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Before I introduce this evening's speaker, I would like to call your attention to tomorrow's schedule of events. JOHN Fife, who is currently appealing his conviction for conspiracy to violate federal laws for his work with the Sanctuary Movement. Will be speaking at noon in the maintenance shop on civil institutions and the Constitution civil initiatives excuse me and the Constitution. At 3PM in the gallery, Charles Griswold, a professor of philosophy at Howard University, will discuss Thomas Jefferson and slavery, theory and practice in the American founding. Closing Tuesday's program will be a debate on religion and politics. Where do we draw the line between Anthony Podesta of people for the American way, and Robert Grant of Christian voice. It is now my honor to introduce Margaret Randall to you and to welcome her back to the Iowa State campus, where she addressed the university community during the 1984 institute on world affairs. It was then my pleasure to service her student house and I'm very glad to be repeating that duty this evening. Margaret is a noted poet, photographer, oral historian, editor, translator and political analyst. The author of more than 30 books. She recently returned to the United States after living in Latin America for 23 years, most recently in Nicaragua. She is currently a member of the faculty at New Mexico, the University of New Mexico where she teaches women's and Americana Studies. Her most recent publications include 'Christians and the Nicaraguan revolution Sandino's daughter's, risking a somersault in the air, the coming home poems, and Albuquerque coming back to the USA.' Margo we discussing the writer in the Constitution, her knowledge and insights from her recent legal battles with the Immigration and Naturalization Service, under the auspices of the McCarran-Walter Act, held to be an undesirable simply on the basis of her writings, which were set to promote the ideologies of world communism by INS lawyers. She was given deportation papers, this case is currently on appeal. The implications these actions under the McCarran-Walters Act, send beyond the grave personal consequences that they've had for Margaret, for this act is also used to limit the access of writers from other countries to the United States, and their free expression in this United States. Within our lectures program, we have requested speakers who were unable to come to the United States, because of the writings and works. If you feel so moved, I would encourage any of you to write to your legislators to try and have certain provisions of the McCarran-Walters Act changed and if you have questions, I'm sure Margaret would be more than happy to answer them at the end of her presentation. And it is now my honor to give you Margaret Randall a woman that I'm very proud to call my friend.\r\n\r\n- Well, I'm very proud to call Lisa, my friend as well. And I'm very proud to be back here with you. It was a wonderful experience in 1984. When I came to this campus, not only because of the interesting people that one meets who are also attending and participating in this kind of an institute, but because something like this can go on at a campus, year after year, it's tremendously impressive to me I wish we had something like this at the University where I teach. One of the things that this case has done to my life is... taken about 95% of my time, and just run off somewhere with it. And I make this comment because I'm going to be essentially reading to you tonight, which is something that I don't like to do. I never used to read talks I used to just talk them and being the protagonist in this kind of a case really does impede one's thinking process. So I read today in an effort not to forget anything or say it backwards, and I hope you'll bear with me. I'd like to begin my remarks with three quotes, which I would like you to keep in mind as I speak to you tonight. The first is a brief quote from a poem by Bertolt Brecht. The poem is called 'literature will be investigated.' And Brecht said, \"whole literature is conceived In selective fragments, will be investigated to find some sign that rebels also lived, where there was oppression.\" I repeat this sometimes to myself on depressing days. The other is a quote from Adrienne Rich \"truthfulness anywhere means a heightened complexity. But it is a movement into evolution.\" And the third quote is by our friend Alfred Giugni, who spoke to us this afternoon. The INS official in El Paso, Texas who signed the first denial for my adjustment of status that is the first official papers denying me residency in this country. Giugni ended his denial with the following words. \"Her writings go far beyond mere dissent, disagreement with or criticism of the United States or its policies. Your pending application for adjustment of status is hereby denied.\" With these words, a representative of the state the INS regional director in El Paso, Texas ended his seven page decision and my 17 months wait. He wielded his discretion to use the ideological exclusion clause of the McCarran-Walter, Immigration and Nationality Act. He exercised his imagination as well as authority when he handed down a negative response to my petition to reside in the land of my birth. An artist to writer, I was being excluded on the basis of my written opinions. In books published more than a decade ago, I had criticized US government policy in Southeast Asia. More recently, I criticized US policy in Central America. In the 60s, I had upon occasion spelled America with a K or even with three Ks. In the 70s called the attic of prisoners in revolt my brothers and the police attacking them pigs. Moreover, I had written enthusiastically about many aspects of Cuba's socialist experiment and the innovative pluralist experiment in Nicaragua. Perhaps most dangerous of all many of my books have given voice to those who have previously been silenced or