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Tonight's event is sponsored by the committee on lectures which is funded by the government of the student body. It's also sponsored by the Edward Allen Institute and the ISU collective of the Iowa socialist party. Tonight's speaker, which we're very anxious to welcome has a long experience in the labor movement coming up from the rank and file to vice presidency of his union in this country. He also has a long history of involvement in struggles for justice for peoples. And one of the most notorious examples of his work was around the Karen Silkwood event. And tonight we're gonna hear that story and also a little story about what's happening with the lady room today. Our present speaker, Tony Mazzocchi is now with the workers policy project, doing work to educate workers on new values for the future. With that, I'd like to introduce our speaker Tony Mazzocchi.\r\n\r\n- Thank you, Jim. I hope we can engage in a discussion here this evening rather than just having you subjected to an assault from me about, not so much about the Silkwood episode but about what the labor movement is about these days, If it's about anything. And where it should be going, if it's the survive. But it is the 10th anniversary of the death of Karen Silkwood and I think it's fitting that when one talks about where the labor movement is going and where it's been at, it's really appropriate within the setting of a discussion about Silkwood. Karen's life and who she was is unlike anyone who becomes a martyr looking back at a situation one really doesn't fully fathom who she was, what formed that person's consciousness and essentially what the person was involved in. It's mythmaking is part of the historical process of course, and having lived through the development of this myth myself and having been deeply involved in an individual who ultimately was probably responsible for her death simply because I was the one who asked her to do what she did and then looking at the movie that was made... How many of you saw the movie by the way? So it will help me talk about so quite okay. It's a substantial majority of the people here. So I'd like to talk about Karen. To start with who Karen was and what she was up to and the significance of Karen's efforts to all of us and this special significance to those of us who are, come out of the labor movement or involved in the labor movement. Karen is at least one of the few genuine heroines that I personally know about. She is one of the few labor martyr. Probably the only labor martyr in the last 25 years, 30 years maybe in the whole possible period of real significance. We have a rich history of martyr, of many labor activists have been killed for what they were doing. Many of us know the stories where sing about them in songs. So some of us do most of the labor movement is forgotten the music that they so enriched our culture with and also forgotten our own heroes. The Silkwood is a genuine labor hero. Let me tell you who Karen was and her significance. The movie in its portrayal of Karen, essentially Meryl Streep. We provided her with a tape of Karen's voice. We tape recorded most of our conversations with Karen. When I say we, I was legislative director of the oil chemical and atomic workers union. And it was my office that Karen along with two other people came to. And from that moment on in any conversation we had with Karen we made sure it was recorded for a whole host of reasons that I'll talk about later. It's been my experience that whenever you involved in a confrontation with some of the giants in corporate America, you had better cover all the bases and make sure you document the facts as you go along. In the movie Karen is portrayed as an individual who very late developed some sort of consciousness. She's a flighty sort of person with what some people would consider a kinky lifestyle who by virtue of a few contamination episodes at the Kerr-McGee plant shortly before her death becomes involved, approaches the union and ultimately single-handedly, attempts to correct a bad situation. Well, life doesn't work like that, of course, real life. Karen was part of a collective effort. She died and therefore became the most significant actor in that effort. The story begins in 1972. 1972, a strike occurred at the Kerr-McGee facility in Cimarron Oklahoma. This is a facility that has probably you all know was manufacturing, fuel rights that what to be used in a prototype reactor at Hanford Washington. The Fast Flux Test Reactor. This was a prototype that ultimately if successful would ultimately lead to the building of a fast breeder reactor at Clinch river. Great deal of controversy around whether that Fast Flux Test the fast breeder would be efficacious whether it would be safe. Cause there was a great deal of opinion that fast breeders were not safe and we could have a tremendous calamity if it didn't operate and there were a meltdown. Great debate about the wisdom in building a fast breeder per se. So this story develops within the context of a running major controversy over the building of this Fast Free to Reactor. Billions of dollars have been sunk into this program. We were not dealing with some negligible corporate malfeasance. We were talking about a program that involves billions of dollars and also involved the future of the nuclear industry in this country. So here are 180 union members dealing with Kerr-McGee and Cimarron in Oklahoma this is 1972. Kerr-McGee is a very powerful corporate entity in the state of Oklahoma. The Kerr part of Kerr-McGee corporation was of course the former Senator Kerr, who was the most powerful figure in the state of Oklahoma. Very powerful powerful figure. Senator Kerr had a long history of one of the real power centers in the United States Senate. And Kerr-McGee partly owned the state of Oklahoma, certainly dominant in the appointment of judges. And having that type of impact that single companies don't normally have except in States the size of Oklahoma. In 72 the members of our union struck Kerr-McGee over wages and health and safety conditions. The Strike was broken by Kerr-McGee. Scabs were imported, the workers were forced back to work with a contract that essentially the company wrote. Out of 180 members that we had at the onset of the strike 25 were left as members. Was a right to work state. It is a right to work state. And Karen Silkwood, who had been shortly, had prior to the strike just shortly prior to the strike, had been hired as a new employee. Was full of great spirit, she excelled in science in high school, in her hometown in Texas. And she thought that this industry was an industry of the future and she had a place in it. But she learned a great deal on that pickup line. She became, she was educated on her pickup line. Her consciousness was raised, she was a union activist. She was one of the last holdouts. She was a new employee first experience with the union. And she was one of the last people to return to work. She returned as a union member. Elevated consciousness growing out of this particular struggle. A defeat but whether a resolved attempt to rebuild this union. 25 out of 180 members is a very insignificant number of people especially after you've been defeated in a strike. The local union being only 25 members and having been defeated could not pursue many of the interests that they had. Not only could they not pursue their economic well-being but they had many health and safety problems in that plant. We had some deaths from, it was one specific death, where OSHA went in when a pump blew and killed a worker and a citation wasn't even issued. Although certainly it was a negligent situation on the part of the company. But the company had all power and workers had very little power. So came 1974 and now we're in September of 1974. The union contract is expiring December, 1974 under the national labor relations act which is the law that governs activities of trade unions and governs the relationship between corporations and unions. Under that act there was a petition circulated among the workers in which the workers would vote on whether to retain a union or not. It only takes a less than a majority to sign a petition calling for an election that's supervised by the government. And if one over 50% votes to eject the union, the union is ejected. You lose your bargaining rights. That was the situation in September of 1974. The certification campaign was underway. The company felt they beat the union in 72. Now is the time to get rid of him. 25 members out of 180. The outcome was pre-ordained