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What happened to me in the CIA, what kind of people we were, why I got out. Who was I, how did I get into the CIA. I did 13 years in the CIA altogether, 19 years in the Marine Corps and Marine Corps reserves. All together, if you add that up very quickly, you'll see that I'm 67 years old. But point is that it overlaps. You can be in the Marine Corps Reserves and work in the CIA, they're kind of sister services. My great grandfather was a doctor in a small town in Texas, in a east Texas town. My grandfather was a lawyer, my father was an engineer. Right after World War II, he worked during the war for Dow Chemical plant in Freeport, Texas. Right after the war he took us to the Belgian Congo to build a hydroelectric plant for the Presbyterian missions there. I grew up for about eight years in the very heart of the Belgian Congo. My friends and playmates were Africans, I was bilingual. I liked the African people, I loved the Congo. I was in the glory days of colonialism. The country was pacified, there was no more fighting, the economy was booming. The unrest that ripped the Congo apart later on hadn't happened, so I could wander anywhere I wanted to do. Hunting, looking around, playing, playing with my African friends with very little danger. Kind of a free ride through colonialism, if you will. I was a product of the generation that was a child during World War II. And what did that mean? That meant that every Saturday we went to the movies and very movie had the shorts before and afterwards. And the shorts were propaganda films about World War II. Now propaganda perhaps is justified in a case like World War II, where you're fighting something as evil as Hitler and Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. But the fact is we were fed lots of movies about noble Americans fighting and defeating the evil Krauts and Nips, and a lot of them were made by President Reagan as you'll recall. The dashing young captain, you know, and the plane crashes and he lands in Germany and he steals a plane and he goes like this and 500 Germans die and he flies away and bombs drop you know, as he goes across, he you know, pulled the lever and a whole factory is obliterated. And then he radios ahead, I'm remembering a movie I saw the other day on the late night thing that he had done. And he radios ahead and says, I'll have my steak well done. And his co-pilot says, I'll have my waitress semi well-done. And everybody laughs, very gallant. And that's what we were fed before we went to Africa, and then the conservative background in Africa. And then I came back to the United States in 1954 to go to college. University of Texas, where my family had always gone. Good school, obviously conservative in a very conservative era. This was of course McCarthyism time. This was an era in which all the young men were drafted and it never occurred to us to question whether or not we should be drafted. It was the era right at the end of the Korean War. And this is very interesting. Read \"Goodbye Darkness\" by William Manchester, about the way the American youth fought and died in World War II. Thousands and thousands of young men, plunging into the Japanese machine guns to win, because they were convinced that the evil that was facing the world was sufficient that it was worth their lives and their deaths. But then we got to the Korean War. A different kind of a war. A cynicism in the war that nobody understood. The young people didn't fight quite the same way that their uncles and fathers had. And the society didn't understand the way they were being, the cynicism. And the young people didn't understand, so they blamed themselves. And the result was the Beat Generation, the young people in the mid-'50s tattooing their arms with born to lose. Now mind you, we hadn't seen \"M*A*SH\". We didn't understand the cynicism. We hadn't seen the Vietnam War. We hadn't seen Watergate, we hadn't seen the Church Committee's revelations of the CIA and the government and the credibility gap of the '60s and '70s. So the young people blamed themselves, born to lose, but not all of us. My ideals and standards were much higher than that. I was the kind of person that would have responded with great enthusiasm at that time to a President Reagan. I had no problem with the draft. It was inevitable, so I got into the ROTC. I got a scholarship, go through college better, get myself a commission, go through my military service better. I took my ROTC, Naval ROTC, I took my commission in the Marine Corps. Gung-ho all the way, if you will. Now, I got myself an education at the University of Texas, I had a sense of the elite. The Marine Corps, but also academically. I was not a straight A student, but they had a program called Plan II for elite students, 100 special students each year. The rationale, the rest of the university was plan one, I guess. I guess Plan II was, the rationale was so that all of the bright kids wouldn't have to go away to the East Coast or the Midwest somewhere to get a good education. And so I went into Plan II and we studied extra and I had a sense of getting the best education possible at the University of Texas. But looking back in retrospect I can see that I got 1/2 an education. We studied the classics, the humanities, psychology, philosophy, but we didn't study the truth about United States history and some of it's cynicism. I went through four years of college without ever having a conversation with a liberal, much less a radical. They didn't have lectures like this, Watergate hadn't happened. And mind you, conservative era. We got our hair cut once a week, we shined our shoes every day. We said sir to any male that was a week older than we were, and ma'am all the ladies. And that's the kind of people we were. And I took my commission into the Marine Corps. And once again, I had a free ride. The golden days of the military service between wars. I got into the 2nd Force Reconnaissance Company in Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. Parachuting, UDT, scuba diving, going down to St. Thomas for training, getting our submarines and locking out of them and playing these games like post-adolescent Boy Scouts, but with real equipment. And it was fun, and it was exciting and it was stimulating. And we were always fantasizing killing Gooks because of the Korean, you know, and communist. But we weren't actually killing anyone. We weren't faced with the reality, the moral decisions of killing people or being killed. So I enjoyed the military. I got out because they were gonna send me to Okinawa and then to sea duty, I wouldn't see my young family for three years. I felt my responsibility, so I got out. I went to work for the Gates Rubber Company in Denver, Colorado, automotive sales, studying hard, trying to learn business. And that's where I was in 1964 when the CIA contacted me. Now mind you, 1964. What were those times? Again, before Vietnam, before the CIA's bad press. Kennedy was dead, but he had waked the nation up. We were out of the Beat Generation. Bobby Kennedy was jogging, JFK had said in his inimitable style, \"ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.\" And he told us, they told us that communists were taking over the world and nations were falling like dominoes, and it was so bad that it was gonna roll through Asia and Africa and the Caribbean until California and Colorado went communist. And we pretty much believed this. And of course I was a young Marine captain, and I was in good company though in my superficiality, my naivete about the world. JFK had said these things, and his administration as you recall was filled with the best and the brightest from Harvard and the Ivy League schools, and they were saying these same things. And once again, we didn't know about the CIA at that time. It was before the revelations of the mid-'70s. We also didn't know what Senator Church told us in 1975, that the CIA was working with 400 journalists. Covertly, habitually, to place its stories, its views and versions of what was happening in the world in the United States press. Now think about that a minute. I'm not saying that 400 articles were put in the United States newspapers and whatnot. I'm saying that 400 journalists, including some of the biggest names in the business were habitually working with the CIA to introduce its propaganda lines into the US press. The threat of communism, the necessity of going out and fighting, defending democracy, et cetera. Very noble things against a very menacing evil. This was the line that they preached and preached and preached covertly, working with the journalists. 5,000 professors, scholars, graduate students, teachers working covertly with the CIA in their experimentation on American citizens, in their manipulation of student groups, in their building files on students on campuses. These are things we didn't know in 1964, They had published over 1,000 books, the CIA had, under false flag. Going to people, scholars, professors who might have a right-wing bend and saying here's $30,000, take a sabbatical, write a book about Vietnam. Write anything you want, but we know you would like to write things this way and we'll read the manuscript and give you some ideas and background information and make it a better book. And it'll be in your name and no one will ever know where you got this $30,000 from. Senator Church, when he exposed this fact, he demanded that the CIA release the titles of these books so that universities could go back now and stamp in them CIA propaganda. So that you, when you're researching Vietnam or the Congo or Cuba or wherever, you will know that this book was written by the CIA and its propaganda. You can still read it, but at least you would know who the true author of the thing was. The CIA refused. They said they had a commission to protect their sources, the authors of the books were their sources, so they couldn't reveal the titles of the books. That means that today, if you're studying about Cuba for example, or what happened in the Congo or different parts of the world, you are almost certainly going to be stung. Some of the books you will read will have been written in fact by the CIA, with the deliberate purpose of introducing false impressions