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As well as the Women's Center, the Anthropology Department, the Religious Studies Department, the ISU Humane Society. Our speaker tonight is Jim Mason and Jim grew up on a farm in Southern Missouri so he is a native Midwesterner. He is an author, he's an attorney and a lecturer. He is the coauthor of a book called Animal Factories and his most recent book, which we have available tonight and it will be for sale after the lecture is, An Unnatural Order: Uncovering the Roots of Our Domination of Nature and Each Other. So if you'll please help me in welcoming Jim Mason.\r\n\r\n- Thank you, Vicki, and thanks to all the groups that have sponsored my talk here. I sort of feel like Iowa State's my second home. I'm up here a lot and getting familiar with the community and the hallways around here. It's good to be back. Thanks for coming. This is a, I'm sorry, this lecture is not the world's most entertaining material. There's nothing in this about Tonya Harding or any false doors or anything whatsoever. And, but it's, it's fascinating material to me and I hope to make it fascinating to you. I'll try to hold it to about an hour or less if possible. And then we'll have plenty of time for discussion because I invite your input on some of these stuff. I've gotten irked lately because there's so much noise about genes and genetics as a solution to our problems. I'm thinking of Time Magazine article a few months ago. The cover story was about genetic engineering piece in there. Just the tone of the piece and the, nowadays, there's so much a fascination with genes and genetics as if they're gonna solve all our problem. And I thought about it a lot in connection with my material and I've accepted it. I think it's probably normal given the outlook of our society, which is, especially today, which is in part of product of the industrial revolution with all of its mechanistic ideas. We tend to think everything's a machine, including ourselves. So this fascination with genes is kind of like getting to the small moving parts. And if we can just master these genes, somehow we'll have the solutions to the world. It irks me because this blocks out all discussion of our culture. We're crazy about discussing our genes but we don't have a moment to look at our culture. That's off limits. It's particular ideology of American society, I suppose, or political perspectives in this society that we just don't know the culture very much. And, you may know it as well as I do, what it is, because if you look at culture that applies that we can change. And change genes, but you can change your culture. People don't like that, especially institutions don't like change and institutions have much power to fight back. So we're stuck with this perspective, are we're really not willing to look at our culture and to do so is kind of a subversive activity. And it's kind of any social activity. It's really kind of taboo about it. I like to do that kind of stuff. I like to look into the culture and history and that's what you're going to get tonight. I don't think we've looked deeply enough into our culture. I think it goes way back. Some of the roots of these problems go back farther than and it's even safe to talk about but that's what we're going to do. For example, main issues in the press, the data files and yet the mainstream press can't even bring itself to use the word patriarchy at the end of this discussion. I had this discussion last night, somebody had to talk. She told me that the encyclopedia Britannica, that the patriarchy enemy in their, in their book. And it makes some sort of passing reference to a couple of lines saying that there's no evidence that it exists. This is a problem I'm talking about. We're just not willing to look into those kinds of cultural roots. We'd find a lot I think if we, if we did. Because, I think patriarchy has besides values on male supremacy I think it has a lot of other values on violence and domination and ideas like that. Where some of you may be familiar with and yet they can't bring themselves to look at that. So, what I want to tell you about what I've been reading and thinking about the past 13 years. Mostly, I'm looking at books and papers and the writings and the thoughts of what you might call the nature writers, or the nature intellectuals. That some of their ideas are fairly generally agreed on. And a lot of others are rather speculative. And when we get into the discussion period, if you want, we can discuss, which is which I have felt free to add some of my own speculation to some of their's because I have a another point of view on this. So I think it was entitled by speculation. My goal with you is, is more provocation in persuasion. I don't expect to make a lot of converts but I do want to try to stimulate some thoughts some reading and some discussion. Overall. What I want to do is to look at our Dominic culture as views of nature. Because the, any culture, any world views, views of nature, the attitudes about nature are very basic. They can to influence everything else. So you really want to look at the base of any particular perspective or worldview is good to look that attitudes about nature. And we'll see how these attitudes about nature kind of around and affect human society. Well, what is the Dominant Culture's worldview? Well, the one in our lives, the one at hand here in Iowa in the United States is a Euro-American worldview. I think it's, it's easiest to see the true character and the true colors of this worldview. If we take a look at how Europeans handled the encounters with the Americans in 17th century. There are the European attitudes about nature. And the European worldview really stands out in sharp contrast. It was an attitude of utter arrogance over the rest of the world and people there and other arrogance that religiously sanctioned era. And I'm going through this in more detail later. I didn't even find the word for our worldview. So I gave it one. I gave it a name. I called it dominion ism. The dictionary clearly, it says, the word dominion means an exercise of a or an attitude of supremacy and determining and directing the actions of others. And I thought it was the perfect word for our view of other life on the planet, including a human. This dominionist perspective, or they're just demanding this worldview is basically two roots, the religious roots and the secular roots to really just raise your course to do the Christian writing, especially with Genesis. In Genesis, if you'll recall three times, three times God grants dominion to the human race, three times not once, three times. And the secular tradition, we get ideas of dominion from the other classical cultures. Egyptian, Persian, Greek and Roman, but especially the Greek culture, especially because of Aristotle. 'Cause Aristotle was such a staunch dominions. Aristotle wrote and I quote, \"everything exists for man\". And I think in the time that he was writing, he probably meant men and not men and women. Now this attitude is particularly popular with the Christian fathers who translated Aristotle. Augustine and Aquinas, they liked Aristotle. They used his ideas a lot. They pretty much packaged his ideas with those Christian tradition in their own writing. So, I've said that they welded together a secular and religious traditions and the writings of Augustine's and Aquinas, combine the religious and secular views of nature. Then around 1600, Francis Bacon and Rene Descartes did some more welding. They upgraded this, a dominion ism. It was coming out at this point, Catholic church tradition. With it's roots back and older culture. Bacon an Descartes upgraded this dominion ism to fit the emerging Renaissance's idea is about the nuisance of mission honor for mankind, for humankind. So dominion ism went from being a mere license, a God-given license, it went from that to being a sort of a duty or a cause for humanity. It went from being merely, okay to control nature. To becoming a moral imperative after Descartes and Bacon. This of course, it was around 1680. And this was the beginning of the capitalist period. And this is the beginning of the capitalist ethic. The idea is established here that making wealth from nature is good and noble. And indeed their idea was that it was our mission on earth to do that. Now, some will object that I'm dominion ism and the words I use, dominion ism, or this worldview, dominion ism, is the natural order of things. That's just the way it is. Humans are supreme. Well, that's not really true because if you look around and you can look at other cultures and other periods. Dominion ism has not been the prevailing view all the time and all of the placements and all of the age, they're having other views. My view is that this dominion ist this human supremacist idea. Control nature is the unnatural order of things. And hence the title of my book. If we want to see the natural order of things. If there is such a thing. Then, I suggest that we look at non agricultural society and our own cultural traditions before we became agriculture. This, this human life way was the longest of human existence. It's about 10 million years. since our, divergence from the other apes. People make equivalent with that figure, but it's kind of an average of all of the figures that people do. 10 million years of hominid existence. And I'll make 10,000 years of agricultural culture. That's a ratio of one to 1000, to make it understandable. If we compress all of existence 10 million years into one calendar year, guess how long we've been farmers? Only the last eight hours and 45 minutes of that year of existence. So it really, the agricultural period really is not very long part of our evolution. We need to look at, I think the older part to understand what might be the so-called natural order. I call