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Professor of art and education at Stanford University. This lecture is sponsored by the departments of art and design, the departments of music. Department of physical education. The college of design. The college of education. The graduate college and the ISU committee on lectures. As you can see from the list that I have just given you, Dr. Eisner has a wide appeal across departments and throughout the educational community. Dr. Eisner has degrees from Roosevelt University, Illinois University of Technology the institute of Design and the University of Chicago. His veto lists over 200 invited papers and lectures in the last 20 years throughout the world. He has many publications to his credit. The most recent is a book, \"Cognition and curriculum. A basis for deciding what to teach.\" He has held many offices and in educational organizations. And is on the editorial board of numerous professional publications. And on the governing board of several regional and national educational professional organizations. It seems to me, in meeting Dr. Eisner, that he is a man for many areas of education. And I think that the wide variety of disciplines represented in this audience would attest to that. And as I've watched him through today and seminars and meetings with teachers and faculty at the university, I have seen him form and shape his message to convey to those who see him the importance of the arts and the importance of thinking for the curriculum. At the conclusion of his lecture, Dr. Eisner has asked me to announce that he would be pleased to take questions. And following the lecture, there will be a reception for Dr. Eisner in the lobby outside the recital hall. And that reception is sponsored by the department of art and design and the art education club of the department. I now give you Dr. Elliot Eisner.\r\n\r\n- [Elliot] Thank you, Dennis for the warm introduction. This is my first trip to Ames, Iowa. And I must say, walking through the campus and looking at the rolling hills, the old buildings, some of the new buildings and the Grant Wood murals, really helps me understand what the heartland of America means. Even though I was born and raised in Chicago. In some way this is really where the center of the country is. And I'm pleased that I was asked to come to spend a couple of days here and to talk with you about a topic that's very close to my heart. And about which I've been doing some serious thinking over the past few years. By the way, can you hear me in the back? I'm coming through? Okay, that's fine. Cause this mic doesn't work except for the audio person and he's picking that up. The last time I asked if my audience could hear me in the back. There was a gentleman in the back who indicated that he could not. And there was a gentleman in the front who indicated that he could and he would change places with the guy. So I don't know. I do wanna talk with you about the arts and the development of thinking and the role of the arts in education. And I'm going to present a paper that I have worked on long and hard. And I really do hope that afterwards that you will raise the questions that you want to raise so that we can have a less formal relationship. So with that as an introduction, let me just sally forth into the ideas that I wanna share. The primacy of language in human thinking, by which I mean the use of words and sentences, is virtually an article of faith in American educational psychology. It's almost central in American philosophy. To think is to reason. And to reason is to use language. And language in turn refers to what we do when we speak and when we write. Language has a vocabulary, a syntax and is referenced in some measure to the world that we inhabit. It is as Suzanne Langer has told us, our most precise and reliable means of communication. It's the very stuff that distinguishes man from beast. To think, in short, is to engage in a type of inner speech. Thus thinking and using words enjoy a reciprocal relationship. Consider for example what one student of language has had to say about the relationship of language to thought. And I wanna quote. He says, \"When we adopt a monistic standpoint, we reject the claim that language and thinking can exist separately and independently of one another. Of course, we're talking specifically about human thinking. In other words about conceptual thinking. Thus we assert that in the process of cognition and communication, thinking and using a language are inseparable elements of one and the same whole. The integration is so perfect and the interdependence is so precise that neither element can ever occur independently in a pure form. That is precisely why the functions of thinking and language may not be treated separately. Let alone contrasted with one another.\" Unquote. Adam Schaff, the author of that passage, is not without company. Even so broad gauged philosopher as Ernest Kosir regarded language as a necessary mediator of a substantial if not the sole mediator of thought. \"In language and myth,\" Kosir writes, \"all the concepts of theoretical knowledge constitute merely an upper stratum of logic which is founded upon a lower stratum, that of the logic of language. Before the intellectual work of conceiving and understanding of phenomena conception, the work of naming must have preceded it and have reached a certain point of elaboration. For it is this process which transforms the world of sense impression which animals also possess, into a mental world. A world of ideas and meanings. All theoretical cognition takes its departure from a world already preformed by language. The scientist, the historian, even the philosopher lives in his object only as language presents them to him.\" Unquote. The identification of language with the use of words and words with thinking has of course undermined the place of the arts in education and has relegated arts activities to matters of aspect rather than thought. Arts educators are thought to provide children with opportunities for self expression, not for intellectual development. Since the intellectual development of children is a major aim of schooling, the arts can only serve as handmaidens or as release valves that might enable teachers to achieve their more important aims. Given this view of arts education, there is no way in which it can be assigned an important place in an institution in which intellectual activities are given ultimate priority. As long as the arts are seen as non-cognitive, they are destined to remain on the sidelines rather than in the center of educational activity within the school. Now, what I wish to do in this paper is to lay out an argument for the cognitive status of the arts. Not in an attempt to justify the arts on grounds that pertain to other fields but because I believe that the cognitive character of the arts ought to be recognized. I wish also to challenge those who argue the primacy of language and thinking and to argue on the contrary that language itself depends upon the non-linguistic in order to be meaningful. I wish to argue that psychologists who put language at the center of the knowing human have it upside down. Language is a surrogate for what is itself non-linguistic. So basically, the argument that I'm gonna try to develop in this paper is that in effect both Kosir and Adam Schaff who I quoted are misguided in their belief that thinking requires the use of language. I want to argue on the other way around namely that language itself requires the use of thinking. And the kind of thinking that it requires is a form of thinking which itself is non-linguistic. Now, what does it mean to claim that the arts are cognitive in character? That they do not exist outside of thought? That language as conventionally defined depends upon the non-linguistic for meaning? To answer these questions we must start with an apparent detour. We must start with the mechanisms through which we come in contact with a qualitative environment in which we live. These mechanisms are of course the senses. The senses are biologically given information pick up systems that are non-redundant in character. Now, by non-redundant I mean that they're designed to pick up some but not all of the qualities that constitute the environment in and through which we live. The information that each of the senses provides is not duplicated by any other sense. For example, the capacity to see. No matter how well developed will not duplicate the information that the nose provides. The capacity to hear does not provide information picked up through our capacity to feel. It is in this regard that the senses are qualitatively specific and non-redundant. If one of the senses is congenitally impaired, the information that we will be able to construe from it will be impaired or limited. If a particular sensory system is congenitally non-functional, the ability to experience that aspect of the qualitative world to which it would have been sensitive does not exist. In this sense we come to know the features of our world. Because these features possess qualities that we are biologically able to experience. When those biologically given systems are fully functioning, our capacity to have experience is optimized. So, we live in a qualitative universe. In a qualitative world. A world of smells, of tastes, of sounds. Things