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interviewer for the Iowa State University's Special Collections and University Archives Department of Mathematics Oral History Project. Today is June 23rd, 2021. I'm interviewing professor Wolfgang Kliemann. Good morning, Wolfgang.\r\n\r\n- Good morning. Good afternoon. How are you doing?\r\n\r\n- Yes, good afternoon. All right, so tell me about where you were born and something about the place you grew up in.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so I was born in a small town in Northwestern Germany, and I actually did grow up very close to that place in a town right on the Dutch border.\r\n\r\n- And what was it like growing up in that time, during, you know, the '50s and like in the Cold War?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, that was an interesting, interesting experience, as you can imagine. So my parents are a typical German situation of those years, which is my father was from way out Eastern Germany, what now is Poland, and my mother was from way out Western Germany, namely close to the Dutch border. And so my father came after the war, was released from a camp a little later and ended up in Western Germany since the part where he grew up was part of Poland by then. So he didn't want to, I guess, join that. So he came over to Western Germany.\r\n\r\n- And what was your family like and what did your parents do?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so my father worked in construction and civil engineering construction type of things, building roads, building things like that. And my mother was a homemaker. So they met after the war. Many people got somehow, you know, connected in the aftermath of the war through all kinds of. There were lots of people moving across the continent in this way and other ways. And so people met and got married and that's the way it went.\r\n\r\n- Do you have any fond memories from those early years that have stayed with you?\r\n\r\n- Oh, absolutely. I mean, it was actually, for the kids, it was a good time, you know, because there was lots of sort of community things going on, of course. There wasn't much food, as you can imagine. The administration government didn't work very well. Everything had to be reconstructed after the war. And so when I grew up, it was the small communities that were sort of the backbone of what would later be the real Germany, if you want to. And so it was actually, for the kids, it was pretty good, because you felt strongly embedded in where you are. And for instance, the first language I learned in my life was Dutch, because the Western German version, right on the Dutch border, there is a dialect called Eastern Frisian. And the Dutch is Western Frisian, but they're very close to each other. And so I learned German, the standard High German when I got to school. And so, yeah, it was quite interesting. On the other hand, of course, even in the town where I grew up, there was the long-established people that not had come through this, for these migration issues. Many dead, but, you know, there was some. And this was the old, settled people in that town. And then there was the in-and-out migration. But again, it was a very, very interesting situation that everybody was in the same community. And people felt positive towards each other at that point, so that was good. We didn't have five acres, of course. Nobody had much in Germany those years, so we didn't have much. But since we didn't, we didn't know about it. And so who cared, right?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, did your family have any expectations for you growing up?\r\n\r\n- Well, my father was sort of, what shall I say? He came from a family that was in agriculture for many years, for generations actually. And so they were like, \"If you want to join a John Deere dealership or something like that,\" except that all of that was lost after the war. So he understood quite well that the only way for his kids to get ahead was through a great education. And so my father made all of us kids go through in this triple-tiered system in Germany all the way to the higher system. And so my brother became a school principal after he grew up and went through things. My sister was a tax consultant, and I just happened to like mathematics. And so, . So yeah, education was a big thing in our family.\r\n\r\n- So did you display an early ability for mathematics, or where did the ability come from?\r\n\r\n- That's a good question, and to be honest, I don't know whether one can trace it back to any genetics. My father had an engineering education, but I'm not sure he was actually that much into mathematics. And mathematics was not really the outstanding thing in my life when I was in high school, you know. I mean, I was sort of okay in whatever people did. You know, you just sat and worked a little bit and I was okay, but not specifically aimed at mathematics. I know that some of my colleagues were identified as special mathematicians very early on. I was not one of those.\r\n\r\n- So why then did you choose to study, or talk about how that came to be. So talk about your early, I guess in our term undergraduate, but university type of training.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so I started in sociology, actually, at the free university of Berlin. And there was an undergraduate in sociology. And I took some math courses on the side, but I took other courses too on the side. And so sociology really was my goal. I got a free degree in that one. In Germany, there's a before your master's, sort of, and then your master's. So before my master's, I got that in Berlin and then switched to a different university to be closer to home and things. Because Berlin, remember, in those years, West Berlin was cut off from the rest of West Germany. So you had to fly in or you had to drive through Eastern Germany in those days. It was a very, very time-intensive and a somewhat complicated way of doing things. But I wanted to be in Berlin. I wanted to have this sense of this feeling of being, number one, in a big city, but number two, also understand the political consequences of the separation of Germany in those years. So I went back to the west, closer to home, and realized that, when you get a sociology degree, getting a job is not completely trivial, in particular because, basically, all jobs were somehow politically related in those days. And so what that means is that I tried to get away as far as possible from being asked to conform with some ideas or ideologies or whatever. And so I said, well, I took some math courses. Math is probably as far away from political predetermination as anything else. And so I decided, because I didn't like the job prospects in sociology, to become a mathematician, Which is probably a somewhat unusual way of doing things.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so describe then the political climate of the time that you decided to do this.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so I started university in 1967 or so. And so these were the days of, as you know, of unrest in the entire Western world, in the United States, of course, with the war in Vietnam and other things. And in Europe as well, we had a student movement and things like this. And so you had to take sides basically to get a job. In sociology, to get a job, you were either on this side or you were on this side. And none of that appealed to me because, you know, I thought that looking at the facts and looking at things that you can prove and for which you have evidence makes more sense. But it was very difficult to that get that kind of a job idea in sociology. So it was basically that you were pre-determined in either you're a part of this or you're a part of that. Society is a little bit like that these days again, which is really funny, you know? That you're either here or there. And back then, Western Europe was a little bit like this, you're either here or you're there. And I thought it was not such a hot idea.\r\n\r\n- And so why then did you decide then in mathematics for your PhD or for your final degree?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so I got a master's in mathematics, or a equivalent to a master's in mathematics. And that was simply because, you know, I could have done other things, but mathematics since I took some courses. I found statistics always quite interesting, because it had to do with facts and how to, you know, turn facts into evidence and into understanding and so on. So I took enough courses in mathematics and I said, \"That should free me up from this problem of having to pick sides.\" And so I got a master's in mathematics. Was looking at for a while at sort of an education kind of job. So I taught sort of in a lecturer capacity at the university for a few years. But it was not quite what I had expected it to be, because, basically, what you do is you see students day in, day out. So it's like a high school job, which is okay. So I thought, \"Let's see what happens in mathematics itself.\" So I met somebody who was interested in mathematics and probability and statistics and so on altogether at a new university in Germany. It was just opened then, the University of Bremen. And I said, \"Okay.\" And that person had a PhD, actually, from the University of Michigan. And so he had come back to Germany. And so I said, \"I'd be happy to work with you.\" So that's how it happened. So I switched again from this town, Bielefeld, where I got my master's, to Bremen. And I've been a happy person in Bremen, if you want to, ever since, you know. But if you ask me what I consider to be my home place in Germany, then I would say it's Bremen. I'm still on the Advisory Board of the University of Bremen. I do this today, to the very day. And so I've still got many connections to that university. We have regular discussions with the rector of the university, which is same as the president here, and so on. And I have a connection with the department there. And so that was a very fortunate move.\r\n\r\n- How did you decide on your focus or dissertation topic?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so for my master's, I actually worked in algebra. I don't know whether that has any meaning to you what areas of mathematics. Algebra, algebra for me is a good thing, because it allows you to sort of dig into mathematical formalism. So I wrote a few things there and wrote a master's thesis. And I was really happy with that, but I could not see myself doing that for the rest of my life. I really wanted to connect things, a little with statistics, a little with dynamics and things like this. And since I met Ludwig Arnold there who had just, as I said, come back from the States, he was in stochastic dynamics and that sounded like just the right thing that I would like to do, because it still had a little bit of the data in it and a little bit of the statistics in it and a little bit of the dynamics and a little bit, to be honest, also of the applications in it, because doing mathematics just for mathematics' sake is a good thing to do. But once in a while, you know, at night after dinner if you don't know what to do, looking at applications is not such a bad idea.\r\n\r\n- Talk a little bit then about your postdoc work in Warsaw and Madrid and what was your experience like at those institutions?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so that was good. I had a position, a postdoc position at the University of Bremen after my PhD. But we decided early on, we means with my major professor, that to understand how mathematics really works you wanna go other places. And so I went to Warsaw for a substantial amount of time, more than half a year. And I lived basically in Warsaw before, you know, the days of, what shall I say, thawing of the relations there. And so that was a really interesting experience. I got my PhD in 1980 and when the Eastern Bloc fell apart in 1990s, so in between. So when I was in Warsaw, it was really a Communist Bloc country. But I knew some people from the National Academy quite well, because I had met them before. They were working in similar areas. And so I really enjoyed it. And I went back later on for a second time. I really enjoyed my time in Warsaw in that it showed me that, indeed, mathematics is an international language, not surprisingly so, that you can speak anywhere, and you can have your agreements and your disagreements, but you can wonderfully well do mathematics together and actually understand and talk to each other. It was a wonderful discovery. So that was my Warsaw time. Then I spent a few months in Madrid at the, yeah, Madrid has one, or Spain has one major University, Complutense in Madrid. And the Complutense are open very early on. One of the first universities that I know of that opened up a branch that had to do with distance education. And that was already in the 1980s. And so the university was called UNED, Universidad Nacional de Educación a Distancia, so National University of Distance Education. And I thought it was an interesting thing, because they would give us, as the scientists, give us additional possibilities of actually reaching people and not only talking about what we did, but helping them with the kind of things that they may want to know. And so I went to the UNED for awhile. I also happened to know somebody there, of course. This is how you get these jobs, right? You know somebody. You couldn't just apply, because if you just apply, nobody knows you, you don't get a job. So I got a job there knowing some people there. And I have worked quite a bit. I wrote some papers with those guys from the UNED. And what I learned there was that, you know, the idea of Educación a Distancia was a little strange the way they did it. Basically, they just replaced everything that was in person before with sending letters back and forth, but they had no specific idea about what the pedagogy should be or could be if you really do distance education. And so I was a little disappointed with that. So it was interesting. The good thing was, or the interesting thing, was that the people who I knew there, Velarde and de la Rubia, were actually physicists. And so while in Warsaw, I was at the National Academy of Sciences. And in the Math Institute in Madrid, I was in the physics department. And that helped me at least understand a few things that physicists were interested in with respect to stochastic dynamics. And I think it has helped me afterwards to understand how this could or should or might go. And then my third attempt at a postdoc was in Ames, Iowa.\r\n\r\n- So what brought you to Ames?\r\n\r\n- Well, there were not many people in stochastic dynamics back then. One of them was Krishna Athreya, who was a professor here in Ames at Iowa State in the statistics department and in the mathematics department. And he had good connections also to Madison, the University of Wisconsin, where there was somebody else who was in this area, namely Tom Kurtz. And so there were some people in this area of stochastic dynamics, but, actually, not too many. It turned out that Wisconsin at that moment didn't have a job, but I was in a visiting position. And so I said, \"Sure, after these other two jobs, I don't know, let me go and check out mathematics in the United States, which basically is what I did. So I came on a visiting position in '83.\r\n\r\n- What was your experience of Ames and Iowa State at the time?\r\n\r\n- Well, the beginning was sort of interesting, in the sense that I had not expected that kind of teaching. What happens is, before that in Spain as well as in Warsaw, I hadn't done any teaching. The idea was to work on mathematics together. So I didn't quite know what to expect, but visiting positions at Iowa State are mostly, or were mostly for helping with the teaching. So, because we didn't have lecture, we now means Iowa State University, the math department didn't have lecturer positions at that time. What there was to cover the teaching was the temporary positions, and a amount of temporary positions were these visiting positions. And so I smack fell into that. So I was teaching a regular load like everybody else. And since, number one, I'd never done that for my first teaching in my life, if you want to, really teaching students, was your names. So the teaching of students really, you know, I had never done it and I had nothing prepared. And so it took a lot out of my time. But it was good. I learned how to teach. And I did it for a few years. And thanks to the chair back then and some good colleagues, I somehow made it.\r\n\r\n- We'll talk more about teaching in a little bit, but how stressful was that? And how did you, I mean, what did you learn? What went right? What went wrong?\r\n\r\n- So what went wrong, of course, is that my idea of teaching was going back to how I had been taught. I had no other example in front of me and I had no other experience in front of me. And so the general way of teaching at a university is somewhat different than US ways. And so what went wrong that the student and myself were not always talking to each other in the beginning, and it took a while to learn this. But the good thing about students here is that they say what they think. And so they got me very soon into understanding that their situation was not what I thought it was. So it was entertaining.\r\n\r\n- Talk a little bit about the dynamics of the department and its culture at the time.