this period of human existence before agriculture. I call it primal society, primal society. It's totemic society or tribal society, and of course to get them to follow they can talk about paleo culture and so forth. I call it primal culture. The main features of our Life ways in that period before agriculture, we were foragers. We moved through our environments. We moved through the ecosystems that our region refined food materials. They moved in bands of about 20 or so people, a Kimberly of a large extended family. These bands of foragers our ancestors had tremendous knowledge of their environments. They had incredibly detailed knowledge of the plants and animals. Because not that would not have been able to sustain, so. Records show archeological evidence shows that they had good health generally good health and good diets and relatively short word that life wasn't all bad. The main thing I want to look at for our purpose is to try to understand their perceptions of the natural world. Their worldview, the primal worldview. If you look at the, what we, what we've defined as worldview it's apparent that they were most impressed by a couple of things. One that Joseph Campbell called the animal powers. They were impressed by the familiar and the unusual and the mysterious antics of animals, their behavior. I'll give you more on that moment. And the other main thing that seems interesting were what we call, what we could call them General female towers, female towers. Women were the creators of life and the chief food providers for the band society. Women probably, one writer has said that women got a sense of identity from their embedded ness in primal lightweight. That means that women probably created the prime of life. It was a woman centered culture, a woman centered 10 group. So women had tremendous status and power and the sense of female power period. Another writer says that women had an automatic sense of identity in primary society because of their sexuality to lie. Men on the other hand, had a sense of superfluous. The sense of imbalance of power against the mysteries of female co-creation and so forth. Which is why I think, and this is one of my speculations. This is why I think men hunted especially when they hunted large game animals. And it's why I think hunting is exaggerated so much by some empowerness. Maybe not so much anymore. Some anthropologists said that hunting is what made us human. I can think of several books that have had that basis. Nancy Tanner says that this was a male creation myth that men have exaggerated the importance of hunting and the evolution of prime society because it makes it seem as if men were the chief food providers and that men's activity hunting was central to existence to evolution. But the art archeological record now beginning to show them how Benjamin exaggerated. So I think that it bears looking at it that men probably hunted as much to acquire the animal's powers in order to compensate for their enemy of female powers. They hunted as much for that, for spiritual reasons as for nutritional reasons, they, they hunted for power not for me but they were killing familiars. They were killing animals that had some significance to them, their being. In some cases, there was a sense of kinship of animals. There're a sense that they were ancestors tried and true. So it wasn't easier to kill them without guilt and without some feelings about it. So naturally hunting. And that was times society was surrounded with rituals. Hunt rituals would lead to male hunting cults. And these cults would have constructed their own male-centered mysteries about hunting and about maleness and about the need around will power. These cults would have evolved into a male centered society and need some of those decide. Is it tilted toward hunting? You have kind of an early sense of male supremacy even before patriarchy emerged, but we shouldn't romanticize for your society and primal culture. Because they did do some things that aren't very nice by our standards. They didn't practice in the bank side and they didn't practice a ritual torture, other enemy some things like that, maybe not so rosy, but in general their health was good. And what's important for us to understand is their views of nature, their views of natural world. The sense they have a relationship with natural world. Try and put ourselves. As I put, try to put ourselves in their psychic shoes, try to put ourselves in their mind and see the world the way they did then. And we see that they had a sense of closeness, a sense of kinship. A sense of continuity with the living world around them. This is the culture that existed before agriculture. These are the values that existed before we became agricultural. And in a moment, I want to take you through the onset of agriculture and some of the things that happened as we became an agricultural society. But before we do that, there's something that is important to understand before we do that. And that is to look at the importance of animals in this culture in primal culture, as it's about to become agricultural. For these ideas, I draw primarily on the works of Paul Shepherd, has written several books about the importance of animals, especially if we're thinking animals. And share these ideas with you. He gave him some others say that throughout our evolution animals have been perceived by the human mind as the most fascinating, the most stimulating beings out there in nature. They're so alive, they're moving, they're animated and make us wonder. Shepherd says that animals were the first in having the human mind. He says that animals were basically to the development of speech and thought in human beings. Specifically what they did for our minds is. Number one, that they didn't make us wonder that you could roll your mind back to the natural world the way someone might have in a stone age or earlier. Animals stood out from nature. Animals did things that were like us, animals were familiar and yet they were different. Animals would urinate, calculate, sleep, eat. They did a lot of things that human beings could and this must've caused tremendous fascination and dear puzzlement in human mind which is a stimulating the thought and to and to enter the site and do intelligence. Number two, animals gave us sets and categories to comprehend. Things to sort and be classified which is an important stage in the development. The rest of the world doesn't come in such nice, neat sets of things as animals do. You see a herd of animals. You see a lot of individuals that are all alive as a set. Whereas the rest of nature, clouds are always moving, forests with different trees come somewhat in sets but by and large, most of the rest of nature is rather amorphous than they. 'Cause animals this, this ready, things are easily sorted and classified this is important to withheld. Number three, an animal's behavior gave us useful images. And ultimately words came from useful images. The useful images to describe non-visible things, non object things, abstract things, things that we didn't have words for that are target comprehended before we were very involved with the species. Things like hunger. Patience, selfishness, courage, speed. These are abstractions. Animals offered by the human beings, early human beings. A way to think about these things. And ultimately to have words for. More evidence of the importance of animals on the human mind look at creation stories, of crime and the people, the world over and most of them, if not all of them animals were the first beings. Animals were the first beings on earth. Many of the stories started out that the animals were on the earth and they brought us to the earth and they taught us how to hunt and dwell fire and so forth. This shows that the primal mind thought that animals had been there a long time and that they knew more than we could. Again, the signed evidence of their fascination with animals. In art the very first painting, the fake largely hammer figured. And they've been made a bigger In my language to folklorist has found over 5,000 expressions that are animal based. Expressions like horsey, mousey, to badger someone, to being cowed, do like horseplay, thousands of expressions. The folks who are older it says more animal-based expressions in a language than any other set of things in nature. Animals are very important in their expression. And you can look fatals Aesop's fables, Naval Beast areas, nursery rhymes. All of them are loaded with animal imagery and animal activity. In psychology, the Rorschach test and other pictorial tests that are shown to people. The majority of interpretation says the animal figures, animals seem to be on the mind even as people are looking at abstract drawing. And children's literature and the furniture of the nursery, children's toys, children's games. Again, animal figures vary from. Shepherd would say, the attributes would say that animals are sort of wired into our brains. They're part of our software, because throughout evolution they can remain neighbors out there in the natural world. The main other living beings in the world remain others. And hence our main link with the world around us and enhance our main bond with nature of the universe. With that in mind what happens is we could become agricultural people. When we take up a new relationship with nature and they enter into a new world order with the rest of the light on earth. Alfred Crosby wrote a book a few years ago Ecological and Parallelism. And he says, I'll paraphrase it. And he says, if we want to understand the roots of European imperialism, we must be off to the Middle East and look at the domestication of wheat and livestock. And that's just about what I've done here. And I need to explain to you what I see happening as we became agricultural people. First, you might have a question if