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And, I really thank the Iowa Humane Society for making it possible. I feel in some ways like a fox in the chicken coop because I have had a few problems occasionally with what some of the land-grant colleges have been doing to the environment in terms of short-term profit. We're on the threshold now with our new found power over the genes of life, to remake the entire creation in our own image. To convert the natural world into an efficient industrialized biosphere. Is that the kind of world we want? This new biotechnology could be used to truly begin to heal the earth and humanity in the process. It needs to be applied with the right attitude, the right reverence. Outside of this memorial building there's a beautiful fountain. You should go and see it again. And, it's the corn goddess and her four aspects because of the four directions. And, the goddess is there planting the corn and then nurturing it and then gathering it and then nursing a child. The Christ child if you wish. There's this whole cycle of life, is a sacred circle, it's a unified field. There're no outside standers. If you feel that you're outside, you're beginning to objectify the world to establish a duality. And, that's the pathology of today. Corn is no longer seen as sacred, it's seen primarily as a commodity. Corn is a commodity, but it is also sacred. It comes out of the sacred hoop or the sacred circle. We'd use corn for many purposes, plowing at vast acres, primarily to feed farm animals. And, as a consequence, we destroyed the Prairie. We displaced wildlife. We reduced biological diversity with these mono-cultures of corn and pigs and cattle and people. It's not the way to farm sustainably, it's not sustainable. That's why many farmers are going out of business right now. We need a new paradigm. And, I do believe that this genetic engineering biotechnology can be applied well, in the right process. I have many quotes here that I'd like to share with you before I give you a take a set slideshow. This slideshow deals with various perceptions of animals in nature, from the original scriptures, of not only the first people, but also of our long-term Judea, Christian, Muslim or Islamic, Buddhist and Hindu traditions. But, a few quotes here from scientists and philosophers to try to set the stage as a dialogue between science and progress and scientism, scientific imperialism and the rising technocracy of today. The rising technocracy that sees nothing ethically or morally wrong in patenting animals and giving them the official stamp of approval of a new attitude that they are simply commodities and inventions. The whole of life now can be patented outside of Washington, D.C. This country has gone on record now for all time as endorsing that attitude. We're completely commoditizing the earth processes and all who dwell therein, including humanity, when you look at human rights being violated both here and broad. Yesterday I was in San Francisco and was with a native person from the Amazon and his people are being shot right now, kicked off their land by miners and those cutting the tropical rain forest to raise beef primarily for export to this country and to Japan. That is not progress, that is ecocide. So, what I'm saying is that our rising technocracy is using science in a very imperialistic way. We have great instrumental knowledge. This application suffers from ontological reductionism. We lose part of the sense and the feeling for the whole. We must return to a kind of an empathetic knowledge, rather than an instrumental knowledge. And, Barbara McClintock who got the Nobel prize for her research on corn genetics, said that \"You must have a feeling for the organism.\" When you have this feeling, this in-dwelling ness with it, then you begin to really know, you have a deep empathetic understanding. And, it's what we need now to bring us around. Think of this quote from Harvard University biologist E.O. Wilson in his book on human nature. He says \"The time has come to ask; does a way exist to divert the power of religion into the service of the great new enterprise that lays bare the sources of that power.\" Make no mistake about the power of scientific materialism that presents the human mind with an alternative mythology that until now has always, point for point in zones of conflict, defeated traditional religion. This is the voice of the technology rising today. It is the religion of materialism. of dualism. It is illusionary. It is disruptive. It is driven by fear, fear of life and death, and the need for power, control, predictability. It's driven by greed to the form of fear because it's based on insecurity. It's based upon a lack of deep love for the whole. The reverence for living things. We tried to, couple of years ago now, stop the national institutes of health from creating transgenic animals, putting human genes into pigs and so on. Arguing that a pig has an inherent nature or a telos of pigness. The scientists denied that animals have an inherent nature. There's also a general view that animals do not have feelings, they do not have souls and so on. And, there's nothing sacred in nature. What we've done is discarded the creation, so that we can rape it. And, Wilson is endorsing this view. It ties into, of cause, the patriarchy. Since it has been given religious sanction for many years, especially by the church of Rome. Carolyn Merchant: ecologist, scientists, feminist, in her book, The Death of Nature says, \"In investigating the roots of our current environmental dilemma and its connection to science, technology and the economy, we must re-examine the formation of a worldview and a science that, by re-conceptualizing reality as a machine rather than a living organism, sanctioned enough domination of both nature and women.\" Another woman, the late Indira Gandhi, Prime Minister of India, \"Everything is interdependent, man, animal and environment. Whatever the economical or political context, everything is related. Whatever happens now to animals will eventually happen to man. The conservation of our inheritance deserves the same natural care as our economical development.