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York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112070#t=1844.33,1847.13"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112070/transcript/25087/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In Congress, three bills have been introduced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112070#t=1847.13,1850.68"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112070/transcript/25087/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One would ban the 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in the anthropology program at here at Iowa State University. I welcome you tonight to hear my sister Linda, speak on progeny by proxy, surrogacy and its social consequences. Now my sister is not here just because she's my sister, but because she is an expert in the area of medical ethics. She is an associate professor of anthropology at the University of South Florida. She has several degrees in anthropology, a BA from Beloit College, a Master's and PhD from a Midwestern University, and a Master of Public Health in the University of Texas. Right now she's involved in research in primary health care in the Dominican Republic, and her particular areas of interest, focus on child and maternal health. She's just completed a book on ethics of reproductive technology, and she serves as the medical track leader for the PhD program and Applied anthropology at the University of South Florida. She has one dog, one kid, a husband and a cat and she insists that she is not a yuppie. I'm delighted to have my sister here and I hope you will join me and welcome her to the CB. I heard that we have a little commercial. Her presence is due to the generosity of a variety of different organizations, the Anthropology club, the Anthropology program, Philosophy, Religious studies, sociology, the Graduate college, Women's Studies Program, the Pre-med program. And of course, all of this is really brought to you by the Committee on lectures funded by the government of the Student body. So we thank all of them for helping us this evening. Linda.\r\n\r\n- Well, thank you. I've come a long way to hear my brother introduced me that way. Never before have I heard such a nice thing said to me by a family member. Thank you, that was it was fun. I'm very pleased to be here, not only because I'm visiting my brother, but because having grown up in the Midwest, it's always kind of a thrill to come back as it was to leave. It's nice to be here. I live in South Florida, I live in Tampa. And those people who love the flat golf coast, love Tampa. I find it a little flat and so I find Ames quite lovely with the rolling hills and the trees and I'm very pleased to be here. My University is quite different than yours. It's 25 years old and all of the buildings look kind of alike. And it is nice to see buildings that are made out of red brick, not concrete block. So it's a lot of fun to be here. I have a bunch of things to say about surrogacy. And the difficulty with any sort of talk is that when you're talking about a topic that either you find very interesting, or you know something about, it's almost impossible to figure out what it is that I don't have time to tell you, right? How much can I tell you that you're gonna be interested in a little bit of time? And so we'll just go over some things kind of briefly. I became interested in the issue of surrogacy because I was interested in child maternal health and family organization and family relationships. Partially because I had, as Michael said, I have one dog, one cat, one husband, and two cars. And I had my child late when I was 33, and became very interested in elderly primiparous which is a marvelous way of talking about older women when they have their firstborn children. When she arrived, I discovered that she changed my life in ways I never would have imagined and became more interested after that in family dynamics and the relationship that individuals develop with children and how children change families. And then from that moved into the idea of what it would be like to have progeny by proxy, or what would it be like to be involved in a surrogacy relationship? And then after that became more concerned with the larger issues that surrogacy raises. Three years ago, and I was given a paper, the first paper I did on surrogacy, in Reno in February 22. And it turns out later on, I learned this, that that was the day the baby was born, serendipitous occasion, but her birth has influenced a lot of the data that we've all had available to us because of the publicity surrounding her, the trials concerning her. When you think about surrogacy, you have to think about the new reproductive technologies. And those of you who remember when birth control became legal and safe and available in the late 60s, have to think about these new reproductive technologies, essentially, completing a loop that was opened with safe and easy contraception. Safe and easy contraception made possible sex without reproduction. And what the new reproductive technologies do is they close this circle by making it possible to reproduce without having sex. Which then in turn opens a whole series of other kinds of questions. The talk I'm gonna give is basically concerned with commercial surrogacy. And I make a careful distinction between non-commercial surrogacy, surrogacy done in exchange for love, in exchange for non-remuneration and commercial surrogacy. Because just as sex without reproduction was made possible by reliable birth control and now, reproduction without sex is made possible by the new reproductive technologies, medicine and commerce close that circle, and so doing open a whole set of domains of legal ethical and social ambiguity. Part of the question that is raised when people talk about surrogacy is what does it mean? What is it people talk about it as baby selling, womb renting, exploitation of women, miracle cure for infertile couples. And yet, we don't really know what it means. We don't know what it implies. We don't know what the long term cost of commercialization of surrogacy might be. Without a doubt, we can see that it has raised public and private controversy, because what it does is it raises complicated and intricate questions. Is surrogacy lifesaving service for the infertile or is it baby selling? Are women who become surrogate mothers, prostitutes working