of what's happening in the world to justify what they were doing or wanted to do. Now, I got stung by one of these books in 1964. The CIA wrote me a letter, Central Intelligence Agency letterhead, asking my permission to do a background check with the objective of offering me employment. Now, obviously the CIA does lots of background checks on lots of people without asking their permission. So, what was the point of this letter? Very simple. If I had said no, or hell no, they could save six months of man-hour, time of going and checking everywhere I'd lived and everything. They checked very, very thoroughly, but they're not infallible. They screened, they tested, they put us on a lie detector test. Apparently they didn't find out that in this boarding school, church boarding school in Africa where our biggest preoccupation was getting around the rules and running operations against the teachers, I had organized, helped organize the BBCP. Now mind you, I had never read, I had no idea about Karl Marx or Marxism or communism, but nevertheless, we organized the secret BBCP, the Big Boys Communist Party. And the CIA apparently didn't find this out, they never asked me about this when they were, when they had me on the lie detector test. Anyway, I didn't say hell no, I said, hell yes. I was really excited. Do your check. Now, let's go. And I got to thinking. I had studied about the Marine Corps and fighting, and I was studying business, but I really didn't have much of a background in foreign affairs, and I thought I'd better do some reading. I got a number of books. I was getting up early in the morning and I would read books. I bought some, the library gave me some. One book I bought was a book on Karl Marx. It presented Karl Marx as a long-haired hippie living in a garret in London. Never bathing, beating his wife once a week and printing, spouting theories that no rational person could possibly subscribe to. This book influenced me so much that it helped me to join the CIA, convinced that if the CIA's objective was to oppose communism, Marxism, that was a noble cause. But also when I got into the CIA training course, and they were teaching us for six months a serious study of communism, I found myself arguing with some of the professors that were coming down to lecture us, and I was saying, wait a minute, this Karl Marx was an idiot, and his theories were mad. And they were saying, yeah, but you know, 1/2 the world subscribes in one form or another to what he taught, and some of those people are very intelligent people. So they were taking the course seriously, and I was, you know, I had that redneck, you know, communists are evil vision in my mind. And so I worked very hard in training. We worked very hard in training. 42 of us in my class, a year long training program, very conscious of the fact that we had been screened through days of testing and background testing, to be the very, very elite in the United States secret foreign service. There were 70 some-odd college degrees amongst the 40 of us, most of us had been officers in some branch of the service. We were screened to be disciplined, patriotic, but also personable and effective in dealing with people. The course was a very positive, high-minded course. It did not deal in the dirtiness of the spy business. Literally, it was grounded in principles of Dale Carnegie, \"How to Win Friends and Influence People.\" They taught us that the program, the essence of the CIA and American success was our sensitivity to people, the people we would work with. We never used the word spy. We didn't seduce people into committing treason against their countries. We worked with sources of information and agents. We invited people to help us, to join us in the struggle to keep the world free. There was no question of treason involved because if their governments would object, it was probably because they were Pinko and slightly communist and therefore basically evil and therefore it would be a noble thing for them to report to the CIA. We might be able to modify their government or change it into something positive and right, and righteous and supporting capitalism and opposing communism. So there was no sense of apology in the way we were taught and what we were doing. Now, we gave people a lot of money. The CIA has lots of money and it spends it, it hands it out by the fistfuls, but we never bribed anyone, ever. What we would do you see is we would give people money so they wouldn't be distracted by their personal problems while they joined us in struggle to keep the world free. They taught us how to recruit, and this was truly interesting, it was a very profound course. You know, you land in a country, CIA agent. How do you recruit agents, spies? How do you put together a network? They taught us to spot people of interest to us, and that could be anybody. The taxi driver who drove you in from the airport on your first arrival in your post. The customs, he could be a surveillant. The customs officer who went through your bags, you might recruit him and he could tell you about Soviets or other people that would come through the airport. Or mess up their luggage if you needed to put something in it or, well I mean, anybody could be a source of potential use to the CIA. They taught us to assess people. What made them tick, what they would respond to. And they taught us to recruit them by adapting ourselves, our personalities to what they would respond to. I.e., they didn't teach us for a year to be something that people would relate to. What they did was they taught us to assess if someone was venal, we would talk money. We would take them to expensive places to eat. We would hint at money and loans and cars and whatever might sound exciting to them in terms of their interest. If they were carnal, we would tell dirty jokes and break out the \"Hustler Magazine\" and take them to a topless place to do the, you know, the drinking and building rapport. And role-playing with the instructors constantly for this year. Operation, you'd read in on something, the instructor with some potential agents, you'd meet him out in town. You'd come back into the training area and he would critique. He would say, hey, I told a dirty joke, you should have told me a dirty joke, you know. But also the human orientation of the thing. He would say, hey, I went to the bathroom four times in a one hour meeting, that's not natural. Either I drunk too much beer ahead of time or maybe I had a bladder problem or a kidney problem, you should have asked. And teaching us, I got for example, one of my first outstandings, which was the top grade you could get in the training program, because the instructor, agent, walked in limping for a meeting and I said, hey, you know, what, did you twist your ankle? And he said, no, I've got the gout and told me all about the gout. So in the next meeting with him, I actually went down to the CIA clinic and so I told them I needed some medicine for the gout, and they gave me probably a placebo or sugar pills or something. But I took it to the meeting and I said, see, this is the latest medicine from Washington, the United States for the gout. And I want you to think about it and study it, but let's see, if it's safe for you, you can use this. And oh, he loved it. And he gave me an outstanding because of my interest in people. And that meant a lot to me. Marine captain that I was, you know, the Marine officer who doesn't sleep or eat until his trips are taken care of. I responded to this a lot, the taking care of your people. They taught us that we were more effective than the KGB, even though they outnumbered us overseas, because everybody knew you couldn't trust a Russian, but they knew you could trust an American, therefore we would be more effective in dealing with these people. Why do people accept recruitment and work for the CIA? What is the motivation? I've thought about this a lot. We had these forms we would fill out, every agent and every developmental contact and under why does he wanna work for the CIA you were supposed to put money. Because a capitalist society, I mean, that's what they taught you, is money. And you know, they were suspicious of an operation where an agent wouldn't accept money, because that was supposed to be the basic motivation of what people did things for in the world. But it simply wasn't true. I got out there and people weren't interested in money, or they were interested in it, they would take the fistful of money and put it in their pocket while they were still talking to you about the thing. They enjoyed the relationship, and the relationship between case officer and agent was very close. And I thought about this a lot and I decided that the essential motivation is a Walter Mitty factor. Nobody or very few people in the world's lives are so complete that they can't use a secret life. Something that's noble and patriotic is, you know, is better. A professor. I'm not just a professor. I'm that and a good one, but I'm also the CIA's man on this campus fighting communism. I'm not just a president of a country, I'm that, but because of that and because I'm special, I have a secret link with the CIA, the invisible government in Washington. KGB officers work for us sometimes. Revolutionaries who were dedicated working for us, refuting everything they'd done with their lives, but still dedicated revolutionaries, but they couldn't resist having this, I'm a revolutionary, but I also have the secret link with Washington that maybe I can use. The rationales, they taught us to play on people to make just about anybody in the world, to make it sound like they would be advancing their interests by working with us. I'll give you an example. I know a filmmaker recently was in Nicaragua editing a film about the Nicaraguan Revolution. This woman hates the CIA. Loathes what they're doing in Nicaragua. CIA case officer from the embassy approached her. Nice guy, friendly, personable, invited her to lunch. Reluctantly, she accepted and he said, hey, we should talk more often. We should meet a couple of times a week. You're living with Nicaraguans, you could tell me so much about what makes the Sandinistas tick. Who relates to who, who argues with who, who's sleeping with who, all of the things. And she was