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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43673/file/116766/transcript/28951/annotation/975","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/028/951/original/AV168035_a.vtt?1622850001","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/028/951/original/AV168035_a.vtt?1622850001"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43673/file/116766/transcript/28952","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AV168035_a.txt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43673/file/116766/transcript/28952/annotation/976","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- To all here tonight for our lecture, my name is Tom Cordaro, and I'm a campus minister at the Catholic Student Center. And it's my privilege and honor to introduce our speaker tonight. In our lifetime, the word prophet has taken on new meanings to many of us. No longer do we see prophets as merely Old Testament soothsayers, but we see them as people who stand up and speak against the evil in society. They are men and women who have the courage to take unpopular stances, and even risking injury, because they feel compelled by God to speak out. And today we have with us a modern-day prophet of this kind, a man who belongs to a community who call themselves the Companions of Jesus. And ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to introduce you to Father Dan Berrigan.\r\n\r\n- Well, thank you. At least the introduction is some evidence of rehabilitation. So I'll take that back east with me. Well, the subject of tonight, I was reflecting today, is one that one finds very difficult for many reasons, one of them being the idea that there should ever be the need, in a civilized scheme of things, to speak about such prisons as concern us. Whether it's the American prison scene in general, or whether it's in a more refined and torturing way, the conditions at Marion, which in many ways sum up the whole scene. It's terrible to have to give one's life to what could be called only distractions to real life, but there are those distractions like war and nukes and prisons and ghettos and draft-file centers, and all those things that keep us from building what might be called a sane society. And here they are, and here are we. And we must, it seems to me, confront these realities because they are matters for very many, as we know, of life and death. Well, I'm not sure... I would like to concentrate in my part of the evening on a very brief history and the ethos of the prison scene, as concentrated in Marion, Illinois. You probably are aware that in the last 30 or so years, the whole kind of psychiatrizing of experience has resulted in a massive, even though subtle, shift in the understanding of crime and of punishment. For a long time in our history, perhaps throughout the whole 19th century, at least, we had this notion of crime as sin, crime as offense, to which offense was due punishment or revenge, juridically or socially applied, at least according to the jargon. And then all of a sudden, it seemed to me in my own lifetime, there was this massive shift in understanding, and we began to be invaded by a whole infestation of shrinks and shrinkifiers. And this resulted in, practically speaking, I think, societally speaking, a new definition of what it was to deviate or to commit crime or to be on the outside, the outside edge. And now we were supposed to look upon crime as illness and into this kind of new void, which was at the same time a vortex of obscurity, since nobody seemed to know anything about these things, except the witch doctors, there rushed a whole corps of these cure artists who were at the same time, of course, functioning very strongly and with powerful remuneration in the society at large. And then they set their sights from the campus and from the great cities on the prison scene. And we have a whole transformation of the understanding, as I say, of this structure, this structure of deviance. And now crime is no more than illness and can be dealt with on that basis, that is to say, we are not now exacting revenge. And again, I'm referring to the jargon. We are now healing or curing or restoring or rehabilitating. There were events in the '60s that, of course, hastened the whole thing brutally. And one could point to things as diverse as the bloody uprising and retaking of the state facility at Attica in New York state. One could point, I think, to the social backlash which attended so strongly on the social upheaval of the war, the breaking down of traditional boundaries of officially declared law and order, the whole awakening to the limits of the law, which came up, let's say, in the South and North, eventually, in the civil rights movement. All of these things made the prison scene more electric and dangerous and capable of invasion by new ideas, which were of course very much at large in the society itself. Well, the part that academe had in all this, of course, was very marked, even though academe is very slow to admit any kind of complicity. What has occurred throughout the nation in the larger prison facilities would have been, practically speaking, impossible without the complicity of academics. I think this can be verified at practically every point. The ideas came from the pure and social sciences, and the psychologists, which were eventually transferred and structured in the prisons. Well, I want to refer tonight, especially to one pattern that emerged in all this, especially in this kind of interlocking interest between the university and the prison system. I don't have really any answer tonight as to why this should have occurred