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My credentials are more practical than academic. I was a missionary in the Dominican Republic for 12 years, after graduating from the University of Minnesota as a Mechanical Engineer, and I'm graduating from Theological Seminary I went as a missionary to the Dominican Republic to San Domingo, and then came back to outside of Rochester New York, where I was a pastor of an Episcopal church for four years, and then came down as Director of Epica the ecumenical program for Inter-American communication and action in 1968. And did my master's work in Latin American studies at the American University in Washington. The program that I'm the director of is an advisory program to the committee on the Caribbean and Latin America the national council of churches, and in Washington DC there are two organizations that receive funding from the national council in relationship to the committee on the Caribbean, Latin America. One is the Washington office on Latin America that basically does lobbying work and work with Congress, NGO organizations and the government. And Epica our organization basically does grassroots education and organizing. We do a lot of speaking. We publish popular primers, popular books on different countries in the Caribbean basin area, and on special reports in the same region. And we were also involved in solidarity work. I'm on the National Advisory Committee of C space which is the committee in solidarity with the people of El Salvador, and Epica has been involved in the creation of about six solidarity networks one on Puerto Rico, called PRC the Puerto Rican solidarity committee, one on Vegas, one on Panama, one called the national network in solidarity with the Nicaraguan people in an SNP C space and the organization in solidarity with the Guatemalan people in Issaquah. Through the solidarity networks, we have a very broad base of organized interest in constituency in relationship to the region, and we feel that the focus on the so-called backyard of the United States is extremely important in terms of being the area where a lot of the contradictions in terms of the role of the United States in that region and the vulnerability that the United States fields in relationship to this region. In terms of, what I was asked to do tonight was to talk a little bit about, some of the contradictions related to the Central American situation. I wanted to do that and then talk about some of the ironies connected with this. And I wanted to say that we're going to get into a number of the myths that are perpetrated by the president administration but also by the previous administration and we feel that we're really dealing with a kind of a general policy here that goes beyond party politics. That is to say policy that's determined by the agencies that, and by the interest sector is economic and political in this country that go beyond the parties the parties then reflect some of those policy positions so that a number of the things that we now see in place as policy in central America were in fact put into place by the Carter administration, as well as by the minister, the Reagan administration. Also to say that the general policy of the United States government today under the Reagan administration is based on so much on propaganda and so little on reality that the only way that we've been able to counter this as to basically talk a lot about history. The historical context for a lot of these so-called myths what really happened and to talk also in some kind of reflective way about what this has done, to the kind of images that the United States has created and the reaction that it's created among the peoples of Central America. I might also say because we feel that these policies are basically Caribbean Basin oriented rather than Central American oriented, that we'll find commonalities in a lot of these policies throughout the region. And then at times, of course, they explode in erupt in the Dominican Republic in 1965 in Cuba in 1961 and in Central America in 1978, 79 and so forth but they really are the responses to a very common kind of policy that is applied throughout the region. So I wanted to talk about some of the myths that are used by the Reagan Administration today and look historically at the real roots of the real truth to behind those myths and the ironies kind of have developed out of them. I think the first one that I'd like to touch on going back a little further in history is the whole contradiction of interventionism, and who is the inter venture in the Caribbean Basin area? United States constantly talks about the Soviet union and Cuba. Most of you know the general history of what we call gunboat diplomacy which came into Vogue after the Spanish American war. Some of you may not know that there were at least 35 US military interventions between 1898 and 1954. And so during that period of time a whole kind of new development, our new reaction to the United States from what had basically been the feeling of Latin American central Americans, people in the Caribbean towards the United States before 1898. When Teddy Roosevelt began to invoke what is called the Roosevelt corollary to the Monroe doctrine which is basically a police keeping role which meant interventionism, and not only interventionism in terms of going in for a few days or a few months but in many countries staying there as you know for extended periods time. The attitude of the people in there, the region, as well as in South America began to change toward the United States. There really was the United States was held in fairly high esteem in terms of its assumed pro democratic pro revolutionary pro underdog kind of a position felt among many people in Latin America. There were symbols or events that suggested that the United States had other goals in mind that go way back to the to the origin of the Moonroe doctrine. I might just give you one of those pieces of history. And that is that seam on I believe are intended to liberate Cuba and Puerto Rico back in 1825 and was told by the United States government that he better not try. As a matter of fact, he had the liberation armies and the flotilla ready to do that to liberate them from the control of colonial Spain and he was told by the some of our early forefathers that he was to stay away from those two islands so that there was some kind of policy developing from very early on in terms of some of the leaders of our government that far back. In terms of this kind of attitude of reaction and resentment toward the United States, they're developed in the 1920s and in the early 1930s a thing called the Anti-imperialist League. And what is interesting about the Anti-imperialist League talking about the United States now, is it was mainly supported by small businessmen throughout central America and the Caribbean, okay. By middle-class business pro capitalist entrepreneurs. And that kind of reaction was not only true because they were being invaded and pushed aside by the US corporations but also because many of these larger corporations came in in a feudal plantation way and pushed aside many of the small landowners in many of the countries and islands of the Caribbean. And so if, even if we look at a situation like the nationalist movement in Puerto Rico, who as you know, attack Blair House in 1950 and then attack the Congress in 1952. All of those people were small business landowners and small businessmen and small landowners that were pushed aside by the sugar corporations from the United States and grew out of that land expulsion policy, forced on them and reinforced by the presidents of the US marines. So this whole interventionists situation and the fear and recipient opposition to the United States goes back to those roots. And as far as Russia is concerned in Central America Russia doesn't know where Central America and the Caribbean are, basically, that is to say there's been almost no presence of Russia in this area. The second thing that I wanted to to mention was the contradiction of the banana republics. We very often talk about the Banana Republic in a disparaging way, referring to those Banana Republic as though there was something in the character of the central Americans that turns them into people who support Banana Republic. In fact, all of that was forced upon them as you know, and I wanted to give you some specific examples of that particularly in relationship to Honduras as kind of perhaps the classic Banana Republic in Central America. I might say, however that this fits directly into our flows out of the first period of time of gunboat diplomacy. There is a film that has on tape former US Marine by the name of Major Smedley Butler. I don't know whether some of you have seen his quote, but he says very openly. He said, \"I made the Caribbean and these Caribbean Central \"American countries safe for United fruit, \"and for the corporations that was our role to keep those \"areas open for the penetration of the corporations.