\r\n\r\n- So, yeah, I was, maybe for a year or two, I was mostly busy with getting my lectures in order and getting my classes in order and so on, and so I don't think I did pay much attention to departmental dynamics. But then, after I got my head over water in the teaching category, I looked around and, thought, \"Well, let me do see whether one can do mathematics,\" because remember, that's what I was going there, right? I came here to Ames, not because of learning some teaching, but because of doing some mathematics with some colleagues who I knew that were in the same area of mathematics as I was. And so, little by little, I got enough enough time, enough free time besides teaching that I could actually do this. And it was quite good. It was quite good with Krishna, but not only with Krishna, also with some other people who were in systems without or dynamics without the stochastic part, but anyway. And then, of course Iowa is close to many other people that I knew, like there was the Wisconsin connection. And there were other connections, Carnegie Mellon and Case Western and Colorado. And there were other connections, and so, little by little, I realized that it's not a bad place to actually do mathematics.\r\n\r\n- And so how did you see the department change over the years during your time?\r\n\r\n- Do you mean from '83 to 2020?\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- That's 35 plus years. When I came, when I came, what's her name, who was chair? I just don't get her name. I have her face in front of me, because we talk via Zoom once in a while. Anyway, so let me go check her name here so that I can, yeah. Oh yeah, Anne Steiner. So Ann Steiner, I think, did have a sense of a balance between teaching and research, which in the department at that time mostly meant that she was interested in having people who could do some kind of research and who were willing to do that. My impression back then was that, what, about half of the department was doing research and the others understood themselves more or less like faculty in a educational setting. And so I got a lot of encouragement from her joining sort of the research part and really doing what I came to do anyway, I mean, to figure out how does mathematics research work in the United States? And the interesting thing is that I think that is a tension between teaching and research that every mathematics department in the country lived with, to the very day, that our department at Iowa State lives with to the very day. There's different answers to that. There's different sort of balances to that that makes sense and that don't make sense, sadly. So we have gone, we now means Iowa State Mathematics, has gone through many developments of trying things and trying something else and trying things. Always restricted, of course, by the external, you know, weight blocks that you have, you cannot get totally out of what you want to do. And so one of the big issues of, what shall I say, of the issues every math department, math department like Iowa State and this country grapples with, is what this relationship between teaching and research? Mostly because of, you could hire enough high-powered researchers who would also like to teach once in a while and so make life at least live within the same person more easily. That however is financially unacceptable. And so the restrictions on the budget of mathematics department require to find solutions that are not so obvious. The obvious solution would be, yeah, well, just hire a few good mathematicians and let them teach the courses. And if they don't know how to do it, to help them a little bit in teaching the courses. Life is good. Well, it doesn't work that way, because given the amount of teaching that any mathematics department like ours at a big university, state university does, that is just financially not acceptable to the university. I don't know any university that actually, you know, any university like Iowa State who has been able to do this. There are a few. There are a few exceptional universities and small universities, often private universities where this model works. I spent some time at Harvard, and it works quite nicely at Harvard. And I've spent some time in other math departments looking around and it does work in some of those, but for a large university where mathematics teachers, more student credit hours than any other department in the university, like we do, that is very common. You just don't get the idea that you can only have top mathematics researchers who, at the same time, will do all the teaching. That just doesn't work. So you have to find sort of a compromise. And where that compromise is and where it makes sense and where it doesn't make sense, like I said, that was one of the big, and still is, is my guess, one of the big discussions and one of the big tensions in any mathematics department.\r\n\r\n- Well, picking up on that, and we can talk more when we talk about your administrative roles, but what recommendations or advice or ideas have you discovered or would you recommend for Paul and, say, the future of the department?\r\n\r\n- With respect to this teaching and research issue or in general, more general?\r\n\r\n- Well, specifically the balance between, but.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so since you do have to live within the given budget, you have to fight every year to get a little more, but you basically have to live within the given budget, and for mathematics that means that you don't even get all the money that comes into the university from teaching, which means tuition. But you get a part of the tuition that you actually realize for the university, not all of it. And so you have to figure out how can you live with this budget and still be a math department of some kind. Advice is, number one, let the professionals do the professional jobs. In other words, if there is people who are really good at teaching and know how to do it with that group of students, which means 18 to 22 or 25 year-old, you know, if you find these people, find the best ones and hire them. And that's what I tried to do when I was chair of the department, because what it does is, on the one hand, it gives students access to the educational resources that they deserve, in other words, really good people who can teach mathematics. And as we know, mathematics is not always the most beloved topic in high school. So often we have to, not often, we have to pick up the kids where they are and teach them some mathematics from where they are, no matter what it is and what their background is at that point. And to assume that a well-rounded mathematics researcher automatically can do this just turns out to be not correct. And so, in other words, you really have to find good professionals to do this. And you have to think about how these professionals fit into a academic department then. That's not obvious, because they don't do research. I mean, most of what we do when it comes to promotion, tenure, money, salaries, all kinds of things, is related to, does this person do good research? That's how universities usually, at least universities like Iowa State, how they usually work. So you have to find a career profile for these people so that it makes sense to them and so they make sense to the department, and most importantly, so that the students get what they deserve. What that means is you have to figure out where in the department can, these teaching faculty, where can they actually have award, Where can they vote? Where not? Should they determine what we do in research? Maybe not. Should they determine what we do in education? Probably at least be part of it. There are all of these things, and we did not have this. When I came here, we did not have this. Actually, it took a long time before, because we just had written, when I came here, we just had written a document for the department that was actually done before I came, after the Barnes sort of chairmanship fell apart. But this document did not address this problem. Basically, nobody but tenure and tenure-track faculty were allowed to participate in the department. But you cannot hire professionals and give them this extremely important job without integrating them somewhere into the department and understanding how that could work. So that's an important piece. It took a while for us, I think, to get there. I think we have a good balance there, talk about balance again, at this moment. Because, for instance, we have teaching faculty on the undergrad committee in the department that makes perfect sense, on many other committees and so on. We have to have a letter where they can actually be promoted. The university does have that, finally. Remember, in the beginning, in the '80s and '90s, we didn't have this at all. And so we have a little more of that. There still are, of course, sometimes, what shall I say, different views of how far this integration should go or not, but this is on the fringes. You know, it's a little bit more like this or like that, but basically that you need these two kinds of educated mathematicians to do well by mathematics and research and applications and so on and to do well by students. I think that is mostly understand. But it was a long, long discussion and a long fight in the department to get there. So I think we are a lot better there now than we were before. And one should not give too much attention to these, you know, fringe fights. There will always be a fringe fight that some people you know, \"We should be here.\" \"No, we should be here.\" If you look at the general what is accepted these days at Iowa State and other math departments like ours, I think we are absolutely in the right direction here. Let's not lose track of that.\r\n\r\n- So what were some of the priorities you had as associate chair of Graduate Studies and as chair of the department?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so this was one of them. So I was the one who actually did not hire the first teaching faculty, but a good number of teaching faculty were hired while I was chair. And as I said, some senior faculty did think this was the wrong thing to do. But I think we did it. And I think it was the right thing to do. No university like Iowa State can survive without that. So that was one of the things. The other issue, and by the way, that allowed people who were highly into research to actually get a course load that was smaller than we had because mathematics had a course load of two plus two forever and ever. And when I was chair, that was reduced to about half of the faculty having a course load of actually three courses, and not four per year. And one of the reasons for that, we could afford to do that, was that we diverted some of the funds to highly talented teachers and instructors. And so we could also then use some of the time of those who did not have to do this kind of teaching to actually do research. And if you look at the research output, in particular, the funding, it went up these years and the years afterwards. And that's why, because it's really something where, if you do it right, both sides balance and profit from it. The other key issue is, what is mathematics? Every mathematics department and the university that they live in struggle with the question, what is mathematics? And if you read through A.M.'s history of the math department, in A.M.'s history, it shows up as the question between pure and applied mathematics. And in some places, that's the discussion. It is. And in Iowa State, I think it was often, you know, formulated like that in discussion. But the discussion really is much more general, namely, what is mathematics, and how much mathematics does the country need? And as long as there were a few people doing mathematics research, you know, you always had the top research universities that were sort of doing the research. And since there were very few of them, there really was never this enormous amount of mathematics produced. And we never got to sit down and say, \"is it good? Is it bad? Is it useful? What is it?\" But as universities, including Iowa State, in the '80s started more and more looking at research as being the driver for promotion, for tenure, for all kinds of things. It was not just us. It was everybody. And so obviously the question was, do we need this mathematics? What's the mathematics we were given and we are getting here? Does it makes sense? What's the context for it? And so that is the other really big issue. I worked for IEEE for awhile. I was one of their guys in some of the committees. I was in the AMS committees for a while and so on. And so the best example there I have is, one day, when I'm sitting with the AMS, I think it was the public policy committee, and somebody from the then government, it was the Clinton government, stopped by, in the '90s, the Clinton government stopped by and says, \"Why should we support mathematics?\" And every mathematician in that room, every single freaking mathematician in that room said, \"Because mathematics is good. It's wonderful. It is thoughtful. It is research. It is deep. It is whatever.\" And the guy looks at all of them and says, \"I cannot sell that.\" And that was it, you know. I mean, we have built a culture, not only in mathematics, in many other areas, where we have built a culture that is really wonderful. However, it does not quite agree with those who actually have the money to pay us or not to pay us. And so just that mathematics is good and deep was not good enough for him. And it's understandable that it's not good enough for him, because as a country, as a society, ask yourself, why am I paying billions of dollars for something that nobody understands? And that's why, often, to the very day, what you see is this reaction, oh, that the mathematics teach calculus. Which, of course, calculus has little to do with mathematics. And this is not really what we're talking about. So the question is, what is mathematics? What is it good for? And it still does not come up at some of the top private or even state universities in the country, because for them, it's obvious. They have made their reputation on it. They live with it. They do good stuff with it. It's not such a big question for them. For the university like Iowa State, it is a big question. Shall we do you, know, something on the outskirts of important research? No, because from Iowa State, we don't get, let's face it, awards very often. We are not in the center where the new mathematics happens. Basically, what we do is go a little bit around it. Very good, I'm not saying it's not good mathematics. It's very good mathematics. It's original mathematics, everything, but it's not shaking up the world, you know? It's not even shaken up the mathematics world because we don't have, for instance, a single fellow DMS in the department. And so the point is that, you know, just looking at what we do in mathematics may not be good enough of a justification to pay so many people to do research. And since, as I just said, we had already thought and we have to think about giving the education part, at least the introductory education to professionals, in math education, not in math research. Now the question is, so what the heck do we do with all this mathematics? And, well, there's many, many good things one can do with it. And one of them is, so maybe if you don't do the next earth shaking thing in mathematics, maybe you do something that is useful, applicable. It doesn't have to be shaking the mathematics work, but maybe it should shake the application work. And that's where, in its core, this discussion, pure versus applied mathematics comes from. But it's really an expression of a much, much bigger issue and a much bigger thought, namely, what actually should the state and the federal government, and so on, pay for as national resources, as money? And where does it go? And so for our department, I think what you need there is, you do need, I find pure and applied mathematics are weird anyway, but let's stick to it for a moment. So the question really is, should the department, as a mathematics department, besides doing good mathematics, be more in the center of campus? That's the expression I've used for at least 20 years or longer. The center of campus means that we are a resource for others on campus who need mathematics. We reach out to them. And not necessarily only those on campus, but off campus too, which means industry, which also means, you know how these things go, maybe it helps somebody who does, you know, in my example, electric power systems, not necessarily in Iowa, but maybe in Chile. So I started with a collaboration with the EE on campus. But by now it has grown to a big international thing that we do that. And that's good, you know? So is that part of our job or not? So should mathematics actually do this, or should we just continue to produce good, but not outstanding, mathematical ideas that may be really not important to anybody and that this poor guy from the White House can sell to Congress? And so, as you probably know, the AMS did change, then, a little bit their way of marketing itself and started these posters applied mathematics, which they never, of course, have applied. But, basically, what they did is, this is what mathematics is good for. So instead of saying mathematics is good because it's thoughtful and good mathematics, they said math is good because it can be used for something. So that sort of a change of thinking to some extent also happened at Iowa State. Little by little by little as the years went by, it became clearer and clearer that you cannot have a department of this size when you're only claim that what you do is good for mathematics. It has to be something that is good for something beyond mathematics. And, yeah, if you look through the history, you'll see that that part has increased, and rightfully so, and probably should increase even further.\r\n\r\n- Well, talking to A.M., he talks about what he calls eclectic hires over the years where these individuals would go on to other departments or start other departments at NAS Off, under the Computation Center, later CS, et cetera. So there's been a lot of interdisciplinary work or, you know, cross-promotion from the mathematics department in these fields. So that has been certainly a trend, but also as a land grant institution, you know, Iowa State's mission is contributing back for the public good. So how much of this applied or public good comes from a commission, comes from being accountable to state's and government budgets and/or just trends within the profession or within higher education?