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Ecology, Environmental Studies, The Graduate College, The Pearl Whole Group Fund, and The Committee On Lectures for sponsoring Stanley Plumly and Deborah Digges this evening. The first time I became attracted to Deborah Digges' poetry, I heard her reading in a tiny chapel where I had previously only been to weddings. There was something ethereal about the setting and the poems themselves. And I particularly remember a poem about birds building in nest from discarded computer cards, and emblematic weaving of a beautiful utilitarian object from the remnants of our technological society. Then when Deborah's first book \"Vesper Sparrows\" was published by Atheneum in 1986, for which he was awarded a Guggenheim, Ingram-Merrill, National Endowment for the Arts Fellowship and the Delmore Schwartz Award. I was delighted to see that same image of the bird, that idea of transcendence unify the collection as Deborah explored the changing world of nature and the changing nature of the human family. Deborah grew up in a medical family of doctors and nurses and she is one of the few poets I know to include the scientific world in her poems. She definitely flies us from galaxy to galaxy from Galileo to Darwin, to her father's cancer clinic in Missouri, and leaves the reader closer to the stars in the heavens or staring into the pointed clusters of lilac blossoms. Deborah's second book, just out from canuck, \"Late in the Millennium.\" And we have some copies left still for sale on the table. Get them they're going fast. \"Late in the Millennium,\" evolves toward an even richer voice, a stronger stance. A line on the back cover nicely describes her growth. This her second book shows clearly her very rapid advance over that impressive first collection. Many of this books concerns have here to before considered masculine subjects. It is fascinating to see how they appear in a strong feminist perspective. Please welcome Deborah Digges.\r\n\r\n- We got a little lost in the parking garage. That's all. Let me start out with a poem called, \"Sycamores.\" And do you have a lot of sycamores around here? Those big, tall white trees that drop lots of bark and generally, cause a lot of trouble. As if their height had taught them the startling shyness like a boy grown taller than his mother. The sycamores have turned not quite a handful of colors. They make me think of the years I've lived on false hope the wrong questions, sending my children out each morning like mortal wishes, smiling, waving then desolate in their absence I laid down whole days and slept. Once when I drove to California, a shirt tied by its arms to a tree became all I couldn't love or could not myself be loved by. Before you can let go, there is this last terrible embracing. One winter, I loved a boy years younger than I am. In his arms like leaning against the saplings of my childhood. I used to watch the aging sun usher into our room bird shadows and the softened twiggy shadows of the tops of trees and swarm his thin face as he went easily inside me smiling since he knew what I watched. Now, when I remember him like so many strangers mouthing directions over and over until I've reached my destination or stuck in traffic, hear some cheap love songs so deeply, I'm silenced. I think our lives hold many futures. Each one is random as intended. The way two friends of mine met accidentally in a foreign city and shared a meal and came to love each other. Among the passionate that contrasts of the enduring world among the dogwoods and sumac, scarlet maple's branches. The sycamores are almost empty this morning. They're white limbs highest against the blue November sky as though they'd been called back already through the sarcophagi stained wood and the house on fire and the shipwreck drifting. Sure word and the locked door. Like the trees of the afterlife here along this hillside. And there are numerous, enormous, unflattenable leaves. . I don't know how many of you are from this area. I was born raised in Missouri, not far from here. About the middle of the state in Jefferson City, little town on the river. And I've been away from Jefferson City for many years. And it's a funny thing how when you're away from a place, in fact Stanley and I was saying this about driving into Iowa today. You're away from a place for a long time, it begins to take on sort of the proportions or dimensions of myth in your imagination. So that when you come back to it it's almost like you're sort of the, it's the afterlife and you're some sort of ghost haunting the old, old places. This is a poem called \"Wahakan stories\" which I guess celebrates the fact that all nine of my brothers and sisters and I, and my parents too are still alive, which seems to make the older I get sort of amazing that we should all be alive at once. . Tonight, your father brings down from the mountains a secret hidden in a hassock under pintadas and cheap pottery bowls. And when he soaked it a week in the big sink in the basement rolled its teeth like dice and brushed them clean of the ancient clay. He lets you help him wire the jaw together, work its mouth to greet you from another century. Then