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Hello. Hello.\r\n\r\n- [Operator] Switch on.\r\n\r\n- [Jason] Switch right here?\r\n\r\n- [Operator] Yeah. Is it up? Hit it.\r\n\r\n- [Jason] Hello. Presented by the Committee On Lectures with funding from GSB, and is sponsored by LGD, LGBT Student Services, The College of Education, Women's Studies, Margaret Sloss Women's Center, Human Development and Family Studies, Psychology, and Student Health Services. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everybody a few upcoming lectures. Tomorrow in this room Barry Lynn will speak, One Nation Under God, Where To Separate Church and State. And then tomorrow in the great hall of the union, Nadine Strossen, who is the leader of the ACLU, will speak on the Bill of Rights. Pleased to present Mr. David Moats, speaking tonight on The Civil War: The Battle For Marriage Rights. Mr. Motes is the editorial page editor for the, The Rutland Vermont Herald. He's quite accomplished in that position. In 2001, he won the Pulitzer prize for editorial writing for a series of editorials about the, the struggle for gay marriage rights in the state of Vermont. He recently had a book published, Civil Wars: A Battle For Gay Marriage.\r\n\r\n- [Operator] Is that over yet? Yeah.\r\n\r\n- [Jason] Do I need to?\r\n\r\n- [Operator] Yeah, cause nobody can hear you. Pull that up. Can you pull that up? There you go. Don't worry about that, folks.\r\n\r\n- [Jason] Can everyone hear me?\r\n\r\n- [Audience] Yeah.\r\n\r\n- [Jason] Good evening. Tonight's lecture has been presented by the Committee on Lectures with funding from GSB. It's also sponsored by the LGBT Student Services, The College of Education, Women's Studies, The Margaret Sloss Women's Center, Human Development and Family Studies, Psychology, and the Student Health Services. Before I begin, I'd like to tell you about some upcoming lectures. First, tomorrow, in this room will be Barry Lynn speaking on the separation of church and state. And tomorrow, in the Great Hall will be Nadine Strossen, leader of ACLU, speaking on the Bill of Rights. Pleased to present tonight, Mr. David Moats, speaking on the Civil War: The Battle For Marriage Rights. Mr. Moats is the editorial page editor for the Rutland Vermont Herald newspaper. And he won the Pulitzer prize in 2001 for editorial writing, writing on the struggles for marriage rights in the state of Vermont. He also recently published a book, Civil Wars: A Battle For Gay Marriage. And that book is over here, and there's, it's available to buy. And also after the lecture there'll be refreshments. Also, Mr. Motes will be having an article in the Advocate Magazine later this month. We're pleased to have him, Mr. David Motes.\r\n\r\n- [David] Thank you, Jason. Jason has been taking very good care of me today. I visited the daily offices of the daily, and had a, had a good time there. And we had a good talk about the various stories that he's been covering. And it's a great pleasure to be here. This is a very beautiful campus. I've been telling people, \"yeah, I'd been to Idaho, Iowa before. I've driven, I've driven through a couple of times.\" I guess that's what, what happens when people are going from West to East, or East to West. But it's a very beautiful campus, and I'm pleased to be here There was snow on the ground when I left home in Vermont this morning, and it's nice to have the beautiful weather here today. I was also treated very nicely to a, a lovely dinner, and people advised me I should eat the beef because I was in Iowa, and I did, and that was a good recommendation. On a personal note I also like to say, this is, this is, this is a very nice thing. In my high school yearbook there's a picture of me banging a bass drum. And what I'm doing is, I'm at a, I'm at a rally to elect a classmate student body president. That person happens to be the Dean of your college of education, Walter Gmelch. And he's right here and I'm very pleased to see him. I haven't seen him since 1965. And his wife Paula also attended our high school. And so this is a great, great thrill. I'm gonna, I have prepared remarks, of course, and afterwards we'll have questions, and I'm pleased to answer all kinds of questions about this very controversial issue. We're at a real historic moment on this issue. It's a turning point on one of the most divisive and emotionally charged issues of recent years. Look at what is happening just the past few months. In November, The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts ruled that gay and lesbian couples had the right to marry. It's the first time in, in the country that, that this had happened. Politicians in Massachusetts, barraged by outrage voices of constituents tried to find a way out. So they asked the court if the legislature would be allowed to create civil unions as an alternative. The court said, \"no, civil unions will be a second class status. Equality under the state constitution can be assured only by granting the right to marry for gay and lesbian couples. And marriages would be allowed to take place 180 days after the November ruling, which means May 17th.