or why the academics and the intellectuals should not have exercised the mitigating effect on the savagery of the prison system instead of reinforcing it. I think this is a vexing continuing question for all of us who were brought up, or who were students, operating under the belief that a certain kind of superior morality or understanding was operating in the academic world. But this was part of a larger breakdown in which the complicity of the university extended also, as we know, in so many cases, to the worst elements of public occurrence, whether it was war and war research, or whether it was the prisons. So we're speaking about a rhetoric that is no longer supported by the facts. In any case, there was one very important meeting in the early '60s between a group of behavior modification experts at MIT, and the head of the prison system, federal prison system. And the first proposal, as far as we could find, was made at that meeting about applied brainwashing, for which they had discovered the elegant abstraction, behavior modification. The idea was to take care of deviance, especially the explosive situation of those from the minority groups, especially, who were becoming troublesome either because they had been in the streets for social change or awakened to that need in the prisons. They were the real target of the so-called troublemaking element that needed a new type of prison. I remember very clearly, because I was in prison at the time of the Attica uprising, and remember the atrocious fallout and vengefulness and spontaneous cries that arose for a kind of super prison, since even the so-called close security places were evidently no longer working very well. And Attica, which was kind of the bottom line in that system, had exploded. So there was a cry for an entirely new direction at that time. Well, in any case, if healing was required for some kind of intellectual illness or emotional deviance, then the psychiatrists and the social scientists were going to be increasingly important to the whole thing. And at this meeting, a man named Schein, a doctor in psychology from MIT, arrived in Washington with a long series of practicalities which were very enthusiastically received by the prison authorities. And they amounted, of course, it seems to me, to a convergence of a lot of knowledge that had been gathering unattended, both from the American public scene and from the so-called Iron Curtain or communist countries. You remember, as early as the Korean War, we were talking about the effect of brainwashing on captured soldiers and others. Well, now the theory was dusted off and cleaned up, sanitized, as far as its language was concerned, and applied to prisoners, which was a kind of new thing, though the idea of experimenting socially on prisoners in America was a very old thing. Could I just say, in this regard, there's an ironic footnote to the Nuremberg Trials. A whole group of German doctors, as you'll recall, had been accused of war crimes because of experiments upon the aged and the handicapped and the Jews. And their defense was of great interest to our topic tonight because they declared, after a study, that the Americans had no right to try them for crimes we had been guilty of domestically for at least 200 years. And they were able to trace this abusive and degrading thread of our history throughout the prisons. Well, now, of course we have something far more sinister, because we are not leaving scars or marks upon bodies. We are working over minds, whether with drugs, electric shock, surgery, isolation, and so on. I'd like to just read and comment a few of the recommendations of that meeting that were later applied at Marion, Illinois, and which are now available throughout the federal and the state systems, because the danger of this and the actuality has proliferated. Well, here is what Schein proposed, and this is only a very small part. I took the most interesting of them, since we have only one evening. Quote, \"Physical removal of prisoners to areas isolated sufficiently to break or seriously weaken their close emotional ties.\" So in that regard, the older supposition, let's say, the pre-psychiatric supposition had always been that rehabilitation depended upon keeping those ties intact. And even, at least in the language of penology, striving to strengthen them during the time, so that in the early, at least in the early understanding of certain prisons, their location near the urban centers, where the prisoners had come from, was very important. But now there was being kind of canonized this business of isolation and remoteness and making it deliberately difficult, in many ways, for families to stay together while one member is incarcerated. And that as, specifically now as a measure designed to keep people off balance emotionally, to keep them lonely, you see, to have grow upon them the horrific sense that they are alone in the world and that all the former ties, whether biology or spirit, whatever you want to call them, of love are broken, or at least are seriously weakened. And we don't have to, I think, expend great effort tonight in realizing the suffering that this involves, not merely on the part of the prisoner, but on the part of the family itself, and the friends, lovers, all. So what was formerly, in the old conception of crime as a punishable offense or sin, in a kind of an old theological framework, is now radically altered. And what was looked upon as a fault in the system has now become a virtue. That's an astonishing turnaround, you see. Well, let's take another one of these. Our friend Dr. Schein further recommended, \"the segregation of all natural leaders within the prison.