certainly with 25 members and needing at least 80 for a majority. It looked like the union would be ejected. The union representatives at Cimarron one of the vice presidents of our national union decided at that time with very little hope of us winning the election maybe one last stab at creating a fuss about some of the health and safety conditions in the plant, that possibly we could stir up some activity and have some chance to win the election. And I was legislative director, of the national legislative director of my union at the time. And I was in Washington DC and I received a call from the union representative in Oklahoma telling me that they were sending up three committee persons to meet with me, to help develop a strategy to deal with the de-certification attempt. The three persons who were on their way paid for by our union, on their way to Washington was Karen Silkwood Jack Tyson, Jerry Burleigh. This was a collective cooperative operation. The three arrived in Washington. And there's a scene in the movie when they come to my office, brought there by my assistant who wasn't there at the time that was licensed. That right is possessing. And there was a scene of me attempting to rush out of that office and spending about five to 10 minutes with the workers that meeting went on for about five hours, four or five hours. During the course of the meeting as the workers began to describe the situation at the plant I was certainly of the opinion, my own mind that we had very little chance of retaining our bargaining rights at that plant. I just did not think we had the power. The first thing that occurred to me after the workers described conditions in the plant. And they explained the health and safety conditions in that plant, which were abysmal. Since they had no power they weren't able to intervene in that process. And it wasn't an unusual situation as far as nuclear facilities go. I've Been involved with the nuclear industry since the fifties, early fifties and the situation at Kerr-McGee was similar to many other situations I knew about except in other situations, the union had some power at least they're able to fight over these conditions. Here was very unilateral rule on a part of the company. They began to describe the situation, I had decided that, we'd send the committee to the AEC the next day with my assistant, Steve Wodka. And we'd filed some complaints. Although we had no hope, we had been dealing with the AEC, the very agency that was supposed to regulate the industry was also promoting the industry. And they had a procedure where they use the same inspector who would inspect a particular plant time and time again. And we had been fighting over the years to say you ought to rotate the inspectors because the inspectors develop a very cozy relationship with the people it's supposed to be inspecting. Now under the occupational safety and health act, the act that applies to most workers in most workplaces in America. It's a violation of federal law for an inspector to notify a company that there's is going to be an inspection. It's built into the law. It's a violation of the law, but not not under the atomic energy act. Inspectors routinely said, \"I'll be down on Wednesday morning \"at 10 o'clock to inspect regarding a complaint file \"by X worker.\" And of course the work has always said, we ought to file a complaint every day because the only time we clean up the plant is when the inspector is coming. Now, we're going to go to the AEC the next day. During the course of the conversation the workers were describing the situation to the plant. They say it's a typical situation. Most of the workers don't understand the dangers of plutonium. And the three people we had they really didn't fully understand that plutonium was dangerous because they were told, you can eat it. And there's more radiation in your wristwatch. Here we're dealing with the most potent substance known to man. Certainly the most highly toxic substance known to man. And there were descriptions of workers walking in and out of that plant in a contaminated state. That's all matter of documentation. So it occurred to me at the time, I said, \"look, I think one of the things we'll do \"to attempt to rev up the consciousness \"of the workers in this facility \"is to have a few scientists come down \"who understand the nuclear industry \"and they're able to convey \"the dangers involved with plutonium.\" And I thought of my two friends who I had worked with for many years Dr. Dean Abrahamson, university of Minnesota, who was a physicist, and also an MD, very unusual combination, Dr. Donald Giesen, who had worked for the feds at Livermore Radiation Laboratories. Had done a lot of work on plutonium and worker's comp. And ran into, as a result of his pro worker sentiments, he was concerned that workers shouldn't be exposed to plutonium. He got the boot by Edward teller and ended up at university of Minnesota also. So I called Don and Dean and I explained the situation at the plant. Asked them if they would go to a union meeting in Cimarron and speak and they said, yes, they would. So I was able to convey to the committee. Part of the plan will be to have our scientist friends prior to the election. At least conveyed to the workers there was a problem. And if the work, I felt that the workers once knowing there was a problem of plutonium they really had the best of all worlds in respect to bonding to the union because on the right to work, you could vote for the union have a union represent you, but not belong to it. And I suspected they might do that since once they understood there was a problem with plutonium. That was strategy number one. And as the meeting began to break up after four hours Karen sorta drifted over as I walk into another office. And she said to me, \"there's another problem down here that's of some concern.\" And I asked her what that was. And she said, \"they routinely.\" They being the company and supervisory personnel of the company and quality control personnel of the company routinely doctor x-rays of Welds. Now in this plant, they were making a fuel rod which is just a long tube with plutonium pellets in it that are introduced into a reactor. The integrity of these rods have to be exact and perfect. There is no margin or room for error. If there is an imperfection, you have to redo the rod. She says, well, \"they use a felt tip pen, \"look up at the x-ray. \"If you see an imperfection, \"you just run the felt tip pen.\" Not the situation that of course I had been aware of doctoring weld. X-rays of Welds is something I've run across many times, especially in the oil industry, seen some serious accidents result. It's not an uncommon practice but in a nuclear facility making a rod, especially for a prototype Fast Free Reactor, that was a problem. And when Karen told me that it occurred to me that there indeed might be a hook for us to hang our union head on. And I rapidly through my mind, a scenario began to develop. And I said to Karen and the rest of the committee I said, look, \"if what you say, \"if these allegations are true.\" and they are the other allegations of tampering with quality control data, I said, \"we have a real story here.\" And if this story is, we break this story nationally. At the time when negotiating the contract I think we might be able to keep this company off balance providing we win the election. My job was to save the union. My job was to save the union so we could fight around health and safety conditions after we negotiated a decent contract that was paramount. And it's also important to remember because of subsequent developments in this whole episode. So once Karen told the story, I said, here's the scenario. You go back to Cimarron, but you must procure for us x-rays, documents that will prove these allegations. I had a friend, a person I worked with at the New York times, David Burnham, who had gained fame in a serpico case in New York. Who was now reporting for the times on nuclear issues. I said, I know that Burnham will be interested in this story. Providing it's true and providing you could produce the documentation. Allegations are not enough. We need the facts. She said to me, \"I think I can get those documents.\" So I said, \"Karen, what you have to do then \"is not draw any attention to yourself. \"You've got to go back to that facility and be low key. \"We'll leave it to the others to articulate the union cause. \"Your job is to secure those documents.