you know, getting very angry, I'm not gonna be your agent. And he said, no, no. Don't misunderstand this. There are people in Washington who hate the Sandanistas, and President Reagan says these outrageous things. And I'm here and I'm trying to report about them, and I can't meet any of them. If you could introduce me to them and tell me all about them, then you could help me persuade Washington that maybe they're really nice people. And she almost succumbed to this. But the fact was of course, this man had no interest whatsoever. He's part of a machine that's in the process of destabilizing Nicaragua trying to oust the Sandanistas and they're killing people. But that was the approach that would make her feel noble and special for working with them, and she almost succumbed. Okay, I got out of training, they sent me to Africa. Six years, three tours in Africa, recruiting African agents. West Africa, Chief of Base in Lubumbashi in the Katanga at a time where the mercenaries, the CIA mercenaries Jean Schramme and Bob Denard were mutinying, the country was in some disarray. It was at the end of our involvement there. It was quite dangerous, quite exciting, I was Chief of Base. At the same time, things were winding down and our policy was one of disengagement. Now in my first assignment, I had recruited a young man, my first recruitment, my first log who would cover this country for me and he did. And it was a peaceful, pro-Western, friendly to Washington country where the ambassador could learn everything he needed to learn from the country by talking to all of the ministers and whomever and the president himself. And so I started sending my young friend to see people who might be plotting, because that theoretically would be our job, to cover, you know, the opposition. And a cousin of his, he kept going back to him, are you happy with what's going on? And was sending him back. Have you thought about doing anything about it? If you were thinking about doing something about it, what would you be doing? I couldn't figure out later I was convinced that I had a hand in engineering and stimulating a coup plot. The president arrested him the night before the supposed coup and sentenced them all to death. And I flew away thinking that there wouldn't, maybe wouldn't have been a plot if I hadn't been recruiting this young man and sending him there. In any case, he wouldn't have been sentenced to death if I hadn't been there recruiting him and manipulating this thing. And again it was a country where we have no national security interest. We had overt interests and they were very strong. In Lubumbashi working with mercenaries. In Bujumbura, I got a reprieve by the way. The president commuted the sentence and eventually let him off. But for a while, I felt like I'd killed a beautiful young man, and a very young man. In Bujumbura, I was Chief of Station. Moving very fast, by the way. This was, you know, this was all very exciting. The function less than the power and the advancement and the recognition. And one of my agents was picked up and shot. He was a beautiful man. He looked a lot like Flip Wilson, and he was just about that funny, father of six. And one day there was a little rumble in the country and they picked him up and shot him. No trial, nothing, bang. He was dead, because they had known he was working with the CIA and they didn't want problems of a trial and whatnot. And I got to thinking, what had he ever done to justify the loss of life and the six fatherless children and all of that? I couldn't find a report in his file. He had given us a lot of reports, he'd worked with us a long time. I couldn't find a report in his file that was not duplicated by reports that the ambassador and other people had gotten just by asking around and talking about, you know, what's happening in the country and who is related to whom. And this led me to think about in six years, I had not seen or been part of an operation that had seriously advanced the United States national security interests. And we were destabilizing things in the sense. We didn't have big programs of destabilization, but just our presence. We were handing out money, and even if we didn't call it that it was bribes, they were illegal, and in a small community, a man with 40 or $50,000 saying here's this and here's that. It's a corrupting influence and it's discrediting the United States and we were all known to be CIA in the communities where we served, we were very visible. I got back to Washington however, and I found that it was not sour grapes. There were numbers of ambassadors who were complaining about the CIA's activities. And the Macomber study had been done in the State Department, and the Macomber Report was published internally, concluding that there was no justification for the CIA's presence in Africa based on anything it was known to be doing. That it was gathering information that the State Department could get cheaper and better and without discrediting the United, the exactly the same conclusion I had reached. And word went out in Africa Division that we would be closed down. There was no more job for the CIA. And I remember thinking very cocky that they wouldn't fire me because was I was too good. That I would be transferred to some other division or something else or some special program. Well, they didn't fire anybody. They added stations and case officers to Africa. What the CIA did was say, we agree. This reporting on African politics is boring, we shouldn't waste our time with it. If we get any information in the future, we'll give it to you and you can report it and claim you got it. We should be in Africa reporting on the hard targets. The rationale was that in Ouagadougou or Bangui or Bujumbura, you could get close to Soviets to build rapport with them, assess them and recruit them. You couldn't in Rome. There might be 600 KGB officers in Rome, but there are 30,000 cafeterias and nightclubs and restaurants and bistros and where are you going to find them to have a drink with them to assess them? And in Bangui there's one swimming hole and one set of tennis courts and one set of cocktail parties. And you're gonna run into them whether you try to or not. And I knew this was true, so I bought the Hard Target Program and they began to report very quickly successes. They redirected the CIA, the OD, the Operating Directorates were rewritten, and they began to report successes within a year. And then the next year three KGB and then nine KGB recruited, and 15, and telling the National Security Council and the State Department and key senators about this. And it's a very powerful thing, what they can do. CIA case officer walks in on a Senator. Says, sir, you're not cleared for our information and you can't be cleared for it. I could lose my job if I even talk to you about what's in this file. But I respect you so much and I know you're such... I'm gonna go get a cup of coffee and I'll be back in 30 minutes. And leave the file on the desk and walk out. And the Senator reads it, and it's about how a case officer recruited a KGB officer in some African place, powerful stuff. And then that Senator goes back to the state and goes on television and says, you know, I know these people and I've worked with these people and they are good. And you know, I mean, he's bought for life. Okay. I went to Vietnam, I came back. A friend of mine from Africa Division, very close to me, called me up one day and said, you gotta come to dinner. He had gotten a job in the Soviet Division. A peculiar job, very special job where he had access, would be working with the most sensitive operations that the United States government, the CIA had against the Soviet target, against the KGB, the real honest to God spies we had in Moscow and all of that. And he had gotten briefed that day. I went to dinner and he was giggling, it was so funny. The Chief of Operations of Soviet Division had told him that none of these operations from the Hard Target Program had or would ever amount to a serious recruitment of anyone in the KGB. And that was being done pure and simply to keep our presence throughout Africa and keep case officers busy. And he had told him about the real operations and we had some, and none of them came from the Hard Targets Program, nor would they ever. What were we getting, we weren't lying altogether. We were recruiting the clerk of the Soviet Embassy, who was such a weak individual that nobody in his embassy would go drinking with him. So he's out drinking by himself, becoming an alcoholic, while his wife is sleeping with someone else in the embassy. And here comes Mr. CIA observing this fact and drinks with him and becomes his big buddy. And what was happening was that the Soviet Embassy would notice this friendship and send the guy back to Moscow. They didn't kill people for this sort of thing, they're not nearly as harsh as all of that, but they would debrief them, much as they would debrief us coming back. And they would say, we know all about your American friend. We know he's CIA, we know he wanted to recruit you. We think you should see this film about Penkovsky. Penkovsky was a KGB general who did work for the CIA until he was caught and captured and executed. And then they would tell the guy, we think it would be very unfortunate if you ever even waved or said hello to an American the rest of your life. And these were you know, and then a non-job in some vast bureaucracy there, and these were individuals who by no means would ever have the dynamism to break back into a higher career or the courage to defy the threat and recontact the CIA, and the CIA knew it. And the Hard Target Program, as the Chief of Operations of the Soviet Division told my friend was PAP, to pacify people inside the agency, to make us feel worthwhile and to buy, to control, to keep our turf in the government in terms of overseas presence. Okay, before I went to Vietnam. Do need to remind you there are many incidents, experiences, sea stories that are enlightening and fun, and we just can't get into them, there simply isn't time. One that I'll just touch on however, would that we could talk about it and analyze it, it was great fun and very enlightening. But I'll just mention it. The Chief of Station from Nairobi came back to