working in breeding stables, or are they selfless women giving the joy of life to others? These are quotes taken from articles and magazines and newspapers. One question that's asked is does commercial surrogacy turn babies into commodities to be born and sold, products not on men and women but out of an entrepreneurial baby brokering? Does legitimizing surrogacy in this society since we're only talking about our own society right now, sanction an industry in which women are rented for their wombs, and children are products of contracts. Now each of these pieces raise with them many other kinds of questions. First of all, what exactly is surrogacy? A third of the pregnancy occurs when a woman conceives through artificial insemination by donor, often referred to as a ID aid, not aids, and less often through in vitro fertilization or embryo transfer. This conception of pregnancy are then carried to term and at term that child has relinquished to the child's natural or genetic father. The procedure is generally selected by a couple where the wife is infertile or unable to conceive. Commercial surrogacy includes a payment to the broker, the individual sets it up, to the lawyer frequently, to a doctor, and to the surrogate. Maybe as much as $40,000 and frequently the other extraneous costs go much higher, out of which the surrogate herself may receive only $10,000. Well, if this is such a kind of slippery, messy kind of set of questions that are raised, why is via surrogacy popular? Why does it exist? Why is it something that people are willing to get engaged in? Partially because fertility in the United States is increasing. Presently, infertility is increasing. Infertility affects between 15 and 20% of married couples in the United States. That means that roughly one in every six couples of childbearing age are infertile or experience some degree of infertility difficulty. Now, the incidence of reported infertility and granted we're only talking about reported infertility many couples experience infertility problems and don't report them. So we don't have access to that data. But incidence of reported infertility has increased in the last 10 years in particular, due to increase in sexually transmitted diseases that cause scarring of fallopian tubes, harmful effects of environmental pollutants such as lead and hydrocarbons, as they affect sperm count, and a greater willingness on the part of couples to seek treatment for infertility. We'll return to that later because one of the difficult things about infertility treatments not surrogacy per se, but infertility treatments as they become more common is that they deny a natural mourning period to couples who are experience infertility problems. Instead of being able to say all right, we are one of us is infertile, we will move into an alternative decision mode adopt child, decide not have a child instead of that happening, they are continually invited to come back for one more procedure, come back and let us experiment with one more piece of new medical tech, come back and the success rates are very, very low. And yet what's happening to many of these couples is they cannot come to a conclusion and deal with that. They're constantly being encouraged to try something else. So it's very painful. Okay, so what's the controversy? We have something that's available that has been going on for centuries. surrogacy, not commercial surrogacy, but surrogacy itself is a long tradition in many, many cultures, where women have children, for other women, for sister, for an aunt, for cousin and less through surrogacy, but through children exchange, children are passed between families. What makes it different is as I come back to the commercialization process. So why is there such a controversy? There's a clear need in the United States with increased infertility, that medical technology is easily available, artificial insemination by donor or other ways of doing it, right that we would all know about it. So why is there a debate? The debate in part is because commercial surrogacy raises public questions about private topics. It focuses attention on moral and legal ambiguity of documents, defining rights and obligations, whose right to whom is, is most important, dealing frequently with mutually conflicting sets of rights. Who gets to make the decision, in whose hands rest these decisions and even ownership ownership of the sperm, ownership of fertilized embryos and most tragically, ownership or responsibility for child born and then refused by both surrogate and contractual parents. As I mentioned, surrogacy is a social issue. Infertility may be a biological issue. The response to infertility, I would argue as a social issue. In surrogacy just becomes a social issue. The medical technology is available. It's a social implications of the practice that in gender concern and attitudes about the new reproductive technologies, such as in vitro fertilization and surrogacy have changed quite radically in the last several decades. The controversy over surrogacy turns on three major issues of social and ethical significance, not all of which we'll go through. But one is the issue of class exploitation, intrinsic to commercial surrogacy. Again, this is an issue because of the commercialization. The class exploitation, because you're dealing with, as for instance, a case we're most familiar with of Mary Beth Whitehead, you're dealing with one couple who can afford to buy something from somebody else. Rarely are you going to find the wife of a garbage collector, hiring the wife of a pediatrician trying to reverse that bit of the baby, end situation. The second issue is the legal status of surrogacy agreements. And the third is a redefinition of maternal rights explicit within surrogacy. Who is the mother? Generally, people say you can always tell who the mother is, right? The mother is the one that gives birth. It's always a question of who's the father? When my daughter was born, my father looked at her and he said, \"well, I'm glad to know that you,\" \"that I was awake during labor and delivery,\" \"to make sure that she was mine\" \"because she looks exactly like my husband,\" \"and not at all like me.