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so, A.M., of course he's a very good observer of these things. I mean, he is absolutely right there that what the department needed was sort of a meaningful role on campus, but it was sort of, what should I say, distributed by opening new departments. And so the meaningful role then did not fall to the department, but it fell to the other departments. And mostly, they did quite well. Let's not forget, you know, besides all the others, the stats department who, like in most places, came from the math department. So what was left in mathematics then by the '80s when I arrived, and A.M. always insists on that and he is probably right, what was left over for mathematics then at that point after these split offs was that the administration considered us, and most everybody else on campus, a service department. And service basically means you do the teaching job we want you to do. And if on a Saturday morning, you don't go to church, you can prove a mathematical theory. And that's fine with me, but you are a service department. I've talk to some people that I've known for a long time, one from EE and one from statistics, just in preparation for our discussion here. And they confirmed that to me, they confirmed to me that, in their departments, in statistics, for instance, and in EE, their understanding of what the role of the math department was, on campus at Iowa State, not what the role of mathematics was, but the role of the math department was the service department. And these are people who have been here for a long time, like Wayne Fuller in Stats and David Jiles in EE. And so somehow, with this spawning of children, some of the importance of mathematics got lost, because it would transfer to them. And so when the mathematics department came to itself under Anne Steiner, or after the Barnes era, after it came to itself, it realized that its understanding of what it wanted to do was somewhat different than what the university had thought for it. And when you thought about then what these discussions that were happening in mathematics at Iowa State, this applied mathematics was never a role that the department was playing according to the administration. According to the administration, the department was mostly playing the role of teaching calculus. And that's why you get some bitter comments from A.M. and other people who lived through these years, we had this big expectation at that point, but then it didn't quite work out. And I understand him, you know? I understand absolutely perfectly fine where he comes from. So there is, besides having professionals teach and understanding the role of mathematics and a mathematics department in a large public university, you also have to see how much of that can be realized in a given situation. I don't think that the land grant mission or other missions of Iowa State ever played a role in locating and situating the mathematics department in its proper role in the university. I don't think that ever played a role. At least I have not, I have not seen that.\r\n\r\n- Did you think about leaving Iowa State? And if not, what made you stay here?\r\n\r\n- That's a good question. So in the beginning, yes, I was indeed. I looked at other places and had offers from other places. I met my wife here at Iowa State in the mid '80s, so shortly after I arrived. My wife's a statistician. I don't know whether you know her. She's a statistician. She got a PhD. I met her when she was a student. She got a PhD here at Iowa State. She's on the faculty at Iowa State, but not only that, she's a member of the National Academies and she is a member and a fellow of all the statistical organizations and so on and so on. And so my wife is sort of one of the academic highlights of Iowa State. And so we have thought about this together because when I met her, she was a student, but then little by little, it turned out that she was actually a fantastic statistician. And so we had offers from several places on both coasts and international offers and things like this. The reason we stayed here was that we decided we can go to other places whenever we want. So we took sabbaticals to the big cities and all kinds of things. You can have collaboration with whomever you want. We spent a few years in Chile, for instance, at the Catholic University and the University of Chile because we wanted to be in a big city and a different one. She's from Latin America originally. So we wanted to speak some Spanish and things like this. But you can do that. Did we want to live in California? No. We looked at that quite carefully. We also had an offer from U of C. We had an offer from Arizona. We had an offer from what. We looked at that, and it is really somewhat unpleasant to live. So we asked ourselves, \"Will this improve our ability to do the science that we do?\" And no, it doesn't. It improves your headache. And so at the end we decided, we stay here. We make this our home base, you know? And then whenever we wanna go someplace else, we go. And that has worked out very, very nicely for both of us. And I was more worried about her than about me on this because the visibility of a high-profile university on the East or the West Coast would have, I thought would have helped her. But as I said, she's now a selected member of all four or five statistical community, a member of the National Academies. Is one of the few at Iowa State. But she became one even though she was at Iowa State and not in one of these big towns or cities. So it worked out okay. And she's running this center. So she has a national center, CSAFE, the Center for Statistics and Forensic Evidence, which is a national center on forensics in the United States. It's funded by the Department of Commerce. She's been running that for a few years. And Iowa State is sort of the center of that center. I mean, it has its sisters or brothers sitting other places across the country. But Iowa State is the main hub of that center. And she's quite happy running that center. She thinks it's a good thing to do. And she likes to do it. So that's where we're here.\r\n\r\n- Have you mentored young faculty?\r\n\r\n- Yes. Yes, I have had many, not only in mathematics. Some in mathematics, I have had, the university has this mentoring program. And so I've mentored faculty, in, what, 5, 6, 7 different departments across campus. And yes, I've tried to do.\r\n\r\n- And what has that experience been like for you and for them?\r\n\r\n- Well, Dan, that's an interesting question. For me, you know, I'm mathematician who really thinks that, in order to be important, mathematics has to be important. I said that before. Now, do you really have to do something that allows you to actually talk about mathematics to others? And so that's probably why I have had so many mentees from outside of mathematics. But I always forced them to also have a mentor in their own department. And so I think that is a particularly useful situation, that you can go and mentor people because they're not in your department, because what that does is it gives them more of an understanding of the entire institution. And it also, if they're so inclined, gives them more of an understanding of how collaboration across sciences actually works. While many mathematicians, you know, pure mathematics insists on being mathematics on its own, but often, even pure mathematics has a lot of meaning beyond it. One just has to explore it. And so what that means is that most of the important discoveries, of course these days, are not a single person or even a single group. It is multiple groups that get together and do these things. And so for that and basically all of these groups, for a good reason, there is or should be a mathematician. Even if there isn't, there should be one. Maybe the person who keeps track of the structures and that one gets the structures of thought and construction and models, that one gets those right. This is what mathematicians do. We are not about numbers. You know what I mean? That's a big misunderstanding. For any number that's greater than three is big for me, you know, I mean, the idea of mathematics is the science that actually analyzes structures and the question of how structures go. What is the structure? What do they mean? What different kinds of structures do they have? How do they belong together? And so that often goes into modeling questions, but it goes into data questions, it goes in computer question, go to all these kinds of things. So if you have a young person who comes to a university in a specific area, being the kind of the mentor that helps them broaden this a little bit, understanding that a university does not consist of individual departments, that the university is this broad, across reaching construct that we have where the individual departments are, you know, a good place to organize a few things, but not the thought. And the university is not organized within departments. You organize your, you know, when is your vacation and how many courses do you teach and where do your students come from? But you don't organize your thought in departments. You organize your thought across the collaborations that go horizontally instead of vertically. And so I think that was very good. And even when I was a mentor for young faculty in mathematics, I tried to emphasize these kind of things.\r\n\r\n- So looking forward a little bit, so given your role as an administrator, as associate dean, associate vice provost for research and picking up on this theme of interdisciplinary work and the importance of it, so stepping back and reflecting and maybe providing some recommendations, what might you recommend either for Iowa State or other universities looking to expand and innovate in these fields, what type of structure or groups, et cetera, do you think are most effective in terms of doing this type of work?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so yes, I started in administration in what, 2000 or so, somewhere around there. And I was the first associate dean for research that the college of LA has ever had. So there was nobody in that role before. And so my guess is I got that role because I think that collaboration in science is a good thing. That's probably why I got the job. So Peter Rabideau was dean back then. He is a chemist. Later went to, what, Mississippi State or someplace as a provost. So universities tend to think of themselves. Also us that were within think about ourselves as, you know, what's our home? What is it that makes this place take for us? And most often you will hear that somebody, towards either their department or their college, as \"This is my place.\" Like you would probably say, \"The library is my place.\" The mathematician would say, \"The math department is my place.\" And somebody in engineering would probably say it's the engineering college or the department. And indeed, there's many things happening in these structures. And these structures have grown over the centuries, not only in the US universities, but other universities too. And that's how we think about it. And anything that connects these constructions needs to be constructed. It is not automatic. Whatever happens in a department is fairly, usually it's fairly automatic. You can do well or not so well, but there's many best practices for all kinds of things, how you treat the grad student, how you do promotion and tenure. We know these things because we have many years of experience. When you talk about how do you connect philosophy to statistics, all of a sudden, you hear, \"What?\" But that, of course, is what makes thinking work, thinking in the sense of not just repeating what everybody has said for the last 50 or 100 years, but thinking that gets you beyond where you are at this moment. But this is not natural in this sense. It requires structure. And it is very difficult to build that structure from within a department. Some people have managed to do so. And I admire them deeply for that, how they were able to do that. An example of the early structure that was built from within a department or from within the discipline, was the Statistical Laboratory. You know, we had statisticians and agronomists and politicians, Washington politicians got together and said, \"There is something here that we need to explore.\" Hence born the Statistical Laboratory at IOC, even before the department was born. That's one of these fortunate examples where a few things happened. Another example at Iowa State has always been the Ames Lab. The Ames Lab has always brought together, not just departmental people, but people who were happy in the department or wanted to understand more. And so the Ames Lab, although it started within chemistry mostly, and then physics and some of the engineering. This branched out and actually became a lot more. And it involved some of the of the Iowa State people who were very good at what they did, but gave them a broader view of what the world actually looks like. So sometimes it did not go so well. I mean, these things are non trivial. But sometimes, they did go quite well. But otherwise, the natural place to start that kind of structure, what is it? It is the university administration and it's the college administration. For LAS, it was clearly the college administration, because LAS is so diverse that the college was more than wide enough to think beyond your own little world, you know, by far wide enough so that LAS got themselves a dean for research in 2020, in 2000 more or less. It was just way too late, you know? That should have happened way earlier. And so the job there was, for me at that point and even now, the job there is to create structures and meaning in your department. And what that could mean, what we had for instance was, you know, what was it, researching in a different discipline. You know, some people were going and taking courses in a different discipline. I took courses in EE back then and like this, or even before that. But you have to create this, what do they have to look like? They have to allow people to come together and build their strength together beyond what they can do individually. And many good things at Iowa State have come with such structures actually existed. Let me give you a few examples besides the Ames Lab. There was CARD. CARD was a wonderful thing because it lived in econ, but it was way beyond econ. They always had statisticians working there. They had mathematicians working there. They had the ag people working there, and so on. CARD was really a fantastic builder. And those people who ran CARD who understood this did a great job for the university. So CARD was another one of these examples. But mostly when sort of the university came alive as a real understanding of hoping to be a research university, these structures had to be created. So college was a typical example that one would go there and do this. Remember, I don't know, when did you join Iowa State?\r\n\r\n- So I started here in 2019. I grew up here and had friends and family attend here. So I'm a bit of a third-person knowledge about the university.\r\n\r\n- Okay. But that's good. So what I just said about LAS having its first research team in 2000, remember, even on the university level, the first vice, it was provost back then, vice provost for research, that was not primarily dean of the Graduate College was Jim Bloedel. I mean, he still was the dean of the Graduate College, but he understood that there is a job to be done that has to do with research and connecting research across the university. And before that, the person who was the vice provost for research mostly acted as a dean of the Graduate School by telling people how to put together POS committees and so on, you know? I mean, it was a big, what shall I say, deviation from this thought when Bloedel became vice provost for research and when, at the same time, or not at the same time. And he actually was the one who convinced the president, two years later or so after Jim Bloedel became vice provost for research, for the first time to do this internal competition about interdisciplinary research where there was a internal competition, and only those things would be funded that actually were interdisciplinary. But now, at the moment, everybody does this all the time, but this was only in 2000, or just the beginning of 2000. And remember the Bioeconomy Institute came out of this. There's many institutes and centers, even the education things at Iowa State that we now take for granted that came out at that point and they actually turned Iowa State into a very visible institution.\r\n\r\n- So what were some of the growing pains or early challenges when all this was getting underway?\r\n\r\n- One is to really convince faculty to participate, obviously. If you are still looking for promotion and tenure, promotion to associate, promotion to full, then doing what you know how to do is a safe way of doing it. This would disrupt this safe way of doing it. It would disrupt it in a way that one would say, \"Okay, you're not on your own. So you can work with the others, but also rely on the others.\" It was a non-safe way of doing stuff. It was amazing back then that there was enough young people on campus that would be able to create these kind of programs and institutes and so on that have become well-known out of these sort of ideas. And since, I've seen many, many other generations. Another issue, of course, was how to find the money. You don't build an institute with zero, you know? You have to give it sort of a kick. Where did you find the money? And as long as Iowa State had this, you know, the only money that Iowa State got for something that was bigger than an individual college, were through direct state appropriations. So the Ag Experiment Station, for instance. It sounds like it's only ag, but it's not only ag. It always had a little more money in it. Stats got some money from it. Biology got a little. LAS got a little money from it and things like this. So mostly the way we thought about this, we as a university thought about this, was that there has to be appropriations from outside. Point, of course, is that you have to have something to show so that the appropriations come from the outside. And to make something show so that it can then attract substantial research funding, that required somebody taking the initiative. And the point here is that the president at that point said, \"Okay, in the funding model of Iowa State, the president always has some money floating around.