forge your life or primal life is so good. Why do people take on agriculture? I tried to sort out all the major theories and try and find one that emerges as an acceptable one. There's still a lot of bickering about exactly when agriculture started. But I noticed one thing, all the theories had in common and that has a lot to do with population rise, population density in certain areas, in the old world. Along the river, valleys and marshlands in some places like this human population probably tend to be creep up. And theory is that human beings that collected they're intended to build up their numbers in such a way that they weren't free of regrowing or mobility, as far as you as someone restricted, as they got locked in, but ecosystem. And when this happened, it had been intensified or gathering intensified food collection. The intensification of some of those food collections sometimes meant that they had you over work areas like a stand of wild wheat on a hillside. Maybe they discovered even accidentally that they had weed that we feel and get more wheat, wheat plants on next year. But little by little, they learn how to cultivate some of the standard wild foods gathering to the point where they're actually managing that standard wild wheat. Pruning it, weeding it and trimming it, perhaps watering it, who knows but over time, over centuries of time human beings came to have control over that standard. While, we can tell that wheat plant really didn't resemble its wild ancestor anymore it became a different kind of wheat altogether that became a domestic strain of wheat. And a similar thing would happen with the same kind of constant human pressure on a herd of animals. So we think that some of the people who hunted perhaps hurt animals, had been specialized how to hurt those animals. Just as the Bison manages planes that they would, they would pick on a particular species because they could easily learn more about its habits, the samples, and more successful hunters. In other words they can intensify their, their, their hunting activity. And over time that counts for human pressure on a herd. People will become accustomed to that herd and come to think of it as their own herd. And they would become herd followers. They stuck with the herd, as it moved. Over more times still, or centuries of this a hunter is well, a tribal, the band that was attached to that are probably started doing selected killing. That is, howl certain animals, maybe older females or maybe the younger males. It might've varied from tribe to tribe but whatever specific animals they prey upon selective culling again, had an effect on the herd. And in fact, when the breeding, the age ratio, the sex ratio. And over time, they changed their youngs. They became different animals from the wild ancestors they came under people's control. They came to be domestic animals. And the first one to be domesticated this way were sheep and goats, and what's now, now in Iraq. And then in a couple of thousand years cattle and horses and camels and so on. True husbandry comes when these people are actually consciously aware of that they're able to change the breeding of their animals and create characteristics like horn shape and body pattern and so forth. As people were becoming agricultural whether they were planners or landlords or, or herders it brought changes in their life. Agriculture in general brings changes in life. Many writers now are looking at the agriculture as they put it the seeds of alienating, the seed of alienation where human beings became enemies of patience. A lot of people were saying, so whether we're talking plant or animal agriculture there's some things that happened as people turned agriculturists. One is that kind of sedentary they tend to stay in one place. When they do that population tends to creep up tends to creep up in size and density because they used to live in groups of 20, 40, 50 people. Now they're living in villages of hundreds perhaps thousands of some of the largest center. This sedentary living in these population sizes bring changes in health. They bring more diseases that people didn't have before. Poor diets, more monotony in the diet especially early agricultural period. We get crop failures now because people are depending on large staples, starches steak. We get crop failures from abusive land and from improved early methods, which brings food insecurities. Food insecurities bring pressure to produce more for its surplus. The people will begin to get a value on reducing surplus as they get an idea about wealth. When we get a sense of wealth in the society, we get classes. We get class conflict, we get wealthier people, we get poor people and they get to struggle between the two. With this larger social order of people living in populous towns and cities of course there rises a need for government. The state, the rulers, the kings and so forth. These patterns are seen in agriculture all over whether we're looking at the Nasal American agricultural societies or those in the far East or the Middle East. But there's something peculiar perhaps even unique about Middle Eastern culture. And incidentally, when I use the word Middle East I don't mean Middle East in the sense that we know it today from the six o'clock news. Middle East today means Israel, Syria, Jordan and Iraq. The Middle East of the anti-ecological sense. And they call it the near East or South Western Asia, the larger region. It breaches up to the North of the black sea, the Turkey, some of those countries. So it's a larger area when I say Middle East. And I started talking about the legacy it's part of that region and a lot of it was big. But there's some things that are unusual about Western culture, which has its roots in the ancient Middle East. We noticed that it's a relatively more expansionist in materials and imperialists than the others. It has more worse conquests and it has some other features that seem to be not found as much, at least elsewhere. I looked into why this is. And a couple of other writers have looked at it. And we think it's because of the herder culture because of pastoralism. People who live off their herds of a domestic livestock and the, that proudly. And the quote that I gave you suggested that all of the major farm animals, the large herd animals were domesticated in the street. Sheep, goats, cattle, horses, especially are domesticated not far from the black state around that area. Herder people, pastoral people have things in common the world order, where we're talking about the ancient pastoralists. Where we're talking about one today. Like Chukchi in Siberia, reindeer her people. They all kind of have some things in common, common characteristic. These have been observed all over in line of politics. One is that, in herder society and wealth is on the hook. Wealth was living out. It's not seeds or grain in granaries. It's living creatures on the hook, that's their wealth. And to maintain that wealth and keep them alive and moving the water in the grass. And sometimes they run into other people. And when that happens, usually the herders have to get their animals, water, and grass. And we have a constant source of conflict. Consequently, herd cultures tend to be aggressive and it can be far ranging, which is another way of saying that they tend to be more alive and expansions. They also have a characteristic, male pride kind of a warrior class in most society and kind of a budding male supremacy. And this was already there when this, in these cultures from their hunting traditions as well. If something happens, which boosts that even more that male supremacy and several people that I've read suggested that discovered it farther. We got to realize that people did not understand that men had anything to do with sex and reproduction. It was thought to be a female mystery for the longest time. Indeed it was a source of female power, but there comes a time in human history. When we began to understand that men had something to do with pregnancy and birth. And most people and I agree, tend to think that has had to be the herds people. They would, they would have been people who made this folk discovery. That paternity and father, the male role in reproduction. And this would have occurred in the ancient Middle East with those herds cultures where those pastoral people. And they, and those particular societies dominated like ancient Middle East like the didn't know where else, you know, their agricultural centers. By doing so they provided cultural continuity from the old hunting clubs and their male supremacy. Those that hunted cult, hunted cults and rituals. You came Raider and warrior cults and rituals in pastoral society. And then they become warrior led societies. And these become these warriorless societies that the pastoral tradition to become the ruling elites the Kings and priests for the ancient Middle East and patriarchal society. But you asked at this point, some will ask, well, what happened to the great goddess? What about your great mother of all life? The great goddess worship flourish in the ancient world. It did, it flourished from the end of primal society, the paleolithic well into the agricultural period. Some suggest that that the goddesses especially the Supreme goddess figures lasted for 5,000 years into the agricultural period. Before agriculture really consolidates, consolidated itself, to take care of society. I look at Garrett learner's interpretation in her book, Creation of Patriarchy. She says that the patriarchal cultures in their States began to emerge about 3000 BC. That's the first stage. And they have a long formative period about 2,500 years before we get to the full long patriarchal societies that we see in Greece and then Eugene and another places. And in this period and in this formative period is when we see these culture