\" But I was awake and I know she's mine. So usually we assume pretty comfortably, motherhood, it's a question of fatherhood or paternity frequently, surrogacy reverses the question. surrogacy raises the question of motherhood, who is the mother? As I mentioned, things have changed in the last 10 and 15 years. In 1973, John and Delores Telzio became the first recognized couple to attempt in vitro fertilization in the United States. They went to Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center in New York, to have in vitro fertilization accomplished. They succeeded and Telzio was inseminated and she wasn't inseminated, he was in vitro fertilization. They put it in the glass Petri dish, the glass was rushed over to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, so that she could then be later on impregnated, and the physician who did it was very pleased to succeed in accomplishing this. The physician in charge was a Dr. Raymond VanderWilde, who furiously scolded the physician who had accomplished this for the Telzios. He said that it was dangerous, it was unethical, and the Dr. VanderWilde opened up the Petri dish killing the fertilized embryo. Well, this is interesting because of the date, this was 1973. The Del Rio sued the hospital and Dr. VanderWilde, for $50,000. And yet within 10 years, simply 10 years later, the in vitro fertilization clinic was established in the same hospital, Columbia Medical Center, and the same physician who had scolded the consultant physician, Dr. Raman VanderWilde was made in charge of the entire in vitro fertilization clinic. In 10 years it turned up it was okay to do, people's ideas changed. As I mentioned, frequently the question has been in the past, who is the father in surrogacy? You know, the father and the question is how do we define the mother? In 1982 a case in Michigan, the question was back to who is the father? In 1982, a surrogate mother by the name of Judy Stiver, agreed to be inseminated by an individual by the name of Alexander Malahoff. And this is all public record because it resulted in a court case. And when the baby was born, it was mentally retarded and microcephalic. And both sides said I didn't have anything to do with this. Both sides said, this child's not my responsibility. Malahoff refused to accept the baby and claimed that it wasn't his. Well, in this case, he was kind of lucky in that they had some blood tests, and it showed that it wasn't his. Yeah, that Judy stiver had had intercourse with her husband at about the same time that she had been inseminated, and it was her husband's child. Okay, question then that comes up as she says, but I signed a contract to give this child up. This is not my child. This is not a child my husband and I planned on. And at the moment Children and State institution, and both Malahoff and Stivers are suing each other over the same contract, right? Contract is supposed to tell you how it works, doesn't. So the child is awarded the state while they argue over who is responsible for it and who broke the contract. The surrogacy contracts are very problematic. There are no uniform contracts yet established anywhere in the United States. Surrogacy has been forcing the issue into the courts. And the courts, as you may know, are not really comfortable with the issue. They don't know how to resolve it, and they tend to reverse one another at different levels, let alone different ones between different states. In 1979, Illinois was one of the first states to deal explicitly with in vitro fertilization. I'm timing in vitro fertilization cause it leads into surrogacy. I believe that Illinois changed up. In 1979, they decided to make essentially the doctor who was involved in in vitro fertilization, the custodian of the child. They decided in 1979 that any doctor who undertakes such a procedure as in vitro fertilization, which is now very common. The legal custodian of the embryo and liable for prosecution under an 1877 law against child abuse. When you're reaching people do not know where to turn and how to make up their minds on these issues. Yeah, more recently, and I think equally interesting, is a case where the ownership of sperm became a major issue. And this is a first one of the most striking illustrations of the legal confusion occurred in Europe, where a female secretary and must say in the Merced police department, by the name of Coli Papayo. decided to go to court to try to get her husband's sperm. Her husband had donated sperm, a year before his death. When he died, they had had no children. She went to court saying that she wanted to become pregnant with his sperm, and that she had a moral right to his sperm. She asked for the sperm, so she'd be impregnated with it. And the sperm bank said no. That the dead man had left no information, no instructions about what he wanted to do with his sperm. And, quoting, \"the French law offered little guidance,\" \"and to the whole case rested on exclusively philosophical arguments about what the dead man's sperm really was. Was it an organ transplant? An inheritable piece of property? The state prosecutor sided with the sperm bank, arguing that it was part of the dead man's body, even though it was separated from his body. And the dead man had a basic right to physical integrity. And the prosecutor argued, concluding saying that the widow had no more right to his sperm than she did to his feet or ears. Well, obviously, you were mixing apples and oranges. We don't know how to begin to talk about this. I mean, how do we talk about sperm, whose sperm? When does it become yours and not yours? When is it somebody else's? We don't have a legal system by which to deal with this yet, which is why this becomes so problematic. To give you the end of that story, to the surprise of the legal experts, who I think have been surprised with the rulings on surrogacy all the way along, the court agreed with Papayo and said that she could have her husband's deposit, and she was delighted, became impregnated, and I know you want to hear the end. She had a baby boy who she says is going to be a pianist. So she succeeded in getting the embryo or getting the sperm. Question, though, of course, then becomes who owns sperm? Who owns embryos? And then you must push it a step further and say, who owns children? We don't like to say that. We don't like to talk about this. But in part, surrogacy, the commercialization of surrogacy pushes us to answer that. We do have to answer that. And when I do conclude, which I will from time, we have to realize that there are all sorts of cases now and and legal briefs before legislators all over the United