\" This, again, has an interesting history, as you undoubtedly realize. One of the main historical methods of retribution had always been a certain segregation. Prison implies that itself. We are segregating people by placing them in prison. But even within the prison, of course, there are circles of hell. And so segregation continues within the compound, within the so-called population. And again, what was formerly looked upon or being begun to be looked upon as a fault in the system, that is, that people should be without their natural ties, is now becoming a virtue to be striven for within the prison. So they are not merely to be segregated from the outside world and former life and love and family ties, they are now, especially if they exhibit anything like natural or cultivated leadership within the prison they are to be separated. So segregation becomes a tactic, a positive tactic of so-called healing. I leave it to you to try to put that together. I have never really known a human being who could survive in America alone. And we don't have to restrict the case to prisons, I would think. And yet, if I may be pardoned, a reflection on the culture as a whole, it seems to me a very natural kind of outgrowth of so many of the dark spiritual drives that are at work in the culture, in the society itself, that is to say the very competitiveness of life at large segregates us, one from another, and makes it inevitable that there be victim and victimizer in the land. So I always like to reflect, even though it's very bitter and unpleasant to do so, that what Schein was reflecting on and recommending for the prisons were actually the forces at large in the society, now concentrated, almost like a diffused being brought to bear upon an individual's soul. But we can't see Schein or his cohorts as operating in a kind of vacuum. And I find it again, just perhaps to narrow the wide cultural understanding or effort to understand, to the university that by and large, our young people are encouraged to segregate, to clot, to declare areas of winning and losing very early in their intellectual career or their professional preparation. So it's really, I think what I have come to realize was that Schein had the kind of demonic courage to begin to apply to a kind of laboratory situation those things which are always infesting the air in our midst. A system that, I mean, any large understanding of would require us to say, demands winners and losers, not merely in prison, but in life, in life. And that that same kind of breakdown of natural affinity will be occurring in all sorts of areas, of which the prisons will be one instance. Well, anyway, he would like to have natural leadership segregated within the prisons. And that, of course, demands the kind of lockup that we are familiar with, that the article that you were given speaks of at Marion. And eventually, when it's led to its kind of cruel ultimate impasse, leads to the boxcar cells. They're the ultimate shoe box for the human being. And the ultimate triumph of the principle of segregation, which I submit is at work at large. Well, he goes on to say, \"There's spying on prisoners and reporting back private material.\" Spying on prisoners. Well, could anyone have lived through the '60s and not see that that was a general kind of dictate of the lives and activities of our authorities? We were all spied on. Schein didn't create bugs or surveillance. He merely, again, is taking a kind of cultural idiocy, a tactic of practically everybody in the top echelons of every section of government, and now concentrating it again so that the prisoner will never have a corner in which to be private, in which to have a private thought or a private gesture or a word that will be heard only by the one for whom it is intended. Well, the divisive aspects of all that don't need to be enumerated, don't need to be underscored today. But again, Schein wasn't recommending this because he came out of Mars, but because he came out of America. Well, he has other recommendations in that regard, exploitation of opportunists and informers. He probably got that little one from the FBI. Convincing prisoners that they can trust no one. So the cultural paranoia, which I'm sure was at large on this campus and on every campus and among all of us that were trying to end the war in the early '70s, is now again, made a tool, an exploitative tool against the prisoners. Convince them that they can trust no one. Well, maybe it's the ultimate definition of traditional hell. And the image, of course, it seems to me, is powerfully present through all of this, it's almost a theological creation of a traditional Dante universe. Hell is that place where we are convinced we can trust no one. And if that kind of spiritual change can be wrought upon the prisoners, they indeed are destroyed, as we know. Well, then the building of a group conviction among prisoners that they have been abandoned or totally isolated from their social order. So evidently the aim is not so much at blood ties or friendship, either within or without the prison, but it's isolation from citizenship, you see. It's placing one at the edge of economic and social responsibility, where one can easily be toppled over and disappear. From another point of view, it occurred to me that it was the application to the prison scene of what some of the sociologists have called the culture of poverty. You see, if you can put prisoners in a spiritual framework, a spiritual understanding on their own part, that they are really unacceptable, out of the economy, without political voice, without professional future, then they, of course, join that huge circle of