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Testing one, two, three. Testing one, two, three. Testing one, two, three.\r\n\r\n- [Don] Well, our speaker this evening, Mr. Fred S. Dubin of New York City, And, Fred is a president of Dubin Bloom Associates in New York City. He also has an office, Fred S. Dubin Associates International, in Rome, Italy, and also an office in West Hartford, Connecticut. The consulting engineer, and the planner, and energy management consultant, and is perhaps, if not the, one of the very few top consultants in energy management in the world. Fred graduated from Carnegie Institute of Technology in 1935 with a degree in mechanical engineering. And he is the first mechanical engineer that I have run into who is also receiving his Master of Architecture degree from Pratt Institute. He has the work completed and will be awarded that degree, which I think is quite unique. Fred has distinguished himself in his field of endeavor to a considerable extent, he has been a visiting lecturer at many schools of architecture throughout the United States, Canada, and foreign countries. He was named by Engineering News Record as the engineer who has made his mark, in 1975, for his work in energy conservation. And in 1974, he was selected by our United States State Department, Department of State, as an American specialist, and invited to lecture in Greece, France, Holland, Norway, Denmark, and Sweden on energy conservation and on solar energy. Similarly, in 1975, he was in Spain, and Portugal, England, Iran, and Israel. He has served as a consultant to a number of federal and state agencies, including the US General Services Administration, the Federal Energy Administration, the National Bureau of Standards, the Veterans Administration, ERDA Atomic Energy Commission, National Institute of Health, et cetera, et cetera. He has also provided the power system for such institutions as the Berkeley Labs. He has worked with the American Institute of Architects Energy Task Force and the AIA Research Corporation, and I could go on and on and on on this. He is licensed as an engineer in many states, and he is a fellow of the American Society of Heat, Refrigeration, Air Conditioning Engineers, as well as a fellow of the American Consulting Engineers Council. He has done mechanical and electrical work for major construction projects, the Salk Institute, La Jolla, and the General Services Administration Energy Conservation and Demonstration building in Manchester, New Hampshire, which I know many of you are familiar with. And as a result of his research, much of this has been published, it's in a very usable form for architects and engineers, and incidentally, he conceived the heating ventilating and air conditioning concept for our Stephens Auditorium and our Hilton Auditorium, when Ray Crites, and Dick McConnell, and Brooks Borg were designing that particular building. Well, I better stop here, Fred, and just simply say that he will speak to us this evening on energy conservation and research in buildings, Mr. Fred Dubin.\r\n\r\n- [Fred] Thanks, Don. Ladies and gentlemen, I am particularly glad to be here tonight, because I had a chance to visit my daughter, Libby, who's finishing her medical education in Des Moines, and renew old acquaintances with Don, and Crites, Ray Crites, and Borg and the people that we had a great pleasure in working with here. It's nice to be the conceptual engineer, 'cause you don't have to worry about whether it really works or not, somebody else did the final design. You don't have all the problems of the change orders and extras and that sort of thing. But I think I like the building, and the facility, and I hope you do too. I was gonna tell you a little bit about our firm's background, just to give you an idea of a perspective from which I'm talking about. But I don't have to, since Don overdid himself on that. I think, however, I do want to stress a couple of things before I get into the meat of some technical things that I'd like to share with you. And what I plan to do is give us a little background of the energy situation, and then go into some case histories of projects, which we primarily have been associated with, to demonstrate some of the principles which we'll discuss. And if anything comes across it's that every building and every project is unique, and there is maybe a building type, within that type there are individual characteristics which make it very essential that we do a thorough audit and a thorough analysis of the individual project. I think one of the problems with using a lot of energy is we've taken a broad brush approach to buildings and systems, and we haven't been selective in design, we, like the top of filing cabinets, have done, in the past at least, the same intensity and the same foot-candles as a more severe task, and we ventilate spaces, whether anybody in them or not. And I guess now it's time that we are selective in our design, selective in analysis, and in our programming. Well, these, I think, are really important times, because without going through the energy crisis, and I really believe it's a crisis, and many people don't because the gas lines are no longer exist and fuel is plentiful, if you pay for it and it's not all that expensive even, as compared to here at grace where we're working, it's $2 and 70 cents a gallon for gasoline. But I think that a crisis is when you're approaching a catastrophe and you don't do anything about it, that's a crisis. Once you have the catastrophe, it's no longer a crisis, and it's too late. So we do have a chance to do something, and I say, \"we,\" I'm talking really about the design professions for a moment, but the design profession certainly are impotent alone, there, it requires a very, very concerted effort by all segments of the economy, legislatures, of course, financial institutions, and people at large to approach the problem that we are, fast is approaching us. Now, the supply and demand equation is out of balance. We don't have the domestic production of fossil fuels, which are the majority of our energy sources that keep up with our demand. And so, our imports are increasing to almost 50% of all our oil is important today. And so I say, so what? So what is that we're facing inflationary times more and more, it's affecting our whole social fabric in our economic system, and it can have, and will have very, very serious implications of being able to operate in any kind of a manner acceptable to most of us. So if for no other reason, there's a great need for an energy management program, and energy management departs a little bit from the concept of energy conservation in that energy management embodies energy conservation, and conservation, we're talking now about reducing energy demand and reducing the demand on non-renewable resources, but also energy management is using the most appropriate fuel at the most appropriate cost, which is the lowest cost, of course, to the individual consumer, and having the flexibility in our systems to be able to switch from one fuel or another as a situation changes. One thing is quite apparent, we have regional problems. New England has very little of any, hardly any natural resources, energy resources. Some areas have coal. We are blessed with high sulfur coal here, but that can be handled at a cost, in fluidized bed boilers, and coal gasification, at the cost of water and other dollar costs. Certain areas have other kinds of coal, certain have oil. And a matter of fact, these very regional differences make it hard to come to a national energy policy, 'cause there are compelling reasons for each region to take care of its own immediate problem without realizing that it becomes all of our problems very, very quickly. If we, and also of course the idea of pollution. And I think if we had all our cheap energy that we could use, it'd probably be one of the worst things in the world for us, we'd build a lot more junk that would pollute the atmosphere. Thermal pollution is really serious, and it's serious, but without knowing how it serious, because some say thermal pollution will increase the heat on the earth and melt all the snow caps and flood us, and the other say we won't get any heat. Take your choice, we're in between. Which says on the average, we're fine, if we stick our behinds in the refrigerator and heads in the oven, we're averagely comfortable. So averages, I think, have got to be dispensed with when we look at the energy situation and our design options for solving some of the problems. Now, we are facing, of course, higher costs, no matter what the supply is. Every gallon of oil, every cubic foot of gas, every ton of coal, costs more than the last bit of energy to remove from the earth. So that regardless of availability, and I'm not sloughing it off, because availability is becoming a real problem regionally and nationally and internationally, and we will be facing higher costs, which are draining off resources, we're draining off money that we need for other social and economic improvements. And so that we can't just say, we can handle higher costs. We're showing that we can handle it. Programs have been cut back federally and state levels, because a large part of our resources are going to energy, and large part of the individual's resources, the homeowner, the small business owner, those who can't pass on energy costs to the next consumer are suffering an economic hardship. Now, getting down to buildings, buildings use about 30 to 35% of all the energy used in the country today, and that's existing buildings, which is very important because we talk very often, and most often, about new buildings and what we can do in design, when really the culprit today is existing buildings. And if we add to that, let's say it average is 33%, that's energy for heating, lighting, air conditioning, domestic hot water, process within the building. If we add to that, the cost of the sewage treatment plants, the electrical generating plants, the water, potable water treatment plants to support buildings, we're adding another 5%, roughly, to the energy usage. And if we add another three to 5% of the energy to produce the materials and move them over land or overseas. We're facing over 40% of the energy usage in buildings, which is probably a double-headed blessing in disguise, because while it is a frightening amount, it also says that we have a very major part of the energy problem that we can address on a one-to-one basis. We are concerned with buildings. We have less to do with power plants, except through public proclamation and involvement, but our involvement is very direct with buildings as designers, as engineers, architects, and other associated disciplines, so that, really, the challenge now becomes an opportunity. And what I wanna show is that we are able to do something positive about it. This is not gonna be a gloomy speech. This is gonna be a very optimistic one. Now, why should the architect engineer be particularly selected for this choice role of saving the world? First of all, his training and his experience that are particular to him, they're particular to him. They are the major disciplines in the society that by their training and their involvement are closest to the energy situation, as it regards to buildings, and the ones who have the power within their practices to do something about it. If he doesn't have the expertise, the architect engineer can acquire it, and that's why, I guess, we're here. And architecture is an art and a science, and it expresses the needs of the time. And in my studies of architecture, part of it, of course, has been architectural history 103, 82 credits. And you have to begin to look at what architecture really is. And I think one of the things that's come home to me is architecture is an art and a science. I'm gonna use the term architecture and engineering synonymous here, if I use one term, it means the other, because you really cannot separate the two disciplines. And if the architecture is an art