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I have been asked to introduce myself. I am Barbara Brown I have known myself for 37 years now. And I can say I'm one of the most likable people I know. In these 37 years, I have been a political activist and a researcher and a college and junior high school teacher. My experience in Southern Africa is that I have done research in South Africa for six months and lived in Southern Africa for a total of three years. Most of that time spent in Botswana, a country bordering on South Africa, but that has been free for the last 15 years. It is not a South African colony directly. If you can't hear me in the back, just let me know. I also am a proud member of an organization called MassDivest, which is short for the Massachusetts Coalition for Divestment from South Africa. I'm proud, not just because we do good work, but because we are successful. And our success is that we recently passed overriding the governor's veto, a bill requiring the state to divest its pension fund from U.S corporations doing business in South Africa, including banks, and to the extent possible to reinvest that money in corporations and banks providing mortgages and employment in the state of Massachusetts, and that this divestment would occur over a three year period, if necessary, in order to receive the highest possible return on investment, sales and purchases. I will be talking tonight about giving you a bit of an introduction to South Africa, and then moving on to looking at U.S ties with South Africa and suggesting potential avenues for helping to end the apartheid system of the country. I would like to just say one more thing. I would like to thank my hosts, both here and at the University of Iowa, where I spoke yesterday and the day before for not only being so generous in arranging for all the talks and radio shows and meeting with state legislators, but also for taking care of my six month old daughter who is here, traveling with me. It's nice to know that we are moving towards the point where women with children can continue to be active outside the home, as well as in the home. And people here have made that possible, thank you. I like to start very simply. Just if I could have a show of hands of people who have heard me earlier today. Okay, I may be repetitive at the beginning and for that, I'm sorry, but it was hard to know exactly when I'd be speaking to the same or a different audience. I like to start off by asking you to imagine yourself in another country, in South Africa, you need to imagine further of course, if you know the very basic things about South Africa, you'll have to imagine whether you are black or white, even if you were just to remind you that South Africans isn't always different from this country. Imagine yourself, a citizen of the United States you would have to again, imagine yourself as black or white or Latina or whatever. You would have to imagine further things such as what economic group you came from a class. In South Africa that isn't entirely different, but I just want to remind you that South Africa as odd as it may seem at certain times is not, is only an exaggeration of what occurs in some other societies. So imagine first that you were born as a black South African you're born alive, you reached your first birthday, celebrate your second, your third, your fourth you'll die by the time you're five, unless you're one of the 50% who were lucky to survive to the time they are six, your life expectancy rate is much lower than if you were white. So now let's start again since you just died. Assume you're lucky and you survive at the age of seven or so. Again, if you're lucky, you'll start school, Your parents will probably have been saving for the past few years to pay for your schooling because it's not free, pay for not only a school tuition, but pay for your books and your school uniform By the age of 10 if you're an average South African black you'll have dropped out, or maybe you wait until you're 13, but you would have gone to school steadily from the age of seven, because the money isn't always there to continue to go to school or the school is overcrowded and there's just not room enough for everyone. At the age of 16 comes a new point in your life. You are now considered an adult by the South African government and dangerous. You are given a pass as a symbol of the danger you represent. A pass which every South African black must carry at all times, even if walking from the house to go to the train. Failure to produce the pass means that you are subject to arrest and jail. You must have this pass because the government fears your free movement in the country. If you live in the rural reserve and your mother is a domestic in town, working for a white family, you need a pass to go visit her and you can't stay overnight. You'll have to make some other arrangement to spend the night somewhere because she lives in a white area. Friends of mine have in fact stayed sometimes overnight with their mothers who worked as domestics and they were hidden there, hidden children. If you want a job, you go to the Influx Control Administration, which has a list of jobs available. If the jobs are farm jobs, that will be your job probably for the rest of your life because once you're tracked, that's your track that you will stay on. Farm jobs are the worst paid. You can't bargain for a better job. And it makes it easy for the farmers to continue to pay low wages because they don't have to in a sense compete with industry because the Influx Control Administration is channeling people there. That's the result of the political power in the white population of the farming group. The government could decide in fact to channel labor away from them, but it wants to continue to receive their votes. When you marry, you might not be able to live with your wife or your husband, because you will have jobs in separate places. Maybe the job will be in the reserve farming. Maybe the job will be as a domestic. Maybe the job will be an industry. Maybe the job will be in the mines, but it is difficult to live together. People do manage and people often do it illegally, but it is difficult. Now imagine that you're not a South African this time white, you're born alive, you will live your chief danger in your youth is death by drowning in a swimming pool. That is the major cause of child mortality among whites. You go to school, you don't have to worry about fees even though your family is rich. Just because they're rich, you don't worry about fees. There are no fees for whites, your school books are free. After high school and everyone, most everyone completes high school. You think about going on to university, but you don't have to because there's a job out there waiting for you because whites get job first. The unemployment rate for whites is 1%. The unemployment rate for Africans right now is about 27%. It may be higher, that figure is from 77 and things have gotten worse than 77 for African. If you go to work after high school, as a white, it's a good chance to get job training. Again, makes university not quite as important and a good salary. The salary is in fact for say, bus drivers, white bus drivers are much higher than the salaries, comparable salaries for bus drivers in Europe, because one needs to maintain what is known in South Africa as civilized standards for whites. In order to keep them civilized, they have to pay them high wages otherwise they might lose their civilization. A large number of whites about 50% are wealthy enough to employ a servant. It doesn't take a great deal of wealth. It takes about $40 a month, but will then cook, clean and in fact, help raise your children. At Christmas you'll send her home for a week to visit her family. Often sending her with castoff clothing for her children and maybe some Christmas presents and food if you're a particularly generous. The income if you wanna just take, go back to the income figures for whites in South Africa, the per capita income is 2,500 Rand, which is about equivalent of a dollar a year for black rural people it's 100 grand a year. And for urban blacks its 300 I