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tonight","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36617/file/105725#t=2454.24,2455.56"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36617/file/105725/transcript/22716/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I'm here tonight","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36617/file/105725#t=2455.56,2456.8"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36617/file/105725/transcript/22716/annotation/844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because we're asking the serious 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I'd like to tell you all about a movie which will be shown at 7:00 PM tomorrow night. Here in the center room of the union. It's entitled Zola. And the film is from Senegal. Tonight's speaker is Dr. Emile McaNany and his lecture is entitled. Will new technologies bring new societies to the Third World? Dr. McaNany is an associate professor in the Department of Radio-TV-Film at the University of Texas at Austin. He's a specialist in communications research and has done research in the countries of Mexico, Brazil, Guatemala and El Salvador. He's also served as a consultant in the areas of the use of communications media in health, education, agriculture and other public service areas to the national ministries of such countries as Peru South Korea, Tunisia, Spain and Zaire. He's also active in their department of Latin American studies at the University of Texas. He's a member of numerous professional organizations and is on the editorial board of two journals. He's written many works. The most recent of which are television and crisis. 10 years of network coverage of Central America. Development Ethics and Spending Communications Project. Some critical reflections, the economics of new educational media cost and effectiveness and communication and social structure critical essays and mass media research. And now I'd like you all to join me in welcoming Dr. McaNany to Iowa state.\r\n\r\n- [Dr. McaNany] Thank you very much for that introduction. And also to begin with, I want to thank the committee for inviting me here. This is my first trip to Ames, but hopefully not my last. I'm particularly happy with the topic that people picked for me. Not because most of my writing is in the area of ethics, but because most of my work being in the area of development and in communication constantly reminds me and my students of challenges, which in a sense are ethical. So I'd like to talk to you tonight Not strictly speaking about ethics, but putting it in an ethical context and talking to you about new technologies. And let me start with my title. Will new technologies create new societies in the Third World? I think the answer to that question is that it depends. And let me begin perhaps by quoting one of our More distinguished members of the development group in this country, Mr. Clawson, who is head of the world bank. I get the world bank publications every once in a while. And this was an address he gave to the board of governors of the world bank in September of this year. And I just want to read one of the small beginning sentences from his address. He says, \"we face an awesome challenge but in the age of space shuttle electronics for the masses in instant global communication, there can be no doubt that the means exists to meet this challenge.\" \"The obstacle to a decent dignified standard of living for hundreds of millions of people in the Third World, lie not so much in the halls of modern technology, as in the hesitations of those with political powers to make it possible.\" He goes on a few sentences later. He says, \"it is not that we do not have the instruments to do the job.\" \"We do have them.\" \"What is lacking is a firm commitment on the part of the international community to act while the window of opportunity is still open to us.\" So, what he is saying I think is what I want to say this evening that it is not the lack of technology that we are facing in the Third World. It is the, as he says, the hesitations of those with the political power to make it possible. And what is lacking is a firm commitment on the part of the international community to act upon this challenge. I'd like to start out with this talk Trying to make a couple of distinctions simply so that you will understand where I'm coming from. When I talk about ethics, I'm talking about some sort of a framework in which we are dealing with value questions. I am not talking about morality, which is in a sense somehow that code that each of us has in deciding what is good and bad and in a sense upon which we act. I'm keeping it for the time being in the realm of values and trying to relate it to a sense or a system of values that we may or may not share. But I thought that I might begin simply by outlining a value framework that Rawls has introduced in his book. A theory of justice was published over 10 years ago but Rawls who was a philosopher makes a kind of what he calls a sense of or a system of justice. And he has two principles. And I'd simply like to share them with you. The first one is, and he begins with a kind of what he calls a Kanchan conception of equality but his first principle says, \"each person is to have an equal right to the most extensive basic liberty compatible with a similar liberty for others.\" And his second principle is social and economic inequalities are to be arranged so that they are both, A, reasonably expected to be everyone's to everyone's advantage and B, attached to positions and offices open to all. Now, I'm not going to go into that analysis or his book but simply try to suggest to you that when I'm talking about an ethical position or ethical questions I'm talking about essentially two things. I'm talking about, a sense of justice and equality which I think underlies a fundamental approach to questions of the Third World. Certainly underline the speech of Mr. Clawson. And secondly, I'm talking about values. That is what sort of values do the new technologies challenge in our society and in other societies. So with that kind of a background I'd like to start basically with four challenges. Not that I want to challenge you on a Friday night, but why not? Let's begin with the first one. The first challenge I would say ethical challenge, is the so-called problem of the Third World. And this is a very general problem that all of us I'm sure here tonight recognize that is the growing gap the growing inequality between first-world, second-world and third-world countries. And within those countries of different groups of different classes and groups within each of those sets of countries, but especially in the Third World. So that's sort of the problem of the Third World in very general terms. And the question to that challenge, is how can it be overcome? How can we really overcome this challenge? How can we respond to this challenge? One of the ways in which