Washington. He was said to be Howard Bane, his name has been published. I don't reveal names, but this man is a public figure And his name has been published in \"The New York times\" and elsewhere. He came back to Washington and he said the Hard Target Program, he was supposed to be the meanest, best case officer in the CIA, senior case officer. He was the guy who threw Kwame Nkrumah out of Ghana, or at least he got credit for it and whatnot. He came back and he said, the Hard Target Program, we have got every conceivable operation going against the Soviets and Chinese, except we don't have anybody in bed with them. Now, at that time in the CIA, the policy was not to approve or encourage, I mean, what they taught you in training and then backed up in later life, sex operations. Not the kind of sex operation you automatically think of that's done with knives and needles and threads as in Renee Richards. But you know, James Bond sex operations. The CIA had tried these extensively during the '50s and they found that when men and women start sleeping together, everybody gets confused and you just simply don't get intelligence out of it. And so the policy was to simply avoid sex operations. Okay, this powerful guy, a board committee meeting, he's back to tell us about this big project he wants to run. And he's starting to tell about getting somebody in bed with the Soviet ambassador. And one of the people, head of another department that was at this meeting, he said, you're not talking about prostitutes. And he said, no, he hit his fist on the table and he said, I'm talking about special access agents. So we proceeded to go recruiting special access agents to send them to the field, to go to bed with the Soviet and Chinese ambassador. We went down to Miami Beach because the Republican Convention was about to be held there, and the vice squad of the Washington Police told us that there would be a lot special access agents there for the convention. We didn't find any who spoke Russian and a few other details, so. But we did eventually recruit a fabulous, brilliant, beautiful woman for this purpose. And again, like I say, it was a very exciting period in my life. We got the introduction to this woman by the way, from the Secret Service of the White House and we recruited her and we, anyway. I went to Vietnam shortly after that because two reasons. I found myself in a divorce situation for one, and for another, I wanted to see Vietnam. I could not, it was inconceivable that I could be in the Foreign Service and never have been to Vietnam. It was obviously the dominant event in our foreign affairs in the '60s and '70s, I had to see it for myself. So in June of 1973, after the US troops had withdrawn, the Vietnamization Program in Vietnam, I went to Saigon. The CIA's presence was up to full strength because that would be a signal. If we pulled out the US troops and the US secret government, it would be a signal that we really were putting them away, forgetting them, let them go down the drain. If we kept the CIA up to force, it was said that that would be a signal to them that we were serious about supporting the country and defending it from communism. So I thought I would spend 18 months in Saigon working out of the embassy. 80 officers doing the work of about six. I would see a lot of Vietnam, play tennis and chess, and then go back and decide if I wanted to continue my career in the agency, in the secret government. Now, I got a lot more out of Vietnam than I'd bargained for. Suddenly, I found myself in the real world. A guy shot himself upcountry right after I got there. They snatched me away and put me in Tay Ninh Province as officer in charge. By now I was a GS-14, a Colonel. I was in charge of 50 people, running operations. My compound, my office was 10 miles from COSVN Headquarters, the Communist Command for South Vietnam and the Tay Ninh woods of Tay Ninh province, and six miles or so from the Cambodian border. And there was fighting. Constant fighting, major battles. Right after I got there 300 South Vietnamese soldiers were killed in an ambush. They brought the bodies back in, they didn't have the refrigerated trucks and body bags and everything and they weren't as well organized. They laid them out in a field until the families could be called to come get them. And it took several days in the sun, the humidity. The bodies bloated and stank and we were driving past them 20 times a day. And that's the sort of thing in a little upcountry post that will stick in your mind and make you reflect. I also found the police chief in my post was a sadist, and he was in the habit of doing his knife work on prisoners that didn't have family to protect them in a CIA safe house called a pink house. I wrote a memo to the Chief of Station telling him about this, he didn't answer. He caught me at a dinner party and he said, John, what do you want me to do? We're not gonna close the post down, it's too important. It would cause too much trouble if we tried to get this man transferred. He said, all I can say is if you don't have the stomach for the job, I can find somebody else who does. But I have to tell you, you'll never get another good job if you're not tough enough for this business. So I went back and I did what is the United States government's policy and the CIA's policy, like in dealing with the death squads in El Salvador. I tried to pretend he wasn't a sadist. I closed the safe house down, I told my staff I did not approve of this sort of thing and did not think it was funny. And then I worked with him for two years, pretending that he wasn't a sadist and that he wasn't doing it anymore. I found that 98% of the operations that the CIA was running in Vietnam were fabrications, open, flagrant fabrications. Case officers talking about them openly. I wrote a memo to the Chief of Base in Bien Hoa, who was my boss in the chain of command, saying that 98% of the operations I found were, what we were doing, what case officers were doing, they were under pressure from Washington to publish or perish so many reports a month and they were graded, and if you didn't get them, you got nasty little notes put in your file. Ted Shackley was the master of that program. So case officers would find somebody who could go up, who would say he could go up into VC country because he had a brother up there somewhere, and then we give him the forged papers, we could do all of that very well. And he would go up and he would come back and he would say I saw my brother, the commander of the 5th division, Nguyen Van Nguyen is his name and he said they're gonna attack next week. And you would, you know, light his cigarette and pour his beer, building a rapport. And then I'll say, great job, wonderful mission, a couple of questions. We happen to know that the 5th Division is over in Song Be. Could you have met the 9th Division? And he would say, did I say 5th Division? I meant the 9th Division, and you would write 9th Division down. And then you'd say, a small problem is that the commander of the 9th Division is not wind on when Nguyen Van Nguyen, it's Nguyen Van Kiet. And he would say, I meant my other brother, Nguyen Van Kiet, and you'd write Nguyen Van Kiet. And then you would send the report in and whether or not they attacked, you know, that wasn't too important. But Washington would come back with a little gold star because the report checked out 100% with the database in Washington, which you knew it would, because you had written the report yourself, of course. My boss called me on the radio down to lunch. He said I wanna to talk to you about this memo. He said it really shocked me that you would write a memo like this. He said, here you're publishing the fact, to everybody in the business that you've got 98% fabrications in Tay Ninh. Nobody else in the country has fabrications, at least they're not writing memos saying so. and I said, oh. And so I tore up the memo and went back to my post. And and because, you know, after all, I was there to see about a divorce and run out a tour and whatnot. And so I didn't say anything more about fabrications, but the fabrications got more serious, the intelligence failures got more serious. In the winter of 1975, you recall in March the communists attacked tentatively and the South collapsed instantly like a porcelain vase hit with a sledgehammer. Now we upcountry knew that it was a skeleton army that couldn't fight a bit if it was seriously attacked, but we were prohibited from reporting this by CIA policy. The Chief of Station, Tom Polgar actually toured the country in January, February of '75, getting case officers together and saying I want no more reports about the corruption of the South Vietnamese army and its weakness and its inability to fight. What was happening is the situation was so corrupt, they couldn't make their soldiers go on patrol because the officers were all making money. The only people who weren't profiting from the war were the 18 year olds who were supposed to die in the fighting. The colonel would let 1/2 of his troops go home if they would come in and sign a pay voucher so he could pocket the money. Then he could sell 1/2 of the uniforms and boots and M16s to the communists. He could use 1/2 of the trucks to haul produce and 1/2 of the helicopters to haul heroin, and he could make a lot of money. The troops that were left that couldn't buy their way out of service, of course knew the corruption, knew how many of their buddies were gone, knew the outfit couldn't fight. And when they were first attacked in II Corps you recall, by the communists, the officers knew what they had done to their own units, so they immediately got on the helicopters and flew away and left the troops behind, and there was mutiny and chaos and the South just simply collapsed and rolled, rolled itself up. The communist couldn't advance as fast as the South was collapsing and running away. Now why were we prohibited from reporting this? The reason was that Henry Kissinger had decreed that we would Vietnamize the fighting and give the South Vietnamese Army enough weapons and ammunition to fight for itself. And it would be disloyal for the CIA to be reporting that Vietnamization wasn't working. So we were prohibited from reporting this rather important detail. You