and a science that expresses the needs of the times, as you look back, we went through an industrial revolution, and our task then was to build industrial buildings and industrial process, increase the gross national product through industry and science. And architecture responded to that time and responded to the times of material availability, we had the cast iron age of Louis Sullivan and others. And back through history, we see that architecture always in response to a need of the time. Well, there's a need of the time today. I think it's a need for an energy and an energy policy and energy conscious practice, because energy is probably the one underlying factor that can be identified, that cuts across all segments of our society and our living. It all boils down to energy, some of it's human energy, psychic energy, physical energy, but this becomes really the bottom line, and without energy, we can't have any of the kinds of things that we build a society on, but there are others who are needed in the team, and the owner is certainly part of the team, the financier, the legislators, I was hoping some would be here today, because they're in session now and they are addressing energy matters, and we hope to see much more legislation passed of a particular nature, that I think can be very beneficial, even though many architects, and many engineers, and many rugged individualist, which I happened to classify myself as, say that we don't need legislation, we don't need government involvement, it interferes with the creative process and all that bunk, it doesn't. There's absolutely a need for legislation to bring about some of the actions which we're gonna talk about today, but it will not happen voluntarily, I wish they would, but they won't, they haven't, and as soon as the gas lines shortened, and as soon as people got used to the higher prices, with after the embargo, the consumption curve took off in the same direction it was following before these crises. So we're gonna to need some, hopefully, incentives, disincentives, maybe a big stick, maybe a soft stick, but we're gonna need these kinds of institutional measures to accomplish what we're gonna talk about tonight. I can hear you say, \"Why don't you get on \"with what we're gonna talk about?\" Okay, . I'll skip some, so that we can get on with it. Anyway, architecture, John Eberhart, AI Research Corporation says, \"Architect is a design \"of buildings to provide shelter for human activities \"that mediate against the climatic factors.\" It's true, but I also feel architect is an art and science that can alleviate or exacerbate, wow, that's a word, the needs of the time with the methods and the materials and the production methods are available and can be innovatively integrated into the whole design process. So, what we do need is energy conscious design, and I've got a little definition of energy conscious design, or a list of items that that includes. And this is important. First of all, buildings don't use energy at all, the windows don't use energy, the walls don't use energy, people use energy, and the best way to save energy for buildings is not to build the buildings. Well, we need some buildings, so the next step is how do we utilize the buildings? How much space do we really need? We did the GSA Building, which I'll talk about, in Manchester, New Hampshire, and the legislators, and federal legislators from New Hampshire had put down their requirements for offices that were 18 by 30. We said the first way to save energy is to cut those offices to 10 by 12, because once we have space, we have to heat it, and we have to cool it, and humidify it and dehumidify it, and light it. And so, when we look at a building energy program, the first thing is to look at is how much space is needed? In order to determine how much space is needed, we must then carefully analyze the program, what's gonna happen in that building now and anticipate in the future. Well, for the present, it's fairly easy to write a program of what will happen in the building. The program is mostly handed down or given, but I think we have to challenge many assumptions. But for the future, what's happened in the past when people said, \"Let's take care of the future \"in our buildings,\" they made them flexible. Now, two things that really bugged me, one is flexibility in buildings, and the other is a module, because once you have a module, whether it's based on a window, a structural system, a ceiling grid, something goes in the module, nature abhors a vacuum and a module. And once you have a module, you have a lighting fixture in it, I guess they call them lumineers today, not when I went to college, they were fixtures. And you have an air diffuser, which we used to call a register. And once those are in there, they're used. And you can see that, you can see it right here, every lights lighted back here, and we don't need it now. So that the module begins to be an energy waster, and we would like to see more non-modular design, but providing mechanical and electrical services and other needed amenities where people need them, for the purpose they need them, when they need them, and then do away with them when they aren't needed, when the building is closed or after occupancy changes. Now, again, I used to shock my architect friends by saying the windows don't use energy, and the walls don't use energy, they cause energy to be used, and a single pane of glass in the north in Iowa causes a lot of energy to be used in the boiler plant. And I think it's important to keep this concept in mind because we've got to separate the really three major, four major factors in energy use, one is certainly the user of the building, how hot or how cool he wants it, how much ventilation he needs and requires, how much humidity and humidification? Because this determines the building load. And that building load is also responsive to the envelope and the environment that that envelope sees. The building envelope, of course, being the walls, the windows, doors, roof, ceiling, and basement of floor slab. So that those are the kinds of things we've gotta look at, first is to reduce the building load, reduce the amount of heating required, reduce the amount of cooling required, reduce the amount of lighting required by doing away with over lighted places that are not being occupied by reducing building loads by installation and all the common things that everybody knows about doing. But after the building load is reduced, the distribution system, that carries energy, moves energy from the energy conversion equipment, the boiler, the furnace, the air conditioning compressor, the chiller, the cooling tower. It moves the energy from one area, where it has taken in fuel and converted it to heat or cooling, and moves it to the building, to the space. And that distribution system, we call those loads parasitic loads, because they don't really do anything except move energy from one place to another, and they require additional energy to be used in the process because they have thermal loads from the envelope from the duct system, from the piping system, and they also use a lot of energy to drive air or pump water through pipes or conduits. And so, if the building load is less, the load of the distribution system is already less, it can be reduced, and then it can be improved for its own sake, even after the loads are reduced, by better insulation, better configuration of piping, we reduce the amount of energy to drive the fans in the pumps. And then we finally get back to the major pieces of equipment that do take in fuel, oil, gas, coal, and convert it to heat, or to chill water, or take in electricity and distribute the electricity. And I think that that's a basic principle, is to look at these three factors as we address buildings. Now, if we're gonna take this approach, we have a tremendous opportunity to go into what we call, and what's called commonly today, passive design. And for an active engineer, I'm very active in passive systems. And I believe that passive systems, which is really the handmaiden of conservation, are absolutely essential and cost-effective to do before we do all these fancy mechanical electrical systems. And they got fancy because in the old days, the architects wanted a lot of glass and many other factors that demanded a brutal approach of putting enough cool air, enough hot air into a building to overcome these building loads. Today, the more enlightened architects and engineers are not approaching building design that way, however, they're very, very slow to adopt the principles of passive energy design, passive building design. And passive design really means using natural energy sources. There's a lot of free energy out there, not free to move it, often, but it's free, it's there, it is an energy source. What are they? The sun, of course. And in the wintertime, the low rays of the sun, permitted to come into a building, can provide, often, enough heat for that building all day long, without any additional fossil fuel being burned. And at nighttime, that same window, which let the sun in in the daytime, lets the heat go out. So therefore, we've got to then block the heat from escaping at nighttime by thermal barriers, thermal shutters, which my grandfather used to call shutters, now we call them thermal barriers. And this is one way to trap the heat and not let the heated air, of the heated space, dissipate to the outdoors at nighttime. Now, there's some problems with that, because if we have a wall, and we went to a building today, Don and I, to look at it, there was a lot of solar southeast sunshine today, and the room was overheated, and if we were working in that room, we'd be very uncomfortable, and if there had been drapes down there, we'd have had to pull them and keep the sun out. Rather than designing that room without a wall to wall glass, but perhaps 50% glass, 50% of the linear distance glass, so that we could get in behind the wall, a solid wall, not be overheated, personally, let the sun come in, then with sufficient mass in the building concrete, tile, brick that can absorb that excess heat, we could take full advantage of the sun when it shine, heat the heat the contents of the building, the floors, the mast, and then let that give up its heat later in the day, when sun is disappeared. That's passive design. Passive design is using the wind in the proper manner. In the wintertime, blocking the wind from wiping the glass, wiping the walls, because the wind on those surfaces increase heat loss. In the summertime, we want to take advantage of natural breezes. This becomes a function of how the building is sited. First of all, understand there are winds, where the winds come from, what their intensity is, it's also true, of course, of the sun. We've gotta really begin to look at the basic climatic conditions that exist, so that we can use them when they're benevolent, when they aren't, we wanna do something to put a barrier between the environment and ourselves inside. Another really effective passive measure is to do passive cooling of a building. We're doing a building for the Justice Department of California, it's a big building, it's 320,000 square feet. And studying the climate in Sacramento, we note that it gets to be 110 degrees in the daytime, in the summer, and down to 60 at night. That diurnal swing is a tremendous source of energy. And by bringing that cool air, at nighttime, into the building, we can cool the building structure so that the next day there's a cooling capacity, on reserve, that permits us not to run the air conditioning the next day for many hours, depending upon how much mass is in the building, and how we brought that outdoor air in at night and at nighttime. That's passive design. And there are other factors, of course, the entire problem of shading, entire problem of, and I don't call it a problem, an opportunity, using thermal mass the way the Indians, that didn't have architects, did. And the way, I would go back into history, we