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And I'd like to welcome you to this first honors week lecture which has been sponsored by the Iowa state honors program, Department of History, the Department of Philosophy Phi Kappa Phi, the offices of all the colleges and the Committee on Lectures which is funded by the government of the student body. This year our lecturer is Dr. Morris Berman, who will be speaking on the topic, The Two Faces of Creativity. Dr. Berman will be willing to answer your questions after the lecture and he will also be available for further informal discussion tomorrow morning at 9:30 at Osbourne Cottage. Dr. Berman is the author of the books, \"Social Change in Scientific Organizations\", and \"The Reenchantment of The World\". Tonight's lecture is based on material gathered for his most recent book \"Coming To Our Senses\" which is based on the history of the body. And will be coming out soon from Simon and Schuster. The honors office and Osborne cottage has order forms for his books. Dr. Berman received his doctorate in the history of science from Johns Hopkins. And has taught at several universities in both the United States and Canada. In 1987, he retired from the university teaching to spend full time researching and writing. He's lived in Seattle for the past 14 months. Has spent some of his free time in the past few months when he had to play Bluegrass fiddle. Please help me welcome Dr. Morris Berman.\r\n\r\n- I guess I should have brought the fiddle, you know I just memorize \"Turkey in De Straw\" I think of what you're being deprived of. Let me start with a couple of quotes that sort of outline or reflect on what I'm gonna talk about. The first is from Walker Percy's book \"Lost In The Cosmos\" and he writes, \"The plight of the self of the artist writer is at least in part an historical phenomenon and not an essential property of being an artist writer. There may have been other times in other places whether one wishes to call them an age of faith or an age of myth in which men perceived a saving relationship to God because most of the world and to each other. In such times the self did not feel displaced or if it did it understood its displacement. The artist writer did not feel the same compulsion to assert his individual genius self as with the artists today. It did not occur to the Church's sculptor to sign his name on the toe of an apostle he had finished on the West portal or it's an Lesko cave painter\". And the second is a quote from the writer, British writer, Graham Green, \"Writing is a form of therapy. Sometimes I wonder how all those who do not write, compose or paint can manage to escape the madness, the melancholia, the panic fear which is inherent in the human situation.\" Well, the operative word I think is inherent. We'll have to ask whether we're talking about a modern condition or simply a human condition. I've been interested in creativity for a long time. First, because the role it's had in my own life. For any writer usually becomes their major source of identity. And secondly, because of the ambivalent status which the creative person has in European or American society. The creative person is simultaneously regarded as the pride of a culture. You know, as being very valuable as a resource and as an oddball of some sort useful at cocktail parties perhaps but not really to be taken seriously. You wouldn't consult such a person, for example, in designing a university curriculum. Creativity is seen almost without qualification however, in our culture is a quote good thing. and yet genius is popularly in the popular mind regarded as akin to madness. The popular image of the artist or writer is frequently that of an alcoholic and interestingly enough, they frequently are. Creativity in my own life has been a very driven and compulsive activity. I began to feel myself that it may not in fact be such a good thing. And I began to wonder if creativity should actively be discouraged or whether perhaps there might be other models of creativity around. There's been a lot of study of, well I shouldn't say that, there haven't been a lot of studies of creativity, there's been a lot of histories of art or music or painting or that sort of thing. I finally tracked down at the State University of New York at Buffalo had an Institute that was devoted to studying creativity. So I went to see their collection on the study of creativity and it consisted of a single room in a library. And these books were about history of art, music and stuff, I mean about half, I should be clear, about half were devoted to the creative process but that's not a lot. It's not that we really know or understand except from psychological studies of sorts, the creative process. And so when I began to study this I was necessarily thrown upon psychological literature. And as you can guess the earliest examination of the whole issue from this point of view was undertaken by Sigmund Freud. He did this in a biography of Leonardo da Vinci, written in 1910, one of the worst books ever written, I really believe. It's terrible work, the whole thing falls apart by the end, it's totally unsubstantiated. And yet on three pages of that text, Freud generated a typology of creativity. To me, it was very interesting. I wanna modify it a bit since Freud tended to be interested in a very narrow issue and that was the relationship between sexual repression and intellectual activity of which he himself was an excellent case study. But I wanna enlarge that 'cause I think the world may be larger than that and so I'll put some words in his mouth. If you want the original version, it's pages 29 to 31 of the Ellen Tyson translation in the standard stretchy edition of the translation of Freud's work. The book is called \"Leonardo Da Vinci And A Memory of His Childhood\". So basically, it goes something like this. Freud began by saying that there's a certain type of person who pursues creative activity with the same passionate and devotion that another would give to his love. The crucial events as Freud is the fate of what he called the period in the infantile sexual researches or more generally the pleasure that a child takes in essential exploration of its surroundings. This can include, Freud was very interested in this, curiosity about the birth process. But the larger expression is a tactile and erotic one and this is a total lack of inhibition that we see in very young kids which usually makes parents nervous. And unconsciously, they get stirred to remember the time when they were like that, when they were kind of free flowing, you know, And remember how that openness got squashed. So disturbed by this unconscious awareness, what do they do? They do the same thing to their own kids, you see. So the impulse then gets thwarted and repressed and this according to Freud had three possible outcomes. The first, the overwhelmingly typical case is that the child's curiosity gets shut down. The