\" In terms of the Honduras example, and this is just one example among many, the Banana Republic were created by chase Manhattan manufacturers trust, Castle and Cooke United fruit. These corporations were what made the Central American countries Banana Republics. In the early 19 hundreds, chase Manhattan came in and set up the Banco Atlantida in Honduras, Castle and Cooke came up and set up standard fruit that did the production of the bananas and a United fruit came up and set up Taylor Railroad. And the Taylor Railroad is what carried the bananas up and down the Atlantic coast. And you can see the distorted agricultural or economic development in Honduras by knowing that Honduras is the only country where you have a second city that is more important economically than the capital city. That is to say something Pedro Sula which sits on the Atlantic coast and was basically created by the presence of these corporations and by the Banco Atlantida. So you have a situation where these corporations controlled from 1802 until after world war too 80% of the GNP of Honduras, and continue to this present day to control 60% of the GMP of Honduras. You can imagine if three corporations of that size controlled 80% of the GNP of Iowa the influence that they would also have over the politics in Iowa. And that's exactly what has happened down through the years in Honduras. No one ever got into the presidency of Honduras that those corporations did not want in the presidency. If there were two or three candidates running for office all of them acceptable to the corporations, then you could carry out a more or less a free electoral vote, as long as there wasn't someone in there that those corporations disagreed with. So we have to understand that not only the economic under-development, if any of you have been to Honduras you know what I mean, in terms of under development. A place where you is very difficult to even travel on the roads they're in such bad shape, where you can go to many small towns and not find a single telephone, where you can find many areas where there's no hospitals, tremendous lack of schools and other kinds of facilities very backwards situation has in fact been the result of the development of under development, through the concentration of these corporations, of course who were basically using Honduras, shipping out the wealth and their interests in creating an oligarchy, in the Honduran case, that was basically a dependent oligarchy that is not an independent oligarchy is we, have based on coffee in the case of El Salvador, but a dependent oligarchy totally related to these North American corporations 'cause they control 80% of the GMP so everything really relates to them. The third factor, I think, in the historical development of what is the present crisis in Central America, has to be seen in terms of the fact that, as a result of the of the policy of gunboat diplomacy with two which growing opposition was developing during this whole period of time and really became very strong in the late 1920s, and during the early 1930s, the United States decided to shift its tactics and to move out of Gunboat diplomacy. And you can look at the history books and see that this was actually a discussion during the second half of the 1920s and into the early 1930s about what to do about this phenomenon for which there was growing opposition worldwide, as well as in the United States and in Central American the Caribbean. And so the United States developed a new model which was called the development of the National guards. The first of these National Guards was developed in the Dominican Republic, as you know, in which they set up national guards, not independent national armies. And those national guards were basically to become surrogate military forces. That would be a substitute for the US Marines. They were not intended to be something independent, they were train by armed by and controlled by, and in every case of the development of these National Guards the United States chose the person who would then be the head of the National guard.. I Rafael Trujillo and the Dominican Republic. I Anastasio Somoza in the case of Nicaragua and so forth. So they became the substitute surrogates for the US Marines that has control over these situations in benefit of both US foreign policy and foreign corporations continued even though the US Marines pulled out of those areas. It was only when those surrogate forces were in place that the United States announced its new policy towards Latin America in 1933 34 called The good neighbor policy by Franklin Delano Roosevelt, so that you have a control system towards, which you can then say we're no longer going to intervene these countries with the US Marines, 'Cause we believe that we should have good relations with our neighbors to the South. The national guards that were set up became as Richard Molet has written in his book on Nicaragua called \"The guardians of the dynasty,\" if any of you have read that book, is basically a Praetorian guard. That is a Praetorian guard, serving the United States his interest and doing what it wants, but at the same time and here is where the irony comes in, creating these military leaders at the head of these National guards who then become local dictators. And in fact over a period of time, get out of control. That is to say, they bring, they congregate around themselves, enough power, military, economic and so forth so that they become more and more independent. And in fact, set up their own dynasties. When I went to the Dominican Republic I was at least interested and then later surprised about the fact that there were no US banks in the Dominican Republic because Trujillo had gotten rid of all the US banks cause he feared the US banks and the US corporations. And the only foreign banks that you could find in the Dominican Republic during the entire time that I was there, was the bank of Nova Scotia and the Royal bank of Canada but no US banks. Trujillo was assassinated in may of 1960. And in 1961 you find the first national city Chase Manhattan and the other US banks immediately coming into the area. In the case of Anastasio Somoza you have the same kind of phenomenon developed in which that dynasty becomes so powerful that finally the United States can't always handle Somoza. In most cases, there's a very close interrelationship but the real irony in the case of Nicaragua is that Carter tells Somoza to get out, that he's too much of a problem. And he wants to set up a system. This was actually a policy position to set up a system called Somocismo. Somocismo is Somoza izm without Somoza present. That is please go up to Miami, we'll keep your same family and friends in power Somocismo, which you will be up in Miami and we won't have the bad image that you represent which is helping to create the popular support for the Sandinistas, he refused to leave Both Somoza and Trahio are classic examples. Those people are true believers. Those