\" But that was just the beginning. On February 12th, Mayor Gavin Newsom of San Francisco, sterned the world by announcing that he would begin marrying gays and lesbians without waiting for court approval. And he did. In the next month, more than 4,000 gay and lesbian couples, received marriage licenses in San Francisco. And soon the idea caught on elsewhere. Portland, Oregon. New Paltz, New York. Asbury park, New Jersey. Sandoval County, New Mexico. Even the mayor of Chicago, that all American city, said that gay marriage was all right with him. This was in the, this is an extraordinary leap forward for those seeking the right to marry. For years, freedom to marry advocates have been pursuing a careful legal strategy, mounting court cases in select states that they viewed as friendly, carefully choosing plaintiffs and preparing arguments. They didn't want to stimulate a backlash. They wanted it to go step-by-step toward full legal recognition of the right to marry. That's what they won partially in Vermont, and the struggle there is the subject of my book. And that's what they want in Massachusetts. But beginning in San Francisco, the people seize the initiative from the lawyers. It was a massive act of civil disobedience. People saying the law banning gay marriage does not conform to the equal protection provisions of their state constitutions, therefore they're no longer going to obey that law. Of course, resistance to gay rights and gay marriage has always been fierce. Usually on religious grounds, but also based on the sense that gay relationships undermine traditional values and traditional families. After marriages started in San Francisco, President Bush finally announced what everyone expected, that he supported an amendment to the US constitution barring gay marriage. He and others blame what they call activist judges. So that's a lot happening in the last few months. And it's still, it's far from over. So, I would like to begin my examination of this issue by addressing the question of semantics. The issue now being debated around the nation is usually referred to as gay marriage. That's even a phase in the subtitle of my book. Often in a legal setting it's referred to as same sex marriage. When I was researching my book, I was talking with one of the leading activists in the cause of gay marriage, and he told, said to me quite plainly, \"we don't want gay marriage. We want marriage. In Vermont, you have gay marriage.\" What he meant was that Vermont had created a separate kind of marriage for gay people, and we called it, civil union. That's not what he wanted. He wanted marriage plain and simple, which is why he calls his organization, Freedom to Marry. And it's why the movement of which he is a part is often referred to as The Freedom to Marry Movement, or The Movement For Marriage Equality. It's an important point. The freedom to marry suggests that the issue of gay marriage is anchored in a broader current of American history, the American civil rights movement. In fact, this same freedom to marry activist, Evan Wolfson, had two portraits framed on the wall of his office in New York city. They weren't gay rights activists. They were Martin Luther King and Abraham Lincoln. Freedom to marry activists have been explicit in drawing a parallel between their struggle for equal rights, and the struggle of African-Americans for equal rights. In the opening words of our argument before the Vermont Supreme court in 1998, lawyer Beth Robinson pointed to a 1948 case, when the California Supreme Court became the first supreme court in the nation to throw out a ban on interracial marriage. This analogy angers some African-Americans who've told me that it's ridiculous to equate the historical suffering of blacks in America to that of gays and lesbians. One black man told me that he's marked as a member of a minority as soon as he steps out of his house in the morning. And of course, there are many differences between race and sexual orientation, as, as a human characteristic. And there are many differences between the kind of oppression that each minority has suffered. Skin color, as we know, is an arbitrary and superficial distinction. 40 years after the heyday of the civil rights movement, the idea of using skin color to bar someone from sitting at a lunch counter is ludacris to us. Not to mention making someone into a slave. Sexual orientation is more complicated. It's generally accepted that sexual orientation is a given. One doesn't choose it, one discovers it. There's, about oneself. There's a debate in scientific circles about whether or to what extent it's inherited. But I don't think that matters so much. Sexual orientation is experienced by most people as something that's fundamental to their nature. The comparison is often made to left-handedness or right-handedness. But sexuality is not something that is simply determined. All of us choose to act on our sexuality, and doing so in a healthy manner in consonance with self knowledge, and love is fundamental to human happiness. So, when we think of the idea of sexual choice it's not exactly a matter of free choice, like going into an ice cream shop, and choosing a dish of Chunky Monkey. It's a choice that's guided by an understanding of who we, of who we are, what we really want, what's best for us, given who we are. If our inner self leads us to choose someone of the same sex, that's a choice, but it's a choice based on a given. Sexuality is more complicated than skin color because sexual choices are also subject to a variety of moral considerations. Religion has a lot to say on the subject. There's a long catalog of sexual choices for straight and gay people alike that are deemed sinful. But they're not against the law because we