see the use of a heavy Adobe construction, heavy mass walls, the old churches in all throughout the world, and here, of course, are cool in the summertime without any air conditioning. And thermal mass is a very, very usable concept, if it's done properly. But thermal mass requires that the insulation be on the exterior of the wall, and on the interior, as we do today in common practice. So the mass is within the building and not outside the insulated envelope. But there's a little joker in this, and we worked on the Salk Institute with Louis Kahn, a great architect, and a great individual, and great human person, humanist. He used to say that architectural design, true design is starting with an immeasurable thought, concept, feeling, and then you reduce this to measurable, feet and inches, yards, well, centimeters and meters today, I guess, it should be measurable, in the room dimensions and spaces. And then you end up with an immeasurable, you end up with a feeling that the building evokes. And so that process, the immeasurable, measurable, immeasurable, I think we can also use that in our concept of passive design. Passive design is a deceptively simple concept. We're gonna use natural energies. We're gonna move energy from one place to another. We're gonna move it from the sunny side of the building to the shady side, day to night. And it's a very beautiful concept, it's just lovely. And you can't measure that at the moment. Now, in order to design a building to be able to do that, that building has to become a heat exchanger. That's why I say architecture and engineering there are no difference. Heat exchanging is an engineering term, commonly, but it's an architectural problem. The building must become a heat exchanger. It doesn't do any good to bring the cold air in at night through some openings and let it go out the other side without ever wiping the mass in the building. We have a hung ceiling above this concrete mass, that cold air never sees that concrete mass and can't cool it. However, by making the building a heat exchanger, making the air, forcing that air to come up maybe above a hung ceiling, in contact with a mass, now we can cool a mass six, eight degrees at nighttime, which provides a more than 50%, in California, for this particular building, of all the cooling energy that would be required for this building. So the building becomes a heat exchanger, and that takes a very sophisticated design. Now, after we've done all that, we end up with a very beautifully simply operated system. So we've gone from the immeasurable, to the measurable, to the intensive design process, and back, we end up with a simple system, and I think this becomes quite basic in architecture and engineering. Well, I talked a little bit about flexibility and I'm not gonna go into that, I've got some notes on it, and I say, again, it isn't flexibility we're looking for, we're looking for adaptability. The Salk Institute is a very good example of an adaptable building. The building has interstitial space, that means space above the usable, or the laboratory floor level, and within the interstitial space there's distribution for heating and piping and air conditioning for equipment, and the interstitial space can accommodate equipment, or systems, to serve changing needs within the laboratory space, and that's where the laboratory is. When we talk about program, and let me digress for a moment, and programs are extremely important. And we started the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, we asked Jonas Salk, what's the program for this building? What are we designing for it? He said, \"If I knew that way, I wouldn't need a building.\" So what was he saying? He said, \"We've gotta have a building \"that can accommodate any kind \"of program we want to do here, \"but don't spend any money to do it.\" Make the building adaptable. And adaptability is far different from flexibility. Flexibility is redundancy. If you put enough things on a grid, lights, and ducts, and pipes, you will have facilities that serve any need, whenever you need them, but you've paid a lot of money for systems that you may never need, 80% you'll never need. However, a building that's adaptable permits you to make changes within the building to add to the major distribution runways to feed systems as they come on the line, as a building program changes, the scientific program changes, and this is what Jonas Salk was saying, by the very nature of the institution, it's a research institution, we don't know what we'll do here next week, or next year, therefore I make this building accommodate what we have to do in the future. And it boiled down to interstitial space with simple runways on centers that we could then extend ducts, extend pipe, oxygen, nitrogen to any 300 square foot area within the building without disturbing anybody around. And that's an adaptable building, and that becomes a pretty good principal, because I think, I really think flexibility has caused us to use one of the major causes of energy waste in a building. Now, I'm gonna talk a little bit, before we're through, about some solar energy, but I want to emphasize that John Hill, who has been an old pioneer in solar energy and a marvelous gentlemen, says that first you insulate and then you insolate, insulate the building by active solar systems. So the first dollar you spend, the second dollar you spend, the third dollar you spend should be for passive and conservation systems. Fourth dollar can be for solar active solar systems. But there's another reason for it. A solar energy system, it has a particular phenomena of being able to produce more work if the fluid, the air or water that's heated from the collector, can be at low temperature. Because if we take a solar collector and face the sun with it, and just let it be stagnate, with no fluid flowing through it, it gets very hot, it gets to be 300, 400, 500, 600 degrees. So it's very hot, but it's not doing any work, we're not removing any heat from it. As soon as you start to circulate water, or air, through the collector, the temperature drops and you begin to do some work. Now, if the building is designed to reduce the thermal loads, it then is able to be heated with low temperature fluid, in other words, instead of requiring 180 degree water, it can be perhaps heated with a hundred degree water. Now, if we can heat the building with a hundred degree water, it means we can have a solar collector that can be cheaper to build, that will produce more BTUs for the same dollar invested than if we had to have 180 degree water. So there is that, again, cause and effect of the efficient building and a solar system. Furthermore, we won't be able to afford the really wonderful alternatives, that are appearing in the market, unless we do have a conservation first and reduce the load. So it becomes a very, very basic concept, is to reduce the load. Now I am gonna show some slides here, before I continue with some of this discussion. But before I do, just a couple of things. For each building project, I think it's very important to establish a functional and a space utilization program, and an energy and environmental program for the building. The schools of architecture, as long as I have been associated with schools, we've been given or have given programs that say exactly what's gonna happen in classrooms, offices, hospital beds, even down to the janitors closet, 120 square feet for the janitor's closet. But, there has never been, really, a, in any program we've seen, a very complete description of what the environmental systems must be and what the tasks, that are gonna occur in that building, are, so that we can decide how much light we need, and where should it be, and when should it be on, and when should it be off, how much ventilation, how much energy is needed. And I believe if we take a building and look at it from a passive standpoint, first, and then a very, very complete environmental program, that building shape will evolve from the program. The building will already say certain kinds of space wants to see the sun, a greenhouse, a day room in a hospital, hospital nursing wings, wanna see the sun. Those rooms ought to be in the East and West. Other rooms don't wanna see the sun, in fact, it's a inimical to the use of the space, dark rooms, auditoriums, they don't want the sun, it's harmful, you've gotta block it out. So, if we begin to look at what kinds of spaces require sunshine, require natural illumination, require darkness, what sorts of spaces don't require a very even temperature? Let it float, storage rooms, equipment rooms, spaces that are not occupied, or space that are occupied with people doing fairly active work. These can be in the northern climates, on the northern wall within the building. And again, the program begins to dictate the shape of the building, that plus the external environment, which is acting on each of the walls. So I think the first step is to write a functional program, as well as a space utilization program. Then, I think we should write an energy budget for the building. And, we'll begin to see energy budgets emerge, the General Services Administration Building in Manchester, New Hampshire, an energy demonstration building that we worked on, developed an energy budget of 55,000 BTUs per square foot per year for all energy use for the building. Now, we know, pretty much, what an office building's budget should be. We don't know that much about what the budgets ought to be for hospitals, for hotels, and other kinds of buildings in different climates. And I think we've got to have a budget and a goal, so that we can have some sites to set up our design upon. And we have a dollar budget, and we have a land use budget, why not an energy budget? I think we also have to know what can be done? What are the possibilities, what is really the potential? What can we accomplish if we do this sort of thing? The consumer has to know it, in order to hire, to ask you to do something, we have to know it. We've gotta know the climate. We've got to know a lot more about the climate, not only what the percentage of sunshine is in an area, we have that fairly well, but how many cloudy days are followed by clear days, and how many clear days in a row? Because this becomes a cyclic nature, of sunshine and clouds, become an important design factor. We've got to know what the trade-offs are, and what the cost benefits, and we've gotta challenge the assumptions that we've been given. In the old days, they required 30 CFM of air, of fresh air, Massachusetts, Sandy, up in Massachusetts, for each pupil in a school. Where'd that come from? You couldn't find the historical precedent for it. Well, it came from the kids who used to tiptoe through the cow pastures on their way to school, and every once in a while they'd miss, and you need a 30 CFM in the classroom. You didn't need 30CFM for the teacher. I guess they stayed in the high part. But some of these codes came down to us that way. And it really, the largest single energy user in the country is outdoor air that leaks or is brought into the building intentionally. This is a major single cause for energy usage in buildings. And so, therefore the buildings had to be tightened up, ventilation codes had to be reexamined. The assumptions that we so glibly accepted have to be changed, even the tasks have to be changed. If I have a 40 foot candles of lighting, and I have this glossy clay paper, and the glossy magazines, like Playboy, I don't read that of course, and you get valley reflectance in your eyes by changing the type of paper and get a dull matte finish. I could do it with less energy, less glare and a more comfortable lighting. So the government could save millions of dollars in lighting by changing the weight of the pencils that they hand out. Well, what I'm saying is really we've gotta challenge the tasks that are given, because the task often can be changed to suit the condition. We have an office layout made by conventional methods. We'll