are dictators who believe in themselves. I mean you can call that a large ego or a megalomania if you wish, but they believe that that country is what it is because of them, and they cannot be without that country, right? And that country cannot be without them and therefore they cannot leave, they have to die with their boots on. Trahio to give you an idea of what happens in terms of the exaggeration of what power does to you, one said about the Dominican Republic. It's really regrettable that amount of my capabilities has to be limited to such a small Island. Classic definition of megalomania. But I mean, this is the kind of thing that the United States was producing, and then ironically had the result that cause Somoza wouldn't leave. Of course, the contradictions develop and ultimately lead to the Sandinista victory in Nicaragua. Another one of the ironies of the situation contradictions situation in Central America revolve around the Alliance for progress. The Alliance for progress is a desperation act on the part of the United States to try and do something along the lines of reform and developing some kind of democratic alternative to the extreme sociological pyramid and in Latin America which I'm sure all of you know, but it's, it's something like this it's over against our sociological pyramid which is something like this. This being the middle class, this being middle class here this being before working class and this being the poor working class in the United States, the elite situation being approximately the same a small handful of people who have most of the power. But in this situation there's no way that through either taxing the middle-class or because of the massive amount of poverty and so forth that you can overcome this in kind of reformist measures. That is the needs are so tremendous, that this kind of system that we assume or which has worked or assumed will work in terms of taking care of the welfare situation, simply won't work and in Latin America. And because of the Cuban revolution which is what spawned the Alliance for progress, as a counter to try and prevent any more Cuban revolutions from taking place. The idea was to try and reform these exaggerated sociological pyramids, and to try and bring about reform particularly since most of them were based on agriculture to bring about some kind of an agrarian reform situation. Or to bring in some kind of democratical alternative, using the emerging middle class after World War II, using the emerging middle class and to try and develop a democratic alternative, to the landed oligarchy on to the military that that served the land that oligarchy. Now the United States was very nervous about doing this in the sense that they realized that they had a volatile situation here on their hand, and yet they wanted to carry out reforms. When you start carrying out reforms while these people start expressing their demands, and it's a very unstable situation. So you have to control that situation. So with the Alliance for progress, went hand in hand, the development of control mechanisms. Particularly counter-insurgency, police training and the development of grassroots control mechanisms. In the case of El Salvador, for instance, the creation of auditing the peasant spy organization. A peasant spy organization at the present time armed, which does much of the killing in the countryside, and which has in its army, this is not part of the, either the security forces or the regular army 50,000 persons armed in auditing. Peasant people and the person who was the head of this was also a person designated by the United States, a man by the name of Chili Medrano, who you can go down and talk to right now, and he still talks in kind of Alliance for progress terms. That is to say he will talk against the dictatorial model and the fact that we have to carry out these kinds of reforms. The result of this is that the United States really encouraged people to start working with the poor, in the sense of setting up cooperatives, in the sense of developing certain reforms in the small villages, building schools, all of that kind of thing, and did this throughout Central America. And encouraged not only the peace core that was sent on to do that but many of the missionaries who were involved in working at the pastoral level to get into these kinds of developmentalist models. When I use the word, developmentalists I'll give you an example. You skip my graphics, this is Chile, okay. Developmentalism is to carry out certain development projects that serve the corporations but the do not serve the country. If you were going to, if you were really interested in the development of Chili, you would if you were going to develop for instance the infrastructure to develop that country, and you were talking about that, being a railroad you will develop a railroad like this, to serve that country. In fact, there are four railroad and they go from the copper mines out to the ports and the copper is shipped out of the counties. Now this creates a little bit of activity, right? A little bit of development, a few amount of some job, but in the fact that basically serves the interests of those outside of the country and it's not development, it's developmentalist, in my let's what we mean when we use that term. So a lot of this was developmentalist oriented but in any case, what happened as a result of that, is that many people came into close contact with the poor. Began to work with the poor, with the peasants and saw the poverty in all of its gross and crass reality, and began to identify with the poor. And the irony is that that's precisely when the identification of the grassroots Catholic communities with the base begins, and therefore the beginning really of what we call the popular liberation struggles of today. Okay, it is the moment at which those missionaries and sisters and lay people called the delegates of the word become politically conscious. They become, as we say in Spanish conciencia. Their political consciousness is developed about the real class conditions in their country. And that serves as the motor force for not a group of gorillas up in the mountains, but of the organizing of a mass base popular base and therefore leading in the 19 in the late 1970s into societal wide popular liberation struggles okay? Really ironic. Another one of the contradictions in Central America has to do with this phrase that's used by the Reagan administration Centrist forces. Well, it was used by the Carter administration as well. Searching for centrist forces. The search for Centris forces in Central America, is really sad because in the first question, of course we're working with this kind of a situation, right? So that even when you develop Christian democratic political parties as were developed during the 1960s and resulted in El Salvador, for instance in the election of Jose Napoleon Duarte in 1972 to the presidency of El Salvador. Until nine o'clock at night on election night when the military came in over through Duarte kicked him out of the country and imposed military rule. But it didn't in any case that Christian democratic process that was expanding during the 1960s, ultimately led to a successful democratic process. I.e the United States had its centrist alternatives. And on the other hand, it had its oligarchy and its military with which it was very closely alive. Now, this is not only true in one country. It's true in many countries. Who is Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954, but in liberal populist reformist. He is part of those centrist alternatives. He's really a centrist democratic alternative to the old oligarchy. The problem is that he decided to nationalize some of the lands that belong to the United fruit company. And two of the members of the board of the United fruit company were at the same time. I'm talking about the Dulles brothers head of the State Department and head of the CIA, and they decide to get rid of Jacobo Arbenz. And