picked, we figure people have the right to make those choices themselves without the interference of government. So no one, so no one views the choice of where to eat lunch as a moral question, but the choice of sexual partner leaves one open to all kinds of moral second guessing. There's another distinction. Race is visible. One usually cannot hide from it. Sexual orientation can easily and often is disguised. For generation upon generation, gay people have protected themselves from prejudice by trying to remain invisible. But if they have, but if they've been able to save themselves from bigotry by passing as straight, the need to disguise oneself, to lie about oneself, to live in fear of discovery, remains profoundly oppressive. And society for generation upon generation has conspired in the invisibility of homosexuality. In June, 1973, there was an arson fire at the Upstairs Bar in New Orleans. It was a gay bar and 29 people died. It was obviously an attack on gays, but none of the newspapers, including The Times-Picayune of New Orleans mentioned that the Upstairs Bar was a gay bar. Think about what that means. Up until the 1970s, the violence suffered by gays was seldom even mentioned as anti-gay violence. How do you fight violence against your people if no one even acknowledges that it's going on? The adoption of hate crimes law, law, hate crime laws, has been used to fight this particular kind of violence. The same kind of invisibility covered up discrimination on the job, or in housing, or in the harassment that gays suffered at the hands of police. This was a different kind of discrimination than that suffered by Africans Americans, but it was real and it was enormously damaging. So, gay, America was primed in 1969, at the time of the Stonewall riots in New York city. Stonewall is generally considered to be the genesis of the gay rights movement. The police had raided a bar in Greenwich village called the Stonewall. In the customary kind of harassment that they used to extract payoffs from the mafia connected bar owners. But this time three nights of rioting and renewed activism ensued. A friend of mine in Vermont happened to be involved in the Stonewall uprising back then. He was a very young man. And he said that the activism that swept up the gays of New York at that moment grew out of the times. It was a period when African-Americans, anti-war activists, feminists, others were ready to believe the worst about the police. And that summer night in 1969, the atmosphere was like a tinderbox. And finally gays and lesbians emerged onto the scene ready to fight for their rights. So, fast forward to the year 1999. Gay rights activists have learned some things. They've learned that to be out and open about one's orientation is the first step toward equality and freedom. They've learned that every step of the way as they push for hate crimes laws, or anti-discrimination laws, they will encounter vicious opposition, much of it fueled by religion. Evan Wolfson, the Freedom to Marry activist, quotes Martin Luther King to explain why he doesn't like the term 'backlash'. Backlash implies that you brought the opposition upon yourself, that it's somehow your fault, the fault of your tactics. He refers to the opposition as the inevitable resistance of those with an anti-gay agenda. Vermont's history encapsulates much of this history. And as gay marriage becomes a central issue of our time in Boston, San Francisco, New York, Portland, and even Iowa, people can see in the Vermont experience all the elements of an issue that maybe, they may be encountering for the first time. And I say, even Iowa, because there, there was a case here just at the end of last year where a judge in Iowa decided to, to dissolve a civil union that had been formed in Vermont. And people came back here and the judge encountered a lot of controversy by deciding he would, he would recognize the civil union for the purpose of dissolving it. It was, and he got a lot of flack for that. And I got an email from him. He had, his kids had got him my book for Christmas, and he, and he loved it. And he said, he said, \"can I send you my book, and you sign it?\" And I said, \"I'd be happy to.\" But he had encountered what we had encountered in Vermont, and this issue, even at the level he encountered it brings up a lot of, a lot of emotion. So people often ask me, \"what is it about Vermont? How is it Vermont was the place where the important battle for civil unions occurred.\" In response, I tell a story that Robert Kinsey told me. Kinsey was a Republican member of the Vermont House for 30 years. A dairy farmer, going all the way back to when he and his wife bought their first farm in the 1940s. He'd been asked by the New York Giants to report for spring training in Florida. He was at outfielder, a slugging outfielder in his town team in a little town in Northern Vermont. But he got a letter from Carl Hubbell telling him to report for spring training. Instead he got married and started to raise a family on his farm in Craftsbury, Vermont. They raised seven kids and, and, and milked cows for all those years. He told me about Halloween in his little town when he was a boy in the 1930s. A bunch of kids were raising hell when they got the idea that they would get a pail of water, a knock, a knock on the door of a Jewish family. Man in the village made his living buying and selling junk. Man's name was Sam Schneider. When he opened