Wars between the old values, the old female centered religions, the leftovers of primal culture. And we see that clashing with consolidated culture that's coming with patriarchal society. We get the suppression of goddess worship and we get the retelling of the creation stories and we get new myths superimposed on the old so that the emerging world is very much different. The emerging worldview in this period, in this formative period is one that's reducing the earlier powers. It's reducing the animal powers. It's reducing the female power. And it's elevating the male powers and the male principles. An emphasis on male supremacy, and male authority and this emergent patriarchal culture. We get to rise, not only of male supremacist ideas in this culture, but also pastoralist myths that have herder culture myths. Such as the good shepherd model for society. You're familiar with the shepherd model because it's written throughout the Bible in the Old and New Testament. It's a major model for society for this period. It presents a picture of the no King as a good shepherd, And the loyal society as the docile flock of sheep around under the care of great King. Kind of like a shepherd plot ideal. We need to take a look at the changing views on nature as this worldview emergence. I need to take a look really at two basic realms in different perspectives. One is nature out there in nature in here. In other words, the nature around us and the nature of human species, the abuse of management. Abuse of human beings, which includes things like sex, sexuality, sex roles, male-female, matters of gender, and how we perceive other people who appear to be different around us. First, let's look at the emerging. We're all the, with the changes that they come as we look at nature, we look at the living world. Well, agriculture is changing all of this. Agriculture is bringing the sacred nature under control. Nature of the sacred, living world of sacred crowd of people. Now agriculture is bringing some of these forces of nature and some of the plants and animals under control. Sacred forests are being cleared to produce more crop land. Sacred rivers are being dammed to create irrigation systems. Animals who have been natures in the world, in the old culture are also being recycled. They're being reduced. There were powers under the old primal culture and now they're being made in commodities. They were totems, but this relatives of the tribe and the old culture. And now they're going to be tools and slaves of the new culture. And to make this transition, this is where the human, sorry, animal sacrifice comes in handy. Animal sacrifice provided this culture a way to, of animals from powers to commodities. If you'll think about society in those days with people living in cities and larger towns and cities hunting is no longer an option. People can't go out and hunt every day. While I probably would be eliminated for miles and miles around those large Eastern cities days. So, I think it was not a way to get meat anymore. To provide meat for the cities, Arden Harris, speculates that animal sacrifice became a handy way to do that. The domesticated animals were brought to the city where they were maintained as a kind of a sacred herd property of the King of the ruling elite. Not everyone could kill these animals because they still had some of their ancient mysteries, some of their arrangements, but they still some residue that wasn't allowed it to just go out and kill them. Special people have to kill them by under ritual sacrifice. The original killing was a way to provide meat to the cities in a way that spread guilt, reduce guilt with the property and they're willing to leave and still preserve some of it. Some of the sanctity of the animal of the sacred herd. And over time, you know, as patriarchal society becomes consolidated as the city states become more and more trade centers. Animal sacrifice becomes cumbersome. It's restricting the trade in commerce to have the really elite in sole owner of these animals. And they had him killed and slaughtered and distributed to people only in the ritual. So there's in a sense, there's a need for a further reduction of animals. They have to be brought down off their pedestal so to speak. They have to be stripped off all elements of their ancient power. They have to become a pure property. So we get a need for even new rituals and we get a need for new beliefs and ideas that will complete this reduction. And I see basically two devices that were used. One, I called it Zachary, which is a set of attitude. Is that three of the words of economy. It's similar to massage which means one hand contempt for women attempt for female. Zachary means something similar to that. It means contempt for animals, hatred of animals and related idea that includes his hatred of nature which animals represented. So Zachary means an attitude, a patriot and contempt toward town with the nature. Well, this idea was brought in the patriarchal state along with the idea of monotheism which brings the idea of God's dominion. The Old Testament says it perfectly sets up God as Supreme. God creates the world. This is the kind of methodology that the emerging system needed. Something that would give human beings blanket permission to use animals and as however we wanted. And Zachary and mythology which established as the idea of God's dominion does brings about complete date the stabilization of animals complete this insulin so that they no longer represent anything sacred. They are pure commodity. This is the beginnings of dominionist culture that we know and understand. And this indeed is the beginnings of the mythology that we know from the Bible. We get a merchant view of human society too. We need to look at how views changed on matters of sex and sexuality and gender and so forth. First sex and sexuality. It's commonly understood that views of nature and views of the living world also include or determine the views of ourselves. If we see nature as quick and as ambitious we tend to say the human condition in the same way. So then as we reduce nature as we develop these ideas and pampered and hatred for the natural world and the right culture some of those began to apply to our own systems as well. So that we direct this hatred to the natural world has control over it or sell them as well. If the nature of animosity out there are despised then we're going to apply some of that to the nature of an Alvie that we see in ourself. And indeed that's where our culture go. So these are the side effects of Zachary. And Zachary that was used to reduce animals from their ancient powers as a side effect of it is now that it affects human existence as well. And then the emerging society and the emerging agrarian society, where you get the idea of care or the beast within, in pain, throughout literature we're afraid of our own an analogy. We're afraid that we might be beasts. If, if we get out of control. The patriarchal culture, the pastoral culture, as well as obsessed with breathing and breathe lines, because it's the source of their wealth. The males identified their bulls and ram and needed some ancient city state of art. We see that the King is associated with a sacred bull or a sacred ram. In some cases became, becomes a personification of the sacred bull or sacred ram. So they had a lot of obsessions with the breeding of their animals and what bloodlines and breed purity and third brand and curating all of this stuff. The wrestling of new creations out of what was once original wild stock, they get the obsession of creating a breed of animals to your area. And of course, the map of Europe shows a lot of different breeds of cattle. Each little region had to create their own distinctive cattle. So animal breeders had a lot of these neuroses really early obsession with breeding brief period. That's a spinoff of their obsessions with their animal. Other things are affected, are that's sensuality and sex and sexuality become quite, not equated but associated with analogy in the carnival part of human existence. And this was the part that, this was the part that despite human sex in this culture, the culture of the ancient world was despised unless it was in a marital situation. And some of you may be familiar with its values right here in Iowa. And stuff isn't heavily followed today, right around this the idea that you can't be having sex, unless you're married and you're having children appropriately that's the only safe, that's the only acceptable sex or sexuality. Although human sexuality is simple. All sexuality, all expressions of sex and sexuality that don't produce conception or back. And that's homosexuality, masturbation, oral sex. You name it. This is, this is the value of emergence in this fellowship. So then a wide range of human sensuality and sexuality is guilt producing, producing senseless of shame and torment and humiliation. It produces an attitude towards sections, sex and sexuality. That's mostly shameful and you know that. And Susan Griffin points out in your book, Pornography in Silence, that this is the very mentality behind pornography. And indeed they say magnetism. It flourishes with this kind of mindset. Some more emerging views on gender on matters of male and female. Well, the main event here. And still talking about the emerging world there in the ancient world. I mean, earliest world period, 3000 BC to 500 BC. The main event here is the reduction of women. And much of Year to Learner's book is devoted to this process. How women are brought down from their ancient state of at least the quality, if not superiority and in some respects spiritually so. I think that the reduction of women during this period is a function of about three things operating all at the same time. 