find desks in one part of the room and filing cabinets or another, and very often the filing cabinets are near the outside walls, where there's natural illumination. By changing these desk locations in the task, we can then take advantage of a lot of natural light that the people need, and the files don't need. And so, the processes to change the tasks and change the design to suit the task, then together we'll find energy consumption will drop tremendously, 40, 50, 60 and 70% in new buildings, and the half of that, easily, in existing buildings, and often without any increase in first cost. Let me go to some slides just to demonstrate some of the principles. Before I do that, I'm going to, no, I'll hold that for a minute, Don. I'm gonna put some of these slides on and talk about each of these projects a little bit to demonstrate something that's perhaps special about the project, or unique from an energy standpoint. And I think another thing we've gotta be very, very biased when we approach energy conservation. I think each member of the team, and it is an interdisciplinary team, that's what we found out from conservation and solar, if nothing else, that it is a joint effort. But at the beginning, I believe that every one of the individual disciplines must be very, very biased for what he wants to do. If I'm an energy consultant, I wanna save energy, I don't care about your program, I don't care about your costs, I don't care about your room layouts, I don't care about anything but saving energy. Someone else has another viewpoint, I gotta have good circulation, another one has another viewpoint. You eventually come together with these viewpoints, each with their own strong bias, and then you see where they mesh and where they gel, where the compromises have to be made. And then you look at what we call a cost benefits analysis of the trade-offs, and you eventually come to a meeting of the minds. But you can't go in wishy-washy to start with. I think we've got to have our own very, very strong biases for what we want to do, and I have. Let me put these slides on. Can I operate this from here in the house lights? Wow, I don't want those. Okay. Okay. This is an interesting diagram, a PIP diagram. It shows the age of fossil fuel from 3000, minus 3000 years to plus 3000, and the amount of fossil fuel production usage in a very, very small period of time. It'll peak about 1970, about 1985 oil production, then it'll drop off again and we've used it up. We've used up what took millions of years to produce, which can't be reinvented. So this chart, I think, is quite interesting to look at the timeframe of the age of the fossil fuels. And we think that nothing goes beyond our own lifetime. This caused us to take a hard look at what we're doing. Okay, this is a building in California. They had a very nice heavy brick building, on Wilshire Boulevard, it stood there for about 40 years, built with a thermal mass, reasonable size windows. And the real estate board said, \"I can't rent that building, you've gotta modernize it, \"we've got to put insulated panels \"on the walls, strip it down to steel.\" They did, and they made it a steel panel building, no solar control, no thermal mass. And this replaced what was a perfectly good energy building, it could have been retrofitted in a manner which would have made it efficient, and it also had some character to it. I think this kind of a building has very little saving grace. Now, the General Service Administration has got a building like this in Manchester, New Hampshire, looked very much like that California buildings. As a matter of fact, as you travel around the world, if you get off an airplane, you can't tell what country you're in by looking at the buildings, because they look the same. I was in Fairbanks, Alaska, a month and a half ago, and I go into Aran, I've been there before, and the buildings look alike. And if you wanna know where North, East, West, and South, if the sun isn't shining, you can't tell by looking at the building facade, because they look alike. Now, this is not selective design, and buildings have different influences, there's sunshine at one side of the building, there's more, there's actually a difference of temperature from side to side. So, the building should be designed to reflect the environment that they see. Then we were hired, after this preliminary plan was made, to do an energy conservation study and come up with an energy conservation program. And it was the first time, really, that there'd been such an intensive effort to examine the building envelope, that means the walls and the skin, as we said before, its orientation, the length width ratio, the height, for a given program of 175,000 square feet, that was given. We challenged that, however, we said, \"You don't need 175,000 \"because Senator McIntyre doesn't need it.\" He's still got that office, it turned out to be the same size. But anyway, we challenged the assumptions they were giving us, and we were charged with saving 20% of the energy that this building would normally use. We said, \"We don't want the contract,\" they said, \"Why not?\" I said, \"Because 20% is too timid. \"We don't need to hire a consulting engineer \"to save 20%, just open your eyes.\" He said, \"So, what do you wanna save?\" We said, \"A minimum of a 35%, as much more as we can.\" So we studied the materials. We studied the the insulated panel wall versus the thermal mass. We studied the color. We studied the installation location. And we were able, by making suggestions, and we use computer programs, and I'll have something to say about that later, to analyze what the energy reduction could be if we changed the building envelope, its configuration and materials, and it came about 35% alone, without touching the mechanical and electrical systems. In the course of doing this work, we solicited comments from students and practicing architects and engineers and others throughout the country, and we had over five to 800 responses. We took a vote, in our office, on each of the measures that were proposed. I'll just mention two of them. One was to make the building edible, so when you finish it, you get rid of it. Well, that building didn't get any votes, strangely enough. Even from my fat partner. But the other suggestion, another suggestion was make the billing screw itself down on the ground at nighttime, come back out in the daytime. That received a hundred percent vote, a hundred percent. And not because we're gonna make the building do that, but because that student, it was a student, said something very, very important. He said, \"Make the building adaptable \"to the environment that it sees.\" And that meant that you don't turn the building down on the ground at night, but to make each facade different to recognize the influences upon it. And it's different for daytime, it's different from nighttime, it's different for the summer and the winter. And it becomes an organic, and probably is not a good word to use, is overused, organic architecture, but to me it was organic because it was living and it was changing. And then, after writing an energy program, including an analysis of the kinds of mechanical and electrical systems that might be employed, we found some interesting phenomenon, one is that we could reduce the size of the windows by, that if we reduced the size of the windows by 50%, we didn't cut the natural illumination by 50%, but we did cut the heat loss by 50%. And it began to see the relationship between window size, savings in energy because you could use more natural illumination, and increased energy usage because of more heat loss and heat gain. So we said, \"How do we approach this?\" Well, when does the heat loss and heat gain occur? Occurs at nighttime, morning pickup, for heat loss. And so, we then said, if we had thermal barriers on these windows, we can have our windows in the daytime, enjoy them, enjoy the view, of the parking garage across the street, and the Merrimack River on another exposure, and take advantage of natural illumination, save power for lighting, and then at nighttime, close those windows off so we don't have heat loss, because 15% of all heat lost in this climate is due to windows at nighttime, when no one's using them. If you wanna look at the stars, you can open one pane and look at it. So, we studied all these systems, and the mechanical electrical systems, using the emergency generator, which is required for the handicap, we used that to drive air conditioning systems. We didn't have any solar in this original concept, because when we started this building four years ago, solar was supposed to not be an off the shelf item, we were told only to use readily available hardware, and materials, and equipment. So solar was not included at the time. Well, this is a picture of the model of the building, as it now stands. And you can see the north has no windows, because the north turned out to be the most energy consuming facade in the cold climate. But on the north, instead of putting occupied spaces, we had corridors, and storage areas, and mechanical equipment rooms, and areas that didn't really need any windows, and therefore we could use more glass, in other areas of the building, and still reduce the loads. Now, this is a picture of the building, and there you'll see some solar collectors on top. And so now, this building turned out by the computer, and by manual calculation to say it would use 40% of the energy the building would normally use. This is without the solar collectors, for the moment. And, a very, very important and surprising fact was that the building budget, for the construction, the initial cost was not increased $1. How can that be? It's quite easy to explain. Extra insulation costs more money, extra mass costs more money. However, by doing those things, we were able to reduce the heat loss from 4 million BTUs per hour to 2 million BTUs per hour, which meant the heating equipment could be smaller and less costly. We were able to reduce the cooling load from 450 tons of refrigeration, the peak load, to 157 tons, that directly affected the initial costs. We were able to buy heat exchangers, which cost money, initially, but the heat exchangers then further reduce the size of the equipment. I'm not talking about savings and operating costs yet, I'm talking about initial cost trade-offs, And again, the whole building, and its systems, must be looked at as a system, a total system. So that it did end up costing no more money, about the same as though as the conventional building that I showed two slides back. I think this is a better looking building, some people don't care for it. Nobody liked the other one. So at least we got some that liked the looks of this one. The solar collectors on the roof were an afterthought. We decided in this day and age, we cannot consider an energy conscious building without looking at some solar, and so we made some analysis of the solar collectors system, and we felt that New Hampshire, it would be cost-effective, and by cost-effective I'm saying a 20 year payback per the government, not cost-effective to industry, they gotta get their money back in three years. But, for the government, 20 years was a cost-effective measure to do solar to a limited extent. So we have collectors, four rows of collectors, solar collectors, and they are arranged with a variable tilt, so that we have them steeper in the wintertime and shallower in the summer. They're used for heating, and cooling, and hot water. And the solar collectors looked like this because it really was a retrofit, the building was not designed for solar, and therefore, it's not a particularly handsome solar installation, it isn't, it looks like a billboard, which it is. However, if the solar had been in the original program, that entire shape in that roof would have changed, as I'll show you in some other buildings. But what this building did do is to make us very much aware of what could be done, or the analytical methods necessary to analyze energy