child learns that creative expression and openness is a very risky business. And so the result is that creative expression to quote Freud may be limited for the whole of the subject's lifetime. In the second case, the child's development is sufficiently strong to resist that repression to some degree and there we get the classic neurotic artist model. In other words, suppress sensuality returns from the unconscious Freud wrote, in the form of compulsive brooding. Naturally in a distorted and unfree form but sufficiently powerful to sexualize thinking itself and to color creative or artistic operations with a pleasure and anxiety that belong to sexual processes proper. So here, the brooding never ends erors is transferred to the creative activity and the latter becomes a substitute for it. The third case, according to Freud is one in which and I'm quoting, \"The libido evades, the fate of repression by being sublimated from the very beginning\". In other words here, the transition is smooth, the quality of neurosis is absent and instinct operates freely in the service of creative activity. So to schematize this, it might look like this. So we start out with out of curiosity about the world This goes on until the child is hit by repression most American parents do not like this. And then there are three possible outcomes. One is straight inhibition. And what happens in this case, is the repression . and so unconscious activity then emerges later in life as psychosomatic illness, hysterical symptoms in someone. The here is usually one up here. The second case, neurotic compulsion, the repression, the kid has some energy to fight that but it doesn't work totally. So here we have is unconscious activity emerging as creative work through a process of eruption, creative work is a substitute model. And the third one, he didn't give a name, I call it And this is the case in which the individual escapes repression altogether so the unconscious activity is free flowing. Its natural plus adrenaline stress So, well, there's not a lot to say about type one. It's the counter example, the decision to give up on creativity altogether. The second one is as far as Freud was concerned the most typical of most creative work. So creative work here, as I said has an obsessive quality to it. We say things like he's married to his work or something like that. So tension and passion are characteristic of this common mode. And type three is the least familiar case. Here, this is kind of puzzling because in the early pages of Leonardo biography, Freud put Leonardo in this category. He wanted to believe somehow that Leonardo was characterized by this free-flowing quality. However, as the analysis of Leonardo's art proceeds it's impossible to maintain. And Leonardo winds up in category two and creativity three winds up as a totally empty category. It is however, an intriguing possibility, what would fill this category? And it seems to me that Freud's insight was intuitively brilliant here although he didn't know. One possibility of that is children's art. Years ago I worked in a Montessori school for kids that were three becoming four. And it was kind of interesting because they didn't have performance anxiety and they weren't, you know, as counselors, we were instructed not to be on their case. Do not put them on the spot, do not say what is it you're drawing. You can say, tell me about this color, for example, and that would draw them out and you could see it, you know but if you put a kid on the spot, then all of a sudden they've got to defend what they're doing and the energy changes. And it was really a pleasure for me to watch these kids immersed in their work. You know, for them play and work, I used the word work, play work had no line between it. Well, looking back, I wouldn't call the stuff that they turned out great art, you know, there were no Van Gogh's in the nursery as far as, I could daycare center, as far as I could see. But the real point here is that if that's all that can be put in creativity three, it's not a very interesting category. I mean, we're gonna have no creativity. You know, Catholic can bring new creativity, which is the norm and then children's art, I mean, somehow that, you know.. What I wanna argue is that what Freud missed here was that creativity three does exist. It's essentially the mode of expression that includes most medieval art in the West. Most of the art of non-Western cultures and the artist traditional societies. It largely approximates what we call craft rather than art as such and it's very useful because it throws the creativity of the Western and post-it Renaissance world into sharp relief. Because it's a psychodynamic model as Freud suspected that's completely different than creativity two. As a result, creativity two, I think should be seen for what it is. I mean, in my own work, I've done a lot of analysis western science is a highly localized phenomena in time and space. I think the same thing can be said for creativity two. It's a local in fact fairly recent phenomenon that organizes energy in a particular way. It produces, I believe a mode of expression that's extremely powerful and extremely focused but also extremely draining both for the individual and the culture at large. And since it is recent and is localized, I think it's possible to claim that the creative process itself has a history. That is to say, we're not talking about just the history of music or architecture or whatever but the history of the creative process itself can be seen as an historical phenomenon. This is important because creativity functions somewhat as an archetypal in our culture, you know. I mean, young certainly treated it that way. And that would mean that creativity is always creativity and what's going down in creativity is always the same. It seems to me that's not the case. Well, when I examined my own creativity, I saw that it was clearly found in the type two, type two variety. You know, I mean, I would stay up till four o'clock at night fueling myself with coffee and the bathroom. I would write stuff down on a white sheet so I wouldn't lose it, you know that number? And then the ideas wouldn't come and I would stare at a blank page and this would go on for weeks as I tore my hair out and then, you know, all that sort of stuff, you know. It seemed to me there was a deeper issue however, when I began to think about it more clearly and probably, at least in the last book I wrote which was called the \"The Reenchantment Of The World\" involves the confrontation with there is that in pre scientific culture, there is a certain belief about reality that's not acknowledged in our society and yet when you start dipping into it it's very interesting because you discover that in fact it's quite real, it's just that it's not allowed as a reality in our society. This was a very difficult thing for me to deal with 'cause I didn't wanna see that, I didn't wanna live in that. And