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Nicaragua.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120254#t=2735.67,2737.81"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120254/transcript/31386/annotation/756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wish that weren't happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120254#t=2737.81,2739.453"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120254/transcript/31386/annotation/757","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now that it is, and now that we know it is,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120254#t=2741.57,2744.67"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120254/transcript/31386/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"question is are we able to be responsible human beings","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120254#t=2744.67,2749.66"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120254/transcript/31386/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and citizens of this 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Before introducing this new speaker, I would like to remind you of the rest of today's speakers. At three P.M. in the Gallery, Ch- Charles Griswold, a professor of philosophy at Howard University, will speak on Thomas Jefferson and slavery, theory and practice in the American value. And at eight P.M. this evening, Anthony Podesta and Mike- and Robert Grant will speak in the Sun Room on religion and politics, where do we draw the line. Our speaker this noon is John Fife. Mr. Fife is a pastor at the South Side Presbyterian Church, in Tucson, Arizona. Since 1981 his congregation has been involved with providing sanctuary for refugees from El Salvador and Nicaragua. In 1985 he was convicted of conspiracy to violate federal law, due to his involvement in the Sanctuary Movement. He is currently appealing this conviction. Mr. Fife received his undergraduate degree in biology and chemistry from Washington and Jefferson College, and his masters of divinity degree from Pittsburgh Sem- Seminary. It is my great pleasure to introduce to you now, Mr. John Fife.\r\n\r\n- [John Fife] Thank you, it is my great privilege to be here today. I have been in Ames on two previous occasions, one to speak to the National Assembly of the United Church of Christ, meeting here during the summer a couple of years ago. And- and before that, to meet with a group of Presbyterians here in Ames, who were looking at the issues that the Sanctuary Movement had raised, and we spent a weekend together discussing those issues so that they might continue their biblical and moral search, here in Ames after that. I was back at my alma mater recently and- and heard a little different introduction than what you just heard. They had a series of seminars like this that you're exploring, on civil disobedience in the law, and along with the dean of the law school and several other faculty members, we were exploring those issues together and I was introduced by the president of the college in something like this. We have had many distinguished graduates at this institution. And he went on to name various professors and prize winners and distinguished folk of- of- in all kinds of fields, as- as those distinguished graduates of that institution. He said, I want you to be very clear, this is not one of the distinguished graduates of this institution. This is one of the more notorious graduates of this institution. My notoriety stems from the fact that I am a convicted felon, currently serving five years probation for various violations of federal law. That conviction is under appeal and will be heard sometime in the next year, by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. I hope that you will not prejudice your hearing, this afternoon by the conviction. I hope that you will remember that under the Constitution and our system of justice, that I am not finally a convicted felon, determined by the courts, until the appellant process has had a full hearing and review process to it. And we are optimistic, as are most observers, that the conviction of sanctuary workers will not hold up throughout the appellant process. Indeed, while some sanctuary workers have been imprisoned, there are two currently serving prison terms now for their activities in defense of refugees from Central America. None- no sanctuary worker has every been finally convicted and their conviction upheld throughout the appellant process, in now six years of the Sanctuary Movement, and we are optimistic that- that in fact, when a full review of this matter is- is held by the courts, that it will not be sanctuary workers which will be determined to be the criminals in this society, but some of the highest level members of the administration in Washington D.C. who will be found guilty. That's a very devastating statement for me to have to make. We have been making it since 1981. Over, and over, and over again, people in the Sanctuary Movement, as well as others, have been traveling across this land, speaking to churches and synagogues, to universities and colleges, to city councils and state legislatures, to anyone who would listen to us, saying, we have bad news for you, folks. The bad news is that officials of this administration at the highest levels are engaged in a knowing and conscious conspiracy to violate United States and international law, and are deliberately lying to- deceiving the American people. Above all else, systematic, knowing violations of United States and international law. And we have been further saying that if that is true, we believe that that faces each one of us with an awesome responsibility. That each one of us has a civic duty, a constitutional duty to resist any way we can, those violations of law by the highest officials of our government. Because it's costing too many human lives and too much human suffering. And up until four months ago, we had trouble having people hear those statements. And see the truth, the reality, which we were living in the midst of, and had been for five years. But now, it is understood by virtually everyone. There is no quarrel about the fact that indeed, the officials of our government at the highest levels have been knowingly engaged in a criminal conspiracy to violate United States and international law, and had been systematically, since 1981, deceiving, lying to the American people in order to maintain those conspiratorial violations of United States and international law. Now that that is accepted, the only question is to what extent has that been happening. And no one will fully know the answer to that for some time, but I want to talk about one of those examples. One of those instances, a part of that civil disobedience on a systematic scale by the highest levels of the United States administration since 1981. For those of you who are not familiar with the Sanctuary Movement, I want to begin by just giving you a little background, a kind of rough sketch of what this is we're talking about, so that we have some frame of reference in order to explore some of the- the constitutional issues down the line. Let me- let me make sure I understand about time frames first.\r\n\r\n- [Announcer] Forty-five minutes.\r\n\r\n- [John Fife] Okay. We have forty-five more minutes?\r\n\r\n- Like half an hour, fifteen- half an hour, thirty-five minutes.