\" Now, biotechnology could be one of the greatest threats to biodiversity worldwide. If we start introducing new genetically engineered lifeforms, primarily for agricultural industrial purposes. Introducing cattle, for example, resistant to sleeping sickness into wilderness areas of Africa will mean the extinction, the final extinction of many wild species of plants and animals. Is that the way to go? Certainly it's not prudent to endeavor to feed a population of 6 billion on meat that is genetically engineered or not. So, we need to rethink our agricultural paradigm. We need to rethink our medical paradigm too, in which an awful lot of animal suffering occurs needlessly in laboratories. Bigger sectors are not cruel, they're caught in a cruel conceptual bind, which again is dualistic and not holistic. A holistic or Gestalt perception realizes the wisdom of preventative holistic and environmental medicine. And, doesn't move in simply to profit by treating the symptoms. The first patent was awarded to Harvard University for a genetically engineered mouse that is very susceptible to cancer. It has the human oncogene that makes it very susceptible to carcinogenics chemicals. Ironically, the patent is owned by DuPont Chemical. One of the biggest world manufacturers and distributors of pesticides. The point that I'm getting to here is they're going to use this mask to screen for dangerous chemicals. And, also use it to find cures for women with breast cancer. It's nonsense. It gives the public a false feeling of security why this is a better medical model. This is medical progress. Medical progress is to stop you all from getting breast cancer. And, what is the statistic? Now one woman in three is going to get it in this room. But, there we get into the politics of medicine. Because of agrochemical poisons, uncontrolled industriant pollutants and so on. These other industries will not give way. And, so the medical industry finishes up profiting from the tragic fallout. So, again we need to change. To change our agricultural practices, to make our land healthy, will make our children healthy. And, the writing is very clearly on the wall. So, we need an ethical sensibility now for science, toward a more empathetic knowledge. The founder of the Baháʼí Faith, Abdu'l-Bahá said, \"It is not possible to fly with one wing alone should a man try to fly with the wing of religion alone, he will quickly fall into a quagmire of superstition. Whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone he would also make no progress but fall into the despairing slough of materialism. When religion shown of its superstitions, traditions and unintelligent dogmas, shows its conformity with science in the world then there will be a great unifying, a cleansing force which will sweep before it all wars, disagreements, discords and struggles. And, then will humankind the united in the power and the love of God.\" What a quote. Now, from some scientists who have feeling for the whole. Richard Levins and Richard Lewontin in The Dialectical Biologists, published by Harvard University press 85. \"The commoditization of science stands between the powerful insights of science and corresponding advances in human welfare, often producing results that contradict the stated purposes. The continuation of hunger in the modern world is not the result of an intractable problem thwarting our best efforts to feed people, rather agriculture in the capitalist world is directly concerned with profit and only indirectly concerned with feeding people. Similarly, the organization of healthcare is directly an economic enterprise and only secondarily influenced by people's health needs. Thinking of health needs, I introduced Cesar Chavez at a conference yesterday in San Francisco and the great boycott, by the way, is still on. They are soaked in pesticides. There's no protection for the migrant workers and their children are like the modern Canaries of today. They're having serious health problems and birth defects. A friend of mine in India wrote this. His name is Naganathan, he's a physicist. \"Science is an intellectual activity, ethically neutral. It is bereft of any self-correcting governor. The evils of science cannot be cured by science itself. Those who pin their hopes on scientific advances, however brilliant, do a disservice in that they blind us to the really crying need for revolution in human ethics. And, pave the way for ever increasing , attended by greater and yet greater disasters. I'll give you a quote from another scientist now. And, I'll give you his name afterwards. I'll give it first. Otherwise, you won't listen, you'll be wondering who it is. Albert Einstein. \"A human beings is a part of the whole, called by us, the universe.\" A part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This is this dualism again. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison, by widening our circle of compassion, to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely, but the striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security. Very recently, His Holiness Pope John Paul II whom I questioned about three years ago, when he said in an address that it is certain that animals are intended for man's use. I asked His Holiness for the basic biblical or verification of this conclusion and received none. He has now come out with an encyclical of general social concerns. And, in this concern, he exults us all to have deep respect for every living entity, animals, plants and even non living things. And, to not let our economic needs take precedence over concern for these entities. Now, this is extraordinary statement from a religious tradition that has been extremely patriarchal and dominionistic. We are beginning to see a change now in mainstream religion. And, part of it has been brought on by the environmental crisis, which is environmental awareness, to a creation centered spirituality. And, this is very potent. We had a conference last weekend in Washington. The 24 leading representatives of the major Christian denominations. And, they came out with two declarations. One was an agreed upon consensus that there should be a moratorium on the patenting of animals, pending further discussions ethically, socially, economically. They gave a general statement, which I'll give you before giving the slideshow, which I find encouraging that the worldview is changing. That science and ethics is coming together. That the spiritual and the material is beginning to resonate again. This consultation was on the respect for life and environment, moral and theological aspects of genetic engineering and biotechnology. And, the statement reads as follows, \"We affirm that humanity and all of nature live in a relationship of mutuality and interaction in covenant with the creator. We recognize that the human species is not in right relationship with the rest of creation and that our transgression lies in our continued abuse of the creation and our desire to remake it in our own image as a means of satisfying exclusively human ends. Redemption includes not only personal salvation but also the restoration of the natural world and the establishment of a relationship that will protect the integrity of creation. The ethical, environmental, socioeconomic and theological ramifications of genetic engineering and patenting of life are profound. They point to the probability that the integrity and future of creation will be placed in even greater jeopardy. If our power over the genes of life is not exercised prudently and with reverence, to help restore the covenant, to heal the earth and ourselves. It's very telling that they include in redemption, not only personal salvation, but the restoration of the planet. A lot of this will take a new sensitivity, an openness. We've been denying the Holocaust of the animal kingdom, the extinction of wildlife the destruction of the tropical rain forest, for too long. We have to begin to feel this. Then we will be moved as one Christian mystic says, \"In our awakening we bare the stigmata of an earth crucified.