people have tried to respond is the use of technology. And especially in my case the use of communication technology or what some people call the new communication technology or technologies or information technology. But then comes the second challenge. And that is the challenge of the application of those technologies in Third World context in such a way that they indeed help to solve the problem that we tried to outline in that first challenge. And really I call it a challenge because the question is have the new technologies or if you want to use the title again will the new technologies? In some sense recreate societies in the Third World in such a way that they will, in some way breach that gap or catch up or however you want to put it. I'll come back to that in a minute. The third challenge, ethical challenge, if you will is in a sense, and I wanna bring this up and I wanna put it before you is what of the new technologies themselves? That is are they in our own society, not in far away Third World societies, but in our own societies to what extent are the new technologies really benefiting the society? And to what extent are they challenging values that we may hold, or at least traditionally we have held? And finally, the fourth challenge. And I think the one that is implicit in all of your minds right now, so let me make it explicit. What can I do about this or really what even should I do about this? And I think that is the question that I would want to come back to perhaps at the end. But let me return just briefly and try to simply outline a couple of things that I feel are implicit in the first challenge the so-called Third World problem within that overall challenge are a series of other kinds of dilemmas or questions or ideas. Certainly one with which we are very acquainted because of the, you might say the commonness of the theme among people in this country is the whole question of world hunger. I know all of us have wondered about that question that and say what do we do about it? I would simply bring up what I would call an objective contradiction and it's got nothing to do directly with you and I tonight. But the fact that in 1981 $36 billion was given in international aid to Third World countries for agriculture, economic, education all sorts of kinds of development. And when one contrast $36 billion in aid in 1981 with $550 billion of money spent on armaments. I think we can understand what it means when we say that there was a contradiction in the world and it's objective it's out there. It's quantified, it's quantifiable. And I think it's something that does challenge us and needs to challenge us. The second question, perhaps in terms of that Third World problem is the question of and some of you are acquainted with it, the effort to create the New world Economic Order which grew out of the debates in the United Nations in 1974 and has gone on for the last 10 years, part of the Cancun and part of the whole North South dialogue with which I think you're acquainted. And one wonders if that is a solution to the third-world problem, or if that is totally unrealistic in the world of today given the fact that such a reordering of economic structures calls for a significant reordering not only of priorities, but ways of operating and goes contrary to at least all of the stated policies of this government in any other governments saying that they need to promote more international trade in order to strengthen the economy. That doesn't sound very much to me, like it's going to lead to a kind of reordering of the priorities according to NIEO. One other comment and that is what are the solutions? And again, I am asking these questions. I want to make clear not that I know the answers or not that you have the answers but I think it is important to ask the questions whether there are answers or not, because if one does not ask the question, then I think one falls into the kind of, well, several positions but I've noticed among my own students, students who are extremely wise in their answers but not particularly manifesting wisdom in their kind of response to the, their answers that they bring up. I remember just in the last two days that I had two students respond well I mean, that's, you know, it's imperialism no American company wants to do this. They want to rip off the Third World. Well, that is a kind of cynical response. That in a sense may be true. It may be true, but what do you do? So you sit back and you're in your graduate student lounge and, you know, forget about it and do something else. Somehow that's not, to me, the kind of a response that I'm looking for in this kind of an exercise. I'm looking for questions without necessarily single answers, but I think serious questions that do demand serious consideration. Let me make just a couple of comments about the so-called problem of the application of technology in the Third World. I think one can say without exaggeration that by and large the kinds of applications that many of you and that I am interested in have not succeeded very well. I mean, I think that's fair to say. I have done a lot of work in the area of the applications of radio and television for public service areas health, agriculture but especially education. And I think in all fairness we have to say that the record is not very positive but I want to come back to that and ask the question why? The area of, what about the new technologies and what do they mean to our so-called information society that we're moving into, we are told? What do they mean to us? And do they provide a challenge or they simply to be accepted without question? And I would say they are not and that is what human beings are about is to question things and not simply accept them without question. And finally, on the, our own response, I will say that maybe as a final response to the end of the talk but I wanted to bring it up because I feel that it's a necessary part of that. Now let me move to what I would call the more technological part of this lecture, and that is, I'd like to share with you some of the research that I've been doing this past year, almost a year in looking at a kind of technology as it told you before, I've looked a lot at radio and television that kind of technology. And I have had a fairly longstanding interest in the larger technology of satellites. And I realized that satellites communication satellites are not your typical technology certainly not your, a small technology, but it seems to me by looking at satellites and asking the question of how satellites as a major technology get absorbed into a society and actually put into a society and made to work for that society. If we look at that, we may get some idea of how technologies in general work in societies not only in Third World countries, but in our own. I did a study about four or five years ago in Brazil. Looking at a project that was planning a national satellite the purchase of a national satellite