toss that small skull hand to hand to gauge. He says, 'how tall was this lost wanderer?' A little wind from his juggling stirring, the naked bold his features suddenly articulate against a condor shadow. Which is why in his orchards you pretend you were orphans, building lean-tos along some bowel below the tracks where you watch for the hobos to leap from the trains. Their dead fires scarring the sand stone by the pond. A piece of mossy shirt, no less to you than the glass from their whiskey bottles you hold to your eyes like spectacles towards the afterlife of color. Brown sky, clouds, the sun, and seem have gone timeless. And if before sleep, you put your faces in your hands. Feel the bones that are anonymous, as charred wood scattered on a shoreline, some stranded tribe, long since moved inland, following the flocks like secret, who tasting the heart of a dragon, knew the language of birds. So hacked a life out of the thickets, out of the earth itself a room whose windows framed the faces of the enemy. Only the blood remembers. It is to practice this loving for nothing, but the future. Here are your brothers smiling in photographs above their first cadavers. And here your sisters broken into women, now entering another strangers dream. And here's the story of 12 of you growing up alive at once walking the summer orchid that by some trick of nature blossomed in spite of a late freeze. And it's as though you've come to the end of your beliefs to see those trees as swarm with Kingbird, Jays and wax wings, sparrows, robbins, swallows, starlings feeding in the top branches are broadcast where the fruit rots on the ground. A thousand or more calling back in the racket of wings and leaves the long line of extinctions, premonitions. The great mythical birds. It's as though from now on whatever holds you, beauty or failure, the litany of one another's names whatever holds you means to let you go, the flesh already slackening on your big, Dutch moralistic bones. Your parents turning back to the house you were born in, not without waving, not without stumbling over the onion grass. Less than a mile from the place you stood on someone's shoulders for the first time, finding your echo and called and called toward the river and that night, and for some time after slept poorly, woke crying for the ones lost on the other side.\" It's a little poem about my mother called, \"The Rocketts.\" It's a short thing here. For some reason, people like to know whether this poem is true or not. Yeah, it matter sometimes. And this is true. It's true. My mother danced with the Rockettes one spring just to earn she said, a little extra money after her daytime job nursing the sick in their homes, some of them dying during the night. They called her, Geneva. She kissed them danced with the Rocketts one spring, each time she locked arms, she had a saying, \"Compassed about with so great a cloud.\" A repertoire of greetings, smiles, bows, nursing required it and getting through an evening, knowing any minute now, stamina. So she danced hard with the Rockettes one spring. And in Missouri years inland, she'd sing to the cancan over our wild hurrahs, lift high, her long, lovely legs, old nursing cap flying as though she were rehearsing with her six daughters who shouted, 'Viv La Vie!' as we danced like the Rockettes one spring breathless, she rocked the baby flushed, nursing.\" We will read a couple of new poems now, Poets are always tempted to read their new poems. They like to be surprised, I guess. Sometimes badly surprised. I spent the last year. Well, actually the last six months, the last term, actually in London. And I'll just set the poem up a little bit by saying that my husband and son and I wanted to move back to the same street that we'd lived some years ago because of this great park across the street. And... when we got over there about 8:00 am still dark, we realized that the park had been completely torn up and that it was all being excavated, as we arrived. So this poem is called, \"Blue Willow.\" The great part to our disappointment was plowed under the soccer and the cricket fields and the gazebo dismantled. Far left, and what we had remembered as the gardens, all the dedicated benches with their little metal plaques to my husband, John who loved these roses, faced the excavations like galleries set up before an execution. It was a perfect end to a troubled year. Though nobody died, my mother would have said on such a January morning, a year like a corridor, the doors is a jar. The way we held each other only after nightmares. Not until late afternoon did we see it since once led in our flat. Against advice we'd fallen into bed to wake at sunset, still exhausted, jet lagged, the park torn up black soil, but something flashed in the furrows and flashed again a little further out. In the last of the daylight I dressed and climbed the fence touch down backwards and is my good shoes filled with mud, I saw the lights in the China and the glass. I picked my way halfway across the field, filling my pockets then turned to wave to you, \"Bring bags,\" I called. \"Just bring them to the fence\", but you climbed over too. By evening, we'd collected hundreds. We soaked