\" But, in less theological terms, I'll give you some simple words of an Australian Aboriginal. The kind of sensitivity that we need for our survival now. A new technological fix is not going to work. We need a cognitive fix, through the awakening of feeling. This is Bill Neidjie he's a Kakadu man. Remember, the Australian aboriginals have been in Australia for 40,000 years. And the place is beautiful. We've been here less than 200 years. \"If you feel sore, headache, sore body, that means somebody killing tree or grass. You feel because your body in that tree or earth. Nobody can tell you, you've got to feel it yourself. So, now I want to give you a slide presentation. We will look at animals, nature and religion, and see how perceptions are changing. The slide show lasts for about 30 minutes. It's okay. I think they can all go out so everybody can sleep, If they wish. Now, I can't see a darn thing. Play.\r\n\r\n- [Narrator] Animals, nature and religion. The world's major religions have much to teach us about our proper place in nature and how we ought to treat our follow animals and relate to the rest of creation. According to the Hopi Indians, we are out of balance with the rest of creation. A condition which they term, \"Koyaanisqatsi\" Which means, life out of balance. The ancient spiritual philosophy of Darwinism emphasize that the way to world peace and harmony is for humanity to live in balance with nature. Which they depicted symbolically as a creative embrace of heaven and earth or yin and yang. This unity and complementarity of opposites is symbolically depicted as part of the sky or the great spirit and mother earth by the Navajo Indians, whom they regard as our original parents. Native peoples also find spiritual symbolism in various creatures. the spider for example, being sacred to many American Indians because it represents the seamless web of life or the unified field of existence in which everything is interconnected and interdependent. The modern science of ecology confirms this intuitive wisdom. That all of life is interconnected and interdependent. This means that no species is more or less superior or inferior to any other. As one theologian has said, \"Ecology is the science of the body of Christ, through which we of the earth community learn our sacred connectedness.\" In a spiritual sense, therefore ecology reveals to us the sacred unity of life. Molecular biology also teaches us about this unity and interdependence. The elements that make up our own bodies, such as carbon, phosphates and nitrogen, circulate through the food chain and through the soil, the water, and even the air that we breathe. The old zen aphorism that rocks are people in rocks, is true, in so far as the minerals from the rocks leach into the soil and are incorporated into plant life that we intern eat and incorporate into our own bodies. In other words, the earth is our flesh and we should treat it with the same respect as we would treat our own bodies. Evolutionary biology also teaches us about the biological interconnectedness of various species. Even the structure of human DNA, which could be regarded as God's blueprint, is basically similar for human beings as it is for other animals, and even for plants. Physiologically and anatomically the human species is also essentially the same as any other vertebrate species. Charles Darwin in his theory of evolution, insisted that human beings were not superior. Indeed, he used to write down on his hand every day not superior because he envisioned evolution like a tree with the various species occupying different branches. He did not envision a hierarchical ladder, with homosapiens at the top. In Ecclesiastes it is stated that, \"the fate of the sons of man and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath and the man has no advantage over the beast. For all is vanity, all go to one place, all are from the dust and all turn to dust again. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of beast goes down to earth.\" In other words, it is vain for us to think that we are some kind of special creation. But, this view is still widely held. The science ethology, the study of animal behavior, reveals that humans and non-human animals share similar emotional states and often express their emotions in similar ways. Like the greeting grin of the human and dog or wolf, which are virtually identical and express friendly intentions, and the emotional feeling of pleasure and happiness. It is through the sharing of such affection with other animals that we enjoy communion with them. Ethology also teaches us that human beings are not the only animals who show empathy, altruism and compassion. One dog, for example, will take care of a sick or injured companion. Licking the other's sores and even providing the food until it has recovered. The altruistic behavior of dogs rescuing other injured animals, and even people have been eulogized by poets, artists and others. We should not simply dismiss such behavior as irrational and unconsciously instinctive, but rather recognize that such altruistic behavior is not a uniquely human trait. It is a quality that we share with other animals. It is a tragic irony, that in the face of scientific evidence to the contrary, we should treat such animals so cruelly as in biomedical research. Where animals are all too often subjected to unnecessary, unconscionable suffering, even being shocked, mutilated, poisoned and extensively burned in the name of medical progress for the benefit of human beings. Surely, no good ends can come from evil means. It is also a tragedy of the times that there are people who seem to enjoy seeing animals suffer. Like those who own, train and enjoy the spectacle of pit bull terriers tearing each other apart. This is certainly one of the most cruel and demeaning spectator sports in this modern age. Abraham Lincoln once said, \"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it. Animal cruelty of this kind reflects such a profound lack of empathy and emotional connectedness toward animals. Then, it is surely a disease in itself. Much like the vivisection of animals in the name of scientific curiosity and knowledge for knowledge sake. There is a widely held view that nature and animals have been created for man's own exclusive use. And, that animals do not have interests, inherent value, feelings or rights. Thus, it is not considered unethical to sacrifice them in the name of science. But, to sacrifice them for magical and occult purposes, like making a power circle out of various decapitated animals with their heads impaled on stakes is not acceptable