conservation, and really, in the final analysis, what the paybacks can be. Now the building is instrumented by National Bureau of Standards, and we're beginning, now, to get some data back on the actual energy use, and we're finding that we were right in some places and wrong in some. We have tasked lighting on one floor, incidentally, an efficient lighting system costs less, initially, than an inefficient system. You have fewer fixtures, you have lower intensity lamps, you do have more switches, but switches are not a very costly item, as building construction costs go. So that, actually, you end up with a system that, in this building, has one and a quarter Watts per square foot. The average office building has three to six Watts per square foot. It's a better lighting system, except for one floor, which I don't like one bit, it's got sodium lighting in it, and people don't like it, they all look like they have yellow jaundice. However, that's very valuable, the fact that you don't like it, we don't want to do it again . And the building was to be a demonstration and not to be the most efficient building that ever could be built. So we have seven kinds of heating systems in here, four different kinds of heat pumps systems. We have seven kinds of lighting systems. We have one floor with 30% glass and other floors with seven and a half to 10% glass, so that we can actually measure, and we do monitor each individual system on each floor. So we'll have comparative performance, not only for a good systems against a bad system, but comparative between all good systems. And all the systems that were selected were energy efficient systems. Now, here's the pie, and I'm not gonna go through these numbers except to just keep in mind this diagram, with 100% energy use, and this is what it looks like afterwards. That's the wrong slide. But anyway, those pieces of pies come out due to improvement lighting, improvement in the hot water system, just by reducing the temperature of the domestic hot water and the flow, by putting flow restrictors on, we could save about 60% of the domestic hot water load. This you can do very, very cheaply in any building. Now, hot water countrywide uses about 4% of the energy. 4% is nothing to snicker at. So that each of these small percentages add up. Now, this is a building that evolved from the GSA Building, the Argonne National Laboratories in Chicago came to us and said, \"We'd like a building, just like the GSA building.\" I said, \"You don't want one just like it, \"Chicago is not in Manchester, New Hampshire. \"You've got different influences. \"It's two years later, we've got new materials, \"we've got new methods. \"We think you'll want a solar building, we think you do.\" And we said, \"What's the building for?\" It's to replace about, well, I don't know how many square feet, but buildings that were using $320,000 a year for energy, housed a thousand people, office workers. This building, houses the same functions, it's considerably smaller, because of better space utilization, but this building, according to the computer, I don't care if it's 100% wrong, says will use $27,000 a year for all utilities. How? Probably the whole facade, the whole south facade as a solar collector, that solar collector integrated with a building skin, same insulation that serves the collector, serves the building. And there are also collectors on the roof. The collectors do a very small part, however, the total savings in conservation, again, heat pumps, the envelope, each facade is different, different kinds of solar control in the south, as against the east and west, thermal barriers, again, heat recovery equipment, we take heat from the exhaust air and put it in the supply air. All of those measures add up. And then, after we did this plan, we took a look at an atrium scheme with an open atrium, not an open, an atrium in the middle, covered with glass. The atrium turned out to be another energy saver, because it brought in light to the interior areas, we were able to close up the exterior, it brought in heat when we wanted it, the lighting was controlled, the heat was controlled. The atrium provided circulation space as well, so it had multi-use, and the circulation space in the atrium cut down the amount of circulation needed in the building, so the building became more efficient utilization, higher percentage of usable space, occupied space. And these are the sorts of things I think we've gotta continually study as we look at each individual building design. And strangely enough, a lot of our buildings today have atriums, we find have wide, wide application, hospitals are great, and energy building we've designed, which I'll show you if we have time, we've used an atrium. And in every case we found an atrium is an energy saver, and also creates delightful space. One hospital project we're doing, it's a student project, but it's a concept for a children's hospital. We have an atrium which has campgrounds in it, it has hiking trails, and on the first floor of the hospital, they don't think they're in the hospital. We hope they'll get out sooner with a better environment. This is a group of of houses that was entered in student competition. And this was a group of three women students from University of Colorado, entered this, the AIA Research Corporation competition. And I show you this because it's a contrast of the larger buildings. Here, we've got buildings that are clustered, they're low cost housing, they're greenhouses on the south facade, the greenhouses only need about 50% of the light energy and the heat energy that strikes a greenhouse, the rest is either dispelled normally or overheats the greenhouse. By having thermal mass in the greenhouse, we can capture that heat when it's excessive, and use it at nighttime or for the rest of the building. Also the greenhouse, it was integrated with collectors in the greenhouse and above the greenhouse. Do I have that electric pointer here, did I ever get it? Here it is. There were the greenhouses, and then solar collector, air collectors here, built in as part of the roof, clear story here, which housed storage tanks and natural ventilation, the cluster walls provide more efficient, less heat loss. And the center concept was figured it could be built for about $27,000 a house, it'd probably go to 37,000, but it was one of the 10 winning entries out of 1800 that was entered. The really thrilling part was there were 1800 entries by students in this competition, and three years ago, you'd have had probably a dozen entries, as a matter of fact, there was a competition, and they had about a dozen entries, a number of years back. So is, I think, the direction that, particularly, students are going. They're far ahead of practitioners, often. Another building at the Argonne Labs, again, this building has solar collectors built the fascia, and it also has a large number of hot water tanks for process, that hot water for the process can be all heated with solar. So again, the same kind of economic benefits period with this building. Now, this is Grassy Brook Village in Vermont, that is an energy conserving, energy conscious design, they're 10 condominium units clustered for common walls, two by six studs, 24 inches on center, instead of two by four 16 inches on center, thicker, more insulation, less cost for the construction, thermal barriers, again, sod covered roofs. The heat loss was cut by 50%. The energy savings due to the building treatment was 50%. The solar collectors here, on the site. So, it's the first project with a group of collectors serving a multiple number of housing units. And the collectors, again, will reduce the load by another 50%, so when we get all through with this building, it will use 25% of what it would have used if it had not been built in this manner. The solar collectors are mounted on really handsome wood trusses, and it's in the woods, and the wood is very appropriate here, I think, with creosote, it'll last as long as the houses. And the collectors are in three arrays, these happened to be, I think, Sun Works Collectors, they're collected with internal headers, they're not internal headers, I'm sorry, they're external headers. But since that time, we've learned that by buying collectors with internal headers, we can cut down the amount of field labor and field installation and save dollars. So we learn from each job as we go along. These were the water storage tanks, which were part of the basement. This was a sloping site. We had to have a lot of basement and foundation walls. And by banking the foundations, the water storage tanks, we saved money there, roughly about 40 cents a gallon. And we've got three very large storage containers. We have a heat pump in here, which takes low temperature heat from the collectors, at 60 and 70 degrees at some times, and boosts it to 110, means we have to design the heating system in the buildings to use 110 degree water. It's again, it's an integrated product. I won't go through the flow diagram, especially since it's upside down, but you can recognize the sun. No, it is an upside down Sun backwards isn't it? Anyway, we don't have time, if we do, we can come back to 'em, but I'd rather show you the pretty pictures on the technical data. This is what the before and after figures are gonna look like. This is a conventional building to a 10 condominium unit, it's built New Hampshire, accordance standards, which prevail today, it's against the energy conserving, so look at where it is. That's enough to convince lots of people. Here is a Cary Arboretum in New York Botanical Gardens. Here, we had a very interesting project. There was a very lovable board of trustees, they were administering this trust and gave the land to the New York Botanical Gardens for a site up in Millbrook, New York for botanical gardens and for a headquarters building and a laboratory. And there was five charges. I think I can remember them, one was don't pollute the air, don't pollute the aquifer, don't use any natural resources, don't change the typography, and one other don't, it says, can you do it? It says, \"Of course, how do you do it?\" Well, you don't build a building. But we want a building, so we'll have a building, but we have to reduce those negative impacts as well much as possible, and hopefully enhance the environment. That's a lot to ask for a building to make it look better, but sometimes it can be done. Anyway, this is the first model of the first building, Malcolm Wells was the architect. Malcolm Wells has done a lot of underground architecture, he's kind of noticed for his general architecture, very in tune with passive systems. He's a passive man, himself, not passive in the negative sense at all, but very gentle, and very amenable to working together in groups. We had this model built, and first we did an energy conscious, energy conservation study, and we're seeing more and more of this developed, the energy conservation services are above and beyond the normal architectural engineering services, and clients are paying extra for this service, and they should. And the systems should be studied very thoroughly, and then go into design after the conscious energy systems are studied. And we did have a contract, not only just, oh the other was to save potable water, that was the fifth charge. So we looked at recycling sewage, collecting rainwater in tanks. And all these things are in this building, thermal mass, this building we used 35,000 BTUs per square foot per year, and most of it'll all be solar, 85% will be by solar. When we run out of solar heat, we have a deep well, we put the well water in a tank, and we use a heat pump to cool the well water from 55 degrees to 45 degrees, actually cooling well water and rejecting heat in the building in 110 degrees. When we looked at this model, we were disappointed. And the next picture, which is even a little bit more dramatic, of the model looked like a futuristic Woody Allen picture, and they weren't gonna make any Woody Allen pictures in Millbrook, New York. So we said, \"That you could build on any building, \"you could put a billboard on top of any building. \"That's not a solar building.