\" And he decided to use it for this thing. And so the biggest challenge is to find the people and to find the funding to work for a year or two or three to see whether it works. The other issue was that many people wanted this funding to go away after a year. Problem is, the research does not work within a year. You have people who have to come together from different areas of the world, if you want to, you know, because these were different worlds where all the people thought in these areas and how they were actually doing their things. You have to let this mature to a certain point. And of these first rounds of new centers and institutes, half of them are still alive and they are now very, very well known.\r\n\r\n- Were there ones that didn't succeed that maybe could have or should have, but?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, there is one there that is really interesting, which is this program in human computer interaction. I don't know whether you've heard about it. It is a program, it is now a graduate program, has always been most intended like that. But the hope when that got funded 20 years ago was that it would have this human computer interaction as a research program that would put us, meaning Iowa State, way ahead in the game of artificial intelligence. And it somehow never worked out. We have some good people there. That's not the point. I mean, if we didn't have the good people, there would not have gone any money into it. But somehow it never jumped into something like the Bioeconomy Institute did or some others did, you know? And so this AI sort of approach, it became a graduate program, but it did not really massively turn out into a research program. I am not sure why.\r\n\r\n- Was it there industry partnership or?\r\n\r\n- That was always industry partnership in all of these, from the very beginning, at least the understanding that it was important what they did for at least some kind of industry. We lost some other of those from those that started out quite promising because faculty would go someplace else. I mean, that always happens. And there's nothing you can do. And to some extent, these things do depend, not only on good ideas, but also on people. Good ideas do not just flourish by themselves. And so they need people who are able to put things together and sort of transcend this one department or even this one college and make that livable for people of that space. And it's not often a livable space. You see some reflections. And if you go back to A.M. Fink's report, you'll see that there's a description of that mathematics tried to hire people, and people now means faculty, in joint positions with other departments. That was sort of the mathematics try to make this work. But if there is no fertile ground, if there's no people that make this happen, it becomes a total burden for these poor people because they, by themselves, are not the solution. They're a solution as a group. And if you don't have this structure built where something can survive, it just doesn't. And so mathematics did not have good experiences with that when they tried to get in on it. But that is because it was, you know, it's one of these things where you, you know, force people to make it happen through some administrative thing. I mean, having a position in two departments, that's a consequence of something, but not the beginning necessarily. And the way we tried to do this was, \"Well, let's start with a joint with two departments and see what happens.\" Well, usually what happens is a pure confused person. So that was unfortunate. But mathematics has been a good player, going back to mathematics. There was the math biology that I bet Jim has told you about.\r\n\r\n- Mm-hmm. Absolutely.\r\n\r\n- Jim Cornette here. And back then, chair of statistics, what was it, Dean Isaacson and a few other people who did this, that actually worked out quite nicely. They became an important resource for people in the biology areas. And so that was actually, that was good. After, there was this sort of build up of understanding that there's a relationship between biology and stats and math. Then they hired some people in joint positions, and that worked well, but they did not hire people into joint positions to make something happen, but there was a little bit created with some experienced faculty. And from that, it actually went quite well. That's an example that was not supported, at least not massively, neither from the college, nor from the university. It was just the inside of these people. And it worked. That was great. And Jim spent a lot of money on this, a lot of time on this and he did very well.\r\n\r\n- So circling back back to your administrative service, so what were some of your priorities as associate dean, vice provost, et cetera?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so I was in, until I became chair of the math department, until then, these other two jobs, namely in the vice provost's office and in the dean's office, my job was related to research. And as I just said, in neither of these two offices was there an understanding of what it means to encourage research in a university. We hadn't done that. LAS, as I say, didn't have that position. And a corresponding position in the provost's office was mostly the dean of the graduate school. And so the priorities were to build structures within the university. It's always the same thing. And the structures are what, competitions, funding for certain things, for collaboration, funding for collaboration in and outside of Iowa State University that looked promising, letting the best faculty come forward and say, \"This is what we think the future will look like in five or 10 years.\" Because, you know, I'm just a mathematician. What do I know about this or that? But the point is that you can encourage people to come forward and to bring out their ideas. And that is really what you're doing research. Research is all about the thing that happens in five or 10 or 20 years down the road. It's not about the stuff that happened yesterday. And so you need to have an attitude towards that and you have to have the right people. The right people we have at Iowa State. There's lots of very, very competent faculty. You have to make sure that they understand that you really want them to come out with their ideas and all of this. And then you have to understand, when they have these ideas, how do you put them into a format where these ideas get support long enough and to where they can actually flourish, hopefully. So what we did back then in the VPR office is, and so, in LAS, we had some funding and we used funding mostly for putting together groups of faculty who wanted to work together, and also sending people to international congresses that were a little bit out of the way and things like this. In other words, a little risky. One has to understand research funding as investments. Simply because you do not see tomorrow or next year, or you did not see last year, what will happen when you do this? It'll be much, much further down the road. It is investments, but not only investments, high-risk investments, because you have very little data about what goes right and what goes wrong. And people have track records. Some ideas have track records. But it's never enough to say that this is a low-risk investment. Good research is always high-risk investment. That's just the nature of the beast, because you don't know what's gonna happen. If you knew, then it wouldn't be research anymore. So by definition, that's what it is. And so you have to have a good group of people who altogether understand what is a good investment here in research. And, often, what we did before that on campus is we invested in the same stuff or we gave money to the same stuff we did before. Basically, nothing exploded. We were looking for exploding things, things that were new that do something and national-centered, like my wife is funding, the bioeconomy. I mean, this is stuff that we were looking forward to that things would explode this way. So you have to have the right attitude. You have to have some money, but again, colleges and the president, you know, once they understood that half of these things would go wrong, because that's the high risk part of it, right? I mean, right. Half of it will go wrong, or maybe even more, depending on what you have. But once they understand that, that you can actually use state monies to do something that may go wrong. But it was a thought sort of unheard of before. The university administration, Iowa State in particular, much more so than the University of Iowa, was very conservative in thinking about what to do next. When you're in the health industry, you are always a little different, because what always interests you is the next bad disease. And the next bad disease gives you a little bit more of a forward-looking think. The next good thing in agriculture does not seem to work quite the same way. That's my experience from Iowa State. And so you had to convince them, so my job together with in LAS, my job was to convince the dean. And if we have enough good people together, we can sort of build this thing. And my job in the VPR office was, together with the VPR, to make sure that we could convince those that had the money and could make this happen that they should actually do so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131460#t=0.0,5117.52"}]}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - Kliemann_02_2021-06-29.mp3"]},"duration":6703.872,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/131/461/small/kliemann.jpg?1639684022","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-iastate.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/131/461/original/Kliemann_02_2021-06-29.mp3?1639684022","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":6703.872,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, this is Daniel Hartwig, an interviewer","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=4.08,6.38"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for Iowa State University Special Collections","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=7.673,9.42"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and University Archives, Department of Mathematics","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=9.42,11.63"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oral History Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=11.63,13.08"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Today is June 29th, 2021.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=13.08,16.29"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm Interviewing Professor Wolfgang Kliemann, part two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=16.29,20.21"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Good afternoon, Wolfgang.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=20.21,22.03"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Good afternoon, Daniel. How are you're doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=22.03,24.09"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Good, thank you. All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=24.09,25.913"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So last time you were just talking about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=27.79,31.21"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the risk of research and working within an otherwise,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=33.14,37.86"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"historically at least conservative administration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=37.86,40.933"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you can kinda pick up where we left off last time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=41.95,45.027"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(laughing)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=45.027,46.7"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, conservative administration,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=46.7,51.7"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's a good, good starting point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=52.118,54.6"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's think about research for a 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Sounds good to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=6689.56,6690.74"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/1768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm looking forward to seeing the results of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=6690.74,6693.81"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/1769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Daniel:\u003c/strong\u003e Alrighty. Take care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=6693.81,6695.45"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/1770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Bye-bye.\nBye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=6695.45,6696.8"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34902/annotation/1771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/034/902/original/Kliemann_02_2021-06-29.vtt?1639684026","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/034/902/original/Kliemann_02_2021-06-29.vtt?1639684026"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34903","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Text [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461/transcript/34903/annotation/1772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- Okay, this is Daniel Hartwig, an interviewer for Iowa State University Special Collections and University Archives, Department of Mathematics Oral History Project. Today is June 29th, 2021. I'm Interviewing Professor Wolfgang Kliemann, part two. Good afternoon, Wolfgang.\r\n\r\n- Good afternoon, Daniel. How are you're doing?\r\n\r\n- Good, thank you. All right. So last time you were just talking about the risk of research and working within an otherwise, historically at least conservative administration. If you can kinda pick up where we left off last time.\r\n\r\n- All right, conservative administration, that's a good, good starting point. Let's think about research for a moment, about research in the state of Iowa. What we have is we have two AAU universities in the state of Iowa, AAU, that's the American Association of Universities, which are the top 60 or so universities in the country. Iowa has two of those. And for a relatively small state, that is a very large number. The AAU and membership in the AAUs is very prestigious. And of course it's mostly founded on research, on graduate education. Not so much on undergrad education, although there's a few numbers, too. But most of the numbers that count are the numbers for a, in a whole academic institution, which means research, teaching, outreach and these things. But the emphasis in the AAU is on research. And so Iowa has to be applauded for supporting two universities that made it into the AAU and are still a member of the AAU. That also means that substantial research investment should be necessary at these universities to keep that membership. And it was important to our presidents at Iowa State and the University of Iowa for many, many years. But then one has to see that this investment in research, number one, not all of it comes through, it's relatively risky. And the other thing is even if something comes out of it, it doesn't happen tomorrow. It does not happen in two years or four years. Usually it takes a lot longer. Now I remember the day, so out of my own experience, I remember the day when two gentlemen from electrical engineering showed up in one of my courses about the Emeka systems and said, \"This could be useful for electric power systems.\" And 15 years later, the method that we then developed together and about which we wrote 50 papers or so became the recommended way of tuning power systems by the IEEE, the Institute of Electronic Engineers. 15 years, who would have thought. And that is in some respect relatively fast. If you look at things, what people get even Nobel prizes these days, it's for stuff that they did 20 or 30 years ago. And so there is a certain tension there between investment in research and the payoff that one would like to see when one invests. And while academics is used to that, certainly those who support financially the universities in Iowa, the two AAU universities, for them, it is not an obvious way of thinking. And what I mean by that is that those who spend tax dollars in the state of Iowa and they wonder what should we spend them on, and there's often banks that have shorter payoff, maybe not as much, but shorter up here. Maybe shorter payoff, less risky payoff. And so a conservative for administrations at the State University in Iowa, also means you have to balance these aspects and you have to balance being on top of the academic world in the AAU. And at the same time, living in a state that is relatively small and tries to find money for research or to universities when there's other issues that actually compete. So if you add to that a little bit the fact that it seems to me since I came to Iowa, which again was in 83, 1983, a long time ago, when I came to Iowa, there was sort of an understanding, a general understanding that the universities were good. They were important. We needed them. We needed to support them at what they do. And part of that was that there was obviously in the area of technology and many other areas the United States had done extremely well over the last years. And agriculture was not the only thing that mattered in the state of Iowa, other things matter too, in particular since agriculture at that point sometimes had had some rough spots. That sort of, I think has changed somewhat. Research, science, facts in general, do not have the same kind of generally accepted meaning that they had 35 years ago. And I see that in my time when I have lived here at Iowa State, that indeed the willingness to support the universities has decreased among state decision makers substantially. All you have to do is look at the funding, but not only look at the funding, look at other issues where more and more, what shall I say, restrictive prescriptions I made to the universities what they have to be doing. And it seems that the value, not the value of research, the value of science, and the necessity to do it with a long-term goal, that understanding has somewhat diminished.