\r\n\r\n- Okay. Because I want to have some time for us to talk together, so let me- let me sketch it pretty roughly. Sanctuary Movement began, no one knows where- or no one knows exactly when, but some time in 1980. The reason it began some time in 1980 in the United States is because people began to flee gross violations of human rights, which were occurring- began to occur in March of 1980, in El Salvador, and then gradually, expanded to a reign of terror, what some people describe as a genocidal reign of terror, directed against the Indigenous Indian Native peoples of Guatemala, by the grossest violator of human rights in this hemisphere, the government military of Guatemala. But it began in El Salvador, some time around March of 1980, when because of the fear of the military and security forces and the government officials of El Salvador and Guatemala, because of the successful revolution, which had occurred in Nicaragua, which had overthrown the military dictatorship of Anastasio Somoza in July of 1979, they feared for the continued existence of their military and patterns of economic and political rule in El Salvador, and it was a legitimate fear. In order to solve the problem, they had mainly the people of El Salvador looking at the success of the people of Nicaragua in overthrowing the military dictatorship of Anastasio Somoza, began to press for revolutionary change, substantial revolutionary political and economic change in El Salvador. In order to solve that problem, the military and security forces of El Salvador determined through death squads to identify and murder every leader and member of any organization they could find, which was pressing for some measure of political and economic justice in that nation. That meant that those leaders, the best and the brightest people of El Salvador, who were a part of labor unions, or labor union organizations or movements, Campesino Unions or Compecino organizations, the church, if you were a priest, or a nun, or a catechist, or an evangelical pastor in those church organizations in Christian-based communities, which were talking about dangerous words like justice in El Salvador, if you were a part of the faculty or university system, or a member of a teachers' union in El Salvador, or if you were a part of the healthcare system and delivery system in El Salvador, you were automatically assumed to be subversive, and the death squad set out to kill every one of those folk that they could identify and kill. They murdered, and have murdered since 1980, somewhere between forty and fifty thousand of the best and the brightest people of El Salvador. Guatemala, the military has murdered, I'm not talking about- now I'm not talking about Guerrillas, people who are a part of the armed insurgency. There's a civil war going on in each of those countries, folk. And I figured, if you go to the mountains with a gun, you- you're gonna be engaged in a war and- and- and that involves death and killing. We're talking about unarmed civilians. Men, and women, and children, who have been murdered by the military and security forces of El Salvador, and then by Guatemala, in order to maintain the existing patterns of political and economic rule in that country. In addition to those gross violations of human rights, the murders, torture has been regularly used by those military and security forces in both Guatemala and El Salvador. The most hideous forms of torture that have been devised, and- and there's been extensive research by the Argentinian military, the Chilean military, the Brazilian military, the Uruguayan military, the Paraguayan military, the military of El Salvador, and the military of Gua- of Guatemala, into those effective methodologies of torture, which can illicit information from folk. We have the best experts in this hemisphere on that subject. Torture has been regularly used in order to develop the intelligence to- to determine who those targets need to be. Example drawn from our trial. Two of the people we assisted in the Sanctuary Movement that I was convicted of assisting, were a doctor- a medical student from the University of San Salvador. When the Salvadoran army destroyed the medical school in- in El Salvador- in San Salvador in 1982, the doctor- the medical student went to continue to assist the people of El Salvador because of his commitment to the church. In the refugee camps to which refugees had fled from the war in the countryside from the violations of human rights to the protection of the church inside El Salvador, and as a medical student, he set about to assist those refugee in that refugee population. He was picked up in 1984, he and his wife and six-month-old child, by the military forces, security- treasure police, actually, of El Salvador, was imprisoned, his wife was repeatedly tortured and raped- gang-raped. Part of that torture was to be raped in front of him. He still would not sign a confession naming colleagues as subversive communists, or acknowledging that he was a subversive communist. He survived two weeks of extraordinary physical torture, still would not sign the confession, finally broke and signed the confession when his torturers brought in his six-month-old child, and a bucket of water, and held the child's head underwater and said, if you do not sign the confession we will simply drown your child in front of you. That's the reality of El Salvador and Guatemala. That's the reality you have not been told much about. But it is the reality we had to face, beginning in 1980 on the boarder. In the face of civil war- widespread civil war, in the face of tens of thousands of murders, and torture being used regularly as a systematic means of interrogation against whole sectors of the civilian population in those countries, in those very small countries. That reign of terror produces refugees, produces a lot of people who are neither willing to stay and be killed and tortured, or to watch their families be killed and tortured, and their children, or they're not willing either to go to the mountains with a gun, in order to defend themselves or their family. The only other option they have, literally, is to flee across boarders, to try and get away, and to find some safe place in this world, as refugees. In 1980, people started to come to our boarder in Arizona- in Southern Arizona, as they bumped up against the boarder in South Texas, and in- in- in Southern California as well. And against all reality, against the truth of what was happening to the people of El Salvador and Guatemala, our government, for political reasons, has denied that these people are refugees, and declared that they are illegal aliens. People, in the words of Elliot Abrams, the Under Secretary of State for Human Rights, people just coming, looking for a welfare card and a Cadillac. As though the conditions in El Salvador and Guatemala were similar to, or the same as, conditions in the poor villages of Mexico. It's simply not true. And so, boarder patrol and immigration officials have been ordered to, and have carried out a policy of dealing with refugees fleeing El Salvador and Guatemala, exactly as they would with any undocumented folk coming across that boarder, looking for work. Pick them up, put them in prison, and ship them back. As efficiently and as expeditiously as you can work the bureaucratic process. The result of that has been a reign of terror inflicted upon a refugee- terrified refugee population, here in the United States, seeking some safe place. And the deaths of some of those deported back to the army and the security forces of El Salvador and Guatemala. How many? We don't know. We have documented the names of numbers of those persons, who have been deported and shown up on death lists in El Salvador. But no one knows the number, that's the nature of atrocity. You see, if you would've asked immigration and naturalization service officials in 1939 about Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany, they