think 85, I don't recall the figure right now. The question then you should wonder about is what makes South Africa so sick? Why is the racism in South Africa so pervasive, so entrenched, it's entrenched by law. In fact, there was once a case trying to bring up sort of the separate but equal argument in the United States, the brown vs board of education, the court in South Africa rule that not only was separation legal, but did not have to provide equality of facilities, even segregated facilities. So they have ruled that separation, segregation and inequality is perfectly acceptable and legal. You must ask yourself, do white South Africans have a special capacity for racism, is that they're in some way, cut off from the rest of the world down there in Southern Africa, where they didn't receive the enlightenment period because they moved there in the 1700 and early 1800. I would suggest that there is no particularly South African capacity for racism that racism arises out of a particular political and economic system that fosters the growth and maintenance of racism, that it is not a cultural attribute. And there's certainly not a biological gene for racism. So let me give you a bit about South Africa's political economy. The first whites arrived in 1652, interestingly, somewhat parallel to the first whites arriving in North America. They arrived to set up way stations for ships rounding the Cape. Gradually, but not until in fact, a 100 or more years later, they moved inland and up the coast to colonize the country. And now they began to confront Africans in wars and to seize the land and their cattle away from them to colonize the country. Season in fact, the means of production and pushing the Africans onto the least desirable parts of the country. And then they made laws about what the Africans could even do in their areas because the Africans saw a growing market and began to produce for the market in competition with whites, arrogant, very arrogant. The whites then passed laws saying that Africans could only market in certain places and certain types of food. So because they were afraid of the white farmers wanna control and then in the 1800s something new happened, gold was discovered. Diamonds were discovered and they needed labor. The whites needed labor and the African said, \"Not me, not in those mines, that's not safe.\" And the wage were poultry. So then they passed a law saying that everybody had to pay a hut tax as it was called. And had to be paid in cash. Where could you get cash? They cut off the markets. You could go cash by working for the whites and so they began to get labor. Labor that was in one sense forced it wasn't given an opportunity to develop its own because it didn't control the means of production. And it didn't control the government, which made the laws about such things as hut taxes. The discovery of gold was especially important. It is what has been said about the gold in South Africa, South Africa is filthy rich and gold, it is, but that gold just happens to be geologically located in such a way that it is very expensive to get that gold out. The only way to make it worthwhile would be to have your labor super exploited. In other words, pay them almost nothing. In fact, one geographer said that if that gold were in the black hills, it would still not be touched today that it would not have been mined. Think of it South Africa's gold, not mined. That gold is mined because of the cheapness of black labor, but you can imagine once the black labor has got to the mines they weren't interested in that being kept down is cheap labor. They began to revolt and there were strikes in the '90s in the teens and the '40s and off and on, and in the 70s or particular period, high periods of African strikes at the mines, you need to be able to control the labor. So by keeping it oscillating, migrating back and forth by keeping the families away, you're done with build up a stable, urban population on the mines. You have people coming from all areas, even from outside the country to diffuse the ability to organize politically, to organize for change and to keep your labor costs down by having a large supply of labor, they used all of Southern Africa as a reserve for labor, and also by forcing the Africans in South Africa to live only on the reserves from which they could not gain a decent living. You forced them to come work for wages because there was no other choice. U.S companies moved in and they moved in and they moved in in bigger ways. As I said, there was profit to be made. U.S companies in South Africa had traditionally received a profit of almost 20%, which is compared with a worldwide average of U.S corporations. This is corporations active both in the United States, as well as overseas of 11%. South Africa was indeed a gold mine. The racism interestingly enough, if one looks at South Africa's history developed as the need to control Africans developed the ideology of inferiority. The ideology of we are civilized and they are uncivilized did not exist in a strong form. It exists in a very mild form when the first whites arrived in the country and it grew developed and hardened as whites needed the Africans more, but were afraid of their political strength and were afraid in fact of their need for them. Remember that the whites in South Africa are only 15% of the population. So they establish rigid laws to maintain and buttress white control. And with it, the consequences of a high living standard for whites and a control over their environment, they denied blacks political and economic rights, the right to vote, the right to free movement, the right to free press. The right to organize was severely limited by what are known as the security laws. Let me tell you a bit about some of these security laws, but they might intrigue you. At first well-known one is the suppression of communism act. Well, a lot of us, a lot of people think that that's not a bad idea. The definition of communism is often sometimes close to what Ronald Reagan talks about when he talks about like communists and the anti-nuc movement. Communist in South Africa and this is the legal definition. This isn't just an interpretation of how they've used the law. A communist is someone who seeks to bring hostility between the races. I would suggest that the government should declare themselves all communists. But of course their meaning is people who say, \"Enough of white racism let's get on with \"a little harmony in this country.\" So someone who fosters hostility between the races or someone who seeks fundamental economic, social, or political change, I would then stand accused of being a communist. And I would hope all of you would too join me. That wasn't enough though, that couldn't get everybody that they wanted to do away with, or they weren't sure it could because they do follow their laws fairly carefully. They are illegal system. What they've allowed their laws to allow them to do is something else. There's a terrorism act again, terrorists terrible. A terrorist according to the terrorism act, this was passed in '67. The laws are becoming increasingly repressive says anyone is a terrorist who embarrasses the government. So potentially if you made a moon phase to the prime minister, you be a terrorist. Then there are the detention laws. This makes it legal. It makes it all very comfortable and nice to detain anyone. If you think they have something you might want to know, and you may detain them indefinitely without recourse to lawyers, you might also detain them without telling anyone you've detained them. And in the aftermath of the Soweto rebellion in 1976, when a lot of young people were being killed, parents didn't know if their children had been killed and were hide. And I'm talking about heaped in the Soweto Police Station. That's what they did with the people who were killed for collection or if they were detained, or if they had fled the country in fear of detention. In fact, one man I know who lives here in the United States now, Dennis Brutus is a well well-known poet who was facing deportation because he annoys the American government. They've trumped up a charge