recall as history unfolded, the communist continued their attack, the South collapsed, we fled in great confusion, a great humiliation for the United States. You can read Frank Snepp's \"Decent Interval\", written about the CIA's role in this thing. Arnold Isaacs' \"Without Honor\" published recently, written about that period of our history. Now, I got from my boss, a quote at that time that stuck in my soul if you will. 147,000 Vietnamese were gotten out and brought in this country, you recall. Another 100,000 into Canada and Europe and elsewhere. Shrimp fishermen, rice farmers, maids, clerks, secretaries, business people were brought out. The CIA by orders from Washington, dumped its own employees. The Vietnamese case officers that worked with us, that were the backbone of our effort in Vietnam. Upcountry, I obviously couldn't run clandestine operations, six feet tall and blue-eyed in Vietnam. We worked through Vietnamese case officers and these people were good, they were as intelligent as we were, they were highly motivated they believed in fighting communist and they had faith in the CIA. We were the invisible government. We could get Air America planes and helicopters and boats and ships, and manipulate people in and out of power after all. Okay, you remember the Westmoreland quote, in \"Hearts and Minds\" where he said let's face it, these people don't have the same evaluation of human life that we do? What he really meant was we didn't have the same evaluation of their human lives that we have of our own. I mean, anybody could tell him or you that a Vietnamese mother loves her babies as much as American mothers do. Maybe more because of the threat and the hostility and the fighting and the danger, I don't know. How can you measure mother's love and family ties? 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disturbed","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36633/file/105758#t=29.55,32.8"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36633/file/105758/transcript/22782/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by the way things were done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36633/file/105758#t=32.8,34.87"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36633/file/105758/transcript/22782/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He wrote 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Vietnam.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36633/file/105758#t=38.32,41.9"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36633/file/105758/transcript/22782/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's pretty well said it for John Stockwell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36633/file/105758#t=41.9,44.58"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36633/file/105758/transcript/22782/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, back to Washington, they sent us on 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We dumped our people. I dumped 54 people and left them behind. And we had the helicopters to get them out. Stu Harrington an FSO in the embassy at that time, wrote afterwards he also was disturbed by the way things were done. He wrote afterwards, he said, \"I know of no words in any language that could express the shame I felt as I left Vietnam.\" That's pretty well said it for John Stockwell. Well, back to Washington, they sent us on leave. They said, \"We don't have desks for everybody, much less jobs, go home. We will call you. Don't call us.\" So, I got three months of free leave down in Texas. The phone rang one day in July of 1975. \"John, get up here today. Something big is going down and you're involved.\" And I got, and I walked into the office of the chief of Africa Division and he told me, that the Soviets were moving to take over Angola to exploit our weakness after Vietnam, that there were some Marxist bad guys involved, that Henry Kissinger determined to stop them, that he had ordered the CI to do it. He'd given us $14 million. The first plane load of arms had flown out the night before, another plane was leaving in two days. And I had been picked to be chief of the Angola task force that would manage this operation. And it was the next \"Bay of Pigs\", the next big covert action. It was the most sensitive thing happening in the United States government at that time. It was a job that would normally go to GS17s or 16s at least. And I was a GS14, a colonel. He told me that it would be my chance if I did a good job and covered my ass thoroughly and didn't crash in anything, it would be a good chance to move up into top management of the CIA. And he thrusts some cables in my hand and said, \"We're frantically busy. You're here to run it. Get these cables out and get these planes on the way.\" And I staggered out of the office astonished. I couldn't believe that the United States was getting into another such war after having closed down Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. Three big covert actions over at wars, and here we were doing it again. Another third world situation, liberation movements, leaders we didn't really know to stop communists. I did what I think any reporter would do, case officer would do. I didn't tell him, \"Hell no\". I mean, I'd been talking to my kids about getting out of the CI. I mean, I'd spent the summer with nightmares and lying awake all day, trying to figure this out. And now they wanted me to run the next one. And my first reaction was, I couldn't believe my ears. I wanted to understand. Was it true? Were we really doing it? What was behind it? And so I spent a few days wandering around, running up and down the halls in great confusion, trying to find time to read the files and find out what was really going on. And after about four days, I found myself with a Sunday afternoon, I went out into \"Great Falls Park\" and jogged and went up on a rock and sat for about four hours thinking about it. And the one thing that stuck in my mind more than anything else is in this job, I would sit on a subcommittee of the \"National Security Council\", i.e. I would be in that room with the map, with the pens in it. I would see every document that was written in our government about this operation, every intelligence report, I would know about every conversation, every one copy, eye's only for the president letter et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I couldn't resist. Angry and disillusioned as I was. I couldn't resist the opportunity to see for myself if these things would make sense if you really knew what was going on inside. And I will freely confess in the confusion of my emotions and depression that I was working against that I hoped I would find serious, deeply concerned, dedicated men, making very difficult decisions based on desperate information, which only they, we knew. And the rest of the world didn't know. If I had found that to be the case, I could have continued my career or gotten out of the CI but knowing that, even though I had taken a bloody nose, in Vietnam and whatnot, that at least my government was right or doing the right thing or trying to do the right thing. So, I plunged into this op. I just made a deal with the devil. I just said, \"I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna work hard, so that I know everything that's happening in Angola so that I'm part of everything that's happening.\" And so I plunged into, it was supposed to go for two months. Then we would have elections and the good guys would win. And it would all be over. It lasted much longer than that. Once again, I got more than I bargained for. Okay? What did I find in terms of these wise gray beards in our government that were running this covert action that destabilized Angola and killed 10,000 or so people? I found President Ford, whom you will recall was notoriously an intellectual giant. I found Henry Kissinger who was smart but he was not interested in anything south of the equator. He didn't do his homework. He didn't know much about Africa. He didn't care. He just wanted to thwart the Soviets a little bit while they were moving into Angola. If, I mean, that was the way he saw what was happening in Angola, which in itself was false. Bill Colby, the CI director he was charged with running this thing, had never served in Africa. I don't think he'd ever been to Africa. He had done his entire career in Europe and Southeast Asia. Bill Nelson, the deputy director of operations never been to Africa, Europe and Southeast Asia for his whole career. Jim Potts, the GSAT in Africa division chief who was actually responsible for doing it. Had done his entire career in Europe. He'd had two, two week Rowan tours of the African continent. His deputy, whom I call Paul Benton in my book, gets down to a level of somebody who's not a public figure. And I don't wanna get into the names controversy. He had never set foot in Africa. He'd done his entire career in Southeast Asia. And he was back here to help us run this. He came all the way down to meet the first person in the chain of command who had an African background. And I had been away for two years and out of it for two years. How serious were they? I found fat old men sleeping through subcommittee meetings of the \"National Security Council\", in which we were making decisions that were leading to people being killed. A couple of, we don't have time to analyze the Angolan thing and I am trying to move along. But the \"Kissinger Chair\", is one anecdote that I will tell you that illustrates the sort of thing that I found. \"National Security Council\" meetings, high pressure things, busy people, who have a great sense of their own importance. Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, and such. One hour to consider five or six situations in the world and make decisions, and go on to their other meetings and their busy schedule. They come in, the CI director or the appropriate officer will brief them. Some Colonel or somebody will be flipping charts and maps and stuff around. Then they'll consider an options paper. Colby would answer questions about it. And then they'll check an option and say, \"Let's go with option C\" and everybody will agree. And then that Colonel will leave. And another one will bring in maps and charts about Micronesia or some other place. And they'll be briefed on it. The first briefings about Angola were like this, \"Gentlemen as you can see, this is a map of Africa. And this is Angola. Now there are three liberation movements in Angola. One of them, the FNLA is led by Holden Roberto who is an old friend of the CIA. The other one, the bad guys, the MPLA is led by Agostinho Neto this drunken psychotic poet, Agostinho Neto. As the third movement led by UNITA led by Jonas Savimbi. He's been pretty radical but we're beginning to get signals that we might be able to work with him.\" So, went the briefings, okay? One day, one of these busy meetings Henry Kissinger was a few minutes late. He found the Secretary of Defense sitting in the chair that he normally sat in. Now, mind you, this is not a Supreme Court meeting, which is a legal event and there are orders prescribed. The \"National Security Council\", the Secretary of State is supposed to preside, but you know thick oaken cheer in a paneled room and all of that. And the Secretary of Defense was sitting there. And Henry said, \"Out, you know, my chair.\" And the Secretary of Defense said, \"You know, I'm spread out here. Why don't you sit down there today?\" And Kissinger said, \"No, my chair.\" And they argued about it for five minutes. And the Secretary of Defense got his dander up and he simply refused to move. And so Henry Kissinger went down and sat at the other end of the table, but he turned his back at the board. He wouldn't listen to the briefings that day because he couldn't have his chair. Well, what happened? We don't have time to analyze it. Those were anecdotes, illustrating the tone and caliber of the thing, the corruption in the field, $5 million in cash going through case officer's hands without receipts, et cetera. I don't have time to get into. But I did see the lies, the important things. The CIA and the United States lied to everybody about every aspect of this program. The entire thrust of everything we did in terms of public statements, you would sit there and you would analyze, you would write up public statements to be read by the state department spokesman or Patrick Moynihan, who was our big voice, the ambassador to the United Nations. And we would write out these things, thinking about what would the, if we say this, it will have this effect on the people. If we say it this way, it'll make them react you know, a little bit. Always about, you know, like writing fiction. Do you wanna get people to laugh? Or do you wanna get 'em to cry? Never once, in the seven months or so, that this program ran, busily, did anybody in the CIA, command or the subcommittee of the \"National Security\" say, \"Why don't we tell them the truth this time? Just for fun today.\" Never at any point did they consider telling the truth. Now, some of the lies got to be very serious. The Congress was concerned that we would be involved with South Africa's troops that were fighting in Angola. The law prohibited U.S involvement militarily with South Africa. The convention we had signed with the United Nations condemned South Africa. This would be a serious thing. The Congress was asking us if we were involved with South Africa and Bill Colby would say, \"No! We're staying well away from the South Africans.\" In fact, we were coordinating with the South Africans so closely that we would have our C-141's land at the Kinshasa Airport at two o'clock in the morning. At the same time, we would have two South African L-100's land so we could transfer the arms directly to their planes. And they could all three planes, fly right away before dawn, and the reporters might see what we were doing. And we were giving them oil and fuel and ammunition, and planning battles with them. They were running our fight in the South for us. And Bill Colby told the Congress we were staying well away from 'em. They were concerned about the United States being involved with the mercenaries that were appearing in Angola. Now, mind you, I had protested the use of mercenaries. I had tried to explain to Jim Potts and the others, that hiring whites in Europe and the United States and sending them to black Africa to kill blacks, in order to impose your will on blacks, isn't a good way to make the United States loved, and liked throughout the third world. It's kind of like a no no. And I had dealt with mercenaries and I had some sense of what kind of incompetent maniacs they tend to be. They're not good soldiers. And I had dealt with him before and I knew Bob Denard, and some of the others. And so I was explaining this to Jim Potts and he got a bing. He got, you know, the light bulb went off and so he sent a cable to all stations in the field saying, \"We have to face the fact that the word mercenary has bad connotations, hereafter, we will refer to our people as foreign military technicians.\" And so we were able to testify to the Senate that we had no mercenaries in Africa. We had foreign military technicians. In fact, and I give all the details in my book. We had four armies, four units that we planned in the subcommittee. We sent someone overseas, to recruit foreign military technicians, and send them into Angola, white foreign military technicians to kill blacks, to impose our will on these people. Like I say, there were others important lies that were told. Important questions to which Bill Colby, in formal briefings of the \"Oversight Committees\" lied, and gave false answers to. Now, the \"Hughes-Ryan Amendment\" prescribes that in any covert action, the President has to submit a finding saying, \"We're doing Nicaragua or .\" And then the CI director has to brief the six committees. We briefed six committee, six times, that the \"Hughes-Ryan Amendment\", does not prescribe that you have to tell 'em the truth. And they don't put people in jail, for CI people in jail, for lying about these things. So we just lied. And we lied to him, Ambassador Moynihan to the public. And we lied to the President on occasion, everybody lying to everybody to cover up what we were doing because we knew, that the public, the Senate, the Congress, the world would stop us if they knew the truth. Now, these were visible lies that we were telling, and we were caught out eventually. In our association with South Africa, in our mercenaries, and what we were doing. in July of 1975, where we were painting this propaganda picture and mind you I have propagandists working for me, pumping stories into the press, about Cuban rapists, about Soviet arms and manipulation. And these of course we did. There were no Cuban rapists. The Soviet arms were not what we were saying they were, but it was designed to create the impression of evil communists taking over Angola. In July of 1975, virtually all of the OAU and Nyerere, Kaunda, Kenyatta, Idi Amin, Senghor were all supporting us. By December January, all of them had turned on us. Nyerere was helping the other side. And Nigeria was demonstrating against what we were doing, and giving money to the MPLA and supporting the MPLA in Cuban program. We were caught out in the lies, and we nailed the United States with another defeat right on the heels of Vietnam. Now, interestingly enough in this program, the Soviet Union told the truth about what their program was. And they published in Tufts, who they would support, and what they would do. Fidel Castro went on public television in Havana, and spoke for eight hours, explaining in detail why, and to what degree Cuba would support the MPLA. China had a major general hold a press conference at the Kinshasa Airport. And they said who they would support, how many advisers they had, and how many arms they were giving to the FNLA. The United States lied. Now, I wrote the book. I quit and wrote the book about what had happened. I titled a book \"In Search Of Enemies\" because I was struck by the fact that the MPLA, had not wanted us to fight them. They had begged us, they'd come to Washington and said, \"We don't want to be pushed into the arms of the Soviet Union. We want relations with the West. We want to be politically non-aligned but trade with the West and work with the West. We like the United States.\" And we attacked them and fought them. We rationalized at that time that they were saying this to us dishonestly to distract us so we wouldn't attack them and fight them so they could have a free ride taking over the country. But it turned out that they were working in good faith. Because immediately we were whupped completely in February of '76. In March of '76, they invited \"Gulf Oil\" to come back in, and began pumping their oil with US technicians. And they put Cuban troops to protect the \"Gulf Oil\" fields from the FNLA and CI mercenaries who were still active in Angola. And to this day, you still have Cuban troops protecting the \"Gulf Oil\" facilities in Cabinda and Angola. They bought five 737 airplanes from \"Boeing\", in Seattle, not \"Aeroflot\", from Russia. And they had 52 Americans go in that spring to install radar systems to handle these planes. Now, several years later, Gulf has testified in Washington that they have found the MPLA to be a reliable, and dependable business partners. David Rockefeller toured Southern Africa a year and a half ago and came back, and held a press conference and he said, \"We have no problem in doing business with these so-called radical states. The leaders are educated. They understand international finance. They need us, we need them. And we can work with them very well.\" Okay. I have to correct one point though that the CI was not 100% dishonest and inaccurate, and the information that it had internally and externally about the Angolan program. When I called up the computer staff about the key players in Angola, I got the piece that called that in writing that Agostinho Neto was a drunken psychotic poet. I'll read you one of his poems. \"10 sheets nailed to pools fixed in the earth make a house. Rags complete the landscape. The sun penetrating cracks awakes each occupant. Afterwards 12 hours of slaving work. Break stone, cut stone, break stone, cut stone. In the sun, in the rain. Break stone, cut stone. Old age comes early. A course mat in the dark of night suffices to die, grateful and hungry.