ignored. For more than 15 years, I have done an oral history with the ordinary people of countries about which the US public is fed information, geared to produce an image of childlike incapacity, racial inferiority and uniform yearning for the American way of life, or packaged in a context devoid of any real historical continuity. By searching out translating, and transcribing the words of a granddaughter of slaves in Cuba's Western tobacco country, a teenage peasant anti aircraft gunner from a coastal village in Vietnam, a Puerto Rican patriot whose two children died of hunger, a Cuban farmer who writes peasant theater and verse, nuns and priests who took an active part in the Nicaraguan struggle and ordinary and extraordinary women in Cuba, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Peru, Chile, I participated in a developing literary genre, which seems particularly threatening to the current interpreters and enforcers of immigration law in this country. This, of course, is nothing new. Sophocles was put to death in a terminal exercise and thought control. Shelley and his time cried out in defense of the writers imagination. The Witches of Salem and countless other women who throughout history, followed their deepest needs to speak or write the truth as they knew it, have paid with their lives. Julius Streicher was hanged by the Nazis, persecution of writers and artists during China's Cultural Revolution, or under the more rigorously Stalinist periods in some of the Eastern Bloc countries is well known. Classism, racism, sexism, hetero sexism, ageism, and abled bodyism are constant challenges to the writers imagination. Perhaps, many perhaps would say that persecution of the freedom to think and express oneself does not take place in the United States. They would be wrong. McCarren-Walter Immigration and Nationality Act is less studied by most Americans than the constitution or Bill of Rights. The Slater judged subversive some years back by more than 80%, in a street poll held in the nation's capital. The McCarran-Walter Act was passed by a McCarthy inspired Congress over president Truman's veto in 1952. Truman in his veto message said the Act would place constraints on citizens and aliens. Yet this law with its vague clauses clear first amendment infringement and the broad discretionary powers it gives INS bureaucrats would still more than 30 years later, keep out literary giants of the stature of Nobel Prize winners Pablo Neruda and Gabriela Garcia Marquez, or an American born writer like myself, who's American born family lives in this country. The list of writers excluded by this legislation is a long one. It includes the English novelist Graham Greene. Farley Mauer, the Canadian environmentalist and author of such bestsellers is never cry wolf describes an experience interestingly similar in its essential points to my own. My discovery of America is recently published in lively account of being stopped by INS at the border when he attempted to comply with an invitation to give a lecture at Chico State College in California. Mexico's Carlos Fuentes and Uruguay's Ángel Rama have been denied visas. And many who are not writers but who certainly provide important points of view to which the American people have a right personalities like Chili's or or Edlis Nino pesty the native German general who speaks against the arms race these people have also been judged excludable under the same clause of McCarran-Walters I have. Ángel Rama's case is the one which bears most similarities to my own. Rama was not seeking a temporary visa in order to give a lecture or teach one term at a university or promote a book. Like me, he had applied for permanent residency status. He did not have family ties in this country, but he had been invited to teach at American University and he wanted to live here. Ángel Rama's political philosophy was a kind of classic to say the least. He had virulently it criticized the Cuban Revolution, although INS officials proclaimed him a communist, he was not kindly looked upon by a number of socialist governments, which considered him a conservative. The case against him came down to a denial of his right to express his views. And he was not even told what the government claim those views were. This was an interesting case, because Ángel Rama tried time and time again to find out exactly what it was that he was being accused of. And what the government did in his case was simply cite the entire four or five pages of the relevant part of McCarran-Walter and said somewhere in there is what you did, and we can't tell you what it was because that would be divulging sources. Ángel Rama was fighting the decision against him when an airplane accident over Madrid, tragically put an end to his life. So, we'll never know whether he would have won his case or not. Why some may asked does the US poem writer need to apply for residency in her own country? How can that residency be denied in the context of immigration law? The essential premise of which is supposed to be family reunification, when the person in questions husband, mother, father, brothers, sister, and two of her children are all American citizens. Again and again, I've been asked How I lost My original citizenship. If marriage to an American does not automatically qualify one for residency, why I find myself in this situation. So briefly, I'm going to give you some of the history. In the late 1950s, I was living in New York City trying to become a writer. In 1960 I had my first child. As a single mother in the New York of those years there wasn't much of a support system childcare was almost non existent. women had not yet come together in the organizations who were later to develop in order to meet our needs. I moved to Mexico with my son in 1961 hopeful of finding a way of life which would enable me to write and spend more time with him, as I supported both of us. The 60s saw a tremendous renaissance in what would be known as the