that he's violated his visa when they admit themselves that it was the U.S government that made it almost impossible for him to live by the conditions of his visa. Anyway, Dennis Brutus had been detained by the South Africans, but they were taking him across town. And he'd been picked up in Portuguese Mozambique when it was still a Portuguese colony. So everyone thought he was free because he was out of the country already. But he'd been picked up and returned to South Africa by collaboration between the Portuguese and the South Africans. And he was afraid that since no one knew he was in detention, he could be easily done away with. So what did he do? He staged an escape in downtown Johannesburg at rush hour 'cause that's when he happened to be transported into the prison, knowing that he would be shoot but hoping that they would shoot to stop him. So he was shot in the back, but they just winged him in the shoulder to bring them down. And he is now alive and teaching at Northwestern where he is a tenured professor of English, though he may leave the country shortly. Where does the United States fit into this? Because what I've described by and large so far is a South African initiated system and a South African supportive system. I would like to suggest to you that South Africa's continued existence is dependent in part on the support of the United States and its Western allies. South Africa in fact, would not be able to survive without Western and U.S support. I'm afraid though that we will never be able to prove my allegation because I do not see the West and the U.S withdrawing their official support. That is not to say though, that there aren't things we can do to undermine that support. And I'll be talking about that in a few minutes. What are the ties between the United States and South Africa that help the South African government? United States engages in trade, offers loans and makes investments in South Africa, we have the honor of being South Africa's number one trading partner. We, and that includes military sales and the United States used to be number two or three. We moved up to first place several years ago, secondly, and perhaps even more significantly than the trade is investment. We have upwards of $2 billion invested in South Africa. As the repression has increased, as apartheid has become more severe, the investment has soared. So one cannot say that we are doing much to make South Africa better. U.S investors are not in any way different or better than South African investors. In the last 10 years, U.S investment has increased six fold. It is there I would argue because it is attracted by apartheid. It is not there in spite of apartheid. It is there and let me tell you, it is attracted by apartheid because apartheid can mean low wages and high profit. It can also mean a market that you don't wanna lose to the Japanese or the French or someone else. So they're there to guarantee for themselves a good return and to make sure that somebody else doesn't get that good return. They're there in South Africa in collaboration with the government and when corporations try and send this spokespeople around and say, \"As the government we deplore apartheid.\" And you can hear them say that all the time, we deploy apartheid, but you always get the but in there. I would say they deplore apartheid, but they're all under close government supervision. The South African law requires that if the military in South Africa wants to buy your company's trucks, your first firm equipment, such as polarized equipment, your computers, if you are there in South Africa with a plant, you are required by law to sell to them. You cannot say I don't sell to the South African military. You can say, I don't currently sell to the South African military, but you could be lying because the South African law also says that certain kinds of military transactions are secret. So you can't get a hard and fast assurance, a fair amount of information does trickle out by people supportive of the liberation struggle. So we do find out things that they would rather we didn't know but we don't find out everything. If a worker gives you trouble in your plant South African government will help you out and detain them. That happened with a man named Pieter Williem Botha, Pieter Williem Botha was a worker at the Ford Plant in Port Elizabeth. He was organized and if you can believe it for something Ford already said that they were given desegregated cafeterias and equal pay for equal work. That is if you were working at the same job as a white, which was very unlikely. They went on strike the black workers. Ford fired Pieter Williem Botha I told him he had a choice, keep his job or stop his political organizing. He said, I wanna do both they fired him. The black workforce went on strike. Ford finally agreed to meet the demands of the black workforce, including re-instating Pieter Williem Botha. They agreed to consider them. They didn't agree necessarily to follow through on everything. And lo and behold, the day after the strike ended, Pieter Williem Botha was picked up by the security police. Did Ford motor plant protest? In fact, we know that U.S consulate visited Ford Motor Plant and talked with their officials and the South African government has also in fact, been holding secret meetings with the major auto companies in Port Elizabeth 'cause they're all concentrated there. It's like the Detroit of South Africa talking to them and giving them advice on how to deal with trade unions. In Lesotho, the South army came in and killed 40 refugees, men, women, children, and Lesotho citizens that they said they believe were coming into South Africa to attack the country. I know from my research there that Lesotho harbors only refugees now active gorillas. It was in a sense to terrorize Lesotho, and just sending those refugees further away so that South African government wouldn't even have to get nervous about them. U.S investment is in strategic areas. They're not only in a sense collaborating with the government because the government requires collaboration. They're in strategic areas, significant, not in other words in size only, but by type. They're in computers, which helped track people and their past and their movements around the country and make South African industry more competitive internationally. United States provides nuclear technology. We have United States government if we can talk about the U.S government as we, a nuclear cooperation agreement with South Africa under the old Atoms for Peace campaign for the exchange of scientific personnel and the training of South Africans, that treaty was renewed under president Carter. It was established under president Eisenhower, U.S companies sell nuclear material to South Africa. Also they're very heavily into vehicles, primarily cars, but also Jeeps. And under a particular agreement with the auto industries, the South African government requires that they turn their plants over to military production in the event of a large scale internal disturbance. Oil the only natural resource that's important that South Africa lacks the United States corporations help provide in terms of by trading. Also, we've been doing a lot of oil exploration, hoping against hope that the South Africans will be able to find it. Here's an ad from the South African press about Caltex California... What is it? Standard Oil of California, Caltex Fuels and Lubricants smoothed the way for South Africa on the move to plan and prepare for South Africa of the future. They're proud. They stymied the international oil boycott, mobile defends itself. It says, this is a mobile quote, \"Denial of supplies to the police and military \"of a host country is consistent with an image \"of responsible citizenship in that country.