then once you open that door you're stuck, let me tell you. And so I was quite in a kind of split between two worlds and possessed in a certain sense by this problem, it was a very rocky ride. I mean, I can say I didn't enjoy a lot of it. And what I had to do is heal that split or die. And so what I chose to do is do my therapy and my work. And this, it seems to me is the first characteristic of creativity two or modern creativity. In other words, it's a contemporary form of exorcism. Work is done to resolve an internal conflict and that's the alcoholic model, you create from pain. The second characteristic which is obviously related to that and what I'm doing now is essentially something that I don't think Freud sold out. I'm just examining and there's nothing to examine here, basically, you know, its finished. And this is a kind of a big question mark because we don't know a lot about this, category. This is the easiest one to examine, so what I'm doing is just laying out what I think are the characteristics of that that I think need to be talked about in terms of what constitutes creative work. So first one is that basically it's an act of exorcism. The second one is that it's called or falls in the category of self-expression. In other words, you create yourself out of your work. And in the modern period, art and self-expression are virtually synonymous. As Walker Percy pointed out, this is not something that has existed for all time. Many evil and paleolithic artists did not sign their work. You see, they were anonymous people. In the modern period, the important thing is not only to sign your work but it's to be finally recognized without even a signature. Oh, of course, that's van Gogh. Of course you see, you know, because that's the signature. The third characteristic I would give of the second form creativity is that the creative insight is seen or does erupt from the unconscious. In other words, it alters the personality structure when that material erupts. The fourth characteristic, is it seems to me that modern creativity, your creativity two, has an addictive component to it. This is very important. George Bernard Shaw once remarked, \"I work as my father drank\". Basically the structure of creativity two, is what the cultural anthropologists Gregory Bateson, called seismogenic, it builds toward climax. The structure is one of upping the ante. In other words, work is often unfinished something that Freud pointed out about Da Vinci, for example. Because it's done in the pursuit of an inaccessible ideal. It must depart from tradition, it must create a new genre and it gets difficult to keep on doing this. So as a result, modern creativity tends to have very high psychic costs. There's some good books about this actually Alvarez's book, \"The Savage God\" which is a study of suicide points out that in the modern period, creativity is heavily characterized by suicide with the most brilliant work being done right before death. Whether you're talking about Sylvia Plath or Van Gogh and Modigiliani it falls their pattern. Katinka Matson in a book called \"Short Lives\" as the title indicates, suggests that here we have artistic self-destruction showing up very early age. And the examples are enormous and I mean, I mentioned Van Gogh and Modigliani but think of Dylan Thomas or Janis Joplin or Jimi Hendrix and Sexton finally somehow the artist is sliding toward a dangerous place and it's for this reason, as sociological studies have shown that many creative people stop doing what they're doing in their late thirties and a certain sense of reached the dead end there's no place to go. It also explains why the public loses interest in writers like Norman mailer. That's a classic example of a pathetic artistic case in our culture. The first work, \"The Naked And Dead\" is the best. That's the wrong order because basically then you're really stuck. Then you spend the rest of your life trying to write the great American novel and somehow emerging is kind of silly, you see, in the public scene, what the public wants is novelty. It wants the next product to be better than the last and so on. So this is the upper mantle structure. You've got to generate greater and greater kind of psychological splits to jump over it becomes kind of dangerous, difficult. And finally as the last characteristic I would grant Freud his point that modern creativity often involves the sexualization of the activity. One's work becomes one's lover, it becomes the central or obsessive relationship. And all the dramas that get played out in a romantic relationship get played out here. There is the initial rush, subsequent tapering off, jealousy, possessiveness, and finally disillusion and the search for a new love. Is a heavy overlap of edible energy here. Male artists are notorious mama's boys, notorious heroes winning battles for the mother and they do this by slaying tradition, by rupturing tradition, essentially slaying the father. Well, this is such a common pattern that it's almost hard to notice, for example, just studying the structure novels in the West and not a really fine 19th century invention but there is always a pretense we're doing something, comes up against a brick wall and then there's a choice. Somehow they have to modify something about that character in order to succeed. And if they do that the novel succeeds more often it turns into a great tragedy, they failed to do that and so the thing, you know, goes the way of all flesh. Even if you examine Western music, it's all of it, when you talk about Mozart or anybody from the Renaissance time it always has this tension resolution structure for glory and chant does not. You see, that's my point. Some years ago, was long time ago, Ernest Hemingway, wrote a story, that was not very typical for him about a man who went fishing caught nothing and went home and nobody could understand this. They said, nothing happened, you see, it's a question of what activity consists of. Silence for Western people is not a message. Noise is a message, but silence is never a message. Well, let me talk now about what I've said, I think falls into this third category, this category notes here somewhere. We attempt to viewing exactly Western creativity and kind of embrace the time My name is So this is why the Chinese likes smoochie made from products in the late 13 and 14 century. This is unfortunately Chinese by the artist Ian Kiaer, who lived in the early 13th century. What is interesting about this kind of things she had a feeling standing back five minutes late This is a very famous one Another And this is 15th century Jarrett's landscape paintings by Murata shiko This is another landscape also of 15th century Japan Let's say the rendition of Monk Bodhidharma, traditional founder of Zen buddhism. Rendered by the 18th Century Zen master Hakuin. This is work of another master by And this is based in Iran dating about 3500BC. And this one from Egypt about 3200 BC. And this