little publishing phenomenon, little magazines, small presses, groups of poets and writers whose work was avant garde and any one of the ways in which every generation produces its cultural nonconformists. El Corno Emplumado/ The Plumed Horn, was the bilingual quarterly I co-founded and edited from Mexico City during the next eight years. In its pages important American poets and writers like William Carlos Williams, Ezra Pounds, Charles Olson, Robert Creeley, Allen Ginsberg, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Denise Levertov, Diane Murkowski and others were introduced for the first time to a Latin American public. Readers north of the Rio Grande had access to the work of Ernesto Cardenal, Violeta Parra, Roberto Fernandez Retamar, Roque Dalton, Nancy Morejon, Octavio Paz, and even those classics whose names we knew, but whose work we had never read, like . The imagination of the writer in the imagination of the state, where matters deeply explored in the 32 issues of Elkhorn . Some states such as Cuba, imagined the writer is important, providing a context for creativity even in the midst of a survival struggle that demanded constant vigilance and produced from time to time, no small degree of defensiveness, states like Somozas Nicaragua, felt threatened by the imaginations of vastly differing writers, to have one's name on the list of authors whose books were not allowed past that country censors in the 60s and early 70s was the sad pride of many of us. Consequently, in many places, the writers imagination was forced into opposition, with the death dealing imagination of a state. Poets felt and expressed the struggles and dreams of their people. Some of the most outstanding died participating in the armed struggles that ensued Javier herrero, Otto Rene Castillo, Leonel Rugamma, Monica Rudolph wall to name a few. In the developing dependent countries of the so called third world, the writers imagination has traditionally been more closely engaged with the daily forces of life and death. The best of Latin American letters has bridged fabricated gap between magic realism and social testimony, precisely the same McCarthy era madness that produced legislation, like the McCarran-Walter Act, cast a slow, thawing chill on such engagement in this country. And I should say at this point that the revival of these ideas during the Reagan administration has renewed I think considerably that shell. To be sure, the danger of state imposed conformity and rhetoric also exists in the world of art, witnessed the weight of a misunderstood social realism, or the tragic disregard for cultural continuity seen during the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Open discussion about these issues is a part of every really profound period of social change. And nations bring their own particular cultural history to bear on these discussions. In the pages of El Corno Emplumado, I first experienced the individual artists or small group of unaffiliated artists dealing with this phenomenon. Later in Cuba, I would live through a period of collective exploration of the same. And in Nicaragua witness quite a remarkable example of one revolutions creative handling of the problem. As a result of my involvement through the magazine with the vanguard of young writers and artists during those years, I myself moved from a position of Art Beyond politics, which is the way we were taught in this country to regard art, to one in which a more humanistic approach to artistic expression included a much broader take on life, very much including the political. Oral history, especially with women became a necessity for me. The voice of the ordinary woman and man became central to my work. It found its way into my poetry, as well as becoming the backbone for books of essays and interviews. In Cuba and Nicaragua, I would come to understand how testimonial or oral history as it is called in Latin America, grew as a new literary genre within the context of a people's revolution. But I'm getting beyond myself in the story. In the mid 60s living in Mexico, married to a Mexican poet, and with three small children to support, I took out Mexican citizenship as a way of enlarging my job possibilities, in a time of economic need. I was told by my lawyer that I must inform the American Embassy of my acquisition of Mexican nationality. When I did so, and without adequate information as to other options, I allowed myself to be placed in a position where I simply signed my American citizenship away. Less than two years later, in 1969, I realized my error and attempted to regain my original status. Although taking out Mexican citizenship was an economic move and not a political statement. As some have tried to claim, I now consider it a mistake. Not one, however, for which I believe I should be penalized forever. My personal story is important only in that it is part of a larger one. The imagination of the state exists only in sofar as it is the sum of the best and most lasting elements created by the imaginations of the peoples of that state. And imagination is perhaps the element which most successfully moves beyond state imposed boundaries, to link all peoples in the uniquely priceless parts of a common vision. The celebration of our differences as well as of our commonalities, is what makes it possible for those of us in vastly different cultural menus to thrill to work as varied as those produced by the classic Greek dramatists. Sappho Shakespeare, the Russian novelists, the Latin American magic realists, the passion of against Berg, the insight of an Alice Walker, with a deep knowledge of an Adrienne Rich. These are writers imaginations each in its time and space, which both challenge and change the imagination of the state, pushing it to new limits of life and power, not the traditionally assumed state power of law and order, authority and force, but the power of ideas of evocations and dreams alive and all the last from what we make