would've told you exactly the same thing as they're saying about Salvadorian refugees now. We're giving some of them political asylum, if they deserve it, if they can prove a well-founded fear of persecution. We found about three percent of the applicants who are worthy of political asylum in the United States. You realize that? We're giving exactly the same percentage of Salvadorian applicants political asylum today and- and in the last five years, as we gave Jewish refugees in 1938 and 1939 fleeing Nazi Germany. The others, we send back. The others, we sent back. Do you remember the boatloads of Jewish refugees turned back in 1939 from all ports, sent back to Auschwitz and Buchenwald and the death camps? Because? Because the immigration and naturalization service couldn't find concrete evidence that those people would be killed if they were sent back. The entire civilized world looking at that situation, that reality, that experience of the Holocaust in the 1930's and 1940's, vowed that we could never allow that to happen again, and so enacted certain laws, certain agreements, certain treaties among civilized nations and civilized pe- people on the treatment of refugees. I won't go into all the details. Basically, they said, people have the right to flee across boarders from gross violations of human rights, and civil war, and war, without papers. You don't have to get a Visa if you're fleeing for your life, or if you're fleeing the death squads, or you're fleeing torture or gross violations of human rights. It's okay. You can go through the fence without papers. Secondly, it said, no civilized nation has the right to deport people back to conditions of war or gross violations of human rights. You can't do that. And thirdly, and most importantly, the law after World War Two said, civilians have not just the right- each of us as individuals has not just the right, but the duty to hide out refugees if government officials failed in their responsibility to protect refugee populations. Huh? That's the law. And more importantly, the United States took the lead in saying each of us and each of our institutions has a responsibility to the international community and to humanity- to civilization, that transcends even orders of our national officials, even orders of our military and police, in order to protect fundamental human rights, to save human lives, to protect refugees from deportation back to places where their lives are endangered. Nuremberg decided that. And that's the question we had to deal with, beginning in 1980 on our boarder. The Sanctuary Movement grew up, and has grown, and continues to grow, precisely because of the reality of the gross violations of human rights, the civil war, and the suffering and death of the people of Central America. That reality. And because of the refusal of immigration officials in this country to accept and carry out their responsibility under United States and international law to protect refugee populations from from deportation back to where they have a legitimate fear of persecution. It's that simple. Today, the Sanctuary Movement consists of almost three hundred and ninety some, I'm not sure the exact count because it keeps changing day by day, week by week, I can't keep up, three hundred and ninety some protestant, catholic, and Jewish congregations now, which are public sanctuary congregations, places where they have notified the Attorney General of the United States that they are part of an underground railroad and network of congregations, which will do everything peaceably possible to protect the lives of refugees within the sanctuary of that community of faith. They are publicly supported by over ten thousand other congregations, who have declared their support for that witness, and that act of faith, on the part of those congregations. They are joined by a number of colleges and universities, which we cannot keep track of because that number is growing so fast this year, who by vote of the student body and faculty, have declared their campus a place of sanctuary, a place of safety for refugees if necessary, reaching back to the tradition of the free university, where civil authorities have no right to interfere with the community of education and the freedom of that community to determine fundamental human rights. And they are joined by twenty-three major cities in the United States now, some of the largest cities in the United States, who by vote of the city council, have declared themselves places of sanctuary, places where city officials, police, health workers, and various city employees, will not cooperate with federal immigration officials any longer, until the federal immigration service begins to obey immigration law on the treatment of refugees and protects refugee populations from Central America once again. And they are joined by two states now, states of Wisconsin and New York, who are declared themselves places of sanctuary, places of noncooperation with federal immigration officials. What we have is today, the largest grassroots, public resistance movement to the policies and practices of the federal government, since the days of the Abolition Movement in this country. It's grown up in the face of the most popular federal administration in recent memory, and there's no accounting for that, except- except for the horrifying reality that indeed, for political reasons, our government has been involved in systematic violations of the United States and the international law on the treatment of refugees since 1981. And that- that terrifying question has been tested over, and over, and over again in debates between sanctuary workers and immigration officials, between state department officials and sanctuary members, in churches, synagogues, college campuses, before city councils, before state legislatures, across this country now, in every instance, the conclusion has been our government does not have the truth to make their case. And people have felt compelled when they know the truth to do a very simple act. To come together in communities, city councils, communities, of cities, of Christians, of Jews, of Catholics, of protestants, and say, we will do everything possible to peaceably resist these violations of human rights. That's basically the Sanctuary Movement. We get into a couple of free basic constitutional issues, and I wanna just spend about five minutes on each of them, and then have us talk together. The first, of course, is that the immigration and naturalization service in- in the course of bringing charges against sixteen church workers in Arizona, in January of 1985, for violations of federal immigration law, acknowledged in the documents they filed by the court that for the first time in the history of this nation, federal agents had, in an undercover capacity, infiltrated churches. And on behalf of their official responsibilities as agents of the federal government, posing as Christians, wearing crucifixes, swearing to us that they were Christians interested in joining the ministry of our churches, protestant and catholic, and Jewish Synagogues in Southern Arizona. They came to us and, complete with hidden tape recorders, and body bugs, and wireless transmitters hidden on their bodies, compiled a series of ninety-one tape recordings over a period of nine months. They tape recorded our worship services, they tape recorded our bible study groups on Sunday nights, they tape recorded our church meetings in the sanctuary of our churches, they tape recorded conversations in my office, in the church, all in order to bring charges against us. It is the first time in the history of this nation that the federal government has ever