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Can you guys hear this?\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Thanks. Okay. Yes. All right. My name is Victor Manuel Servino. I'm a senior in political science and international studies. I'd like to welcome you on behalf of Institute and World Affairs which is funded by the government student body and the political science department. I would like to remind you that next Thursday November the 6th we will have the Iowa caucus workshop. This workshop will teach you how to participate in the upcoming Iowa caucuses. And the workshop will take place in the great hall that's right next door. Then the upcoming week after that, we have Janine Zacharia she's the Washington Bureau Chief of The Jerusalem post. She'll be talking about U S diplomacy in the middle East. Then the week after that on November the 11th we'll have Henning Lois, I guess. He's German journalist. He'll be talking about the war in Iraq and the view from Europe. This will also be in the great hall. But today we continue with our series Outside Looking In, American foreign policy after September the 11th. Our guest tonight is Dr. John C Holzman. Dr. Holzman is a research fellow with the Heritage Foundation Davis Institute for International Policy Studies where he examines European security and NATO affairs. The European Union, U S European trade and economic relations and the war on terror. He makes regular appearances on ABC, Fox news, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and the BBC. He was a fellow in European studies at the center for strategic and international studies in Washington and taught world politics and U S foreign policy at the university of St. Andrews, Scotland. His books include The Paradigm for the New World Order and The World Turned Right Side Up and New Trading Agenda for the Age of Globalization. He also recently contributed a chapter to an upcoming volume critiquing the train of humanitarian intervention. Dr. Holzman has traveled extensively throughout Europe and the former Soviet Union and lived in Scotland for 7 years while earning his doctorate and master's degrees in modern history and international relations from the university of St. Andrews. There will be a reception following Dr. Holzman's presentation in which he has candidly agreed to answer any lingering questions you might have after the Q and A session, but without any further delays please join me in welcoming Dr. John C Holzman.\r\n\r\n- Well, I'd like to thank you all for coming out tonight. So when I left Washington it was 82 degrees and my staff are in shorts and delighted that I wasn't going to be there, I think. We're in shorts and we were praising the benefits of global warming, I have to admit. And I came here on the plane and I was sitting there and I hadn't read the forecast. And the pilot said that the flight would be on time. There'd be a whole bunch of closings. So I was delighted to hear the flight would be on time. And then he said, and when you get to Des Moines it will be a balmy 26. And I looked at the guy next to me, who was an Iowan and I said, he's kidding and he said 'oh, he's not kidding'.\r\n\r\n- But despite that, thank you for coming out. It's delightful to see so many people and I'm an Ohioan so we rough these things out in a way. I'd like to talk to you about Europe and the United States tonight, but saying that and I lay myself open for savage questioning later I play a pretty broad center field at the Heritage Foundation for my sins in my youth in Scotland, where I spent 8 years of my life. Very happy 8 years of my life. I, as an undergraduate, took a meaningless class. In fact, my friends asked me, why are you wasting your time studying the organizational structure of Al Qaeda. And I've sat on council on foreign relations task forces on what to do about Al Qaeda and sadly, also what to do about Iraq and so questions that are farther afield than just Europe relating to trade, Al-Qaeda or Iraq I'd be pleased to enter into the mix later. So feel free to hit the pinata when you can. But I'd like to talk about Europe. A, What happened to lead us to the state that we're in? B, Where are we? And C, the only question in Washington anybody ever asks me. What do you want me to do, John? That's great. Your analysis on TV, very funny, clever, charming, whatever. Just tell me what you want me to do. And if you can't answer that question in a very practical policy oriented way, nobody will listen to you and frankly, I don't think that's a sign of our shallowness I think that's a sign of our practicality and our genius for getting that right here in this country. You should be able to answer what it is indeed that you ought to do. So I'm going to have a modest proposal and try to actually answer that question in my own imperfect way. But first, how did we get here? Well, we got here a couple of ways. I'm a former academic so I'll start with my academic answer which is methodological. If I were an analyst grading my graduate class on U S European relations, I would fail everybody and this is why. Europeans, who are too Wilsonian it's the striking characteristic of foreign policy in Europe. They have one school of thought, perfectly legitimate thing to be Wilsonian, but that's pretty much all they are. European Wilsonians for the last 12 years having invited guests, who to have orange juice at Rome Paris, London, Berlin, all the places I get to go. Guess who they invited? American Wilsonians, to conferences. And I can name the ten people they invited all of them are my friends, by the way. They would say to them, 'well, we don't have any differences, they're just bumps in the road. Everything's the same. There are no real problems here between us'. And they were entirely right and they were entirely wrong. Indeed with the six people in the room who now don't control the House, the Senate, the Supreme court, or the Executive branch, indeed there were no problems. But they have no power in Washington. They didn't reach out to other institutions that have been around that are both internationalists and foreign policy thinking realism, which and I'll say this now I'm a realist. We've been around since the Jay treaty of 1793. So this is not a small mistake that they made. Alexander Hamilton and the Jay treaty that's us. Or neo-conservatives, not my group at all and as I'm not in Washington I can say a few mean things about them and then pretend you all misquoted me which I'll be pleased to do. But the neo-conservatives have been around since Irving Kristol and the Trotsky movement of the 1930s so they've been around for 70 years. So surely the Europeans have not done their homework by inviting American Wilsonians to meet European Wilsonians over orange juice for 12 years, proclaiming the end of history. Not good enough. On the other hand I would castigate and I won't pick on my own people of course. I'll castigate the neoconservatives. If you believe the world is truly unipolar as the neoconservatives are meaning the United States is the new Rome. That's all there is out there. The world is an inert Tabularasa for me to write on. Why would you ever leave Washington? If all the power in the world is located in DC, why would you go off to France however fun the cocktail party? You wouldn't. And they haven't. And so over the last 13 years, what you have are Europeans and I can name the five organs they read. I write for all of which say exactly the same thing. The same group of people. It's a cottage industry, self referentially talking to the other 15 European Wilsonians with the odd guy from Brook who was thrown in to prove that they're international. And that doubles for discourse in American neoconservatives reading the Weekly Standard and going to picnics together saying as long as we don't include anybody else, we're going to be right. This group think that the rack is to order, and we certainly have not served the world well, any of us. And I will say this now the realists are no better. We read the National Interest. I have my copy in my hotel room tonight. We reread one policy review and we go to conferences run by primarily heritage, also AI to an extent and a few Cato folks who are defensive realists. And I can name the 15 people that I hang out with. And that's simply not good enough. And one of the things I love about being here and being out of the hot house orchid environment, that is Washington is the fact that I'm not afraid of Socratic clash. And I think we should have a discussion about these things. I think we should have 13 years ago talk about Nero. We were fiddling while Rome burned. We were talking about the end of history. The Greeks would call this hubristic, arrogant and stupid. And we missed these points and the reason we missed them was methodological because we only talk to people who agree with us. Now, I will say that the Europeans have tried to play catch up. I've been to Paris four times this year