\" The great book of police and military work in South Africa is for the maintenance of public order and safety. In another area we make loans. South Africa needs the loans because of the increased cost of oil. It has to buy oil on the spot market and illegally because of the oil boycott of oil producing countries. South Africa also needs loans because of its increased military expenditure to put down a black rebellion domestically and to fund its war in the country in illegally occupies the country called Namibia. Where does Reagan fit in? These things I'm talking about by the way, are not particular to President Reagan. He didn't initiate the ties, but he has strengthened them. He was the man, the first man, since I think World War II to invite the South African foreign minister to sit down with him. To invite the South African foreign minister to the United States, he was the man who said in an interview with Walter Cronkite, \"Can we abandon a country that stood beside us \"in every war that we have ever fought?\" Some of the South African leaders today were in prison during World War II for not just being Nazi supporters, but for in fact, engaging in sabotage against the South African position, which was in Alliance against Pittsburgh Germany. Sorry. He gave entry visas to a rugby team. You may have heard about the rugby team, the tour that team included four soldiers and two white policeman. Jeane Kirkpatrick of the United Nations invited the head of what is the equivalent of the CIA to sit down and have a chat with her afterwards she said, she didn't know who he was. She's not incompetent she ought to be fired. We're talking about selling enriched uranium. You need to enrich uranium for bombs. There is the restrictions on arm sales saying that, as I said earlier, that helicopters are used in South Africa are dual purpose for humanitarian purposes. You can use them in war against other gorillas and you can use them in a humanitarian way to transport the sick and dying soldiers of your side. Let me give you another quote, Alexander Haig, \"The Reagan administration welcomes the opportunity \"to improve relations between \"the United States and South Africa. \"Let us then build on these shared interests \"and let us talk as friends. \"Most importantly, let this be the beginning \"of mutual trust and confidence \"between the United States and South Africa, \"old friends together again \"like minister Botha for getting on. The South Africans appreciate this connection. John Forrester, who has been prime minister, South Africa recently said, \"Each trade agreement, each bank loan, \"each new investment is another brick in the wall \"of our continued existence.\" United States support for South Africa is not including it going on just at the federal level. In a sense you could say it's going on at the state level, the local level. Right here in Iowa, you have things going on. Those of you who heard me earlier, will hear this again. South Africans consider Iowa threatening. They sent money to defeat Senator Clark and his reelection campaign because Senator Clark is a strong supporter of the movement to free South Africa from its own internal repression. They sent that money to his opponent, Mr. Jepson. Information comes I believe from the former Secretary of Information Eschel Rhoodie, who when he lost his pulse for a whole variety of illegal things he did that shocked even white South Africans began to blab around the world about what he'd done in order to win himself a more sympathetic audience and maybe to write a book. So right here in Iowa, there has been a South African presence. In Massachusetts when we were lobbying for our bill who comes trotting up to Massachusetts paid lobbyists for the South African government, who were these paid lobbyists? It's a lobby firm headed by a former Senator from Florida and a representative from Missouri. They lobby for the South African government. They took on the contract and then someone else could have. Right here in Iowa, there's a state pension fund, which has investments in U.S companies that are in South Africa. I would suggest that you take a move towards divestment. And let me say why, first there's the immediate even if the bill passes, educational effect, you're teaching people about South Africa and about U.S corporations in South Africa. And that's important because the more people know about South Africa, the more they may begin to understand about racism, which is a regular in our own society that needs to be wiped out. Also, the more they will begin to oppose the policies of conservative U.S governments that maintain ties. Divestment is also important because we can make a difference when we are successful. Bank loans have begun to dry up for the South African government in this country. They have to pay higher rates for bank loans because everyone considered South Africa a difficult place to have a bank loan and bank loans are fairly easy to deal with because it's not like you have the whole investment right there or a plant in South Africa, it's easy to pull out a bank loan or to say no more new bank loans, not so much to pull it out, but no more new bank loans. In fact, the minister of finance in South Africa said when he was on a tour in the late 70s, that he had found the financial climate for new loans and he was seeking new loans, decidedly IC in the United States. I thought that was just wonderful. I mean, not only did I think it was wonderful, but I said, we're really having an effect. We're putting pressure on the South African government that they see. And that's just from groups of church people, university students, unions, certainly not from the United States government they're believe in wagon a car in front of them ever try wagon and car in front of Hitler. New investment in fact has been curtailed a bit. Again, this is according to the South African. So people are not eager to put great gobs of new investment in. It's still going in, but not at the same rate as they had hoped. Other states in Iowa have done so have divested and they haven't lost money. And the states aren't just like Massachusetts. They're on the East coast with all those liberals, the people who voted against Nixon back in Massachusetts we used to have these bumper stickers. Don't blame me. I'm from Massachusetts. This was the only state that he didn't get in his second time running. Nebraska divested the state of Nebraska. Minnesota has got a bill. Montana's got a bill up this year. Michigan has divested in large part. A number of cities have divested, universities divested in different areas. The American Lutheran Church has divested. It's not something that just other folks do or just some kind of hetty liberals, people you don't know, people like yourselves. So the problem isn't only in South Africa, it's not only in Washington DC. The problem is here. You can do something for South Africa. And in a sense, something for yourselves, you can say to those corporations and to the U.S government, no more of the support for racism. We demand corporations and a government that are socially responsible that treat human beings as human beings and not as laborers and labor appendages to laborers an end to that at a beginning to justice. Thank you. I'd be happy to take comments, questions, serious questions, hard questions. I don't mind how tough they are. I've worked through this for a long time and I stand by it as an intellectual solution, as well as a sort of gut reaction emotional solution, yes.\r\n\r\n- Maybe you talked about this earlier today, but I had heard that at one point in earlier history, South African whites justified or somehow rationalize their racism with some biblical argument of this sectors that God put on some tribe. And therefore it was a sin that it didn't discriminate.\r\n\r\n- I believe that someone else might know better than myself. So I've never paid much attention to the rationalizations. I've been trying to analyze the reasons for their rationalizations. I believe that's the story of ham. I don't remember that ham was supposed to be the swarthy one, which they interpreted to me in the blacks and he was cast out, I believe, am I right? And therefore the other ones were supposed to stay home and run things. And that was their biblical justification. There are other ones that they use to, and one found by the way, those same justifications in the U.S South in the 1960s. I remember it, even though I was a mere youth at the time.\r\n\r\n- Are those attitudes still use down there?