\" So, we were right about one thing. He was a poet. Okay. My education, which had been incomplete, except for the school of hard knocks, and seeing the lies from the inside, began when I left the CI. I traveled, I met people. I testified for days to the Senate. They didn't do anything about it. They weren't about prosecuting Henry Kissinger for perjury or Bill Colby. The cynicism continued. I read literally hundreds of books. I visited Cuba, Nicaragua, Grenada. I met Maurice Bishop and Bernard Coard and talked to them about their philosophies of life. I visited Hungary, trying to educate myself. I read the background of the CIA. And I found what I didn't realize at the time. It wasn't just the Congo and Vietnam and Angola, that the CI had run these 20,000 operations. And I read about some of these operations. I found, for example, the CI formed in 1947, right at the end of the war when American credibility was sky high. And the Soviet Union, the CI was formed, as the \"Doolittle Commission Report\" verbalized it. There are no rules in such a game. \"Hitherto acceptable norms of human conduct do not apply. If the United States is to survive long standing American concepts of fair play must be reconsidered. We must develop effective espionage, and counter espionage services. We must learn to subvert, sabotage, and destroy our enemies by more clever, more sophisticated, and more effective methods than those used against us. It may become necessary that the American people be acquainted with, understand and support this fundamentally repugnant philosophy.\" Okay this, in 1947, when in fact the Soviet Union had lost in the war in its industrial base, and the European part of the Soviet Union. 20 million people, 4. million houses, 1,710 towns raised, 70,000 villages raised, 25 million people homeless, 65,000 kilometers of railroads destroyed, 15,800 locomotives destroyed, 428,000 freight cars destroyed. Read Daniel Yergen's \"Shattered Peace\". For the condition of the Soviet Union at the time, we were forming the CIA, and commissioning it to launch this war. Now, Clark Clifford testified years later that they added the CI was to be an overt body, so information could be analyzed, so there would never be another \"Pearl Harbor\". Clark Clifford testified that they added on the covert operation so that the President would have some button he could push in the government, if another Hitler appeared. Every five years, threatening our national security in some serious way. And, so they gave the CI, the license to run operations, to define what operations it would run. Now, what they misunderstood Clark Clifford and Harry Truman apparently, was the OSS people who continued and became the CIA, their compulsion's run operations. They were running the first operations within three weeks of the date the bill was signed. By the end of the first year, they had run several hundred operations overseas defending our national security interests. Now, 35 years later, they've run several hundred operations a year for 35 years. That's 10 or 15 or 20,000 covert operations they've run. What kind of operations? I'll just touch on a few and then we'll bring this to an end. China, 19 years of secret war against China. Destabilizing China. Teams parachuted in from , Burma and Tibet. Destabilization is not fun for the people in the country involved. It means making it so that the social and economic fabric of the country don't work. So that the hospitals are treating wounded people instead of sick. And the farmers can't take their produce to market. And the children can't go to school. Now remember all of those years, when China didn't like us, and they called us the running dogs of capitalism and they hated us. And we, you and I, couldn't understand these inscrutable paranoid oriental communists, who didn't like us because we know, we're good guys. We know Americans are nice people, aren't we? But see, we didn't know the CI was attacking China. Now, why didn't China parachute teams into California or Iowa or New York or somewhere and destabilize? For the pure and simple reason that we were the superpower with the big bombs. They simply couldn't do it. So all they could do was scream and complain about it. Guatemala. Read the book \"Bitter Fruit\" by Schlesinger and Kinzer. Kinzer the New York Times journalists today. It's about the overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz in 1954. And I used to say when people would ask me, \"Are there any good covert actions?\" I'd say, \"Well, the CIA brags about Guatemala.\" And in fact it accomplished its objectives and overthrew this Arbenz, who was supposed to be a communist. Studying the record and documents, public documents and business documents, and FOI documents, they wrote this book. Here's what really happened in Guatemala. Arbenz was the democratically elected president. He was trying to buy back from \"United Fruit\" the unused lands and give them to the peasants so they would have a stake in the economy. \"United Fruit\", virtually owned the country. He was proposing to pay $2 and 98 cents an acre for lands they had bought 10 years before for a dollar 50 cents Approximately a hundred percent profit for unused land. The state department stepped in and demanded that he pay $75 an acre. The country couldn't do it. And it was outrageous. So, he was proceeding with his plan, okay? The CIA, the U.S government, castigated him as a communist, and engineered at coup, bloody coup and overthrew him. An army marched on the capital and they throw him out of power and installed Armas, a puppet, in power. They plucked him from nowhere and said, \"You're the president, sign this, we got a deal.\" Now, history has shown us, now, that there was not a single communist in Arbenz's cabinet, there was a communist party in the country, it was tiny and it was not part of the government. But history shows us that the United States leaders, were in fact capitalist. Henry Cabot Lodge, the U.S ambassador to the United Nations, at that time, had personal stock holdings in \"United Fruit Company\". John Lodge, the Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs had personal stock holdings in \"United Fruit Company\". And his brother was the former president of the \"United Fruit Company\". John Foster Dulles, the Secretary of State, had a law firm that advised the Bank on legal matters involving Central America, specifically, about Guatemala, that bank held the papers on the Guatemalan railroad which was owned by \"United Fruit Company\". And John Foster Dulles's brother, Alan Dulles, was the CI director who engineered the coup to overthrow Arbenz. Telling people, the American people, that he was a communist. History now shows us what happened. The next three leaders of Guatemala died violent deaths. \"United Fruit Company\", went broke anyway. And the president jumped out of the Pan-American building in Washington. And \"Amnesty International\", tells us that the governments of Guatemala, that the CIA put in power and continued to support had killed, butchered 85,000 people. Iran, 1954, the CI ousted, Mosaddegh, installed the Shah, and began training SAVAK. On the one hand, the Shah stole $16 billion from Iran for his personal family fortune. On the other hand, training SAVAK for its brutal operations against the Iranian people, you saw what happened and where we stand with Iran today. We bought a few years of friendship with them but we did not advance United States long-term interest in the Middle East by doing what we did with the Shah. Cuba. Fidel Castro, again, the \"In Search of Enemies\", principle, he took power, he went to Washington, to see about to talk his first trip outside the country. In Washington, he talked to Vice President Nixon, who was said to have had ties with mafia leaders in Cuba. He definitely talked to mafia leaders Trafficante, George Raft and Trafficante, and a couple of others had built the big hotels and they said, \"Great, Batista's out. He wasn't very bright anyway, you're welcome. Here's how the system works. You get your cut. The gambling, prostitution, drugs, this is the way it's gonna work.\" And he said, \"Hey, I can't organize the society to work for the people the way I would like to with that kind of crap going on.\" So he turned to another system, okay? Did we meet him and his humanitarian efforts to reorganize the society and invest in the country, and thereby link it with us so he couldn't become too radical and go too far from us? We did not. We attacked him, an invasion, \"The Bay of Pigs\". We don't have time to analyze it today. Read or any one of the 10 other books on the \"Bay of Pigs\". That didn't work. So, we organized the \"Operation Mongoose War\", to destabilize Cuba, for seven years. Nice guy stuff, parachuting teams, and sending 'em in by boat. Blowing up things, on occasion blowing up schools, trying to burn the sugar cane crop, disseminating swine fever among the hog population, to kill all the pigs off. Bombs in Havana. Department stores, a bomb in the port of Havana. Boom! People killed. And then when they were digging in the rubble to pull out the bodies, the second bomb goes off. We're so shocked by what happened in Lebanon now. This stuff of terrorism, the CI has been a master at that for 20 or 30 years. Nice guy stuff and 13 attempts to kill Fidel. Read the as I say. Look up the text or get a tape of the \"CI's Secret Army\" by Dan Rather a CBS special. Dan Rather, Bill Moyers, 1978, I believe it came out. And then it was redone by Bill Moyers for PBS later on. Congo. CI ousted and killed a democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. Installed Mobutu to power through bribery and corruption. \"Here Joe, here's $25,000 give it to that guy. Here's a million dollars pay these salaries, so these people will be loyal to you, okay?