today. Even though ritual animal sacrifice was a religious practice having weight acceptance in the past. Erroneous notion that animals are unfeeling machines is called Cartesianism which is the philosophy of Rene Descartes who once said that, the screens of animals being vivisected, was simply the sounds of their body machines breaking down. Descartes argued that animals do not have souls because they lack the power of reason. And, since they lack souls, they cannot suffer. Yet, it is clearly stated in the old Testament that animals are of the same breath of creation or origin as we and all have, or are living souls called nephesh in Hebrew. Thanks to the mechanistic and materialistic worldviews of Descartes, Newton and Francis Bacon, the stage was set, by the 17th century for the eunsoulment of animals and the desacrilization of nature which became an industrialized resource. Such views contaminated religious attitudes toward nature and animals. Which now need to be changed in the light of new scientific evidence of the unity, ecological interdependence and biological kinship of all life. Without any apparent ethical sensibility scientists have recently created through embryonic manipulation, creatures called Geeps. Monstrous chimeras with the head of a goat and the body of sheep. Through genetic engineering biotechnology which may well alter the entire course of creation. Animals like the dairy cow will in the future be made into biological machines to evermore efficiently serve the needs of man who plays God. Where indeed is the respect for the sanctity of life, when animal beings are mutilated and deformed for human enjoyment. Like the circus unicorn of Barnum and Bailey, which is nothing more than a goat with a transplanted horn in the center of its head. And, what kind of love is it? Except perhaps a perverse sentimentality for the deformed and helpless that makes people keep and breed genetically defective purebred dogs, like the bulldog, with such a deformed face that it has great difficulty breathing. Certainly such creatures are to be loved but it is surely unloving to deliberately propagate them so that they will be evermore generations of offspring who will suffer. If a human species has truly been made in the image of God, then should we not treat all living things as we would have God treat us. And, that is with humility, respect and compassion in our relations with each other, with nature and with the animals. But, instead we choose to assume the authority of God in claiming dominion over God's creation. the image of St.George slaying the dragon, the serpent dragon is a sacred symbol of many pagan cultures, since it represents the forces of nature. It gives religious sanction to man's domination of nature, which is regarded in an adversarial way as being evil if not foreign. The ritual enactment about domination over nature is exemplified by the rodeo. Where animals are cruelly treated, roped and restrained. A public exhibition which, like the animal circus, indoctrinates children with the belief that it is not wrong to treat animals in such ways. It is a feeling of superiority and a lack of true humility and compassion that lead us to regard others as somehow inferior. As animal rights are violated today so human rights have been long violated, as by the white colonists who engaged in human slavery. That we have dominion over the rest of creation, according to the book of Genesis does not mean that we have free license to exploit others for our own selfish ends. The original meaning of the word dominion, which is derived from the Latin domino to rule over, comes from the Hebrew word. According to rabbi Herald White, this word can be traced to the root verb . means literally, to go down. To place oneself in sympathy with the animal kingdom and to recognize our commonality with the animals. When dominion is motivated by love, we have the ecumenical politics of what amounts to a trans-species democracy. But, when it is motivated simply by self-serving power, it amounts to nothing more than biological fascism. The human centered, so called anthropocentric, view that Homosapiens is a special and therefore superior creation, ironically linked with an anthropomorphic human like conception of divinity has two pernicious consequences. The first is to set setup a false duality between humans and other animals, between civilization and the environment and between God and nature. The second is to create a linear hierarchical worldview with God being conceived as being transcendent only and not also Co-inherent or eminent in nature. This essentially patriarchal view, which Aristotles, and Augustans and Thomas Aquinas and Calvin among others endorsed, stands in sharp contrast to a more holistic egalitarian view where divinity nature, humans and animals are all one. This latter so-called pantheistic view places ethical constraints upon how we treat the rest of creation because God is not simply transcendent. God is also in all and all is in God. St. Francis and his teaching emphasize that the animals and all of nature are part of God's creation. That they are in God and through or by way of them of God's creative love can be realized and revered. it is certain that when we had no civilization, nor worldview that separated us from nature because we were part of nature as gatherer hunters, we felt in the very core of our being our connectedness with the whole of creation. Nature, the earth was seen as the all providing mother and the female qualities of fecundity and nurturance as expressed in the venous miniature carvings of bronze age cave dwellers, where revered. The earth as mother goddess, as exemplified by the statue of Diana of ephesus, was linked with a pre-Christian pagan reverence for nature. and, by such seasonal rituals as the harvest festival and the spring time dressing of the Wells in England, which were later assimilated into Christianity. There was no question that animals and nature were sacred, had spirits or souls and were part of the same origin or creation as we. The beliefs that animals had one or more guardian spirits was common to European cultures, like the symbol of pam, protector of herds and flocks and wild creatures, which was part of the Patheon of Greco-Roman civilization, before the rise of Christianity. We should also remember the animal headed divinities of the last great civilization before ours. The Egyptian patheon with its animal headed divinities such as Isis, Anubis and Horace should not be misinterpreted as pagan anamism that makes animals into Gods. Rather animals were perceived as manifestations of various aspects of divinity and were revered for these qualities such as Bastet the cat, who exemplified qualities of grace the fugacity and fecundity. Likewise, to be concerned today about the non-human creation from a spiritual perspective and to reincorporate animals into the scope of moral and religious principles is not a regression to ancient polytheism and animism. In the Hindu texts, the bhagavad gita, we find the declaration, \"We bow to all beings with great reverence and the thought that God enters into them in-fractioning himself as living creatures.