they carry out a CIA mercenary intervention in 1954 overthrow Jacobo Arbenz and put in them along with military alternative. So they had their chance. And you have to remember in terms of history you can't always go back in history and pick up that possibility, you know, just because later on, you would get become very nervous about a serious revolution and you want to go back now and try to create a democratic alternative, history doesn't always allow you to do that. This was the case in Nicaragua in 1978. I don't know how many of you know that history know about the 12 los Doce but in the 12 where Miguel d'Escoto, for example and other people who were not radical at all. Not Marxist they're all members of the church centrist forces, democratic forces. Who went back into Nicaragua in June of 1978, had mass popular support, met them at the airport, cheering thousands of crowds that met them on their way into Managua. And the United States rejects the 12. What happens the 12 move over and joined forces with the Sandinistas and they go on and carry out a victory. In the case of El Salvador, you have the situation of the younger officers that carried out the coup and October 15th of 1979, backed by the first Junta the so-called first Junta that was in power from late October through the end of that year, it was made up of these same democratic forces. The United States rejects that and decides that it's safer to go with the liberals within the Christian democratic party, which made up the second Junta. Those liberals within the Christian democratic party got fed up with the repression and the lack of control that they really had because control was still in the hands of the military and the oligarchy. They all resigned in March and a man by the name of Jose Napoleon Duarte comes in at the request of the United States to try and install a central government. Talked about earlier in terms of the Alliance for progress, that is to say, reformism matched with very tight military and local police control. In the case of the agrarian reform in El Salvador it was installed on March 6th, 1980. On March 7th the country was put under a state of siege. State of siege in El Salvador means that you remove all civil liberties from the Salvadorian people and that the military have absolute right. In the summer of 1980 in the fall of 1988, a group of lawyers from the United States went down to El Salvador and looked at the situation of human rights abuses, and at the theoretical situation in terms of plaintiffs, who could make, take cases to the government in terms of people who had been hurt or killed or disappeared or whatever and they came back and said they had never seen a society where there was almost no lack, where there's almost a complete lack of any theoretical system operative. That is the city, the state of siege was in fact a total military dictatorship over that country. At the same time that you were creating an agrarian reform. And it was immediately after that that the repressions began in March and April of 1980. And exemplary of that those massacres that were going on is the assassination of Archbishop postcard or Newfield Romero. And that's what caused the mass influx of refugees into this country. That's exactly when it begins. Now, what is tragic about this agrarian reform? Is not that an a grand reform is not very much needed in El Salvador. The tragedy is that the people who put that into effect were people who had put an agrarian reform into effect in Vietnam. Under the leadership of a man by the name of William Colby later to be the head of the CIA, assisted by a man by the name of Cleto Di Giovanni a high level CIA Officer, and assisted by a professor, Roy Prosterman who instituted in Vietnam and a grand reform program under the scorched earth policy called the Phoenix Operation, which many of you know. And the name of that a grand reform program was called land to the tiller. After his service with the CIA in 1979, Cleto Di Giovanni resigns from the CIA and spends the next year and a half developing an a grand reform program in El Salvador assisted by a Professor Roy Prosterman and they institute an agrarian reform program called land to the tiller. Exactly the same name as the program that was developed in Vietnam. Same actors, same name, same form of program, the same repression. Very sophisticated, and is impressed very many Americans because an agrarian reform is a good thing. What it is meant for many Salvadorian Peasants, is a small plot of land in which to be buried. Another of the contradictions in Central America it has to do with the whole question of armed supply. Where are these people getting their arms? And the United States government says, \"well obviously \"they're getting them from the Soviet union through Cuba \"via Nicaragua and directly into the FMLN Guerillas.\" The only problem with that statement by Jean Kirkpatrick and other members of the Reagan administration, is that the weapons which the Guerilla in the FMLN use are M16s which you cannot buy on the open world market and Israeli gulls and Uzi submachine guns. That's what the majority of the gorillas in the FMLN are now carrying around with them. Where do they get those weapons? 90% of them, or more come from what they call in Spanish recuperacion de armas. The recovery of weapons from the other side in firefights, with the national guard in which they win a small battle capture a certain number of soldiers from the national guard, take their arms from them. That's how they build up their arms supply. I've often said to in debates with people from the State Department, that I wished that they would go down to Honduras with 112 gauge shotgun and try to walk across the Honduras border into El Salvador with that 12 gauge shotgun over their shoulders. And I say to them, I'll bet you don't get 50 yards inside of El Salvador without being killed or arrested. And that border is very tightly controlled. And for the Reagan administration to Blakely say thousands of arms are moving across that border, is simply not possible. It's not possible for me or for anyone to do that. Whereas the irony my friends is that it is the United States and Israel that is arming the Guerilla through this recovery program. And the more arms that are sent down there, the stronger the Guerilla will become. Where does Castro get his weapons? He takes them from Battista's army. That's where he arms himself. And that's exactly what's happening in Central America. Therefore about the arms shipment, we know three things. It will not change the nature of the military on the oligarchy in El Salvador, one Iota, it will strengthen the gorillas in terms of their liberation struggle, and it will kill more innocent people and bring more refugees to the United States. Absolute tragedy okay? A couple of more, and then we'll open it up for questions but there's a couple more things I'd like to touch on. This is something that's not talked about very much but I think that it's very important, and because a number of number of us have had experience in Vietnam, I think you will appreciate it as a matter of fact, if some of you have seen the watch, this CBS documentary on Vietnam, you will know when I talk, when I'm talking about in terms of, if you recall that documentary, there was at the end of that documentary, some rather extensive interviews, with general key and president view of Vietnam. And they expressed in that interview, in that documentary, how irritated they were with US foreign policy, because in fact there was negotiations going on with the Vietnamese behind the backs of both general key and president few things that they knew nothing about policies that were being established by the United States and peace plans that were being worked out without consulting the two primary leaders of the military and of the political order in Vietnam in South Vietnam at that time. That's the issue that I want to talk about in this case. We were talking kind of laughing at the