the alienated and the semi-destroyed who are very much a part of life today, especially in the great urban centers, but also in the countryside. Isolate them from their social order. That is to say, make them of no account in the life of the state. Well, that was a very old theme too. We were even talking earlier tonight at supper about the old work ethic of a traditional prison. One of the methods of restoring the sin committed in public was to put one to work, because evidently there was a lot of the old biblical fundamentalism at work. And to be at work was to be rehabilitated or restored or to prove something. One had joined the whole kind of ideology of work as salvation. And of course, this was economically a very important part of keeping the sector undisturbed, the economic sector. I was sharing tonight, earlier, some papers that we were able to get, some secret files we were able to get a hold of in Danbury Prison in which the collusion between the top labor union leadership and the Bureau of Prisons was made evident. And especially in this regard, that no prisoner was to leave the federal system having improved his or her lot in the workforce. But the solid base of the unskilled laborers who came to prison was to remain solid and large, and no one was to be advanced by way of the prison into the semi-skilled area. No one was to get ahead. So that there are any number of these people coming out in another phase or another kind of level of the workforce would disrupt what was already going on, that is to say, the wide necessity for semi-slave labor in the society itself. So in the prison, and with a common understanding of this tremendous rip- off of prison labor in the national workforce, the minority groups were to remain exactly that and return exactly as that, do you see? The bottom of the economy, the mass membership of that culture of poverty, which by now, of course, is a generational phenomenon. As we know, children are born into it, live in it, beget other children, and die in that culture. And we now have this kind of welfare culture, which is generational. And there are large numbers of our people who will be born and live and die outside the workforce, or within that edgy, semi-slavish workforce which gets nowhere. Well anyway, and this would go into other sectors of civic life as well. I would think you have to, in this kind of scheme of things, you have to persuade people by all sorts of tactics, that they are, practically speaking, of no value. That they are zeros. And at that point they will become, from any human point of view, sort of blind, deaf, and dumb, and to be led or to be misled. But in any case, to be passive. And citizenship will be where it belongs, that is to say, in the hands of the elite and the engineers and the technicians. Well. So that's a larger order of Schein, and I think an even, a superior insight to the one before, well, it's hard to praise Schein highly enough. But it certainly is a very powerful notion to propose that prisons be the way of reducing citizens to a human zero. Apart from any question of religion or family ties, just looking upon them as civic integers, you see, or as potential numbers for the next war, as subjects of the vast sweep of the streets that is called the draft, you see, and so on. Well, and then there come more positive suggestions here, techniques of character invalidation. Well, I suppose that means stomping on people's necks, humiliation, revilement, shouting to induce feelings of fear, guilt, and suggestibility, coupled with sleeplessness, an exacting prison regimen, and periodic interrogation interviews. So we've learned a great deal from the Chinese and others in that regard. Well, that's somewhat, just a little bit of background of what actually is in force in the Marion prison and elsewhere. There are plans in several of the states now to reproduce this system on the state level, and elsewhere also on the federal level. Well, I wanted to get off that a little bit tonight. That was just a little bit of kind of psychohistory, and just share with you a few convictions that have come up through friends and myself in the last couple of years of trying to deal with this Marion horror. Could I venture a general statement about the structures of a dying culture? It would go something like this. That at the top, and largely throughout the middle authority of the structures, things tend to homogenize. That is to say, the same drives and methods are at work in the prison system as are at work in the State Department or the FBI or the court system, or the Pentagon, or dare one say, the university. And that vast consortium of destruction that Eisenhower first pointed out as being kind of hyphenated horror of the military and the economic now has to be enlarged. And we have other structures joining that kind of anti-human front. This is why, at the very top, the leadership tends to waterbug, from the top of the FBI or the top of the university or the top of the State Department, because there's a realization at that level that all the jobs are doing the same thing, roughly speaking. Well, that's, I suppose, a statement that some might find outrageous, and maybe we can spend some time on it later. More to our point tonight, or maybe to the point of my contribution, would be the following. That if that foregoing statement has some validity, then what we learned in the '60s about non-violent opposition holds true with regard to trying to do something about Marion or other like structural offenses. That is to say, they will only yield and then seldom, and slowly, and blindly, they will only yield before civil disobedience. This is not to say that one doesn't try everything else, as indeed, we have. Whether to speak of the Vietnam War or of the anti-nuke movement or of the anti-Marion Prison movement. But one does come to a point, many people do come to a point, where they realize the perennial truths of the old Ghandian saying. \"One is obliged to keep the law as long as one can, and then one is obliged to break the law.