\" When Karen returned, along with Jack Tyson, Jerry Brewer after visiting the AEC the next day and laying our complaints out before the commission. The plan was one to send Giesen and Abrahamson to Cimarron, two win the election, three to have Karen meet with my assistant, Steve Wodka and David Burnham in Dallas. I didn't even trust any place in Oklahoma. The plan was to fly to Dallas, not meet anywhere in Oklahoma. And a plan began to work. I have here, I had to use that expression. I remember senator McCarthy used to say that all the time. But I do have here not a blank piece of paper but the hearings of the subcommittee on energy and environments, that Dingle committee in 1976 when I testified every document involved in this case is produced in this particular document and tape recordings. I deposited with the committee the tape recordings of Karen in her discussions with us. And once you listen to those recordings or read the transcripts you really begin to understand what was going on. Now, Karen, of course in the movie was this flighty young woman. Who was moved in 74, well Karen was a very substantial woman. She was intelligent and she had guts and I had a choice to make of three individuals was sitting before me, two men, one woman. Two men were married with families. And I figured that once the heat was really turned on that possibly one of them might crack. And I had to make a judgment and any union organizer and an organizing campaign makes judgments. They make a judgment of who the strongest people are, who the key people are and sometimes your judgment is correct, sometimes it's incorrect and sometimes campaigns rise and fall on those judgments. I made a judgment that the strongest person, the most intelligent person and the person with resolve with Silkwood. I think that judgment proved to be correct. Silkwood had the responsibility to secure the documents that we needed to make a public, national public case out of the Kerr-McGee falsification of quality control data at Cimarron. They returned to Oklahoma. Shortly afterwards the scenario was working out. We had the union meeting, you see a piece of it in the movie with Dean Abrahamson, the bald headed scientist. Dean is baldheaded. And that beating went on for three and a half hours. And it's an interesting tape which we have to listen to, listen to this discussion. And also you really are able to shape up who Karen was. Meryl Streep did an incredible imitation of her voice but not of the character because the script writers decided that they needed to mold Karen, in that flighty character rather than is substantive character that she truly was. We had the union meeting. Workers were convinced that there's a danger of plutonium a serious danger. And we won the election. We got 80 votes to about, I think, 30. 80 votes for the union, 30 votes for no union. So the first part of the strategy was in place. The fact is we won the election. Now we have to negotiate a contract that had some meaning. If we could not do that, there wasn't a thing we could do about health and safety. I was at Reno, Nevada at a meeting and I got a call from my assistant and said that there was a contamination episode at Kerr-McGee. As you saw in the movie, Karen was contaminated and that blew the cover. Now across the company, AEC maintained that Karen contaminated herself. They said that she somehow dotted her urine sample with plutonium. And what's talking about plutonium, the size of the grain of sugar. That she contaminated the food in her refrigerator which is the way she got contaminatcy. Once she was contaminated in the plant, she was working in a glove box and there was a pinhole which they also in a sideway manner, accused her of doing. She left the plant after a decontamination process. She went home, when she returned to the plant the next day the alarms went off again. So of course on the atomic energy regulations the commission company had a right to enter a house and seize everything now, cause if it's radioactive the feds have a right to seize it. It's my belief they were looking for the documents that I believe Karen possessed at that time. That was the excuse to get into the house. When we met at the AEC right after her death and I'll get to her death. And the AEC's argument was that she had been masturbating with the baloney in that was in her refrigerator. This didn't come out in the movie. This was the exact charge they were unaware that that was sliced baloney that was in the refrigerator and sort of blew that line. But they used that. That was the first thing they used. There was a whole class that approved she was promiscuous and that came out in the movies. One of my objections to the characterization in the movie was consistent with the line of trying to lay out. And that she contaminated herself in order to draw attention to the problem. Kerr-McGee and of course, the point we were making was that by her blowing, if she blew her cover it would have destroyed us. A worker getting contaminated is not big news. In fact, when we, I think in our testimony before that jury, the plot when we pointed out that she had contaminated herself it wouldn't serve our own interests or her interest and they categorically rejected that notion and certain that's how they awarded the 10 million bucks. But anyhow, back up a bit Karen returned, Once she was contaminated, I spoke to my assistant I said, \"listen, we have to move that scenario up.\" \"Fly with Burnham to Oklahoma city.\" We had to set aside Dallas. She was sent the Los Alamos with her roommate. Her roommate, cherry Ellison, her boyfriend Drew Stephens, and upon her return from Los Alamos, she ended contract negotiations. And we had set up to meet with her that evening. she was to go off, right from the union hall after she reported to the workers to meet with Steve Wodka and David Burnham in Oklahoma city. Now the drive to Oklahoma city is a pretty desolate drive. It's a very flat area of ground from Cimarron to Oklahoma city. She left the union meeting approximately seven o'clock. She had told one of her fellow workers, Jean Young, who I solicited and obtained a statement that Jean said that Karen said to her, she was leaving with a manila folder about this thick, just about that thick. And she'd bounced it on a table. she says, \"I've got them just where I want them.\" \"I'm going to meet with Burnham.\" A reporter for the New York times and Steve Wodka in Oklahoma city. She took off at seven, at 7:15, a car was driven off the road by being bumped from behind by another car. Our investigation I think adequately demonstrated that point the car swerved off the road to the left side began to approach the highway. There was a Culvert car came airborne. Car, turned over once smashed into the culvert. And she was impaled on the wheel. Truck driver, high cab driving down at highway shortly sometime after the accident spotted the car and a body slumped over the wheel. Stopped at the first telephone to report the accident. The first telephone happened to be at the Kerr-McGee facility which was the only building between the accident in town. So supervisory personnel were the first ones to the scene of the accident. And of course, what happened from that moment on has been been well-documented. Now when Burnham and Wodka approached the scene of the accident, much later that evening after they called Karen and didn't show up. They found out where the car was and Steve had it hidden in Oklahoma city and we still retain the bumper and the fender. And in his testimony, there is a description of the accident by an investigator who I hired, O.A Pipkin who did a very intensive investigation proving that the car was hit from behind. In fact, Harry Reasoner of ABC conducted a test later on when he was telling his story. They drove a car off the road, Honda Civic, same car, that similar car, that Silkwood's car in a configuration of a person asleep. Cause that's what the police said. She fell asleep and that's why the car hit the culvert. The car ended off into the woods. 