them in the tab, clay pipe bowls and porcelain dresser knobs too much black glass. And your favorites. The white marble fragments is from an urn. The best of the China we agreed board, no insignia. Though we thought we recognized devise a Lennox, the blue Willow, a ragged portrait of those famous at gardens floated up from the basle tilt toward us in the little bridge, the pagoda in the distance. The next morning we were out again. This time with baskets, the neighbors stood on their balconies and watched or put on boots and joined us. From the asphalt path. A man pushing his wife in a wheelchair shouted. She'd found a pottery platter lip bordered by butterflies. She gave it to me later when we lay our fines on the benches, thinner husband recalled the bombings. See there, he gestured with a muddy pain. These're all replaced, and we looked across the park to our windows. \"My Amaryllis.\" So this is the day the fat boy learns to take the jokes by donning funny hats. My Amaryllis my buffoon of a flower your four white bullhorn blossoms like the sirens in a stadium through which the dictator announces he's in love. Then he sends out across the land. A proclamation, there must be music. There must be stays of execution for the already dying. That's how your pulpy sex and does me and your seven leaves, Unsheathed.How you diminish my winter windows and beyond them the Atlantic, how you turn my greed. Ridiculous. Now it's as if I could believe in having children after 40 or walking these icy streets greet sullen strangers like a host of former selves. So I ask them in of course, and listen like one forgiven to their crimes, dance with us and all our secrets dance with us until our lives like death squads sent to an empty house put down finally their weapons peruse the family portraits admire genuinely the bride, stay with me in this my exile or my returning is it to love the tyrant one more time. Oh, my Lilly, my executioner a little stooped here listing you are the future bending to kiss the present like a sleeping child.\" I'll read a couple more here. I have a sort of, I'm a sucker for a particular form which is this form called a sestina, It's a, I see some of you have had to write one. It's a originally a French form that was picked up by the Italians. And it, it's hard to explain but what you have to do is you have six end words for every stanza and you have to repeat those words in a different order in each following stanza. And then finally finish off the poem with an onboard. Well, I've written a whole lot of these things, you know because sometimes you get six lines and you can't go any further. So you ended up turning it into a sestina. But , I decided that I wanted to do something more with the form, sort of invent a form. And so I took seven words actually the taxonomy scale kingdom phylum class order, family genus species. And the interesting thing happened. I ended up making 14 line stanzas because I used them every other line. But the word, I think it, is the fifth word was sort of like the center of the wheel. It never changed in the order so to start. This poem is actually a poem in voices. Most of which you'll recognize I think actual literal quotes from a number of people which I think is indicated in the poem. It's called \"Rock Scissors Paper\". And I don't know how many of you know the game rock scissors paper. I took the title from a little piece. I read like Primo levy, the Italian chemist who died not long ago, who had done a little review of an international children's games book. And in this book, he explains that rock scissors paper is one of the most international and the oldest of games, which I think is interesting. And I think probably because it's, non-verbal, you know it's something that everyone hasn't sure enough, I tried it out on this Russian poet who'd never been out of Moscow. He came to Tufts in the fall and I asked him right away if he knew the game, he knew exactly what I was talking about that proves Levi's point. Poor guy, you know? So this poem is called \"Rock Scissors Paper\". It's a little long. So if you need to scratch, I understand. \"It ended when he popped one of the three of the order coleoptera in his mouth, two hands weren't enough, even for Darwin, he stares at a yellow flower for minutes at a time, his family don't know what to do with him. The Beatles stung his tongue and like the dragon angel who spit out the name of the fallen world's new genus. As he waded in an orchard through paradisaical weeds Darwin's spat by a tree and laughed son of the theological classes. Now think of the mindset Freud as the eternal city as if angel could mean messenger or coin and phylum tribe. Think of the palaces of the Caesars on the palentine next to the temples of the gods. So many kingdoms piling up, not one destroyed residing whole and every sort of traffic there. The Tiber clogged. Our species dreams across those rooftops. Why aren't we happy? Like Marx's universal arming of the people. A species crowded out imagining itself reborn above a rubble. And yet the places wrote Darwin, which most order my thoughts are those boundless stratified as the nine legions of angels, places without habitation without