the door, they threw the water in his face. They thought it was a big laugh. Bob Kenzie was a bystander, and he was only eight years old, but he felt ashamed to be part of the crowd that did that to Sam Schneider. Mrs. Kenzie sold milk to the Schneider family on the milk road. He said he learned what bigotry was that day, as an eight year old boy, in a little town in Vermont. When it came time to the bigotry faced by gay and lesbian Vermonters, 50 years later, how many it was, he remembered Sam Schneider. From the outset, Vermonters had been trying to rest their living from a rugged landscape and a harsh climate. When the land was settled in the 18th century, they were mostly small landholders who had to rely on their neighbors just to get along. They couldn't afford inequality. They depended on each other. It was the first state to ban slavery. It's written into the constitution of 1777. It was a hotbed of abolitionism before the civil war. The liberal republicanism that characterized the state for a century after the civil war meant Vermonters were friendly to the claims of the civil rights movement in the 1950s and sixties. An influx of population during the sixties and seventies also liberalized the state, so that when gay and lesbian Vermonters began to demand equal rights, Vermonters at least some of them were willing to listen. This isn't to say that all was sweetness in life. The Vermont Supreme Court issued its ruling in the Baker case in December, 1999, requiring that the state legislature approve either marriage for gays and lesbians, or something like marriage, what they call a parallel institution, some kind of domestic partnership. But the term civil union hadn't been invented yet. As soon as that happened, many Vermonters erupted with outrage. They were angry that this change in the family, the central and most important institution of our society, was being foisted on them by a liberal court, as they saw it. They quoted from Leviticus and Romans in the Bible, saying, saying that homosexuality was an abomination. When the legislature took up the issue in January, 2000, they descended on the state house to press their point. Activists from out of state came to the state house vowing to defeat legislators who voted for gay marriage, or civil unions. One became especially notorious, an anti-abortion activist named Randall Terry. He put up a chart in his office, and he put red stickers next to the name of, names of the legislators he was vowing to defeat. So members of the legislature started to wear red stickers on their lapels. And he would go around and whispering Bible quotations at lawmakers in the hallways, and try to button hold them, and intimidated them, intimidate them. He invited a half a dozen ministers from out of state to join him at the state house, and legislators, most of them were not impressed called them The God Squad. But, an interesting thing happened during all of this. On two evenings during that winter, the House and Senate judiciary committees held public hearings at the State House. And on both nights, about 1500 people crammed themselves into the house chamber, as well as every hearing room, hallway, staircase, and closet of the State House, to hear the testimony. One by one, people came forward to speak. These were ordinary Vermonters, people in their winter coats, and their, their snow dampened boots. Some of them were outing themselves for the first time, with fear and determination in their voices. It was an enormously important education for the people of Vermont. They saw that their gay and lesbian neighbors were just that neighbors. They were good, honest, brave people speaking up for their rights against the angry denunciations that have become commonplace. One woman described how she was raising a child with her, her female partner, and the child had, used to ask her, \"when, when, when are you going to get married? When are you going to hyphenate your name?\" And she said, \"after all the hate that's been around the child doesn't ask that anymore.\" And she was making a plea for that right, the right to marry. For many people who found themselves in the middle on this issue, who maybe hadn't been, weren't familiar with issue of gay rights, or didn't know gay people, or didn't know that they knew gay people, this kind of testimony made a powerful impression. Here where people, many of them raising their kids, kids of their own coming forward to say, \"we're people too. We have loving relationships. Please respect us. Please recognize the importance of our families.\" The anger increased during the course of four months as the House and Senate passed the Civil Unions Law. But by virtue of this process, the issue of gay marriage gained a human face. Governor Howard Dean, had acknowledged at the outset that the issue made him uncomfortable. That was his word, uncomfortable. He had gained a reputation in Iowa as a very frank person. And, and it's well deserved because this was a very frank admission. And he said, \"this makes me uncomfortable, like it makes a lot of other people.