that we can touch and experience and things that we can see. And we have biological apparatus. We have a sensory system that enables us to, if you will, read or experience these qualities that the world is made of. But the gap between capacity, our capacity to do this and ability is often a wide one. Capacity defines what in principle as a potentiality we are able to do. Ability defines our competence at any particular point in time. Thus for example, a healthy 20 year-old might have the capacity to ski but not have the ability to ski. While a blind person does not have the capacity to see. Not ski, see. And therefore cannot have the ability to do so. So, we have capacities for which we do not have abilities. But we have no abilities for which we do not have capacities. Capacity defines the what is potentially developable in a human being. Capacities however, do not develop into abilities simply as an automatic consequence of maturation. Abilities develop on the average in relation to the opportunities the culture provides individuals to develop them. With respect to the senses, are developed capacities to experience qualitative nuances. For example, in the empirical world are a function of the availability in the culture of particular qualities. Now, by that I mean that if we live in a culture in which there is a great deal of music available, it is likely that our ability to learn to hear music will be far greater than the converse. If we live in a culture where music is not much available or if it were never available at all we would have a difficult time hearing music if we were to encounter music all of a sudden. It is also a function, that is this ability to experience these qualities. Is also a function of the frames of reference one brings to the empirical world. And it is a function perhaps most of all, of the degree to which each of the senses is differentiated. Art education in particular and arts educators in general have a special interest in differentiating the sensory abilities of individuals. When those abilities, call them sensory intelligence if you like, are well differentiated, the qualities to be experienced and the qualities to be experienced available and an interest in experiencing those qualities is high. The amount of new information an individual is able to secure from that aspect of the world is increased. So we have these sensory capacities. We can develop them through a process of differentiation. Increasingly, as a youngster, as an individual living in a culture has access to a certain array of qualities. And the greater the access the higher the likelihood that these capacities will be transformed into abilities. The ability to experience subtle qualities or for that matter not so subtle qualities, is a precondition for the formulation of concepts. To form a concept is not to name something. It is to have abstracted from an array of qualities, a set of features that they share. It is to construct an image that gives any word standing for that image meaning. We see this perhaps most clearly when young children abstract the size, four-footed furry characteristics of both cats and dogs and call both of them dog. Only later as differentiation increases are more subtle differentiated conceptions constructed and the appropriate words attached to them. So the argument here is that what concepts are, and we use that term a lot in education. What concepts are, are not what we usually think they are. Because we usually think that concepts are things like words that we somehow learn to use. The word is simply a vehicle that refers to a concept. The concept itself is an image. Not necessarily a visual image. But an image that we have abstracted from a set of particular qualities that we have encountered in the qualitative world in which we live. While this process seems obvious for qualities in the material universe, it doesn't apply as well to ideas that we regard supposedly as abstract ideas. Such as category justice, negative number, infinity. I believe the process is almost precisely the same. I say almost because in the case of young children confounding cats and dogs, the qualities to be experienced were already in the empirical world and needed only to be recalled. Abstracted and recalled. But humans not only have the capacity to recall what they have experienced. They also have the capacity to manipulate what has been experienced in order to create images that one could never find in the empirical world itself. We call this capacity, imagination. Imagination whose root term is image, the central term in imagination is image. Allows us to create new forms that we can later name. Hence, the concept of infinity is the result of an imaginative extrapolation of our experience of distance. When a child does not understand what infinity means we help him form the concept. And the concept is the image, through examples. That is if most of you or some of you are teachers. If a youngster doesn't understand the concept, what do you do? You provide an example. And if he doesn't grasp the example you provide another example. But what you do is you provide, if you will, concrete experiences that are designed to help him get the image which is going to be attached to a name. In this case, what we're talking about is the idea or the concept of infinity. The term infinity. Let me put it to you this way. If you are working with a group of kids and let's say they're seven or eight or nine years-old and you want them to, you're trying to help them understand infinity. Well, it's only a word. And how would you go about doing that? I mean, what would you do to help a group of kids grasp the meaning of that noise we call infinity? Well, there are a few things that you might do. You might take those youngsters on a long street with no cars, I hope. And if it was a really long street straight down, you'd have them look at it. And it would keep on going down and down and down. And you'd probably want to get them to imagine if that street went on forever and it got smaller and smaller and kept on going. That would refer to the meaning of infinity. Or if you took those youngsters and you took two full length mirrors and you put them side by side. And put the youngster between those mirrors and they looked at the infinite regress that took place within those mirrors. And they got the idea of infinity that way. That would be all rights. Two, it's something that continues, you might say forever. And those would be two vehicles through exemplification that would make the word infinity meaningful. It is meaningful because they would have an image of the concept. In fact, they would have the concept because to have the concept is to have an image of it. There was a woman, a person teaching who was trying to explain the meaning of infinity to a group of kids. And she didn't succeed with one youngster and he didn't grasp it. And the next day he did come back and he told her that he did finally get it. Now he understood what infinity meant. And she asked him to explain to her what it was. And the youngster said that, well, infinity was what you had on the box of Aunt Jemima pancakes. And she was really puzzled about that. And she said, \"Well, what are you talking about?\" He said, \"Well, you know, on the box of Aunt Jemima pancakes, there's a picture of Aunt Jemima. And Aunt Jemima is holding a box of Aunt Jemima pancakes on which there is a picture of Aunt Jemima holding a box of Aunt Jemima pancakes on which there is a box. And so, he got the idea. I mean, he saw the infinite regress in that example. And so he had a meaningful conception of the noise and I say noise simply to highlight the fact that words are noises that are meaningful when in some way they can be imagined. Indeed, we can have no sense of what a word means unless we are able if even only vaguely to imagine its referent. And given this view, concept formation is not primarily a function of speech or of words but is due to our intellectual ability to form qualitative abstractions. The term qualitative abstraction appears to be something of a curiosity because it's long been argued in philosophy that abstractions were somehow denuded of empirical content. Concepts were to be regarded as general, not particular. Abstract, not concrete. Hence, the more ideas were tied to the qualities of the empirical world, the less reliable they were in the less abstract. And it is this view of you that is still pervasive. And thinking about thinking that is so mischievous and I believe so psychologically faulty. Now to argue that is I have that language is a surrogate for the image is not to suggest that thinking invariably requires the transformation of words to images in order for language to be meaningful. In the first place, when I say that language is a surrogate for the image I am referring specifically to the semantic dimension of language. There may very well be deeply programmed, syntactical networks that enable humans to construct linguistic relationships that yield meaning. But meaning depends upon the human's ability to imaginatively conceive of something. Thought must have a subject matter. Or to recall or to perceive directly the qualities to which the language refers. Even in the most so called abstract disciplines, visual models are constructed which are later formally articulated. The construction of