States, trying to tell us what to do. They don't know any more than we do, about how to solve this. Medical technology has moved ahead of social mores, forcing decisions that we previously didn't have to make. The difficulty is that they're made with a consequence of another living human being who doesn't go away, who you can't say, I'm sorry, I've changed my mind, take it back. And it's not a decision that's only made about the person making the decision, which makes it a little bit different than many of the other kind of MedTech kind of decisions. No case encapsulate some of the ambiguities of the consequences of these reproductive technologies, as well, as does the case of Mario and Elsa Rios. You may have heard of these cases, because they're really quite extraordinary. And this one deals with some of the really dramatic consequences of being able to do things, and yet not knowing what we do with them afterwards. Mario and Elsa Rios, were a Los Angeles couple who's orphaned embryos, I think still today lie in a freezer in Melbourne, Australia. The doctors removed them from Elsa Rios, removed her eggs and then fertilized them with sperm from an anonymous donor, Mario Rios was infertile. Some of the eggs within implanted in Mrs. Rios, and the remaining two were frozen. Mrs. Rios was very happy that the implantation seemed to be going, they were very pleased that they were two more remaining embryos, and she said to the physicians in Australia, you keep the remaining two for me, we'll see how this one works. And then perhaps I'll return. The implants failed, and the couple later died in a plane accident in Chile. Now, the Australian laws grant no rights to the to frozen embryos and local officials were believed to have the right to destroy them, but have refrained from doing so. To add a little more became more complicated because Mr. Rios had previously been able to, had a previous wife and they were able to conceive, and he had daughters from previous marriage or two children from previous marriage, who argued that if the frozen embryos in Melbourne, were implanted in a woman who was willing to lend her womb, just to carry to turn, that they would then have half siblings who could make claims on an inheritance. That was sizable. Now, that's all extra dressing to complicate the case, which you don't really need to know. The case is difficult enough as it is. So if the Australians had permission to destroy the frozen embryos didn't want to and legal issues going on in the United States about what should be done with them. This then becomes sort of a free for all that forces us to recognize that the courts are increasingly being drawn into questions of decisions concerning surrogacy, and the courts don't have the experience. None of us have the experience to make these decisions. One of the reasons that these talks are put in this whole issue to bring up as good as it provides us an opportunity to question what we mean by family, to reflect on what are the basic variables for family and how modifying any of those pieces either does or does not affect what we consider a family. But the law being drawn into it makes it very difficult. Sandra Garcia has written extensively about the law and surrogacy. And I wanna read you a couple of her points and pardon the language because it's kind of jarring, a little disconcerting to hear. What she's talking about are some of the legal confusions that arise under surrogacy, and she's a lawyer and she couches them as the lawyer might. The first one is under what is any circumstances may a buyer and forgive the legal ease, but we're really talking about sales contract law, may a buyer an infertile couple refuse to accept the baby because of a patent defect. We don't like to think of our children this way. And yet, the more we turn it over to the courts, the more it's going to be phrased in these terms, without turning it over to the court, there are all kinds of difficulties. Second one is how long after the initial inspection does the bind couple have to revoke acceptance of the child upon discovering a latent defect? I would not wanna begin to measure these, I would not want to work them out. Three years, who will take the baby upon death or divorce of the infertile couple before the baby is delivered? What happens if you can track to have a child once a surrogate and a couple in the process decides they're not interested, they get divorced, and they say they really don't want this baby after all. What happens? Four is, one liability rests with a surrogate mother for genetic defects that she's passed on to the child where she knew or should have known. Four distinction, that she carry the genetic material that resulted in the defect and cause the infertile couple to reject the child. Now you're seeing something akin to this right now you've seen this when you're talking about maternal responsibility in terms of health care while you're pregnant, in terms of drugs, in terms of, for instance, heroin and crap, very strongly seeing this kind of thing translated. It becomes more complicated when you realize that in most surrogacy arrangements, there is no genetic counseling done. No one knows. The last one that Garcia raises is what responsibility does the state have? Does the State have to accept and care for children who are rejected by parties to serve at contracts? What happens if you get a boy and you really wanted a girl? Do you say no take it back? These are some of the questions that come up from the lawyer point of view. Now, in getting ready to come here, I started trying to find out how many states right now have bills pending? I looked at my own state, if Florida for a while had two bills pending. One that would make it illegal, would ban it entirely, and the other one would open it up and make it completely laissez faire. I don't like that. I mean, that gives you full range of options right? That I found that there are at the moment 70 bills seeking to ban regulate or study surrogacy in 27 states including New York. In Congress, three bills have been introduced. One would ban the practice, one would forbid federal enforcement of the contracts, these are separate issues. And the third one seems absolutely typical of the government, it says it would bar the use of federal funds and helping veterans form families through surrogacy. 