\" Well, with regard to the Marion Prison, we're pretty much at that point. The committee in St. Louis has tried just about everything else. We, in conjunction with friends around the country, we have approached the authorities of practically every pro-human structure going, from the churches to the Congress. Well, so I think on November 27th, this was an extraordinarily important breakthrough, when nine people occupied the Office of the US Bureau of Prisons in St. Louis and were dragged out. And now their fate is before the courts, if you see. And again, I want to point out a very important parallel. When we were dragged before the courts, our case, which was in effect, the case of the Vietnamese people and of our own poor soldiers, was before the courts. We had a larger platform. And the ante was up. And the atmosphere was now heavily charged with the fate not of a few lost Blacks and Hispanics, but in this case, of many upstanding academic and religious people. So we have a very striking change of scene. Well, I wanted to introduce tonight one of these fine people, and I would like him to speak a little bit about that occasion, and perhaps introduce even a few of the others who took part. We have several of these wonderful people here. And I would... But I think we really know, at the nub of the evening, as I would understand it, that is to say, we're trying to understand an entirely new phase in dealing with an inhuman public structure, which is adamantine against legal argument or redress. Well, Jim Dubert is a student here, as I understand it. I only met him today, but we had a long, long opportunity to talk about these matters, and the proposal was made that the evening be shared with these people, because I think we are, we are beyond the point, as indeed we are at the Pentagon, when rational discourse alone, that bugbear and idol of the university, is going to suffice. And I think we have to understand that some kind of a new phase is in the air. Well, anyway, this is Jim Dubert, who was one of those who sat in, in the grand tradition that we learned. And I'd like if he would say a few words about all that.\r\n\r\n- Thank you, Dan. Dan has offered to allow myself and a few other people who are here tonight who were involved with the act of civil disobedience at St. Louis in response to the conditions at the Marion Control Unit to explain why we would make the step to risk arrests, and in fact, be arrested, and are now risking six month terms in the city jail in St. Louis for our action. It's a personal thing for each one of us. And it's hard for... I know all of us to explain exactly why we did it. I think Dan gave some insights as to why civil disobedience is a tactic and a way that we have to respond to conditions that are morally evil. I know that I'm a senior here at Iowa State. I've been here for several years, and I've been more aware as time goes on that we have to take actions of all type to solve problems. And the university here has taught me that. It hasn't taught me always to do a civil disobedience, but it's taught me to respond. I think that people in the Ames community are aware that we're told commonly to respond to issues of injustice. I think if you take that seriously, and I, like my brothers and sisters who also committed acts of civil disobedience in Marion, have taken it seriously in the case of Marion, that you have to respond in a way that you feel would be morally right for you to respond. In the case of Marion, like Father Berrigan explained, we had made several requests to resolve the issue to the courts and to the legislative bodies, and the people were unresponsive. The Bureau of Prisons has refused to answer letters from the prisoners who have complained about the treatment at Marion Control Unit. So we made one last effort to contact the Federal Bureau of Prisons official in St. Louis who is responsible for the unit. We sent him a letter. A group of us met in Eldora, Iowa in September, and decided to send him a letter one last time, pleading for him as a person in St. Louis who has control over the control unit to understand what the prisoners are going through and make steps to close the unit. We told him that we would be down on the 27th of November, which was, I knew at that time was my quarter break, so I thought it'd be a nice way to spend my quarter break, go down and talk to a Federal Bureau of Prison person. And we also realized that we were gonna risk arrest, because we were to the point where we felt that we had to get some kind of a positive response from this official. And we asked him at the meeting, we explained all of our personal opinions to him at our meeting with him on the 27th. And he responded to us by saying that he would admit that there was a control unit, but that's as far as he could go. Our response was to him that we felt that he had to go farther. People were suffering and dying. So we asked him again, up in his office, to make some statement. Again, he refused. We asked him as a person to make some statement positively accepting the fact that the conditions exist as they are and that people are dying and to make, as a person. He again refused saying that he's with the Bureau of Prisons 24 hours of the day. That really left us with very little choice, as people who were trying