14 of the 15 times that they drove it off the road. And the configuration of someone who had fallen asleep. Silkwood has gone on to history. She died to save her union. She died to develop a situation where workers could fight to have a safe and healthful workplace. She's a genuine union heroine. It's unfortunate that the trade union movement really never adopted Karen for who she was or the anti-nuclear movement did. The feminist movement did. And that's perfectly okay. We shouldn't leave people will give their lives for a cause or hang by their thumbs in oblivion. It's one of the failures I think of the labor movement who had got themselves into a situation where there's always been an attempt to be very accommodationist with the very industry that we're dealing with. And the nuclear industry particularly has been a very difficult situation where workers think that any expression about health and safety and of unions feel at any expression about health and safety creates problems that ultimately may seed the destruction of the industry. I think there is some legitimacy to their concern. And certainly I was in charge of the nucleus section of my own union. And I understood the concerns of workers in the nuclear industry. Because I also understood that anti-nuclear activist in articulating a concern about what could happen if there were a nuclear accident had very legitimate concerns. The point I attempted and others like myself attempted to introduce into this whole dialogue was a question of, yes it may be necessary to shut nuclear facilities down. Yes, if it's a societal decision to phase this industry out. Society has the responsibility and to express themselves on this issue. And if they're successful to do everything they can to see that the industry shuts down. And any nuclear groups constantly find themselves up against worker's interest. And that situation led me to begin to think about the type of transformation that has to take place as far as labor is concerned in a situation not only with the nuclear industry but with industry generally. Where a plant is to shut down and workers fight to hold it or fight against their foreign brothers and sisters who might be producing the same article that they're producing. It's a type of conflict that's been promoted. For instance, I had a policy developed in my own union about nuclear workers. I felt that this industry was in trouble for many years. And I thought there was going to be an accident somewhere that brought this industry down. And I would talk to nuclear workers and say, listen if some Indian worker in Tarpur, which is a poorly run reactor in India with tens of thousands of workers have become contaminated. They run them through that facility, contaminate them, send them away, bring in another couple of thousands constant procedure, in Tarpur. And if there were an accident there this whole industry would go down. And I said, what we need, and what we have to do is introduce the concept of full income. That if the industry shuts down that the workers should be reimbursed for their past services. They should be guaranteed income for life. Now, I think they're wrote it. On a base of reparate the concept of reparations. You see the industry. What most people don't understand about this industry is that the industry is totally compensated. Most of the people work in this industry. The most labor intensive part of the industry work in plants that are known as GOCO plants. Government Owned Contractor Operated. These are these huge facilities, Oak fit Oak Ridge, Hanford, Portsmouth. And these plants, these are enormous facilities biggest facilities ever built by man. Anyway, one acre of facility for every worker each plant consumes the electricity equal to that of the city of Los Angeles on a daily basis. That's the biggest capital investment ever made anywhere. I mean, these are gigantic facilities. So we're not talking about negligible little plant. What talking about tremendous facilities the companies that operate them Rockwell or union carbide and many companies have operated these facilities. Don't even own to paper clip. If those facilities shut down, companies don't lose a cent. They have nothing invested, not a penny. The facilities shut the only thing that's lost are wages and the lives of the workers who live in these particular areas. Now reparations are a concept that is ensconced not only in law in this country but in tradition in custom. I'm a product of world war two. And during the war if you owned a piece of property in the battle zone, the Philippines or in Europe and that facility was bombed by an American bomber or whatever, you went before the war claims commission and you could reclaim property damage. Much money has been paid out since world war two in paying for property that was damaged. I attempted to go before the war claims commission in 1965 when uranium miners who only worked for the federal government died without being compensated. There were a group of women called war widows against radiation in 65. Who were trying to reclaim some money from the government. And of course, we got thrown out of the atomic energy commission hearings. And we went before the war claims commission and said the only customers for this product was the U.S government. And its use was military. We did drop the bomb. We did use it. They're owed something. That concept went out the window. Now the labor movement today, the labor movement, the situation we are in today. We're a movement that's in retreat. We're a movement that I think better than retreat, the characterization should be a route. The union movement is under severe attack. Corporations are all powerful. They're, multi-national, it's very difficult to bargain with the current McGee's of this world or the standard oils. These are multinational corporations. And it's interesting to note that looking at the Des Moines register this morning as I was having breakfast, and I see what is a common store in America. It's a story about Firestone. And it's a story about disinvestment. And disinvestment is the story of what's happening in America. These are companies who've decided not to invest in their particular facilities but to do other things with their capital, either export it or buy up other corporations or strictly a double in financial markets. Disinvestment, this is the lives of the communities of being determined by corporate officials, who are making decisions that affect the managerial community and the corporate community in devil take the hindmost. And this has become what is occurring in America. This has been going on for a number of years and the labor movement in the post-war period has attempted to live with industry and live with corporations by saying we're in this boat together and there is a great deal a rhetoric in the past election campaign by all characters to the campaign about that if we're to save America, we're all gonna have to work together. That rhetoric is empty rhetoric and what corporations have done have proceeded along a very specific path. They've exported their money. For instance is about $80 billion a year has been used for mergers. Not one single job has been created. I come out of the oil industry I watched a U.S deal with dilapidated facilities. The best way to characterize the U.S steel plant is about call it a bucket of balls, which the workers call it. And U.S steel rather than reinvesting in their own facilities spend $8 billion to buy marathon oil. Chevron is purchased Gulf oil not for the above ground facilities, but for the oil that's beneath the surface of the earth. We have tens of thousands of jobs being lost. This is a continual story. You have companies being brought up to be used as cash cows. You have capital being exported. If a company doesn't return 20%, by the way that seems to be the Firestone story. It's not enough to make a profit. You have to make 20%. Don't put any books back in a plant. You have GM moving its facilities overseas. And it's interesting. The wall street journal Friday has a story. Here is sort of the arithmetic of our future. Daniel who is producing a small car in Korea. GM owns a substantial part of it. Reading the article. It turns out that the workers are making about $2 an hour turning out. I just wanna read this. The struggle to improve quality is being waged at the hamburg brake company at Namsa about 30 miles South of Seoul where two dozen employees work six days a week for less than $2 an hour, turning laura's festus and thin steel into breaks. By American standards the place is unacceptable, deadly asbestos dust fills the air. It coats everything in the plant. Well, anybody I've been around a lot of victims of asbestos. Most of the victims develop in places where you don't see asbestified after all you could put a hundred thousand on a head of a pin. A hundred thousand on a headbutt pin. If you're seeing it in the air and coding you have an extremely dangerous situation. I can predict 25 years from now that 70, 80% of these workers will suffer abnormalities running from cancer. And the majority of them will have cancer that's irreversible cancer like mesothelioma and lung cancer. Those conditions will produce cancer. So not only are they working for two bucks an hour, and being exploited. They're giving their