\" Everything else is a conscious energy conservation building. We had one floor beneath, completely below grade, and we brought light in through light wells, like they did in Crete two, 3000 years ago. And there were many, many great features in the building, but the building was disappointing because it looked like a billboard. So we went back to the drawing boards and came up with another concept that looked like this. This is the model now of the building. And here, with the experimental greenhouse in the front, one story underground with a sawtooth roof. Now, the sawtooth roof did a lot of things. First of all, we sloped it at 57 degrees, so that it accommodated the collectors of the proper tilt for that latitude. We all saw and wanted to go to landscape planning here. Landscape planning means no partitions. Landscape planning is more efficient. You partitions reflect light, they also absorb light, so when you get rid of partitions, you can light a space with less energy than if you had the same gross area divided into small spaces, but as you get larger spaces, the room dimensions change and a low ceiling with a large space is very unpleasant, and certainly not satisfactory. So by raising the roof, literally, you go into a truss, we're able to get high spaces, wood trusses, it was very very handsome spaces. This is a cross section. And now we've got spaces in here that are really grand, with the exposed wood truss, little lambs, I guess they say in architectural terminology, don't they? Yeah. The collector's facing south. We had sod here, but we removed that. We found we could do the same thing with insulation with less trouble with roots, and less trouble with the water running up. And we do get some reflection from this surface back on to the collector. Reflectors can improve the performance of collectors by about 20 to 22%. So that building was used 15% of the energy the building would normally use. Again, this cost about 5% more than conventional construction. This is a picture of it under construction, actual building, and the picture with the collector on the roof. Here, we ran into some problems. They had a wood support for this, and the wood was not specified as to quality grade dryness, and shrunk badly, and the collectors all sagged, they came off and had to be put back up again. I'll share some errors with you, the $60,000 error, Everybody makes them . Thermal barrier, this and the Cary Arboretum will have thermal barriers. This is a simple slide arrangement with a styrofoam panel that can be slid in front of the glass and reduce the heat loss and he gain, too. This is a picture of the final model. You'll see, we set it back in the woods in the north facade, where the trees act as windbreaks. We have shading on the West. The East is bermed, one forest completely below grade. The South is all exposed to get full benefit of the sun. And the building sits there, without too much damage to the environment, we think. Again, the flow diagram, two tanks, so that we can collect temp water at one temperature and not degraded by collecting at a lower temperature, and having to throw that water away. I don't think we've got time to go into the technical details of this. I'd love to, but let's go on. Okay, this is a study we did for Long Island. And, I show you this... Implemented on an intensive scale. And there's the curve for annual energy usage. This shows the peak, what happens to the peak summer demand. This is generating capacity. This was projected to be built to nuclear plants. This is a nuclear plant under construction. This is a Long Island Lighting Company's beautiful curve that follows the, I think they drew the curve to follow the construction program, rather the other way around. This was our curve, you see, we wouldn't need this plan for quite a while, if ever, wouldn't need this one for awhile. This one could be delayed. This is a curve that would occur if energy conservation were implemented on a major scale throughout Long Island. Ten-year program to retrofit all buildings. That's why the curve drops. And then, as all buildings are retrofitted and new buildings come on the line, energy conserving buildings load begins to pick up, but here we are, without the need for this plant, this plant, or this plant. And we've done this in Pennsylvania, we've done it, rather, in New Jersey, and Connecticut, and California, and every one of the shapes of these curves are the same. And what's actually happened, now, is Long Island Lighting Company said, \"Well, we really didn't need this capacity, \"but we're gonna need it in the future, \"so in the meantime, we'll sell half the capacity \"to upper New York State,\" is what they've done. So, it is shown that they didn't need this. And the forecasts were done, not dishonestly, but with obsolete methods that bear looking. And before you spend $2 billion for these plants, you ought to take a look at what can be done with alternatives. And this is in a region of 2,700,000 people, it can be repeated anywhere. But saying $2 billion it would take to build these plants, we figured how much this conservation program would cost. Here, again, was the winter load, here's a winter peaks, flat. Same $2 billion spent to do this, would produce 64,000 jobs. This would produce 16,000 jobs. The new plants would produce a BTU, for every BTU that would produce, this one would save two and a half BTUs. Now, from an economics, from an energy standpoint, it makes sense, from an institutional standpoint, we didn't say this would happen, we said this could happen, technically it's possible. It takes a lot of legislation, incentives, disincentives, codes, standards, and then this sort of a curve could happen. What if we're wrong? What if we're up here? What if we're up here? It's still pretty good. So I think this is what we've gotta strive for as we go about designing individual buildings. Just a very few quick slides on some systems. There are ways to extract energy from exhaust air, and run around coil system, one airstream here, one here, with the glycol solution pumping energy. So you take heat from the exhaust air, put it in the fresh air, and there are lots of ways to do this. You can have an air to air heat exchanger. You can have a heat pipe, which is a passive heat element, you condense a vapor in the air and take energy from one stream and put in the other, without any moving parts. And just to show you, there is a wide variety, you can take a heat pump and use it as a heat exchanger. And the heat pump can take energy, both latent and sensible, from one airstream and put it into another. In the stream, you can take heat from baking ovens, paint spray booths, and put it into the air into the building. Let's skip these and get on to some... Double bundle condenser. The heat pump is really the workhorse of energy conservation, today, it can do a lot of things. It moves energy from one place to another, and it does it quite efficiently. It uses about one third to a quarter less energy than electric resistance heating. And many states, now, have banned electric resistance heating for buildings. Here's a flat plate collector, a conventional flat plate collector with layers of glass, or plastic, absorber plate, insulation. And this is what's generally used for most low temperature applications, like heating and hot water. This is the roof of the George Towns Elementary School, in Atlanta, Georgia. This building was retrofitted for heating and cooling. And you can see the amount of construction was necessary, an existing building to accommodate the collectors. Next slide shows the collectors going in place. And then, the collectors and reflectors. And we found by putting these reflectors opposite the collectors, we could bounce sunlight on the collectors and save about 20% of the energy that would be required if we didn't have the reflectors. It's cheaper to build reflectors than it is to buy collectors. This configuration, these angles, that we worked out a computer program, now, to be able to do them for any latitude, whether you're heating or cooling. This cost a lot of money, this project, it was not cost-effective. Absorption refrigeration with air conditioning and solar is not cost effective today. It's one of the things we found out. One of the reasons is these are the storage tanks here, look at the amount of piping, these tank farm. We couldn't get the tanks in the building. This installation, alone, just cost a lot of money. And so I think it's important to pick out the kinds of projects that are most suitable for solar and for conservation. This was a demonstration project. The government wanted to build it in a hurry, demonstrate some principles. We are collecting a lot of good data, however, it's not cost-effective, and just this complexity of piping, that's really conventional plumbing, is very, very costly to say nothing of the collectors. The collectors are cheapest part of this whole project. Here's the finished school with the collectors on the roof. It works beautifully. It practically carries a load, the summer cooling load. But again, we looked at the program in the school, and they had kids spread all over this building in the summertime. We said, \"Can you consolidate the educational programs \"in part of the building and cut off the rest of it?\" And they found they could do it. And by doing that, we cut the air conditioning load from about a hundred tons of refrigeration down to 30 tons. And so, we made the program changes to accommodate what could be built. And again, it was an effort to look at both the loads and the demand. Just to test collectors, we used to have many of these sun simulators around, this happened to be in Honeywell's factory. Now, there are testing stations that have sprung up, they're approved by National Bureau of Standards, and collectors are tested under a standard procedure. Here's the tubular collectors, the Owens Illinois. This collector is evacuated, it has a vacuum between the outer tubes and the inner tubes, they're concentric tubes. And you can generate high temperatures with this collector. You can generate temperatures above 200 degrees, easily, for absorption and cooling. Problem with this collector is you can't drain the top headers and you can't vent the bottom. So they've had some problems with these collectors, problems that are just in conceiving the design. So, they're efficient, but again, they're troublesome, and there have to be some modifications made, probably with headers on the top and the bottom, rather than the way this is arranged, with just a header in the middle. Here's a storage system in a house, as compared to what you saw on the tank farm, neat and packaged, and, of course, the costs are vastly different. This is a storage system too. This is a George Loft house, here in Colorado. He has an air collector system. These sono air ducts are receptacles for rocks, and we have rock storage, he has rock storage system in here, and he had no place to put the storage, so if he can't hide it, flaunt it, and this was in his front hall. Just a few solar houses to give you an idea of what's happening, here's Owens Illinois in an installation. Again, the same collectors in an installation in Illinois. Another one in Aurora, Colorado, some solar collectors, some of these are from the HUD demonstration program, Peachtree, Georgia. This is a trickle collector, the Thomaston collector, it's, everybody says an inefficient collector, what's efficiency? You don't get many BTUs per square foot of collector service, therefore it's inefficient. I disagree. You get a lot of surface for a small amount of dollars. So you get a lot of BTUs per dollar invested, and that's the way efficiency should be looked at. The water's taken up to the top, it's trickled down through an open corrugated web, below the layer of glass, picked up in a storage tank, that's surrounded by rocks