Berlin four times this year. As long as there's a rift I'll never be lonely because I'm one of the few people to say that there was a rift. And I said, there was a rift when I started my working career about six or seven years ago. And it was said 'he's young Turk, he's hot blooded, it's a good thing, but he's wrong'. Because NATO has experienced many crises before and now and this is just one of the same. The key thing for an analyst is this point. Is what you're experiencing part of a larger trend line or does it break from the trend? It's very, very hard when I have like you guys 150 email every day, to figure that out but that's ultimately the question. Is what we're experiencing more of the same or is it something entirely different? And I thought it was something entirely different. And a friend of mine who was a Wilsonian, shared a caption at the council on foreign relations who also thought there was a problem with the U S European relationship. We would go to meetings where we were told we were both young and wrong. And so every time we went to a meeting we would add to a list as to the differences between Europe and the United States and a fundamental nature. And my shameless plug is if you go to the heritage website and look at my testimony before Congress, on this point we have a list of 73 separate areas of disagreement. And this became a game that every time they'd say that we would add two more things that were different. The point is the differences, when you add them up lead to a very, very different worldview because structurally and here I speak as a realist I don't live in a bipolar world anymore. Everybody I talked to had the cold war as their fundamental organizing principle of their existence. It's not surprising. If you're not my age or younger, it makes perfect sense but I didn't live in a world where the cold war were a bipolar world with the U S and the Soviet union dominating it. Made a whole lot of sense. And if you're a European and you're not now constrained by the fact that every disagreement with the United States didn't matter because you had a gun to your head, that gun being the Soviet Union, once that's gone there are bound to be greater differences. They're bound to be greater differences. The question for our time is do we manage these differences? Or as my grandmother would say, do we throw the baby out with the bath water? That's the simple question. The differences, now everybody thinks we're right and says, good job, well done guys, all that. That's not the point. The policy question is, can we manage these differences or is Iraq going to be the beginning of the end of the transatlantic Alliance, which has been the most successful Alliance, I would argue, in the history of the world. And it's that stark and it's that simple But to start with I think none of us have covered ourselves with glory over the last 13 years. So what happened? Well, it all began as most things do in Washington with a mistake, never believe Oliver Stone. None of us are competent enough to run a conspiracy. I've lived in Washington seven years we're just not that good, okay? To run a conspiracy theory. What happened was the United States and the Bush administration over the diplomatic row over Iraq made a calculation, though lazy, that made sense. The calculation was this. This will be more of the same. We're back to that paradigm thing. Meaning the Chinese will abstain as they always do in every major vote, meaning they hate what the United States does, but they don't want to get in our way because they think there but for the grace of God go I, and that we will see them as our enemy. So they've stayed on every major vote in the security council as they've done for the last 25 years. That was pretty much a given. Now it begins to go wrong. The other thing they did get right was the British who would behave as Sundance to our Butch Cassidy. The British in 1956, made a calculation entirely opposite from that of the French. The British said, the Americans are crazy. We don't like what they're doing over Suez so we can never let them act alone again. We must always agree with them strategically and fight our battles tactically and whisper in their ears. McMillan said to Kennedy, as the wily old Athenians whispering into the ear of the brutish Romans. When I say this in Britain, every Brit laughs and nods. So this is still pretty much what they think. The French said, 'the Americans are crazy. We must balance them'. Which would have been fine if we weren't in terms of power fighting a man the size of the wizard of Oz.\r\n\r\n- Not a bad policy not enough power to make it work, which is a lot of the American frustration behind the French doing this. You've talked to this guy and you're like Well, I don't understand. But the policy really does devolve from the Suez crisis in '56. Both of them behaved as one would permit, you know that they would, the key point was Russia. Nobody went into this like Blofeld stroking the white cat saying we are going to dominate the world or we're going to balance the United States. It just simply didn't work that way. Everybody thought the United States would get the Russians on board, as we did on missile defense as we did on NATO expansion, as we did on WTO excession as we did on Soviet debt rescheduling as we did on Russian debt rescheduling. That this would be just another in a series of steps about Putin who had turned decisively to the West and the tradition of his hero, The reformist Tsar, Peter the great. Which I still think he is, but we didn't send anybody there. Whereas before on missile defense, we sent Khandi And Rummy and Hadley and the Wolf man and the VP and the press and Paul and Hermitage and everybody went for the photo ops. So the Russians could maintain their very wounded pride about no longer being a superpower. It was handled really very well. On this point we simply said, they've gone along with us on everything else, so they'll go along this time. We didn't look at the fact that the Russians have parliamentary elections in December. That there's a Nomenclatural in Russia still very much opposed to America. They started on cold war grounds, sniping at Putin and that if we didn't make the effort to engage Putin we weren't likely to get a yes vote when he could simply say 'no', carry that favor of all the people there and still be pro-Western. From Putin's point of view makes perfect sense. We were lazy technically about going out to see Putin and Dee the secretary of state who I'm a fan of didn't even bother to go to Moscow. I think this was a huge, huge mistake. And as a result the Russians began to waiver. Now with the Russians wavering the Chinese still in their usual abstention position the French in their typical opportunistic way see an opportunity here. Deep in their hearts, the French, they are all Gallus. They want to create a polar power to challenge the United States. But most of the French elite are simply too smart to think this will work because they know they're the wizard of Oz. Their economies aren't big enough to challenge us militarily. They can't challenge us industrially. They can't demographically they're facing a nightmare. They don't have the ability to challenge us without allies. Okay? They can't. And those allies, by the way, have to stick. It can't be one issue it has to be a general anti-American position. President Chirac has held every position you could possibly hold in his adult life. He has been for the cap. He's been against the cap. He's been for the EU. He's been against the EU. He's been for farmers. He's been for reform. He's been for military strength He's been for military weakness and saving the money. And if he weren't president undoubtedly like prime minister Berlusconi, he'd be indicted. Rightly so, but he is an opportunist in the sense that he knows an opportunity when he sees one. With the Russians wavering, he said to the Russians and with the Germans who are not in the security council very much off the chart because of political considerations we can talk about later. Again, politically what Schroeder did it made perfect sense. Strategically it was disastrous, but politically it got him reelected. Politicians care about getting reelected. They worry about the strategy later. Okay. And all the people I knew in Germany say, yeah we know it was really dumb, but look, we're in power and you have to talk to me. As far as that goes, that's correct. So knowing that this coalition was brewing who went out and actually went to Moscow and talked to Putin, Chirac and Vedrine the former foreign minister and the Villepin the current foreign minister and every other French guy who mattered? Jack Lang went out there and Kuchnir went out there and pretty much I think Henry Levie, even their philosophers went out there which in France is important. Even they went out and did this kind of thing. The guy with the long hair you see on French TV he went out there, looks good