is a cheap, this is a modern face, it was done by English potter . And this is another vase 1800 BC So, go back. I'll come back and meet you in a second. Well, one big difference for me between what we have just seen and lets say someone like Van Gogh is that I find Eastern or medieval art, which is really craft and which I'm calling creativity three kind of flat. It seems to me there's something very unbrilliant or very relaxed if you will, about it. It tends to be Western art in music that's really exciting although obviously I'm being rather ethnocentric here. But the problem is that creativity two, the second category requires a certain type of energy configuration that's very driven and finally, very brittle. The stuff you just saw on the screen does not lead to suicide, In fact, just the reverse. The stuff in the second category of neurotic compulsion essentially is based on an early psychic and somatic damage inflicted on children by parents. That means that psychic energy moves up from right around here, up to the head. And so in a certain sense, Western art is brilliant but it's kind of top heavy. There's a certain level of tension and stress that you can see in it. There was recently a book by Anthony Storr \"Solitude\" and he writes, which captures this thing that I'm talking about. \"The greater, the disharmony within, the sharper the spur to create harmony without.\" That's the creativity to model, you see. A famous study that was done by a psychology professor Kay Jamison at UCLA sometime ago, was done at 47 distinguished British writers and artists 38% of them had been treated for mood disorders of the manic depressive kind. Much more recently and a lot closer to home Nancy Andreason who's a psychiatrist at the university of Iowa, did a study of distinguished writers at the Iowa writers workshop, which revealed that 80% suffered from some form of manic depression. It's kind of interesting, you know, the nature of our type of creativity. A point of comparison emerged for me quite unintentionally a couple of years ago, it was late 86, I happened to be in New York city and the Metropolitan Museum mounted an exhibit of the last 18 months of Van Gogh's work. I wasn't gonna miss that and I went off to see it. I planned to stay several hours, within 90 minutes I was totally exhausted and I had to leave it. The color was extremely intense, stuff got better and better in proportion to his madness. I don't know whether it was accidental or deliberately planned by the organizers of that exhibit or the directors of the Met but they had it set up that the exit door came out into another exhibition which was called individuality and tradition in 17th century, Chinese art. That was quite interesting because what I noticed was the physical reaction that I had. I mean, literally after 90 minutes, I couldn't hack this anymore and I go out the exit door and all of a sudden it goes like this. And you sit in this room with these Chinese landscapes around and you know you could sit forever. Now, Van Gogh is more brilliant but I can't have him hanging on my walls I wouldn't be able to sleep, you know. What I felt in the case of all these Chinese landscapes was a descent of the spirit rather than an ascent of the spirit. You see, the energy and creativity two goes up and the energy and creativity three goes down. And I mean, it was a very, very interesting sort of thing. In the final 70 days of his life living under the care of Dr. Gochez, Van Gogh, turned out no less than 40 paintings Probably his best stuff. In this 17th century exhibit they had quotes from one of the artists, one of the 17th century Chinese painters, a man named Quan Shen. And basically he made comments on the nature of art that define in some sense what this empty category creativity three is about. \"Little by little\", wrote Quan Shen, \"is better than more and more. This is the advanced stage of a painter. When you are afraid of producing too much painting you will make a good painting. Being clever is not as good as being dull. The uses of cleverness can grasped at a glance while apparent dullness may embody limitless flavor\". So these are sentiments that seems to me would never have occurred to van Gogh, certainly not the me, probably not the most of us. The goal here is not particularly to make a judgment on Eastern versus Western art. I mean, that's not really the issue, the issue is a cultural juxtaposition. The first four elements, excuse me, that identified, sorry, that are characteristic of creativity two which is healing a split, self-expression, eruption from the unconscious and in addictive structure. It seems to me makes it clear that the seismogenic characteristic of Western art is very definitely present and the things move toward climax. And when you add the sexuality that Freud was talking about you have a situation that's very brittle. So it's not that I wanna to argue that creativity two is wrong, but that in the late 20th century we have probably pushed it to the breaking point. There may be no place to go in an evolutionary sense of the history and future of creativity. Modern creativity requires somehow a lot more nerve than perhaps talent. The process of self-expression never ends and this is so clear and so much stuff. Dylan Thomas' poem on his 35th birthday, he writes \"The voyage to ruin, I must run\", you see. I mean, there is however something very important I think in the seismogenic structure. And the idea is finally if you really admire Van Gogh, and you really think Its the same structural configuration of producing the nuclear arms race. So we learn to say our culture that creativity is good. You know, and while The problem is that may have the very same structure as other seismogenic tendencies, such as war. And that creates a curious, puts the whole thing in a curious light as to what we're doing. If you're always upping the ante, if you're never satisfied, if energy is always displaced from down here at up here, you're going to create a certain type of culture and that's gonna show across the board, not merely in creativity. There is an American artists by the name of Morris Graves, he's still alive. And he probably was the greatest expression of the attempt to combine Eastern and Western approaches to art. You can see a lot of Eastern stuff, especially Japanese stuff in his work. And he wrote a letter to a friend in 1946, in which he said, \"If we consider Europe for the few years following world war II, we see the breadth of damage resulting from the enormous energies of creative artists, painters and writers resolving despair vendetta helping to ignite world war II. We artists are not a by-product of civilization we are its forerunners and is capable of negative or positive invention as scientists and political idealists\" End of quote, Graves subsequently applied for a Guggenheim to study in Japan as part of this desire to unite Eastern Western tendencies and the application to