such models have more than one rather obvious utility. Language itself is temporal. Ideas must be represented in a time sequence while visual models present a spatial set of relationships that can be grasped at once. Furthermore, the relationships need not only be two dimensional. They can be represented in three dimensions as well. For complex structures, such as the structures we are able to form in the mind. Such models have important advantages. Roger Shepard points out that throughout the history of science for example, scientists have acknowledged the central role. Such images have played in the creation of their most important work. And you can read scientists and mathematicians. People like Poincaré and Einstein who have in their biographies described the very important role that images have played in the construction of their theoretical notions. In fact, Einstein says that the image really comes first. Physiological response comes first. It systematized later. It's put into a symbol system that is a conventional system later. But the initial realization is a visual one. And that is a basic issue that I am arguing in this paper. And that idea has, it seems to me enormous implications for what we do in education. Because if we're concerned with developing people who are conceptually sophisticated, then it's terribly important that we develop the kind of sensory intelligence that will allow for concept formation to take place so that when language is used, it can refer to something. And the more novel the concept, the more useful the concept. The more likely the kind of work that that individual is able to do will be productive. Will be creative. Will be something other than routine or humdrum. Now, as far as the syntactical nature of the mind is concerned, I suspect that the operations that affects the way in which we produce, store and retrieve language has its analog in those forms that are less formally structured. Such as the visual and the auditory. In fact, the work of the early Gestalt psychologists, Wertheimer, Kohler and Kaffka, was aimed precisely at illuminating the grammar of the image. In some sense, the semi editions of the present era are attempting to discover the logic of vernacular life. The need for regularity may be biologically driven. But we must not forget that in our search for orderliness, the need for surprise and arousal may be equally as important. So, I hope it is clear that the connection I am drawing between the senses and the mind is a unified one. There can be no minding without sensing. Indeed, even stated this way it is badly put. The senses are a part of what the mind is. To have a conception of something one must have some sense of its image. This image need not be visual. Images are formed in each of the senses we have learned to use. They are at the forefront of our thinking. As Broski put it, the hand is the cutting edge of the mind. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. The fact that we pick up information that provides the resources, the stuff with which we think. Now it is revealing that in our vernacular speech and in our metaphors, we in fact recognize the centrality of the image in cognition. While in psychology and particularly in educational psychology, we tend to assign the image of marginal position in cognition. Consider the term intuition. Intuition. It's Latin root is intuitive which means to look upon. To have an intuition is to see something that was not seen before. Or put differently, it is to have an insight. We commonly say, \"Can you shed some light on this?\" Or, \"It finally dawned upon me.\" Or, \"Now I see.\" Or, \"I just got a bright idea.\" And one could go on. But I hope the point is made. In our vernacular speech, we recognize the sensuality of the image. And it's well past the time when those of us in education caught up with the wisdom of our vernacular life. We also say, \"Can you make sense of this?\" Now thus far, the argument has attempted to articulate the central cognitive role the senses perform in the construction of images of concepts. These concepts are the offspring of an inventive mind that seeks regularity in a changing environment. Orderliness and the pleasure of recognition are motive forces in concept formation. And concept formation is a fundamental cognitive event to the extent to which teachers of art help the young experience what they would not have seen of the qualitative world without their assistance. The teacher of art and teachers of the arts make a significant contribution to the development. Or as I will later argue, to the invention of mind. And I guess I'll mention that point right now. In a sense, I am arguing that minds are invented. Minds are made and that school programs are the places one of the important places in which minds are made. They're not made like Eli Whitney made the cotton gin. Or Edison, the light bulb. But they are shaped. They are formed. They are developed through the kind of life and the kind of thinking that youngsters are afforded in school and in the culture in which they live. And to the extent to which we shape that culture intentionally as educators and as parents. We also shape the sorts of thinking and therefore the kind of mind that youngsters can come to own. But the formulation of concepts through a differentiated sensory system is only one side of the coin. Human beings are social creatures. We have a need to share our ideas with each other and to present those ideas to ourselves in some external fashion. Language is one of the major means through which such sharing takes place. But it is only one. How is it that we externalize what is inside our heads? How do we create an equivalence in the public world for ideas held in the private world? If we look at the culture in which we live, we get some cues. Our culture indeed, all of the cultures we know make available to its members a variety of vehicles through which conception becomes a representation. This variety, what I call forms of representation. Forms of representation. Are not the various disciplines that constitute University faculties. But rather the sensory vehicle through which conceptions are given public status. What are those sensory vehicles? They are precisely the pattern forms that can be picked up by the senses. They are visual form, auditory form, tactile form and so forth and their combinations. When formalized and given a special terminology, we call them visual arts, music, dance, mathematics, speech, text and the like. Now, please note that the forms through which conceptions are represented are themselves sensory qualities. They may be categorized into the various academic disciplines. But such categorizations focus more on the terms or vocabulary of the discipline and its subject matter than upon the forms through which the conceptions are represented. For example, to convey an idea visually is radically different than to convey it as an auditory form or to describe it through verbal language. To use a dynamic form of representation. One that literally moves, dance, for example, to express a conception requires different skills and provides different information than if the same conception, and it can't be the same conception, is to be represented in a static visual form. Indeed, as Rudolf Arnheim has pointed out, some conceptions are extremely difficult to represent in some forms while others can be easily represented. If you take suspense, for example. Each of us here if I use the English word suspense, you have an image of what it means. If I use the word platter turkey, you have no image of what it means except maybe the combination of turkey and platter and I'd be interested in what that image looks like. But it doesn't mean anything 'cause I just made up that word just a quarter of a second ago. But when I say suspense, you do have an image. Now if I asked you to take that conception or that image, suspense, and to represent it visually, you would have the dickens of the time doing it. If I asked you to represent which sound is as contrasted with one which is spatial which visual art or visual form is. So that some forms of representation lend themselves to representing conceptions in some areas better than other forms of representation do. In emphasizing the saliency of one sensory dimension to a particular form of representation, I have oversimplified the case. In fact, forms of representation are usually multi-sensory in character. Although it's often the case that one sensory modality or quality may be dominant. Language, for example, may be referenced in the visual aspect of our experience. But whether spoken or written, it will have an auditory dimension as well. If written, it also has a spatial dimension. Pictures are not only visual, they are often experienced for their tactile qualities. Thus, the sentient being tends to employ whatever sensory modalities it can employ to secure information from some qualitative display. Said more simply, we tend to use several of our senses to come to know the features of our environment. Now, that's an important thing for youngsters to know. That when you take a situation that you're trying to understand and they take it for granted. And we take it for granted. That we read that situation, cocktail party behavior, for example. We read that situation in terms of intonation, in terms of