as it was nothing to say. He went out there. But they engage the Russians and won them over. So suddenly you have a very different situation. I knew we were in trouble the day the Chinese said we might not abstain. My next call was to the Russian embassy saying, what's going on. The Russian said very clearly to me what's going on is you didn't bother. Okay. Now, how does one look at this as an American? There's good news and there's bad news here. The good news is this coalition. Isn't long for this world. Okay? The reasons that the big 3, the Russians, the French and the Germans who are the three who have to hold together in terms of power size. They're the ones that matter. The reason that this coalition is unstable is that they didn't do what they did for the same reasons. The French did it for traditional goal is three. Since, as I've suggested the Russians did it for political reasons as well as wounded pride, as well as American diplomatic incompetence and the Germans did it largely for electoral reasons and public opinion reasons. The German populace is increasingly pacifist and not Atlanticist and that's a big change. And Put and a Schroeder got that right. But all these reasons are different. That's not a coalition likely to hold together over the long-term over all the other issues it would have to, to challenge the United States. And in fact, the only way it seems to me that coalition will hold together is if my neo-conservative brethren and the Republican party forced them together by punishing them. I don't know about you, but my relatives were Puritans. We burned witches and stole land from native Americans and all that kind of stuff. And when I hear this notion about punishing people in Europe, nobody else understands it. And I put it down to my background. The worst thing in the world to do would be to punish the Germans and the Russians because what happens when you do that? Who do they go to? The French. I can't think of a dumber policy. I can't think of a dumber thing to do. The point is if you indeed want to make the French impotent which will drive them crazy you reengage the Germans and the Russians as quickly as you can, on as many issues as you can. Which is where I've been trying to lead American policy and writing nasty things about my own party. Right, but not good for the career, but necessary because that's the way to keep this from forming a bastion against the United States, that would be permanent and create a polar power to challenge us. And by the way a polar power run by Paris, given current proclivities and I'll list just a couple. If you asked the French who caused September 11th the number three answer would be the Mossad or the United States or some combination. This is an emotional thing. This is not a rational thing and that makes it dangerous. And so we want to divide this. The good news is, it's easy to divide because the other story the good news coming out of this is not a notion of Europe versus the United States. It's a notion of Europe versus Europe. The rest of Europe say to France and Germany, you do not speak for us. The British, the Spanish, the Italian, the Polish the Romanian, the Estonian, the Lithuanian all these governments and more, 18 in total said we're with the American government for our own national interest reasons. But we're with the American government and we're not with France and Germany. Nobody in Europe cares about Iraq, nobody in Europe. So we're gonna visit Iraq, okay? What they care about is how do you feel about American power and the entry European political dynamic that's going on at the moment. Who gets to run Europe and what kind of Europe do we end up with? That's what they talk about. That's what preoccupies them entirely. And that's what this debate became about. As always in these things, it ends up being about things that have nothing to do with the technical rights and wrongs. Is Iraq a good idea or bad idea which in questions I'm more than willing to talk about, but the more interesting thing is you have an entirely divided Europe. My favorite comment was prime minister Athnar of Spain and who by the way, has lowered unemployment in Spain from around 22% to around 11%. He's been incredibly successful Premier of Spain won two full terms. And when asked why he was siding with the Americans, he said, well, so I can play them off against the French and the Germans because I'm tired of France and Germany stitching up deals over the European Union on agriculture without inviting me. To an American here who doesn't follow this that makes absolutely no sense but that is the reality of what's going on here. That's exactly, you know, when you're reading page after page of this stuff, a moment of clarity a moment of truth, because that's indeed what it's about. So how does the United States deal with this situation? I'm a Burkian conservative, meaning I look at the world as I think I see it and not as how I would like it to be. To make it better. I have to see it as it is. One has to start there. That is the first principle I would base the policy I'm about to mention under. And the view of Europe. I'm about to give you is not wildly flattering but I think it's incredibly consistent with the reality of what's going on. One, economically. The O E C D numbers European organization are staggering. Since 1970, there has been a net private sector job loss in the Eurozone area. Let me repeat that. Net private sector job loss in the Eurozone area, meaning in Europe, among the countries who joined the Eurozone they have lost more jobs in the private sector than they have created since 1970. It isn't working very well. Secondly, it's unlikely to work much better because the three countries at the core of the Eurozone, France, Italy, and Germany have a demographic crisis that makes ours look like nothing in comparison. The capitalization rate of pension funds in these countries is all under 10%, meaning they all want to retire at 55 and with 85% of their last paycheck, which is the current Italian system. Well, you can do that but only if one of 4 conditions persists. One, you're willing to raise taxes. Well in continental Europe, you can't raise taxes from the astronomically high levels they're at. European tax rates as a percentage of GDP are about 50% on average. American rates are about 103. Britain's about 41, 42%. It's kind of in between the two, but they're at 50%. You simply can't raise them to be competitive. So they can't do that till you take in a whole lot more immigrants. I always torture the Germans by mentioning this. I said, well, I can solve your problem now. Take in 3 million more Turks. To which they laugh nervously and ask me if I'm out of my mind because politically that's simply not an option there though that would indeed solve their problem. Three-year reduced benefit. They laugh nervously and say I'm out of my mind about that one too. No European wants to give up their seven weeks vacation. And that's the difference. Germany is the great example. The Germans are every bit as productive as the Americans depending on how you measure it. The point is, I don't know about you but I think I got three weeks this year. It was my big boost. But between two and three weeks holiday literally they have about double the time and they're just not doubly smart to us. I said that some of you guys are good but you're not that good and that's the problem. Nobody's going to get rid of their benefit and be reelected. And so that would be the third problem. The fourth one is that they reproduce at a greater rate. So down the road there are more people to pay for this pension system that also would work. But they're not, in fact the opposite is happening particularly in Italy where contraception has just come in really in the last say couple of generations. And if you look at birth rates they're not replacing at the rate of zero. Meaning that that far fewer times are being born. So whereas before four or five workers would work to sustain one retiree, the number is now three Italians work to sustain two. You just simply can't do that and talk seriously about balancing anybody. And there's no political will to deal with this problem. That would be the last thing to say. My favorite moment here is during the French campaign in a moment of Rooseveltian greatness Jocepin and Chirac cut a deal where they said they wouldn't discuss the pension problem because it might win Lepin the radical votes. So they didn't talk about the number one crisis politically affecting them. Not a mark of great bravery there, in my opinion. There simply isn't the will to deal with this politically for the reasons I'd suggest. So economically you have an area that is moribund. Remember 1990, we all talked about the trilateral commission. We all talked about world that the United States the Japanese and Europe / Germany would pretty much roughly divide on economic basis. Well Japan now is a disaster. We just don't want their banking system to collapse. You know, it's totally changed. Remember those bad movies about we were all going to work for the Japanese? Now we just don't want their banking system to collapse because that would really hurt us all. Is there a weakness that we figured out their strength? Germany is growing at a rate, according to the government numbers, which are cheerleading numbers of 0 this year, last year 0.2%, year before that I believe was pointless 0.4, no growth. Zippo, no East and West convergence. East Germany is no longer catching up economically to West Germany so I don't see an economic challenge to put it kindly, on the horizon. I'm more worried about failures militarily. When I started my job before the orange juice conferences three countries in NATO could actually do things out of area, had a large military that was deployable out of area for a period of time. They were France, Britain and the United States. After all the work of all these conferences and all these think tanks, three countries have deployable troops in NATO out of area. Primarily France, Britain and the United States. 