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Annas","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112071#t=1700.9,1704.03"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112071/transcript/25089/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that surrogacy does tend to promote the exploitation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112071#t=1704.03,1707.88"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112071/transcript/25089/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of poor women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112071#t=1707.88,1709.24"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112071/transcript/25089/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And with out a doubt it exploits infertile couples","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112071#t=1709.24,1712.58"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/112071/transcript/25089/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and maybe it also dehumanizes 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Whether or not the contracts are enforceable. 21 bills in other States want to either ban it. Or if they don't ban it, the alternative is to impose severe sanctions on the surrogate. Which essentially is saying you contract for this and if you change your mind, we are going to take away everything you own. We're gonna do this or that or the other. Very punitive for the surrogate. Florida right now has one that bans surrogate for a fee. They will not allow commercial surrogacy, which raises other kinds of questions. Do you think if you ban surrogacy, it's gonna go away, I don't. Do you think if you ban payment for services, it's gonna go away, I don't. I think it'll come around corners and other kinds of ways. Wisconsin, which is where I'm from has bills waiting that will make it extremely difficult for a surrogate to change her mind. So that there's sort of a tendency that this is allowable. We'll make the contracts hard and fast. And if a woman is unable to give up her child, then we will make it very, very difficult for her to survive. Which is why with one of the three issues that I raised at the very beginning, the redefinition of maternal rights. There is no other situation that I know of in the United States law that has defined the inability for mothers to have contact with their children when it's not based on competency. As did surrogate for Mary Beth Whitehead, when he said, I'm sorry, you're really not her mother. Of course then the New Jersey Supreme court came back and said yes, you are her mother. So that one becomes very complicated. Pennsylvania has two bills pending. One saying they can do it, and another one saying they can't do it. So the legal issues become extremely problematic. The moral and ethical issues are I believe very much intertwined with social issues. With how we define rights, how we define obligations. Who has these rights and whose rights take precedence. One of the things that's so difficult with dealing with surrogacy is it requires an arbitrary and artificial conceptual separation between social roles and biology, between pregnancy and parenting. Furthermore, it requests of us that we be able to anticipate our emotional responses to very primary experiences long before we get into them. When you look at the individuals who are affected by surrogacy, it is difficult to imagine that their lives are not heavily influenced. Think about them for a minute. That genetic father for instance, what happens to him? Regardless of who he is. And there's really been very little study on the men who choose to become fathers through surrogacy. There's been very little analysis of who these people are. One can only hypothesize it. There are people who have a serious commitment and investment to seeing their own genetic line continued. It must be extremely difficult for them to give of themselves, see their own child being created and know that there is a possibility that their child will always be lost to them. That this child that they chose, they desired and they waited for it's a possibility that they will not have that child. That's the child will be taken by somebody else, by the surrogate mother. That's a very difficult situation. The person about whom we hear the most is the gestating or surrogate mother. What do we know about her? She is a woman who is defined by two characteristics. She's defined by her fertility and she's defined by her socioeconomic class. Women who are rich don't hire out for surrogacy, right. They might do it 'cause they love somebody very much and wish to give them this but they don't hire out. When you hire out for surrogacy, you relinquished tremendous controls over your life. The doctor's appointments, the schedules, all of this. Although there is some variation in contract, most contracts that I've seen for surrogacy require that the surrogate relinquish her ability to make those decisions independent of the family and the broker. That is the physician is chosen by the broker. the lawyer is chosen by the broker. If there's a psychologist he or she is chosen by the broker. And in many if not all, if the genetic or contractual father decides that the surrogate mother should have an abortion, she would be forced to have an abortion. Now, that sounds extreme. But let us say that amniocentesis sonogram, something is done and the results are not good. And the father may request require and demand that a woman aboard this child. The emotional elements of this and the ethical elements and the moral elements are very complicated. If you believe that contracts and rules determine your behavior, then you say if you go along with that, that's right. On the other hand if you believe that people change in process and that the process of coming to conclusion is critical. Then you have to come up with a different conclusion. The social mother, another woman who was involved, what do you know about her? Other than the Mrs. Stern, you never hear about the social mother. You never hear about her, nor do you read about her in the contract. She doesn't exist. She is not in the contract. The contract is between the surrogate mother and the contractual father. And yet just from what you know about life, what is she gonna do? She's gonna be involved with this child at all? Of course she is. In all likelihood, she's gonna do a lot of the raising of this child. What's going to happen? I don't know, but I question. Is it