\r\n\r\n- They are, but they are primarily in the form of justification that you have something. In fact, they believe, they call themselves Christian nationalists. And it's terrible thing when a group with the policies that they have take upon themselves the mantle of being Christians and they believe that some of the justifications that we are civilizing them, that they were just out of the trees. 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questions,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36593/file/105678#t=2356.46,2358.63"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36593/file/105678/transcript/22622/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've enjoyed my stay here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36593/file/105678#t=2358.63,2361.43"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36593/file/105678/transcript/22622/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And thank you, Iowa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36593/file/105678#t=2361.43,2364.353"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36593/file/105678/transcript/22622/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(clapping)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36593/file/105678#t=2364.353,2366.603"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36593/file/105678/transcript/22622/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did bring along for those of you who weren't here 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The justification's shift over time. The latest justification isn't that the Africans are less intelligent, less whatever, less civilized. The latest justification is simply that they are different and the differences are so great in culture and history, in language. That we should be separate, they should have their separate countries the Bantustans and we'll have ours. They can run their Bantustans any way they want as long as we make sure that they've got the right leaders, which they've done they manipulate the elections that exist in these Bantustans. No one votes in the elections but even of those who don't vote they can't be sure that they won't vote right. Like I saw the elections in one of the Bantustans and they don't do like they've done in India and other places you don't have symbols. So that the illiterate, which is much of the population in the Bantustans couldn't decide for themselves, no you have an election officer a white election officer saying, \"Well, this is Mr. Matanzima and this is his opponent, \"now, do you want Mr. Matanzima don't you?\" They're free and fair, the human rights such and secretary for human rights in this U.S government. Elliot Abrams, someone told me, I do say that South African government this was in their annual review of human rights around the world had free and fair elections but they were only for whites. Takes your breath away. So that's the latest justification they use all of the kinds of ones, that look at the Africans in the rest of Africa, they're poor too. Well, I would be if I lived in the country that was semi-arid and you couldn't grow crops and only had diamond mines which South Africans run which is Botswana's case. If I lived in South Africa that argument wouldn't hold water. I want freedom and equality in my own country, I'm not worried about the Botswana's problems I'm worried about my own in South Africa. So the shift. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I'm a South African and . But what I wanted to know is the fact that it's a known fact that the American government in it's global concerns over rights, the of democracy for which it stands here. And we find that that's a bit less happening in our country, that because of the Soviet threat because of a strategic mineral like uranium they don't care about us the people whether we survive or not. All they're interested in are their investment and the strategic mineral. So what I want to know is what's the ultimate course of disinvestment. What is it that you hope to achieve as kind of host to the strong type especially the president administration has instituted?\r\n\r\n- The divestment movement is trying has two arguments for what it's trying to achieve. One argument is that we believe it is one of the most effective ways of putting pressure on South Africa and also have withdrawing that strategic support. Withdrawing the support for the computer programs, withdrawing the support for the nuclear programs getting the United States companies to withdraw so that they're no longer involved in the turning their plants over for military operations and so forth and so on. That's part of the argument, it just seems a key thing. We've taken on a hard strategy. We've had some success, I emphasize the success because people often think it looks hope hopeless, but we've had some success. The other part of our argument other than the immediate logic of it is that, and I'm sure you can speak to this better than I can, that leaders of black South African organizations and of multi-racial organizations have said divest, get out. I'd like you to know that the South African government considers is so important that it is written under the Terrorism Act, that famous one about embarrassing people, that it is treason to say in any way that you support divestment or economic sanctions against South Africa. So as the Polaroid People did, when they went to South Africa to do an investigation into whether they should continue to sell Polaroid equipment to South African government, they came back and said people weren't in favor of divestment. But the movements that are illegal and that are underground and like the African National Congress and the Pan-Africanist Congress have said we want to see divestment. Albert Luthuli, Nobel Peace Prize winner said before his death that we know the divestment will bring increased suffering in the short run in South Africa and mind you U.S corporations only provide 1% of the jobs in South Africa. But if it brings one day closer the ending of our suffering, we wanna see an end to your economic support for the system. Those movements, the ANC, the PAC have widespread support in surveys done in South Africa, among blacks. They always come out as the representatives of the people mind you people aren't asked, do you support the ANC because it's illegal to support the ANC in South Africa. So if the survey show that there some people are supportive of the ANC. It's extraordinary how supportive they in fact are, but people, the surveys usually say, \"The other people you know do they support the ANC?\" So that you don't in a sense have to be responsible for saying yes, I support the ANC and they find overwhelmingly again and again that Nelson Mandela is the most respected leader in the country. Bishop Desmond Tutu, the head of the multi-racial South African Council of Churches has had his passport withdrawn on several occasions for supporting divestment. He doesn't come out and say it. He always says, \"Well, you know if I said it, \"I could be put to death in my own country, \"but let me say this about your divestment movements, \"South Africans look upon it as a good thing.\" Or another time he said, \"We don't want our chains made more comfortable \"by such things as equal employment \"and desegregated facilities in your plants. \"We want our chains removed.\" Yes.\r\n\r\n- On the topic of political relations, don't you think that the U.S government would lose leverage if we withdrew relations with the South African government?