acknowledged. I don't believe that it's the first time, but it's the first time they have every acknowledged that they had officially infiltrated churches, worship services, bible study groups. We tried to find some other instance, and- and religious historians and constitutional legal historians searched the records of this country and found that there was no other record of that every happening. They maintained that they had every right to do so. We maintained that there ought to be something that distinguishes these days, the United States of America and our constitutional system from the Soviet Union. That in the Soviet Union, it is of course assumed that the government is going to have infiltrators and agents present in church worship services, and bible study groups, and that they are going to use that information that they gather in- in- in ways that- that might jeopardize the lives and safety, the continued freedom of those people who are involved in church activities. In the Soviet Union, in Poland, in Eastern Europe, that's assumed. We assume that the First Amendment to the Constitution in this country meant that the government had certain prohibitions against sending infiltrators and agents into our worship services and bible study groups. Government contends that there is no First Amendment prohibition against that, we have filed suit against the immigration and naturalization service and the agents, who- who infiltrated the churches and that matter is in litigation right now. The first time it was heard this Fall, in October, in federal district court in Phoenix, Arizona, district court judge granted the governments motion to dismiss our suit. He did so because he said, first of all, churches have no standing with regard to the First Amendment. He said, in the immortal words of the judge, listen, he said, only individuals, churches don't, so churches have no standing under the religion clause of the First Amendment. The judge obviously has no relationship to the Christian Church, because the Christian Church says, we're all gonna go or none of us are gonna go, we're all in this together, but- But beyond that, we believe that- that the appellant process will not uphold that opinion. Secondly, he said that- that immigration and- and the need to maintain control of our boarders is such a paramount value in this country, that it overrides any First Amendment considerations to the Constitution. That is a very, very dangerous precedent, I hope all of you recognize the danger of that, but- but we believe and are fully confident that the appellant court will recognize the danger in that position as well. But, nevertheless, that was the governments position and it was upheld. The second constitutional issue, of course, is- is a very important one, and that is the question of whether or not treaties that the United States enters into as a part of its international responsibilities to other nations and to the international community are binding in United States courts of law, and upon us as citizens. The Constitution says they are, and- Let me get the quote right. Well rather than go through my notes, at any rate, the Constitution declares that treaties and other international agreements, which the United States enters into with- with other nations, are a part of the law of the land, and that those laws and treaties are binding upon each of us as individuals, as well as- as the institutions we represent in the United States, that if the United States enters into a treaty, that treaty is duly ratified by the senate and signed by the president, then that becomes the law of the land. Constitution declares that, the judge in our case, in Tucson Arizona, declared that that was not so, and in fact federal district court- federal courts have had great difficulty dealing with that issue, historically. The judge in our case ruled that- that we could not present any testimony or evidence in our case in- in our defense about international law and refugees, about United States law on refugees, about conditions in El Salvador or Guatemala, about our religious faith, or about abuses of Central Americans by the immigration and naturalization service and border patrol. And any attempt by us to present any evidence on any of those subjects would've resulted in immediately our attorneys being incarcerated for contempt of court, and- and had us going right behind them equally, which did not seem to us to be a very viable course of- of defending the case in that point. But the judge rule is a matter of law, that those international treaties, the Geneva Conventions, the United Nations Protocols, and the treatment of refugees, which the United States had entered into, were not binding in that court, and that the United States could unilaterally, as a sovereign nation, make any rule regarding the immigration and control of its borders any time it chose to, and could ignore any treaty it chose to any time it wanted to. We believe that that is in- in addition a very, very dangerous precedent. That when we as a nation, as a people, enter with other civilized nations into certain treaties and agreements, which voluntarily and willingly limit our sovereignty, that that ought to be the law of the land, it ought to be obeyed, not only by government officials, but by each of us as individuals. And lastly, of course, the fundamental question that- that the Sanctuary Movement raises is the basis of our government in our constitution, and that is a word that in some quarters of this country and in some portions of government in this country, is not a term that is held in high regard. And that term is human rights. When I began my involvement with refugees from Central America and my congregation began to provide sanctuary, we did so because of our faith, and I must freely admit that if the Constitution, and the law of the United States, and international law, and refugees, and everything else said that what I was doing was illegal, I would still have to do it because of my faith, and I want you all to understand that. But what I discovered in the course of- of my involvement with refugees from Central America, and what I had to defend in terms of my actions, both legally and morally and ethically, I discovered a whole lot about human rights I hadn't been taught in school, and hadn't learned a lot about until I was suddenly faced with this very grave dilemma and this human tragedy. What I discovered was that that very foundations of this nation have to do with an incredible assertion about responsibility. Responsibility of each of us and especially the responsibility of our government. The founders of this nation said, we hold certain truths to be self evident, that all are created equal, and that all are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. Among these are life and liberty, and they went on to detail those. Two things are quite obvious from that statement. One is that the founders of this nation, this nations very foundations, philosophically as well as legally and constitutionally, have to do with the incredible assertion that because we are human beings and each one of us is human beings, there are certain rights- human rights, which no government, and no magistrate, and no immigration official, and no judge can ever take away from us. That's- that's the bedrock. That's the bedrock. And that if a government tries to do that, any government official, or any judge, or any magistrate, or any bureaucrat tries to take away certain fundamental human rights from anyone, then that government loses any claim to legitimacy. It has no claim to authority or legitimacy over the people. In the Constitution, those rights are