trees, a kingdom of food gatherers, the fire bearers upright before the herds. see how they're moving towards the sea. Each lamp represents a family along the lava beach. The nets they throw into the shallows can not contain their origins. They're happy here, a class which has radical chains which is the dissolution of all classes. Freud, And do you remember how, when we were young we used day after day to walk Vienna's streets reciting Psalms as though the genus of our race weren't something to be spat upon, and on Sundays we'd go to the museums, peruse the fossils, name their phylums in the long list of extinctions,brother. Now, here we are in Athens. We've come a long way. As far as Babel from the new linguistic phylums. Europe's alive with talk outside the the Prater they're burning books, The Talmud, the origin of species and minE on jokes. What company? The fires aluminate the ring of faces. White with fear, fear's geniuses. Rock smashes scissors, scissors cut paper, paper covers rock. And the rest I shall set in order when I come No one knows the name of the ferryman whom the good luck child advised a precursor to the working classes. I'm tired, he cried of rowing. How do I get off this river? \" When you reached the far shore.\" Said the heir to the kingdom \"leap off!\" Hand your pole to your passenger. Marx, in its earliest phases society took the form of the family, the tribe on what foundations are the present families of the bourgois based? On capital. On private gain. When the gods changed two Athenian sisters into birds, Philomela became a nightingale. But could she sing without her tongue? And did she know her sister the swallow, whose kingdom is the evening who does not sing? Cruelty, arises from the instinct for mastery, a trait not peculiar to our species. And even birds Darwin, have vivid dreams a left and a right cerebral hemisphere. Their songs are learned and can be classified by dialect. A Northern and a Southern Sparrow trill, a slightly different series. We have our orders sang the young officers who took Anna Freud away. I knew then, dying or not that we must leave the genes hold the journey at the base of the cranial vault, hunger, thirst, wanting, what is called fight or flight at ignite the pulse, the genie in the lamp. When we stood up, we lost our way. Near 80 Anna Freud deceased, narrates home movies of the family in which she is a girl bringing her father flowers she's picked, she says, from her cousin's country gardens. The orders came that spring. The women there, they are my father's sisters, died in the camps. The ones waving see? And the children beside them. Phylloid their names on the tree diagrammed in the museum, set under glass,protected from a million fingerprints, each thumb's swirl classified at birth, black at the center at the crow-eye of the funnel. As children, we made faces on our fists, some cross species, two blind eyes below the knuckle along the metacarpal index, the thumb and awful mouth an old man's tortoises saying, then shall the kingdom be likened unto a vineyard or heavens a wedding? It's exactly like a tree. Heaven's a door. The kingdom is like a man traveling in a far country as if to make a marketable value out of virtue, love, et cetera. Heaven's congenital. In fact, the hand man sang, I want to marry a lighthouse keeper, and live by the side of the sea as though he were a specialist of dreams, god of the big and the little shipwrecks, his mouth torn open, half-dead, half-grinning, whispering the family names, generation by generation, like the keepers of the flame, those listed on brass plaques, greening on any light house an extinct class. And the robot beams clicks on clicks off above you or the fog horn blasts through the chlorophylled air, blasts through you merely matter, scissors cut paper, who can not fall out of this world. And if I cannot order for myself freud, this oceanic feeling, there's not a little that is ancient still buried in the soil of the ordained city. Here's the church, here is the steeple, here the cave whose rock swellings form the animals haunches The kingdoms indivisible where the artists lay his hand under the herds and through the blow pipe spit his signature. Even the phyllode moons of his fingernails erased by his pigments made from pollen, dirt, flower petals, blood, the colors fired and classified on a wheel like a cornea, blind to itself. On the other side, we'll know the shaman by his blackend hand. As here, his genius cannot fill the five fingered emptiness By my life, listen, Marx, I would create your own and your families, who will inherit nothing but these fields. I would be mediator, lightning rod, dream and or destiny, the machine between you. And the species in you would know me as a part of your own nature. Envoy, those first cold mornings our father blew into our hands to warm them. And in the afternoons, after our classes we were mad to be outside. We'd bury one another in the leaves. We did not think those who have gone before us the kingdom's progenitors, not the only species we just laid down and closed our eyes as beach by oak, by sycamore, the leaf light disappeared, and we stayed still a while. Families at the gravesites or leapt up shouting, look and look at me, but who will take my hand first in the long receiving line, watch me I'd call we have our orders, and sometimes they answered look at you. Watch me I'd call from a branch above the biggest pile of leaves. Watch me. And then I dove and I could barely hear them calling good luck to yous. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck Thank you.\r\n\r\n- Stanley Plumly is widely known and acclaimed for three talents. His fine Poetry, his criticism and his teaching. His five books of poetry, \"In The Outer Dark\", \"Giraffe\", \"Out Of The Body Travel\", \"Summer Celestial\" and the new one \"Boy On The Step\" have secured for him, A Guggenheim, Ingram-Merrill, National Endowment of the Arts Fellowships, Delmore Schwartz Award, and a nomination for the National Book Critics Circle Award. His criticism, which has appeared in many leading literary magazines, such as, \"American Poetry Review\" and \"Field\" is insightful. and clear-minded.He has established himself as an evocative voice that older and younger poets alike turn to and admire. I remember about 10 years ago, having a conversation with Richard Hugo then Hugo was directing the writing program at the university of Montana. And he told me he was trying to lure Stan out there to teach. \"He's such a good writer.\" Hugo said, \"And a damn fine teacher.\" Students scattered all over the United States, can testify to Hugo's words, to the buoyancy of his praise, the drive of his insistence upon excellence and his sense of humor characterized by his deep laugh that peels down the hallway. Stan Plumly has touched thousands of students from the university of Washington to Maryland, to Iowa. And help them grasp the self-confidence to realize their own talents. A whole generation of younger poets is in debt to him. Please help me welcome Stanley Plumly\r\n\r\n- It's always the first test, drink a quarter of the water Hear those words. One never expects to be a poet growing up in any world, certainly not in the world in which I grew up. And having people read your work or listened to it, is an even more remarkable fact. Poetry reading itself in America, is not that old an institution. It's really not much more than back to Frost and Dylan Thomas. One of whom wasn't American. But it's it caught on and it's become ubiquitous. It was very popular especially in the 60's and 70's. When the National Endowment for the Arts was sponsoring through various kinds of funding state reading series. And one would go on various States circuits to read one's poems. Very out of the way places, Iowa is not an out of the way place. Many consider it the center in fact. No, by what I mean by not all the way place is for example, the most remarkable reading circuit I was ever able to take part in. And that was in Wyoming. What was remarkable was that there was never any place to read for one thing. I think there's only one university in Wyoming and maybe a few, a few I'd say two, perhaps three perhaps it's changed since then, but two-year colleges. Otherwise we read it hunting lodges and odd public places, you know, with bears and... and elk heads on the wall and antelope and no stuff to people but, sponsored by the Wyoming Arts Council. I was, I had a wonderful host who drove me around, the circuit, which took about two and a half weeks. It was, it was quite a road show. Her chief problem was to invent a new introduction each night. Without boring me too much and herself even more. And she did a very good job. Most remarkable was the, was the response. I was amazed at how many people in a landscape that seemed to have no people at all, and no trees certainly, we're interested in this rather exotic and perhaps even alien, art poetry. It turns out that no one was ever born in Wyoming. Everyone was from somewhere else, but they got there and they didn't leave. \"The Wyoming Poetry Circuit\". Actually, I had a long, difficult time writing this poem, it took years. It kept turning into a travel sequence and I didn't, but just, just didn't work. So I decided to start by a misdirection. So it really begins in two other places. On the East coast and on the West coast. And then we ended up in Wyoming. Time travel, space travel,climbing down out of the rain which is what the breakable upper branches were. Rain, webbed hardly visible vessels. The imprint of the leaves long since Cambrian or division Cambrian, my microphone Cambrian or division rooted out of time the cold breakable rain branching out of sites but thicker the lower down your wind, thickest at the trunk. My father had put me up there, to look for deer above the scent. I never got it, right. It all looked rain to me. The star points to the distance, blurring with the trees. Two other moments, one with friends in a great field in the spring, the cold sky filled or emptied out of wind. The Stella's Jay's angry or friendly depending, then suddenly a red wing flies into my hand Just long enough to take the bread. I can see the spots like the starlings and the clipped blood to reds lit within the wing. It is amazing a moment and nothing on the other, above the wind river basin in moon country, along the skyline the loose trail of