and eventually it didn't happen. So we did our study and we left and published it later. And I was there in 78. And in 82, I kind of lost track of it in 82, I picked up the paper and I realized that Brazil had suddenly made a contract to buy a national satellite a domestic satellite for $220 million. And I was intrigued because I had followed that up to 1978 in them lost track of it. So I wanted to go back to Brazil and look at that decision and try to understand better how the decision was made why it was made? And indeed from May of 1982, until I came in August of 1983. What sort of planning process was being carried on? So that this major technology could be absorbed into the Brazilian society in such a way that presumably it would begin to make some positive contributions when it was launched in February of 1985. So I did go back to Brazil and I did some work there in August and September of this year. And I want to share with you just a little bit about that research because I think it says a great deal about new technologies. Communication satellites I think you're all aware is a kind of technology that provides a mode of transmission, if you will, for signals of various kinds, usually telephones, telex, and television. Those are the three t's, but they also can be used in are being increasingly used for data transmission. So if you want to, those are the four significant functions of communication satellites in general and they are going to be of course the significant of the satellite in Brazil. But to the thing that intrigued me was that over that period of time from 1978, until 1982 what had happened is that the satellite had been shifted from the original home it had in one institution or was supposed to have in one institution to a quite different institution. And that ultimately when I went back, I had to go not to the original place where I'd done my research in the space research center. And some shall say this campus but to the national telephone company. And you might say, well, so what, well, the so what is that, it seems to me, one of the perhaps lessons that we need to think about in terms of technologies is that technologies are not only a kind of object out there whether it's a microphone or whether it's a satellite in the sky many thousands of miles away from the earth, but that, that technology or that hardware is in a sense incorporated into a society in a way that it has different effects than if it were incorporated differently. And so I think you suspect the answer to my questions about will new technologies create new societies. I think they can, but what they will or not depends on how that particular society takes a technology and incorporates it into the functioning of that society. And what I mean by that is more than just a general metaphor. I mean, something very specific in the case of Brazil what I was looking at with the telephone company Embratel was to try to understand what difference it made by having the satellite housed in that particular institution, as opposed to the Impey. The place as central to say in this campus. And as I went through the research, it's it struck me that indeed it did make a great deal of difference. And I'm not making any value judgements on whether it was better in one place or another but I'm saying it was different in one place than another. And it does bring up ultimately questions of value and of ethics. But I would like simply to step back for a moment and say that in the face of technology and the face of large technologies like satellites, at least in Latin America, there have been a series of responses. There have been a kind of, there's been a kind of a two very, very different kinds of responses. One is a kind of McLuhan ask futuristic optimistic proselytizing for the new technologies that there are these wonderful things out there and they can be used and we can use them for national development, et cetera Not unlike what Ella Kats this afternoon said about the prime minister who would get up with the opening of a new television station in this country saying they're going to be used for national integration, economic, social and economic development and culture integrity. Are all great and wonderful goals, but as a matter of fact as he pointed out not having been fulfilled once the television was open. So with satellites for a number of years now there have been the prophets and the proselytizers who have said satellites are going to revolutionize, and indeed they might the earth and they will bring wonderful things to us. In Latin America however, there is another strand of prophets who for very good reasons, historically has questioned seriously and critically any introduction of new technologies that promise the revitalization of societies. And so you have a significant literature critical literature, if not denouncing at least sharply criticizing satellites, but remaining in a sense at the level of abstraction as many of the so-called positive prophets remain at a general level of abstraction saying, well, they can be used for this and they can be used for that. And we will assume have this. And in other words, if there is a kind of phase a first phase for technology, when people create it, what I would call any ideological context for the technology. They explained the technology either positively or negatively but it is tends to be in general abstractions either of very negative things that are going to happen or very positive things are going to happen. But really in the abstract my own interest is not to disregard either of those groups but to ask how, as a matter of process, the satellite gets or any kind of technology actually gets incorporated into a society? And then to look at the impact or the output or outcomes of that incorporation. And finally, to understand why it turned out to be the way it turned out to be in the case of television, as Ella Kats says, in many cases, it simply has turned out to be a major vehicle for American programming. But the question is, and he's asking that about television and I would ask it about satellites. Why does it turn out to be that way? In the case of satellites we have very little prior experience the exception of Indonesia, which has had a satellite now for almost a decade, almost a generation, and now India which is the second Third World country to have a satellite operational, which really was just launched a few months ago for the final launch. It lost one last year, but Brazil will be the third possibly the Arab States will be the third or fourth and Mexico. So those are the five. Well, actually the Arab States are more than one country but there will be five national or regional satellites operating for the Third World by 1985. So we do have a little prior knowledge but most of it is speculative. What I think is important is not simply whether the technology works of course it works. I mean, who is guarantees it's going to work or Philco Ford or whoever's