotamus. There it goes. If I do it well. Goes something like this\r\n\r\n- Many important issues. Yes, I'm concluding, many important issues have already been identified and expressed, and I'm sure that many more will evolve from this week's meeting We will especially take home from this meetings feeling what Dr.Lynn Compton expressed to us yesterday as a sort of feeling of a near revolution of thinking in development aid, Pioneer Phillips have set the tone for this start. The Netherlands development agency of the ministry of Foreign Affairs is now following to include indigenous knowledge systems in their development efforts, still in the Demato of the cultural dimension of development. And I wish to conclude to mention, and I think that's also very important. Some of the tasks we from lead from the, from the University of London could contribute to the undoubted success of C CAD, where I especially the think of collaborative research and projects and programs, presenting material of the, what you have called the gray of the fugitive sources on indigenous knowledge, even outside our own specialties, coordination of tasks in order to contribute to the accumulation of new evidence in this field, join symposia conferences and publications together with our counterparts from this university, and last but not least the diffusion of the idea of the importance of indigenous knowledge systems within our own academic circles with donor agencies. And beyond that with the local farmers and artisans themselves, which over the centuries have been providing us with such a rich heritage of indigenous knowledge, which together we foster and cherish for the decades to come. Thank you very much.\r\n\r\n- We have time for a few questions who would like to be first? Bum,\r\n\r\n- Yeah I was just in the process of your talk, one word that comes across, of course he's had an agriculture.\r\n\r\n- Yes.\r\n\r\n- And I, it seems to me as we look at this whole process of development, as it is on agriculture, rural development, and we have our lesson fascination with the technology that we've forgotten that concept of culture, which is embedded within the idea of culture. And I, I guess I don't have a direct question, but I wonder if you could comment on that process, how we've kind of taken the culture out of agriculture and what this process is about to reverse that?\r\n\r\n- Well, I think this is a very fundamental question. I just well tip to Palm as the tip of the iceberg. When we speak about the transition to food production, to settle farming, then the word arboriculture becomes already a way of what we mentioned earlier in the whole development of cognitive anthropology. And ethnoscience the behavioral dimension of food production to a discussion in the New York times. I have here a copy life in the stone age, new findings point to complex societies. The question of which was there earlier, the chicken or the egg, the complex society, and then the so-called revolution of was it first a matter of transition to settle farming. And I think that this sort of insight, what we could really need in our historical and prehistorical perception of local knowledge systems could then enlighten the onset of the cultural layer over this early behavior approach. What we just mentioned, the literate cultures, which obviously came after this revolution and perhaps for the second, most revolutionary step in our whole evolution. So I think this is the thing, what we really should keep in mind, of course, especially Iowa State, which is the Mecca of agriculture knowledge, indigenous and cosmopolitan.\r\n\r\n- Well, I guess what I'm actually thinking of, it was really from the end of the second world war until the present is where I think we've really lost that.\r\n\r\n- Oh yes. Oh yes. Well, they're there. I can show you some signs in the Netherlands where after the world war two, we were proud to increase the production of one square meter four times, but where we are now piled up with, well, all these chemicals and in your secret CIA reports, the Netherlands are designated as one of the problem areas in drinking water in the coming five years. So we should stick. So something else to drink.\r\n\r\n- Around the world, you get the Phoenix.\r\n\r\n- I spoke about some theoretical problems and some practical problems where you hit the nail is the practical problem. And I'll explain it to you.\r\n\r\n- Because we all work in a scientific academic circle. So that's where we should start. I hope that it will go beyond that. But like Dr. Warren indicated earlier to us on the national level in urban, amongst civil servants, and we shouldn't be too negative about it, but you will find, and I think I would in this case, refer to Elysia where if you'll be working a sort of suspicion against this sudden a new interest in local knowledge systems. And I, I think, well, I discussed it with many civil service, not only Indonesia, but also in Africa. And I think what is behind it is that there is a fear of sort of re culturation or revitalization of local culture remembered is a dynamic approach to culture. Where for instance, I did a short study in Sulawesi, Salatin on a community house and we found it there in the, really in the periphery, there is a lot of richness in traditional medicine, but then I bring it on the table in central ministries, the ministry of health in Jakarta, they say, yeah, we shouldn't give them too much rope. And this might become embedded in the political context is re culturation. They start immediately to overwhelm only the medical approach and, you know, the social movement can come out. And we know from the Chinese model that the social movement can turn into a political system like the cultural revolution. And I think this is one of the hidden suspicions behind the apprehension of civil surface. But again, there's another insight in other leeway to break in as we see it. And that's the failing, the failing series of projects who so far still based on this investment in man concept is failing. And we perhaps the sociologists could say, well, if you now start on a small scale to look into this social, this cultural dimension of development. And suddenly I, I learned that this sort of terms are now accepted already. And we that's my second concern. We have to be careful to keep it within our circle, within our control to participate. I mean, the Netherlands government is now certainly asking an anthropology and reforestation in Senegal, which was last year, even unthinkable. So suddenly on certain ways you get this, what, what my reference to talk to contents remark, that's a sort of change. And that's why I think the university has a very important role to play, to act as a sort of catalyst ager capitalists sort of unit, where we could start to finally go through other circles.\r\n\r\n- Get the of the surface there and explore the nature of that total animal feeling we need help you see any practical ways that ethnology can help reorient.\r\n\r\n- I really think so, but we have to be careful not to become troubleshooters as we did in the past, but I think that your approach to cross disciplinary teamwork, one of the issues Dr,Warren mentioned in the other meeting, I think that will be very helpful to play as an ethnologist to role. You need to die from the water.\r\n\r\n- One more question, running a little late, but.\r\n\r\n- Yes. 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