\" This is not pagan animal worship. As Albert Schweitzer said, \"To the truly ethical man, all of life is sacred, including forms of life that from the human point of view may seem lower than ours.\" This is certainly not pagan idolatry. Yes, is it not a kind of idolatry to worship the image of oneself as God. The human centered and male human image of divinity may well have its roots in the Greek Pantheon where all divine and mortal beings, especially those that are female, are subordinate to the top god Zeus. It is likely from this cosmology today's patriarchal worldview of male superiority and domination finds its roots. The beautiful myth of Adam and Eve can be seen as a description of the evolution of human consciousness. Adam, after eating the Apple from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, is no longer like any other animal. He is aware of his own nakedness, which means being aware of and terrified of his own mortality. He has a moral sensibility, knowing good from evil and also possesses some God-like powers, such as creativity, instrumental knowledge and the ability to objectify the world by giving names to things. It was Laura Knisley who wrote, \"The Eden of the present that the animal world had known for ages was shattered at last. Through the human mind, time and darkness, good and evil would enter and possess the world.\" End of quote. Evil arises from human ignorance, arrogance, fear of life and death, and from the selfish use and abuse of our powers of dominion. In trying to become gods in them for ourselves. And, thus separating ourselves from the created order and our place therein. We failed to recognize our own limitations and dependence upon the whole. Father Sean McDonor offers a cosmic view of sin stating, \"If sin destroys the harmony between human beings and the natural world then redemption to be complete must heal and renew the primordial unity and recreate the earth, wherever it has been injured through human greed and vice.\" The teachings of all the world's major religions have long recognized the virtues of humility and compassionate benevolence toward all fellow beings as enlightened self-interest. Recent studies have shown that there is a direct link between cruelty toward animals in childhood and later violent and criminal behavior in adulthood Compassion has a boundless ethic. It can never be arbitrary. Yet only too often, for reasons of custom, convenience, expedience, and profits, we failed to give other animals equal and fair consideration. Do we not demean ourselves in our indifference toward the suffering that we cause them. And, in our uncritical acceptance of animal exploitation. While teachers like the lamb where revered as sacred symbols by the Judea-Christian tradition, We have the cruel incarceration of such creatures. As the veal cow. Raised for 16 weeks in narrow crates. They are deprived of their most basic freedoms, even to be able to comfortably and easily stand up, turn around, lie down, walk, stretch and interact with each other. it is also a tragic irony, that the horrendous public spectacle of a bull fight is a most popular spectator invent, particularly, in Roman Catholic countries. There is a discrepancy today between what the various religions teach and preach and how their followers relate to the rest of God's creation. And, between what is taught in terms of our place in nature, our duty is towards the creation and what science now reveals to us about animals and nature. In India, where Hinduism is the major religion and the cow is especially revered in temples and shrines. There is much abuse of these animals in slaughterhouses. And, as beast of burden. There are also serious problems associated with ritual slaughter, that leaders of the Islamic, Judea traditions are at last beginning to address. As it says in the book of Isaiah, \"He who kills an ox is like he who kills a person. And, the Qur'an proclaims, \"There is not an animal on earth, nor a flying creature on two wings that they are like unto you.\" And, as the Bible proclaims that, \"A merciful man will be merciful to his beast.\" So, the Holy prophet Muhammad said, \"Whoever is kind to the creatures of God, is kind to himself.\" In addition to regarding non-human animals as being morally worthy of consideration and making them part of our community of moral concern and social responsibility, they are also part of the same ecological communities we. We therefore harm them, when we harm the environment. There is little reverence for the environment, when nature is seen simply as a resource. We are turning the natural world into a polluted and industrialized wasteland It is surely true that as the poet, Marilyn Le Sueur concluded, \"We can only destroy that which we objectify.\" End quote. And, this happens when we treat nature and animals as resources and objects. Since the earth is our flesh, we harm ourselves and our children's children, when we harm the earth. Industrial pollutants and agri-poisons, especially pesticides, contaminate our food and drinking water, and along with acid rain, are killing the life in fresh water lakes. Worldwide pollution is destroying the environment and the wildlife therein. Since everything is interconnected, our own health suffers as a consequence. Hence, the epidemics of cancer, birth defects, genetic damage and other complex health problems that we face today. And, no amount of laboratory animal research, and animal suffering and sacrifice, is going to help prevent these problems. The covenant to dress and keep the garden of Eden has been long broken. In spite of the implicit conservation message of the story of Noah who saved the animals from the flood. The flood today is the Holocaust of the animal kingdom. As witnessed, the many abuses of animals today, such as the wholesale decimation of whales, simply for their oil and other raw materials. And, the suffering and killing of wild animals in steel jaw leg-hold traps for their fur. Which no one in his or her right mind could wear. Wild animals are also poisoned and their habit has destroyed so that we may raise sheep and cattle and farm animal feeds. To indulge our tastes for meat. In addition to the cruel treatment of factory farmed animals, too often kept in overcrowded and stressful conditions. We should also consider the risks, to our own health, of the antibiotics and other drugs that are given to these animals to make them more productive and to help them cope with the stressful and disease promoting conditions in which they are incarcerated. We should also reflect upon the fact that the more meat and other farm animal produce we consume the more land is cleared and used to raise feed for farm animals. By so doing, we are contributing to the displacement and extermination of wildlife and their habitats. There are alternatives to meat based agriculture. For example, 360 pounds of soybean protein can be produced from one acre of land. While only 20 pounds of beef can be produced from one acre. One of the greatest threats to wildlife worldwide, other than human overpopulation, is the expanding cattle industry. The clearing of land, especially of tropical forest to raise cattle for meat export to affluent countries and destruction of trees for firewood combined with overpopulation interact to contribute to drought, famine and the collapse of traditional sustainable agricultural practices. As the Bible instructs, \"As we saw, so shall we reap.