gesture, in terms of movement, in terms of the denotative meaning of the words and the contradiction between word and deed. When somebody says something that is contradicted by their bodily movement, by their comportment, by their gesture, we tend probably to believe their gesture rather than their words. And we use all of this, all of this information in order to make sense out of the world. So it's not a single channel. And if you take a look at advertising, for example. Look at the.. I was in the, while I was waiting for dentists, I walked down to the, there's an arcade down in the basement of the Union. I guess it is their memorial, or whatever it is. And I was watching those kids play the pinball machines. And the Pac-Man and all of that. And those folks know what they're doing because they have it all going for them. They've got the lights. They've got the camera. They've got the action. They've got the sound. They've got the whole thing. They are appealing to all of the senses. And I thought to myself, wouldn't it be a neat experiment to systematically eliminate each of those variables and see what kind of attention you could maintain. I mean, I don't know, I think they do it intuitively. But I'm trying to explain it psychologically. And what I'm trying to convey is that we use all of this information in designing architecture. We use it in our social relations. We use it when we drop our quarter into the machine. And it's designed that way. And ads are designed that way. The importance of sensory qualities and moving from conception to representation, from conception to representation is crucial. What is not sensory cannot be experienced. I'm going to set aside subliminal experience. Hence, any articulation of a conception in the public world must itself be embodied in some empirical material. In other words, anything that we have up here that we want to represent out here has to be represented in something that we can experience in a sensory way. If you can conceive of it this way for a moment. If you have a conception that you could represent in a form which was invisible, you wouldn't know you had done it. You only know you had done it when you can experience it. That's why we use music and we use sound and we use visual form and we use other vehicles, but they are experienceable. They're things that we can experience. This material that we use is then converted into a medium that carries the conception forward. So I take clay or I take sound, and I take that material and I convert it into a medium. Without the sensory properties of the medium representation could not occur. Now it becomes a medium incidentally because of material that you choose to use like bricks. Become a medium when the bricks are put together in a form which convey a conception. In other words, materials are the stuff that you work with. But it becomes a mediator of a conception only when it functions as a medium. A medium mediates. And if it doesn't mediate, it's only a material. Without the sensory properties of the medium representation could not occur. And since the type of meaning one can secure is greatly influenced by the sensory qualities that one experiences, the selection of a form through which a conception is represented is of the utmost importance in both setting the constraints and providing the opportunities for representation. Let me comment on that. It sets both the constraints and provides the opportunities. When you give a youngster a medium or a material to work with, you do two things. You define the constraints and you provide the opportunities. If you give youngsters clay as contrast at the cardboard, you define in some significant way what is possible and what is not possible. Because there are certain things you can do with clay that you can't do with cardboard and certain things you can do with cardboard that you can't do with clay and so forth. When you give the youngsters sound to work with, you define some of the parameters of the possible and you define out certain possibilities. So any selection of any material is a delimitation and an opportunity. And we need to badly think, to think very deeply about the nature of those restrictions and the nature of those opportunities much more than what we have done up to now in thinking about curriculum and thinking about the development of mind in education. The selection of a form of representation say a visual form, and the materials to be used to find the parameters of the possible. They do so in at least two ways. First, when one selects the material, one is not only defining one's opportunities, one is also defining what one will not be able to do. Steel and clay impose different restrictions upon their users. They also provide different opportunities. One must learn to think within the limitations and the possibilities of the material as the medium provides. Second, since each material requires different skills, conceptions for which skills are inadequately developed, are destined to remain locked into consciousness unable to find a place in the public world. Consider neon, for example. How many people over here have ever worked with neon? Not us all. Now, neon, you know, artists use neon. Now, I'd like you to imagine something that's possible that you could.... Let me, let's take the notion of anger. You want to express anger in neon. Can you conjure up an image of what that image would look like? You probably could. But right now at your present state and at my present state, you would be absolutely feckless in doing anything with that conception. And unless we were mind reader's which we are not, I assume. I cannot know the joys of your image. I will only know that when you're able to make it public. And to make it public, you have to take the material neon and convert it into a medium which makes it possible for the image that's in your head to become shareable. So the two things are necessary. One is, now even the image of neon. Can you imagine me saying to Michelangelo, \"Conjure up an image of a neon image of anger?\" He wouldn't know what we were talking about. He never saw neon. There was no neon. And that possibility did not exist for him. Poor old Michelangelo could never produce the work of a Henry Mou. Or of a geo Archimedes. And the in torch was not around then. I mean, when we create new technology, we create new possibilities. And it makes it possible to imagine things that were not imaginable before. Because there was no way in which one could construct that kind of image in the first place. In describing the relationship of conception to representation, I have described the process as moving from head to hand. From idea to it's embodiment in a public image. I did this for purposes of simplification. In reality, the traffic goes both ways. While I do not share Benedetto Croce's view, that a poorly expressed conception is prime and facial evidence that the conception was itself diffuse around clear. I do recognize the fact that conceptions are both clarified and altered through the process of representation. The act of representation is more of a dialogue than a monologue. More of a conversation than a lecture. The material suggests to the maker possibilities that were not conceived on at the outside of the activity. What finally results is often a negotiated product posing features that are something of a surprise to the maker. In that point, I concur with Collingwood that art properly so called, is not the product of the routine application of highly refined skills, but the result of new modes of thinking in which conceptions are significantly modified in the process of expression. You remember that Collingwood was pointing out the difference between art and craft. And he said, craft was the application of known skills to known ends. Art was the application of known skills to unknown ends. The craftsman makes 42 purses. They can all be wonderful but they are all the same. An artist uses the skills that go into the making process but produces something that he didn't or she didn't conceive of at the outset. So there's an element always of incoming with view. There's an element of surprise that emerges in the process of working. And that's where the growth, that's where the creativity, that's where the thinking takes place. People can do beautiful acts almost without thought. If you go to watch a great meta debonair apache that he's serving, they can do it with great panache and style. And if it's the 16,000th patch that that person has bond he could probably be thinking about his tennis game tomorrow. It looks great to you but he's really not there. But if it's really problematic and he's trying to do something that he's never done before, then he cannot be thinking about tennis. He's coping with the new situation. So that, the idea am trying to get across here is that it's not a matter of taking from the head simply and embodying that in the material. The material that one works with is a part of the relationship. And in the act, in the process with the material, new ideas are developed. That's what's so wonderful about writing. Am a person who does do a lot of writing and I can tell you if I seat down to write an article or to write a book or whatever it is and if I don't get a new idea in the process of writing that piece, it's a hack job for me. I've said it before and am simply repeating myself. If I'm working on a painting and I don't struggle with a new issue, then am simply repeating myself. 