25 years from now after many more orange juice meetings three countries will have the ability to act out of area, France Britain and the United States. The trend lines are down. The Germans spend 1.1% of GDP on defense. The French, the British, the Americans spend between 2.5 and 3%. They don't pass the laugh test and given their economic problems they're not about to spend more money. The Spanish spend 0.9, the Italians depending on how you count it anywhere from 0.75 to 1. The Pols, bless them are also not going to spend enough. So however you look at this militarily there is absolutely no change and if there is change, it's a weakening of the European contribution. The European market as a whole is bigger than that of the United States. And yet they spend two thirds of what we do on defense and they get 15%. Yes, 1 5 % of the capability. When I brief the senators, that's the only number they know. They all know the 15 number. They all say we're 85% of NATO. All of Europe together is 15. That's not healthy for any alliance, but it certainly doesn't mark a challenge coming down the road. And then lastly, politically. To put it kindly in Iraq the big 3 acted as national interests would really lead them to act rather than as an EU wide position. Nobody in Washington said, quick get Prodi on the phone. I need to talk to the commissioner Solano about what to do about Iraq. Lots of people said, get Schroeder or Chirac or Blair or Athnar, or Berlusconi on the phone. And until that changes, the notion of a common foreign and security policy remains laughable. Because ultimately, how did the big 3 act on the seminole question of war and peace? The British were Sundance to our Butch Cassidy. The French reflexively said, well, if you do it through the UN, meaning you have a veto over American action, that's okay with me. But if not then, no. And the German said under no circumstances 'cause we have elections. Not really a unified position across the board. There is no sign of that unity on issues of war and peace which after all is why you create a foreign and security policy. Yeah. They can agree on aid to Ghana, but on the major issues that actually motivated foreign policy, they simply aren't in agreement on China for instance. They don't have a policy. They're so inward looking, there is no policy. On Iran they just about do, kind of. On the middle East, well to kind of support the Palestinians, vaguely, whatever that means, but they don't really explain what that means. And that's a great frustration. Is that when you talk to them about what would you do? You really don't get an answer. So my view of Europe is one of economic weakness, political division and military impotence. Does that mean like my neo-con friends I say, aha, let's go home? No. Because we don't live in a unipolar world we live in a world where the United States is chairman of the board, depending on whatever the issue is. But there are indeed other board members and we ought to go out of our way to go and engage them as much as humanly possible. Absolutely as much as is possible. And I'll give you an example where cherry picking strategies, I call it, makes perfect sense issue by issue, case by case because Europe is divided. I'm not dividing it, it is divided in a Berkean sense. That's the world I find. And I need allies. I need to go out and engage these people, but not through Brussels where there is no unit limiting. The two examples I give are Kyoto where what everyone thinks is the treaty. I think it's a horrible treaty. It will never be implemented. It will never be lived up to. No European state has remotely lived up to it. But by saying no in the way that the United States said no they actually unify the rest of the world against them. Horribly dumb manner of which to deal with the world. On missile defense, they didn't believe the Financial Times in London which said Europe is against it. And they actually went out and talked to people in Britain, Spain, all over. They sent all the dignitaries over. They listened, they engaged, they argued and in the end they won over the British, the Spanish the Italians, the Poles, the Hungarians and the Russians. Now that's not everybody in Europe but that's not no one either. And that's how the world is going to work defacto because it isn't unified. If we bothered to ask them, which we must do which is where I don't agree with the neo-cons we will always have allies. If we assume that there is unanimity against us, we won't. Or if we assume nobody matters, we won't either, but we simply must ask them. We must see the world as a more complicated place. We must still look at the national level because this is the level upon which European politics and foreign policy still reside. It makes it a lot more complicated, a lot more frustrating an issue to issue case by case approach. And the model I actually use is president Clinton's and I'll never forget this. That Clinton sitting there one day on NAFTA with all the Republicans 90% of the Republican parties for NAFTA 80% of the democratic parties against it. He engages the Republicans without annoying the Democrats. The next day healthcare is the issue where all the Democrats are with him and all the Republicans are against him. And he manages to make it work without anybody being offended. That's the price of doing business in the real world. That's beyond ideology, how we move forward. That's how we get over the conundrum of having either a veto, allowing Belgium to veto on a major security interests, which we're not about to do or saying allies don't matter. This is the sensible middle ground. And I would leave it with this operational note. I think we can all agree, and I've said to my Wilsonian colleagues, Mr. Brazinski the elder in particular, he said, do you agree John, that full NATO is best. If you can get a full multilateral institution who agree with you, is that not best in grand style? And I said, well, its back here, back on the planet earth. Yes. That is best and we ought to try to do that in a good faith effort. And I would agree that the present administration has not always done that. Do you, sir, agree if that is not possible then rather than do nothing or taking my ball and going home or being either isolationist or unilateralist or all the things that Europeans hate, a coalition of the willing within NATO, would be the next best? Well, yes. And if we can't get that, a coalition of the willing outside of NATO? Yes. And if we don't get that bilaterals with, as Claude Rains would put it, the usual suspects, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, the usual guys would that not be good? And then and only then would not unilateral action if we had primary interests, be best. Would you agree to that, sir? Yes. And I said, well, then we've cut the best of all deals because you think you've given up nothing because I'm about to make a good faith effort in NATO. And I, as a realist think I've given up nothing because I can't get full agreement in any multilateral institution. Perhaps upon that basis of that conceit though, we can actually get beyond this cartoon view that America is unilateral or multilateral, or that there's something wrong with being either of these things. And we can simply work down the decision-making tree in a way that means that we're grownups. And I would end with this point. We're in a place in Europe and a Frenchman said this to me in a typical kind of Frenchman way. The first generation after NATO were the romantics because they were the people who had been through the two Wars. Who'd seen the total destruction and knew NATO was their last best hope. And so they had an emotional even romantic attachment to the Alliance as they should. And again, I think Harry Truman was the best foreign policy president ever. I said it as a heritage foundation I have a picture