fact that the state department consistently says there's no relationship between the Vietnam experience and the Central American experience. And we were laughing about the fact it's interesting them that all of the key actors that were in Vietnam are now in central America. I.e they think that the situation is similar enough to put their best people into this area. Who is head of Inter-American affairs for the State Department, Thomas Enders Thomas Enders was the person who ordered the bombing in Cambodia. He was acting ambassador for a long period of time, for about a year and a half and head of the committee that ordered day by day of the bombings in Cambodia. He's now head of Inter-American affairs for the State Department. And so with John Negroponte, so with the Dean Hinton, so with many of the people that we've talked about before such as Cleto Di Giovanni, Professor Prosterman and so forth. They have taken their best people and put them down into this area. The situation in Central America is that the United States going back to what I had said before about surrogate forces ultimately in my belief, I'm expressing my own opinions here. Ultimately in my belief doesn't trust those surrogate forces Is not sure that those surrogate forces can do it. And therefore must have advisers. And I'm not talking about kids out in the countryside teaching someone how to use an M16 rifle. I'm talking about top level advisors who really runs military policy in El Salvador, general Garcia no general comings of the United States army. A very high level military official who has been photographed time and time again in El Salvador in discussions with Garcia. In photographs that appeared in Newsweek just recently there are photographs of General Gustavo Alvarez, the head of the armed forces in Honduras, in a position like this to a US Marine officer who was giving him commands, telling Gustavo Alvarez what he was and was not to do. And as the Newsweek article from November, December of last year said very clearly, who is the big boss in Honduras? It's not Gustavo Alvarez, it's John Negroponte the US ambassador, he calls the shots. My thesis is that there is tremendous resentment on the part of the highest level allies with whom we are working. Not in terms of the people who are suffering as the result of US military policy, but in fact, at the highest levels always kept right under the surface, so that it's not seen, but very strongly felt. This is why you have the expulsion of Ochoa. Colonel Ochoa is the prime choice of the Pentagon to carry out its policies and its strategies of strategic villages, strategic hamlets in El Salvador. And the person who opposes that as General Garcia. And it came down to a clash between Pentagon policy and General Garcia's policy. And that policy was that that class was so strong that finally Ochoa was thrown out of the country and Garcia maintained control over the armed forces but it was very close struggle. So the tragedy of this is that we are now running a war in central America, just like we ran a war in Vietnam. I don't think my friends that we win those kinds of battles. I really don't. I think that we prolong them. I think that we cause immense suffering but I don't think that we, I don't think that we resolve the problem and we certainly don't respect the sovereign rights of those countries. Let me end on a refugee note. There are 500,000 Salvadoran refugees in the United States. Most of them illegal aliens. There may even be some illegal aliens in our midst at this time. This situation is not unique only to the United States. There are about 300,000 Salvadorian refugees in central America. There are probably at least three or 400,000 displaced persons in El Salvador from their towns where they lived and used to live and used to work to other places, because they have been forced out of areas. We are talking about a migration policy that affects at least a fifth of the population of that country. Now, the real tragedy about this is that the United States government, in 1980 passed the United States Refugee Act. Which incorporated into law, into US law, the United Nations convention and protocol on refugees which basically says, that any refugee it is fleeing a situation of terror and repression or fear of a repression cannot be sent back to the country of origin. Can be sent to a third country or kept in the first country that that refugee went to, but cannot be sent back to the country of origin, as long as that threat to his or her life and fear of terror remains. The problem with that policy is, that if those 500,000 refugees are fleeing repression and terror, as we most certainly believe they are, and as their testimonies claim, then the president cannot certify that there is a general reduction of the violation of gross violation of human rights in El Salvador. If he cannot do that, he cannot certify, if he cannot certify, he get military appropriations, to continue the war. As a result the Reagan administration says, and this is US Immigration and naturalization policy that these people are simply here as economic refugees. They are in fact, illegal aliens, they are not political refugees, they have no right to be in the United States and they must be rounded up and sent home. When they are sent home they are usually arrested, tortured and killed okay? And the situation that is really ironic about this immigration and naturalization policy, for which to aid a bet transport or otherwise conspired to do so is a felony charge carrying a penalty of two, $5,000 fine and two years in prison, is not that applicable to any person hiring these refugees to work in their place of business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36601/file/105693#t=0.0,2732.22531"}]}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36601/file/105694","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - 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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36601/file/105694/transcript/22655/annotation/616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- And if that person hiring 15 Salvadorians to work in their place of business is rated by the INS, and they carry out all 15 and ship them back to El Salvador, that employer is not guilty of anything and can go out and hire another 15 Salvadorian refugees and have them work in these places of business without anything happening to him. Furthermore, he has to take from their salaries and withhold taxes from people who have no representation or rights that it States. As a result of this, many of the churches in the United States who became very concerned about the welfare of these refugees and about helping them said, \"this cannot go on.\" We have used all of the resources in our command in terms of even mortgaging our churches to try and keep these people from being sent back to El Salvador and to certain death. And we think that the policy is wrong, and we don't have any way of stopping these vast sweeps and deportation of these refugees. So we're going to take them into sanctuary. So the churches have now opened up their doors across this country and created what are called public sanctuaries. There are now 42 public sanctuaries in the United States. There are at the present time 260 endorsing congregations or religious communities supporting those public witness churches. A public witness church in Washington, DC Luther Place Memorial Church just received five of these refugees into public sanctuary, On Thursday, the 24th of March, the anniversary of the assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero. There were 400 people in church, 17 other churches endorsed the action of Luther Place Memorial Church. The churches are beginning to say, look at. We think that your foreign policy of sending military supplies down to these countries is only gonna create more suffering and we're opposed to it. But fundamentally we are saying because your policy is circular and you have to