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solutions. They're not anything that's significant. And what I'm suggesting is that the media makes a contribution to the conception. It's not a monologue, it's a dialogue. It's a two-way street. The editing process is made possible when things are made public, and in the process of working with the material ideas are changed. The material that one elects to use to externalize the conception, to take it from here and to put it out is as I have already indicated both the constraint and the necessary means for creating an equivalent or a conception in the public world. But even after a form of representation, let's say a visual form has been selected and a material chosen, one is still left with a manner in which conceptions are to be made manifest. For example, again, the concept anger is initially and fundamentally a certain kind of lived experience. The word anger is simply a conventional term that points as a cue to that experience. If you can imagine for a moment, if it was possible to encounter someone who never experienced jealousy, and you use the word jealousy they wouldn't know what you were talking about. If they never experienced jealousy themselves maybe we introduce them to Othello to help them understand what that word means. But they have to somehow feel it, they have to have experienced that in some sense in order for the term to be meaningful. One way to express anger is to use conventions like the word anger, the most common of which are found in ordinary and technical language. But convention functions as a surrogate for an experience. It's an arbitrary device that members of a culture have agreed to use to stand for something. I don't know what the French word for anger is but it's not anger. It's something else. And there's nothing peculiar about A-N-G-E-R in English, and the French word for anger that makes one more appropriate for the experience than the other. They are simply arbitrary. But one can also represent anger by creating a form whose structural properties convey the feeling of anger directly. Visual images, auditory patterns, movements of the body and the way in which words are expressed can be intentionally shaped so that the expressive character or essence of the experience is produced within the form of representation one employs. Indeed the ability to produce the ineffability of feeling is what Susanne Langer believes defines an individual as an artist. Do we put it nicely? He was making a distinction between the kinds of meaning that science yields and the kinds of meaning that art yields. And he says in a book that he wrote called \"Art Is Experience\" that science States meaning, art expresses meaning. An artist takes a concept and creates a form which conveys the experience to the individual. It doesn't simply point to the experience someplace else. In order for that form to create the experience in the viewer, the form of the object of the work has to be shaped in a special way. When we say music is sad, it is sad because it's shaped that way. The music isn't sad because it has an F flat. It's Sad because that's its form, that's its shape. And what art partly is about is knowing how to make those shapes if I can put it that way. Art educators have a special interest in enabling the young not only to develop those forms of sensory intelligence that make it possible for them to pick up what is subtle but significant in the environment, but which also makes it possible for them to explore the ways in which conceptions that develop from such experience can be represented. We call those representations when they are well done art. So what we are doing in the arts in part is you might say two things. One is helping the young learn how to perceive the shapes that have already been made so that they can experience the qualities, the affect if you will, that those shapes display because some shapes, some forms are very difficult to perceive. And the other is to give youngsters to develop some of the ideas and some of the skills that will enable them to shape their own conceptions in a medium, in a material that becomes a medium. The use of conventions and the relation of expressive form do not exhaust the options individuals use to give public embodiment to private images. A third, and perhaps the oldest option, particularly in the visual arts is one of creating a form that tends to replicate the surface features of the object or the event experienced or recalled or imagined. This option is one of creating a mimetic image. The task of the artist is one of representing with verisimilitude the image held in conception. It is a task that requires the creation of illusion and according to E.H Gombrich has been the task that has dominated the history of art until the past 100 years or so. That is the same mimesis, imitation. These options, the use of conventions, like language and mathematics, the use of expressivity, the shaping of form so that it creates feeling, and mimesis, the creation of an image that stands for something else in terms of its surface features are the major formal devices through which forms of representation can be treated. To become skilled in the visual arts means in large measure being able to use effectively, at least the expressive and mimetic modes of treatment. In much visual art, all three modes of treatment are employed. The iconographic or conventional is not only found in the paintings of the 15th century, they are also found in the work of contemporary artists such as Jack Levine, Jasper Johns, Robert Rauschenberg, Andy Warhol, in their work mimesis as expressivity and convention are all employed to carry their ideas forward. Becoming literate in the visual arts means being able to read the images that employ these modes of representation. Now I know that I'm laying on a lot and some of it is technical and let me kind of reiterate. I'm making two distinctions right now. One is a distinction between forms of representation by which I mean, auditory, visual, dynamic, kinesthetic, gustatory, et cetera. Those vehicles that primarily appeal to one of the sensory modalities. We can choose to represent an idea visually, auditorily, kinesthetically, olfactory, in principle at least. We can take a form of representation and we can treat it in three different ways. We can use it, we can treat it by creating conventions, iconography is an example, ordinary language is an example, We can treat it expressively by shaping the form in a particular way so that creates some kind of emotion in someone who experiences it and we can do it through mimesis by creating an image that looks like the thing that we have conceptualized or that we wanna represent. So we have forms of representation and then we have these modes of treatment, ways of treating these things. Now, that's far in our journey we've explored the role of a census in concept formation and we have seen how the ability to differentiate the subtle from the obvious leads to conceptions that can be recalled or imaginatively manipulated. The arts and art educators in particular have a special contribution to make to the achievement of both subtle perception and the imaginative treatment of the images born of such perception. This process of information acquisition through a sensory system in touch with a qualitative environment is thoroughly cognitive in character. To see what is subtle is not simply a task, it is an achievement and one that requires the use of mind. Add to these demands, the task of creating in the public world, equivalences for conceptions held in the private world and the cognitive demands of the arts become even more obvious. See folks we take for granted, too much for granted the fact that we can imagine something, we can conceptualize something and we can express it. If you think about it it is an amazing achievement that we can conjure up something in our head and we can create in a public way. That is an amazing feat that we are so accustomed to that we hardly ever think about what it is to be able to do that. In this process of representation, a form of representation must be employed. A material must be converted into a medium, and the form of representation selected must be treated in some way. The three major modes of treatment are through convention, through expressiveness and through mimesis. Becoming an artist requires being, coming skilled in the use of at least two of these three modes of treatment. But even here, the task is not yet complete. Selecting a form of representation, choosing a material with which to work and identifying a mode of treatment do not yield the kind of structure that is required for a form to possess coherence, to convey an image or to achieve that status we call art. In some way, the elements or parts of the form must be fittingly related to each other. This task can be looked upon as the creation of a syntax within the form of representation one chooses to use. Now the term syntax is of course typically associated with the organization of language. But if we examine its etymology we find that the word syntax originally meant to arrange. To create a syntax among elements within a whole is to create an arrangement that is to say to compose and