\" In addition to modern chemically dependent agriculture great harm is done to the environment by the timber industry. Vast hillsides of trees may seem natural but these are simply industrial landscapes, since virtually nothing else can grow where these trees, all of one species have been planted. In many parts of the world the construction of dams for hydroelectric power in order to stimulate further industrial production and expansion has caused irreparable damage to nature. These trends can be reversed, once it is realized that it is enlightened self-interest to do so. A sound and sustainable economy and a stable and healthy ecology go hand in hand. We can begin to repair the covenant by helping protect wildlife directly, by not wearing their furs and indirectly by reducing or stopping our consumption of meat and other consumptive habits wasteful of natural resources. And, chemically addicted farmers can shift to low input organic or regenerative agriculture, which will benefit all of life. We can encourage children not to make pets of wild animals. And, come to respect the sanctity and dignity of all creatures, realizing that those that are domesticated pets, in quotes, are ours only in sacred trust and should not be humanized or anthropomorphized, or be treated as objects of property or as toys or status symbols. Indeed our companion animals are perhaps closer to divinity than we in the unconditional love that they bestow upon us. Companion animals, like all creatures have needs and interests and are worthy of equal and fair consideration. Humane education and animal rights philosophy have done much to encourage these values and a more egalitarian attitude toward animals. As Albert Schweitzer said, \"Without a reverence for all life. And, by that we must also include nature, we will never enjoy world peace. 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Let them go too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303#t=1258.6,1260.393"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303/transcript/28252/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303#t=1261.29,1262.48"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303/transcript/28252/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(audience applauds)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303#t=1262.48,1265.48"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303/transcript/28252","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303/transcript/28252/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/028/252/original/AV203763_Humans_Animals_and_Nature_Who_Plays_God_b.vtt?1622659358","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/028/252/original/AV203763_Humans_Animals_and_Nature_Who_Plays_God_b.vtt?1622659358"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303/transcript/28253","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AV203763_Humans_Animals_and_Nature_Who_Plays_God_b.txt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303/transcript/28253/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- ... and the peoples. And even more important, we should understand that he is also above all these things and peoples. When we do understand all this deeply in our hearts, then we will fear and love and know the great spirit. And then we will be an act and live as he intends. Close quote. We need to move away from exploitation and glorifying our own creation to exaltation and glorification and praise of God's creation as well. Reverend Thomas Berry just said, \"Every being has its own interior. \"Itself, it's mystery, it's numinous aspect. \"To deprive any being of this sacred quality \"is to disrupt the total order of the universe. \"Reverence will be total, or it will not be at all.\" Close quote. Animals are indeed living soul or ensouled beings like us. Pythagoras insisted that animals share with us the privilege of having a soul and Meister Eckhart contended, \"The soul is not in the body, but the body is in the soul.\" The Hindu religion teaches that we and all creatures possess a spark of inherent divinity, the Atman. Those who revere nature and animals are often accused of deifying God's creation, which is wrongly called idolatry. Such heretics were once persecuted, even burned at the stake. But to have reverence only for God and not for God's creation and created order is to be blind to God, to the God inherent as love, wisdom, and mystery in a myriad wondrous manifestations that nature sustains. To have reverence only for an anthropomorphized God and not also for God's creation is surely the essence of idolatry. In Christianity, there are at least two saints, namely St. Eustace and St. Hubert who early in their lives were nobleman who frequently went hunting. They both independently saw a vision of Christ on the cross between the antlers of a stag. This visionary experience, not unlike the Atman vision of inherent divinity in all the things of Hinduism was their religious conversion away from wanting killing to helping alleviate the suffering of the world. As compassion is at the heart of Christianity, so it is the foundation of Buddhism. It was Gautama Buddha himself who said, \"Friendship toward all creatures is the true religion.\" We share with other sentient life forms the will to live. Albert Schweitzer said that if we wish to the soul of an animal, we should attune our will to live with it's will to live. St. Francis of Assisi who called all animals our brothers and sisters said, \"A man knows only as much as he has suffered.