Guggenheim application, he wrote, \"I seek to move away from that Western aesthetic which emphasizes personalized expression of forms without a profound content to support them to move away from exhibitionism called self-expression and toward the Eastern arts bias of considerations of metaphysical perceptions, which produce creative painting as a record of inward experience\". I think Graves recognizes that basically, essentially creativity two is or that type of creativity is much a part of our culture as the nuclear arms race. At the bottom of it is this restlessness, this dissatisfaction and perhaps a fear that you're gonna be wiped down. We don't like to think about this, we don't like to entertain this possibility of not popular to thinking in these terms. Let me return for a moment to what I've called creativity three, the creativity of traditional cultures. Let's take a look at this slide again by Moochie. This was the commentary of one Chinese writer about this painting. He wrote \"This picture of sick persimmons is one of the best works ever produced by Chinese artists. Before Moochie picked up his brush, his mind was in the state of no thought. Thus we have in this painting, a manifestation of the primary indeterminacy of the uncarved block. What his mind reflected at that moment, his brush would put down. First two deep black contours right inside, and then to their left to gray contours to the extreme left and right, he plays to plain white contours. The ink wash of the first two is pitch dark without any shading at all. And the two contours at the left are all gray with only a light touch. The two outside contours are pure white. The shades of the ink wash from dark to gray and from gray to white correspond to the inner process going on in the painter\". I think this is what Morris Grave is talking about when he was still in the depth of the preconscious, the density of his creative Knight found expression in the two dark contours with the awakening of his consciousness, the inner darkness loses its density and manifests in two great contours. As he awakens fully, his creative innocence is entirely unveiled so the white counters are its expression. What is expressed in the picture correspond to what happened in his mind. What's the slogan of this week, not just the state of mind. Anyway, through his brushwork, the various states of his mind can be traced from the primary indeterminacy of the uncarved block to the transparency. Help me shut this down. So basically the first thing that strikes me about this work, and now we're gonna try to fall in those characteristics of what number three might be, because, you know, if this is not very much thought about and Freud I left it as a blank. Could somebody lift the lights? Not gonna do anything, thanks. The first thing that strikes me about this type of stuff, and this is genre is the absence of what might be called a Freudian layer. In other words, there is seemingly in the slides we saw no pent up sexual material there. Eros and internal conflict do not play a very large role. What this Chinese writer was describing is a fairly smooth descent into the unconscious not any eruption from it. So it's clear that the dark persimmons would come first in a state of meditative trance and the lighter ones after as the artist comes back to more conscious awareness. The state of no mind that's familiar to Eastern thought is largely flooring to the modern West. Van Gogh really finally was out of his mind not in no mind, quite different. No mind is a state of detachment or wholeness and this indicates that the healing takes place before the work begins. This material does not reflect the search for unity. It's the expression of a psychic unity previously attained. So a second characteristic is a lack of self-expression. This type of art, including things like painting or Japanese haiku is typically about nature in the physical world. It's not about the self and its dilemmas. This why a lot of it and why medieval art is unsigned the individual is irrelevant to the whole effort. Artists finally, expression of something else. Thirdly, there's no seismogenic of structure. There's no upping the ante here. The idea of a craft is to stay within the genre not to violate the genre. So basically as a result traditional art is seen as the activity of everybody. This is very characteristic of certain types of cultures like Bali where everybody does something artistic. You don't have in those traditional societies, a circle of winners that are labeled artists or writers. Now they have various society to society but the idea is that art is part of life it doesn't try to outdo life by psychic acrobatics And under humorous swarming Eastern writer once commented, \"Here the artist is not a special kind of person, rather each person is a special kind of artists\". Think of what that implies in terms of cultural organization. So, all of this finally might have something to say about where our culture is going. If we look at the creative scene in the United States, in Europe, since world war II, there are a great attempts of attempts to reject that central category. It's actually quite interesting and quite prolific. The anti novel of writers like Rob Gray, for example, in France, which destroys plots, the rise of minimalist music in the United States, Steve Reich and Philip Glass, for example, that do away with the whole tension and resolution structure. listening to musicians like composers, like last I have the feeling of Gregorian chant, It's quite remarkable, you know. Wallace Stevens, poetry often creates effects by absence in the same way that Henry Moore sculpture does. It's very interesting what's going on and it's not clear what that means in a cultural sense because basically, our model there's one type of creativity, and the idea is to get as I said, up the ante get more and more intense as a artist and a whole bunch of fields, essentially turning their back on him. And saying, we're gonna do something else. What does that mean? I mean, what would it be about? Well, one guess is that it's simply regression. It's the attempt to return to an earlier cultural period. You know, it's hard to take all that little neurosis and so you back off of it. I suspect that represents something else and that's the type of thing that happened during the Renaissance in the West. And that's the attempt to go forward by going backward. This does happen historically where earlier forms are revived in order to regenerate a culture. But I suspect the real import of all this is that the limits of the alcoholic model of creativity had been reached and future creativity, perhaps even future lifestyles and personality structures may not be modeled on the heroic experience. Our energy may be flattening and diffusing in other words, it may be becoming non-addictive. I don't think this is about becoming Asians as far as Western score or going back to the middle ages because I don't think there's any way out of the legacy of our own heritage. But basically if the energy of creativity does start to shift, we're going to enter a period of being a very different type of culture. 