\r\n\r\n- That would be true, if one believed... That would be true in any situation where you believe you can move that government. If that government for internal reasons looks unmovable then by offering them concessions, offering them carrots as well as sticks in order to push a little in a direction. If that's not gonna achieve anything then you should stop offering them carrots and sticks and start offering assistance to the liberation movement. And I would suggest that the history of U.S sort of trying to push South Africa has been an abysmal failure. It's a South Africa law in general has become more oppressive. The only changes you see are changes which are in response to the uprising of blacks. For example, in the trade unions trade unions have become incredibly effective areas. They were illegal, massive strikes in 1973. At first, they were clever they didn't want their leadership jailed. They said we have no leaders, you're gonna have to negotiate with us as a group. And there would be these long drawn out meetings where people would stand up and speak in a meeting and would come to a group consensus in order to deal with management became more difficult though and there were strikes again in the mid 70s and late 70s. the government and the corporations wanted particularly the corporations wanted a stable labor force. So they said, how about some kind of legal unions as long as they don't get very political. So they now have offered black unions the right to be registered, but the registration says that you can get no assistance from outside the country, money from outside the country without the approval of the government. You can only go on strike after about a year of negotiations through a government body which then authorizes a strike because the management has been unresponsive to your reasonable concerns and your leadership, your books have to be open and your leadership cannot be engaged in any non-trade union oriented activity. So if you're also as a trade union leader fighting in a general sense for black equality you disqualify yourself as a trade union leader that has been looked upon as a liberalization. And sometimes U.S government says, look see they are liberalizing it's an effort to channel the political movement into more narrow economic gains slight increases in wages by having a strong trade union but a very narrowly based trade union. The unions right now are deliberating on if there's something to be gained by working within the system and then trying to subvert it in a way. But basically things have become harsher and the United States and even some of the conservative writers about U.S South African relations conceive that we have seen no concessions. We've been trying to be pleasant to the South African government over Namibia in order to encourage them to divest themselves of Namibian allowing Namibia to be free. We've improved relations with the South African government specifically saying that we're doing this in order to show our good faith and you'll show a little good faith on your side. The South Africans have become harder and harder on Namibia.\r\n\r\n- But on that point don't you think it could possibly get worse, if we withdrew ourselves from ?\r\n\r\n- As I said there are governments with which if you sort of engage in dialogue and pressure and carrots and all that kind of range of stuff, it can work. There are governments that it doesn't work with Chamberlain in 1938 was it? Tried to negotiate with Hitler, we'll give you a little bit more of land as long as you agree not to attack the rest of us. It didn't work, that wasn't the nature of the government. The South African government, if you wanna think about it this way is continues to exist because it guarantees to the whites in the country control. Control that makes them feel that they can maintain their way of life economically and in other ways. If the South African government gave up, pushed for any changes, it would lose power and a new right wing government further that the right would come to power because it is beholden to one group in the population. It's very difficult to get it to be beholden to another group. We could if we wanted to use all our power, push it but we don't wanna use all our power to push it because it is comfortable for the U.S government and corporations, they're anticommunist. In fact, another incredible thing, the South African government recently said in response to its criticism towards rights in Lesotho said, \"United States government has agreed with us \"that we are to be the equivalent \"of the United States in Latin America. \"We are to be that equivalent in Southern Africa \"to control the region, to keep it stable \"and as non-communist as possible.\" And South Africa because of a whole range of economic and other links in the region has in fact worked to do that. Not so much for the United States interests so that's rather nice because then it keeps the United States friendly but for its own interests as well because it doesn't want those countries in a sense assisting the liberation movements. So it's an anticommunist government, wealthy country a country open to American investments, a stable country. And I would suggest that the United States likes itself unfortunately. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- I have a friend who's a white South African and he spent a year in a military prison for refusing to go into the military and he's lived in the United States for approximately two years. So he's had an experience in both cultures and he said something to me in seeing parallels between our countries that I didn't want to accept, to believe, but he says historically, South Africa is a caricature in the United States. Same kind of enslavement to black people, the same kind of killing of indigenous people in an expansion movement by pioneers. One of the big differences is that we more curly killed off indigenous people than South Africans, the whites did in South Africa. So when he looked two countries and he has lived as well, he says, \"I have a lot more hope for a real change \"in my country's concepts of human rights, human dignity \"than I have a real change in the United States,\" he said, \"In our country, racism is overt, it's legal \"and you can just practically raise your hand \"and you're breaking a law \"that will challenge the whole system of apartheid. \"United States the racism \"and the human oppression is much more subtle \"and our ghettos are in the third world.\" And so when he looks at it he says, \"I have a lot more hope for my country. \"I find in the United States \"various kinds of pathetic dying racist culture.\" Do you have any feelings from having experienced South Africa about our parallels?\r\n\r\n- I see strong parallels. There've been some recent books drawing out the parallels and the differences, very interesting books which I haven't had time to read. But from a general analytical point one can if one's looking at South Africa in terms of its need for labor and for cheap labor one can look at slavery obviously in this country. For the plantations in this country, people have said that the plantation system would not have been like that without slave labor. One of the differences is that the United States I believe the wealth of the United States has been built on the backs of workers but that is included whites as well as blacks. But the two groups have been used against each other, one finds similar things in South Africa of the colors being used against the Africans. They're mixed race people, historically... In Boston where there was a great deal of racism and what struck her and what she had not realized was the extent of the continuation of racism. She had believed initially that, or had hoped that once when dealt, did away with a legal structure and the narrow legalities of only whites being able to vote that one would undermine racism. One would be chipping away instead at one layer and an important prop for racism, but it would continue because there is excess labor in the United States. And so one finds one population that bears a particular brand for it. And then it doesn't worry the rest of the population quite so much. I found an incredible quote. again, I mentioned it, I believe earlier today, Alan Guttmacher one of the most famous people in family planning, head of I believe the Planned Parenthood Federation in this country said in his book about pregnancy and childbirth, that if it weren't for the black population, we would have the best infant mortality rate in the world. Sort of like the black population is the problem is sort of scapegoating the black population. In fact, we're sort of like number 13 or 14 in the world because of the inequality in this country. Other comments?