possible that she's gonna feel kind of funny about raising a child that is not hers? How many of you have raised children that aren't yours? You may move hands. None of you have raised children that aren't yours. I raised a child that's not mine, I have two stepdaughters. None of you do. Thank you, I want some audience participation, okay. When you raise a child that's not yours, they're whole pieces of stuff that happen, right. If it is a child you adopt, you and your wife adopt. Then both of you start off that same place with this child. If it's a child that in my case, my husband was married before and had two children. Well, I knew I got them when I got him. I mean, that was a choice. And I know that his relationship to them is different than mine. That's all figured out. What happens when you get a brand new baby, it's new to both of you. But is related to one of you and not related to the other one of you. What if the baby looks just like the surrogate mother. Now, I mean these are just questions but what happens. How does a person respond? How does a child respond? I'm convinced that things happen. I'm convinced that all of this is different than what we have experienced before. I'm convinced that raising a surrogate child is different than raising an adopted child or a stepchild. There may be some similarities. The closest similarity we can probably go is with artificial insemination by donor. Where and this is very common actually, where an infertile male or infertile husband will have... His wife can be fertilized by in-vitro fertilization or AID fertilization with a donor. People say this is very similar but it's different. It's different on counts. One count is between a couple, if the wife and husband choose artificial insemination by donor, no one in the world has to know. She becomes pregnant, right. She looks pregnant, there's a pregnancy that progresses. Most people assume that that's the husband's child. Few of you probably would go up to your friend when they announce that the wife is pregnant and say is it yours? Few of us would do that. And yet and the studies on AID children go back 20, 25 years. Some great stuff out of England by a researcher named Snowden. And Snowden has this marvelous quote in there. And he says, after interviewing people he was very concerned. He said to husbands and wives, \"Does having an AID child in any way influence the way you feel about it.\" And when the couple was interviewed separately on overwhelming majority of the women said. Well, when the child acts up, I try to keep the child away from my husband. Because after all it really isn't his. And when the child is really bad, I just try to buffer the two of them. That's disequilibrium that's powerful. The husband, one has been in particular said. No, that it makes no difference to him. This child has always been his child and raised his child and everything else. He says, but you know when they get into adolescence and the bloom goes up so to speak. One hopes that one has the strength and stability to weather it all and not turn around someday and say, you're not mine, I had nothing to do with you. Which would be absolutely devastating. And that's in a situation where for all external views, the child was a couples. The internal view is different. Now, we don't have that data on surrogate born children. We simply don't know. They haven't been public long enough and they haven't been in the domain. So we don't know. We have no idea what it feels like to be born to a surrogate mother. We don't know whether that means that they will search for their birth mothers. We don't know whether they will be told whether or not they are born through surrogacy. We don't know how many surrogate parents will tell their children. Now there's some research by Laster that suggests that children born through surrogacy. Their parents are counseled to tell their children that they were born through surrogacy. To provide them with honesty with this very important issue. And because they may be interested in their genetic background and that they should have access to that. So in surrogacy unlike AID, they are counseled for openness. Traditionally artificial insemination, people have been counseled to keep it private. And any kind of secret makes it difficult. So we don't know exactly how children born of surrogacy are going to be raised. And we certainly don't know what happens when a child is born through surrogate parents where they don't wanna give her up or him up. We don't know what's gonna happen there. We don't know what happens to husbands of surrogates. I talked to a class one time and they were mainly college kids. And we kind of rocked through all of this. I was thinking about it. And I asked if there were any married couples, young married couples in the audience. One couple put up their hands. And I said to the young male, are you going to school right now? And he said, yes. And he said that his wife actually was working to put him through school. And he was struggling to go through school. I said, well, how would you feel if she came back and said I got the solution to our income problems. I don't have to work and you don't have to work part time. I'll be a surrogate and I'll get $10,000, and your college we paid for. And he looked absolutely ashen. He looked at her and you could see him thinking, I don't want you doing that. It's one thing when we say, well, it's all right out there. But what does it do when we start thinking about the people, the individuals involved. In this case, I was actually thinking about the husband. What does it feel like to be the husband of a surrogate? Because that leads me to the next question. Which is what is it like to be the child of a family of a couple whose mother then becomes a surrogate mother. That is, what is it like to be a child growing up while your mother is pregnant with a child she's going to give away. Now that's gotta be a little tough. Pregnancy is very visible. It takes considerable number of months and weeks and it is very much part of your family life. Any of you who've ever either been pregnant, seen pregnant or anything else know that that's something you don't ignore. One of the children of a surrogate mother. That is she is a child who was 10 when their mother became a surrogate mother said to her afterwards. Mommy, if I'm bad, will you give me a way too. I think this is terrifying stuff. And I