of him in my office. Good realist. Second generation the French said of course, rebelled against their fathers and said, NATO is just a tool of the United States. All these things are just things created to further American domination the usual kind of European left bank wearing black. Louring at you from a cafe screen. I actually wrote that in a French newspaper. It's one of the greatest moments of my life. And they actually liked it, but they went the other way. But then in the Gallean nature of my generation, the third generation I think gets it right. My grandfather fought in the first war. My father fought in the second war. I went to Europe for eight years to chase girls. And as my father said things are looking up for the Holzman family. Don't you forget why you are where you are and he's absolutely right. We shouldn't. But we have, I think a less romantic view and a more pragmatic view of the Alliance. We must engage allies on every issue but we must not let on the other hand, the lack of consensus of our European friends and their diplomatic confusion stop us from having to deal with the problems of the world that simply don't go away. I do not have the luxury in this era to not engage the problems in the world any more than Harry Truman, Franklin Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan, General Eisenhower did. And if we can get away from the romance on both sides we might actually have a lasting relationship. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- You mentioned you're a realist and you see the world as it is. You mentioned 18 European countries, maybe even more that they are all on the side of the United States. But then you can look at the Spain, you find out the government is on the side of the United States and the people aren't. The British are just about towing their government out because the government says some things and the people think differently. The French, the government is on the same side as the people and the rest of the Europeans are the same, The Italians and the like. Even in this country that you put it solidly in one column when you looked at the country as a whole this isn't all one way of thinking from one end to the other one. How could you put these things in one column as if they are on the American side when in reality, things are totally different.\r\n\r\n- The question is, how does public opinion really play into this? And the reality is we don't elect people based on the Agora system or the Athenian democratic view. And Spain is a great example. You're quite right in everything you said. About 80 to 90% of the Spanish were against the war. They just did in a series of regional elections despite 80 to 90% of them being against the war gave the largest plurality of the people's party of prime minister Athnar, who was for the war, meaning it wasn't the only issue they voted on. It never is. It shouldn't be, we don't elect people to vote in the Agora on every single issue. We don't all go out and say what's your view on free trade on China and somehow I've a national plebiscite on it. Public opinion as a causal factor in foreign policy simply doesn't work that way. The reality is over time, if you can't explain yourself you're voted out as is right in the Republican system. But obviously prime minister Athnar in lowering unemployment from 22 to 12% and the fact that the socialists under Zapatero were very divided. And in fact, the reason the Madrid race was rerun was the two socialists actually deserted this party and joined with the popular party of Athnar. They voted on these other issues, which in the end the people in Spain decided were more important than the vote on the war in Iraq. And that's the reality of the world. And the one area I would quibble with is Blair. And this is another great example. Tony Blair is not going to be thrown out by anybody. I deal with British politics and I lived there for 10 years. That's the point? You've got to beat somebody with somebody. Yes, this has gravely wounded him I entirely agree with you. Who's going to beat him, the Tories? I work with the Tories. Trust me, they're not about to beat anybody, okay? There's that. And by the way, they're pro war. They're there with the Americans too so even if they did it, wouldn't matter. The liberal parties, the punchline to a joke it's got 23% of the populous behind it. They're not going to beat anybody. The only alternative to Tony Blair that is against the war the left wing of the Labor Party was scared of the horses. There's no way middle England is going to vote for the left wing of the Labor Party which is why Tony Blair got picked in the first place because he's not a standard Labor guy. He's more like a Gladstinian liberal from the empire days about 1880, which is why middle England like him and paradoxically why his own party don't. But the one thing his party do like is winning. They like winning a lot and nobody yet can beat him. Gordon Brown who would be the only alternative is his good friend and there's a Shakespearian story that needs writing. The Blair Brown relationship with betrayal, friendship, you got everything there. But the reality is Brown is probably more pro-American than Blair is. He spends his holidays on Cape Cod. Blair goes to Tuscany. Brown is an economist and talks about the dynamism of the American economy. And the best bet is always to be more with America. So there simply isn't a replacement based upon that worldview. And I think that's how I want us to look at foreign policy. We don't have a knee jerk view that people are for or against something like we read a football score. It just doesn't work that way. It filters down. Now, if over time every single thing Athnar does is anti public opinion he'll be booted out, but obviously he did enough so that he could take the stand that was based upon national interest. He see sawed, and simply ignore the populace. To end this, I might add Harry Truman did over the Marshall plan which never had 50% approval. NATO formation never had 50% approval. I can go through the list. There are plenty of things the American government's done. Franklin Roosevelt getting us into the second war. The neutrality acts being done with. Woodrow Wilson entering the first war. None of these things ever had majority opinion. We actually picked people to lead in a Republican system and then make them explain themselves to the rest of us as you guys are doing rightly in the Iowa caucuses. And if they don't explain themselves, you boot them out but we don't vote issue by issue which is precisely why the governments of Europe chose to do a different thing in their populace because they understand the power relations, I think better.\r\n\r\n- How wise it it for NATO is engage in this Baltic to the Black Sea program that would include all these new governments that are markedly less stable and maybe have different internal policy and international policy goals than say, the traditional NATO names.\r\n\r\n- The question is basically is the new round of enlargement a good thing for their cohesion of NATO. And we sure went around about this. I remember in the end, I came down for being for the seven for the big enlargement but I spent a lot of time in Romania. And you go to Romania and never have a people been so really horribly done by, I mean, they've endured Hitler, Stalin and Ceausescu back to back. And you go two blocks in any direction from the Capitol and you are in squalor beyond what I can describe to you. And to say that this is a free market economy ready for NATO. You gulp a few times, go out in the balcony and say, do I really mean this? Can I really do this? So I have to kill myself in the morning. In the end though, I think it was worth doing. And that was the debate by the way, that really was going on before the NATO vote amongst a lot of us. There has to be an end of the Alliance. If you take everybody into the Alliance, it becomes the U N i.e., it's incoherent. Doesn't work. There has to be a limit, but on the other hand you don't want to limit Europe. You don't want to draw an artificial line not letting people in. They then may fall back into even further squalor. NATO taking in Greece, Turkey and Portugal are the three great examples I can think of all of which have done better for all the problems we've had in dealing with all three. And trust me, I have jars of aspirin at home with all their names on them. Like particularly the grapes. I love the grapes but they are indeed the French and the Aegean. And I love them, but I just pop an aspirin a day on them. But undoubtedly, then being in NATO having to adopt the rules that were within NATO made them liberalize their economies because they could blame it on us. Well, these are the roles of being in, not us. It's the Washington guys doing it. That's good. I can deal with that blame. That's fine. Turkey for all, that's a very difficult relationship in a lot of ways. Certainly having them in we could