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(laughs)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156#t=23.68,25.352"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156/transcript/25246/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All the poetry that wouldn't get written, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156#t=25.352,28.175"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156/transcript/25246/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There may be a whole host of 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field,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156#t=39.918,42.253"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156/transcript/25246/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so this is pulled up and moved across the field.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156#t=42.253,44.03"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156/transcript/25246/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's a different kind of energy 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whatever,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156#t=61.77,66.697"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156/transcript/25246/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is that of the independent ego","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156#t=66.697,68.799"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156/transcript/25246/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that controls their 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How about marital intercourse, how about love that doesn't have peak experience attached to it? It's very strange because we can't imagine what that is. I mean, think of all the literature that would go down the tubes, you know? All the poetry that wouldn't get written, you know? There may be a whole host of phenomenon in which what's happening is that this sharp piece phenomenon, the energy of it, is taken, being taken and behind diffused across the field, so this is pulled up and moved across the field. That's a different kind of energy configuration and I think it has implications beyond that of creativity. It seems to me, it may extend to things like economics. And finally, to the nature of personhood itself, where the whole notion of the ideal, the healthy ideal in our society, from Freud to Erickson to the existentialists or whatever, is that of the independent ego that controls their surroundings. You see, it's the heroic model and keeps all the diverse parts of the personality in tow. What if there was a decentralized idea of identity, in which all of those parts had a role? And so you didn't have to pour all this energy into maintaining one particular identity. All of this I think is about the nature of reality becoming a lot more osmotic and a lot more porous. And frankly, for people like ourselves, living in creativity too, or that model, that's a very difficult world to imagine. When I was working in that Montessori school, and watching these kids, it was quite fascinating to me. I remember one of the other counselors saying to me, \"I don't know why we're doing this. \"By age 14, they're all gonna have nervous breakdowns \"because they have to live in this society, \"not a different one.\" And this society is about this. It's about compulsive experience. It's not about dynamic equilibrium. So, I don't know what else to tell you. Confucius' blessing in The Analects, you know, when somebody said, \"What's the greatest blessing you could confer on anybody?\" He said, \"May you live in interesting times\". He didn't say that it also might be the greatest curse. I have a feeling we're gonna live in interesting times. Let me stop there. Are there any questions or problems or major crises going on? If you're shy, you can have another chance at me tomorrow morning. Yeah?\r\n\r\n- Well, I'm puzzled by the idea .\r\n\r\n- You're puzzled by?\r\n\r\n- The neurotic theory that you present about creativity, because with the exception of the don't have a theory , and even then, it manifests as something\r\n\r\n- Yeah, well, I don't have--\r\n\r\n- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, one thing I don't have, I mean, it would be nice to have lots of statistics from the Iowa workshop and stuff like that. And I don't have that. A lot of this is impressionistic and anecdotal but the thing is that you can find a lot of this stuff in the types of studies I mentioned, like Alvarez's study of suicide, the Savage God. Katinka Mats and Short Lives. Elliot Jacque did a, that business about the midlife crisis, it was an article that sociologist Elliott Jacques did. And that was statistical of creative people. It appeared in the New York Times magazine around 1965 and later was reprinted as a chapter of a book he wrote. But, I mean, I'm not denying that there are all kinds of, you know, how rigid should these categories be? For example, I mean, in the--\r\n\r\n- Well, it might be that they're also had nothing to do with . Unless Stravinsky and Picasso are and it's not particularly neurotic --\r\n\r\n- Yeah, you'd have to read biographies of, I mean, I'd argue with you about Picasso, because you have to read biographies to see just how neurotic this person was. But the thing, it seems to me as far as I can tell, that neurosis has an awful lot to do with creativity. All of the stuff that I've read shows that basically there is an extremely close relationship. But it's also the case that I think you're right in the sense that stuff starts to blur at the edges. In other words, in a larger version of this, what I showed is that there are overlaps between two and three. There are ways of getting around certain types of stuff, depending on what else is going on in the person's life. But beyond that, even if you take somebody like Bach, who may be considered a very well-adjusted sort of person and so on, it's also the case that even in his work, there's no getting away from this tension and resolution structure and it's that that characterizes our society, regardless if the artists themselves may have escaped certain tendencies. It's sort of like, it's so characteristic of Bach's music or Mozart's music, that has that, you know, it has the first line that sets the theme, and then there's a moment tension. So we're all leaning forward. And then there's a three variations on it, and then a resolution. You can feel it . That's how that music operates. When we listen, I mean, the first time that I heard, for example, Indian ragas, I didn't know what to do with it. I had no idea what to listen for because I wasn't handing those bodily reactions. Now, I think they do have cycles like that, but they're strung out over enormous lengths of time. So you have to have an Indian ear to hear it, basically. But you see, I'm not worried about, you know, Bach had 20 kids and he was and all that. That's true. There are ways that this blurs and individuals can get away from certain types of problems. But what characterizes one society as opposed to another society is what I'm really interested in, and whether we continue getting away with that, is the type of thing I'm struggling. But I mean, I do agree with you that these categories can't be as archetypal or stereotypical as I want to make them. And I agree with you. Yeah?