can do. It is within this context of this view of the relationship between the writers imagination, and the imagination of the state that a number of prominent American writers have joined with me as plaintiffs in a civil action filed in Washington's federal district court in October of 1985. Norman Mailer, Arthur Miller, Toni Morrison, Grace Paley Rose and William Styron, Kurt Vonnegut, Alice Walker, and Penn's American Center as a whole, among others, have joined in the filing of this complaint against the US Attorney General, the Commissioner of immigration, and the INS Regional Director, Alfred Giugni who signed the denial, both to attempt to get a reversal of the decision in my case, and to legally challenged the constitutionality of the ideological exclusion clause of the McCarran-Walter Act. The National writers Union, the Writers Guild, the Association of American university professors, and a number of other organizations are supporting our action in an amicus brief. In part our complaint leads, defendants denied Randall's application because of her political views as reflected in the contents of her writings, defendants activities have cast and will continue to cast a chill over Randall First Amendment freedoms. These actions convey to her the message that she will be separated from her home, her family, her friends, her colleagues and her job, to the extent that her writings is subjectively viewed as beyond mere dissent, disagreement with or criticism of the United States or its policies. The brief goes on to state that defendants actions have caused and continue to threaten irreparable damage to plaintiffs first amendment rights as citizens and voters to meet Converse and inform themselves about some of the most critical issues facing Americans today, and to associate and exchange ideas face to face with Randall, respecting their mutual aesthetic and literary interests. Close quote. In my writers imagination, I have believed and continue to believe that a critical view was consistent with love, not with hate, that the principles from which I criticize US policy are not subversive, but in fact, those upon which the greatest traditions of any democracy rest, that the imagination of the state is informed and enriched most meaningfully by the imagination of her writers and artists, and that only in a climate of absolute artistic freedom, can the imagination flourish and grow. However, needless to say, this was not the government's opinion. And so at the hearing, and was in March, a hearing to show cause before an immigration judge in El Paso a number of things happened, which I think might also be interesting for you to hear. The government had claimed all along that this was not a First Amendment case. Whenever a government official, an INS official was asked by someone of the press, they would say, \"Oh, no, she overstayed her time here,\" which was what Giugni said this afternoon, or some other sort of very formalistic reason. They claim that my freedom to express myself was not an issue. Yet we brought a dozen witnesses to El Paso, and the government brought no witnesses at all. They only brought my work, thousands of pages of articles, essays, poetry, stacks this high. Some had been translated into a crude often erroneous English, from Spanish publications in turn translated from my English. In this way, the court was told that I had gone to Cuba in 1967 to quote, meet with through Reuben Dario, a Nicaraguan poet already dead many years by that time, the original had read to a meeting in honor of Ruben Dario. The prosecuting attorneys response to my protest at that distortion of my work was, \" well, who knows perhaps who met with a ghost.\" The government had a bell optical machine in the courtroom throughout the hearing, it seemed they intended to show what they termed anti American cartoons, not created by me, but published by me during the 60s in the magazine that I then edited. The judge himself finally persuaded them of the absurdity of that project. But I bring this up because sometimes people have a hard time relating to what this kind of a case would mean, in your lives and clearly at some point, just to be a cartoonist might be a bit too much. Interestingly, two of the government's three attorneys were women. One was also Hispanic, Guadalupe Gonzales was her name, but she could neither correctly pronounce the Spanish language nor did she speak it. A loss to her own sense of heritage. And an example of how the society manages to affect the meltdown on its multiple ethnicities. Some feminists have asked me if I think this lawyer was specifically assigned to my case, I don't think she was. She's the head counsel for INS in the border city of El Paso. And her choice undoubtedly has much more to do with the hundreds of Latin undocumented workers. She returns across the border every month than it has to do with my situation. It was almost impossible to make eye contact with either Guadalupe Gonzales, or Penny Smith, that was the other lawyer. I tried, I spent almost four days, countless testimony hours trying to engage these women on some human level. It wasn't possible. The line of questioning was like something out of the 50s it was never Cuba, it was always communist Cuba, or Castro communist Cuba, or totalitarian Cuba. It was never the Nicaraguan government, but the Marxist government of Nicaragua or Nicaragua's totalitarian government. And this is interesting because I don't know how many of you have seen the current issue of Mother Jones there's a short piece in it about my case, which centers on a new kind of almost statutory event if you will. In my hearing they establish something they called presidential infallibility. And they said that since President Reagan characterizes the Sandinistas in a certain way, and I characterize them in a different way. Since he's president, he is obviously right and therefore I am wrong. And it's a sort of a papal characterization of the President. The