making the satellite. They guarantee that it will do what it's supposed to do. The question is what is it supposed to do? Well, that will depend on the institution in the particular country that uses that piece of technology for applications, for presumably the benefit of the society. I'd like to just make a comment here. And I don't want to get into too much detail because it's a whole long kind of piece of research that I don't plan to kind of go over. But in a sense, what I was asking when I asked the question about the institutionalization of this piece of technology why I was asking is I guess what I was asking in a sense related to what Kat said this afternoon and I wanted to get to get into an argument with him or ask him some questions because it seems to me the question of intentionality when applied to social structural kind of research becomes extremely fuzzy to talk about imperialism as a conspiracy theory. I think most of us might agree pretty quickly is not relevant. But to talk about potential negative effects without a conspiracy theory, I think is extremely relevant. And that is my concern with technology. To what extent does technology lead to obviously some positive and some negative outcomes in the society and how does it get to that place to lead to those different outcomes? And I'm not saying that all outcomes will be negative, but it might be within the priority range of outcomes that a country has. They might be more negative than positive depending the question is how do they get to be the way they are? And that's why I think it's important to understand the institutions. And therefore, I wanted to make clear that when I'm looking at an institution I'm not looking around for some bad guy to say aha, see the telephone company is the bad guy because you know there are a bunch of electronics engineers. So what, I mean the space research agencies is a good guy because there are space engineers. No, I mean, I don't think that is the solution but the question is what are the differences of approach? And I'll be very brief here back in 1968. Well, this says something about how technology gets diffused back in 19, let's say 63. The first communication satellite to really carry messages broadcast messages and telephone messages was being planned and was launched in 64, I think or late 64, and actually went up over the Atlantic and was operational in 1965. This was the early bird satellite. The first of the communication satellites. Now the US alone has 440 commercial ones. And we don't know how many military ones Intelsat has something like 15 satellite. So now from 1965 to 1983, we have got a tremendous number of these communications satellites. But in 1965, people that didn't even know what they were. People began to write about this marvelous new technology, but very quickly, the prophets came along and said, we can use this technology to improve society. And very quickly they said, we can use this technology to improve Third World countries in 1966, the electrical engineering department at Stanford had been for several years already teaching a interdisciplinary course in satellite design electrical engineering design space design. In 1966, they chose as a topic satellites for Third World development, and they chose as three countries to focus the satellite on India, Indonesia and Brazil. At the end of that school year in June of 1967 they published what was a report from the class. And it was an interdisciplinary class with lawyers people in the business school, engineers obviously economists and people from communications. And this report tried to take the very general idea of let's use this satellite for education for these three countries and put it into specific engineering, economic and app applied term. This report was published by the electrical engineering department. When I went to Brazil in 1968, a few months later less than six months later, I went to the space center and they had already translated it. They had made it their national plan for a satellite. So this is how, in a sense not only does an idea get diffused, but the very operational method gets diffused to different countries. Now to tell the story very quickly the person who ran the space center had been a graduate of Stanford, had a PhD and in, I guess, space science whatever that means, maybe physics came back and created the equivalent of NASA and said we need a satellite for Brazil. The important thing to remember about this individual was that he was an engineer. He was also interested in the broad problems of Brazil not simply in running a NASA like operation but solving everybody's problems including education, health, agriculture. And he saw that as fundamentally a technical problem. Now that turned out to be not so good for him because he ran head-on into political problems. As soon as he began to solve other people's problems like the ministry of education's problem. He proposed a satellite and national satellite for education. And then he found out that the minister of education didn't want a national satellite and furthermore, the minister of education resented this man's telling him what to do with his own ministry. So the plan for a national satellite to be used for education ran into difficulty. And ultimately after many years of trying and frustrations it was scrapped soon after. However, one of the other major opponents to this satellite idea were it was a telephone company which was a national telephone company and the equivalent essentially of T and T except it was owned by the government and essentially the engineers in the T and T or Embratel were against having a satellite because fundamentally they were trained as a telecommunications engineers who knew how to build a ground systems. And they simply did not see the usefulness or the relevance of a satellite space system. And they were used to doing it the other way. So they simply always rejected the notion that they needed the satellite. But then once the man who had originally proposed it was out of the way politically. The idea came back to the telephone company and lo and behold, a few years later they decided indeed they did need a satellite. And they were going to have a satellite. And they persuaded the president to spend $220 million at a time when Brazil was in a recession to buy a satellite. Now, what difference did it make? Well, what difference it makes is, and this may be in a way too subtle a point, but let me see if I can try to explain to you why I think it was different. The people in Embratel have no training in nor in a sense any interest in any broader goals than giving better telephone service essentially to Brazil. Now that in itself has a laudable goal but in a sense, institutionally they are unable to conceive of the satellite or of this technology as something going beyond and reaching out to education, agricultural and health. And in a way, the other person who wanted to reach out to those other