\r\n\r\n- And so how then has the role or the duties of an administrator, how have they changed or evolved given this new situation?\r\n\r\n- So for the research administrators, that means you have to push harder, right? If it's more difficult, what do you do? Either you give up on your job or you push harder. But you push harder within the university itself. And so the top administration of the university above the vice-president for research, that top administration has to balance, try to balance these two things. Do research on the one hand so that you actually remain among the top universities in the country. But on the other hand, do it in such a way that you still get some support and some nod from those who make decisions in the state of Iowa. When I said last time, and I would still say that, a conservative administration, you have to see that they really don't have that many options. They are conservative with respect to research, but certainly because they are themselves, in some sense between the rock and a hard place. Their budget goes down. They're not allowed to increase tuition to the extent that it would really fully fund even the education part of the university. And so that the rest of, or some of the rest of it could be used for research, not even that is possible. And so what you see then is administrations that struggle to keep the quality going. And so what you do is you, you know, try to convince that this is a good thing to do. And once in a while it works out perfectly for me. When I got into the VPR so the Vice-President for Research Office for the second time, what happened was that there was just started the President's initiatives for research, which again was similar to what we did in the early 2000s. Then we let the faculty ideas bubble up and become something big and something important. It was wonderful that there was still possible, in 2014, 2015, 2016, it was really. One has to congratulate the administration for actually doing it and what came out of it were very, really very good, good research projects that now had external funding. And so they'd fund themselves in the sense that they really are now making propaganda for Iowa State, attracting excellent faculty, and many of those are basically, or almost basically funding themselves. In other words, that money was well-invested. If you have not worked out, that's the way it always goes.\r\n\r\n- Were there any initiatives or projects that you wish could have taken off, but for whatever reason, just didn't?\r\n\r\n- [Wolfgang] Hello?\r\n\r\n- Yes. Sorry about that.\r\n\r\n- Well, it could have been my connection, too. Who knows?\r\n\r\n- Okay, I think I switched, so... I'll start again and ask that question again, cause I think just after I finished.\r\n\r\n- Now you're gone again.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Okay. Can you hear me?\r\n\r\n- I can hear you. I cannot see you. I can see a photo of yours, yes, okay.\r\n\r\n- Okay, I'm gonna turn my video off. Maybe that will help.\r\n\r\n- Okay. Yeah. I checked my connection. My connection seems to be fine.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Okay, all right. So let's start that again. So I just asked if there were any initiatives or projects that you were particularly keen or a champion of that just never quite took off for a variety of reasons.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, one comes to mind, probably to many people in the university, something we have had problems with for quite a while, which is big data. Big data as you know, has become area of research, but also an area of application for many companies, for many nonprofits, for government entities, and so on, being able to make sense of large amounts of data that we get. Those who are best at this are some of the internet companies and they use that extensively. But of course our job as yours would be number one, to do research and number two, to make sure that this kind of technology does become available not only to the big internet companies, but does become available to Iowa companies, and to NGOs and to government and so on. Iowa State has a history in understanding data that is a convincing history through the statistics department, through the statistical laboratory and through others. And so one thing we tried to do during the time I was in the VPR office for the second time was to build an initiative around big data that would be big enough to support something like a big data or data science institute at Iowa State. We succeeded in smaller initiatives. One is agriculture that is really digital agriculture, which has really taken off and is doing wonderfully well. One is work with the Midwest Big Data Hub. We have had a few others. But to fold this together into an institute, a big data institute that would allow us to communicate with companies. We have lots of connections with companies. We were the co-founder of the Midwest Big Data, sort of a meeting of companies that happens every month in Des Moines. And we sort of started that together with the one company in Des Moines and another company here in Ames. But all of these things never gelled together. You know, they never came together for a data science or big data institute at Iowa State. So that's the one thing I really regret that somehow we didn't get it done.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Do you think it'll happen in the future?\r\n\r\n- It could be. It should be. We are behind the bar now. Unfortunately, others are way ahead of us, and we had these really good, good conditions to make this happen. It is still necessary. These days, things have changed a little bit again. Artificial intelligence, which mostly is the idea of algorithms applied to big data, that has become more important and in some sense more independent, so we will see whether this combination of big data, artificial intelligence, again for which Iowa State would be a wonderful place to have that. What we got done mostly through the help of parts of liberal arts and sciences is the education part of it, but we never get to this research and outreach part done.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Aside from the administrative positions, what were some of the university committees you felt were most significant that you served on?\r\n\r\n- Hmm, well, one of the university committees that are one group of committees that's really important is awards for faculty. Because what you have is you have this large number of very competent and really hard working, many, many hours working with very wonderful ideas. Faculty, and the faculty do get some reward for what they do in terms of funding and so on. But mostly the reward for faculty really is in terms of awards, in terms of prizes, in terms of things they get externally and internally. And so one of the most important things that I was able to be part of was making these committees make good decisions with respect to awards and prizes and so on. So I think that's one thing I think was very important. And then let me switch another area, which I also think is extremely important, but completely different, which is diversity and inclusion. Now, the mathematics department had worked on that. We talked about that a little bit last time. Had worked on this for many, many years. And the university itself started a committee before we had a Vice-President for Diversity and Inclusion, started committee to look into these things. And I was a member of the committee when it first started out. And I think that was and that is very, very important or particular in a state like Iowa with so many kids with wonderful minds and wonderful chances, possibly, may not find themselves with all the opportunities that they could need to make the best of their lives. And so helping kids to understand what we can do for them, how the universities can help them, how they can make their lives better, and the lives of the other generations better. That I think is really something very important. Iowa State has been a leader, particular mathematics departments and other departments to have been leaders in this. And I think that's very important, particular in a state that looks so uniform like the state of Iowa, but really isn't. You have all these differences between country and city, between people that grew up in different situation and circumstances and making them aware of the real opportunities that may be available to them to fulfill their aspirations, or aspirations they're not even dreaming of. That's a very important thing to do.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] What professional organizations or collaborations beyond ISC were important to you and to your work?\r\n\r\n- Well, this depends now on which area of work we talk about. When you talk about mathematics, what I think is important as always in academics is the national and international organizations that represent your area of research. And in mathematics, there are several of those. There is the AMS, the American Mathematical Society, their science side of it, industrial and applied mathematics. There is MAA, the Mathematics Association of America. There's others that are close. IEEE, we talked about that before, for instance. Engineering society has good connections to mathematics in some of the areas that I work, and so on. And so I've worked as an officer for IEEE for AMS. And I have worked substantially with MAA in the state, particular when it comes to education, to the issues that are important to the mathematics department. And I was a member of the control group in Siam for, yeah, all my life, basically. So being part of this network is a very important and substantial thing. And as I said, I tried to do this as a member and as an officer for two of these organizations.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] All right, so let's switch gears and circle back a little bit to teaching. So you talked a little bit about being thrown into the water, teaching students right away. But looking back, what would you say your approach to teaching was and how did it evolve over the years?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, we talked about that already a little bit. It really has evolved through industry. When I came, I had no idea what I was doing and what I was supposed to be doing. And I really had to learn this. And of course, you also have to understand that the German high school system is a little different from the American high school system in the sense, number one, it's one year longer, or it was one year longer back then. I knew it when I was a student myself. And number two the high school system in Germany was, and to some extent still is, highly selective, which means there are three parallel towers on which people go through school. And the high school we are talking about here that leads to preparation for the university is a relativity, or back then was a relatively small number of people, less than 50%. The American system is on purpose very differently, but it also means that you got more, what shall I say, uniformly prepared group of students in the German system than you get in the American system because it is so much broader. And so I had to learn this. I had to learn how to deal with the students in the sense of having a group of students in a classroom that were very divergent, very different in their backgrounds, very different in the interests. In Germany for instance, you don't teach at the university mathematics to students who are not in STEM fields. Here, we do this all the time. We teach mathematics for historians, for poets, for all. You know, basically everybody has to take mathematics when they come to Iowa State University, unless they have opted out. I mean, in other words, satisfied some requirements before that. Very different from the German system. So I had to learn all these things. And what I mostly learned is in all of this, I think this is what most people learn, it is extremely important to pick up the students where they are when they come to you, not assume that they know or want something that you just assume because you think that's the best thing to do. They come from different backgrounds. You have to find them where they are, to pick them up where they are, look at the goal for this semester, and see how you can get all of them or as many as possible to approach that goal for the semester. In other words, no two semesters are ever the same. You teach the same course, can be very different.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] In your experience, how have students in their preparedness, you know, changed or evolved? So you mentioned having to pick up where they are. So in terms of their preparedness, how has that changed or evolved over the years?\r\n\r\n- Yes, students in high school today are exposed to a broader range of issues than they were 30 years ago. Mathematics, this is very clear that if you look at the Iowa core which we are teaching, what, for 10 years or so now, almost 10 years now, that is a much broader idea, that has a much broader idea of mathematics, of high school mathematics, than we had before. In particular, mathematical thinking, areas like, you know, other areas of geometry, more applications, more modeling, more if possible, dealing with statistics and data. So students learn a broader area than they ever did before. And what that also means is that they may not have the same depth in some areas that they had before because they know different areas now. But it could also be that students have concentrated on one of these many offerings that are out there in high school. They have concentrated on one of these things and not so much on others. And so are they better prepared? That, you know is, I don't think so. They are better prepared today? I don't think they are worse prepared. They are differently prepared, and they are prepared in a more diverse way. That again is where you have to pick them up where they are, where that comes in. Students are just, you know, faced with a huge load of information. We expect them to make some of their own decisions on how to get through this. And it reflects in when you meet them. They're often very interesting people. But when it comes to dividing sign X by X, they may not do the right thing, because that was not very high on their list of priorities. They may understand it within two seconds if you explain it, but may not know it when they come to you.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] What course did you enjoy teaching most and why?\r\n\r\n- Oh that's difficult. I have no idea. I have no idea. I've taught so many courses for different reasons. I've have taught very introductory courses to do it myself, to see how it works. And when we started the remodeling of courses, and when we start lots of reform 10 years ago in the department, I taught some of these courses myself. I wanted to know how does it work? What's going on there? And then I taught... Some of this is like statistics for poets. I taught Statistics 101 just to see how that goes. And the parallel course, Math 105, in some sense, a parallel course in mathematics. Are you still around? Hello? Yeah.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Do you hear me?\r\n\r\n- Yes, I can hear you.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] All right, I'm gonna try it with the phone. My computer is just--\r\n\r\n- Your computer, yeah, I checked again. My connection, mine seems to be fine.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Okay. So let's see here. Trying to figure out how to record on this little screen.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Okay, there we go. I think we're back on. So you're talking about some of the courses that you were teaching, including some of the intro courses.\r\n\r\n- Yep. Yep. I think I was saying that I taught everything from the very introductory courses at the 100 level to the standard that every mathematics faculty teaches, which is calculus for instance, and things like this, to graduate courses or graduate students in mathematics, statistics and engineering. What did I enjoy most? You enjoy most where you have massive interaction with your students, right? This is why you teach. There's no other reason to teach but having interaction with students and make sure they're together at the end of the semester. You know more than you did when you came in. And so most interacting with your students generally you have in graduate courses, because there is a joint interest in the topic that you sort of have professional interest in that topic that makes it a little easier. So probably the funnest courses to teach may have been in some of these graduate courses. You're also seeing enthusiasm of students pop up in situations where you don't expect it. I've had that in, for instance, Math 150 which is first semester of mathematics for business students. And when I sometimes, and what I often do in courses like that, is that I bring in a lot of practical things, newspapers and other things, general pie charts and graphs and numbers, and try to find some mathematics that explains what's going on. And if the group of students in front of you is not too large, in other words, not in the hundreds, then you often have surprise interaction with these students and it can be very, very good and very, very rewarding.