for thermal storage, and the air blows through the rocks into the house. It's a very effective system. This was a retrofit of a townhouse in Philadelphia, existing building. This was a little ski lodge we did up in new England, with solar collectors up here, and a very large reflecting surface in front of the collectors. Again, a lot of passive design here, a great deal of solar heat, free heat. And again, on this scale, this made very delightful little ski lodge. I can't see that very well. Let's skip it. This is another solar Thomaston system in Colorado, where they used something like, through November, a dollar and 50 cents worth of gas in this house, we talked to the family that lived here. A lot of people don't like to looks of solar collectors. They aren't particularly beautiful. On the other hand, if they're done properly and integrated in the building, and some of them are, they look quite attractive. This was an early house up in Massachusetts. One of the early, one of the first of the 20 houses that existed for 20 years with solar. The Bridges Building, Frank Bridges, down in New Albuquerque, New Mexico, the first commercial building. This is a retrofit, this is Dick Crowder, who's a really energy conscious architect in Denver. And here, he was retrofitting this existing building by modifying the roof for proper collector slope. And he's finished this job. People live in it, and it sold. And that's the major question, Can you sell solar? Sure. He sold it in the basis that this was gonna save enough energy in the life of this system, in the next 15 year period to pay for itself. And that's not present day energy costs, I think the payback would be a lot faster. This is not an upside down house, this is a Thomaston house that I showed you earlier, with the collectors, here, and from any angle it looks about the same. This is the Dover One House, the first system that has both solar collectors for heating and foldable textiles for generation of electricity from sunlight. Cost $135,000, it was initial one. The cost of solar cells has come down, even since these were put in, of course, in the space program they were $2,000 a Watt, a year ago, they were $15 a Watt, they're down $11 a Watt, and we expect to see them down about 50 cents a Watt, 50 cents a Watt photovoltaics are gonna be competitive with any central generating plant. And it's decentralized, you don't have the distribution losses. If enough sunlight falls on this house to provide all the energy it needs all year. This is a collector installation. I show you that happened that was occurring in New Haven. Now, these collectors, are Sun Works collectors, and they were fitting between the roof rafters of the building, with the idea being that there'd be money saved by combining the roof and the solar collectors. Didn't turn out to be that way. First of all, the collectors are narrower then normal because they have to fit in the roof between the roof rafters. Number two, the piping became difficult because the rafters interfered with horizontal runs of piping. And perhaps, two other important factors. One, the collectors are pretty true material metal, casings are true, but wood is not, and wood warps and twists and turns, and it's very hard to get a good seal here, between the collector and the wood construction. And probably the payoff was that the contractor said, \"Hey you're holding me up by my construction, \"it's costing me twice as much to put my cheap roof \"on, which I would take a slap on \"and get out of here before you guys ever showed up.\" So, therefore, his cost was about twice as much to put the roof on, and all the anticipated savings disappear. So, these are the kinds of things I think we have to take a look at when we look at building construction methods. And sometimes there seems to be savings, but you've gotta look at the construction process as well. The process is important, and the construction industries had a way of working, and they aren't gonna be easily disturbed by the solar industry, I can tell you. They're gonna continue their merry way for a long time. And it's something that's gotta be taken into account, we figure the systems and their costs. This is a concept of a wind generator and a wind furnace. Wind is a very, very good source of energy, particularly in Long Island, we found. However, it's hard to store electrical energy. However, if the wind is used to generate electricity to heat hot water, and the hot water stored, and used for heating, it becomes a pretty efficient system. And wind with solar becomes a pretty good system. Again, the concept of wind generating is in Long Island with multiple number of generators. This system could provide all the energy for Long Island, New York State, part of Pennsylvania, and part of Connecticut with wind, if nothing else. The technology is not that far developed, it's not far away. So, there are alternatives that appear on the horizon. Let me not go through the rest of these slides. Can I have the lights, please? I'm gonna take about 10 more minutes. I just wanna show you... Can I set this up, Don, while I'm going through a few things here? Just a couple of points. One, I've tried to show you there are many, many alternatives that have proved to be doable, practical, buildable, and energy conserving. And so we.. Pardon. Okay. So that I think this gives us some precedent and some really hope to carry these things further. Now, I got just a couple of pointers. I'd like to point out four, a couple of items, I'd like to point out if I can find page eight. Where architects and engineers, that I think, really are required to make some of these things happen, then I wanna quickly go through about five view graphs about energy conscious building that evolved from the function and from the outside environment. Number one, just 12 points here, very quickly, the architect and the engineer must, he's gotta review the forgotten, things we've put aside, mass, sun, the Crete example, the Adobe example, things that we have forgotten about, now, we're bringing back out and using. There's a particular need for self-education and training. In our own office, we have seminars every week to retread good engineers, good architects, who have not been especially energy conscious, or especially a trained energy conservation, and we find that these weekly seminars bring the entire office up to speed. There's gotta be lots of workshops in the region we're finding these. The computer, a computer is a blessing and a curse. A computer, when it's used properly, there's no other way to do the task. However, we find that the computer is used in the early stages of projects to the detriment of thinking and analytical thinking. Almost everything comes to mind gets programmed into the computer. You get a load of paper out, you're married to that status code, that paper, you plot the results. After you get through, you can't afford to go back and look at the problem. So the computer, I think, has to be used judiciously. You have to see how it's programmed and used to do repetitive calculations and alternatives, but not to take the place of the basic philosophical and conceptual thinking. I think the architects have to lead and not follow the client. I think he's got the architect is in a position to make his points known and it requires this kind of leadership. I find that legislators listen to architects, they listen to engineers, they listen to what's coming from the field. I think we've gotta participate in public affairs, in the legislative, and the codes, and the school boards. We're part of this industry, we've got to be able to lend our expertise to those who need this kind of help. Early education. We're seeing a lot more of it, but we're still a long way to go. It's gotta start in the very early grades. We gotta know economics. Architecture and engineering is economics. There's one thing, economics underlies everything, everything, it underlies even human values. Human values are not an absolute for the moment. It is a human value to be able to get to a grocery store by walking, or by train, or by bus. It's human value, but it's economics. And so, we find that the economic analysis are neglected, and systems are designed and presented without the cost benefits and the paybacks. Economics, however, I think have to go broader than what we've been used to. And we've gotta look at what it's really worth to the country to have another gallon of oil on the ground or another cubic foot of gas that we can use for fertilizer, and not burn it up. So I think we've got a lot of ways to go, looking at the macro economics and revising our system there. We've found, but we've had to develop a very, very extensive energy library. And it's hard to know what is worthwhile reading and keeping what isn't, there's just such a tremendous load of material. However, this becomes a tool, a stock, a tool in our trade, and we've got to begin to assemble these kinds of guides that help us all. We've gotta really know the building materials. We've got to know the physics of buildings and the physics of heat transfer, the chemical properties. So it becomes a much broader educational process for the architect engineer than it was formally. And again, passive, first conservation, and then solar. Let me just, if I might indulge for just five minutes, looking at these view graphs. In my work in the master's program at Pratt, we're designing an energy conscious building, a museum that will act as an educational institution, we started for kids, three years old, three to 80, and it's a active museum, it's a hands-on workshop, it's a classroom, and the building, itself, becomes an energy machine. Building represents the process. And this is how the form evolved from that concept. Okay, this is looking at the front, the south facade, the south facade is large because we wanna capture as much sun as possible. We've got a greenhouse down at this level, that collects heat, stores heat, solar collectors at these levels, and large storage columns, here, that both store energy, seasonally, store heat in the summer to use in the winter, and store cool in the winter to use in the summer. There are also structural columns. Can you just put the slide them in for me please?\r\n\r\n- [Don] Sure.