talk to them about human rights. We don't always win, but we don't always lose. And I think that's worth doing. Portugal has been a great success from this, the crypto fascist regime of Salazar to now, there is no doubt that Portugal has been a great success. And being at NATO they would say is a major reason that's certainly the view of the Portuguese. So there was that view. And then there was the secondary view that let's look at these new members. These are people who are much more likely to be pro-American than the old members. The dirty secret of NATO right now is the old allies with the problem. The new allies are with us. If you're a Pole, as one of their former foreign ministers said to me. If you're a highway between Russia and Germany you don't care that they're nice this week. You care about your 500 year history of them not being nice. We don't care about the European security guarantee. We care about the American guarantee and we will do whatever it takes for you to see us as a reciprocal partner. And that tends to be the view that you run into for their own national interests which makes perfect sense to be more pro-American. They are fearful of being dominated as they were by Moscow or as they were by Berlin. And they fear Brussels now dominating them as well. And so they tend to be fairly ready allies. And in fact, during the Iraq crisis, the very argument that the discussion we're having went out the window. I mean, we were ready to storm the battlements. We all had speeches written of those you need to do this to Congress. The end vote was 98 - 0. The easiest we have ever had. I mean, we spent years worrying about this and in the end it was anticlimactic except for those countries because they proved that politically they were allies. They also proved to be important strategically. If you think about where the problems are going to be that NATO's going to have to deal with, right? They're going to be in the caucuses the Middle East, Iraq and North Africa. Around that arc as Mr. Brezinski would put it of instability. You want to have more troops, more near that problem so that you have more people deployable to deal with it on a quicker notice. Those countries may not have money. They may not have military wherewithal but you know what they do have, they have bases. And they're willing to give us those bases at an incredibly cut rate price to be nearer to these problems. And that was another argument in favor of them doing. And so at the end, this hesitation I think went out the window. I do think though, that your question is very well founded. I think if there is a next round of enlargement it will probably not be further East. I wouldn't want to see Ukraine at NATO. I can say that. Or Belarus or Russia, God forbid. And I deal with the Russians all the time, but we're not ready for that. Maybe Croatia, you know, we can fill in the blanks that way. But I think that we do at some point have to decide how much is enough, because we want this organization to continue to function coherently. NATO actually works. Okay? It's not the O I C E. It's not the council on Europe. It actually functions and we want to keep it coherent. And so there has to be a limit.\r\n\r\n- You said you would take a more wide range of questions. 10 years ago there were two unsolvable problems with Israelis and Palestinians in Israel and there was also the Catholics and the Protestants in Northern Ireland. One of those situations looked like it's bringing forth peace and stability and the other retains all the characteristics of war. But why are they different, and why is one unsolvable and the other one appears unable to be solved?\r\n\r\n- Before I answer this, are we on or off the record?\r\n\r\n- Off?\r\n\r\n- Off.\r\n\r\n- Maybe you'll get a real answer then. Okay, good. When we don't know what to say in answer to a question we say it comes down to leadership in Washington. But I actually think it kind of does in this case. Structurally, the differences are there too. The key difference in the Irish one and I went to university in Scotland and spent an awful lot of time thinking about the Northern Ireland situation and still do with my friend, Richard Hasu, and for his sins is tasked with dealing with that. The key change is Ireland. Ireland was a third world, agrarian economy not very long ago, about 15 years ago. It is now a first world economy with 97% of the GDP of the United States. And joining Ireland, all of a sudden sounds like a whole lot better deal than it did 15 years ago if you're fairly moderate on these issues. The other change is that regardless of who's in power and it was true under John Bruton, with Fine Gael and now under Fianna Fail with Berti Ahern. 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And so if we can just hold the bloodshed, and maintain some sort of dialogue with these guys, over time, we're gonna get what we want. There'll be some sort of canonization, a confederal approach with a lot of safeguards for the Protestants. But joining Ireland looks like a good bet, if we can just limp along, we get there. On the other hand, David Trimble, who I know very well from the Ulster Unionist Party might not disagree in the long run with that. But would say we need to safeguard every possible interest we can. Well, these differences are now narrowed to the point they can get in the room and actually talk about them. And for all that it breaks down, nobody talks about going against the Good Friday Agreement. The basic outline is there, which makes perfect sense. This canonization, very loose government run from Dublin there a lot of safeguards for the Protestants over time, and a booming economy that's tied in between Ireland the UK and this region makes perfect sense. The problem in the middle East is, and I hope we're off the record, in total dearth of leadership from everybody. Never have a people been as badly led as the Palestinians. It is heartbreaking. 48, 56, 67, 73 and 80 Arafat got it wrong. That's not to quote him urging his people to be thrilled when the United States was attacked by Saddam. Which by the way didn't do them a whole lot of good in Washington. If he told me to go left, I'd go right. If he gave me a quarter, I'd be deeply suspicious. Geo-strategically he has been a disaster for his long suffering people. On the other hand, I seriously question whether Prime Minister Sharon is serious about land for peace. We all know the deal, the deal's land for peace. The one thing the Sharon people say that sticks in my head, it's hard to argue. Is look, it's land for peace. We're giving up some land, we're not getting peace. If we don't get peace, we can't sell any deal with Israel Republic. And by the way, the Wye River agreement with Clinton would never have passed a referendum in Israel. We can't push people beyond what they themselves can reach agreement on. We can't make the agreement. You know, I was on the plane today coming here and there was a quote in my magazine from T.E Lawrence who said, \"Let them do things imperfectly, rather than you doing things perfectly. Because it's their country, their nation, and your time is short.\" The reality is they must make peace together with us facilitating any piece we impose as a dictate, one side or the other we'll disavow very, very quickly when it doesn't suit them and we'll be absolutely back where we started. Speaking bluntly the only hope I think is a change in generation. I think that people like Mr. Barghouti and Mr. Darlen are pragmatists, and I mentioned, I'll use the Irish example. Michael Collins is the relevant thing, meaning he'll cut a deal that's a non utopian deal, and then his life won't be worth very much. but I think he's willing to do it. I know people who know Mr. Barghouti and Mr. Darlen, and I think they're ready to cut the deal. Barghouti spent most of his adult life in Israeli jails. He speaks Hebrew. He knows the Israelis. He understands the limitations of the Palestinian situation and then he's not prepared to sell them out and is a hero of the First Intifada. You know, you're not gonna get better than that, looking at a list, I wouldn't do better. And a lot of the people who were gathered around Rabin the younger people, Lieutenant Colonel have a very similar attitude to Rabin. We simply can't kill every one of the Arab world we don't wanna have a forced war for the rest of our existence. It's not healthy for the state of Israel. Let's cut a deal based upon the best deal we can get from our position of strength now. That strikes me as a very hopeful beginning position from which to talk. But that's simply gonna take us really limping along. I don't blame the Americans here ultimately until they can cut a deal between them based on their own national interests, whether we're involved or not involved, don't flatter ourselves. The reality is they must cut the deal, not us. Now, do we need to be ready to move forward with that deal? We do. And has the Bush administration been too warm and too cold at the same time at various points? I think they have. But I also think President Clinton got it wrong by trying to force the deal to win the Nobel Peace Prize when frankly, the Israel Republic. And I'm not sure the Palestinian Republic either would've accepted that deal. We can't push them too far but we can't just sit back either. And that's the tight rope we're walking.