ministries was in a sense told to mind his own business. So in a sense you have a kind of contradictions either. You try to do something with technology that serves social purposes and maybe you get political flack for or you take the technology and use it in a very narrow sort of limited sense. And you don't achieve the kinds of social purposes for which the prophets were saying this technology was appropriate. So you have a kind of a social contradiction with this very concrete piece of technology hardware. And yet we know that it can be used for many things. I'd like to finish up with saying what is it like to be used for? Well, there are pieces of this story. I'm simply going to leave that because I have no time to recount them all. But essentially what it will be used for is for a telephone system for the Northern part of the country in Amazonas. And it will also be used for a national or network television. The television, two of the major television networks have already rented a transponder on the Intelsat system. And as soon as Brazil has its own system they are likely to rent up to four or five transponders that is four or five channels for television nationwide. As a matter of fact, it is likely to promote television more than even telephones. In fact, I suspect that in the first year or two of the national satellite, they will have more of their space used up for commercial television. Then they will, for even the telephone system. What people, the so-called prophets that I talked about what they failed to do and still fail to do is when confronted with a question of here is a piece of technology that Brazil is going to have by February of 1985, what should we do with it? They can only say some rather vague and futuristic things like jean it'll be nice to have this because we can hook up a home computers and we will soon have electronic mail or the negative profits will say, we don't want that. And you say, yeah, I know you don't want it but you're going to have it. It's, you know, it's been contracted for and the government's going to have it. I think what is lacking here in the, and maybe one point I would simply like to close with this sort of technological analysis, what seems to be lacking and in my own dialogue with some of the engineers in Embratel what is wanted on their part is, and a kind of interface group that is a group that understands the technology and what its limitations and capacities and capabilities are. And at the same time a group that understands the application side that is the social services areas that could use the technology realistically, and therefore they could be the people who could interface with the engineers in order to bring that service to fruition because essentially right now what's going to happen. And I think there's no doubt about it. The engineers in Embratel do not understand agriculture, health, education or any other field except telephone. They are simply going to go ahead and work to get that satellite up there and operational. And they say, well, if you guys want something when the satellite come to us but since nobody in the substance of fields knows very much about the technology there is a gap there so that they will remain apart and the satellite will probably serve some very narrow purposes of telephones and some rather commercial purposes of television. Now, let me close by saying that, bringing television to all sections of Brazil, I do not see personally. And I'll be very honest with you. I do not see as necessarily a good thing. I don't, if you've been to Brazil I don't see the flashy kind of programming made in San Paulo primarily or some unreal as serving a significant social purpose in the hinterlands of Amazonas or other parts of Brazil. I really honestly do not see it as a relevant kind of contribution to social or economic growth in those areas. So if anything, it is a cultural attack or at least a kind of undermining of the traditional values that people have in those areas. I'm not saying traditional values in the sense that they should stay poor but traditional values in the sense of the significant values in their lives that have kept them at the at least surviving. So that I think is what is going to happen. And that is partly why it's going to happen. What I am saying then is that the new technology the very newest, most modern technology in Brazil will have some definite benefits. There's no question about it. They will also have some it will also have some definite costs. Social costs as well as economic costs. And I'm not sure, obviously when you add up costs and benefits, they become very fuzzy and you can weigh one more than another but I'm not sure that the benefits outweigh the costs. Am I saying then that there should be no satellite obviously I'm not saying that I am saying however that if the satellite or any technology is to be used in a society, it will depend on a group of people who have certain social goals in mind but who also understand the technology well enough to interface with those who control the technology the technical people, the engineers, and to persuade perhaps the administration of those organizations and institutions that they should be given things like particular breaks on rate structures and whatnot. Oftentimes in communications, when we talk about communications, we talk about it in an abstract as if it doesn't cost anything. Telephone service and satellites and television and radio costs something. And I think one of the great neglected areas is to look at the economic structures of technology and how they again get absorbed into a society according to those economic structures. And I think looking at the rate structure of Embratel I do not see at least right now any particular breaks being given for health, for education, for agriculture. In other words, it's a pay as you go kind of system. And if they want a service, you got to pay for it. And therefore those people most likely to need the service are probably going to be those who are least able to pay. And therefore one could not surprisingly find satellites serving those who already have benefits of other technologies that already exist. Okay, let me come back now to those challenges. And let me just make a couple of comments. I don't think there is a solution or an easy answer to the question of what about the so-called Third World problem but I think you're here tonight and I'm here tonight because we're asking the serious question. Let me put that in parenthesis and go on. The applications of new technologies in the Third World has tended not to be the kind of positive or have tended not to have the kinds of positive outcomes that were predicted by the prophets. But one comment on that is that maybe the prophets really didn't know what they were talking about in the first place. Maybe they didn't really understand the problems of the Third World and the difficulty to make even a simple idea work much less a complicated