line of question... I was asked how I felt about seeing my work published in a magazine that also publishes communists. I was asked if I ever published in that magazine, a poem praising the free enterprise system. And I was even asked at one point in this hearing, whether I was willing to take up arms to defend the United States against communist Cuba. The judge himself felt obligated to insist that I not answer that least question, even before my lawyer jumped to his feet to object. Spiegel, that was the judge pointed out that in a country where conscientious objection exists, there is no law requiring citizens, much less those seeking residency to willingly take up arms. friends, but miners from Silver City and farm workers from the border area, the government had an occasional Secretary on her lunch break, or federal Marshal in belligerent stance to bolster its waning ego. One incident comes back of the many from El Paso which holds meaning for me, one day after a particularly distorted line of questioning, designed to make me appear like some hybrid of the sensationalist media image of FL Rosenberg, and Matta Harry, my lawyer asked me if I would like to define my own life for the court. I spoke then of being a poet, a photographer, a teacher, an oral historian. Later in the courthouse lobby, a local woman stopped me for a moment, she appeared to be her in her early 40s. \"Now, I know,\" she said, and there was a particular radiance in her oz. \"Now I know what it is I want to do. I've known for a while, but I didn't know its name. And I never could explain it to my advisor over there at school, an oral historian. That's what I want to be.\" It was a very special moment of communication for me. I could speak about at length about those four days in El Paso, about our testimony, and theirs about the atmosphere about solidarity. I could write about our exhaustion the way each of us made it through with strength and then fell apart in a variety of ways as soon as the ordeal was over. The shock of experiencing lines of questioning and attitudes that most educated people would not believe could be taken seriously in 1986. There are lots of stories. Undoubtedly, they will find their way into more detailed writing about this case, enough now to make a single point the prosecution's arguments were based on guilt by association, red baiting of the worst sort, character assassination, an attempt to shame and outright lies. Each day, I felt more whole, more possessed of greater dignity against such adversaries one can only grow in one's convictions. We were wrong however, if we believed anything happening in that court might actually influence the judge's decision. His mind seemed to have been made up before we even started. Judge Spiegel seemed thoughtful and relatively honest man, I'm sure some of our witnesses and many of our affirmations favorably impressed him. But his confessed goal is to one day leave the immigration bench and become a bankruptcy judge. Perhaps he could not face to his colleagues in the halls of INS had he not handed down a negative decision in my case. He threw out the government's most absurd accusations. He even went so far as to assert that had he not found me ineligible, under McCarran-Walter. My family ties and contributions to the community would have led him to grant me discretionary relief. But judge Spiegel did find me in eligible under McCarran-Walter, he claimed to have read 2700 plus pages of my work, and found that it quote, advocates the doctrines of world communism. And as I've said on under on other occasions, in his decision, he gives two examples of what for him is advocating the doctrines of world communism, my praising the position of Cuban women today, and my criticism of US policy in Vietnam. He stuck to the letter of a 1952 law, and he ordered me out of my homeland by December first. We of course, are appealing, and we will continue to appeal until we win, or our recourses are exhausted. People asked me how I feel forced into the role of protagonist in a case like this. It would be a lie to evade the uncentering nature of this kind of a situation, engaging my imagination, and the greatest output of my physical energies in this new way, has disrupted my creative life as well as my work life, my family life, at times even my sanity. But I deeply believe the issues at stake are larger than anyone's personal situation. I feel that I am engaged in a struggle for many besides myself, for writers and also for others, who do not have the good fortune to be represented by the Center for Constitutional Rights, who do not enjoy the support of pen, the writers Union and the Guild, or other writers of stature and conscience. If I win, we all win. And if I lose, I only lose in a very personal sense, we will still have provided a forum through which hundreds of thousands are we examining our personal and collective freedoms, and working to create a world society more just for all its members. I'm a poet and I feel that I best express myself in poetry. And so I would like to end the more formal part of my presentation. Certainly, I will be willing later to answer questions and talk informally with you. But I would like to end this part of it with the reading of two poems, both of which, in some important ways, come out of the experience of the first poem, not directly, the first poem is more simply out of the experience of having returned to the United States after 23 years in Latin America. The second poem is more directly related to the experience of this case. The first poem is called 'The Gloves.' And it's for an old friend, a woman with whom I worked many years ago in New York City named Rhoda Waller. It emerged this poem from a letter Rhoda sent to me in which she reminisced about the first political demonstration we ever went to together, which, in fact, was the first political demonstration I ever went to years ago in New York, and it's called 'The Gloves.' Yes, we