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And thereby some of the female mysteries go with that. The second factor is that, as I mentioned before, this discovery of fatherhood. It's in the pastoral society that people began to see the role of males in reproduction and procreation, and this must have had a substantial effect on, again, on women's privacy because it had been a female mystery, and now it has to be shared. And the third factor, I think, is that this whole male envy from the primal culture, this sense of imbalance of power, enter the female powers, this, too, rises up, and males assert their principles with kind of a vengeance in this patriarchal farming period, and Lana had some examples of that in her book. A couple of other things that I have run across in that period, 2100 BC, and, my gosh, this was the capital in ancient Sumeria, a Japanese anthropologist found evidence of an early female concentration camp, a slave labor camp, evidence of 6,400 women being held in captivity to do menial work in milling and weaving industries. They were organized in work gangs at a point, and they were supervised by males slaves who were, in turn, supervised by others, guards. At any rate, these females, these women, whether through rape or whatever, bore children, bore infants. The female children were kept in the slave camp and were turned into slaves just like their mothers, kinda like the way the modern dairy system words, where the cows replace the older cows. Indeed, it is a livestock model. What's more telling about it is that the little boys were castrated and were turned into slave workers in the stables and in the ship industry, and what's most telling about it of all is that the name that was given to these boys was amar-kud. It's a Sumerian word, and it's the same word that they used to describe their donkeys and their livestock, the other castrated animals, so that the little boys and the castrated animals were refereed to with the same term. The implication here, I think, is that, you know, in the pastoral society, that animal husbandry did provide some of the model for slavery, especially in that period. In the same period, we see this kind of propaganda, really, whereby a female's status is struck down. The examples in our own culture are legends of Eve and Pandora. Eve in the Hebrew tradition and Pandora in the Greek tradition are the women who bring evil to the world. Another misogynist method that helps reduce female power. There's some evidence that Eve and Pandora had been goddess figures of some prominence earlier, and that this kind of mythology was introduced to bring them down, to make them, instead of impressive, glorious figures, to make them hated, subjects of hate and contempt. I thought the most misogynist method of all was the one of Prometheus. I don't know if you are familiar with the story of Prometheus, but Prometheus was the god of fire, carrying the sun across the sky each day. Prometheus liked human beings, and it always annoyed Zeus, that Prometheus was chummy with the mortals. He was always giving them things. He gave them fire and that annoyed Zeus. Prometheus also gave the human beings the best part of the sacrifices instead of saving it for the gods, which annoyed Zeus. So, Zeus deliberated on how to punish Prometheus' buddies, the human beings, because at this point there were only males in the world, women hadn't been created yet. Zeus created women to constantly vex mankind. A powerful misogynist. Zeus was saying, in effect, I'll get even with them, I'll give them women. So, this is the kind of mythology that starts coming down in this period, and I remind you that it all comes out of pastoral culture. Let's look at the emerging views on the other coming from this new cultural perspective, the other people who are different. We have a patriarchal society emerging with dominionist ideas as a version. They need propaganda, they need mythologies. Patriarchy is institutionalized in male supremacy. It uses misogyny. It needs to keep the female status down. Dominionism is institutionalized human supremacy, and it needs mythologies too. It needs misogyny, it needs to put down the animals of nature from their former status of sanctity. Together, these ideas and mythologies that go with them produced this hierarchical world, where things are on top looking down on things below, a ladder of being, in effect. God and man are on top, and women and the others are down below. The lowest of the low is nature and animals, and the degree to which you're despised depends on how close you may be perceived to animals and nature in this new hierarchy of life. But there's always a fear and a hatred and a contempt for what's perceived as closer to nature, lower down a ladder. This show up, this attitude shows up, in the Middle Ages in the European literature, the legends of the wild man and the wild women. I don't know if any of you are familiar with that sort of oddball bit of European lore, but they believed in that, these half human/half beast figures that lived in the woods all over Europe, kinda like Sasquatch, Bigfoot. That figure is a derivative for the wild man legend, that Europeans in the Middle Ages believed that these creatures existed, and they blamed them for stealing their sheep and burning their barns, and they blamed them for everything that happened. The wild man legends showed the European attitudes towards nature, towards the really neurotic tensions that people about the animality that they might have within, a wild man figure, sort of like a composite of half human/half animal because people hear that they might have animal in them. So, it tells us a lot about the fears that human beings had, Europeans had, of so-called lower life forms, especially that we might have some animality in us. And, of course, there was a female counterpart, the wild woman, the wild women, and when the witch craze began, a lot of those ideas or fantasies about these wild women who were running around in the woods, all of that translates into the witch craze, where they were slaughtering women, but from estimates of a few hundred thousand to several million women, 85% of all the witches tortured and murdered were female over a 300-year period, from 1450 to 1700-and-something. So, it was an early genocide, and it raged in a curious way, it raged at the time of the Renaissance. It raged around 1500 and the centuries after that, when Europe was so glorious and was, you know, entering this age in discovery, and even enlightenment, but at the same time, it was carrying on this genocidal campaign against women perceived to be witches. It's an odd time in European history. It's the time when the people were about to set out and conquer the world and explore the world, and let's look at what they had on their minds as they did that. Well, they were already killing witches in Europe, and they were about to get on those boats, the soldiers, the men who got in there, and what sort of ideas did they have in their heads about the world that they were about to explore? They had ideas of evil sexuality. They had ideas of the purity of blood and weak purity, which becomes racial, ideas of racial purity. They have the idea of a sacred duty to conquer nature, the idea of the sacred mission on earth to conquer lower-based nature. And with these sort of ideas in mind, they went to the Americas and they went to Africa, and they encountered other people, and you can imagine, we don't have to imagine, we know from the historical record, how they perceived these people, particularly people that they found in what appeared to them to be wildernesses, wild places. They thought they were like animals. They thought they were like the wild men of Europe. Indeed, throughout Spain in the 1500s, there was this huge debate over whether the Native Americans were animals, and whether they were inferior humans. The people on the boats, the soldiers in the adventures, tended to argue that they were animals, and therefore, proper subjects for slavery. The people back in Spain, the university professors and the priests, tended to be humanistic and say, oh, no, they're just inferior humans, and this debate went on until the Council eventually had resolved it and ruled that the people of the Americans were not animals, they were just inferior humans, and it would be okay to enslave them anyway. This is a heck of a time in history, and this is where the full force of the European worldview was now brought to bear on people in other places. Spain had this document they called the Requerimiento. I don't know how many of you have studied about that in history, but the Requerimiento required reading to the natives. After a while, the legends of all this slaughter had got back to Spain, and the Spanish rulers said, well, you've got to read the Native Americans the statements before you subdue them, and that's what they read, the Requerimiento. And it said, in effect, that the Spanish soldiers would say to a village of aged as they encountered them, they'd say, in effect, we're Christians from Europe, and God created the world and gave us Jesus, and He has licensed us to come over here, and you've got to become Christians now. In effect, that's what was said, and they pretty much explained to the Native Americans, well, this is the state of affairs, you know, God has given us the world, and we found you, and you belong to us. Kinda like the Godfather, they made them an offer they couldn't refuse. And the rest of the Requerimiento states that if you do not do this, if you don't sign up with Christianity, then we'll kill you and burn your villages. In many cases, the soldiers didn't even translate it in any language, they read it in Spanish, and the Native Americans had no idea what they were saying. So, this is the kind of treatment that they extended to people in the Americans. In a 200-year period, after the encounter, after 1500, after the first encounter, populations of Native Americans went down by 90%, mainly due to smallpox and other infectious diseases, a massive shock. Native Americans were not immune to these disease that Europeans had had for centuries. 