antelope drifting with herds they rolled in half wild following the traffic down to better pasture deadmeat and following the slaughter. We have to stop the truck to let them pass. They congregate in front of us like cages, light then dusk passes through them. Wyoming is dusk all day. I remember it seemed deeper in the air the layers of the inter tumbling rock permeable, possible like rain. Like a storm and daylight passing to the North. The Indian towns starving with the dark, the ranches poor with oil or coal or the animal debt to the land which had a shine like dry seabeds or Mario silver. Though they held their shadow and share it. And we met in a hunting lodge to talk no one from anywhere you could name who loved the place or got stuck. We talked into the night, the still walls lined with signs and wonders. Love, will never let us alone which is exactly what it does. That night it got too late, even outside and Moonlight We could see our faces. People you'd never see again We traveled hundreds of miles and aligned escape through stone just to talk or hear the poem \"Radigan silence.\" The next morning was winter, the rain ice cold October but by afternoon clear with the smell of snow, all those towns to get through all that endless gradual ground. At wind river, the walls were stratified like ladder variations on the color stone a ladder to be dreamed of climbing from the earth. We stopped to watch the river move. It's tons of train loads of the rock. My friend said that stone is what they have instead of trees which are immortal flowering out of stone like souls and secret. I could believe it counting the outcrop few leading toward the horizon, the small stone in the hand she said, is her loneliness, company, good luck. To the South past Rollins, there were elk like shale and mud and blue dusk. Part of a cut that had climbed out of the river, animals part tree parts, stone coming down, She said to feed with the herds to take a look at us but not too close or closed or not at all. The NEA did not sponsor this trip, but Debra and I found ourselves in Italy a couple of years ago. Actually a little less than that. And walking in Rome, we were lucky enough to be staying in an area where we could walk and see things that we wanted to see. We were our way through the Vatican and we crossed the bridge across the Tiber. That's an old river across the Tiber. The Ponte Sant'Angelo. It was a castle on the other side on our way to the Vatican looked up and couldn't believe our eyes along the edges of the bridge. We're six angels on each side and a larger than life, about 10, 12 feet high, wings and various state of unfurling. And on the backs of at least two or three of those angels, were men, work men. The Italians take these things rather than casually. They've been at it for awhile. And they had their little scaffolds under their seats. And they were cleaning up in the angels, with brushes and little picks and whatnot. like sculptors, except these were artisans of the most basic kind after artists, you might say.They had buckets that they let down to the Tiber, to get little water and wheel them back up. I said it first, I said to Deborah, men working on wings. It just seemed too, too transparently. Obvious. It was a given. It was a denee as a perception. Then it turned into a title which turned into that's something. That's what I'm reading next \"Men Working On Wings\" \"In dreams they were everything hurt, whose faces were always coming into focus like a feeling never before realized, offered now as longing but not spiritual like the cloud and marble or the flaws and sunlight streaking through the window. But palpable the way that cloud those flaws take on the human. If I have to choose, I choose those nights I sat in the dark and the mote park outfield. Waiting with my father for the long fly balls that fell more rarely than the stars. We talked or he'd hit the hole in his glove. A hundred times, he'd hit the hole in his glove, in his factory wool and cotton gray uniform. He looked like a soldier too young to fight. Like a sailor brother and our monkey uncle Doughboy Harry. Who'd been gassed in the trenches, too young to fight. Debra's mother is a popular and much quoted figure but nobody died. Once on the Ponte Sant'Angela leading from the castle of angels, across a wrist of the Tiber, I watched artisms of the working classes work with the patience of repairmen on the backs of the, except for their hands, they sat the wings and stillness hammer and chisel like any other sculptors, the job endless infinite testable a constancy of detail, the air itself the enemy and the long gold light pouring down. The big flat dead leaves of the sycamores would whirl around them in a theme. Then drift like paper to the river. The leaves might float in another life all the way to the sea spotted and browned like the backs of the hands of the old, the wings of the angels were stone cloud stained, pocked, like a deer. My father didn't want to die, nor my uncles in their 50s. North doll, Jack ruining, who would have welded wings to his back to get another day of drinking. And to claim that in the war he'd eaten the man's flesh. At each other's funerals they were inconsolable. They would draw from the scabbard with its lime green rust, a sword against this day. They would not be turned away in their flawed hearts they would stand fast side by side as in the photograph, `youngest to tallest as on the bridge with half closed eyes with mouths about the speak, the 12 Bernini angels and they're cold and the heavy robes and the wings unfurled with a weight of men. 