idea. And I would say, and although it's not totally a question of political will it is certainly a great part of the problem. So if you are simply looking for a technological solution to a Third World problem, I think in many ways, you're looking for a mirage or you're looking for an illusion it's part technology, no doubt but it's also part political will. And it's also part social and economic structure. To the third question I would simply make a comment and, or the third challenge. I talked about new technologies in our own society. I think we should. One comment, one reason it's so hard to get a hold of this is that we have a great deal of difficulty observing social change because social change as opposed to other kinds of change is simply very ordinarily, except in time maybe of major revolution or a major physical disaster is very slow in coming. If you look at the French revolution you find out that historically the roots of the French revolution go back at least a century maybe even two centuries. So that the outcome in 1789 was a major sort of burst upon the scene. But it was build in over a long period of time. The same with what I would call the industrial revolution. Probably the people living during those times didn't say, aha, we're having an industrial revolution. They simply recognize that steam and other kinds of technologies were being introduced. And some people were losing their jobs and others were getting jobs and factories were being built. But they didn't realize it was a industrial revolution. I'm not sure that we even recognize what a new information society is. We can talk about it rather vaguely but do we really know what it is? And the other question is have we challenged that idea enough? Have we said, is the new information society really a good idea? Are we simply saying, let's listen to the prophets who say it's a great idea and it's going to bring Nirvana. I think what we need to do is not say let us reject the prophets, but let us carefully question them and let us look at our own lives and see what sort of impact the telephone has had. And I guess we come back then to our own reflection upon ourselves and say, what do I do about it? I think, if we are talking in an ethical mode we are asking ourselves the question fundamentally is what is the good society? What is the good society? What is the good life? I mean, it's the old question that the Greeks asked but it is an important question that underlies technology and the thing that a person like Jacques Ellul and others have said is that we have become mesmerized by the idea of technology that we have accepted it as an ultimate value. Even though when we look at it and Ellul has done this in his own analysis. That many times it carries as many evils or problems or difficulties as it carries good. And I think if we are to meet these challenges we need to look at what the new technology is doing in our society? And we need to seriously question that, we shouldn't be passive recipients of any kind of new idea or especially any kind of new technology that comes along. Because there are always people who are trying to sell it because nothing is free. So we said, we need to ask if we're going to pay for that. Not only in economic currency, but in social costs we have to ask ourselves the question, is it worth it? And I think that's a question that each of us individually have to ask as well as socially as a group. But I would like then to make two more observations about what I can do about it personally, one is understanding, I think unless we keep learning and trying to understand better, we're not going to be able to ask the kinds of questions that we need to ask. And finally, I would say the other area that we need as individuals to look at is the whole question of alternatives. 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that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36617/file/105726#t=1309.22,1311.445"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36617/file/105726/transcript/22718/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cause they don't know that they're going to ever compete","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36617/file/105726#t=1311.445,1312.6"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36617/file/105726/transcript/22718/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"internationally, and they 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The individual states have more power over education, and there isn't as much of a centralized kind of curriculum. And the real technical advantage of satellites is to promote a single kind of message all over the country. The only group that is doing this kind of work with television, it happens to be also the biggest commercial television company, Global, TV Global, and the fear on the part of educators is not that Global won't do a good job if they get the educational channel, but that they will have such a stranglehold on both commercial television and on educational television. That many people are uncomfortable with that, it's sort of like turning over most television and most educational television in this country to CVS. I would be hesitant, frankly, and that's one of the hesitancies, but that seems to be at least one of the directions that education is going in and the ministry of education frankly is not interested. So it is a problem. Yes?\r\n\r\n- Yeah. What you stated is the old problem of the transfer of technology. How do you transfer technology created in one society for a particular purpose to another society that may not really precisely have that need in mind, or may not, at least it may not fit the primary priority of that country. And I agree it's it is a problem. I don't know the solution, but at least it's worthwhile raising the question. Yes. Other questions. Yes. Sorry, I'm kind of blinded a little bit here, but that's okay.\r\n\r\n- Well, frankly, I don't think that many of the poor people do have much of a, of a quick, can I say process for making their needs known, but really in, in, in, in some senses, the, the satellite is probably not going to be of any immediate benefit for really poor people in Brazil anyhow. And I'm, I was really even referring to not, you know, not the most poverty-stricken, but even the poor, but not totally poverty-stricken people there. They don't have. I guess what I see at least what I've observed in the last, my last visit is that there is not a constituency, a strong constituency and agriculture health education that has really focused on the satellite in a way that has been productive and not simply sort of negative. And presumably those constituencies are supposed to represent all people, including poor people maybe even, especially poor people. Well, I, I, I mentioned, well, let me repeat what I said. I think it is very important that those people who are concerned about technology understand technology and its limitations. I think I don't have it here, but just there was an article that came out just, well, two articles by a guy I know in Latin America, but I have the feeling that all it does is create a kind of an uneasiness. It's a kind of a literature of denunciation, like saying, you know, the satellites are, computers are not going to help change our society, but he, unfortunately he doesn't, he doesn't have any alternatives. So somebody reads that and they'll say, \"Yeah, but what am I going to do?