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] And what is your approach to working with grad students?\r\n\r\n- Well, you know, brilliant students basically fall into two categories, right, at least mine did. There are these that make more money than I do now, and these that make less money than I do. What I mean by that is those that were interested in an industry career, those that were interested in academic career. The academic career, of course, are the ones that make less money than I did. And all the industry ones make more money than I do. And so this is basically the two shades. We at Iowa State get a good number of both of them. And so teaching and interacting with graduate students for me always means teaching them mathematical principles and how that works. But at the same time, keeping in mind that these mathematical principles have a meaning, and they have a use beyond just the narrow area in which we tend to learn them in grad school. And so what I tend to do when it comes to graduate courses, bring in other areas of mathematics to analyze similar things, and look at applications of some other things we do when that is possible. And so while the mathematical principles are in the center, what's around it? Then the other mathematics and applications also plays a great role for me. So that's sort of my approach, so that maybe that is why about a half of my grad students, of my PhD students did go to industry and make, as I said, substantial amounts of money these days.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] So we've talked a bit about the importance of research for faculty here at Iowa State and everywhere. Let's talk a little bit about maybe some of the most significant developments in the field and then how your research was impacted or evolved over the years.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so when you look at the research field of mathematics, what has happened over the last years since I got into that area really is that we understand better how mathematics fits together. When I was a student, there was this, and before that, there was this attempt to put mathematics on a really solid basis, on a fundamental structure on which it could survive for hundreds of years or something like that. That was a very, very important step in mathematics, the fundamentals, making them clear and understanding what is what, what's doing what, what exactly are the conditions for what. And people became very picky in that. And that was very, very good. It really elevated the science of mathematics, the research in mathematics quite a bit from, \"Well, don't you see how this works?\" There was groups of French mathematicians that were leading their groups of American mathematicians that were very important on this. I found that fascinating when I was a student and I thought, \"I wanna be part of this.\" What we have done since, we as mathematicians really is push further in these individual directions, but also put a layer of joint understanding on areas in mathematics that we wouldn't have thought about when I was a student. Let me give you an example. I have a colleague here at Iowa State University, Leslie Hogben, who was chosen to be, by the community to be the editor of the \"Handbook of Linear Algebra.\" Linear algebra is one of these old areas in mathematics that have existed for many, many years. End goal of linear algebra was supposed to deal with what? Linear spaces and linear operators, and if the spaces were fine or dimensional, the operators were matrices, and so many people identify linear algebra with matrix theory or something like that. That's an old thing. But now go and look at the Handbook of Linear Algebra. More than half of the articles in that Handbook of Linear Algebra have to do with linear algebra, and the rest of mathematics, linear algebra and what it's good for. And so that reflects some of the different understanding that the Handbook of Linear Algebra these days should not only have matrices in it, but all these other things. And through much research that people did, through much of the interest that developed over the last 30 years or so, It now is possible to have such a handbook that reflects the state of an area in mathematics where half of it talks about connections to the rest of mathematics and the rest of the world. That is just fantastic. And this is where we are not all, but a substantial amount of mathematical thought has gone over the last years.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Were there any particular moments of inspiration or discovery that guided or impacted your work? Any aha moments?\r\n\r\n- My work you mean?\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, yeah, yeah. What guided my work was sort of two insights that I was, you know, part of or made to understand very early in my life. One of them was that mathematics is something for the masses. In other words, if you do mathematics just for yourself, it is like the tree that falls in a forest and nobody hears and sees it. Did it really fall? And so mathematics happens, or should happen in a mathematical and beyond context. And the way I learned that, for instance, was when I realized that when I was giving talks in mathematics, that there were a substantial number of non-mathematicians in the audience. And the reason for that was, I hope, that I had something meaningful that actually helped them out. It helped me, as I said, and I taught a course on dynamical systems at Iowa State around 1990. So fairly early on in my career at Iowa State, there are two faculty from electrical engineering showed up and said, \"We wanna listen to what you have to say. This may be useful.\" And so these kind of experiences makes you look for the use of things that you do. It has sort of, to the very day, sort of twisted the way I do mathematics. What is of interest to me, to me personally, is not so much how can we improve a little bit on something that, you know, it may be extremely important, but it doesn't excite me so much. What excites me is for mathematics to show how it relates to the rest of the world. Yeah, that's basically it.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] So what kind of debates in your field do you think your work was intervening in?\r\n\r\n- What debates?\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Yeah.\r\n\r\n- For instance, one thing where we clearly had an impact is the design instability of electric power systems. That really has changed because of the work I did with these engineers, and these days we do the same thing again, to some extent, at least in the Chilean power system, where we are analyzing how that system could be put on a more stable and more sustainable basis. That's clearly is something where our way has helped in general to improve situations that without mathematics would not have been possible.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] So what types of funding support for your research or for the department and generally were available and how did those sources evolve over time?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, that's a very good question. So at the beginning, when I came to Iowa State, there was a small group that worked with the Ames Lab. In other words, it was funded through sources that were available to the Ames Lab, which is basically the Department of Energy. And there was very little funding in the rest of the department in those days. The funding that there was came from from the college. What happened is, I don't know whether you remember, no, probably not. So in the beginning, about what, 30, 40 years ago, every college had a research institute that was associated with it. So there was the structure, how research was supported and sort of funded in the colleges, that each college had a research institute. And the Dean made decision where you could apply to get money from the research institute. There was generally smaller, very small amounts of money, but anyway, and the Dean then made a decision of where that money would go. And LAS, in those days when LAS wasn't called LAS, that was the SHRID, Science and Humanities Research Institute. And so in the beginning, this is where you would get some funding, like a little summer money or a little equipment that you needed, and things like this, at least in mathematics. In some areas, there was already more substantial research funding developed. Remember in the mid-50s, the United States made as consequence mostly of the Sputnik shock, made a substantial effort to increase research in the universities, and the federal government decided that was back then. Federal government decided that it would fund federal use for research in the universities. And that's when things like NSF started, and then other programs. And basically every department of the federal government has a research fund, including the Department of Defense and Energy and many other. Even Department of Congress has a research fund. And so some of this money that was available, really available started growing from the beginning of the 60s, at the time I came here, 20 years later had infiltrated, if you want to, some areas more than others. Particularly it had infiltrated some of engineering. It was a little bit in the sciences, in the natural sciences, and so on. But really not that much. So each university and their colleges had these research institutes to fund things where the federal funding had not developed to a point where it was a major driver of research. And so that was the situation when I came here, which means in the early 80s. And so what happened in mathematics then that there was some money through this group in the Ames Lab in connection with the Iowa Department of Energy. They were interested very, very specific mathematics research, I mean, that fit the mission of the Ames Lab. And so that worked for some people in the department, but it did not work for me because my area of mathematics is not closely related to what the Department of Energy and the Ames Lab were interested in those days. And so I developed my own connections in the NSF, National Science Foundation. And back then with the Department of Defense, particular with the Navy about what they might be interested in, in what I was doing. And so the first funding, external funding, that I got were from ONR, Office of Naval Research. so from the Navy and from NSF.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Were there any specific technological innovations that influenced your research?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so the Navy was fairly concrete funding, and that funding was for identifying multiple flying objects. So the idea was that if you saw a flying object somewhere, and you follow it with radar or whatever else, you know you sometimes lose track of it because of the radar situation, because somebody else crosses it, you know, and two things look like they are together for a while, and then they split up again and things like this. But single tracks, the Navy had pretty good idea of what to do in the late 80s. For multiple tracking, they did not. And so they started a project on multiple tracking and that kind of... That was simply because they, what we were afraid of back then, I mean this is military use. We were afraid back then that there would not just be one missile shot at the United States, but several at the same time. And then we would not be able to identify all of them, and then some would make it through. So even if half of them would get lost somewhere or shot down, some of them may make it through because it would be a problem for us to actually follow the missiles in such an attack. And so we worked on this problem for a while, and it turned out that our mathematical theories actually had something to contribute to that.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Was this eventually the Star Wars Program?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, this entire program, this was a multi-faceted program. One of them was indeed the Star Wars Program. Maybe the idea to shoot things down before they come. But then if you don't see something, you can shoot it down but you don't know how to aim. And so this project that the Navy back then funded really was keeping track of all the things in the sky that may be a problem. And that is not as frugal as it sounds. And so we did some work together with some statisticians, because of course it's a data issue, but it's also dynamics issue. This is where I come in. It's a numerics issue, namely, can you follow these tracks fast enough on the computer so that you still know where the track is? And so we had a combination of numerics people, mathematics people, statisticians and engineer, who were working out this issue. It was a very good collaboration and good work, and good students came out of it.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] As you look back over your body of work, do you feel like there was an overarching theme or some particular question that guided your work?\r\n\r\n- Not an applied question, but mathematics in the sense if you want to, that guide what I do was always the question of what more can I do in mathematics? That's the research question. But also what I've done in mathematics, where does it connect with other things inside of mathematics and outside of mathematics? And so in that sense, yeah, that was always sort of the overarching question for me going forward in mathematics.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Of the books and articles you've published, which are you most proud of and why?\r\n\r\n- That's an interesting question. So maybe there's three areas that I'm most proud of. One area is probably best exemplified through this book that we wrote, \"The Dynamics of Control.\" And I'm proud of it because it allowed my co-author, Fritz Colonius, and myself to start with some very obvious questions in the applications of mathematics, namely control theory, and from there go on to some very theoretical mathematical questions that needed to be answered before one could answer this very applied question. In some sense, I'm proud of that because it shows that deep mathematics sometimes needs to be developed in order to solve some issues that can be described easily to lots of people. But the solution really takes going back and... We noticed we had no idea actually, what happened to that problem, the dynamics of control, the spectral problem within the dynamics of control that Fritz and I said in a bar in Minneapolis at the Institute of Mathematics and its applications one evening, and we solved that problem. And when we woke up the next morning, what we had thought was the solution was all wrong. And so we worked on it for the next 10 years only to notice that this actually was a problem that went back more than a hundred years and lots of people had worked on it. No solution was available. So we traveled the globe talking to people who had thought about it, who had worked on it Little by little, I think, understood the problem well enough to make some contributions to it. And it is still not completely solved, but it is mostly solved. It is solved enough so that it can be used. I think that's a good example of how these things sometimes go. The question of a good spectral theory was Q-product flows, I think is answered now through this book. So that's number one. Number two that I'm sort of proud of is this work with the engineers that I talked about before that has led to many utilities in the United States adopting our approach to design and stability of large electric power systems. Now, the mathematics was not the most complicated. It was not of the same type as what I described before. But without understanding this specific area in mathematics, it would never have happened. So it was a real collaboration. And fortunately the collaborators in electrical engineering were able to convince, not only IEEE but many utilities to give this a try and it has worked out very well. So that's very good. And the third area again is this time not about the nonlinear dynamics of power systems, but about the randomness particular power systems that use substantially alternative energies and sources of alternative energies for production, and to feed into the net that leads to many random issues that disturb the dynamics of a system, and so how to look at that, how to model it, and so on. This is the work we have done lately in collaboration with the Chilean engineers. I think I'm very proud of that because I think it'll lead to a much better use of alternative energies and integration of alternative energies than will be possible otherwise.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] You saw the number of visiting positions in Europe and South America. What did you enjoy about those positions, and how did those experiences compare with working at Iowa State?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, that's a good one. You go on a visiting position to work with other people, but also to just, you know there is a culture to doing mathematics and it depends on the place. It depends on the community. It depends on the country where you're in. Mathematics is maybe the most international of all languages that we speak, right?\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Um hm. Um hm.