don't mean that surrogacy is bad. What's terrifying is our not thinking very carefully about how this process can influence the lives of not only the surrogate and the contracting parents, but the whole group. And I don't even talk about grandparents. And grandparents are also people who are involved and who have rights to see their grandchildren. And grandparents have more recently in the last 10 years argued for rights if their son and his wife get divorced and his wife takes the kids and moves to Timbuktu, the grandparents may want to see them someday. Do grandparents have rights over surrogate children? Well, I don't know. And if you can answer that one you're doing real well. So the social participants of surrogacy are greatly influenced and with great difficultly influenced by what goes on. Now, I began by saying that there were three issues. One is the legal issue. And another is the redefinition of motherhood and maternal rights. And then the last one is ethical issues and the moral issues and who decides those? Well, in essence they are certainly decided individually. And in individuals as groups. And groups as members of society. And as members of society as part of cultures. And sooner or later it gets back to each of us do influence the people who make the laws and legislate how this will turn out. People ask me, what do I think we should do about surrogacy? Should we ban it? Should we make it illegal? Should we penalize everyone involved? Well, there are a number of different options. One option is what the United Kingdom has done. They've banned it. And if you wanna show those slides right now, we'll kind of finish up with the slides.\r\n\r\n- Joe, could put the light on here.\r\n\r\n- Sure\r\n\r\n- I raise what I think are painful and difficult issues about surrogacy 'cause I think that's what I ought to do. But I wanna also show you some nice things. This is a surrogate mother and her child. This is not a surrogate born child this is a child that she had with her husband before she became a surrogate. And they look like very nice people. She was so sick with this child during the pregnancy that she had to be hospitalized three different times. Why someone who was so sick during pregnancy, that she required hospitalization because of life-threatening conditions to herself and to her fetus would choose to do it again I don't know. She said that she did it because she loved being pregnant and she wanted to give them gift of life to somebody else. Could you do the next slide? This is another couple who shows a surrogate, the surrogacy up to a young couple. She had a series of illnesses that made it impossible for her to conceive. She grew up in a large family of I think five or six kids. Pat was the eldest and always taking care of the children and always assumed that she would have children. She had grown up with an image of herself as a mother, and that was absolutely critical to her identity. After her illness, it became clear that she would never be able to conceive. And they decided that what they really wanted to do was go the surrogacy route. They did succeed and have a child and are extremely happy. And they say that surrogacy made all the difference in their lives. That for them adopting a child would not have been the same, that they would not have been as happy, that surrogacy changed and saved their lives. Next one. This is another couple who chose surrogacy. And this is their surrogate born son, a very similar kind of story. Being unable to conceive and finding surrogacy as a possible option. And they look like normal nice people. And it's important to show you this. Okay, next picture. This is a couple, some of these you may have seen. These are photographs taken from national magazines. These are not people that I'm showing you and not chosen to be shown. This a couple who had two children and liked them a lot, found them wonderful. The children grew up, went away to college and they decided that they wanted more of them. The wife was post-menopausal and unable to have children. So they contracted with a surrogate to have two more children. And they like the other people said that surrogacy is the most wonderful thing in the world. Okay, next one. Now, I don't show you pictures of the women who say that surrogacy is the most horrible thing in my life and I will not give up this child for anything. I don't show you the pictures of women who are in court battles over surrogacy, because I feel that they are in enough pain and don't need to be used as examples. The couple of following statements are from the Warnock commission, which is the commission in Great Britain in 1984, that was established to consider recent. This is a quote, \"Recent and potential developments in medicine and science related to human fertilization and embryology. To consider what policies and safeguards should be applied, including consideration of social ethical and legal implications of the development and to make recommendations.\" It was chaired by Dame Mary Warnock, and hence it's name. They have, I don't know how many, they've got 63 and I'm not gonna give you all 63 recommendations. But as you can see they begin or I begin with this. Is legislation proposed should cover children born following embryo donation. They're trying to carefully distinguish between different types. Can you do the next one. This one legislation should provide that when a child is born to a woman following donation of another's egg, the woman giving birth should for all purposes be regarded in law as the mother of that child and the egg donor should have no rights or obligations in respect to that child. It is very clear here is they're trying to set it up so there's no question of mother. Mother is the one that gives birth. The other things are well critical are not as primary. Okay, the next one. The last one I think is legislation should be introduced to render criminal the creation or operation in the United States of agencies whose purpose include the recruitment of women for surrogate pregnancy or making arrangements for individuals or couples who wish to utilize the services of a caring mother. Such legislation should be wide enough to include both profit and non-profit making organizations. This was about in direct response to the exportation from the United States of surrogacy. Surrogacy exists in England and has forever. It exists quietly and it exists between