delineated in terms of the Bill of Rights, the amendments to the Constitution. They're laid out, and they get expanded throughout the history of this country in very clear ways- recognized ways. The success- the light that fundamental understanding of this government in this constitution is reflected in- in the ways in which all of the governments of the world, and the numbers of nations that have come into being since- since the first World War and particularly the second World War, have grounded their constitutions in the same fundamental concept of human rights, and have said that there are certain basic rights, which government has the responsibility to ensure, and if a government fails to protect those fundamental human rights, then that government loses its claim to legitimacy and we all have a responsibility, not only to resist those violations of human rights, but to hold government accountable. Thomas Jefferson, in framing our constitution, wrote to James Madison that a Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth. In- in this century, a justice by the name of Brandeis said it very clearly, that when government violates the law, it- when government itself, when government officials violate the law, it is an invitation to anarchy because it invites everyone to be a responsible human being. The tragedy that we are faced with today is the tragedy of government officials not only disobeying international and United States law, but basic ignoring fundamental human rights and placing fundamental refugee and human rights in jeopardy by their knowing and willful violations of those laws. The World Court declared this administration in violation of international law in 1984. Remember? I waited for responsible people in this country to rise up and say, now that a court- a final court- the World Court has adjudicated this question, and has determined that you all are in violation of the law, I waited for them to demand that our government begin to obey the law. The tragedy of this country and of us as a people is we failed in our responsibility. It's not Ronald Reagan's fault, and it's not George Shultz's fault, it's not Ed Meese's fault, it's our fault. It's our fault. What happened to the law schools of all the universities of this country? What happened to the leaders of our institutions? What happened to the members of congress and the senate? Where would we be? The silence was deafening, except in many ways, grassroots resistance movements have emerged in this country. It's not happened at the top, and it's not been very spectacular, but it has grown up. In many ways, people in Ames, Iowa, and Tucson, Arizona, and across this country, are searching for ways that we can act responsibly and be responsible to- to the law, and to human rights, and to the international community, and- and the Sanctuary Movement is one of those ways in which we have tried to fulfill our legal responsibility, our civic responsibility under Nuremberg, and the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution of the United States, our religious responsibility under every Judeo-Christian tradition that- that is obvious. But people are trying to find ways in which to be responsible, and what is encouraging is that- that growing and- and vigorous grassroots movement we find, and I invite you all into it. It's not a good time to have to deal with these questions, folks. I wish that we had a government that respected human rights and did not see it as a threat to our national security, did not see human rights as a left-wing communist conspiracy to undermine the national security needs of the United States. I wish that were not true. I wish we were not supporting army equipment and training some of the worst mass murderers and gross violators of human rights in this hemisphere, I wish that weren't being done with my tax dollars. I wish we weren't in blatant violation of international law and prosecuting an illegal war against a sovereign nation in Nicaragua. I wish that weren't happening. But now that it is, and now that we know it is, question is are we able to be responsible human beings and citizens of this country. We have a very clear responsibility. In the words of Abraham Joshua Heschel, great Jewish ethicist of this century, he said, let's get it straight, folks, only a few of us are guilty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120254#t=0.0,2771.952"}]}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - AV203646_Civil_Initiatives_and_the_Constitution_b.mp3"]},"duration":1666.272,"width":640,"height":40,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/120/255/small/lecture.png?1627045828","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-iastate.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/120/255/original/AV203646_Civil_Initiatives_and_the_Constitution_b.mp3?1627045828","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":1666.272,"width":640,"height":40},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AV203646_Civil_Initiatives_and_the_Constitution_b.vtt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(audience applauds)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=5.434,9.24"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, questions. Let's talk together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=9.24,11.493"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=17.07,17.904"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e I have a 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now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=22.795,25.49"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are violating U.S. law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=25.49,26.873"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would very much, I feel, quote that myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=27.857,30.156"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell us where exactly you can find the laws","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=30.156,33.228"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that are being 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found","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=37.94,40.53"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that the international dimensions","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=40.53,42.26"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of what is United States law in the Neutrality Act","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=42.26,44.84"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were being systematically violated by this administration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=44.84,48.23"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255/transcript/31388/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Certainly, the Arms Export and Control 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Let's talk together. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- I have a question. Thank you first of all for a pleasant talk. You had mentioned that the people in the administration now are violating U.S. law. I would very much, I feel, quote that myself. Can you tell us where exactly you can find the laws that are being violated?