\r\n\r\n- Because no matter where you go, people would speak mathematics. And so in that sense, the quantitative language, which is mathematics, is much more international than the qualitative languages that we have that fall into so many different categories like English and German and Chinese, and whatever else comes to your mind. And so mathematics is the, probably, not probably, certainly the most international of languages, but it has its cultural under and overtones in many areas at certain universities, at certain countries and so on. And so getting back to the visiting question, the issue is that, although you speak the same language, so it is fairly easy to hop off the plane and land in, I'm making this up, Sao Paolo, and work with somebody on a problem and write a paper. In many other areas, that's very difficult to do. In mathematics, yeah, you can do that because you do speak the same language, but the way things are done is different. And I've always enjoyed learning about how others do it and maybe bring an idea or two back to what one can do around here. It certainly has helped me understand much better where people are coming from, why people do things, and how to support in particular students in what they do.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Did you ever do any consulting work for outside firms?\r\n\r\n- No, I've never done that. I have avoided that. Actually, yeah, in the sense that, well, okay. I have some papers together with people, with authors, co-authors who are not in academia, but work for industry. So in that sense, and they all came out of consulting jobs. But at the end, it all boils down to the mathematics. And so I have not done any consulting that is really specifically solving problems in a given company.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Were there any lasting effects, connections, or encounters from any of your faculty improvement leave?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, faculty improvement leaves are a part of what I described before, learning and understanding how mathematics and academics in general works in other places in the world. So my main faculty improvement leaves, at least the last ones, were all in South America. I went to those places for basically two reasons. Number one, I needed to satisfy my happiness to be in a big city, because Ames is really too, let's face it, it's not that big. And so once in a while, I need a dose of a big city so that I can enjoy Ames and being here again for a long time. So that's one thing. And the other reason to go on a faculty improvement leave is because you know there's people there you can work with and doing it in a cultural environment that's different than your own actually helps you understand your own environment so much better.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] All right, so let's reflect a little bit on your time here at Iowa State. Were there any events at Iowa State that you experienced that you think were especially significant?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, the first big event for me, very personal experience at Iowa State that really made me understand this entire place and the state and everything else so much better was when I went to the first football game of my life. Football is something very, not only is football something very American, but the way it's done in the college setting is something very American. You cannot understand academics in the United States, I think, without having some glimpse, some idea of how, you know, in the collegiate sports workout.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Yeah.\r\n\r\n- And so one of my colleagues said, \"You have to go to a football game,\" and I said, \"I don't wanna see people beating each other up.\" He says, \"It's not about that. It's about something else, come with me.\" And so we did, we did. I went and it really helped me, to be honest it really helped me understand a lot what university, what alma mater, what connection means in the culture. And it's something very interesting and very deep, and for many people very, very satisfying, you know? One has to understand and one has to learn that if one wants to really live in this land. So that was certainly one thing that really. The other one was organizing conferences in Ames. I think there was, this was a big thing. I did this in my own area. I helped in other areas. We organized a conference of the American Math Society, a regional conference here. We organized one of the key control conferences here in Ames. That is, that really is, these are events where you can showcase your department, your university, and things that you do. People know about you, people know about your work. But when they come here, they learn in a different way what it's all about, and I was always very happy and very proud of doing that.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] What would you say are the most significant changes ISU has experienced, and how do you feel about those changes?\r\n\r\n- Oh yeah.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Um hm.\r\n\r\n- I think the most significant change that I've seen is the gradual inclusion of high-level research in the everyday activities at Iowa State. In other words, that research has reached so much farther into the university when at the beginning, it was in a few very select areas, that it reached so much further and has become sort of a defining moment as a AAU university, what we are. That really was not the case in the early 80s when I came here. And I appreciate it. I think this is what the name, what is a good reflection of what the name university universal, actually says. And I think Iowa State has made substantial progress in that area. The point is when you make progress in that area, as I said before, you have to make sure that those who make decisions in the state are still with you. And that tension is of course something that I'm a little worried about.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] A related question. How does ISU differ from other universities and peer institutions, and what do you think are the reasons for those differences?\r\n\r\n- Well, there is a group of universities that are somewhat similar to Iowa State in different states, in many states of the country. And these other technology universities, which is what we are. These are the universities that are in some sense more practical that are also looking out, or getting science with applications that are looking out for producing the next generation of good engineers, of designers, of things like that. So there's a group of them. We are not the only university with that goal. We may be better at this than many others, but we are not the only one. Basically, if you look around the country, we are a mini-MIT, a mini-Georgia Tech, and mini-something-like-that comparable to NC State, comparable to Missouri Rolla, comparable to a few other places like that. We do maybe sometimes fall short in developing all aspects of a young person's mind. No, we are not a university that emphasizes the arts very much. We are not a university that emphasizes humanities very much. We are not a university that does two things that are extremely important, which is the law and which is medicine. We don't do any of those two. And so there, we do have substantial gaps. But you know, still, I think it's a pretty... It's a university that pretty much includes everything that is necessary to educate a young person, just not as strong in some areas. So are there other universities? Yes. There are universities that are much more interested in developing a student's mind of critical thinking, a student's mind of the arts, a student mind of history and the law and things like this. We don't do it. It's not that we're not particularly... We are not just not good at it. We just don't do it. University of Iowa has a very different profile then Iowa State does because it does have these two areas represents in the state both at law and medicine, which we don't. On the other hand, it also represents more often not of humanities and all the histories and so on than we do and in different ways. Is it good where we are? I think one has to have this sort of not one-size-fits-all for universities. One has to have universities with different emphases, and in the emphasis that Iowa State has picked for itself, we are doing quite okay. I often wish the humanities would play a bigger role on campus. But you, I guess can't have it all, all the time.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] What places at Iowa State are especially meaningful to you and why?\r\n\r\n- Places, you mean physical places?\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Yep.\r\n\r\n- That's a good question. I need to pass on that one.\r\n\r\n- I don't know if there's physical places on campus and I actually--\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Where do you go to be inspired or to, you know, break deadlock, or how do you, how do you, where do you come up with the ideas?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, yeah. That's a good question. I just described that to an old colleague of mine the other day. I get more ideas walking with my dogs than any other way, I think. It is just so relaxing. I have two dogs now, two terriers. I put them in the car and we drive out to a park or a lake or whatever else, and we go for a walk. They enjoy it, and I get a time to think, to relax, and to do something that otherwise is difficult to do.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] I wish my dogs were peaceful for me to think. I'm mostly managing them.\r\n\r\n- Well, my two terriers are monsters, you know.\r\n\r\n- They like to walk with me. And so as long as we walk, they behave because they like it. One needs to create sort of one's own area where you can be yourself, and where you can think, and where you can have ideas and all kinds of things. For me, I think just wondering around where these two kiddos is, is what works.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Of the various awards and honors you've received over the years, is there one that's more meaningful and why?\r\n\r\n- Like all other people, I appreciate them all, I do. But if I have to emphasize one of them without disappointing my Iowa State colleagues, I think it was the award I got from the ICTM, the Iowa Council of Teachers of Mathematics, because they thought I got that award shortly before I stepped down as chair of the math department. I got that award, not really for myself, but for the department, because the department during the time when I was chair understood that it was important to help students, teachers, parents in the state to make mathematics more accessible, that we succeeded in doing that, that we brought mathematics closer to students and not only students, but parents, teachers and so on, all the effort that the department put into that. The teachers agreed with that. I think that meant a lot to me.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] So now, reflecting outside of your career, what interests outside of your field are most significant to you?\r\n\r\n- Interests outside of mathematics. I have given up on some of my interests while doing mathematics and I may revive them now. Part of that is reading, for instance. Part of that was doing music, which I had to give up. My hands may not be able to do that anymore. We will see. So both of that, reading and amusing yourself was always an important piece of my life. And the other thing of course is faculty, family, sorry.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Um hm.\r\n\r\n- Is family. Particular when you're far away from your family for many, many years, and see them only once in a while, you realize whether it's important for you or not. And I realized it is, indeed, important to me. So in retirement, one of the things we will do, because it's important to both of us, we will spend some more time with our respective families.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] We'll pick up on that a little bit. Talk a little bit more about your family. You've talked already a little bit about your wife. But what is it like to be two high-profile academics? What does that relationship look like?\r\n\r\n- The good thing is you understand each other, you know, in this end. My wife's a statistician and so she knows how to add two numbers, so that's useful. So we have little, little tension. However, we wrote a few papers together, That actually, to be honest, it worked surprisingly well because we each have our strength, and she does her part and I do my part, at least I try to. Usually it has worked out. It has worked out okay. So this relationship is a very supportive one. We don't have children, and so the support goes to the two of us, to our friends and to the dogs. And so that has worked out quite well for us. I think what is good that we understand that academic life for weeks in a row can be just absolutely terrible. It requires 14, 16 hours a day if you really are after an idea that still hasn't quite made it into your head yet. And so there are these times when you work like it's really crazy. But then there are these days where you really need to relax and reflect on things and see that something new comes to your mind, something that you know you cannot get by pushing it very hard, but that you can get, maybe can get by letting it come to you. So academics are weird people. And having two of them in the same family, I think if you do it right, it's more of a supportive situation than of a tricky situation.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] So how would you say then your personal and family life impacted each other, or I'm sorry, impacted your ISU career?\r\n\r\n- Okay. Yeah. What it did is it gave each of us the opportunity to really concentrate on pieces of our careers whenever it was really necessary. We do have now, as you know, many ways in place in which we support young faculty when they try to build a family, when they try to come to grips with what it means to be an academic and do something else. These support structures are extremely important, but that they are important, necessary, shows that it's not always trivial. You really have to work on this. And in our case, since we are both in the same business, it was a little bit easier, I think, to get through this. These days, and again, I think it is very important that we help particularly young people to navigate this jungle of academics.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] And so what advice do you have, or would you have for young faculty or for young administrators?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, for young faculty, what you need of course is a love for exploration. If you don't have that, if you don't wanna explore new things, then faculty may not be a good job for you. because Iowa State is a university that takes the research very serious, takes the teaching very serious, so you really have to be interested in new stuff. But not only interested in new stuff, but you have to figure out whether this actually is something that makes you a happy person. And to be honest, unless you're get into a faculty position or at least a postdoc position, you usually don't know. Even in grad school, it's very difficult to know whether this is a good job for you. And so my main advice is if you feel that you might want to go into an area of research and teaching at a university, take your probationary years, five, six years, take that very serious. Try to find out whether this will make you a happy person for the next 20 or 30 years. As I said, that is something that is not obvious. Grad school is not a preview of being in the academy as a professional.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] What recommendations will you have for the current administration dealing with the political climate and the limited budgets, declining budgets and the, let's say lack then, lack of concern for research or for traditional concerns, anyways in terms of the political climate at the moment.\r\n\r\n- That's of course a very tricky question. If I knew, I would probably do it.\r\n\r\n- A few ideas I think are fairly obvious. Universities are a resource for a country, right? They are a resource for the young people in the country. And that is a good thing to understand, that universities are a resource for the young people in the country so that after their first, whatever it is, 25 years or so, that they can actually enter a fulfilling life. But universities are not just a resource for the young people. They are actually a resource for everything we do in a country, and for all the expressions of living together in a place like the United States. What that means is you cannot be successful without knowing what's going on. In other words, without valuing facts and truth and knowledge. The first job of a university is creation of knowledge, of new knowledge, right? It's not just spreading the knowledge that you have among more people, but creation of new knowledge. So for university to defend that, to make sure that a state like Iowa understands that the creation of new knowledge is really a key issue in continuing a successful, plentiful and mostly pleasant life, that is really very important. We may sometimes, we means academics, maybe administration . We may sometimes play that down a little bit because the other things are easier to understand. The other things, I mean, helping a company or helping a 20-year-old student. They're easier to understand because it's direct, much more direct. But being easier to understand does not mean that it's the more important thing. Things that are more difficult to understand may be the more important things that a university does. Giving up because it's difficult to explain does not make things any better and make things happen. In other words, I would probably be more aggressive in working with the state and the decision makers in the state on understanding that the future of the state, of a state like Iowa, depends on many things. But one thing it sure depends on is that the universities can create knowledge that we need to live with the things as they come up in the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years, and so on.