composition is a central task in the arts. How are the elements within a form of representation related? What criteria are applied to make decisions about sexual relationships? What kind of cognitive processes are required to develop a syntactical structure within the form one chooses to use? If we consult a culture once more we find that some forms of representation such as propositional discourse and mathematics employ a set of rules or criteria that are highly prescriptive in character. Meaning within such forms require that the rules that govern the arrangements of elements within them be strictly adhered to. To break the rules is to render the expression meaningless. In mathematics, early arithmetic for example, relationship among the elements within the system are highly prescribed. There was little or no room for subjectivity to operate. At least as at the levels that are taught at elementary and secondary school. See if you take spelling, if you take grammar, if you take arithmetic, arithmetic is a paradigm case, the rules that govern the organization of elements within arithmetic and the operations and the numerals are utterly prescribed. What a youngster learns is how to perform those operations correctly. There is a correct and an incorrect way to perform arithmetic operations. It is not a matter of subjectivity. It's a matter of obeying the rules of mathematics which are defined by convention. The elements are defined by convention. The same is true in spelling. Each English word has a prescribed order of letters which constitute it as a correctly spelled word. To violate that order, to break those rules is to violate the meaning of that word. There is a grammar that we learn to use. We must use grammar correctly to be literally meaningful in our speech. We get away with poor grammar because we interpolate in our speech and we understand each other there are degrees of freedom. But literally speaking, there is a correct and an incorrect use of grammar in terms of standard usage. There are dialects and other things that's another issue. So those are examples of forms of representation that emphasize the use of convention in which the syntactical structure is utterly prescriptive, extremely prescriptive in mathematics and an arithmetic. In poetry however, not only allows for idiosyncratic arrangement, it puts a premium on them. The same is true in the visual arts and music and in dance. Forms of representation that allow relatively little scope for idiosyncratic arrangement among their elements emphasize the rule governed end of the syntactical continuum. You've got a continuum here, one end being ruled governed and the other end being figurative. Forms of representation that allow or encourage the idiosyncratic arrangement of elements emphasize the figurative end of the syntactical continuum. If we look at schooling now, particularly during the early grades, we find that the major curricular emphasis is upon the study of subject matters that emphasize forms of representation that employ a rule governed rather than a figurative syntactical structure. If we speculate about the kinds of META lessons, M-E-T-A lessons that students acquire when they are learning the subject matters, it seems likely that they are learning to become rule followers. And is a vast difference in the cognitive operations employed in following a rule as contrast with inventing a coherent you have personally defined structure. Now it may very well be that arithmetic can be conceptualized instructionally in order to encourage idiosyncratic forms of arrangement. I don't know enough about mathematics to know how that would go, but the major message is what I don't wanna lose. Namely, that the early aspects of curriculum particularly at the early levels of schooling are almost exclusively, That maybe a bit overstated, but they are clearly dominated by tasks whose syntactical structure are very highly rule governed and youngsters tacitly therefore learn that their task is to learn to perform operations correctly as contrasted with incorrectly. What one wants to do is to do it right. There is no rightness in the same sense in poetry and in painting, there is no correct conclusion to a poem. There is no correct or incorrect poem. There are different qualities of solution, but the adjective correct or incorrect is an inappropriate one to apply to poetry and a painting and dance and so forth. So what I'm suggesting to you is that when we design a educational program or curriculum, and we leave out tasks, we leave out those tasks which are at the figurative and of the syntactical continuum. We leave out tasks that engage the kids in a kind of thinking that requires the use of judgment rather than the application of a standard or the application of a rule and that has great implications for the kinds of thinking processes that we cultivate or that we fail to cultivate. Now there are of course great practical utilities in learning to use forms of representation that are rule governed. When rule governed behavior is dominant, consensus can be more easily achieved. For many tasks the reduction of idiosyncrasy and the increase of consensus is of great virtue. My ability to measure the floor of this room is of tremendous utility If I wanna order carpeting for it. Measurement is a rule of government operation. The sharing of common conventions based on rule allow the carpet seller and the carpet buyer to understand each other. It also allows us to drive our car safely and communicate about many, but not about all matters with precision. Clearly in any society, having forms of representation that are rule governed has important utilities, yet not withstanding these obvious utilities. The really perplexing matters of life are seldom resolved by appealing to rules or by adding up columns of rule governed figures. The problems that perplex us are characterized by ambiguity, uncertainty, trade-offs and dilemmas. They often possess features that we find ineffable, that we can't even put into words, let alone measure. What we must do to cope with these problems is to take their elements and create a coherent structure that is personally satisfying. It is in this sense that the tasks of art placed upon students are among the most demanding from a cognitive point of view. Such tasks are guided by no prescriptive rules of the order used in punctuating sentences or in calculating answers to arithmetic problems. The tasks of art required deliberation rather than calculation. They demand judgment that most fallible but most useful of human abilities. They ask the student to conceptualize the possible to see what he has made and to judge not to measure its qualities and then to act upon those judgments. It's my conviction that such tasks represent the highest forms of cognitive activity. Such activities are not the exclusive domain of the artist, they pervade the work of the scientist when operating in the context of discovery, and they characterize the deliberations of genuinely practical people. The politician, the teacher, the statesman, and the practical tasks of daily life. Students who work in the arts have no rules to obey of the kind of described, save coherence. And the syntactical structure that coherence requires is not prescribed. The lessons learned from the arts when they are well-taught are among the most relevant for cultivating the potential of the human mind. And it is that contribution that for most students will be one of art educations made thought and emotion, psyche and soma will no longer do. Art educators have a cognitive claim to make, not in order to shout me too among those who have long made such claims but rather to do justice to our work and to the demands that art activities make upon the young. From conception to representation, the cycle is fully cognitive. To make such a claim is not to give emotion a backseat incidentally. Emotion is itself a cognitive event since distinctions from one state to another must be made in order to know that one is feeling something. Folks in the in the education literature we have a distinction that we talk about affect and cognition and the psychomotor, these three domains. And it's often said that cognition deals with thinking and that affect deals with feeling and psychomotor activities deal with acting or doing something. The implication is that if you're doing cognition doing cognitive activities, you think but don't feel, and if you're doing affective activities, you are feeling but not thinking. If you take a look at the dictionary of psychology you will find that the word cognition means to become aware, to be cognizant, to be become aware of something. If cognition means to become aware of something and I believe it does, then to have a feeling and not to become aware of it is not to have it. And if not to have it, then it's obviously not cognitive. It's not an affective of activity rather. And to have a feeling or to have a thought which is not as affective that is without feeling is itself to have felt something. See, these are not contradictions they only seem like contradictions. If I have a feeling I'm having something that I'm aware of, right? And if I'm aware of it, and if awareness is what cognition means then every time I have a feeling that I'm aware of, I'm cognizing. And if I have a feeling that I am not aware of, I'm not having it. So