\r\n\r\n- The United States Neutrality Act, first of all. The world court certainly found that the international dimensions of what is United States law in the Neutrality Act were being systematically violated by this administration. Certainly, the Arms Export and Control Act has been systematically violated by this administration. Everybody acknowledges that. The only question is, who knew what and when? And who gave the orders and who can be judged criminally? I believe the United Nations High Commission on Refugees has notified the Reagan administration since 1981 that they are in violation of international law in the treatment of refugees, which is reflected in United States 1980 Refugee Act. And increasing numbers of observers believe that the Immigration and Naturalization Service is in violation of the 1980 Refugee Act. In fact, the only time that's been tested in court, a federal judge heard the case of the Sanctuary Movement and the INS and issued a preliminary injunction which still stands against the INS for their, what he called, systematic violations of United States law by the Immigration and Naturalization Service. There are many others, and I'm not a lawyer, but those are the most obvious ones that are most often mentioned by legal authorities. Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- With this new immigration law that just passed, is it likely the states of Wisconsin and New York and some of the cities are going to employ people here without permission from immigration? In other words, is that all true? And a decision made as to how they could challenge that law in reference to the people who apply for sanctuary and political asylum.\r\n\r\n- The new quote unquote \"Immigration Reform Law\" does not deal with refugee questions at all, and so it does not affect refugee laws. The new immigration law has to do with primarily folk who are economic migrants.\r\n\r\n- My questions dealt with the employer sanctions.\r\n\r\n- Okay. No, it's still illegal, and the cities and the states who have declared themselves places of sanctuary, do so with a very limited kind of frame of reference to it. It doesn't have anything to do with employment. But it has to do with what is the most vulnerable position of refugees away from the border? In other words, if you get a hundred miles away from the border you almost never run into a border patrol agent or an immigration official. The reason is they're concentrated along the border. They do that for logistical reasons and efficiency reasons. And so, most often when people, undocumented people get turned over to immigration authorities, it's because they've run into a city policeman who's given them a traffic ticket for a taillight that's out or for speeding. Or they've run into a building inspector that's inspecting their apartment building for health reasons. Or they run into an emergency room worker in a hospital emergency room that when they get taken there for a traffic accident or a broken arm or somethin', they discover they don't have any documents. And so they report 'em to immigration officials, they come down, pick 'em up, and then deport 'em. Now, what that means is that city employees will no longer cooperate in turning over folk they run into who are undocumented to immigration authorities if they stop 'em for a traffic ticket or they identify 'em in an emergency room of a hospital or somethin' like that. That's what the Declarations of Sanctuary mean.\r\n\r\n- You've emphasized the religious aspect. Do you get negative reactions from some church-affiliated people, and if so, do you think it's dividing up along ideological-\r\n\r\n- Sure.\r\n\r\n- Mostly ideological.\r\n\r\n- Of course, of course. The church is always reflective of the culture it's found in except when it's faithful. It doesn't happen very often. That's not a strange statement. You just go study church history 101 wherever that's taught in this institution. But sure, and the great division that's going on in the church today is not, I mean, it doesn't make any difference anymore whether you're a Protestant or a Catholic, does it? Have you ever noticed that, folks? That's not a real serious question any longer. What the real serious question these days is, are you a part of the church of the poor and the oppressed or are you part of the church of the rich and the powerful? Huh? And that makes all the difference. That's dividing Presbyterians, that questions dividing Catholics, that questions dividing Jews. It's dividing every denomination. And it's the question that each of us is faced with these days. It's the new reformation that's going on. Every 400 years or so the church goes through this kind of revolutionary change where it rediscovers a part of the Bible that it hasn't been reading for a while. And which is extraordinarily relevant for that situation in that time. When feudalism and feudal institutions were collapsing in Europe, Calvin and Luther came along and read this thing about salvation by faith and by faith alone, and by grace, huh? And that gave a theological, spiritual understanding to people that enabled them to move from that collapsing feudal institutional understanding of their role in society in the world and relationship to God, and brought whole new political and economic institutions into being, all right? If Max Weber was right, it was democracy and capitalism that that Protestant Reformation gave rise to. I think there's a lotta truth to that. Well, we live in a time when the world, and I mean, not the United States and the Soviet Union, but the rest of the world has pretty much decided that free market capitalism and state communism are as irrelevant and unviable as feudalism was considered to be in the 16th century. And that the whole rest of the world is saying to the United States and the Soviet Union pretty much a pox on both your houses. We wanna be free of your silly global national security games, and we wanna find some other viable way to ensure the future of our children and our people. And that struggle for liberation that's going on in the rest of the world from both the United States and the Soviet Union, is the critical question that's gonna determine the next 100, 200 years, and the church, of course, is asked to grapple with that question spiritually. And the question that's before us in the United States is, are we gonna be the church that understands itself spiritually in solidarity with the poor and oppressed of this world, or are we gonna seek our own national security interests and maintain that God wants us all to be rich and powerful? And that way of reading the Bible is what's going on spiritually in terms of a reformation revolution in the church today, and it's what's gonna divide all of us. It's gonna divide Presbyterians as seriously as it divided Protestants and Catholics in the 16th century. And watch out, folks, because what you're seein' in much of the world today is a new Inquisition. It's no accident that they're killing archbishops and priests and catechists and evangelical pastors in El Salvador and Guatemala. That isn't an accident, folks. That's because they were faithful. They didn't murder Archbishop Romero for any other reason than he was a darn faithful archbishop. Eh? They didn't kill those nuns because Jeane Kirkpatrick said, \"Well, they weren't really nuns. They were political.\" They killed 'em because they had decided to care about the poor and oppressed and seek justice in El Salvador, and that was a spiritual commitment on their part, and, boy, you get killed for that in many parts of the world. South Africa you get killed for it. You get killed for it in El Salvador and Guatemala. You get killed for it in lots of places. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- It's just such a privilege to listen to you as a representative of this movement which is so powerful and grassroots, and it just occurs to me that yesterday we heard a representative of INS here say to the audience when asked by someone a question which I can't remember anymore, \"Oh no, INS would never go into a church.