lives sort of production of automobiles in order to export to the American market with capital that's been exported from here to Korea. So the labor movement is confronted with this particular situation, disinvestment. The export of capital. And we're being asked to work for less. Now, I'm not going to day lose you with statistics the hours growing late. I guess I got to talk five more minutes if that's okay. but I prepared to document the case that America we once had the highest standard of living where most people think American workers do have highest wages. We're 9th in the Western world in wages. The documentation for that saw our wages have been going down. Our productivity is not been dropping that dramatically. In fact, in compared to other Western nations we're way up there. But the labor movement has failed to confront the situation. THe labor movement has lost a lot of of the idealism and commitment that it had. Commitment is best personified by a woman like Karen Silkwood. And I think our own membership has become very aggravated institutionally. Alienated from the union, alienated from government and alienated from certain corporations. I think this election was a classic example of alienation. I mean, everybody is lamenting why workers voted the way they did, when you have the president of the United States running as a new deal, Keynesian, with a military Keynesian and his approach my God, I've been voting, I didn't vote when I was 18. I was in the army. We didn't have voting at 18. but I voted for every president in the post-war period when I was able to vote. And they always, Democrats always ran against people who were talking about balancing the budget and raising taxes to balance the budget and to wipe out those deficits and Mondale runs as a Republican, Regan runs as a new deal Democrat and why shouldn't a blue collar workers be confused with that type of economic articulation by people running for office. And the labor movement sees their salvation by voting for a Democrat, my position. And I think if you are able to question workers and I have propounded disposition with rather conservative element that a workforce the members of my own union. When I ran for president of my union, I talked about having a political party that was under control of the workers A labor party. Workers would control it. And I found very, I found no disagreement with that concept cause I always thought working people had pretty good perceptions. They're cynical. They don't see anybody representing them appropriately. And they thought they needed some political apparatus that represented their interests. And I think there are a lot of sophisticated people in America, not so sure those 48% of the people who didn't vote are dumbbells or lazy. I think that's a political expression. It's a great third party of non-voters out there. I think people say something when they don't vote. If you're given a choice and you don't vote I could see that. But I think I can make an argument for the lack of a direction, of the lack of choice. In fact, even my friends in the peace movement I thought closed their eyes and years in a debate. I wasn't assured in that debate that Walter Mondale was articulating the cause of peace. My God, he shot the freeze down. I talked about misery he was for Granada is for quarantining Nicaragua. I think I'm like a lot of my fellow trade unionist who are just a little cynical about these particular expressions. So I see that what needs to be done as far as trade union to star go is that we need a new political party and we need a new vision. We need a new vision and we need a new definition of what work is in a society. I wanna close on this. I'm not for full employment. I think I only say this recommend that people go to work in most workplaces in this country. I mean, work is terrible. I became a union bureaucrat because I was an auto worker and found that work was so routinized and alienating I didn't want to spend my life being told what to do and work like a robot. I think until work is meaningful and until work is of human dimensions I'm not for full employment. I'm for full income. 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pay","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=8.02,10.806"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and tuition to institutions like this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=10.806,13.59"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And school is work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=13.59,15.178"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And where's the money going to come from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=15.178,16.91"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a huge capital pool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=16.91,18.6"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's the $700 billion, the $800 billion","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=18.6,21.007"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the banks shoveled into countries","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=22.138,24.02"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that can't possibly pay it back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=24.02,25.463"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's the $80 billions a year in mergers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=25.463,27.875"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are these nuclear plants all over the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=27.875,31.02"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That I heard an economist yesterday at a meeting 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operate\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=37.26,39.15"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's almost a trillion dollars that can be used","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=39.15,41.102"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to put people into institutions like this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=41.102,45.15"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I'm for redefinition of work,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=45.15,47.44"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm for redefinition of what unions should be all 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crusading,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=54.429,56.906"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the crusade that we once were involved in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=56.906,60.079"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855/transcript/22971/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in order to turn the nation 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And school is work. And where's the money going to come from? There's a huge capital pool. There's the $700 billion, the $800 billion the banks shoveled into countries that can't possibly pay it back. There's the $80 billions a year in mergers. There are these nuclear plants all over the country. That I heard an economist yesterday at a meeting say, \"$20 billion absolutely wasted, plants that'll never operate\". That's almost a trillion dollars that can be used to put people into institutions like this. So I'm for redefinition of work, I'm for redefinition of what unions should be all about and the type of commitment that unions should be for. And I think we need to resurrect the type of crusading, the crusade that we once were involved in in order to turn the nation around. I don't believe it could be done through the existing two-party system. The two-party system now is become nothing but one-party articulating an echo of what the other party stands for, and that is how best to feed capital into corporations who can't use it appropriately. And there's no question. I watched TV election night, I mean, I'm entitled to amusement also, and to watch a Senator in Illinois get elected who is supposed to be an outstanding liberal, Paul Simon. The first words out of his mouth were \"The democratic party has to re-examine its position, We have to become fiscally responsible.