to respond to this evil, and as individuals, we were saying that we couldn't accept this evil. And because we couldn't accept this evil, we had no choice, but to sit down in his office and tell him that we don't have anything personal against him as a person, but against the evil system. We have to resist it. And we're gonna stay here until that system makes some response to the needs of these suffering brothers in the Marion Control Unit. I feel very much a part of the brothers in the unit. I don't know any of the brothers. I have a very middle-class background, a farm from Maquoketa, Iowa. And I've never been in a prison very much, except the last couple of years when I got arrested, but it wasn't a prison. It's just a city jail. I don't know any prisoners. My family's always been farmers, and none of them have ever got arrested for any acts of criminal nature that I know of. So it isn't it that I have a personal stake in the brothers there, but I do have a personal stake in the brothers there, 'cause they are brothers to me and brothers to all of us here. And I had to respond to them and respond to their suffering in the way that I could. And the only way that I could was by, to sit there, with the other brothers and sisters who sat there with me, and tell the Bureau of Prisons person that we wouldn't leave until we had a positive response. And, of course, he didn't change his mind. So arrest was the next imminent fact. And as I've said, we were all arrested. I don't know if you're going to understand all the reasons why we do these kinds of things, but I just want you to try to understand that it is one way of responding, and I think it's an important way to respond in the types of society we have here today, when the other alternatives of the court, the legal systems, the legislative processes don't work. I am not going to be able to tell you all the answers to why using civil disobedience and why to resist these evil structures, but I just hope I can open you up to the fact that people here in Ames, Iowa, and around Iowa have made the step to do civil disobedience. And I think that the rest of us here in this community should consider these actions as viable ways of social change and resisting evil. I want to introduce some of the other folks who are here that were arrested with me, my brothers and sisters. There's one sister and three brothers that are here. And they may want to comment a little bit. And then I have a little request to make after they've made some comments so you can help us in our efforts and civil disobedience and efforts to continue the struggle to close the control unit. Tim Dunn, if people could come down here, and then we'll have people talk. Steve Marsden, over there. Tim is from St. Louis and with the committee. Steve's a close friend of mine. He's from Ames and presently living in Des Moines. He's been around here off and on for a few years. Jerri Blackmon from Iowa City, a sister, and Scott Myers from St. Louis. So I'll let any of them who want to say any few words just speak up now.\r\n\r\n- Mostly I'd like to thank you all for having the courage to come here and listen, especially, to Dan Berrigan. I remember when I was in college, it was listening to people who I think, who developed my critical consciousness of America. I've been writing to the brothers for, oh, off and on for three years. And I was compelled, I think, through writing and communicating with them, compelled to put my body, I suppose, on the line and say no to the Bureau of Prisons.\r\n\r\n- I just wanted to make one particular point in terms of why we committed an act of civil disobedience at the US Bureau of Prisons office at Marion, that I think would be enlightening to all of you. I've been involved in the campaign to close the control unit for approximately 3 1/2 years now. And when we first got involved, let me be frank, we were really quite, let us say, distraught and somewhat afraid of even dealing with the men who were in this particular control unit at Marion. We were concerned about possible violence that might be involved in supporting them. And we were just afraid of the overall situation, of even getting involved. All we really wanted to do was try to win a campaign through legal means in the courts, try to support class action suits that were being brought against the control unit by the prisoners, and really didn't want to have much of anything to do with the men in the control unit at all. This began to change the minute we did get involved. We started receiving just voluminous amounts of mail from the men in the control unit, almost from the very start, and began to carry on a correspondence with many of these men. And I think probably the most startling thing that happened about a year and a half after we got involved was that the committee that we had organized in St. Louis was broke and we had no money. We didn't even have any way of even surviving ourselves, in terms of personal survival, food, rent, and so on and so forth. And I think it was in the summer of 1977, the men and general population in the prison took up a collection for the committee and in about the space of 24 hours, raised somewhere between $500-$600 to keep the committee going. And the men who really went out and took up this collection, I think there were probably three, four, five of them, as a result of doing this were put in the control unit for a month's to two months' period of time. So the upshot of all this is, is that the act of civil disobedience, for me and I think for the others, was a real act of solidarity and brotherhood with men in the control unit. We have struggled together for a long time now. We have