generally sisters, cousins. A case that you're familiar with from South Africa, for mother and her daughter. And I wonder in that case, where does the husband fit in. What's his relationship to his mother-in-law now? I leave that to your imagination. This was very much in response to the United States agencies located in the United States, went to Great Britain and hired English girls to be surrogates. England did not like that at all. Now, It can be questioned whether or not they didn't like it because of the moral and ethical and social implications of the activity or whether it was because it was important from the United States. And I'm sure that the latter of the two had a great deal of importance in determining their decision. They followed this recommendation and banned all surrogacy. Not only nonprofit and not only commercial, but nonprofit, they banned all surrogacy. West Germany banned all surrogacy and Australia has banned all surrogacy. And now Louisiana. The ban in Great Britain occurred two years ago. And since then there have been a number of articles in places such as the Hasting Center report that questioned whether or not the ban was not only hasty, but ill conceived that the ban may have made it more difficult for any sort of safeguards to exist. That what it has done is forced those people who want to have a child through surrogacy to do it without any of the protections for anyone. Now, I would argue that the protections are minuscule at best. At worst, they're horrible. But no protections may make it even worse. I don't know if Great Britain is considering modifying the ban, but we are in the United States sort of at this point right now. We're at a point where people are discussing what we should do with it. Whether we should ban it or whether we should only ban some of it or only ban it some of the time, or only ban it for some of the people. And I think that probably the solution is going to be hard to find. My own recommendation at the end of a talk like this is that we shouldn't ban it. You can turn that off now. We shouldn't ban it, thank you. Because I think then it will simply continue, but without any sort of safe guards or any sort of regulation. Not sure that safeguards exist. So that banning doesn't solve it. But I think that what we should do minimally is that we should pay the women who are involved in surrogacy a living wage, I mean a real decent wage. I mean, we ought to pay then if not hourly, we ought to pay them on a monthly wage. I mean, make it a job. Make it clear that that's what it is and make it a job. make it decent, make it something that you're not only using very poor women for. Try to remove the class bias. But the other thing that is more critical it seems to me, is to provide a grace period. A grace period during which the surrogate mother may refuse to give up the child. Now, this does not include a grace period for the contractual father. Because of the difference in the relationship, in that the contractual father has sought out this relationship. The surrogate mother is performing a job. Yet by the nature of pregnancy, there is an involvement between the fetus and the woman carrying it. That is different from donating sperm. And I am a great believer in equal rights. And I would be very loathed to suggest that women should get special rights with motherhood that men don't with fatherhood. I suggest that sperm donation is not fatherhood and that's where I make the difference. So that women who become surrogate mothers should have a grace period during which they can choose not to give up the child. Now, that doesn't solve a whole series of other problems. Like what happens if everybody was refuses the child. But it does it seems to me suggest that people would be very reluctant to enter into a relationship where they didn't know whether or not they were going to get the child in the end. I think we would give some more careful thought to it perhaps with that. Now, however we think about surrogacy, I think we have to agree with George Annas who writes that with at least 800 surrogate produced children already born and another, I don't know. Probably another 300 maybe more due this year, that whether or not we agree with Annas who writes. \"The commercial surrogacy promotes the exploitation of women and infertile couples and the dehumanization of babies. We can no longer ignore it.\" And I use this kind of exercise in thinking about it. Not to solve the question about surrogacy, but to look at what it says to us about who we think the family is and what we think our primary relationships and what we think we should as a society safeguard in human relationships. And I think I probably agree with Annas that surrogacy does tend to promote the exploitation of poor women. And with out a doubt it exploits infertile couples and maybe it also dehumanizes babies. 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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939/transcript/69082/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e I would argue that either sperm donation or egg donation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939#t=5.45,9.179"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939/transcript/69082/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are basically the same 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woman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939#t=13.199,15.99"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939/transcript/69082/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"during her pregnancy that makes it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939#t=15.99,17.839"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939/transcript/69082/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, their involvement with the 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occurring","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939#t=33.289,36.14"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939/transcript/69082/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then womb implantation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939#t=36.14,38.439"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40458/file/247939/transcript/69082/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then the child is given to somebody 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