say that these refugees are here only because of economic reasons. We believe in the sanctity of life and the rights of these refugees which is in fact the tradition of this country, which is in fact the basis upon which many of our forefathers came to this country in terms of seeking political and religious sanctuary from persecution in Europe, that those refugees have a right to stay here and we're gonna put them inside of our churches and you're not gonna touch them. And if you do touch them, you're gonna have to deal with us as churches. To this date, the immigration naturalization service has not touched a single sanctuary church or a single refugee in sanctuary. Perhaps this will give us a little bit of sense of the really ironies that US foreign policy in Central America consists of. And also part of the past history so we understand what's really going on because we feel that this is the only way we can counter the kind of statements and myths that are being handed down by the administration. And we think that it's extremely important even though obviously we don't have a direct interest that because of US foreign policy on the involvement of US Marines, and trainers, and arms, and an aid to these countries that we do have to start taking the situation in Central America seriously. And that means that we have to educate ourselves about that history and about what's really going on. So I think with that I'll stop and open it up for questions.\r\n\r\n- I wonder if you can tell us what you know if the INS policy, immigration policy contravenes, any of the findings of the United Nations High Commission on refugees and whether the INS policy contravenes any agreements with the United Nations of United States .\r\n\r\n- It directly contravenes not only the position and findings of the United Nations in regard to the situation. I'm not talking about the belligerent forces, but the the mass of the society in El Salvador in terms of the suffering. But this has been documented by America's watch by Amnesty National and by all kinds of other agencies whose reports that 45,000 Salvadoreans had been killed to date is the most conservative figure that you could find in terms of the fact that every one of those cases must be fully documented for them to count. Okay, but the other side of your question is that in our discussions with many lawyers they say that if this issue ever got into court that the courts could not even deal with because there is this US refugee act, okay, of 1980. And the immigration and naturalization policy which is basically an interpretive situation on what is going on in El Salvador. And that the courts wouldn't know how to even deal with that. If it got in based on those laws. So that in fact there is a fundamental, theoretical or legal contradiction between the immigration naturalization service ruling, and the US in a refugee act of 1980.\r\n\r\n- What is your assessment?\r\n\r\n- No, I don't think that he's sincere, except that I think that he's sincere about his religious belief. That's quite different from what he's doing in practice. Since the time that he came into office in March, 1982, there was a tremendous increase in not only the killings in the countryside, a reduction in the killings in Guatemala City. An expansion, a vast expansion of those killings in the countryside, but an expansion which began to resemble the situation in Vietnam, that is to say genocidal practices against villages where entire villages were wiped out. And it is precisely from that time on that we begin to see masses of refugees appear on the borders of Mexico from Guatemala. I wish that some of you could go to El Salvador and some of you have been from there and talk with the people and talk with the Indians from Guatemala. Those people simply don't leave their lands unless they have absolutely no alternatives. They are much more wedded to their land and to their country and to where they lived and were brought up than any of us, or as much as us. I mean we're a much more mobile society for a number of reasons but they are totally dedicated to their village, into their community, into their land. For them to move means that they have no other alternatives. I told a story earlier about one of the refugees that was taken into sanctuary at Luther Place Memorial Church. Young mother, 21 years of age. And I wanna use this as an example in order to go back to the Reagan policy, of the fact that these refugees are only coming up here for economic reasons. She is a sociology student at the university. The national university was closed down and destroyed by the military. So then she went over to Catholic University and because all of the records were destroyed, she had to start her academic career all over again as a sociology student undergraduate. One of the things that she was doing in that was to look into the hardships and suffering of people in the marginal slum areas around San Salvador. And she was carrying out some studies in that area. That is one of the areas that the military is very uptight about and so she became, she was not the part of any student organization she's not part of any political organization, but the escuadron de monterrey, the desk squadron came to her house. The desk squadron only comes to your house twice. They come first and warn, they come secondly and take you right. In between those two visits she left. And she paid through a loan from a friend of her mother's, $2,000 to the coyotes. The coyotes are the people who help refugees get out of Central America for a price. It's very dangerous because very often they will dump you in the desert, or they will leave you at the border or they will abandon you if some officials come by and so forth. But in this case, she paid $2,000. They get her out of El Salvador through Guatemala, up to Mexicali. They take her daughter away from her because it's very difficult to cross children and parents at the same time because the children cry, and because the parents are concerned about the children. So they separate children from parents. Her child goes off and she doesn't know what's happened to her child. She's arrested in Mexicali by the police and thrown into a prison, a single cell with 40 other prisoners and stays there for about 10 days under terrible conditions. She finally applies for political asylum in Mexico, is taken back to Mexico City. Denied political asylum, sent back to Guatemala where they try to rape her and take her money from her. She gets back into the coyote system, comes back up enters into the United States, has now been separated from her daughter for a whole month. Does not know whether she's alive or dead. Makes her way to Los Angeles. Finds her daughter, can't find any work in Los Angeles comes to Washington DC and ends up in a very poor restaurant, washing dishes. Do you think the refugees would go through that kind of hell in order to improve their economic lot, i.e washing dishes in Washington DC?\r\n\r\n- Do you think the ?