been friends with men who have been released. There's a number of men who are out of the control unit now, and we have been able to meet them and begin to work with them. And so a lot of our effort in putting together this civil disobedience action was guided by our feelings of complete solidarity with the men in the control unit. If they could get thrown in the control unit for raising money to try to keep our group moving along, then we could certainly take the slight effort of holding a sit-in in St. Louis and risking minor kinds of charges like trespassing and peace disturbance on their behalf. So I think that's the... I just want to share that as an experience that we've had and a real important reason on why we decided to commit civil disobedience and go to jail and be in the same type of circumstances that these men are in day after day, week after week, year after year, for long periods of time.\r\n\r\n- My name's Jerri Blackmon and I'm from Iowa City. And I just wanted to share with you the reason why I went down to St. Louis. I felt like I had a moral obligation to try and stop what was going on down there. I haven't ever been down there, and I don't know anybody down there, but through friends of mine, I've heard a lot about Marion. And I decided it was time that I went down and helped out. The reason that I went in was because of the treatment, the inhumane treatment of the prisoners there. And I think that it's important that we try and stop it now, because it can come outside the prisons into our jobs and into our children's lives. And I don't want to see that happen to our children. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- Okay, I hope you understand a little bit better as to why, at least, we personally-- As to why we personally made the step to do civil disobedience that we did. We're asking now for your help. There is a local group here in Ames, which was formed last spring. And I'm a Christian, Roman Catholic, and faith was a very important part in my personal decision to make the act of civil disobedience. And other Christians and other people who have similar views about justice and peace issues, last spring decided to join together in an effort to work in this community to bring about a more just and peaceful society. We set up what's called the Ames Peace Network. And we've grown surprisingly since last spring and one project of the Ames Peace Network is a taskforce on prison reform, of which this Marion Control Unit is a very important part. The nine of us who were arrested are up for the charges before the city magistrate in St. Louis, six month terms are the maximum we can get, so it isn't anything exorbitant, but we need lawyers' fees to raise the issues that we try to present in our civil disobedience to bring in some of the brothers from the unit to testify about the conditions there, to bring an experts from around the country to talk about what the psychological effects that Dan was talking about are, and what effect they have on society and the brothers that are in there. And that costs money for the lawyers and for the charges. And so we're gonna ask, and we have special permission to do this from the university, ask you to support us if you can. Support our Ames Peace Network and support the nine of us, of which six of us are from Iowa, so it's not like you're supporting a lot of people from way off, East Coast or West Coast. We're Iowa people. We're close to you. And this is... You're part of the system too. And I'm just asking you to join in, in this little way, with some financial contributions to support us in our efforts to close the unit, to be able to use the court system as a way of helping to solve the problems with the brothers. So as you leave, there are gonna be some folks that are gonna be at the doors with some buckets, and if you could donate a dollar, $2, $3, whatever, $4, $10, whatever you feel. Whatever you feel is necessary, and the money will be divided among the Ames Peace Network and the Iowa Peace Network and the defense fund for the folks who are on trial for the act of civil disobedience. And I really, again, just ask you to contribute. Yeah, Tom?\r\n\r\n- I just want to also mention that the $1,000 honorarium that Daniel Berrigan will be getting will be going to the Marion brothers also to help them with publicizing and getting information out throughout the whole nation about what's going on in Marion. So I just wanted to mention that also.\r\n\r\n- Right, Dan is making a sacrifice, speaking around the country to help the brothers. And that's greatly appreciated. We all have to make whatever efforts we can. I know if you don't have any money, and you want to do some more, there's also an effort or an opportunity to get involved here locally, like I said, with the Ames Peace Network. And we're having a meeting tomorrow at noon in the Collegiate Methodist Church in what's called the Cube in the Collegiate Methodist Church, about an hour or so meeting. And we're gonna be discussing task force, of which one of them is this task force on prisons. So I'd encourage anybody who wanted to participate here locally in efforts to help the brothers, and other efforts in peace and social justice, to attend the meeting tomorrow at noon in the Collegiate Methodist Church. So I'll let Dan take back over again and finish. And he'll give you some time for some questions too. Thanks for your time and listening with us.\r\n\r\n- Well, thanks to the St. Louis Nine. Maybe there are some questions from the audience? I'd be very happy to share my ignorance in almost any field.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43673/file/116766#t=0.0,3282.24"}]}]}]}