in order for me to have a feeling I have to be cognizant, which means I've got to engage in cognitive activity. Now you can ask, well, can you engage in cognitive feeling that's without affect? Can I be thinking something that doesn't have any feeling? And the answer to that question is no. That every thought has a feeling to it. Well, what about the absence of feeling? Well, the absence of feeling is itself a feeling. That's how you know that it's absence of feeling because you feel it to be absent of feeling. So that even an affective activity or a cognitive activity that we think is feelingless is feelingfull. And that I'm not trying to be cute about, I'm trying to illustrate the mistakes that I think we make. And the manifestations of those steaks are not simply the sort of the cute games of philosophers at conferences. See the manifestations of that affect the lives of children in schools. We have 45 million children in school. And what we tend to do when we make these silly distinctions between cognition and affect as though they didn't have anything to do with each other, is that we say well, we're interested in cognition and not an affect. Affect is on the margins of things. And that there are activities that are affective, there activities that are cognitive. The cognitive activities are reading and math, the affective activities are art and music. So what we do is in order to deal with cognition cognitive activities which are reading and math, what we should do since you have to really be sharp to deal with those 'cause they're intellectual we should teach them when the kids are sharp and awake. And that you teach reading and math in the morning, and in the afternoon you teach effective activities which are the arts and music, usually the latter part of the week. So virtually all of the elementary schools, the first part of the day you have reading and math and language arts generally, and then some times leftover at the end of the week on Friday afternoon, before you go home by 20 minutes to three, you have some affect. The fact of the matter is it's all affective. It is all as affective. Math is also affective. Matter of fact, it's so effective that we often produce people who are absolutely frightened to death of math. What kind of programs in schools can we develop that will refine these modes of thought? What kinds of tasks should students encounter? 'Cause everything that I've said here makes absolutely no difference to anybody if it doesn't make any difference in the fourth grade. It all has to be translated and transformed into what teachers and kids do together in classrooms. How shall we know how well students have learned in these areas? In what ways are students informed when concepts are experienced in different sensory modalities? How does such experience widen what students come to know? In short, what would a school program look like that was built upon the ideas I've presented this evening? While this paper implies no answers to such questions, it doesn't answer them directly. There are some implications I think, but perhaps concluding with a set of questions is a good way to make another beginning. Let me therefore bring this talk to closure with the questions that I have just raised, questions about what we should teach, how we will know whether the students have learned, the kind of meaning that that kind of a program that's reflected in the ideas of this paper, what it would do to enhance the understanding of the youngster. What can a youngster learned for example about the American civil war through visual imagery, through auditory imagery, through words as well that he or she would not come to know if the two of those were omitted? How do we enhance a child's experience and conception of some complex reality through the use of these, if you will, a multi-sensory modes of representation? And what would school programs be like if they asked youngsters to develop their ideas, not only through written form but also through forms that made use of sound of visual imagery, of movement and so forth and so on? Let me end it also with the hope that as a result maybe of some of the ideas I presented a new appreciation for arts role in education is created, not only as that form of experience that we value for its own sake because we certainly do value art for its own sake, but because of our realization that art and arts teachers give shape to the human mind and I cannot conceive of any mission that is more central to any adequate conception of the aims of education. And that is really the major message I wanna leave with you. That teachers of the arts are not simply engaged in functioning as release valves for emotion, they are not simply engaged in giving the talented an opportunity to realize their potential but that teachers of the arts just as teachers of the sciences and mathematics are engaging children in tasks that eventuate in another form of thinking in expanding the modes of thought that youngsters will be able to use. And through that expansion to develop and widen the kinds of meaning that they can have in their lives. And it seems to me that education ought to be concerned with that kind of end. And I'm really very pleased to be a part of a profession in which the cultivation of those mental abilities, as well as in the enhancement of the appreciation of the arts is so central a concern. So let me leave you with those last words and thank you very much for listening to this. Ladies and gentlemen this was a longer paper than I anticipated. It became longer because I wanted to elaborate off the paper some of these ideas that I was developing. I would like to take no more than seven or eight minutes to respond to you informally on things that are either related to this paper or that are related to things that you are concerned about. I almost feel a little bit apologetic about the paper. It is a technical paper, it's long, it's complicated. I can leave a copy with Dennis if you'd like to read it. But I really do believe that these issues that I was addressing about the ways in which people come to conceptualize and the forms that they use to share their conceptions with others, and the kinds of literacies that a good educational program can develop are extraordinary important particularly at a time in our country when so much is being done to reduce to this rate the school curriculum into a very narrow view of what is important for youngsters. Children do not live by bread alone, and we need educational programs that will do justice to the scope of their minds and the curriculum is the vehicle for it. And we ought not to think that the arts are simply kind of marginal niceties after the really important stuff is gotten. They are not reading and writing and arithmetic are basically tools for getting at things that are important. Yeah, we don't have to set up a school system to teach kids to read the utility bills. We want them to be able to read things that are worth reading, and that means they need to be sensitive to the sorts of things that deal with expressivity, that deal with metaphor, that deal with innuendo, where they can cope with uncertainty. That's really in an ordinary speech the sort of message that I was trying to get across in terms of the larger issue. But let me try to be responsive to questions or comments that you might have. It'll take me a couple of minutes, maybe. Yes, ma'am.\r\n\r\n- I was interested in what you were saying about language being surrogate and being image itself and wondering if we don't normally rely on that. And if that isn't the crux of a lot of our problems in our education is that we work about the arts instead of getting in the arts. If I may refer to your example of anger and neon, if you were to have private image of anger that might be represented but not the skill was represented. And you were to describe to me in a very articulate fashion might I not develop some understanding anyway, of anger and beyond, and perhaps might not be closer to what you have in mind that if you were to have the skill and represented maybe I would get angry and beyond from your actions representation.\r\n\r\n- That's a lovely comment, a lovely question. I think in general, that if I had the skill to represent anger in neon, that you are more likely to acquire my conception if I adequately represented in the medium than if I describe it in words. Because the match between a visual conception and a visual representation is much closer than a match between a visual conception and a verbal representation. If I tell you that my brother is coming in at the Des Moines Airport and that he is five foot eight and a half, he is 57 years old, he has gray hair. You wouldn't have a hard time locating him. You would have some cues to go with but if I said, here's a picture of my brother which is a visual representation of a visual image it would be easier for you to do that. So that in general I think that if I have a visual image and I can represent it visually, the likelihood that you could share my image is much greater than if I use words. There is one caveat to that which is very important however, and it's the one that you intimate. If a young cannot read the image that I construct and is really able to read a verbal image better, under those circumstances a verbal image might be better than a visual image. But those I would say are more special circumstances in general. But that's a lovely question. Yes, go ahead.