\r\n\r\n- [Participant] The debate emerged and now seems to be centered with a realist in the neo-cons perspective. Who represents the internationalist perspective politically and how relevant is their belief structure right now?\r\n\r\n- [Narrator] Question is kind of inside baseball in Washington. And you're right to ask it. I think actually now is a really interesting time, I don't believe that we have this monolithic or static view they are two, and we're off the record. There are two basic arguments going on in Washington that are really interesting. One is by internationalist Wilsonian is to what branch of Wilsonianism they end up espousing. Meaning do they adopt the Clinton Holbrook tougher edged still learning international consensus but not afraid to use force to further American international norms approach or do they adopt more some of the things Governor Dean said more than McGovernite approach were deeply suspicious of American force being used for national interests. And that's what the primaries are really adds proof. I mean, that's why they're whoever wins the election. How that works out within the democratic kind of grouping, I think its fascinating. And my friends, let's remember the vote for President Bush one hit a rock split right down the middle 25 democratic senators were with the president, 25 were against him. And that's an amazingly interesting thing. They are divided on the use of force to do this and lots of other things. And so that battle over which form of Wilsonian is some harder edge version or the softer edge version is really going on right now, nobody's won yet, which is what makes it interesting nobody ever really wins. I mean, it ebbs and it flows, but nothing's going on. You rightly mentioned the debate between realists and neo-cons. And again, as we're off the record, I will speak as a very frustrated realist. We're losing. The fact that I'm writing articles and doing TV spots on realism is a disaster. No offense to me at all. I'm not James Baker. I'm not Scowcroft. They should be the ones doing it. They're realists the same as I they have exactly the same concerns I do but they're loyal to Bush one. And this is the difference. This president is more like Ronald Reagan, than he's like his father, every realist. I include myself, got that wrong by the way, its only Wilsonians, everybody got that wrong. And his instincts are more there in a reshuffle. If president Bush were to win the inside baseball in Washington at the moment would say, you'd get somebody like Connie Rice at state who would do keep her eye on the Wilsonians at state my friends. The Wilsonians at state but they wouldn't matter, state doesn't really matter. The NSC, National Security Council, which should probably be run by Paul Wolfowitz, the Wolf man who is the critical neo-con. He's both the doer and the thinker. Paul could talk to Kagan and Kristol and the intellectuals of neoconservatism and he can talk to people like Cheney and Rumsfeld. He like Brzenski, like Kissinger does both things. That's really unique, very rare. And that's why Paul is so important 'cause he's so able frankly. But if Paul gets to NSC, Connie does the president's bidding at state. Rumsfeld who isn't a neo-con but the guys are under him are stay there. Cheney isn't a neo-con but the young guys under him are. You now have neo-cons dominating all four of the decision-making structures there. And then as a realist, then I have to consider who I work for. So I'm pretty gloomy about that at the moment. The good news is, well, the good news, the good news is there's bad news. The good news is like an Anaconda that ate a very large rodent, The neo-cons are having a real hard time digesting Iraq and the neo-cons don't have permanence institutionally in the same way Wilsonians and realists do. And by that I mean, whoever's president state department tends to be a Wilsonian at the basic desk level. The guys who joined the state department, either through self-selection or why you'd wanna join in the first place, you know, either way tend to be Wilsonian the armed services chiefs at the defense department tend to be realist, whatever, you know, whether they do that, or they're inculcated with those values they tend to be there. So they have permanence. And in Congress, both of those groups have a lot of senators and congressmen who instinctively are there. So whatever happens they'll still be around for the next round. The neo-cons don't have that. They don't have that institutional permanence. There are a very small group of people at the top. And so like a drunken gambler in Vegas and this quote got me into trouble, they have to keep winning and they keep doubling down and eventually they're gonna lose. I don't care where, what, how there nobody's that good at what we do. It's an art, it's not a science. They're gonna make a mistake. And if they make a mistake, we all have to clean up the mess, and that that's what concerns me. But at the moment, the only way to get permanence is to be successful bureaucratically long enough, to put their people in positions all the way down to the mid levels where things get done so that when they're out, they're still there and the next time they can come back, if then can, they know this, by the way, they're very bright about it. If they can do this, then they've really changed American foreign policy. Its the first new school of thought I don't know in a Wilson Woodrow, at least. So that would be a big thing. On the other hand, they're not there yet. Iraq is going badly, which means guys like me can write nasty pieces, on the side about them and say things about them. And I have the audits conferences with my new found Wilsonian friends who've discovered a common enemy, and they're not there yet. And so that's really where behind the scenes this really does matter how Iraq, Al Qaeda, North Korea play out, is much more important than even those really important issues, because it's gonna determine where the Truman stage as to where we go for the really the new era there is no yet defining principle there and we're fighting it out like crazy but that won't last much longer. So in a way, it's the best possible time to be alive when everything you knew before was wrong.\r\n\r\n- [Participant] I have a comment and two questions. You said before in Europe there's a foreign policy today and coming from Europe, I just I'm, my comment is I think today in Europe people don't see anymore the world divided as good and evil. There is a foreign policy, but we don't see it this way. This was meant for men and my second, but I have two questions. Do you think the American government as a mediator in the middle East process, is taking side or not, and if not, why it never the American government condemns Israel in any place. And the second question is, Europe is asking for international force to go to the middle East and separate them until we get to this process. And the United States always oppose this sending of international troops. So why there's a foreign policy?\r\n\r\n- [Narrator] Well, there's not, it depends on which European government you talk to. If you ask about separating the, and we'll use your example separating the Arab Israeli conflict, Palestinians realists the Germans would never agree to that for obvious historical reasons. The French would entirely agree with what you're saying. The Spanish would not agree with it, the British probably would, but I'm not sure about that. The Eastern Europeans would probably have no opinion. You see the variegation of opinion. There is not a European position generally. Where you're right, is that Europeans tend to be more pro-Palestinian than the United States. And by the way, I think this is good because we can probably leverage things better that way meaning in a quartet with the United States, vaguely European positions, not the same, but verigated on that scale, the Palestinians and Israelis, what happens? The Palestinians get a lot of their funding from the Europeans. I think that's good. I mean I think it's good. It means they have leverage. That means that they can talk to them as the honest interlocutor, right? as the United States can with the Israeli. So if the United States and the Europeans can coordinate a position it will be far more likely to be successful than if we all agreed on the same position, by the way, this is also true in North Korea and Iran we can good cop, bad cop things a lot. And we actually do behind the scenes lots more than people know beyond the theater of all this, there's an