90% of the population was devastated in a 200-year period and went from 750 to 90 million people, down to five million people by 1700. And then, of course, there's the cultural loss, the books and art that were destroyed. In the Central American civilization, hundreds of hieroglyphic books were burned by the priests because they were thought to be pagan writings and wicked. Only four of these remain. Do you know where they are? Three of them are in Europe, and only one is still in Central America because it was discovered recently. The massive decimation of Native Americans from the smallpox and from brutality really eliminated their numbers for slaves on the islands, where the plantation system was starting. The decimation of Native Americans actually spurred the African slave trade. They ran out of Indians to run the plantations, and they had to resort to bringing in people from Africa to run the plantations to provide Europe with cheap sugar. This is the world we're dealing with, our ancestors. Dominionism today, bring it up to date, what do we have today? Manifestations of dominionism I see today are mainly the nuclear age, the nuclear age, which some think is over, but I don't think it's quite over yet. The weapons of destruction are still there. The very idea, to me, the very idea that we would invent and construct bombs that could have such a tremendous lethal effect, that could, in effect, destroy life as we know it, I mean, that's the craziest idea of all. That's the ultimate arrogance over nature, when a human being says, well, let's just make something that will destroy evolution. That's the power over nature that we've never had before. The environmental devastation that you see around the world, the population growth, our population has grown since the beginning of agriculture. There were five to 10 million people around the world at the beginning of agriculture. By the time of the rise of the great city states in three or 4000 BC, the world population had grown to 87 million people. At the time of Jesus of Nazareth, it had grown to 250 million people. By the 1830s, at least a billion people. Today, it's five and a half billion people, and pretty soon, it'll hit the rate of nine to ten million a year. This is a kind of menace. Our species is really taking over the planet not only in terms of numbers. If you multiply those numbers by the growing needs per person, then you've got an incredible parasite on this planet. Dominionism. It's created a dysfunctional family of humankind, a dysfunctional family of human beings. One writer of the 20th Century of genocide says that many more times of people, many more times as many people have been killed in this century by genocide warfare. He gives a figure, that 36 million people have been killed in the wars of the 20th Century, and 120 million people on top of that that have been killed in genocidal campaigns, like the Holocaust and others, probably more people than have been killed in all the wars before in history. Today, a billion people are hungry. A billion people don't get enough to eat, that's a fifth of the world's population, and that's more people hungry than any other time in history. Not even the people of primal cultures were malnourished and hungry. The record shows that. You can see it in the archives. There is a modern malaise because of this sense of doom, and what one commentator last night, at my lecture last night, called the death culture, and it's been written about extensively. It's not a new idea. A man by the name of Richard Rubenstein wrote a book about the Holocaust in The Cunning of History, and he was trying to understand how the Holocaust could have happened, and he said that the West's religion and worldview promotes the attitude of detachment from the world so that we're able to mass destroy it and to mass destroy human life with no qualms. He says that it's the Western tradition, and that is what? The Judeo-Christian tradition, it sets up this attitude. He says, and I quote, \"When one contrasts the attitude of the savage who cannot leave the battlefield until he performs some kind of appeasement ritual to his slain enemy with the assembly-line manufacture of corpses by the millions at Auschwitz, we get some idea of the enormous religious and cultural distance Western man has traversed in order to create so unique a social institution as the death camp.\" Freud wrote about this malaise too. He wrote about it in Civilization and Its Discontents, and he wrote, \"Men have gained such control over the forces of nature and to such an extent that with their help, they will have no difficulty in exterminating each other to the last man.\" They know this, and hence it becomes a large part of the current unrest or the unhappiness, or the mood of anxiety in modern life. The sense of our own ability to create doom and death and destruction has kinda like cast a hole over life in the 20th Century. A lot of the major intellectuals have written about this, usually in obscure ways that no one can understand. I've tried to read all of that stuff and tried to glean some of their ideas to kinda put them in this book. Many of them say that this alienation from nature, which is at the bottom of our whole cultural tradition, many of them say that this alienation from nature and this hatred for nature is at the root of the modern malaise. Most of these thinkers call for a radical change. That's one thing that struck me in all the books and all the papers that I read. Everybody used words like radical change, fundamental change, sweeping change, sweeping overhaul, everything, all words relating to radical change. However, I noticed another thing they all have in common. They all want radical change in our relations with the environment. Radical change in our relations are our views of the natural world, but when it comes to animals, they have a blind spot. They can't deal with it. They're emotionally incapable of dealing with the animal part of this whole big, mass of nature that we see out there. But I think that, I hope that what I'm telling you is that animals are central in nature, animals are central from a worldview, and they always have been. They were central in primal culture. Animals are a simple part of the living world as we see it. When we see nature, we see animals. How in the heck do we change our views of nature if we're not going to change our views of animals. I was thinking of a book that came out a few years ago by Christopher Stone, Should Trees Have Standing, and every environmentalist knows this book. And it was in the radical state of 1971 when he suggested that trees should have standing to go to court through the Sierra Club and other environmentalist groups and protect their rights to exist, and Christopher Stone's essay is considered a landmark. It's a highly respected work, and he's a highly respected professor. And I think rightly so, I think it's good work, but I just wonder, how would his essay have been received and how would his reputation be regarded today if he'd written, Should Chimpanzees Have Standing? Don't you think he'd be laughed at? How is it that he's taken much more seriously by suggesting that trees should have a standing, and yet it's not emotionally safe, it's not to be taken serious to suggest that chimpanzees have standing, and yet the scientific and legal case for a standing with chimpanzees is many times stronger than it is for trees. But yet Professor Stone couldn't write that book, and I don't think anyone else could either without being booed out of half of anything, and the reason anyone who does so today is wiped out. It's because the animal is still pretty good. The animal is central to nature, but still off limits to our discussions because we have a blind spot. Why do we have a blind spot? I'm suggesting we support this because the culture renders us emotionally capable of dealing with animals. We've exploited them so long. We've constructed so many myths about them, so much mythosary, so much reducing of the animals' powers and the animals' status that we're just not able to consider what's important. So, we go on, and dominionism gets us into worse trouble. We become more and more destructive of nature, we wring our hands about it more and more, and we're in a kind of a cultural conundrum. We need to move to better dealings with nature, we need radical change, but there are too many barriers around the animal part of it, and we start with that, then go back from it. And I suggest that, you know, we really are not gonna be able to come to terms with nature in general, with all of the living world out there, unless we're willing to deal with the animal first. That ridiculous, trivial, peripheral, silly part of it has to be dealt with. I don't have any list of solutions. I don't have 10 things that I can put up here on the board that you can do tomorrow to make all this better. It's not that easy. It's not gonna be as easy as changing your shower heads and putting a brick in the toilet and wearing cotton clothing. All that stuff is easy to do, I do it myself as much as I can. We're talking about some psychic and cultural changes here that are really hard to do, and I hope in the discussion, you can help me find some of those specifics. All I can suggest to you now is we need to do two things. Two things. One is we have to recognize that there is this blind spot for animals, who are somehow key to the whole nature business. We've got this blind spot, and we've probably got cultural, emotional and psychic barriers to keep us from dealing with it because we're meat-eaters, we're leather-wearers, we exploit animals. They're still our slaves in this culture, and we still have the mythology and all the beliefs and devices that go with maintaining that. It's going to be hard for us to consider animals important. It's going to be hard for us to recognize how much they represent nature today, but we've got to do that, and we've got to identify the barriers that are keeping us back from doing that. Number two, we need a new organizing principle, and we need a new directing principle. The principle that we've been living under is dominion, which is a supremacy idea, it's a top down idea. It's a man over, or humankind over nature principle. I think we need to substitute with another principle. I would try to recover the sense of kinship that we once had. That's not a bad idea. There is biological kinship. We know that from science. We know that we are kin to other creatures, we know that there's a degree of kinship in our proteins in our blood, in our genes, in our chromosomes, in our evolution, and why we can't recognize that culturally, you know, is part of the problem. I conclude my portion of the evening. I hope to have some comments and questions from you. Anyone have? Who would like to go first with this controversial, diverse material? Yes.