\r\n\r\n- The sanctuary process has at the immediate level provided some security to some refugees. Most refugees, of course, prefer to remain anonymous to just be here and hope that they won't get picked up and so forth, okay? When they go into public sanctuary they become very public. Now we protect their identification, not because of the United States but because if they're identified their families might suffer back in El Salvador so that they are covered, their faces are covered. They are given pseudonyms and so forth so that they're protected. So while there is some benefit to them in the sense that the church then takes on the responsibility of finding them a place to live, and a job, and sometimes medical and dental care and other things, we have found that the sanctuary movement is extremely important not for the refugees, but for the church. Because the refugees begin to tell their story. And the church also feels that they're really doing something for the refugees and taking a little bit of risk. And the sanctuary movement is very clear that this is not to be a far out priest who is to do this on his own, but this has to be a congregational process and a congregational decision, because we're talking about putting the whole church owned by that congregation in some kind of jeopardy. And so that has it seems filled a certain kind of need or void on the part of that church of getting more involved, because they've heard enough stories that they really are concerned and they wanna do something more. So it's filled a real need on the part of that congregation. Besides they get to talk to the refugees firsthand, don't need to talk to a full week nomore to someone else but they can talk firsthand with the refugees who simply tell a story like I've just told you, which doesn't involve any of the kind of extreme right, and extreme left, and political parties and all this kind of thing. It gets away from all of that record. You just listing to what's happening to the ordinary citizens of El Salvador. So it's been a very important kind of educational process. Now, at the same time, we are attempting to put pressure on the administration in terms of its immigration policy, because all of the other refugees who are here in the country and all of the churches and other organizations who are serving the refugees quietly providing them daycare or other kinds of legal services or whatever are in fact guilty of aiding a bedding transporting and otherwise conspiring to do so with illegal aliens. They are in fact guilty of a felony, but they're trying to be quiet about it so that nothing happens to them. Well, so we say let's create these public witness churches that very publicly say this and let the others continue to operate quietly. Sometimes giving their support to the public witness church so that the public witness church takes the heat and also makes the case. And then the other churches continue to provide the services so that when refugees are brought into a public witness church, they do so for very clear social and political motivations related to their people, to the issue here and to their people, that is they take some risks, but they do it because they think that this educational process is important. Now, one aspect of the sanctuary movement that has been very interesting is that, because many of the churches became very concerned with a coyote system and people sometimes suffocating in trucks, or being left in the desert or whatever, they decided to develop an underground railroad. This underground railroad is organized by a man by the name of Jim Corbett, a Quaker. Some of you may have seen him. This was on 60 minutes last December, November, December, and he has brought about 250 people across the border into the United States from Mexico, under tremendous risk. But the idea there is to provide security and transport to these people all the way to the end destination not simply to dump them there on the other side of the border, that is to say, Jim will go into Mexico sit down with a family and say, \"Do you wanna do this?\" There's no charge. If so, these are the rules and you will end up in a church up in Chicago or wherever, right? And these are the steps that we have to take. We will set up the whole transportation system for you. When a refugee crosses the border in Texas, they have to run two gauntlets at the border, the gauntlet of the Mexican authorities who control the actual border. And then about four or five, six kilometers inside at the highways the US immigration authorities stop all vehicles that are coming and check them for refugee. So you have to get through that double barrier. And then most of the refugees don't speak English. They have no job, no income, no money, and so the idea of the underground railroad is to hook it into the sanctuary movement and transport them up to a church which they will then take care of them at least during the first weeks or couple of months until they get settled and get into a job situation. As you know, the sanctuary movement is a very old, old tradition in the Bible began back in the old Testament, Cities of Sanctuary. The early church was in the catacombs in Rome, was a political sanctuary as well as a sanctuary in a spiritual sense. All of the medieval churches were considered sanctuaries. Murder in the cathedral is the story of sanctuary, right? The church trying to provide sanctuary against the agents of the king that were coming in to that situation during our own history in the early colonial days, cities in new England in fact became entire communities, New Haven, Connecticut, and so forth entire communities that in fact hid refugees from England that were being pursued by agents of the King. It was a very common practice during slavery days. The churches in the North provided sanctuary for runaway slaves. As a matter of fact, one of the real causes of the civil war this is a thing that not very many people know, the one of the causes of the civil war was not just opposition in the North to the conditions of slavery in the South, that is to say to the plantation system. But in fact was resentment on the North to the people who came up, the bounty hunters who pursued the refugees, the runaway slaves in the North. That's what really angered many of the people and really develop the resentment of the North towards the South in terms of saying that the North is sanctuary for these runaway slaves. If they get up here, then they're free. Okay. If they're down there, well, that's your business but if they're up here, they're runaway, they're free as far as we are concerned. So the sanctuary movement in any case has a long history of church involvement, and so it's been something that the churches have responded to very readily. It's now a movement. Did you have a question?\r\n\r\n- I'd like to here you talk .\r\n\r\n- At the local level who put more and more pressure on them. That's where the change occurs. It's not in Washington. It's when they come home on leave, come back to Iowa, back to their own constituencies and feel that pressure. Then they begin to reassess, so that there is real, there's a lot of the situation is really influx now. And the Reagan administration is getting more and more nervous about that. So I think that it's an absolutely ideal time to increase that pressure.\r\n\r\n- Are particular individuals who've been out .\r\n\r\n- Now, you're getting outside of my field of work and I have to beg off because I mean, I can tell you some of those people but I'm really not expert enough. And I probably would give you some misinformation and it's not my field. So there are organizations like the coalition for a new foreign and military policy, the Washington Office on Latin America and others who work in this field, and I can give you those telephone numbers and they will be able to run that down for you because they know those actors person and by person.\r\n\r\n- I'll just ask what efforts are underway to reverse the 1980 refugee act, their interpretation of it. Is there new legislation being prepared with the force the change in the way that policy or that law is being implemented? Or is there another approach which is being populated using legislation to say these 500,000 El Salvadorian to run this country and other people who are coming second Guatemala or for other parts of Central and South America.\r\n\r\n- I'm glad you brought up the point. The sanctuary movement is not for refugees in general, it's refugees from Holocaust. And therefore specifically the sanctuary movement has said, \"we are open to refugees from Haiti, Guatemala, and El Salvador. That is, we're talking about extreme situations, so that, I mean, there's probably people from any country that want to come to the United States, and might ask for sanctuary. We're saying the sanctuary movement is talking about those people who really are fleeing from a gross situation of repression, and we feel have a right to stay here for that reason. I didn't quite understand if you meant that there's pressure on the US refugee act, or on the US immigration service policy.