did march around somewhere, and yes, it was cold. We shared our gloves because we had a pair between us. And a New York City cop also shared his big gloves with me. Strange, he was there to keep our order. And he could do that. And I could take that back then. We were marching for the Santa Maria Rhoda, a Portuguese ship whose crew had mutinied. They demanded asylum and Goulart, Brazil, and we marched in support of that demand in winter in New York City, back and forth before the Portuguese consulate, Rockefeller Center in 1961. I gauge the date by my first child, Gregory was born later 1960. As I gauged so many dates by the first, the second, the third, the fourth, and I feel his body now again close to my breast, held against cold, to our strong steps of dignity. That was my first public protest Rhoda strange you should retrieve it now in a letter out of this love of ours alive these many years. How many protests since that one? How many marches and rallies for greater causes? Larger wars, deeper wounds cleansed or untouched by our rage. Today, a cop would hardly unbuckle his gloves and press them around my blue red hands. Today, a baby held to breast would be a child of my child, a generation removed. The world is older and I in it, I'm older, burning slower, with the same passions. The passions are older. And so I am also younger for knowing them more deeply, and moving in them pregnant with fear and fighting. The gloves are still there in the cold, passing from hand to hand. That poem was written in March of 1984. In October of that same year, already involved in this immigration case. I wrote the following poem, a short poem, which I call 'Immigration Law.' And this poem is sort of my answer to the continuous question, what does it feel like to be involved in a case like this? When people started asking me that question, I'd whip out my most politically correct answer. And I'd say something somewhat rhetorical. Which I also believe deeply, but I think people were asking for something else. And some people close to me would say, Come on, what does it really feel like? And I began to realize that those two answers are not necessarily mutually exclusive. And that was the origin or the birthing of this poem. When I asked the experts, how much time do I have I do not want an answer in years, or arguments. I must know if there are hours enough to mend this relationship. See a book all the way to its birthing. Stand beside my father on his journey. I want to know how many seasons of Chamisa will be yellow, then gray, green and yellow light, again, how many red cactus flowers will bloom beside my door I do not want to follow language like a dog with its tail between its legs. I need time acquainted with music. hours rising in bread, years deep from connections. The present always holds a tremor of the past. Give me a handful of future to rub against my lips. Thank you. As I said I'd be happy to answer questions if anyone has any or maybe you'd rather speak informally or I don't know how you do this here So,\r\n\r\n- Can you talk about trial like yours has on writers in general. If you ever have to lose yourself years ago, then what you wrote would be used against you because you said it.\r\n\r\n- I never thought years ago that what I wrote would be used against me, I was pretty innocent as I think many of us were. And I thought that I believed all the things that one said, or one heard or one learned in school, that there is freedom of expression that people can write what they want, and so forth. I think that this kind of a case not only has a chilling effect on the people who are going through it, in this case, myself, and not only on writers, I think that it has a chilling effect on everyone. As a teacher, in the university, as a professor, I've often wondered, in the class, well, you know, if I say what I really think about this or who is the accuracy in academia person who is sitting here in the classroom, if in fact, there is one. Yes, I've had those thoughts and those fears, and very much provoked by the experience of going through this case, I resist them and I resist them ferociously, and insist upon continuing to write what I believe, and continuing to teach in the way that I feel is correct, because I think that when you're involved in a case like this, you understand that that's the only attitude to take that if you don't you... then are letting them win a little. 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court","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261#t=920.81,923.28"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31400/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or would, or conceivably, could it still be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261#t=923.28,926.5"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31400/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"could the act be changed and you would still","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261#t=926.5,929.32"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31400/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have to face it feeling the court decisions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261#t=929.32,932.537"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31400/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e No. If the act were changed, it would affect my 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I don't think because it's retroactive","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261#t=936.82,939.61"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31400/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I think just because my case is still in process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261#t=939.61,942.26"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31400/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you very much