\" To me as a trade unionist that means more concessions. That means the question of shoveling capital into corporations, and it means the diminution of the quality of life in America. So the new direction for the labor movement, which requires a few hours to talk about, but I thought in his rambling, sketchy outline, starting with Silkwood, I'd like to introduce that for further discussion. Silkwood is the pivot that allows us to speak about like that, cause she's one of the few people who had a commitment and gave all for that commitment, she gave her life. These days in labor movement, if somebody is not making 60,000 bucks a year, they feel they're sacrificing, and it's one of the real problems that occurred. There was a time in this movement, at least when I came into it, when you did make sacrifice and a lot of people lost their lives, and we don't need to talk and sing about those people anymore, but Silkwood needs to be thought about and sung about and certainly be a reminder to trade unionists that we have to re-examine where we've been and where we're going. At this point maybe we could, you've heard me assault you with my own biases and maybe we can exchange some thoughts about Silkwood, where America is and where the trade union is and where it should be.\r\n\r\n- I'm just wondering you keep saying labor union is getting larger and larger, and are they getting too big? Cause such a thing as too large a labor union getting away with grassroots organizing, alienation from workers between leaders who aren't really in the labor movement, for example.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Well, let me, let me say this. Unfortunately, I hope I didn't infer that the unions are getting larger, unions are shrinking far greater than anyone even knows. No one...\r\n\r\n- I mean more in consolidation.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] No they're not being consolidated. Unions are diminishing in numbers, are impotent to a great extent. The leadership, if one can characterize it now, listen these are generalizations I'm making. There are exceptions to the rule, but I'm talking about what essentially is the rule. The leadership has lost contact with the membership. Its lost. There's no direction. It's been an accommodation is configuration. Listen, I was part of it. I was a labor union official for 30 years, and I mean part of the sins on crying about our sins that I've also committed. The labor union is weak. The labor union Labor unions are practically impotent. They're losing their membership. They no longer can truly engage in collective bargaining as equals. All power now resides in the hands of corporations. They're multinational corporations. We have not thought, we have not dealt internationally. In fact, the leadership, the AFL-CIO in many instances are, was supporting in a foreign policy positions, governments who oppress their own trade unions and have allowed these situations to develop what capital gets exploded to these low wage countries. So all the contradictions that were in the AFL-CIO now they're bearing fruit. I see a hand back there. Sure.\r\n\r\n- I work IBP in Dakota City in Nebraska for five months, during a quite turbulent time involving a labor union. And there were labor union complaints against the union, and against the non union, that weren't even heard it would go to the office. And a friend of mine who has carried out trash, so to speak, find these complaints unopened in the trash bag not even looked at. And I had to get out for the simple fact that I feared for my life.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Well, I don't quite understand what you're saying to me.\r\n\r\n- What I'm saying is, you said the union is weakened. So as far as I'm concerned, that union up there is pretty darn strong.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Well listen, if they're strong I'm for them, and unions fighting for their survival. If they're a non-union, if there's a strike and scabs are coming through a picket line, you have to expect that union people are going to fight for their existence. But I wish the story you told was the story of trade unions generally, and it's not. In fact, unions are in most strikes situations. And all the major confrontations with management, have been in retreat. Strikes are being broken. Unions are being broken. And the story you tell is probably an exception. I don't know the facts. Listen, if I were in a fight and struggle in a union, and there were non-union workers there I would do everything I could to intimidate the non-union worker. I mean, it's, that's the nature of a struggle. That's the nature of a fight, but that's not the objective situation as it exists in this country today. The law is on the side of the union buster. The climate is on a side of the union buster. And what I'm saying tonight is we've contributed a great deal to that climate. This is a self-criticism. I want to build it to the point where we're strong and where we have a commitment and people joining union because they know it's the right thing to do. I think what's happened, and a lot of people join a union because they have to join a union, or they join it like they pay their dues like it's a tax. That's generally what I see. That's generally what I've been talking about. And that's what generally I think we need to turn around. I would hope we reached the day where the power of unions are such that we could drive people out of a facility who operate against the best interest of all the people working in a facility. That's the nature of struggles that take place at the point of production.\r\n\r\n- You mentioned about how these other movements besides of the labor movement picked up on Lately, you talked about this third party as if we need a labor party. I was wondering if you can you talk a little about how you would see this third party? Would it have to be a labor party, or at least what it would include; feminist, environmentalist under some arch of labor?\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Well, let me tell you what my conception is. First of all, I'm for a party that doesn't run candidates. I think the game of candidates is whats got everybody running and spinning their wheels in this country. I'm not interested in running or being involved in the electoral process for a number of years. I think what needs to be done with labors; it's got to articulate a coherent direction and program and we need to be able to do that over a number of years. It's not important to get people like that. I always tell people, so what if you will like someone. What changes will that someone bring about unless you have a specific policy that you are able to fight around? I think why I talk about a labor party initially is a party where work is understand, and they can galvanize around a coherent program. A program that deals with this investment, a program that deals with the mobility of capital, a program that says we must intervene in managerial process. We have to have power. We have to have something to say about investment where the Firestone workers in Des Moines should have something to say about those investment decisions, about the company not reinvesting in that facility and leaving this type of economic wreckage. We've got to begin to articulate a platform. We've got to articulate the whole concept of reverse seniority and a redefinition of what work is, and what a society, a full employment society should be like. I mean, that program has to be articulated. So then certainly coalitions are part of it. And we have to look at the environmental component. For instance, most people today economist and such are agnostic about resources. I worked in the oil and chemical industry. I know that many of the things we produce can no longer be produced. If we weren't going to survive as a species, we have to have alternatives. We can't produce many of the things we produce. If water is going to be fit to drink in 10 to 15 years, and if we're going to leave a society that's fit for our children. We have to work out a hope program on what we produce and how we produce it. I mean, that has to be all part of this program but it's gotta be hammered out and we've got to talk about this transition. That's the type of party I envision, not one that gets caught up in the nonsense of running Joe Dolts against Joe Schmo. And you can't tell the difference within two months after the election.\r\n\r\n- What type of alternative form of energy are you proposing or proposing in your sermon?