\r\n\r\n- I was wondering if you can talk about the age of blocking with the animals as opposed to that this person was praised for their tree, giving trees rights, but I think that's, you know, a discussion and push for animal rights, in giving animals rights, you know, in quarantine and things like that.\r\n\r\n- Yes, yes, I know, I've been part of that, and it's always been ridiculed. It's still considered very silly. It's still considered a not-for-profit subject. It's not taken seriously. People get all wiggly when you have to talk about animal rights or the importance of animals. It's a difficult subject. You know, that's just a common observation. I mean, I wish it weren't so, but I do think that all I'm saying is that Stone was treated with great respect by considering the rights of trees, but if it was not with them, I suggest he would not have been treated with the same respect if it'd been about chimpanzees. I bet you a hundred dollars, or more.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I was just wondering, it seems that even though people don't like, you know, that they still eat animals and stuff, still feel a little bit closer to animals than plants, that people try to say we shouldn't kill animals because they make, you know, look how similar they are, like the nervous system and whatever. And then if you've got somebody saying, oh, we shouldn't be killing the plants because they don't even have a nervous system. And I'm saying that need, you know, I'm pushing a little bit harder. Animals, in particular, are singled out in nature where there's a dominion over nature in general.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, well, it's dominion over nature in general, but it's been observed by art historians and psychologists and others that animals are really special in nature. They have a special place. Kenneth Clark wrote that book in art history, Animals and Nature. Another one similar is that Klingender book on Animals In Art, and both of them observed that it seems that animals are always like the symbol for the natural world in general. Whenever humanity is trying to depict raw nature, they use animal shapes, animals. Most of the monster stories and best stories, of Saint George slaying the dragon and all this stuff. It's about, well, in Moby Dick, why was the white whale represented? A white whale represents powerful, angry, restless nature against which man, in this case, must always struggle. Animals have always sort of represented the forces of nature. The part of this we discussed in America's history in this regard is we see that the space monster news in the '50s and '60s, as we began to encounter the nature out there, the outer space, and that's still nature, we had to represent it somewhere, and we represented it in the form of these crazy alien beings, you know. We have a tendency to see nature in the form of animals, in the form of beasts. Sometimes the real beasts out there are sometimes monsters, but it's just peculiar to the human mind. I would go back to Shepard and to try to understand it. I think it's because, you know, animals always stood out from the rest of the natural world. Animals, throughout the evolution of the human brain and mind, animals were the most moving things in the natural world, so that whenever we see nature or try to think about nature, animals pop up. They are so central to our whole perception of the natural world. They're inseparable to the natural world, and yet all I'm arguing is that today, with all of our intellectuals at our reading, all of them raving about how we need to come to terms with nature, and yet none of these guys can discuss the animal part right. They just move that right off the page real fast. Don't bring that up, not if you want to keep your tenure in academics. They will haul you off and put you in a white coat. They'll bring out the nets. We've got to discuss this at some point. That's the purpose of my book, I mean, when I started thinking these thoughts about 13 years ago, I thought, well, somebody has to make this stuff more popular, you know. I mean, not that many people go to the library and dig out all of Alan Watts' writings, you know, these obscure tones from a British bore, he's not gonna read that stuff anymore. How many people have read Civilization And Its Discontents? This stuff needs to be brought off the shelf and brought into popular discussion, which is what I'm trying to do. I aim to try to force these issues into the cocktail lounges, you know, and here. Yes.\r\n\r\n- First of all, I really liked your talk, I thought you made some really interesting points, and I think I agree with your basic point about cultural or sexual or racial arrogance, species arrogance, but I think some of your basic premises are weak, and some of them are maybe unfounded in fact, about the plant, or humans being really fascinated with or more connected to animals than plants. I think, more often, when you go out into the environment at whatever period in human history or earth history, the first thing you see more than animals are plants. Humans have used plants just as much as animals, and in many cultures, more so. There are rituals and religions built around the use of plants, for whatever purposes, including drugs and religious purposes, like soma cults around the world, and other hallucinogenic plants or fungi. Another point, the domestication of animals, I think that that is not through hunting and killing animals, but through actually saving and preserving selected animals for whatever use. An example of that would be the North American Indians, who hunted buffalo for tens of thousands of years in North America. Those animals never became domesticated. You made the point about herders being violent. The North American natives were not herders, you know, but hunter-gatherers. Some of those peoples were very violent, aggressive and warlike. Let's see, they also practiced slavery and torture, and, in fact, many of those same cultures were matriarchal in nature. Also, the term you used, musavine?\r\n\r\n- Mythosary.\r\n\r\n- Mythosary, I'm not familiar with that term, but-\r\n\r\n- I made it up.\r\n\r\n- Okay. I think it's an interesting term.\r\n\r\n- There is no word in the dictionary for this attitude.\r\n\r\n- Well, I think that attitude, there might be another term for it among other hunter-gatherer groups that isolated menstruating females at times. I think that might be considered an example of that. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is I think there's a lack, and I basically agree with your final point, that I think there's a little lack of objectivity in some of your arguments, and I, you know, I guess I feel that you're doing a little bit of a disservice by some of that lack of objectivity.\r\n\r\n- Well, okay, let me just refer you to the sources. I didn't bring all of this up.\r\n\r\n- Oh, yeah, I don't-\r\n\r\n- This is from the anthropology sources. I'm not the one who's made the observation that the herders of pastoral cultures tend to be aggressive and expansionists. There are several books on that. This is a common observation by most of the anthropologists that have looked at those cultures. But the idea of the centrality or the primacy of animals in the abuse of the natural world, read Paul Shepherd's \"Thinking Animals\" sometime. It's considered a classic. I relied on that book quite a bit, and he relies, in turn, on developmental psychology and child psychologists, Lévi-Strauss and Piaget and others. So, no, this isn't something I, you know, where I invented some facts to support my theory. I got my theory from sources of others who have pondered this and studied it in much more depth than I could, so I used their sources and their ideas. Anthropologists and art historians have noticed this, this idea that animals symbolize nature. So many people have written about that that I just assumed that it's more or less accepted fact. I would refer you to Francis Klingender's work on \"Animals in Art\", Paul Shepherd's work, \"Thinking Animals\", and some of the other reference materials in the back of the book because I found, I found, you know, like, many, many books that would present the same ideas. I mean, you know how it is when you're doing research, you encounter a foreign, strange idea, you don't understand it, and you're like, where in the hell is that coming from? Then you read a second book and a third book and a 10th book and a 50th book, and you might cross that idea again, and pretty soon you realize that, heck, 15 or 20 people have written about the same thing in different times. Some of them wrote about it in the late 1800s and some of them wrote about it only 15 or 20 years ago. So, when I see some observation like that about the importance of animals, like several books on the totemic society, and it's true, they had plant totems. Sometimes neither a plant nor animal would be the totem sometimes it would be a waterfall or something else, but, you know, if you look at all the numbers out of all of the thousands of totems, animals make up the overwhelming majority of all the totems, creatures, you know, especially bears, you know, and certain charismatic animals\r\n\r\n- Well, there have been many totems out of plants as well including fungi.