\" We share with other sentient beings the kinship of suffering which moves us towards empathy, humility, and respect as well as commitment to the alleviation of their suffering under our dominion through compassion and benevolent action. Compassion leads us to the realization of the sanctity of life and also of it's sacred unity so that we may begin to live gently, conscientiously, in harmony and loving communion with all living religiously. Religion is then not separate from everyday life. It is not simply a question of turning to religion to help the animal kingdom and to save the world. This will be no better than seeking some magical solution through philosophy, law, science or technology. It is more a question of us becoming religious, living gently and in reverence with all life. This is not purely a philosophy, cause or crusade. It is essentially a way of life, a way of feeling, sensing, thinking and acting such as one does not in any way limit the freedom, sanctity and fulfillment of others. This is the gentle way of living in communion. We will begin to live in communion when we begin to empathize and see the world through the eyes of other animals and when our self-centered worldview changes toward one of humility and kinship with all life. The view the animals are our brothers and sisters is equally the worldview of the American Indian as it was the teaching of St. Francis of Assisi whose love and faith, according to legend, even enabled him to tame the feared wolf of Gubbio. Religious leaders worldwide are now beginning to speak for the animals and nature. The world week of prayer, including the blessing of animals, are part of the spiritual movement to bring peace and harmony to the world and to restore the sacred unity between humanity and the rest of creation. The basic teachings of all the world's major religions lead us toward a humane planetary stewardship. Since animals are part of the same ecological community of earth as we, are they're not also of the same origin or breath of creation as we? Should they not therefore be embraced within the same circle of compassion that constitutes our moral community of humane concern since to exclude them is to deny our own biological and spiritual nature, as well as our kinship with them and by so doing, deny God. Humane planetary stewardship is now a spiritual and a survival imperative for all religions to promote by applying the scriptural teachings to the present conditions of animals suffering. By taking action to correct a multitude of abuses and by extending the golden rule to promote respect for our fellow creatures on planet earth as well as for mother herself. And when we begin to perceive divinity in and through all things, humankind will be inspired and guided along the general way of planetary stewardship and in one voice say, \"Grant that I may feel you always in everything.\"\r\n\r\n- Thank you to Susan Osborne for the finale. And those of you in this room who are atheist, and I met one young man walking out going to class, just delete God and put in compassion. Remember, the Buddhists don't believe in God because God separate from anything else is another false duality. So they just speak of compassionate as the highest virtue. Questions. I believe somebody said we should have time for some questions. Yes.\r\n\r\n- What are your thoughts on use of animals in veterinary colleges for educational purposes?\r\n\r\n- Well, I think... Well repeat the question. Let me just put this projector off. What do I feel about using animals in veterinary schools and other schools for educational purposes? I feel there's a great need for students to learn much more about animal ethology, humane handling, and so on in veterinary schools I feel it is completely wrong and I think it's demeaning of the students to take perfectly healthy normal animals and to injure them or make them sick in the name of education. Medical students don't do this with normal, healthy human beings. And very few medical schools actually use live animals now in their classes. I think it's very demeaning of the professional to continue this. You can argue while the student is going to learn essential vital skills like, you know, pinning a fracture after breaking the dog's leg on the anesthetic on the table, and you'll never see a fracture like that in practice. Fracture is very different when the animal's running or hit by something. You have muscle tone and all kinds of variables. And you're not gonna be any good pinning bones until you're done 40 or 50. Then there's the point, well... Well let's take these animals from the local pound or from a pound in the next state or County And launder them through a USDA agent and then get them to the school because we've got to give the students something to do in order to feel that they're getting their money's worth from this education. And the argument goes, well these animals from the pounds would have died anyway and so we might as well use them. And anyway, other animals will benefit indirectly. Now the same argument was discovered during the Nuremberg trials of the Nazi doctors who said, \"Well, the Jews would have died \"in the gas chambers anyway so we did some experiments first \"for the benefit of humanity.\" It's the same rationalization. That one is fascist, attitudes toward animals that they are not ends in themselves or the means the other ends is biological fascism. It's wrong ethically regardless the experiential value to the student. I'm more concerned about the desensitization to the student and the ultimate loss of professional dignity. But when have veterinarians who during the weeks stitch up animals that have been, you know, shot and hit by cars, then they spend the weekend blasting deer apart. You know, we all kind of encapsulate and compartmentalize our ethics and our sensibilities but compassion is a boundless ethic. We make no distinctions. Another question. Yes sir. Frank, yes.\r\n\r\n- What are the advantages of eating less meat? We'll just spell it out. A lot of people say when they ask me, am I a vegetarian veterinarian? And yeah, it took me awhile. But my main reason is not my own personal health and the many reasons for reducing meat consumption for health purposes. I'm really concerned about wildlife because we take land away, you know, the deforestation in this country in order to open land and the de-prairieization too. And the sucking out of the deep Ogallala aquifer to raise feed grains also for export has led to the destination of this great, great continent. I've flown over it twice in the last two days and I just see this vast table land that's an industrialized landscape, and highly intoxicated at that with synthetic fertilizers, nitrogen, is another factor that destroys the ozone layer, then our pesticides just turn us into Mexican jumping beans, genetically speaking. It's pretty wild. So there's a strong, ethical-ecological reason for reducing or stopping your meat consumption. There's also a humane one too. There's no way on God's earth that large number of animals being raised under intensive conditions can be given the the kind of individual care and attention that is the tradition of humane animal husbandry. We don't speak of animal husbandry anymore. We call it animal management. Farmers are not called farmers, our husbandmen are called producers I'm not demeaning them, they're in a cruel bind. Another reason for cutting back is that a number of feed grains are imported from third world countries. So, our meat consumption contributes indirectly to hunger abroad. Cash crops or soybean, for example, grow in some South American countries. There was one, I think it was Colombia, where peasant people have been