\r\n\r\n- But would a society made up of level two creative types, and it's something that's really important for telling our children, and they grow up with all of this, then how is it that in society's going to kind of level out ?\r\n\r\n- Wonderful question. And the thing I would ask, I've asked myself is, where do people like Steve Wright and Terry Riley and Phil Glass and Henry Moore, and well, where did they come from? What happened? How did Morris Graves get the idea that Western art was driven and self-expressive, and he didn't want to be doing it? Where's Morris Graves come from? I mean, that really is the question. Because basically, for example, I don't see any way of avoiding this crash. Or maybe not. I don't we'd like it. I think we're in the compulsive model and we're gonna do it for a long time. But it's also the case that somehow, from somewhere, and I wish I had a better answer to your question. I don't know where these people are coming from. Except that for some strange reason, there are a number of people who run through this model very early, and then develop. I remember once, going to, this was in San Francisco, Steve Wright gave a interview, a public interview about his work. And that question was raised. Where did you come from? How did you get the idea of doing this? And he said, \"You know, I lived in Africa a long time \"and I studied Kabbalah \"and I've been doing yogic breathing techniques for years, \"and all of a sudden it was very obvious to me.\" It was very obvious what he had to do. Now, if your question then takes one stage further and says, \"How did Steve Wright get the idea \"to go to Africa and live in Bali,\" all this sort of, that's the question of this overlap between categories two and three. And what happens to individuals and whether, and I'm simply talking about a few aberrant characters in our culture that are doing something different, or we're talking about a trend. And I don't know the answer there. You see? It seems to me that this model of increasing peaks which we do, really has its limits, and it's starting to crack apart. And when that happens historically, I would guess that the bulk of society continues to do it, because they're familiar with it. And what you do is get a few very strange people who either run through the model very quickly and see through it, or they gap off. And I mean, this is a really, where they come from is an excellent question. Whether it's, what you were talking about, individual that's an excellent question, and whether they're talking about a cultural trend that's going to reverse the tendencies in their own society, boy, that's anybody's guess. I mean, I can refer you to a number of dystopian novels that say we're not gonna make it. Probably a more likely scenario, I don't know. Yeah?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, telling us about the of the , was somebody able to do it in terms of analyzing the paint and the brushstroke, that those were actually done in the order that was suggested, or is it just speculation?\r\n\r\n- As far as I know, it's just speculation, because basically if we're talking about a 20th century art critic, Chinese art critic, talking about a 13th century Chinese painter, so all of that is kind of guess-work. The only thing is that the, incidentally that quote comes out of a book called \"Creativity and \", if you're interested. And the author is Jane. And what Jane was essentially doing was saying, \"Given the Chinese meditative tradition, \"what's likely to be going on in this process?\" In other words, what's the difference between the ? And it maybe wrong I mean, it could be. But there's a guess about going, descending into the unconscious, going into the state of no mind and then slowly coming to conscious awareness, and what's likely to happen as a result. But sure, there's no definitely, yeah. You're gonna let me off this easy?\r\n\r\n- No.\r\n\r\n- Right.\r\n\r\n- I'm intrigued by your extrapolation from the artistic model here to political. And I too thought, one, what are the implications for education? Our educations of today is so in tune to second mind. Especially here, they have an institute called Iowa State University of Science and Technology. I think I can go down your list of characteristics of second time creativity, and show how been institutionalized and revered, probably .\r\n\r\n- See, that's the interesting thing. You take that list of characteristics, and then, you see, cultures are all . It's not that they do creativity differently than they do something else. You know? I mean, that just doesn't hold any water. It actually doesn't happen. So then what you do is, started with art, but then you can talk about education and political organization, and you can talk about the economy. And you start finding something very interesting. That they all have this kind of schema to them. I mean, one of the reasons, finally, I just had to give up being an academic was I really, you know, if I was torn between going to committee meetings and doing my own work, I couldn't take it anymore. Now, . And what's the nature of this institution? The nature of the institution, you know how somebody gets tenure? articles. Say, well, 42 pounds of articles. You should get tenure. Finally I realized I was in a madhouse that was called sanity. I just couldn't get it. And this is probably the problem that where is creativity going to come from, and it's trying one thing that's kind of depressing you, that all of these institutions continue doing the same thing until they crack from their own weight. That's what happens. Historically that is always the case. People who finally leave university, they've had it. Last month, I went to a very depressing conference in a nice place, it was in Molokai, in Hawaii, it was gorgeous. Too bad the conference contradicted the environment. But it was a healthcare conference. And they wanted me to talk about the mind-body relationship. And most of the people in the audience were MDs. Now, I wasn't the only strange person there. There were a number of people who I recall, called them alternative therapists. The conference went on for seven days, and at the end of those seven days and the MDs there were leading researchers in the fields of cardiology and brain surgeons. I mean, some of the most important names, really cutting-edge sort of stuff. And the end of the week came, with all this alternative stuff and those guys closed ranks and declared the absolute integrity of the medical method and scientific method. They hadn't moved one millimeter in seven days. Not one millimeter. There was only one person there who didn't fall into that mold. And that was Bernie Siegel, who wrote the book, \"Love, Medicine and Miracles\". And he got up and he said, \"You know, I'm not gonna talk statistics here, \"and I'm not going to talk a different argument \"because basically, doctors are very addicted \"to statistics and argument. \"And if you try to take an addict's substance away, \"he gets angry, not grateful. \"So I'm not going to give you a counter-argument. \"What I'm going to do is tell you my clinical experience.