\r\n\r\n- [Fred] Thank you. Now, you can see the building taking shape here. The building tapers to the North. The North is the most energy consumptive facade, so that we want very small exposure to the North. So it slopes back, it's bermed up. There's an atrium in the middle here that brings light and heat into the interior, there's sky lighting across here. And again, the greenhouse here. This is the Hudson River, which is used as a source for cooling and for heat pump. And all the energy for this building is by wind, by sun, and by garbage, generating electricity, and there's no need for connection to the utility company. Next one, Don. These were xeroxes made from slides, the quality is not good, but it does demonstrate something, how the shape is evolved. These are the columns I spoke about, looking from the back of planetariums, so they can plot the course of the sun, different times of the year, study the solar system, the back, the mechanical systems, I think, are shown better in our future when they're back here with a glass so that as you come into this building, all parts are visible at once. And let's see the next one, please, Don. Here's a view from the East with the entrance here, the storage and structural system here. And these columns serve another purpose, they also act as a sunshade and a windbreak for windows that are mounted between the columns. Sorry the quality isn't better. Here's a view looking down out of the entrance. As you come into the entrance, there's a waterfall and a waterwheel to demonstrate hydro power. The offices look down onto this space. The land is bermed to the North, and all around, mechanical systems are in the back. And the next one, please. And we found by approaching this design problem from the interior and the exterior, they meshed, we found what spaces wanted to see the sun, which needed the sun, which didn't, what space could be buried back, and the floor plan will show that. This is looking head on, I think we've seen this. And let's just see what the floor plan might look, is that the floor plan? No, that's the, okay, fine. There was the mechanical spaces in the back with glass, so that as you come into this building, you can see that entire mechanical system, everything is visible to visitors and there are workshops in here which can be closed, but with glass partitions, so that experiments can go on without being interfered, but in view of the public. Next one, please. And this is a cutaway view of the model, showing what happens on different floors. It's not clear enough, and I won't spend any time with it. This is the lower level of floor plan, with the auditorium under the entrance. This atrium, bringing light throughout the anterior building, into the interior. At the bottom of the atrium, an experimental house, with an experimental landscaping site, with passageways, exhibit spaces on this floor, greenhouse, here, with workshops and biomass, and other kinds of laboratories within the greenhouse, and the columns here, which, as I said, are multi-use, they also house the fire stairs and mechanical spaces back here. And we'll just look at one more. And again, as you go up at an upper level with little auditorium exhibit space. And across this entire full height space there's a skylight on top, and the sky at any atrium are controlled, so that they're turned off at nighttime, and they also have louvers to direct the sun in any direction, into the interior of the building. These workshops are built within the truss spaces, Vierendeel truss is eight feet deep between floors, and these workshops, and classrooms can be changed to suit conditions and sizes, as needed, without making any major change within the building. Let's not... It's 9:30 and I wanna leave a little time for questions. I just want to just to sum this up, just one word, save. Thank you. Yes?\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] All this research you're doing it to getting the buildings to work better kinda spacious. A lot of small building projects, like a house, maybe a little bigger. How much time could you go through, in the design process, before it shoots up the architectural bill, the engineering bill, more than you can afford to save?\r\n\r\n- [Fred] Well, we found out that we can design these systems without any increase in engineering costs or architectural costs, because after you've built up a body of knowledge, do the research, and we've been very fortunate because the research was paid for by my great white father. We find that it does not cost more to do energy conscious design. You just do it automatically. You know where your windows are going. You know what the sizes are. It really does not cost more. Now, in a large building, it costs more for computer programs and analytical programs. And we find that clients are paying more for that. So it's an additional service, and it's probably the best investment that can be made at that stage, if the money is spent at that stage. For instance, on the General Service Administration Building in California, we have two contracts, one for energy conservation. It's an $18 million building. The energy services cost $57,000. The design is a normal design fee on top of that. Now, the $57,000 will produce energy savings of really, in the neighborhood of a hundred some odd thousand dollars a year. So, from the state standpoint, it certainly, you can't get a much better investment than that. But the interesting thing is the state is paying for additional energy services. In our residences, it's not that complicated, it's smaller, it can be done. I think that some of it we've gotta bear these costs. We've gotta spend a few more hours, ourselves. And I think this is where we make our own contribution to our own education. And I don't think we can get paid for every dollar we spend, initially, I think it would come back, but it does take a lot of extra effort, a lot of midnight oil and the Saturdays and Sundays for a while, but then, after a while, it begins to be part of your normal practice.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] You alluded to the fact that your light and solar systems cost effective. Are you finding on average that ?\r\n\r\n- [Fred] All right, let me clarify that. First of all, if we take the uses of solar in heating domestic hot water is probably the best years because the year round load, and once you bought the collector, you'll save every month. And after that, probably tempering outdoor air, because it's a low temperature application, and laboratories, and hospitals, and other areas that need outdoor air, solar is a very good application, and then space heating, and then cooling is not cost-effective at all. Now, it depends what the conventional fuel costs are. In the Con Ed territory in Westchester, with electricity eight to 10 cents a KW, all those systems are cost-effective. In the TV Valley area, nothing will compete with it. Where gas, present prices of gas, it's hard to make a solar heating system cost competitive, even on a 20-year basis. However, with deregulation, which is sure to come, we're gonna see a complete change in this relationship. Again, story we can find, we can design. One step backwards for a minute. A passive solar system is cost-effective today, an active system less, but passive is cost-effective right now, almost anywhere in the country, even up in the Northwest, in Seattle, where a passive tram wall can save 30% of the energy. So that those systems are cost effective immediately. The hot water systems everywhere in the country gets electricity, it's cost-effective on about a five to six year payback. Against oil, about a eight, 10 to 12 year payback, and against gas, about 20. For space heating, we find about a 20 year payback against oil, still against gas it's not that good, in almost any area. So that we're seeing this relationship change. And again, cost-effective what does that mean? That's on present fuel cost. And we look at escalation and we don't know what it's gonna be. We always plot this with a sensitivity to a 5%, a 10%, and a 15% year increase. And we'll see where it falls in that curve. With fuel cost escalation, it changed the payback period tremendously, and many people are buying assistance based on expected future costs, and I don't think they'd be disappointed, however, we don't know.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] That solar you showed would that be a GE panel?\r\n\r\n- [Fred] Well, GE makes one a exactly the same, almost exactly the same. Yes, they've just come out with theirs. And they have not yet, either, corrected the draining or venting problem, so that I think we'll find the same problems there. They can be linked, but they haven't been. Owens Corning also makes one, they were smart enough to withdraw theirs from the market, before they sold them commercially, and they went back to the drawing board. The best of them is made by Phillips in Holland, which can drain and can vent, and they're very, very efficient, the vacuum of course cuts all the losses, and they have a selective surface on the glass, and they can get temperatures of 300 and 350 degrees, enough to drive a ranking cycle engine turbine. And also, of course, the technology, glass making technology is so well-known, that it looks very promising for reducing production costs.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] Have you found whether or not there's any difference between air and water systems?\r\n\r\n- [Fred] Between air and water systems? Well, the difference is, I think, could be easily identified, the water systems, in most areas, you've got a problem, with potential freezing, which means a heat exchanger, or a drain down system, drain down systems have problems of re-venting, and the safest system is a heat exchanger, in a glycol, but you lose efficiency because the heat exchanger has about a 10 degree approach temperature, which means you gotta generate higher temperatures, and the heat exchanger costs more. Their leakage in wet systems and corrosion, with the air system, you don't have any of those problems. If you have leakage, it's the air leakage, but it doesn't do any damage and you find it and unplug it. For houses, I like an air system better than a wet system. And at lower temperatures, if you're designing systems, the fluid temperature 110, 120 degrees, the air collectors are about as efficient as a water collector. Now, the air systems are not any good for cooling at all. They're not any good for higher temperature process. And in larger buildings, the size of the ducts becomes a constraint to get the air in and out of the collector, and back down the storage, the rock storage can become troublesome on larger systems. So we find, for houses, I think the air systems are preferable. And for larger buildings, I think it would lean more towards the wet systems, for those reasons.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] I found in my studies .\r\n\r\n- [Fred] I would say it's the same as what you found there.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] Pretty controlled holders in the rock storage system.\r\n\r\n- [Fred] Those that I've smelled have been a little musty at times. It's a difficult thing to control. I don't think you can really control it. You can either mask it or you can dry it out, and it recurs periodically. In one house I saw in Washington I could see a little moldy up on the walls, so these are problems with a rock bed system, and I haven't seen that they've been solved. Like if you save enough money you put up with it. He's been a great promoter of that. And at the same time it's difficult to get the cigarette odor out of the house if you had a number guests without any concentrated.\r\n\r\n- Well, you can use, of course, there are ways to do it. You can use a charcoal filter, of course, in the circuit and take out all the odors. It's another additional resistance, there's already a resistance. The air systems do use more power for circulation. The fans take more power than the pump in the wet system. 'Cause the resistance through the rock bed and filters and that sort of thing. Again, it's not in the overall system, it's not serious, but it is an item that you've gotta look out for.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] If solar cooling is not cost effective, is a better approach ?\r\n\r\n- That's not very inexpensive either. And also, it's only effective in really humid climates. I think it's a really good system, especially in combination with commercial refrigeration. So, to dehumidify the air with a desiccant, and you regenerate it with solar heat, and you take all the humidity out of the air, of course. And then you just use the refrigeration for sensible cooling, at a higher suction temperature, which is more efficient. Now, I think the system has a good promise in the Gulf States, and in other areas where you experience high humidity. I don't think it would be particularly effective in Iowa, even though you'll get some days with high humidity, because of percentage of time the humidity's that high, I don't think it'd be a cost-effective system.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] now, I can say that.\r\n\r\n- [Fred] I'm not saying it doesn't get humid, but the duration of the humidity, and it's not, first of all, it's not a very cost cheap system to start with. So you've got to really have a good humidity load, like Washington DC, or like the Gulf States, and maybe it's that bad there, maybe I don't know that.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] Is this really commercially available?\r\n\r\n- [Fred] Not in packages, but certainly all the components can be bought. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/45440/file/118398#t=0.0,5882.20082"}]}]}]}