\" Of course we know that that's blatantly not so, and at the beginning of your talk you mentioned that some of the truths that you're laying out here have been very hard for people to accept across this country, and that in the last four months they've become easier to accept. And I assume that you were referring to the whole Iran-\r\n\r\n- Iran-Contra thing, sure.\r\n\r\n- My question is, do you see a really large change in terms of that, or do you see the possibility again for a co-optation of that kind of truth? Because their machinery with which to deal with our truths is such a well-oiled and sophisticated machinery, that over and over again, I, in my life, have seen situations in which some of us can say, \"Well, now they have to see. Now they will not be able to, we will not be able to deny this any longer.\" And with a great deal of skill, it just sort of gets covered over.\r\n\r\n- That's right. And it will this time, too. I mean, all you see in the editorial comments and in the so-called responsible press these days is, \"We cannot allow this unfortunate mistake to jeopardize the institution of the presidency.\" And what that means is basically the Republicans don't wanna dig this thing up too far, and the Democrats think that they may get the presidency in a couple of years, and so they don't wanna dig it up too far. And so, both of their self-interest of the major political parties in this country is coming together in order to maintain established status quo patterns in this country. And that everybody's decided, well, we'll fiddle around the edges with this one for a little bit, but we're not gonna dig this one out, and we're not gonna really lay it out too deeply. Of course, of course. I mean, me as an individual, I do it all the time. I call it repression. I mean, I like to cover up my sins. And I don't like to talk about 'em too much in public, and if I can hide 'em, I do it. That's true of nations, it's true of communities, it's true of families. We got a couple of black sheep in the family that our family tries to shuck into the corner all the time. It's normal, and it's gonna happen if we allow 'em to get away with it. If we really don't believe, though, that that is either gonna contribute to the health of this nation, or it's gonna contribute to the future institutional viability of this country, or it's gonna contribute to our responsibility as human beings, just our little charter that says, \"I'm a real live human being. And I've gotta take some responsibility in that regard,\" then we've gotta lay it out and we've gotta allow the truth to emerge, and we've gotta really take a look at what has been done in our name throughout this hemisphere in the Middle East, in lots of places. And that's gonna be tough. It's gonna be an agonizing experience. But don't let anybody tell ya that we oughta cover it up, or we oughta shuck it under the rug one more time in the interest of maintaining the viability of the presidency. I mean, repression and shucking the truth under the table is the best way to destroy our institutions that that we know of. Y'all know that. I mean, how we let editorial writers and commentators get away with that stuff in this country is absolutely beyond me, but that's the major drive right now and watch out for it, folks. Every time it emerges, somebody's gotta stand up and say, \"No, we depend, we absolutely depend on the truth for our institutional viability as well as our personal integrity, and there's no other way to do it. We've got to have the truth.\" And any attempt to short circuit that process is gonna destroy us and destroy the presidency quicker than anything you can imagine. We've got to understand that. Got to.\r\n\r\n- I have a question.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I'm sorry. I've been just lookin' over here. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- No, it's fine. I have a question. In your opinion what do you believe the responsibility is of this audience here? I mean, you talk about the responsibility of , but I don't think it's rational or responsible for me to, say, go down south to the border or something and say, \"Well, I have things that I'm doing here.\" What can I do? What is the responsible-\r\n\r\n- Yeah. I don't know who you are. If I knew that, let me give you some clues, though. Lawyers are comin' together and working together to file a series of legal initiatives with regard to this whole situation. And if you're a lawyer, you're involved in the law school, or any of those disciplines, you all know where those places are. Go work your fanny off in that regard. Hold this government accountable every legal initiative way you can possibly do that. And if I was a lawyer, I could tell ya all the details of that, but I can't, but y'all know where that's goin' on. In churches, the religious community has a certain responsibility, and basically that's gotten channeled two ways. One is through the Sanctuary Movement, one is through the Witness for Peace movement within the religious community. Go do that thing. And work as hard as you can, in your churches and in your congregations in Ames, Iowa to educate people and to hold their feet to the fire on that one and talk about what responsibility is. And if you're a university, and you have some responsibility for the administration of the university, ya know, ya got to teach and ya got to educate and ya got to sit down with the law school and sit down with the medical school and find out what you can do to bring victims of the war in Nicaragua, to treat 'em here in the United States, huh? And make sure when those children who've been blown up by Contra mines down there arrive here, that the community of Ames has, and this university community has a chance to see what's happening to human beings as a result of our illegal war down there. I mean, use your creativity. I don't know. The marvelous thing about this grassroots movement that's goin' on now across the United States is whatever people skills and whatever gifts they have, they're usin' 'em in very creative ways to bring about that kind of education and resistance and responsibility that we all need. I got enough trouble tryin' to figure out what to do with my congregation. But I know that there's just really astonishing things that musicians and lawyers and doctors and all kinds of folk are doin', and if you just, God, if we just put 1/10 of the creativity and energy into this effort that we do into other things, think what we could do, think what could be accomplished. I mean, it's astonishing. It's astonishing. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- In the last couple weeks there's been a lot of, somebody wrote in the \"The Register\" about the Peace Corps, the problems it's been having with dispersed nationals. And as upset some of the Nicaraguan citizens are getting about that. Is that a problem with the Peace Corps? Is that because, that one side is upset because of subversive action that the CIA's using, or is it because that there are actual Peace Corps people there who are trying to get good things done and nobody wants them there?\r\n\r\n- I don't have any frame of reference, I don't have any studies or intimate knowledge about the work of the Peace Corps recently to give you a response with regard to the Peace Corps on that. I will tell ya that, that a part of the problem with this administration is that they have deliberately, and consciously and publicly said. \"We want to use every program of this government in our political and ideological campaign, and we will use every method we can, and no one's gonna be exempt from this.