\" You know, he doesn't answer that last question that I was trying to get you to think about. What you'd do if you were Brazilian is not to say, well, we shouldn't have a satellite because they're going to have one. I mean, literally they have signed a contract with Spar Communications of Canada, and they're going to get charged 200 or $160 million for that. And they're going to have to pay it whether they want to use it or not. So there's going to be a satellite. The question is how can that piece of technology be put to use in the most positive way for the development of the whole country of Brazil, as opposed to a fairly narrow application? And I think that anybody who wants to make some sort of alternative use, and I think that Embratel is open to some alternative uses, provided people, understand what the satellite can do and cannot do, technically. And also that they understand the right structures, the economic structures within which that service is going to be provided. There are some alternatives, even within rate structures, but you have to understand them. And most people who ask those questions don't even want to talk about rate structures. They say, \"Well, that's, that's not important.\" And it is important. It's very important because if you want to get a service on that satellite, and you go through Embratel, they're going to charge you a certain amount of money for that. And if you know that by going through Telebras, which is the umbrella company for Embratel, you can get a 30% discount on a rate structure if you were such and such kind of an organization, that is important to know, because it will create create some kind of alternative. If you don't know that, and you simply say, \"Oh,\" you know, \"We don't care.\" Then obviously nothing's going to happen. The satellites gonna work just as, as you were saying that you don't want to see at work. So I'd say that the alternatives are there, but they have to be looked at and they have to be discovered, and they have to be created by people who understand technology, but who also understand how it needs to be applied in, in, in different areas of society. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Sure, it's a possibility, but I mean, it's not a likely one. The question I guess, is a kind of a political one, and that is, isn't, I guess my answer would be, I would answer your question. Yes. It would be stressing the wood. But as a matter of fact, it's not going to happen unless, I mean, unless a miracle happens. So to, to, I mean, it's, it's worthwhile entertaining perhaps at a stage before you actually have contracted for a satellite. I think the one thing I failed to mention, and I should mention it now is that one of the things that Brazil didn't do for all of its 10 or 12 or 13 years of thinking about satellites, it never did a good sort of what I would call a technological assessment of needs for that satellite. It simply was \"Let's have it.\" It had a bunch of advocates and it had a bunch of people say, \"We don't need it\", but nobody who ever said, \"Well, if we have it, how might it be used in, in a broad series of ways\", and, and really very, very carefully worked out, not just, you know, sort of saying, yes, it would be good for health, but how specifically, so those kinds of intermediate plans don't don't exist. But if, as a matter of fact, you had that period of debate by these kinds of social constituencies in Brazil, they might indeed come up with the answer, yes. It's just not useful.\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Yeah. Well, that's certainly, I think that's certainly a distinct possibility, but unfortunately, as the system is now, it's not going to happen. I wish I could say yes. It's probably, well, it's likely, I think it's very, very unlikely simply because they're into it and they're going to use it, you know, that's, that's the, unfortunate, if we were talking in the realm of debate, should we have it or not? Then I think that is the time really to bring up those questions. But the debate never happened, the genuine debate never happened. It was just all advocacy and adversary, And suddenly somebody went out and, you know. So there was no real, genuine national debate about this, except in the early years when this one person got very got into the political spectrum and people, you know, were, but he caused more problems and he shot himself in the foot, really. He didn't have to have those problems. But we never, I don't think they ever had a national debate in Brazil over whether they should have it and how it could be useful or not useful. And they sort of add up the score and say, \"Well, it just doesn't make any sense now.\" Yes.\r\n\r\n- I think they're very great. I think it, it calls for a very serious personal questioning of one's work. And, and, and it seems to me, I don't see how you can work in any case, in any kind of work without asking certain kinds of value questions. But if you are in working in the third world, I don't think you can avoid that kind of confrontation with value questions every time you, you, you do any work. I just think, and so in an answer to your question, in general, I think is true and even more so in the case of technology, I think one needs to look very seriously at each case and say, \"Does this in my estimation, really, in a sense, promote what is good again, from my estimation for Brazilian society?\" And I start with certain premises, then I try to bring those into my own activity in my own consultation and my own research. I think very definitely. I think there is an obligation for people to think about that. Yep.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] What level of technology is available and how has, how does that actually function in the education in the particular areas?\r\n\r\n- Well, I think it it's, I, one would have to kind of narrow that down, I think.\r\n\r\n- Are you talking about radio? Are we talking about what is actually now available?