then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261#t=947.4,948.82"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31400","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31400/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/031/400/original/AV203649_The_Writer_and_the_Constitution_b.vtt?1627045878","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/031/400/original/AV203649_The_Writer_and_the_Constitution_b.vtt?1627045878"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31401","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AV203649_The_Writer_and_the_Constitution_b.txt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261/transcript/31401/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- It's just like and in a time of economic stress such as the present time in the United States when jobs are scarcer and people, you know find it more difficult to find work and more difficult to keep jobs and to get tenure and to get promotions. I think that people tend even more to restrain themselves or sensor themselves in certain ways that you know, might make that situation easier. So I think that this is a period too, economically as well as politically, that sort of conspires to make censorship and self-censorship a reality. So I think those are, those are dangerous. Yes, I'm represented by the center for constitutional rights which is a, a, an organization of, of lawyers and legal workers in New York city. They do a lot of constitutional law, human rights civil rights work. And one of the first things they did was to ask for my files from 17 different government agencies under the freedom of information act so far, they have, this was all almost two years ago. I think that the, that the affidavit, the, you know, the I guess they were affidavits or whatever they were. I remember I had to sign in front of a notary. Today they'd gotten 750 pages of FBI files, which tell us absolutely nothing everything is crossed out. All the interesting part is crossed that, you know so all the hands and buts and so far, they're all in there. I don't know if we're going to get anything else that will be useful in any way.\r\n\r\n- I know that there are people who have gotten useful information from requesting their files, just in my case. It that's the way it's been. So, and I think in a number of other cases\r\n\r\n- Was there anything you could have done?\r\n\r\n- The whole citizenship issue is I didn't go into it tonight because it's very complicated that, you know it would have taken a whole other hour. We claim that I, in fact, did not lose my citizenship because at the time that I took out Mexican citizenship there was a case in the Supreme court here called the phloem Ramsey Clark was attorney general at that time he's coming later this week to to speak to you in the Institute. And he is of the opinion as well and put an affidavit to this effect into my brief that I did not lose my citizenship because of the nature of a foil because of the procedures which were used in the American concept, with regard to how my case was handled. I was never told the consequences of what the consequences for my life involved in taking out Mexican citizenship, America the United States doesn't have dual citizenship. They don't recognize dual citizenship. So it wasn't that I I wanted to give up my American citizenship. It was that I wanted to take out Mexican citizenship. And as a result of that, I lost my American citizenship because United States doesn't recognize dual citizenship. If I had been a Dutch citizen or a British citizen for example, or a Canadian citizen, or a citizen of a number of other countries that does recognize dual citizenship then the mere act of having required citizenship from another country would not have implied a loss of my original citizenship as an American. It did imply that in some way, on the other hand because of reframe other other considerations were present. But as I say it since a conflict, we we also lost on the citizenship. We also, we tried to prove in El Paso that I had not in fact lost my citizenship. And we had affidavits, as I say, one of them from ramps at Clark and so forth to that effect. But this judge also ruled that in his opinion I have lost my citizenship. We are also appealing that. So that's a whole sort of other part of this case. And I, and I don't talk about it. Not because they don't want to talk about it but because I feel that the other issue the residency issue that the first amendment issue the constitutional issue in this case is more important because it affects many more people. And I think that McCarran it's time that we do something about McCarran Walter in this country. And there are, I don't know if you're aware that there are a couple of moves in Congress to try to reform those sections of McCarran Walter that are particularly offensive including the ideological exclusion clause representative Barney Frank from Massachusetts has a bill in the house, which he's going to read, present. I think very soon he did present it in 1983 and it didn't go, there's another bill, but in in the Senate that was presented by Charles Matthias, who's now retired. And I think that Senator Simon, is going to pick that bill up. So there's, there's a few moves in Congress aimed at trying to, to reform Karen Wolver. I think that that's the important issue at this point. And there've been a number of cases, of course, recently the Patricia Lara case and other cases which have brought people's attention to the fact that this law exists and that many people are being kept out of the country because of it. So I think that it's a time when we might get together and try to do something about that. And for that reason, I emphasize when I speak about the case, I emphasize that aspect of it but there is also the citizenship aspect in my case.\r\n\r\n- How do you think that your career as an author will be affected if you loose this case?