\" And he proceeded to do just that, which was actually marvelous. Didn't make a dent in the medical profession, not a dent. And so, you know, we have to have medicine here. But finally, finally we are living at the end of the second millennium, in a culture that's cracking apart. And it's cracking apart and if we keep doing this, you know, well, okay, we can keep doing that. But I think the end of the road, just as an individual can go mad or commit suicide, so can a culture. It's called nuclear holocaust. It's called poisoning the environment. I mean, this can happen. So there are alternatives, but that voice is very small. And let me tell you, that the traditional establishment in these categories are not listening. Yeah?\r\n\r\n- Can I just make a follow-up comment? I don't know if you are familiar with the psychographic issues at Iowa State right now, but one of the first suggestions for redeeming our entire university in doing college College of Design, and I think College of Design is very dangerous on this campus. I mean, I think the administration team at College of Design is dangerous. Either they're people who can't be controlled. I just don't mean to get off on ISU politics tonight, but I just want those people in the audience to think--\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I mean, you can stop, but then we say you can find this microcosm everywhere.\r\n\r\n- Everywhere, sure.\r\n\r\n- Everywhere. Why is it, that after the period of free education associated with John Hall and all those people in the '60s, that then we go back to the three Rs, and elect people like Bush and Reagan.\r\n\r\n- I didn't.\r\n\r\n- What's all that?\r\n\r\n- It's all about cultural literacy.\r\n\r\n- I mean, you know, I mean, finally, finally, this model is about terror. And finally the fear is not of sexuality as said, it's their fear of an event occurring at all. You know, that something should happen. I mean, I don't know if you folks ever read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Pirsig. Wonderful book. But this is a guy who's teaching in a university and finally flips out, you know? And it's very interesting, because at one point, he says, he talks about this business about quality and he's having the class judge his papers on how he would grade them, and when they say, finally, they turn to the wall and they say, \"Well, how do you do it?\" He says, \"I haven't the faintest idea,\" and a riot breaks out in the class So the teacher, the professor from the next classroom comes by and sticks his head in to figure out what's going on, and Pirsig looks up he said, \"Something real just happened.\" See, that's the terror. Because terror in all these institutions is an event will occur. What will we do? An event, yay! I mean, I don't know where we're gonna go. But what these organizations are about, especially in terms of their epistemology, those that are wealthy, is to keep doing the same thing. You know, it's to keep doing the same thing. Yeah?\r\n\r\n- I'm wondering if the third category would have something to do with the feminine value and your criticisms, a lot of what I've been reading recently has feminine criticism of a patriarchal society.\r\n\r\n- Mm-hmm.\r\n\r\n- Even Virginia Woolf taught something about endless ritual. Male ritual.\r\n\r\n- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, she's a good example, isn't she? Because she tried to get into university and couldn't. Yeah, and what I talked to the doctors about was the whole question of the religious tradition in the West being vertical versus horizontal. Somehow, male perceptions of reality are very vertical. They're heroic, religious. And female perceptions of reality tend to be horizontal. And I mean, the whole discussion, and it's a very important one, but one of the things I said to the doctors was, \"I don't care what the gender is of the person \"who enters medical school in their first year. \"By the time they finish, they're a man.\" Sorry? See, I mean, they come out male. It doesn't matter. Because the only way to survive is to accept a certain value system. So, yeah, I mean, that's true, although, and it's a big caveat. We're talking about two types of energy here and I hate to say that this is always associated with the male sex, and this is always associated with the female sex.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, right. Yeah, I mean, I would prefer to call those energies A and B or something, you see, it's very tricky. I don't know if any of you saw that Woody Allen film that recently came out called Another Woman, but the central character in it is a female philosophy professor at Barnard or whatever it is, who's the classic vertical model, and around age 50 is starting to become suicidal as a result. And it's only finally when she starts going to a therapist and talking about all the emotional stuff in her life that didn't cut well with the tenure committee, but was there, and the things she was feeling, that finally, she began, just towards the end of the movie, had this slight glimmer of hope that her life might be worth living. You don't have to be a man to be taught male traits. You can be woman caught in that trap too. So you're right about the issue of values. It's an issue of values and energy. And generally, I mean, this is given the label \"male\" and this is given the label \"female\". But again, it's a blurry chain. Those lines cross over, you can see. And we're talking about certain types of style. Yeah, good point. So your thoughts of the case, and coming for your talk, let's observe what we're doing here. You guys are sitting here in rows and I'm at the podium. What kind of structure is that? I know, you listen. Because that's the organization. What's the most interesting part of this? Was it when I was reading from my notes? Or when we talked together? You all know this You know, I mean, what is education about? What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? That's finally the only question we need to answer. What are we gonna do? Meet tomorrow again Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/40508/file/112156#t=0.0,1330.36408"}]}]}]}