\r\n\r\n- Don't we in museums, for example, programs that we take with us through museums use the verbal as a way of triggering.\r\n\r\n- Sure, sure. Oh yeah. That's exactly what good criticism want to do. Good criticism is a way of using language to open up the qualities of a painting or a piece of sculpture or a piece of architecture or a glass of wine. It means that you have to see, criticism, good criticism functions as the midwife to perception. It gives birth to a qualitative realization. Bad criticism gets in the way, good criticism opens up. Yes, and we use language that way. But you could also use a picture to illuminate another picture. In a museum you could take for example, a portrait by Dhabi and portrayed by Bhikkhuni and put them together and they will illuminate each other. I collect art and we have an African mask a Yaka mask with thick hair dress on it. And right next to it is a painting, it's a sort of an expression of painting, a wild painting something just like Phyllis Diller, it's not Phyllis Diller. And those things are right next to each other and they really work off each other beautifully. But yeah, we use words. Sure, we use it for a whole lot of things. Not only in the arts. Yes sir. I think that there is a little bit more to that on the importance of language that could be established. Just take just tonight, what did you do? For two hours you were only talking. But you didn't use images. You were trying to convince us merely buy language, you didn't use any diagraph, you didn't use pictures, you didn't use any signs. You just talk, and talk and talk. And it's much more probably than just because you did that, just right now.\r\n\r\n- Well, yes I've talked.\r\n\r\n- And you try to convince us of very important issue only by talking, only by verbal language.\r\n\r\n- Because in order for my talk to be meaningful you have to understand what I'm referring to.\r\n\r\n- You used only language, you didn't show any music. You spoke about sad music. And in fact, when you listen to a music, you can still verbalize it.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, but you have to understand the point I was making about this character language. If I use language that has no imaginable reference for you, if I was speaking, let's say Swedish, I would be using language. It would be meaningless to you. Why would it be meaningless? Because you would have no idea of what the words refer to.\r\n\r\n- But you were not speaking Swedish.\r\n\r\n- I understand that, I'm speaking English. And that's my whole point. My whole point is that because I am speaking English and because you understand the reference to the language that I am using, the language is meaningful. But if I'm set to you, for example.\r\n\r\n- Even that explanation you had it in English. The image, you explained it in English.\r\n\r\n- What does image mean?\r\n\r\n- No, English is English.\r\n\r\n- No, what does image mean.\r\n\r\n- Okay, what does what mean?\r\n\r\n- Image.\r\n\r\n- No, you said what does image mean. And I asked you what you mean by what mean?\r\n\r\n- You wanna ask me what what mean?\r\n\r\n- Because when you asked me a question you used the word mean. You said what does image mean. I'm asking, what does what mean and what the word mean in the sentence that you asked me.\r\n\r\n- Mean, if I.\r\n\r\n- What do you mean by if?\r\n\r\n- What do I mean by if?\r\n\r\n- Yes\r\n\r\n- What do you mean by if? What do you mean by I mean?\r\n\r\n- Isn't some of the answer though, is that you're saying there's a need for this education, all of us in this room with some exception, having screws in education. I think partly and for her also would be that when there is more balance in our education, then we will be able to intuit these things and maybe in our minds we will have a balanced view on the arts and language. Right now, we all value language. And there no question about that. But with that that you're looking forward to, that'll be another day, a roll at the top and see what are we, how we changed, maybe of our children will have that conversation, not us.\r\n\r\n- Isn't that what you're saying? If they get properly educated then they'll be able to get the, they'll have a balance in language.\r\n\r\n- Excuse, you are interrupting me. If, the word if, what is the image of if?\r\n\r\n- There is a sense in which we have the image of if. I mean otherwise it would have no meaning. That's right. And we learn that through our experience when we are dealing with people and using language and we understand the conditions and the implications of that.\r\n\r\n- What I mean is that language is much more, I do not not basically disagree with you, of course based on communication using image. But I almost believe that language is much more powerful. You wanted to meet, even in funeral, there is a eulogy which is much more powerful which is dust to dust, ashes to ashes.\r\n\r\n- I don't know whether it's powerful, powerful or not powerful. But the issue doesn't turn on whether the funeral merge is less powerful than the eulogy. But if somebody says ashes to ashes and dust to dust, it's only beautiful if you know what ashes are and what dust is. And if you have no conception of dust and no conception of ashes, what you would have would be music.\r\n\r\n- I have asked you to define every single word that you said in that sentence.\r\n\r\n- Yes, because language is limited with words that's that's correct.\r\n\r\n- Yes ma'am.\r\n\r\n- If we were to follow the thinking of \"Beethoven Ninth\" move up every concept, no matter how we expect it to be how could we relate that maybe to our own evolution to the way you teach children? You think that the future grabs the ball of sophisticated language of visual, verbal. When the language is verbal is much.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I'm not interested in getting rid of the verbal at all, I'm talking about a balance in the curriculum as is gentlemen was suggesting. But a lot of my own thinking has been influenced by R. Heinz work. And I remember in the paper I was talking about the semantic dimensions of language not this syntactible dimensions of language. There may indeed very well be some features syntactically in the use of language, which you cannot duplicate through a visual syntax, for example. But in terms of the semantic aspects of language the fact that words have reference. Even the word category which is highly abstract. You know what this category mean? We have a sense in which we can illustrate what category means. If a kid wants to know what does it mean to have a category it's not easy but we can give examples of it. This is a category, that's a category, that's a category. And some of those features there's gonna be some conception that will emerge from the examination of those qualities. So that, yeah, I think that we ought to push it as as far as we can in trying to think through the possibilities of communication and expression in these other modalities. And I think that's what artists and musicians and architects, painters, dancers attempt to do. They are trying to push the parameters of the possible within their particular domain. And what the point I'm making is that the kind of meaning that we experience when these domains are pushed intelligently is sui generis, it's special to those that there is no equivalent translation. As much as you could say about \"Beethoven's Ninth Symphony\" anything that you can say about \"Beethoven's Ninth Symphony\" if you were the most fantastic critic in the world would not replicate the symphony, if you're able to hear it. And that's the caveat, if you're able to hear it. You can't replicate 'cause it isn't the same. A thing is what it is and not another thing. And because it is what it is, and because it has special meaning one wants to develop people who have the capacity, I should say the ability to secure those meanings. And the great works of art, and you may label me a conservative or an elitist on this one, but the great works of art have certain profundities that we wanna make available, that that are not duplicatable in in the things that are of less significance. The great works of art and the great works of science and the great works of anything have very special contributions to make.\r\n\r\n- And do these profundities make words?\r\n\r\n- If they come in words, you can express them in words. If they come in visual form, you cannot express them in words. You're not assured that you have them even if you express them in words. Oh, well, that's not a guarantee. There are some things that we cannot know for sure. Then you don't know, yes. You have to settle for that, there are some things you're not gonna know. I mean, that's life.\r\n\r\n- expressive words, is it being a dead horse if you say have to speak the language in any of this were in terms of spoken language you brought this up, in terms of music it's the same. I can listen to Beethoven and not know whether he's happy or sad, sorry to say, and I'm a professional musician. I can look at an African mask and not tell it was a ceremonial mask, imploring the gods for this or that, or it was supposed to be a joke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34616/file/103484#t=0.0,2735.20327"}]}]}]}