\r\n\r\n- I have no idea, I don't know. I mean, I think my life will be deeply affected. Personally by losing this case. I, my family life, my personal life, I don't know how it would affect my life as, as an author.\r\n\r\n- I don't practice self censorship that I know of. I try not to Oh, absolutely.Yes. I think that the fact that I lived in Cuba for a long time that I've written about women and Cuban culture and cube and I've written about Cuban ways that certainly don't agree with the current administration's policies regarding Cuba. I think the same is true of Nicaragua. I think that that is very much a part of this case. I think that\r\n\r\n- Can you have any ideas about or could you tell us what it is you think that led this governance a single out in this persecution? I mean, there are surely other auditors, right? Can I quote on an IRR hate pendants? And I don't really believe that they current administration readers anyway do you have any ideas of why they picked on you?\r\n\r\n- I have some ideas and I think they're probably somewhat subjective. I don't, you know, I think some of them are pretty obvious and others, perhaps, I don't know, you know, what they are. I think that in general, this administration tends to use branches of the government like INS and like IRS and so forth to as tools or weapons if you will of their ideological policy. So I think that in that sense, my cases is just sort of a part of that. And perhaps it's, you know, it could have been anybody else or it is many other people it's not just me. If there are particular reasons which have to do with my life, I would say that they involve perhaps having lived in Cuba and Nicaragua, having written about those two countries in ways, which certainly don't agree with the administration policy. I think that being a woman, who is not willing to say I'm sorry. I mean, certainly lots of the, the testimony was very womanizing was very objectifying. Perhaps those are some of the reasons. I also think that there may be Sort of a few crazier reasons that are, You know, I think that it's very possible, that my case came up some low level INS bureaucrat and, and El Paso or or Albuquerque or wherever said, well, I don't, you know we should do something about this, did whatever it was that they said to do, which was negative. Not really thinking the thing through, I mean it's possible that it came from higher up but I have a sense that it probably didn't originally and that then suddenly they found themselves in this situation where they didn't know that I would decide to fight this that I would rally people who are well thought of in this country, writers of renown and so forth. And I think that at some point they may have felt well, we made a mistake. My books are selling three times as well today as they sold before the started, I would trade I would trade that for not having this case, by the way. But nevertheless, things like that are sort of spinoffs as well of the case. But I think that INS gets to a certain to a point with things like this, where they say, well we can't back down. You know, it's a sort of a it's a matter much of pride or what, yeah. Standing 12 in the saddle\r\n\r\n- You end up a symbol, no matter what you are a major source of information about things that are going on countries like Cuba and Nicaragua you are a real source of those things on some level given the fear of Cuba, you must be threatened doorbell.\r\n\r\n- Well, evidently they feel that I am, but and I suppose I should take that as a compliment. I mean, it's, it's, I understand what you're saying. And yet at times, you know you think about these things and it's, it's almost pathetic. I mean, I'm, I'm someone who I think yes Did have a certain voice who does have a certain voice among certain groups of people. But certainly I think that my voice has been made louder by this case. And I probably would not have reached as many people, were it not for INS. So in some ways it's somewhat ironic. I'm very glad to reach more people of course. At the university of New Mexico I've received extraordinary support the student body the essentially the entire student body with a few exceptions of campus Republicans and and a few small groups of people who have made sort of public demonstrations against me, very small ones essentially its student body has been very supportive. The faculty has been extraordinarily supportive. The president of the university when this all started, was the first person to come out publicly in my defense. He is now no longer the president of the university. I anticipate that I may have trouble at the university. We just voted in a Republican governor in the state of New Mexico, a very conservative man and the democratic governor before him was very also very supportive of my case as with many other things. He was, he declared New Mexico, a sanctuary state and it was supposed to capital punishment and did a lot of very good things in the state. And of course those things are rapidly being undone today. So we may be in for a period of, of extreme conservativism in New Mexico. But, at the moment, at least at my school I have tremendous support. And my students, the faculty, to a person, in fact the faculty really sees us as a matter of academic freedom. And many of the faculty members who are not in agreement with my politics have come out forcibly in defense of my staying at the university.\r\n\r\n- Among the changes that are being talked about in terms of getting introduced to the apparent Walters Act. Is one of those or retroactive sort of amnesty measure, for those people like you, who are now making court or would, or conceivably, could it still be could the act be changed and you would still have to face it feeling the court decisions?\r\n\r\n- No. If the act were changed, it would affect my case. Yes. I don't think because it's retroactive but I think just because my case is still in process. Thank you very much then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46863/file/120261#t=0.0,961.416"}]}]}]}