\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Well I think the one thing I don't intend to do is conduct a sermon from the mount. I think we have to evolve collectively a program. Whether it's an energy program or an entire program, there are alternatives. Those alternatives are known. They have to be made part of an economic program. We're suffering from excess capacity in this country. When we have, we have 40% excess capacity and power generation, and we have a glut. I know workers have known about this glut for 15 years. I mean, there are people who never were conned about the so-called shortage. We're talking about a program that's going to put people at work. It's going to conserve resources. It's going to conserve the environment and it's going to make work, make meaningful work. I mean, that is all part of a program that needs to be developed and articulated. I don't see any real difficulty in developing that program. The facts are there. Making it coherent.\r\n\r\n- How do you feel about nuclear energy as a form of energy?\r\n\r\n- [Tony] How do I feel about nuclear energy? Well, I think the banks have determined that question. It's a moot question. Nuclear is dead, because the banking industry in his country has decided it's dead. I think that's now become a moot subject. The question of power generation.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Well listen, there's no question there's an annuated membership. You know union bureaucrats, and having been one for a long time. It's not a question of people being bought off. I know a lot of my fellow trade unionist who are honest trade unionist. I could deal with somebody getting bought off in a corrupt; this sensitive term, where somebody gives somebody money. That's not my problem. The problem is the intellectual corruption, and the the accommodation with industry, and the feeling that we're in the same boat together. And we got to collaborate on a path that takes us both down the same road. That's been the problem we've been in that collaborative configuration in the post-war period. Now we're paying for it, because industry essentially is broken the the social compact that we shouldn't have entered into in the first place and said, we don't need you anymore. And as a result of the compact, the leaders don't have the members to rally. So I think we're going to have to have a convulsion, and it's going to have to be a movement from down below to change things around. We're going to have to democratize, and we're gonna have to fight to democratize our trade unions where people themselves play a greater role.\r\n\r\n- I'm not aware of the nature of the organization that you listed of working with before this at the beginning, but if one of its goals is to democratize...\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Well the work with policy project is a think tank. It's not to democratize unions. It's to talk about a whole series of alternative directions. And, you know, democratizing unions are certainly part of the program we articulate, but that's going to be up to the rank and file of the unions. What we're trying to do is develop a whole, a whole host of alternative directions for trade unions, economic directions, political directions.\r\n\r\n- Regarding the law suit that was brought against the where the money was rewarded.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] No, I'm afraid that's going to catch them remanded by the Supreme court back to federal district court in Denver. And that court will ultimately decide how much the Silkwood estate gets. It could be anywhere from 10 million down to 5,000, then it will be appealed again. And that's going to bounce around for many many years. Many, many years before any money passes from Kerr-McGee to the Silkwood estate and how much will be determined by the courts ultimately. It's 10 years now. It could be another 10 years, but certainly that whole period from November of 1974 to now was certainly reach hundreds of millions of people. I know when I talked to European trade unionist they always bring up the Silkwood matter. So Karen, certainly by her death is gained a type of notoriety. She never dreamed of in life and notoriety of the most exquisite form. I might say, she's a true heroine, and should be remembered and recognized as such. And we're like their OnStar. She won't enter the ranks of the Joe Hill's, et cetera. She's going to be mostly remembered as a heroine of the anti-nuclear movement which she really is not, was not of, but everyone's entitled to adopt their own heroines. And if you, the labor movement advocated that space. So be it.\r\n\r\n- You talked about the need for new type of labor movement, or labor party. Now in terms of that's been tested, you think that this kind of attitude should take in consideration the experience of other communist parties or labor parties and such...\r\n\r\n- [Tony] No. I'm from Brooklyn. I want to make as much coin as possible. This labor movement and its party has to grow out of our own experiences in this country. And I know of no other party development anywhere else in the world that we would use as a model, we have our own experiences. We have our own traditions with it, where we're dealing with the leading corporate power in the world. And it has to be modeled on our own model. I know of no model that we could copy or should copy. It should be strictly rooted in American traditions in soil.\r\n\r\n- So the political parties you would basically won influence the way you intended.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] No, I don't want the party to do that. I think I want unions to be democratized. I want unions with a wholly different perspective, and to have a party as the amputee to carry out its political expression that's developed by working people themselves. I mean, it's got to be a party that articulates, and attempts to change the cadence of the political dialogue in America. The cadence establishing the political dialogue in America was from the far right and there's parties in this election campaign articulated all from the right.\r\n\r\n- That's why I think that labor in general in terms of union movements are basically ignorant. In terms of the way they're gonna vote, through the court and things like that. It's obvious that Reagan is anti-union. It's obvious that Reagan is destroying the union. It's obvious that the union voted for Reagan.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Well, I beg to disagree on that. I'm not a fan of Ronald Reagan, but let me tell you that the economic direction of this country was established under Jimmy Carter. You even take PATCO, which we in the labor movement made a big fuss about. All that Reagan did was institute a plan that was developed under the Carter administration. Just took it off the shelf and instituted it. The whole course. You look at the economic policy of the last years of Carter on a question on all the major economic questions, and who WIC capital accumulation should come from. You listen to Felix Rohatyn and his plan for America. He was a chief Mondale adviser. I'm not about to put down the voting patterns of Americans as ignorance. I'm not making a case that Ronald Reagan... I think what happened in this election was... Listen, given a group of conservatives people voted for the status quo. People voted to. Listen. I'm not going to trade somebody for somebody else who are both speaking and articulating the same economic program. People tend to go with who's in and they voted for the status quo. They jumped all over the ballot. They voted for a Republican president and a Democratic Congress. They voted to keep what they had, because no one was articulating coherently a direction for working people. And a lot of them stayed home and most trade union, blue collar union workers voted a majority for Walter Mondale. They, it was '55, '45 but I don't think that they were real choices out there. And I'm just not about to put down the voting patterns of people. I just think, I think the people who had to re-examine their position to people who really know a great deal and and turn deaf in this campaign, when the candidates were articulating positions that they didn't agree with it. But then here Central America the war peace questions and economic direction. I did not hear anyone who was against intervention in Central America. I might've been in a different country. I heard very clearly that intervention, it was nuance. I'm going to quarantine. Well, you know I'm old enough to remember the quarantine of Cuba. That's an intervention. I saw no one disagreed on the Granada invasion. I think Granada was an abomination. I'm not about to put anybody down, the way they voted in his campaign. I've found very little difference between what the candidate certify, and certainly on their economic positions that maybe the trade union leadership. If one can characterize them as that, thought that their salvation resided in that, when their talking about their salvation. I think they're talking about institutional salvation not the economic wellbeing of working people. I don't tell you, the Keynesian was Ronald Reagan. The Republican was Walter Mondale. Now that's not my characterization, that's their own characterizations. Who the hell ever ran on a deficit but a Republican? Who the hell ever ran on, you had to wipe out the deficit and balance the budget by Republicans? Not in my lifetime. And here was Ronald Reagan talking about priming the pump with military spending. I call it the 3% difference. So Mondale was a 4% or 5%. And Reagan was for 8% defense spending. On that we should split hairs, when we should be cutting that budget by 2 to $300 billion and talking about 60,000 warheads and people are talking about increasing it. I'm sorry. I'm not about to put down working people for what they did in this election. I'm not.