\" And people had to admit, yeah, it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. People aren't used to discussing these things. But a funny thing happened. As people came forward to talk about their lives, and their desire for equal rights, they created discomfort, and they dispelled it at the same time. This whole issue was new to many people, and they didn't know what they thought about it. And that made them uncomfortable. But the people who came forward to talk about it brought out many heartfelt on their stories, truthful stories about their lives, and in doing so, they dispelled the very discomfort they had created. One of the important people during this debate was the one openly gay member of the Vermont House, named Bill Lippert. On that climactic day when the house passed the bill, Lippert gave a speech on the House floor that moved many people to tears. People were waiting for the speech, they knew Bill was going to talk soon, sooner or later. He hadn't really been out front necessarily on the issue, but people knew where he stood. Finally he decided he needed to put a human face on the issue too. And here's a little of what he said. \"Who are we? We're committed, caring, loving individuals in a time when desire for greater commitment, greater love, greater fidelity, is needed in our society. And I find it so ironic that rather than being embraced and welcomed, we're seen as a threat. We're people some of us that in recent times endured, endured the scourge of a terrible epidemic. And even in the midst of that epidemic have reached out and formed relationships, cared for each other. Holding each other sometimes as death has arrived. Don't tell me about what a committed relationship is and isn't. I've watched my gay brothers care for each other deeply, and my lesbian sisters nursing care. There is no love and no commitment any greater than what I've seen, what I know.\" The House chamber was like silent. The next person to speak after Bill Lippert was finished was Bob Kinsey, the dairy farmer from Craftsbury. With Lippert finished, Kinsey rose to his feet and said, \"I just heard the greatest speech I've heard in 30 years. And that's why I'm glad to be a friend of the member from Hinesburg, and that's why I'm glad to be on his side.\" So, in my view it wasn't in vain that Sam Schneider took that pail of water in the face. Over time it became harder and harder for people to find a reason to deny people like Bill Lippert their rights. The Supreme Court had given the legislature a choice, marriage or something like marriage. Because of the fierce opposition, the legislative leadership knew it would be impossible to pass the Marriage Bill. And they concluded civil unions would be a reasonable compromise. The freedom to marry people were extremely disappointed that the court had not granted them marriage, and that the legislature had chosen something less than marriage. In fact, on the night of the day of the court's decision, the lawyer who had argued and won the case went home and broke down in tears. She had wanted marriage outright and the court had given her something less. Eventually she and her allies excepted the compromises and the important step forward. But even after the bill had passed the anger grew. There would be an election in the fall, and opponents vowed to take their revenge. They claimed that the legislature had not listened to the people. In fact, the legislature had listened in a way that was unprecedented. They'd heard from hundreds and hundreds of Vermonters. Those hearings, those public hearings where hundreds and hundreds of people came, everybody around the state was listening on the radio, watching on TV. This was a riveting political moment. So, the legislature had listened, but they had produced an outcome that was opposed by many, who mounted a campaign that used the phrase 'take back Vermont', which meant, take it back from liberals, and flatlanders, as people from Massachusetts are called, and environmentalists, and feminists, and gays, and anyone who drives a Volvo, or eats Ben and Jerry's. The election campaign was as vitriolic and nasty as any I've experienced. People on both sides felt a lot was at stake. Incidentally, the phrase 'take back Vermont', this sort of grassroots anti-gay anti-everything kind of movement was , very powerful, and very sort of present in that campaign. Howard Dean learned something of that and he, he, he used the phrase in his campaign 'Take Back America'. So he took it, twisted it around. Anyhow. So, I've thought about my own involvement in this debate, and I realized that in the editorials I was writing at the time I was defending something more than civil unions or gay rights. I was defending a vision of my state as a welcoming, and compassionate, and respectful place. Vermont had become consumed by a bitter argument. Didn't seem to me the bitterness could be resolved by sticking one's thumb in the eye of a minority and telling them they didn't deserve equality or respect. That would only perpetuate the prejudice and depression of the past. The only way to move from this bitter moment was to move forward. And that's my sense about the present moment. All across the country people are debating about what to do. Should we pass a law forbidding recognition of gay marriage? Should we amend the constitution to forbid gay marriage? Should we go ahead and perform gay marriage? Should we sue to secure the right to gay marriage? I say, go forward. Last summer, the US Supreme Court issued a landmark ruling in a case from Texas. In that case, the court threw out the Texas law outlawing homosexual sodomy, which is to say private sexual activity by gays and lesbians. It was an extraordinary ruling from the conservative Rehnquist Court. There's an important passage in that ruling. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote that the writers of the fifth and 14th amendments which guarantee our rights, quote, \"they knew times can blind us to certain truths. And later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper, in fact serve only to oppress. As the constitution endures, persons in every generation can evoke, invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom.\" That last sentence, I'm going to repeat it. \"As the constitution endures persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom.\" President Bush and others like to condemn what they call activist judges. But here, from the conservative Rehnquist Court is a clear invitation for every generation to look to the, to the constitution in their own search for greater freedom. This passage acknowledges that laws once thought necessary may serve only to oppress. It supposes that we learn over time that the principles of the constitution can be used to end oppression. And that's kind of a good definition of judicial activism as a positive thing. In the waning days of that bitter election campaign in 2000, an elder statesman in Vermont, a Republican former governor, and former US Senator, Robert Stafford, came forward with a heartfelt plea. Some of you may be paying for your education here with the help of Stafford loans. Well, this is the guy. He was 87 years old, and in frail health, with an artificial hip, maybe two artificial hips. He was worried, but he was worried about the anger and bitterness that was consuming his state. He called a press conference and he said, \"I believe that love is one of the great forces in our society, and in the state of Vermont. And everyone in this country is better off living in a society based on love. And even if a same sex couple unites with true love, what is the harm in that? What is the harm?\" I frequently come back to that question, what is the harm? How long will we be imprisoned by the prejudice of the past? There are many people here. There are many people including I'm sure people here tonight who hold a different view, who believe homosexual sex is sinful, that it's not a matter of prejudice but of religious teaching. I don't agree with that view, but I respect it. And I, and we all have to respect it. I grew up Catholic. I understand the Catholic teaching about sexuality. My mother's Catholic. She's not a bad person. She believes Catholic teaching. In a pluralistic society there has to be room for everyone. But in a pluralistic society no one gets to impose his or her religious view on those who don't share it. And I would invite anyone seeking to perpetuate inequality in the law, from President Bush on down, to come to Vermont and meet some of the people I met as I covered this issue. Come with me to the house of Holly and Lois. One of the couples in the lawsuit that brought about the Civil Unions Law. Holly's a math professor at the university of Vermont. Lois is a nurse. For years they lived in the little town of Milton, Vermont, out in the country where they had a Christmas tree farm. They were foster parents for a number of children, a thankless and difficult job. They rode their bikes across the country to raise money for a children's camp for, for ill children. Then they rode a tandem bike from the Gulf coast to the Canadian border to raise funds. They were active members of their church, and well-liked members of their community. Eventually they adopted one of their foster children. When I visited, visited them they had moved to a condo near Lake Champlain. We sat in their living room and they told me their story. I would invite President Bush or anyone else to sit there, and look them in the eye, and tell them their life is wrong. That the commitment and dedication and good works of 30 years have been sinful, or somehow less than their relationships with anyone else. I came away admiring, even envying their relationship. Of course, there's the question of what goes on behind their bedroom door. Some of our faith, our great faith traditions say that it's wrong. There are things heterosexual married couples do behind the door that our faith traditions say are wrong. I believe that's between each person, and his or her conscience. I don't think that question should be allowed to overshadow everything that is indisputably good about that relationship and millions like it. You may have heard the legal arguments about same-sex marriage. The lawyers who've argued for, for marriage have made four main points. First, our marriage laws may say husband and wife, or man and woman, but look to the underlying purpose of marriage which is to encourage committed relationships and solid families. Holly and Lois qualify. Second, marriage is a fundamental right recognized by our courts, that can't be infringed without a good reason. Third, preventing Holly from marrying Lois amounts to sex discrimination, because Holly is being deprived this right solely because she's a woman. Four, preventing Holly from marrying Louis violates their right to make personal private decisions without interference from the government. That right to privacy has been upheld by a lengthening line of cases, going back to Roe versus, Roe V Wade. Opponents of gay marriage don't buy these arguments. For one thing they say that marriage by definition, by definition is heterosexual. The Massachusetts court in, in, in ruling in favor of gay marriage acknowledged