\r\n\r\n- From what I've read about South Africa, is that white South Africans were descendants of the British like to think that they aren't very racist at all. In fact it's the Afrikaners who are lower socioeconomic classes. And they like to say things like capitalism is color blind, .\r\n\r\n- You're interested in the comment on it.\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Okay. That in fact is part of, there are two main traditions in analysis of South Africa. One of them is what I call the liberal English tradition and the other one is what I call the political economy tradition. The liberal English tradition is exactly what she said that the Afrikaners for cultural reasons historical reasons are the problem as a people. The political economy explanation tries to be a bit more subtle. It acknowledges that Afrikaners tend to be harsher in their race relations but they label it not history and culture and so forth but they label it politically economy. In the sense that the Afrikaner's because the English control of the economy of South Africa and the English preference for their own kind, the Afrikaners were not able to move up to the highest levels of society. And they were the ones most threatened by black equality. The whites were not as immediately threatened by black equality. And so the Afrikaners when they came to power instituted much more harsh laws in order to save themselves. But what has happened more recently is that the Afrikaners and English, now that the Afrikaners have been empowered they've done away with some of that inequality between Afrikaners and English through their control of the government. And now both groups relatively equal, relatively turn around and say we've gotta worry about the blacks together. United we must stand or divided we will fall. Other questions or comments please.\r\n\r\n- I've heard every little now and then about American musicians that believe come out of South Africa, and I've just heard now and then. Can you give me more information on that? I know about a few in particular that do but do you know any more about that?\r\n\r\n- That is the newest aspect of in a sense the boycott movement is a cultural boycott. There is the economic boycott, there's been this athletic boycott, and now there's the cultural boycott and the South Africans call for a boycott period, but those are the main aspects. The cultural boycott, there's a very good article if you receive Southern Africa magazine, or if you can find someone who does or I could Xerox a copy has excellent three or four articles in it in the current issue, January February about the cultural boycott. It was started primarily in the black community in this country, when it got really going particularly the National Black United Front disturbed by the trend, some black entertainers to increasingly go to South Africa. Now the South Africans will arrange integration for a night so that they can off everyone can feel comfortable and say this isn't really apartheid South Africa. And two boycott South entertainers both black and white who got us out of there. But the black community was particularly concerned led by National Black United Front with the symbolism of blacks going and saying, I don't mind being in South Africa, but that was particularly disturbing to the black community's own sense of self-respect. And also the image that South Africa would then have I mean, not only are white entertainers coming but black entertainers feel comfortable in South Africa. And it's been aided on the other side by South Africans by it, particularly by a group called AZAPO of young people who boycott Americans who come to South Africa. Ray Charles had to cut his tour short in South Africa because no one would come to his concerts. And that's quite a thing because people like Ray Charles in South Africa and he has also faced pickets in the United States. There is now a list being circulated of entertainers who go to South Africa asking particularly college audiences to refuse to invite them to perform there. Is that a fairly easy way of putting pressure on it's harder to do it with the pre-sales at Madison Square Garden or something. It's also an effective way to reach out to a new group of people, people who are really into music and who can come to understand apartheid through a cultural boycott. Did you wanna add something to that?\r\n\r\n- No.\r\n\r\n- Just trying to think of what else to say about it. And there are entertainers who have gone once and have faced pressure. Education's, the pressure often is polite because entertainers live in a very different world at least the top ones for most of us. And they often think just about their music or their other kind of thing and don't pay too much about where they are. If this is Wednesday, this must be demoing and so the effort has been to educate them, talk to them about South Africa. And then once that has been done. Okay, if you continue to go, you can not say it was out of ignorance, out of thinking it was just something like segregation. You couldn't use the same drinking fountain, that's more serious than that. Please.\r\n\r\n- Did the government in my country as that they're in power because of the cars they possess. That we don't have the means of betterment because of the owners of the cars. Now what I'm trying to ask is is there any hope for any drastic change? Once we have continued military support paralleling perhaps divestment, what hope is there? Because the military support as you mentioned is either from Israel, France, Britain with the recent Cooper Nuclear Plant with the enriched coming from America with this six technician coming from America American trade, nuclear technologist. Now that's some increased military support so as to make sure we stay where we are. So what I want to know is what hope is there of a change?\r\n\r\n- That's a really hard question. I have seen governments and colonial governments collapse that I thought would be there for a long time, such as in Mozambique or in Angola. And they've collapsed for a number of reasons for Portugal Portuguese soldiers no longer wanted to die in the colonies because the death rate was becoming high. The liberation movement was becoming strong and Portugal wanted to join in with the European Common Market. But because it had such a repressive government at home such bad policies abroad. People want a Portugal to clean up its own act before it would allow it to join in. The liberty movement was strong, it had rear basis in Tanzania and Zambia and other countries where people get training supplies and rest. It had large rural areas where the Portuguese had not been which strengthened the liberation movements. They could liberate territories, gain increased support and then move for the South and put pressure on the Portuguese. So what I'm suggesting by that as way of illustration is it takes a variety of things. It takes a growing capacity to wage an armed struggle against more strongly armed power. It takes a tremendous, it's a learning experience there is no other country similar to South Africa. There are no rural areas, remote areas where the South African white power does not extend in very important ways. Rear basis as I was suggesting with the example of Lesotho, cannot exist outside the country of neighboring States. So it is going to be hard, some of the things that are going to make it... And the whites are settlers there, they're not colonialists who can go back home, they're going to fight. In fact, the foreign minister of South Africa said we will be like the Jews at Masada. We will rather commit suicide than turn our country over to the other side. Masada it was to the Romans, they committed suicide rather than to become under Roman occupation. Which is rather frightening when you think about that, that really represents a will to control. What I think will help bring change and I can't say when this will happen will be an international economy that does not support South Africa strongly. And that can be by international recessions as well as a withdrawal of economic support and more effective oil boycott would be wonderful, it is