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When I was told suicide when the soul stayed with the body locked in the ground I knew it was wrong that each bird could be anyone in the afterlife. Alive on wing, like this one, which lets it's finless with a song go out into the future then follows into the Woodland understory into its voice, gone. But to look down the long shot to the air, the whole healing silence of the air, fire, and thrown where we want to be on the edge of the advantage the abrupt to green edge between the flowering, our account the wind did open the field before the trees, to be alive and secret. This is what we wanted and here is when we die and what lives is flooded on the air a whistle and the wing. Even our desire to die, the swallow fire disappear, be nothing. The body fills with life, and then the mind, the white oak of the table, the ladder stiffness of the chair that dried out paper on the wall, fly back into the vein and branching of the leaf. Flair like the waxwing, whose moment seems to fill the scar that head from the window, the distance, just more trees against the sky. And then the distance after that, everything is possible. We are in a room with all the loved ones, who when they answer have the power of song. Just a couple more. Any reader for the sake of novelty. A new part. Sometimes one needs to go back to basics. And what's the basics? The basics is the King James Version of the bible. It's hard to find the King James version of the bible. And once you get all these modern various translations, which tend to reduce the fixed period, King James poetry, ambiguity, complexity, paradox into something more machine milled and comprehensible and literal and I don't know what. Maybe it's supposed to make more money. I don't know quite what the moment it is but it's hard to find, I found one finally, but it was a hideous example of a bible, first of all it was white. Bible should be black. Then it had a zipper on it. And I figured that the zipper must be meant to keep out mortality, keep the dust away from the pageant. Then worst of all, on the zipper, it had a little gold cross, like a reminder that kept through the Old Testament as quickly as possible into the afterlife. Screw it. So, I decided that to comment on it, this is a comment on that object. It's called white bible. Not surprisingly enough. The only one in the King James version I could find, the pseudo leather binding matched with notes couldn't cords and summaries and zippered with a small gold cross tied like a tool to the zipper, and engine to keep out dust. There were photographs, playing a vest driven, Mount Tabor in the distance, a Dead Sea scrolls cave site, the sea, hail's postcard in the Salinger shops written on pencil and maps and pictures of sample flora, poppies, green wheat, the summer and lot of, and branches of figs and spring. And Jesus' words bled red ignited by a die. Still poetry is poetry. King David was old and stricken in years and they covered him with clothes, but got no heat. And Jesus returned in the power of the spirit into Galilee, and there went out a fame of Him, through all the region round, but no one old or looking down at death would want it white, no true believer in the word indicted the strict or ocular letters suffering print, suffering versus to be built, convicted into order, into black and both strategies, authenticating black and nations of columns difficult in density, capacity, open book, black numbers. No one hashing on it, or dispatch on it. Would want his lesson other routes and resonance at great black infinitely slowly moving away, only the generally poor, blessed or broken would want a wide of the Holy Spirit lost in marble, wandering greener pastures, Volk and verus among the fine wine preachers. No one we love or want to love, would want so white a thoughts, white hearts, winding sheet and Linden unspeakable as spoken, as the endless cancer is terminally ill, and are christian suffering, grandmothers white with disease sitting through chain smoking after the night, who have had enough of prose and the wiry involucre of type, who wake death out with ribbons around their wrist, residing into the air what they remember, black words, black words, as if the oral way to black, could rise up from the page, the limitation of each sentence in its time, until the page turned white again and sure, for the oldest to the youngest eyes of blind white light in reading a flat white light, a wall where nothing will be written, where the spirit calling movies spiritual, as if the waters were themselves now moved. The leaves in morning lone down the hard or not, of chaos on the surface. I decided on a significant birthday that I would write a birthday poem. 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