they were redefining marriage to an extent, and they were defining it as a long, a long-term, committed, exclusive, a permanent, committed, exclusive relationship. And that, that was the important distinguishing characteristic, and that gender really wasn't, did not have to be part of the definition. But the opponents, I think, I think what they're really afraid of is that if Holly and Lois are allowed to marry, everyone will see that there really is nothing threatening or harmful about it. Their life would change a little, except that they would be accorded all the hundreds of rights and benefits other married couples already enjoy. But their life would change in this way. They would know their state had finally jettisoned the age old bias that had deprived them of their rights all of these years. Their state would be more open, would be a more open, and accepting, and respectful place. That's an important matter of principle, and a sign of a healthy democracy. In fact, I think one, my book is about civil unions, and gay rights, and so on, but one of the things that I believe, that I think is an important matter of focus is that it's about democracy. And democracy, working democracy, encountering a difficult issue and working at a local level, I call the democracy on a human scale. So when it comes down to it, I would ask everyone who feels uncomfortable about homosexuality or gay marriage, to look at your discomfort, and ask yourself whether that discomfort which is based on some kind of gut feeling maybe, or private religious belief, is what ought to be writing our laws. Ask yourself whether our constitutional principles are not meant to rise above personal bias, or private religion. Ask yourself what Robert Stafford asked, \"what is the harm? What is the harm of recognizing and honoring loving relationships that exist now, and will continue to exist? What is the harm in removing the shadow of bias that's caused so much heartache and loneliness for generations?\" I don't make this argument as a matter of personal pleading. I'm not gay, and approving gay marriage is, isn't, will not affect my life, except in this way. In my state and nation, it will give love and respect the upper hand over anger and moral denunciation. We will grant the minority in our community, not freedom from bias, there will always be bias, but it will grant them equal standing under the law. And that's not a trivial, trivial thing. If you don't think that matters, imagine how you would feel if you were, my straight friends here, if you were prohibited by law from marrying the one you loved. A lesbian friend in Massachusetts told me that she never expected she would have the right to marry. She thought she would always be an outlaw, but now she wants full recognition of her relationship which has lasted 13 years. She hasn't scheduled for May 23rd, shortly after it, the law takes effect in Massachusetts. What is the harm of that? What is the harm in finding in our constitution those enduring principles that guide our generation, in our search for greater freedom. Thank you. So, thank you. And I'm ready for any and all questions. Yes.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] In the long run do you think California's actions will be beneficial or harmful to the movement?\r\n\r\n- [David] It's argued both ways, and I would say in the long run beneficial. I, I, Jason mentioned this article I wrote for the Advocate for later, coming out later this month I talked to people on both sides of that. I talked to Bernie Frank, the congressman who, the gay, openly gay congressman from Massachusetts, who had come out opposed to the action in San Francisco. He was saying, this is gonna get people riled up. It's, it's, these aren't legal marriages, it's just a symbolic thing. And, and it's going to create a backlash and so on. And, and he's in Congress, he's fighting this in Congress. So he has a, he has a tough job on his hands, and he doesn't want any more support building up for a constitutional amendment. So he's sensitive to the backlash factor. The two senators from California, Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, I think were both, shared that feeling. But I talked to a number of the activists, including Evan Wolfson, and, and Jenny Pizer, a lawyer in Los Angeles who said, \"yeah, I understand what he's saying, but the images from San Francisco of happy people are transformative. They change people's attitudes. They, they make, they, they push it forward. They, they, each step of the way things become less threatening. They become, they be, they, they excite the opposition, but they also make the whole thing less threatening. So, in the end, people will say, okay, this is happening. The sky hasn't fallen. And, and so in the long run, I think pretty soon, you know, it won't be a matter of big celebrations and crazy, you know, hundreds of people flocking the city hall, it'll just be everyday. An everyday occurrence, and that's where, where it will probably head, you know, that's what happened in Vermont. Civil unions, everybody was afraid, you know, that Vermont would, you know, just, it would be a terrible thing for Vermont. But it just quickly became part of the landscape, and civil unions have happened. There's been more than 5,000, mostly from out of state, from every state, but North Dakota and Montana, well, when I was writing. And no bad things have happened in Vermont. So, in the long run, probably a good thing.