\" And I assume that means the Peace Corps as well. And so, it would not surprise me that, ya know, all of the programmatic arms of this administration are being used ideologically to advance a particular worldview and a particular ideological position. But I don't know, I don't have any information on that. So I don't wanna comment on somethin' I don't know about. My experience with the Immigration and Naturalization Service is that they have been misused in their responsibilities.\r\n\r\n- I have a personal friend who got involved recently. He got back from Nicaragua a year and a half ago time, so. I don't know where he stood on the situation.\r\n\r\n- When you're in the midst of a revolution and then a cultural war, a lot of human beings are gonna get chewed up. And that's the responsibility that we all have is to salvage as many of those human lives as we can from those kinds of tragic situations. The other thing I wanna maintain and be very clear about is the United States government and Immigration Service particularly, accuses the Sanctuary Movement of only helping certain refugees. In others words, if folk are escaping military and security forces we'll help 'em, but we don't help Nicaraguans who are escaping from Sandinista government, right? That's simply not true. It's simply another part of the ideological position of this government. What we do is help folk from all sides of the question, but we're very clear about where most of the folk are fleeing from and who's doing most of the killing and who's doing the torturing in Central America, and that's what the Reagan administration doesn't like. But there are two sanctuary workers in prison right now. One of 'em is in prison for helpin' in Nicaragua, the other for helpin' a Salvadoran family.\r\n\r\n- We'll have time for one more question.\r\n\r\n- Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- News from Central America, there seems to be very little from El Salvador or Guatemala. Not to say that there's bias one way or the other, there just simply isn't any news.\r\n\r\n- That's right.\r\n\r\n- Can you comment on that?\r\n\r\n- Oh, of course. The Pentagon, in reviewing the failure of our counterinsurgency warfare effort, our effort to pacify the people of Vietnam, came to certain conclusions. One was that the American people don't have the stomach for counterinsurgency warfare if they know the extent of the human suffering that it causes to civilian populations. So, their solution to that problem is not to say what's wrong with our practice of counterinsurgency warfare that we need to change? It was to say we cannot allow the American people to see this if we're gonna successfully carry on our practice of counterinsurgency warfare. So, what you will find, and it doesn't take any genius to figure this out, is that the Soviet Union practicing counterinsurgency warfare, trying to pacify the people of Afghanistan, you know 10 times more about that war and the human suffering that it's causing than you do about what's going on in Salvador and Guatemala. And yet, exactly the same thing is going on. We're practicing counterinsurgency warfare in El Salvador and Guatemala, like the Soviet Union's practicing it in Afghanistan. And it results in exactly the same thing. We have both managed to displace, dislocate somewhere between 20 and 25% of the civilian population of each of those countries. When the United States invaded Grenada, it was clear that they felt in order to do that they needed to keep the news media out as a matter of policy, and they said, \"We're just gonna keep you out.\" In Salvador, it's been a little more subtle, but the policy is exactly the same. They are doing everything possible not to allow any coverage of the war, the bombing of the countryside, the army sweep, the military sweeps there, or the human rights violations that are goin' on. It's a matter of deliberate policy, and it's very effective. If you're a journalist, go to Salvador and report what's goin' on there.\r\n\r\n- Haven't we been bombing that country for about a year and a half?\r\n\r\n- We've been bombing that country since '83. Yeah. But you never see it because they don't want you to. And they've found very effective ways to screen journalists off from that kind of information. Yeah, John here.\r\n\r\n- I understood you to say that, and I recall, correct the figures are, in 1939, it was Jewish refugees that were turned back.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, we denied 97% of their-\r\n\r\n- It was a great scandal, you know. After the war, it was just and such. There was concern that some of 'em could slip into Mexico by payin' off federal government. As far as our policies were concerned, it was used as a great shame as far as I recall.\r\n\r\n- That's right.\r\n\r\n- World War II to our everlasting shame at times. Now I understand that Israel is very actively involved in Guatemala and the training of the police and their techniques there, and furnishing the military with the means to destroy their own people. And the same in Nicaragua, as you know the Contras are immediately the culprit. We're finding out every day just how-\r\n\r\n- The Sultan of Brunei has a hand in that little effort.\r\n\r\n- Have you had any kind of response out of Israel for this seeming contradiction? Where the Jews were once turned back from these shores. And today, Israel is engaging in literally the same practices. Created so much-\r\n\r\n- That creates an enormous problem for people in synagogues here in the United States because you're right. When it was deemed necessary strategically to turn the death squads loose in El Salvador in '79 and '80, of course the the military advisors and the people who'd had the most immediate and wealth of experience in death squad activity were the Argentinean military. So, Argentinian military advisors were sent from Argentina to El Salvador to train and advise the Salvadoran military on how to do it right. A little thing happened on the way to that neat little scheme on the part of the United States and our coordination of that effort, and that was the Falklands Malvinas War happened. And as a result of the United States' support for Great Britain in that war, in the Malvinas War, Argentina said, \"To heck with you. We're not gonna train your surrogates down in Salvador anymore,\" and they pulled out. And the unfortunate truth of the matter is that when they pulled out the United States got Israeli advisors, military advisors to go in there and advance that effort in terms of training the Salvadoran military on counterinsurgency and interrogation techniques and intelligence briefings.\r\n\r\n- This suggests then that the Israelis have some training in that themselves, they're able to train people.\r\n\r\n- Of course, of course.\r\n\r\n- Even though they have publicly denied it.\r\n\r\n- Any observer in the Middle East knows that they are very skilled and highly trained in some of those areas. And the government of Israel and the people of Israel are going through the agony of trying to determine judicially now not only what happened in Lebanon, but what happened to some Palestinians who were picked up, as you know, on a raid on a bus and were found later tortured and killed in Israel. It's an agonizing question for the Israelis as well as for us, and we're all in this together, folks. We have been and are in this one in an awful lot of ways, and we're gonna have to deal with it as we walk into it. The first point is to get the truth out on the table so we can look at it carefully.\r\n\r\n- If you'd like to talk to him after, he'll be here afterwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46860/file/120255#t=0.0,1666.272"}]}]}]}