\r\n\r\n- For unionism, I'd like to understand from what kind of like of a craft unionism into a industrial unionism, and I'm wondering if what you're proposing is, if going from industrial based unions to industry based to particular industries into way of national or international unionization.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Yeah, I think that you've asked a key question. We are going through a profound economic transformation, in my opinion. I think those who talk about the transformation similar to that, that occurred in the industrial revolution. I share that opinion. We're dealing with an integrated world economy. It's just ludicrous to think that there was such a thing as an American company. I know in the companies I sit with, if you've said \"you're an American company\", they're first to correct you and say, \"we're an international companies\". We cannot bargain with multinational entities on a national basis. There is no way that this labor movement can survive unless it becomes internationalized. And we deal with our brothers and sisters who worked for the same corporations. And we talk about common termination dates. And we talk about common economic actions. We can't deal with them. You have the standardization of parts and materials all over the world. The shift in production that takes place. Do you want to work as if it were the last of the unions who could really shut down an industry? Probably is the last time they can do that. Five years from now, I'm afraid you're dealing truly with a world industry. The parts, the way things are produced, where they're produced, the integrated nature of production the way financial institutions work. We need true international unions. Our tactics have to change totally with dealing with a changing workforce. And we're dealing with a workforce that's being impoverished. You know, employment figures don't mean anything. I mean, Reagan was spilling off how many people got jobs. Sure. There were workers in the oil industry making 16 bucks an hour, and lost their jobs and making $4 an hour. And they will never make $16 an hour again. And I grew up in a labor movement where we always talked about more. This is the first time when the entire labor movement goes to the table, and essentially negotiates the terms of surrender. It's how much you're going to give up. Nobody gets more, no one, everyone is giving something up, and that's what the future portends. So what the both political parties tell us we have to compete by earning third world wages with the third world. That's the path that's being laid out for us. So we need an international labor movement truly. And we need a labor movement that recognizes this tremendous social transformation and develops a fighting program. And has a mechanism to carry out the political especially, because a lot of it's going to be political- redefinition of work. I, this is- there was no way in this type of economic system in which we're going to have full employment. In fact, after the next recession, which is coming. We'll come out of it with nine to 10% permanent unemployment, not to count under employment, and not to count the fact that there'll be even a larger reservoir of people earning diminished wages. So in view of that we've got to think in totally new terms, totally new terms. And it's going to require a great deal of struggle and no easy formulas, but we all have to work together. The happy slave syndrome is I characterize many of the programs. You know, we're gonna have to be like the Japanese and you know and really all sing songs as we go to work and and decide how we divvy up the boring jobs. I worked in the auto industry and I know what that industry is about. And I've worked in mass production industries, and all these fancy schemes that they're trying to lay out is not giving any power to working people. Is but attempting to allow them to decide what color they should paint the bathroom.\r\n\r\n- Last question.\r\n\r\n- Don't you think that rugged individualism, and our hope that were the ones who gets up in class, be one of the rich ones is still being held on to us, and so I see your job is pretty hard to get them to work. Because when our governor thinks that Iowa needs more jobs so he wants to go to Remsen, and get 150 jobs and move over here. I don't know what he thinks the people in Remsen are gonna do, and then they sent people to China, and they found that they'll work for 30 cents an hour for their own people right now, but they said they'll work for Americans for a dollar now, and I thought my gosh we're not gonna have enough jobs left in Iowa pretty soon.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Listen, I don't. I believe the myth of rugged individualism is not shared by many people. In fact, I haven't met anybody who thought.\r\n\r\n- Yes, well they don't care unless... the man from Firestone got interviewed on television. And he says, I'm going to go and remind y'all if you've done this two days before he lost his job.\r\n\r\n- [Tony] Now what you're talking about, yes. I think in view of the fact that we don't have you know, a cause movement commitment to movement as far as the labor movements going and you have a lot of alienation, people tend to look only after themselves, and not look after themselves. Think in terms of themselves, you know, and the lack of a real collective approach, that's a natural outcome. It's a survival mentality. It's one of the things we have to overcome but I think we have to overcome it with a coherent program that spells out a direction. I believe that working people will mobilize around a program that addresses in terms that they understand and can mobilize around. American workers have a rich tradition of struggle. I have great faith in our ability to fight. If we have a direction, we've proven that. I think Americans when they're involved in struggles certainly even exceed their European brothers and sisters. We have the ability and tenacity to conduct long-term struggles, we have. But the lack of coherence, the lack of direction a lack of leaders to say, this is where we have to go. And we have to go at the expense of someone, the expense of corporate America. Not that we're in it together. We've got- of course it's got to come at someone's expense. It's got to come at the expense to those who have, and not that those who don't have, there's just no way in which we're going to advance the interest of the overwhelming majority of the American people by saying it's like the tax debate, right? You know, we're going to simplify the taxes. If no one's going to pay more tax, they're going to simplify. So those that don't have it, are going to pay more than those that do have it. I mean, that's the way things work. We have a program, people relate to it. They'll struggle around it. It'll be a fight. Those who have don't give up what they have very easily, that's the thing. But what's the alternative? The alternatives, in my opinion, is the third worldiznation of America. The diminution of living standards. They won't be a farmer left in this state, except big agribusiness interests. The farmers will end up in the cities, in the ghettos that I'm familiar with. And you're gonna have a lot of people floating around looking for work in this country, competing with the largest employer who's McDonald's in America for starvation wages. That's the proposal of the major political parties today.\r\n\r\n- Thank you all for coming. If you'd like to talk with Tony personally, he'd probably be willing to stay around and talk some more, but thank you again for attending.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36684/file/105855#t=0.0,1805.376"}]}]}]}