\r\n\r\n- No I guess the way I'm understanding it is if that the present administration, record administration chose to interpret the refugee act of 80 in a different way, these 500,000 El Salvador and other refugees wouldn't be bundled up and sent back, they couldn't stay here without a status. Since the president is not choosing to interpret into a more liberal way. Is congress drafting legislation to try to get after that and change it. And then what is the community of the national council of churches? Are they looking at that as a way to channel their energy? Because you know, this may be a one year effort that would require something like that.\r\n\r\n- I don't believe so. The Reagan administration is not touching the 1980 refugee act, it's simply saying it's not applicable because these people are up here under a different kind of set of circumstances and they're not fleeing holocausts. So the 1980 refugee act doesn't apply to them, but it hasn't done anything about that, the 1980 act refugee act. The other way around in terms of the refugees, there is a new bill in Congress called the Simpson-Mazzoli bill which does intend to change some of the conditions under which the refugees operate here including this clause in the felony which says that employers can hire illegal aliens, and all of the details of the Simpson-Mazzoli act. I'm not completely clear on, but it's basically what do we do with all of these illegal aliens in the United States, Mexicans and so forth. It's not specifically related to this question of Salvadorian thing, but it would apply in part to them. I might tell you, as you probably know, that there has been a policy that's much older than the Reagan Administration in the United States. That's what we call the Russian ballerina syndrome.\r\n\r\n- Okay. The Russian ballerina syndrome is that any Russian ballerina can come into the United States if they apply for political asylum immediately, right? No questions asked, right? The rush, the Chinese tennis stair star that you've maybe read about. She was immediately offered political asylum in the United States, both by the justice department and by the immigration service. They then got into problems with US foreign policy, vis-à-vis China, but basically anyone who is fleeing from a communist country can come in, no Salvadorian peasant can come in because we are allies with that government, and therefore it's a different kind of policy. This has been a policy since world war two interpreted. So Eisenhower brought in 39,000 Hungarians at the time of the flight from Hungary into the Austrian camps in 1956, 57, right? So we have that kind of two-way policy. And a lot of people in this country say, \"I don't understand, that's not fair.\" And we say, right. But it is very definitely an interpretive policy. So there's a lot of inconsistencies with this thing. I don't think that anyone has raised this issue, and what happens of course, is that you're not dealing so much with a law that they can't really kind of do anything with the law because the Reagan administration is not touching a law. It's simply saying we have a different kind of interpretation of who these people are. And it really goes back to the fundamental problem that a touch that touches on the issue of military arms for a El Salvador, that is to say is there in fact, the danger of a communist takeover there and therefore we need more arms. And is there in fact, a gross violations of human rights? And are you gonna say no? Everyone in Congress knows that certification has no basis. In fact, what the president says it, so that's kind of where that stands. I think we're getting near our time but let's have two more questions. Yes, sir. _ When you think about the current situation and now we're finding it worse .\r\n\r\n- I think the decision has already been made. I think it was made in December, early December of 1982, at which time the intervention by massive forces was in the works, including Honduran forces and a very high level internal ideological struggle went on within the Pentagon, within the CIA and within the National Security Council, in terms of whether or not, if they did that they might be repeating a Bay of pigs fiasco. And if they did that they would assure the Sandinistas remaining in power ad infinitum. And those forces won that decision. And they pulled back from that intervention and decided to try to do that through destabilization through harassment, through economic pressures and so forth. So I think that the decision has been made at least for the present not to intervene with large scale forces from outside. That's our general opinion. I don't think that the Sandinistas are convinced of that, but that's our opinion in Washington DC that they've decided to kind of pick away at them to undermine them and do it that way. And that doesn't present the kind of gross example, if the United States went in there obviously it would create very strong reaction on the part of many people worldwide. And I think they're very upset about that, and they don't know about the American public. That's one thing that's why public education is on this matter is so important. If they're not sure what the American public is gonna do, and the other thing we have to remember is that this is 1983. 1984, Reagan has to be very careful 'cause it's an election year. So if he's going to do anything naughty he has to do it in 1983. And that's why Granada Nicaragua particularly nervous right now.\r\n\r\n- Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- More for personal reasons than for any real connection, I see, but in terms of refugees are there numbers of refugees going to Canada or other countries that we really .\r\n\r\n- When this thing really developed the Canadians initially started receiving some numbers of refugees into Canada and some are still going in, but there has been a pullback from that position. We're not sure exactly why that is to say that the numbers that were originally flowing in have slowed down a lot, but that's one possibility but we don't think that it's gonna be affecting for many people. What we think is going to develop more and more is the movement of Salvadorian refugees from Los Angeles that can't find work to other cities and so forth, where it becomes more and more impossible for them to survive. And then as well as the continual flow, see if the Reagan administration continues to send arms down as we said before, there's gonna be more refugees. I mean, people will have to flee as the repression continues. So what we see in the sanctuary movement and another groups who are trying to help the refugees is that the moving to other community is gonna be very important. And I think that's probably an important factor for those of you here in Iowa where there may not be as many Salvadorian refugees but where our refugees may be moving through here and waystations could be created in the churches in another organizations to help those people in the transporting process to Chicago or to the East Coast coming from the West Coast or from the South that's why we actually brought these five refugees and went into the inter sanctuary last Thursday came right through Iowa that came through this area from the West Coast and stayed at some places here, and on the other side of Chicago on their way we have to transport them in vehicles. Okay. Those vehicles if they're stopped by the immigration authorities those drivers will be arrested along with the refugees and the car will be confiscated. So one of the things that churches are doing is buying old cars to do the transport.\r\n\r\n- Like the people know that those few who'd like to talk to every week, try to link could join us over at the underground cafe afterwards. So, I'm sure the place has an address, but it's where.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36601/file/105694#t=0.0,1804.53878"}]}]}]}