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] What trends or future developments in mathematics excites you?\r\n\r\n- Oh, what excites me in mathematics? Oh yeah. Oh, there is so much that is still exciting. It always sounds like mathematics has resolved all the issues, but of course we haven't. There is the great inner mathematical mysteries of which we still have many. Some conjectures that are totally exciting, have never been proven, may be totally useless. That we cannot do it, that we don't understand it, that is just so annoying. So there's many, many good open problems in mathematics itself that we as mathematicians would like to look at and people do. Every 10 or 20 years, mathematicians get together to look at the most important problems that there are, right? And they write them down, and then it turns out that one or two gets solved in the next 10 or 20 years, but the others don't. And so there are these beautiful, wonderful problems that one needs to look at. If a country, if a society has the resources to pay people to think about this, no matter whether it's useful or not in any other sense, that is just the right thing to do, because it is mind-boggling that these things are still not resolved. And so there is a lot of problems related to my own work, as I just said, that are still not resolved, and it would be absolutely wonderful to be able to pay somebody or a group of people and encourage them to do this. But the other thing in mathematics, which is very important, as I said, mathematics is the language of structures, and to push that aspect a little further, in other words, to push more mathematic understanding and insight onto more people, I think is very important. So mathematics really grows not only from the inside, from itself and the important questions that it answers, but it grows as much from sharing these insights, more people who can then use it to understand their own surroundings, what happens around them, what happens with them, and that we aren't even close to that. Although getting back to something very concrete, I think the Iowa core and the mathematics part of the Iowa core does a pretty good job of looking at some of that direction in high schools. We at the university probably haven't picked it up enough yet. We need to do this. We need to make more people being able to use quantitative thinking and quantitative understanding to make sense of the world around them.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] How do you see artificial intelligence, machine learning, deep learning impacting or improving the field?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, artificial intelligence, there's a billion definitions of that, right?\r\n\r\n- So let's first see what we mean by it. There was already a push for artificial intelligence, remember in the 90s or so? And that has sort of gone a little bit by the wayside. Artificial intelligence, this word has come up again more lately, and it most often is meant now to describe algorithmic approaches to decision-making using big data, right? That's mostly what it is these days. And so it puts it squarely in the middle between computation, between understanding data, and decision-making. In other words, often that means optimization and things like this. And so this is where AI is most often these days. It will make all our lives a lot better if we do it right, obviously, because what that means is that many of the pieces of information that we have will not just fall by the wayside by to be used to guide our decision-making. That would be great. The problem is that if you use basically AI or big data algorithms and so on, you need to be extremely careful in what you build into them. Artificial intelligence is of course, a very bad word, because there is no artificial and no intelligence there. What there is, is a manmade think that helps us understand things, and based on that, based on this understanding, make decisions. But since it's a manmade thing, we made it, or some of us made it, and what they made into it, that is not always transparent to all of us, to the others. And often not even transparent to the guys who actually did it, because there may be unintended consequences. And so what happens in artificial intelligence and in this big data algorithms very often is that you do your very best to construct a new piece of AI, a new piece of data algorithm, and it does something that, with existing data, it does something that you did not expect it to do. So that discussion often goes under the header of the ethical algorithm and things like that, as if algorithms could be ethical. No, of course they are not, but the people are. And one of the things, the people that construct them. And so one of the things that people have to do is really make sure that the algorithms capture what they want them to capture, and that they are open about what they want, and that they're open about these algorithms. And so the worst pieces of AI are those that the people who designed it don't understand themselves. And the worst pieces of AI are those where people who design it will not tell anybody else what's in it so that people cannot understand what they are really doing these algorithms. And so what that means is that, for instance, I'm... So there's this book called \"The Ethical Algorithm\" by two guys at Penn who I think capture some of these things very nicely. They did a pretty good job. It's a book, that's what, two or three years old now. But they described sort of the basic basics. This will develop, this entire area of power, will develop more in the future. But the basic problem is still the same. I think there should be no public funding, for instance, in any kind of AI or algorithm that cannot be divulged publicly. What we need to do is we need to make sure that those who can understand these algorithms can actually critique these algorithms because it is not... The problem, if everything worked, Dan, if everything was like it first seems to be, you don't have a problem. If you choose to look at something for an hour, or a day, or a week, and you understand it completely, then you don't need science. Then the only thing you need is time to look at something. Unfortunately that is not the case. Many issues with even the world around us come up, not after you have looked at it for a day, or two, or a week, but after some very serious intense study with all kinds of technologies and people who... And that is what we call critique, right? And so if we cannot critique an algorithm, if it does its job without ever being open to this public critique, it should not be used, at least not by the community, the society as a whole. In other words, not with public funds.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Well, what role do universities, and faculty especially, have here, given that a lot of this research is conducted at private institutions using, you know, their huge data sets, Facebook, Apple, Google, et cetera?\r\n\r\n- We know about some of these algorithms, what they do, but some of the things we do not know. The funny thing is that universities often find out about aspects of these algorithms only by doing their own research. In other words, trying to reconstruct them and then see what happens. That universities obviously are, at least public universities are such that they have a responsibility to the public of making people understand the world around them, and not of hiding the world around. You cannot have, I think, public universities, unless you follow the idea that research is for the public good, for the public good. Not for some good, but for the public good. And what that means is that universities should have access to algorithms and be able to critique them. And then at least the public funds, no other algorithms should be used. Companies can create their own algorithms. But then you need to make sure that what the companies do with their own algorithms, that cannot be critiqued because they are not known, that the reach of these companies is restricted so that their algorithms cannot do too much damage. So I think in particular, public universities and other research universities, too. Publicly funded research in general has a role to play here. What we're trying to do at this moment, you probably read the news about Facebook, that is not a monopoly.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, so there was the news, actually, I think today, right? Because there was a judge's decision yesterday. So Facebook is not a monopoly. Fine. If we do not have the appropriate mechanism at this moment to get a hold on what Facebook does, then we need to find ways to either have Facebook tell us what they're doing or if they're not doing it, then we need to adjust the monopoly idea so that it applies to those who can harm millions and millions of people. Without that, these people have any access to defending themselves. So I for Facebook has done a lot with what Google has done. I mean, the Google algorithm was an eye-opener for all of us, right, when we learned a little bit about it. This really is an eye-opener. This is good stuff. But it's still good stuff even if you don't hide it. And if you hide it and it has unintended consequences, it may be bad stuff. Let's not go there.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] What other trends either in industry or society, you name it, do you see having an impact here at Iowa States and at other research institutions?\r\n\r\n- Hmm, yeah, I think the most important, and I've talked about that a few times with respect to, I would say the most important at this moment is this entire area of data science of AI and then that decision making, I think, because that is new, that is coming up, but it is also urgent in the sense that it does affect you and me in what we do every day and not just the two of us. So are there other trends that affect Iowa State? Yeah, one of the really ongoing trends is an area of that has to do with understanding the animals and humans and the interactions between animals and humans with respect to diseases, with respect to viruses, with respect to all kinds of things. Iowa State is in a very specific situation here because we have excellent biology on campus, but we also have excellent veterinary medicine on campus. We have a research group that looks, it always had a reason, that looked into zoonotic diseases. We have a member of the National Academies who has worked on that his entire life, and actually a group that has worked on this entire life. We have recently added new research areas and research groups that look more at microbial resistance and things like this. So all of these areas where our specific knowledge of biology, of good chemistry, of veterinary medicine where that comes in, where we are pushed to understand where things get dangerous these days, let's do it. So some money, some funding has gone into this and there's groups there that I'm very, very hopeful will contribute to solution like antimicrobial resistance. It's really an issue that is very, very big in medicine. It has come down in importance a little bit because of COVID, but it is a very important issue. So these and other things here, Iowa State is in a very good position to work there. We do have started working there, and I think more can and should be done to make these things work. And the third area of course, is materials. We have always been a top university with respect to material science. There's currently several trends in industry and production that make material science even more important. One of the key has to do with the rare earths, and not only rare earths, but with the materials that are needed for batteries, that are needed for electronics, that are needed for what runs our our life these days. And where we either have very toxic ways at this moment to produce these things, so the question is, can we get these materials without, in a different way? Can we find ways to extract them that are more healthy for people who do it, for people who live around it? But also the question, will we be dependent when it comes to batteries for electric cars? Will we be dependent on who or what? So electric cars, one of the reasons electric cars are doing quite okay is that so far batteries are available. But we are not really, we now means the United States, we are really not a big contributor to that issue. Same with chips, you just notice that your favorite car, you may not be able to buy it these days because the chip may not be there. We have technologies that look into the future and that are important for the industry in the United States that we may not be able to support. So this is materials. This is even things as simple as chip-making. Iowa State has a good history there. So we could be the ones that actually help the United States do a lot better in these very, very basic engineering areas.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] In terms of funding these big collaborative projects and research, do you see changes in how these projects are traditionally funded, given, you know, national budgets, state budgets, private, or industrial connections, patron driven? Or do you see more institutions working together? What do you see there in terms of fundraising and support for research?\r\n\r\n- Well, there's basically two different scenarios, right? One is if the country comes to its senses, and one is if it doesn't. The first one, if the country comes to its senses, which means it understands the importance of research, and technology development of science in general, and dedicates a little more of its thinking and its little more of its funds again to that, a national operative funding would be necessary, I think, to solve this materials issues, to solve this battery issues and stuff like that. Interesting enough, I don't know whether you noticed that, but the electro-mobility, and electric cars and mostly they are, again, the question of not only of acceptance, but are basic engineering questions, was in some of the plan for infrastructure that was developed in Washington over the last few months. And the new infrastructure plan that I think people have agreed on now, maybe not even that but they have agreed on, this part has fallen of the wayside. It's not there at this moment. And so an interesting point here is that we, this is what I mean when we do not come to our senses. When we do not come to our senses, we will not have federally guided research initiatives, for instance, in the area of electric cars and electric trucks and electric whatever else. And at this moment, it does not look like we have an understanding in this country of infrastructure and the need for research and development to support infrastructure that makes that possible. So who would jump in? Difficult to say. So if we do not come to our senses like what we see at this moment, then these things may or may not happen. If we come to our senses, yeah, there is an approach. The federal government, just like they did in the 1950s, has to lead and make sure that there are priorities where the research community is involved in making this research and development happen, that is so important for our wellbeing for the way we live at this moment. And of course that is important for our continued excellence in industry.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Is there anything that we missed or you'd like to add or fill in?\r\n\r\n- Anything.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Um hm.\r\n\r\n- I think Dan, you did a very good job at picking out different things that are of interest and that I've been involved in over the last 35 years or so. Yeah, including something that still, it was from the very beginning, something that still is very close to my heart, which is the wellbeing of the mathematics department, which is an important piece of how developments go at Iowa State, not only in teaching, also in research, but also in teaching, the math department will never be an excellent research department without first addressing many of the basic teaching issues. But the department is doing that. And in some sense, to be honest, I'm quite proud of the mathematics department, how it has evolved over the years, the place that it's in right now. My hope that with the new hires that we have in the department after us old people retired, that the new hires will be able to get the opportunity to build on this. Just like we had the opportunity back from the 80s and 90s to build a department that is research-wise and education-wise more in the center of campus.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Well, thank you. It's been a true pleasure.\r\n\r\n- Thanks for talking to me. I looked a little bit at the transcription, so if you have questions also, hey, let's talk about it.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Yep, I'll get to work downloading this. I haven't really reviewed WebEx versus others, but I'll get to work on the transcript and then share that with you, and then once we're all okay, we can put it online and share it with Paul and others.\r\n\r\n- Sounds good to me. Let's do it. Dan, thanks so much. You were very, very understanding, and I love just the format that you use for these interviews. It's very comfortable. Very good.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Well, good. We have one more session with A.M. and then I think we're done with the big three, so to speak.\r\n\r\n- Okay. Sounds good to me. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of this.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Alrighty. Take care.\r\n\r\n- Bye-bye.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1755/collection_resources/57424/file/131461#t=0.0,6703.872"}]}]}]}