\" It worked. We got him in power and we told him he had to eliminate his rival. And so his people beat Lumumba to death. And he took over the presidency. Now, you can't have someone put in power by bribery and corruption and murder and have 'em suddenly turn out to be honest, can you? Mobutu is now listed by the \"Belgian Financial Journals\", as having a personal fortune of $4.5 billion. The national debt of Zaire is $4.2 billion. Zaire now, is about where it was 70 or 80 or 100 years ago. In terms of roads, sewage, communications, hospitals, schools. It is plunged back into history because of Mobutu's corruption and theft. Yet it came into being, with modern state of Zaire at the same time Fidel began to build Cuba. Now you and I, we hate communism because we're Americans but just looking objectively at Cuba, the bottom 20% of the economy in Cuba have a better deal than the bottom 20% in this country. Easily, they all are guaranteed employment, we have 10% unemployed. The next 10% this country have shitty jobs. Their bottom 20% have jobs. They have medicine. If you're out of work and your children get sick, and they need to go to the hospital, and you don't have insurance and all of these nice things, they may die. In Cuba, they have free medicine. They have free school and the Cubans participate in the political process, far, far more than Americans do. They're encouraged to. If they don't go to the block and the committee, and the regional meetings that you know the neighbors say, \"Where were you? Why didn't you come?\" We're battling to get this thing for- \"Now, it's not our system. They don't have a twin party system. And the elections every four years where we make choices between great statesman like Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. But they do have a political system, and the people do participate in it. And nobody can visit Cuba and come away, and serious go, for yourselves and see. Don't take my word for it and come away, and seriously say that this is a brutally oppressed people, who love and hate their country. They drink, they play. They fall in love. They have children. They love their children. They have jobs. They have frustration. They have, it's a poor country. They don't have goods and stuff that they would like. Go to Cuba and see for yourself. Go to Hungary and other communist countries. I swear to God, I visited Hungary and looked around not an in-depth study, but I came away absolutely convinced that even though they're communists, they only eat babies for breakfast on Fridays, but not the other six days of the week. Guyana. 1963, they ousted the democratically elected Cheddi Jagan. The CI did it through destabilization, riot, bombing, arson. See the BBC film, \"The Rise and Fall of the CIA\". Working through the labor, \"International Labor Organizations\". Vietnam the CIA, as you recall, during \"World War II\" the American Intelligence worked with Ho Chi Minh, to save the pilots and fight the Japanese. 1945, he had a victory parade, the independence of Vietnam. In his car and on the podium with him were American Intelligence officers. And he quoted the \"American Declaration of Independence\". Okay? We immediately supported the French. He whooped the French, Dien Bien Phu, 1954. So, we stepped in and partitioned the country. We said there would be elections in 1956. President Eisenhower admitted that if there had been elections, the South would've voted 80% for Ho Chi Minh. So, we didn't have elections. We put in power. We manipulated propaganda to terrorize the Catholics in the North so that the communists would You remember the stories or you could go back and dig them up, of the communists, this hospital full of Catholic women, pregnant women. And the communist went in and cut open a thousand pregnant women to look at the fetuses, Catholic pregnant women. And the Catholics, the propaganda drums were beat. These stories were put out. It was untrue like the Cuban rapists in Angola. The Catholics fled to the South. Then the CIA could photograph these 1 million Catholics fleeing to the South, and put it on U.S television. And American people could they identify with that see. Like Vietnamese Catholics fleeing from communists of course, you know. So, then we had a state created in the South, an artificial state, we cut it off and said that sort of belongs to us like a neo-colony. That's exactly the way we ran it. Putting governments in power. was supported only by these Catholics. The rest of the 20 million people were Buddhists. He tried to control them through terrorism. The Buddhist priests began to burn themselves. And so we had to oust him He wouldn't step down. So we engineered a coup using big men. We threw him out of power and killed him. Then we had other people and eventually who was Buddhist, but corrupt. And we supported him through them. Read the book by Ralph McGehee \"Deadly Disease\". But the CI also, in addition to the killing, and wars overseas turned on the American people. The \"MK-Ultra\" program read, \"In Search Of The Manchurian Candidate\" experimenting on American citizens with LSD, experimenting with disease, dragging the barge through the harbor, the port of San Francisco Bay, leaking a virus to measure that technique for crippling a city, whooping cough epidemics launched to see what it would do to a community if all the kids had whooping cough et cetera, et cetera. Read \"In Search Of A Manchurian Candidate\", it's based on 14,000 documents gotten out of the CI, under the FOIA. Colonel White, who was head of that program, one of the CI greats who was retiring, sort of about the same time I was moving up, wrote from retirement, \"I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun. Where else could a red blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape, and pillage with the blessings of the old highest. And now, U.S Marines are dying in Lebanon, and we're on the brink of putting U.S troops into Nicaragua. Why? Why? Why would we be seeking out and attacking, and creating enemies in a troubled world? \"The Center for Defense Information in Washington\", tells us that there are 44th wars being fought in the world today, and 4 million people will die in these wars. The Nicaraguan people haven't attacked the United States. They haven't committed one act of war against us. They haven't nationalized any U.S property. They've kept their embassy in Washington and beg for aid to rebuild the country that was raped by Samosa. Build hospitals and schools and mobilize the people to work. Instead we've attacked them.\" My conclusion, the need that this country has now, and if you read again, Howard Zinn, \"A People's History,\" you see the historical pattern you have to have, we're planning, our government is planning to spend $2 trillion on arms in the next five years. It's planning to spend $450 billion on 16,000 atomic weapons that it plans to build and deploy. Our cities are rotting and collapsing. In the newspaper yesterday, I believe it was, they were telling about how in the Bronx and Manhattan, they're putting decals in the windows of the empty buildings. It looked like they were bombed out by a war to make it look like people are living inside. So, they won't be such eyesores. But we don't have the money to rebuild the cities. Our education system has collapsed, to number eighth in the world. We don't have the money, 12 billion, a trivial amount of money for \"Social Security\", to take care of our old people who can't take care of themselves anymore. But, the American people give the president the Amex, give the president the $2 trillion he wants to spend for arms because the world is a very dangerous, threatening place. And my conclusion, this is the Stockholm thesis, \"I Search of Enemies\", thesis, that is why we search out and create enemies in a world that's of course already dangerous. The problem with this is they're already 52,000 Adam bombs in this world between us and the rest of the nation. That's to give or take some. I'm getting that figure from Jonathan Shell's book. That's 12 times the figure that's necessary to eliminate all life from the face of the earth forever. What do we need 16,000 more? Because if we get 16,000 more, the Soviets will build 16,000 more. We don't. We're faced with the almost certainty now as we continue building bombs, and you have warmongering leaders in the United States and London and Tel Aviv and Moscow and elsewhere, the certainty. There cannot be a one in a million chance or not better than a one in a million chance, that we will not have a nuclear war sooner or later with all of these missiles pointing in every direction. And yet we're de-stabilizing and searching for It's like the world was a giant warehouse or the hold of an old ship, full of kegs of gunpowder and the floor is strove with grains of gunpowder. And we're playing with matches in every corner and selling matches to every idiot that would buy them. I can't end this right now without saying that even if there is a one in a million chance that we can reverse this madness and stop the killing, we have to try. The United States people have in fact, as Howard Zinn points out, accomplished a great deal, in forcing the cynical managers of the country, slavery is no longer legal in this country. Not only that, we eventually established a civil rights program that gives people of minority races, equal rights in this country an enormous revolution. This was not done altogether peacefully. There was lots of hard work and some fighting to get it done, but it was done. Women, read the cases of women, and the plight of women, 100 and 200 years ago. Sexually exploited, their labor exploited, husbands right to beat women, beat their wives, whatever, as compared to what women have today, still struggling but nevertheless a change. Labor, at the turn of the century, workers work 16 hours a day, seven days a week, for peanuts in factories. Now they work 40 hours a week, but not a big share of the pie but they do get a bigger piece of the action. All of these things were accomplished by people fighting for their rights, fighting politically, demonstrating, organizing, voting, demanding, insisting, threatening if necessary, class warfare. If it had to come to that to make the government quit abusing them and give them, and the civil war of course, was the eruption of open war. Now, I am not advocating revolution but we can force the government if the American people become concerned, to stop leading us into wars to build friendly relations with the Nicaraguans and of the world to outmaneuver the Soviet's, in making the world a peaceful place and to stop producing bombs and to cut back on the bombs. 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