taken off their land by the military at gunpoint for the administration to raise soybeans that were export into this country and turned into chicken feed by Purina Company. So our colonial agriculture ties in it. It's a continuous net. So, what we're talking about here is all our connections. When we go down to McDonald's or Burger King, percentage of that meat, all the fat that's put into the hamburger comes from cattle from Costa Rica where the tropical rainforest is two thirds gone. There's a man trying to rehabilitate it but he calls it a biological wasteland. The livestock industry has caused that. The United Nations environmental program last year came out with an impact statement on global desertification. And I presented this at the World Ethnic Congress in Montreal before a large colloquium on beef production where it was saying the future of the banking profession is expanding beef production worldwide. About 600 people there so I had a minute. I got up, showed my slide. And here's the flow diagram towards desertification. Increasing cattle livestock population, veterinary services. So, we have to start seeing the light. A lot of this, you know, provide the hungry with meat and the sustainable cattle industry and so it's done with good altruistic intention that's short-sighted. The say, \"Think seven generations ahead. \"What are the consequences?\" Let us stop doing that. So, a seemingly simple issue like, should I or should I not be a vegetarian, goes off in many directions. There's also a spiritual reason too. All Hindus, and that's the biggest religion in the world of vegetarians because they believe that animals have souls too and we shouldn't kill them. They also believe in metempsychosis or reincarnation but that's another issue. So, there are many reasons leading us along the gentle path and Charlotte Blackauck at this conference in San Francisco, she's the granddaughter Blackauck, spoke. And she said that we must live simply in order that others may simply live. And that means really cutting back on our usual consumer habits. We were saying this in the sixties, now we have to do it. Another question. Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- What are your thoughts on\r\n\r\n- Genetically engineered vaccines. Downside safer, but again, what they're being used for? If they're being used to stop livestock and poultry under intensive stressful conditions from getting sick from manifesting disease, They're still going to be in a condition of disease, of stress, overcrowding, poor climate control and all the other problems. So it's not really going to help very much. And it's going to be expensive too. Then there's the problem of a virus shedding if there are live viruses and possibly mutation. So, we have to be very careful here. And in the development of these vaccines, you might've heard that there was one illegal test of a rabies vaccine by an American company slipped through in a diplomatic bag into Mexico. And they zapped some cows with this new genetically engineered rabies virus. It spliced onto, I think, a smallpox vaccine, orthopoxvirus. And the man handling the cattle got positive titus for rabies. That was a hot live virus that these cattle were shedding. People didn't get sick but it could affect other living creatures. So, we must be extremely cautious in all of this biological tinkering in the name of improvement. Yes sir.\r\n\r\n- What do I think about it?\r\n\r\n- Is there a place of them or are they all doomsday?\r\n\r\n- I am saying be careful. If we start improving the husbandry conditions so we don't have pathogenic situations where we have to use various fixes, we will be able to phase them out, but in our present bind we need them, but use them with great caution.\r\n\r\n- But don't livestock get sick outside?\r\n\r\n- They get sick outside or inside. They get a different kind of sickness outside. They get very much different kinds of sickness especially the endoparasites and so on, and the ectoparasites. And a lot of pathologist believe that they have a far greater long-term natural selection genetic resistance to those than to the new diseases that seem to be popping up in confine with the micro mycoplasmas, the viruses, rotavirus and so on. So, we need to think about better husbandry so we don't need these interventions because it's all intervented. And then, of course, if you don't get the vaccine at the right time, that can jam the immune system. So, they're going to come out with other diseases. Some Canadians have started this with the processing of feedlot cattle. They're de-horned, castrated, vaccinated and then sent to the feedlot. And there's just so much stress in their bodies that they succumb to a variety of diseases once they arrive there. And the vaccines make them more susceptible. So saying that cats, if you give them a feline distemper virus, if they're carrying feline leukemia, they're very likely to go down with it. So, we must be very careful. And giving back seems a little bit like giving pesticides, we've got to be very cautious. integrated vaccine application. Another question. Yes.\r\n\r\n- One of your slides showed a picture of the protein produce per acre. And you have soy beans produce 360 pounds and beef 20 pounds. I guess I'm a little bit curious because you said that Yeah, soy beans cannot grow on all soils in Iowa. And in fact growing of beans maybe a better cure of our soil not all so special\r\n\r\n- We can turn that around in two directions. One is not to use good agricultural soil for shopping malls or for raising feedstuffs for farm animals. Let's use it for producing quality feedstuffs for human beings. There's range land out there. There is evidence that in some ecosystems introducing some domestic raising animals kind of maintains the meadow system and the biodiversity. So, let's have a few. But let's get back to mixed grazing. Monocultures of sheep and cattle and so on is silly and especially cattle all of one age. They'd need their mommies there to know how to graze and take care of each other. A friend of mine in Kenya, David Hopcroft, has shown that you can produce 10 times more meat per acre and three times more hides ranching indigenous wild game. He does integrate some cattle because he needs little cash from his milk. We have ecosystems here, like the great high Plains from the brasket of Texas under the Ogallala Aquifer. The aquifer is poisoned now and it's running low. It's too expensive to suck the water out. Wonderful project would be to recede that into prairie and get the buffalo and the pronghorn antelope back. And if people want to eat them on a sustainable basis, okay. But it's far better than raising cattle. Cattle are ecotone animals. They belong on the edge of the forest. Let's breed them back and let them all go. Who should be running around in the Oak forest? The pigs. Let them go too. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43408/file/116303#t=0.0,1269.26367"}]}]}]}