\r\n\r\n- That's what I'm saying.\r\n\r\n- I agree, but if you look at, you know, like the whole spectrum, if you look at the whole range, you know, animals are way over representative, you know, maybe 70/30, or 90/10 even, right? It's incredible, like, most of the totemic cultures follow animal leaders instead of, not instead of plants, but primarily animal leaders. And in these creation stories, that, you know, when you find things in creation stories, you know, maybe you study it, psychology and mythology people here, creation stories are really special. I mean, they're not just your ordinary, run-of-the-mill myths. The things that you find in creation stories sort of give you a good window on what was most important to these people, what was on their mind the most. I find it interesting that in all of the creation stories, you know, it has a lot to do with sex and animals, really. I don't mean sex like, you know, the sex act, but sexuality and sex, and male and female, with our creation stories.\r\n\r\n- I agree with that one.\r\n\r\n- Its all about the potential that we had in Eden, you know? And strangely enough, animal sacrifice pops up in the Hebrew and Greek creation stories, so it must have been a source of great tension in those times, when they were writing the creation stories. Do you know why Cain killed Abel? Do you remember why Cain killed Abel? That's kinda lost, you're taught this stuff in Sunday School, and then you forget the facts. Cain killed Abel because he was jealous, because God favored Abel's sacrifice. Cain offered the fruits of the harvest because he was the planter, and Abel was a shepherd, and he offered the fat of the first lambs. And God licked his chops and ate the lamb and He pushed away the fruit, He didn't want fruit. You know, God's the Guy and He likes meat. So, Abel got favoritism from God, and Cain killed Abel over God's favoritism over Abel's sacrifice. And in the Prometheus story, the misogynist, remember I told you about it, that that's about a wicked, wicked woman, a disgusting woman and the animal sacrifice. Zeus was angry with Prometheus because, again, because of favoritism in the animal sacrifice as well as, you know, what else he did for the human beings. So, you know, creation stories really, you know, they really tell us a lot, and when you see the creation stories the world over, whether you're talking about creation stories of North American natives, or whether you're talking about Siberian Indigenous people, or African people, there's a whole book by Ruth, I can't think of her name, it's in the reference 'cause it's about ancient religions, about primal religions, and I get most of my ideas from her about the common themes in all these creation stories. Joseph Campbell has written about extensively. In all of them, one is struck by how important animals are in those creation stories. Animals were the first beings, and the typical creation story is that animals created the world, and then there was a long time that there were no people in the world, and animals lived like people, they lived in villages, they lived in huts, they built fires that, you know, they sat around and smoked and drank, but, you know, whatever. But anyway, the animals sort of lived the way we do, and then they brought humans into the world and taught them how to be human, and then the animals went back, and went into the woods and became animals again. Very strange, but the idea is that animals were here first, animals figured out everything, and then the humans came, animals taught them what to do, and then they went back and they became animals again, and the idea is that, well, okay, we owe the animals. Campbell wrote about it in his first two volumes. It's called \"The Way of the Animal Powers\", the paleolithic religion, and the whole structure of society was that we have to follow the teachings of the animals, we have to conduct the rituals, we have to do our part to keep balance in the world. Our obligation to the animals is to do what they told us to do, and if we quit doing that, then the world won't be right. So, you know, I am not completely dismissing your criticism. I haven't completely ignored the importance of some of the other parts of nature, but if you read those who have looked at this a long time and are in different fields, many different fields, art history, psychology and mythology, animals do stand out more than anything else in nature, and it's just one of those, I mean, I guess you could do it by the numbers, you could, like the folklore did. They found more animal-based expressions than anything else. So, all of these things together are telling us, I think. I don't think it's 50/50, you know. I don't think it's 50/50 animals, 50 plants, 50 animals, I think it's more like 70/30, or whatever. So, look at Shepard's \"Thinking Animals\", it's a tremendous book. Everybody goes to that book on this issue, and it's really dynamite stuff, \"Thinking Animals\" and the \"Development of Human Intelligence\". Now, he goes even farther than that with it, he talked, in a similar sense, farfetched. You should read some of the other stuff. Shepard says that there was this give and take with animals and the importance they had in the fascination factor, in the wonder factor, that really had a lot to do with the formation of intelligence, and then speech. Now, he says outrageous things like, if it weren't for animals, we simply would not be able to think. Our interactions with them were very important. And then, of course, you've heard all the other explanations over the years that it was using tools that made us intelligent, you know, it was the prehensile thumb that made us intelligent, and others would say it's hunting. I remember Leakey wrote a book that claimed that humans became human because they hunted animals, and in order to hunt animals, you have to use your wits and you have to cooperate, and then that was the essence of humanity, so hunting made us humans. So, all these people have suggested why we ended up the way we are, and Shepard says that relations with animals had a lot more to do with it than we even think. It's hard for us to grasp that.\r\n\r\n- Well, I guess there's many different hypotheses of what makes us what we are.\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- And I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we should probably explore all of them if we really want to get, you know, what is going on?\r\n\r\n- I've tried to. I've tried do that, I've tried to do justice to those others, you know, but I think, you know, you'll see when you read the book, I can't put in all of that discussion and talk or we'd be here for a week, but I did try to refer to some of the points you've made, that others say this and others say this. So, you know, I tried to be objective, and then I tried to look at all the material and tried to show the stuff that I think makes the most sense. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Do you think that just basic, you know, businesses between men and women and sexual dimorphism had any play in the male dominance ?\r\n\r\n- Well, I don't know, I've got to ponder that a lot. You're around and around on that, and I think we all do. I don't know. I think that that's been, that approach, you know, that's just the way it is. It's sort of a naturalist approach, a kind of a biased generalist approach. I think that's been the one that's been around for awhile. Not a lot of people believe that men are just naturally bigger and stronger than women, and therefore, we should be in charge, but it's not really true. Not all cultures see it that way. How many of you know Peggy Sanday's book, \"Female Power and Male Dominance\"? That's a fascinating book. She's an anthropologist, Peggy Sanday. Look at that book. She looked at a lot of different cultures and she found out, even with your sexual dimorphism such as it is, in my case, there's not much of it, you know, I'm not big and strong, but she found that in certain kinds of cultures, there's a lot of utilitarianism, there isn't male dominance, there isn't a sense of male power, that the sexes work together, not only in food collecting, but in child care. And interestingly enough, she found that in most of the plant-based societies where the gatherers were cultivators, she found that the more animal-based the cultures were, the more male supremacy you see. Now, I didn't have room to go into all that in the talk, but it's in the book. She sees man getting power from animals, whether it's in the hunting culture or in herding culture. Animal exploitation, whether it's hunting an animal or hurting them, needs to be male work. So, men get stayers from that. Men get stayers from that by bringing in that kind of food, and a lot of other things that she goes into I think is really fascinating. Animal hunting, herding, exploitation is more of a male thing and a source of power for men. Any other questions? Comments? Terrific. Thanks for coming, if any of you have anything later, I'll stick around for a few minutes. I'll be glad to sign books. Thanks, Vickie, thanks, everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43449/file/116376#t=0.0,2771.808"}]}]}]}