\r\n\r\n- [Audience member] Vermont apparently has a long history of justice, with the honor of which they share with one other state. Maine also allows prisoners to vote. And that's the end, and the other 48 states democracies also around the world that allow prisoners to vote. I find it interesting that you'd also be the first state\r\n\r\n- [David] Yeah, the... I cited the example of Bob Kenzie because it's not just, you know, how the Staters who moved there from California like me, you know, it's people like him who grew up right there on the land. It's also a fact that fundamentalist religion is, has less influence in Vermont than in other parts of the country. There are fundamentalists, and they are members of the legislature who argued outright religious argument that, you know, God doesn't want this, and doesn't even recognize that they, they don't even recognize the church state divide. You know, the, the, the, this woman legislator admitted to me she's goes to Montpelier to serve God's will. And, but she's in a, much more of a minority than in like the South where fundamentalist religion is much more prevalent. And so it's not such a hard battle to separate church and state. Yes.\r\n\r\n- [Audience member] Can you tell us about any discrimination or backlash that you experienced when you started writing your editorials, and how you related that to the discrimination that same sex couples experience on a regular basis?\r\n\r\n- [David] The question was, did I, what , what backlash, or discrimination, or harassment, I've encountered as I was writing my editorials. And in fact, very little. My editorials are anonymous and, and, I got tons of letters to the editor, but they were more outraged about the issue rather than about me or what I was writing. There, there was, there are occasional people who really get it, have it in for me, you know, and they'll write an angry letter. In 1992, when the legislature was wrestling with an anti-discrimination law, there was a very angry woman, just one woman that really, the whole thing just drove her crazy. And she called up and was very kind of almost abusive on the phone. But, you know, that goes with the territory. And I did not... Legislators received hate mail, and hate phone calls, and everything else, they were the ones receiving it. One legislator told me that, you know, she had all this stuff on her voicemail machine, and her husband was erasing it, and she said, \"no, don't erase it, I have to hear it,\" you know. Another, and Governor Dean wore a bulletproof vest during that campaign. They, they were afraid of stuff. And, and I saw an example of the hate mail that was coming in, and it was pretty vile. But it didn't, it didn't come to me. I still get it. I mean, I've been writing about the stuff in Massachusetts, and I, I'm more identified with this issue now because of the book and so on. And there's one letter writer who called me the high priest of homosexuality. I thought, okay, well, whatever. Yes.\r\n\r\n- [Audience member] I have an idle question, but may I point something in development in the future here. What if a gay couple are married, and then decided to break up. Can they got a divorce in the regular fashion?\r\n\r\n- [David] Yeah.\r\n\r\n- [Audience member] Is that, was that ever brought up in the question in Vermont?\r\n\r\n- [David] Yeah, it's created problems for couples. You know, for, for regular marriage if you go to Vermont, and you get married, and then you come back to Iowa, and you're living in Iowa, and you want to get divorced, that's okay. I mean, the Iowa divorce courts recognize your marriage from Vermont, and then they'll grant you a divorce. But with civil unions you go to Vermont, you get a civil union and you come back to Iowa, and then you run into cases in a number of States where the judge won't even recognize that you have a civil union, because the state doesn't recognize it. So, you can't dissolve it. You can't go to Vermont to dissolve it because Vermont only grants divorces to residents. Even now, I mean, if you're living in Iowa, and you want to get divorced, you don't go to Vermont to get divorced. Only the Vermont divorce courts, the family courts only take up divorce issues with Vermont residents. And so, you can't go back and get it undone in Vermont if you don't live there. So, there's people in a variety of states, these cases have come up in Texas, and Georgia, and Iowa, and, and people Stockwell. So, they just have to separate like they would do if they weren't married, I guess. As, except for that one judge in Iowa who did decide to dissolve it legally saying, \"well this is a legal partnership of some sorts. So, I mean, dissolve it.\" Yeah. Yeah, we would talk about marriage for gays and lesbians. What was the joke I heard? I was on a radio program by phone, on a radio station in Berkeley, California. And there was a comedian on with me, and a lesbian woman comedian, and she closed her comments with this joke. She said, she was quoting a friend who was also a comedian, and he was saying, \"so the gays want to get married. Haven't they suffered enough?\" Point being that, you know, we talk about the, the, the joy of gay and lesbian people finally getting married, but, you know, it's life, it's hard, and, you know, you have your ups and downs, you get divorced, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43604/file/116641#t=0.0,2792.16"}]}]}]}