already hurting South Africa now. Increase guerilla strength, but another thing that's happened recently, that is great is that it wasn't until the mid 70s, that Mozambique and Angola became free of Portuguese colonialism. There was a weak colonial power the most backward state in Western Europe spending 50% of its government budget on running these wars. And yet they couldn't be ousted, they finally were but if you couldn't get rid of Portugal out of Angola and Mozambique until 1974. Imagine how much more difficult it is with the South Africans who were settlers, not colonialists and who have a stronger military, but they got out. And the celebrations in South Africa, there were all over the country for the freedom of Mozambique, we fought the Portuguese and we forced them out. Together with the international economic tensions that Portugal was facing, together with the young Portuguese soldiers who didn't wanna fight. That will not be as true though for the young South African white soldiers they continue on the whole fight. Also the war in Namibia will weaken South Africa as it becomes stronger, it will make it more difficult for South African to fight two wars on two fronts. The military service for whites is already causing tension in the economy, as well as among whites. Now for South African white men go for two years of continuous service followed by 10 years of two months I believe every year where they are on active duty not where they may be called up, but where they are on a military base that hurts the economy and that distresses the white men themselves. Yes.\r\n\r\n- That has changed since last year to the age of 52.\r\n\r\n- Yeah but the call up, they are on call up up to the age of 52 but they only have to do, I think it's 10 years of active duty, but then they're on the reserves you're right. Thanks for the addition. It's putting strains on South African government. Mike, the kind of scenario I see is that the South African government faced by increasing explosions inside the country. Military ones such as the ones you mentioned, the attacks on the air force headquarters the sabotage of the air force headquarters not the whole thing, but a part of it and other strategic places. Internal strikes, one after the other coordinated around the country bringing things to a halt, international pressure which rose as the struggle in South Africa grows. The divestment movement in this country, all of a sudden exploded as a result of the Soweto rebellion. People are naturally when they see something going on that's positive say, well, now we can give it another push. So as the South African rebellion itself grows people will... Pressure on the South African government to change will also grow, And that we could have in a sense, what I call the Russian revolution model. The government loses the confidence of the people, the tsars you put in a Karinski you put in in South Africa, that would be the Helen Suzman the white opposition leader who wants a nicer form of apartheid. And who doesn't want one person, one vote in a unitary state but in separate States, rather crazy, but Helen Suzman is in an ambivalent position. She's trying to please both blacks and whites, blacks don't like Helen Suzman. The revolt will continue she will collapse because of her inability to squash them. And some form of black majority rule will come, it may come under a severely restrictive system at first such as what has happened in Zimbabwe where 4% of the population who is white controls 20% of the seats in the parliament, you need 75% of people to make major changes in the constitution. So you have to get some of those whites to go along with it, that's a restrictive constitution. It's not gonna come easy and it's not gonna come soon but one can help and one has seen changes historically that have been for an improvement and we should work for that. Not discourage, no change has come fast, we got rid of slavery in 1860 in this country, have we gotten rid of racism in 1983 in this country? But people are still working on it. I'll take just this one more question and I'm getting tired.\r\n\r\n- Back to divest, what exactly did the Massachusetts Bill do? And do you see any direct effects in companies involved?\r\n\r\n- Well, the first immediate effect we saw was it was on the front page of the Afrikaans press in South Africa, the Massachusetts Bill. It was in the English press in South Africa too I've always said, and this in turn fact proved me right it's nice to be proven right. But if you wanna follow the divestment movement you read the South African press you can learn more. The New York times had an article like this about Massachusetts divestment, front page in the South African press. So the Massachusetts Bill called for the divestment of the state pension fund from corporations involved doing business in South Africa. And to the extent possible, the reinvestment of that money and corporations providing jobs and banks providing mortgages within state that is to the extent possible. And that the divestment should occur immediately but may occur take a period of up to three years if necessary, in order to make the most money off of purchases and sales. The only error I see in our bill was that we forgot to include Namibia but that can always be rectified later. We had the support of and this was important for pension fund divestment bill. We had the support of the major recipients of the pension fund. The Massachusetts Teachers' Association was a strong lobbyist, not just support, but an actual lobbyist on behalf of the bill, the SEIU Local, the hospital workers, the clerical workers, the librarians and so forth across the state. We had the support of the major unions in the AFSCME Council 93, which is an umbrella organization for all the AFSCME locals that's state and county employees was also supportive of the bill. And then we had the support of the Archdiocese Peace and Justice Commission not the Cardinal himself key in Massachusetts. The Massachusetts Council of Churches, community groups, black organizations particularly the NAACP and TransAfrica Support Committee. TransAfrica is a national black lobby movement on behalf of African and Caribbean issues. And it took two years and that's sort of how we got it passed. We got the support of the key organizations and we slogged. We kept after the legislators, we learned who the three key people were to get that bill passed, it only took three of them. Everybody else was secondary. The president of the Senate, the speaker of the house and they had a chairperson of the Senate Ways and Means Committee. Once we neutralize them or got them on our side it was fairly clear sailing but the only way we got 'em neutralized or on our side was the support of all those organizations. We had editorials in the Boston Globe, we did talk shows, TV programs, those morning things where they bring on interesting people. We did all of that kind of thing and it took bi-weekly meetings over two years. Not everyone in the organization, it was a coalition consisting of people from these different groups and individuals came over two years to biweekly meetings but some people came the whole time, some people were there off and on. We also had, and this was important, financial analyst countering the argument that this was financially crazy, we were able to demonstrate that it was financially responsible. The State treasurer didn't agree with us but our arguments were as convincing as his and in fact more accurate and people wanted convincing arguments. So we neutralize the State treasurer who was opposed to the bill. He was opposed to the bill not only because he thought it was financially unsafe, but because he didn't like other people telling him what to do, and he's a conservative man what can one say. I'll stop there, I thank you for the questions they were good tough questions, I've enjoyed my stay here. And thank you, Iowa. I did bring along for those of you who weren't here earlier, a couple of resource list 'cause I figured there's always an opportunity to learn more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36593/file/105678#t=0.0,2395.08898"}]}]}]}