\r\n\r\n- Well, anything that people can pay for is available, but the trouble is most people can't pay for very much. But if you're talking about the kind of technology that is most widely used in our field and communication is radio, there's no question about it. And I have long been an advocate of use of radio because it is cheaper, it's more useful, it's under local control, it can do much of what the television and other kinds of more expensive technology can do. And I just think there's a lot of evidence, research evidence to show that it has a much better kind of cost-effectiveness ratio than other kinds of means. However, I have run into a lot of, resistance on that because many people want the more modern, more flashy kinds of technology, even if it costs more. So you find a lot of the, have found a number of big and very expensive educational television projects. Which really many of them have gone, gone down the tubes. So there are technologies and, and modest ones that are available and it could do a lot of good. Again, I come back to that quote that I used at the beginning for Mr. Clawson, it's not the technology that's lacking, it's the political will in many cases to use the technology in a way that makes some sense.\r\n\r\n- Sometimes I would say sometimes it's people who are, are, are at a level of, you know, more decision-makers. I think the whole question of technology, I mean, I can give you as many examples of success as, well, I can give you many more examples of failure, but I can give you a number of examples of success, and it almost in every case, success goes much beyond the technology. The technology is indeed a means, as we say, mass media means they are a means, but like any other tool they can be used if people, people, groups really want to use them. And if you will look at those groups that have mobilized themselves, you will find that they have done fantastic things with very modest kinds of tools or technologies. But it is that mobilization of people that kind of convergence of wills, if you will, that is so rare. And that's what we mean when we talk in a sense what we mean when we talk about politics, it is how do you politically have the political will or get the mobilization of people to use the means at hand? And I think there are means at hand. I mean, I don't think it's primarily the lack of technology. I think it is the lack of the way the technology is, the way the society is organized basically is what I'm, I'm saying. So that if it's organized in certain way, technology is not going to change that organization, essentially it'll simply reinforce. Some other questions? Yes.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] What kinds of trends\r\n\r\n- Here in this country? Well, unfortunately my university doesn't do anything because we're not an agricultural university, so we don't tend to get very involved in that, Texas A\u0026M is the big agricultural university. And I'm sure they have lots of programs. I think that, you know, in this country within certain limits, we have a much greater grasp of technologies. Certainly even, I mean, now satellites are being used by dairy, not dairy, but cattle raisers, like, and I'm sure here in Iowa and Texas and Omaha, Nebraska, people are using a kind of very sophisticated communication system for, for, for cattle buying. You know, and I don't know. I just remember hearing a lecturer at Texas a year ago on that. And it's amazing where they're using very sophisticated technologies. Now, if you're talking about work with rural poor people in this country, that's a whole nother thing. And I I'm hesitant to say that technology is going to change poverty. In fact, I, I, I won't say that because I don't think it's true. So whether technology can help really depends on the circumstances, depends on the technologies involved and the costs, clearly on the cost. I think there are some technologies that might help and even maybe some fairly sophisticated ones. Again, if the right people, the right organizations can get access to that technology and use it for their own purposes, yeah. But that'll really depend on a lot of, a lot of different circumstances that may be different in Iowa than what they are in Texas. Other questions?\r\n\r\n- Well, again, it depends, Brazil has a really, the interesting thing about Brazil is that of all the third world countries, they are probably the most sophisticated in their communication and tech, tech, telecommunication policies. They are very, they have, they have a very self-reliant point of view. They want to use technologies to develop technological infrastructure within Brazil from an outside point of view and in a national level, I think that's great. I think that's good. And a lot of other third world countries are looking to Brazil and saying, \"How did you guys develop this set of policies?\" which seems so positive. But on the other hand, if you look within Brazil, those policies still remain fairly abstracted from let's say, social benefit, the theory being that once we protect telecommunications and informatics development within Brazil, then our national industries will take over, not let transnationals, you know, in a sense, take our internal market. But that doesn't say anything about how that is going to relate to other social goods and social groups in Brazil. So it's a, you know, it's sort of a double-edged sword. How technologies are being decided upon depends on the technology. I think, I think a lot of that has to come from governments, but of course, a lot of it is influenced by corporations that are selling technology. So, I mean, again, I don't, I think one cannot generalize, in Brazil, ironically, the two people who ended up bidding on the satellite were a, Canadian firms, SPAR Communications, and Arianespace, which is a French firm, both backed by their governments, and you say, \"Well, what happened to the Americans?\" What happened to the Americans is that they couldn't get the funding from commercial banks in this country in 1981. So they had to go through France and Canada. So the Canadians are the main contractors, but they're offering a huge satellite. The French were the other big contenders and they were offering a Philco-Ford satellite. So essentially they were taking American technology through the sort of, if you will, the financial structures of Canada and France rather than coming directly from Hughes and from Philco-Ford, so that means it's a complicated picture, but the American technologies clearly in terms of satellite building, it's got the lead on everybody else. And I don't see any possibility that very many other, even Europeans are going to catch up with them. I really don't. The Brazilians are not interested in building their own satellites. They have enough sense to realize that it is such a highly specialized and you know, something you turn out two of every 10 years or every eight years or every six years, that they don't want to build a whole industry around that. Cause they don't know that they're going to ever compete internationally, and they said, \"Why not just buy it from somebody else?\" But ground stations, yes, they're going to build their own. So I think they've got a fairly sophisticated technological policy in Brazil, government policy. Well, again, thank you for your attention and thank you for inviting me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36617/file/105726#t=0.0,1345.93306"}]}]}]}