awful lot of good cop, bad cop and you can deal with us in soft power, big hug or you can deal with the crazy Americans. They're like Salih does that all the time to great effect. So, I do think there's some coordination. Why does the United States side with Israel to your point? Well, I turned it around. I mean, I think the poll numbers that came out from Europe this week were terrible. The number one threat the Europeans see in the world is Israel. That's the good news 'cause we're number two we're tied with North Korea and Iran I believe it was a very close race, but when I hear stuff like this I think the phrase not serious and and distract my shoulders. That's a nice position to hold to if you're sitting in a cafe. But that's not gonna win you into negotiations with the Israelis, forget the United States, the Israelis look at this and say, aha! this is everything we fear about Europe. And then you get back to a position where the Europeans aren't seen as an honest broker I want the Europeans to be an honest broker. We need the Europeans to be an honest broker there. I think the Europeans mentioned that I have a very strong sense of good and evil. I just don't like who they see as good and evil. This notion that the Europeans don't have a notion of cultural superiority, a critique about say notions of force multilateral institutions, the role the UN should play. The role trade should play, how to manage an economy, I'm just getting going, I could continue. And is not a philosophical point of view, as well as some of the American point of view is simply not true. They are just different points of view. I'd had one other factor in which is power during the 18th century, when the United States was a small Republic what did it try to do? It tried to do multilateral deals with the British Navy. Well, why do you think we did that? They had all the power, the Monroe Doctrine, who made that bold statement stick for a hundred years? The American Navy don't waste my time the British Navy did we wanted to enter into any international agreement we could with a big power as a little apportion we wanted to tie Gulliver up in any way we could. That doesn't offend me. That's what small States do or medium-sized powers do when confronted with large powers right? That's perfectly normal. Yeah. And I'm like a neo-con I'm not morally outraged by that. I do the same thing. And if I'm dumb enough to fall for it, more power to the king. Okay? But let's not pretend power is not a fundamental element of what's going on here. You don't wanna talk about power, if you don't have any the United States under Alexander Hamilton didn't talk about power, they talked about international law. Okay. Why? They were a small state come on I've come a long way questions?\r\n\r\n- [Participant] You talked about Europe and their military spending and their defensive budgets and stuff like that because they're not growing in that way, that hole may not form, do you see our foreign policy maybe taking more of a focus to the Eastern hemisphere like China and other countries may develop the ability to protect the force beyond their own borders later on.\r\n\r\n- [Narrator] Well, I do, but in a bad way, I mean, I think the question is, are we gonna turn to Asia 'cause Europe isn't doing what we might like it to. You know, it depends on how you measure it. But I think no, a lot of things do matter. Still Europe is easily the largest foreign direct investor in the United States. And we are in Europe and in the age of globalization, that's what matters. Who owns what? Now those numbers are skewed, meaning the British and the Irish are overwhelmingly the largest two. Okay? Germany, it's not equal across the board but at least with Britain and Ireland that's gonna remain a fundamental relationship in the rest of my lifetime because we have common habits of commerce, we have common habits with the Brits of doing business around the world, and that remains the kind of central bilateral relationship we're gonna have. China, I think will matter in the sense that it's very difficult to see our interests not lining up badly with them. The Chinese now are nationalists largely Deng Xiaoping was kind of the watershed there and just decided I'm gonna jump on this capitalist freight train. Why? 'cause it's working. And I might get back the things I want, which he largely did. And he's perfectly reasonable policy. And as a result, China's now looking at Taiwan with somewhat covetous eyes and you wonder about China beginning to throw its weight around. China wants to be the regional power, they make that very clear. We don't really want them to be the regional power we want us to be the regional power. So something's gotta give, to quote the great Cole Porter. And, I think that's the problem that it just doesn't line up well. So I think we're gonna have to spend more time thinking about that. And even worse than Europe in Europe at least we have a multilateral series of institutions where we work together. We don't in Asia, largely I would argue because the Japanese never fessed up to World War II in the same way the Germans did. Talk to an Asian about Japanese textbooks, there's an hour long discussion about to follow because they simply haven't acknowledged what went on there, meaning many people in Asia still are scared spitless of the Japanese people like the South Koreans their allies come to me with dark secrets and part of this is that their failure to do that. Whereas I think the Germans more kind of brave open approach allow those multilateral institutions to form setting up bilateral institutions to deal with the Chinese is a huge problem of South Korea for instance, on North Korea simply wishes this problem went away, buries their head in the sand and has any American demonstrations which isn't helpful to put it mildly at the moment. The Japanese, again, they're economically in terrible shape. Australia is an awfully long way away, although they're the Britain of the area, they're a long way away. Don't happen that the people to make that work. Indonesia is barely a country, India we have to do more with but we have cold war animosities to deal with. Pakistan is a total nightmare. I, you know, Pakistan on Al Qaeda. I've studied and I there's a headache bottle for that. Right? Because it just so many ways it can go wrong. I mean, you know, you pick the one. So I think Asia, because things will go wrong, We'll probably be more of a point. And I can't believe I'm saying this but I kind of agree with Ron Asmus, my buddy at the German Marshall Fund, who sees only piece and light in Europe. But Ron's right in the sense that there are problems in Europe over a different caliber and I would agree with that. They're not about warranties around Israel though, I think he didn't say it that elegantly.\r\n\r\n- [Participant] Yeah a sort of a follow up is that it's like, do you see another power, like Japan planning independently creeping you create that mental blocks, sort of at the moment self-esteem I would say.\r\n\r\n- [Narrator] No the question was can Japan kinda block China? No, I think India though, playing India in is key because what you wanna do I've never understood China scholars who say China you know, talk about a place we know nothing about when you go to conferences, either here they're gonna challenge us and next week, or they're gonna fall apart and that's on the same panel. It means none of us know what we're talking about this just by definition, we don't know what we're talking about. China is the biggest example of none of us knowing what we're talking about. But so humility saying that I can like go ahead anyway, which is what they pay me, the huge bucks to do. You do both. You, say we're gonna try to engage China through the WTO process in a rule-based system whereby they benefit enough that they don't become a rival power but they see the benefits of going along with the system as is they become a status quo power. So you help them economically in every possible way you can. At the same time you make the failure to go be a status quo, power so onerous that they don't do it, and the smart play there as what. You've got the Japanese for what they're worth which is some, you've got the South Koreans. You've got the Aussies always as Butch to our Sundance out there. You now play in India. India is the one big state has a billion people, it's a democracy. It's growing at a reasonable rate at the moment. Okay? 5 to 7% real growth, as a balancing power I mean, it's often been a foil to China throughout history. And without saying anything about China, the more you do with India, suddenly the Chinese military look at things and say, bygone, we're surrounded by powers that are generally friendly to the United States. Maybe we don't wanna go off the reservation. Maybe that's a mistake, so you do both. You try to win them over with the cohorts. And at the same time, I think India is the play. And the Clinton guys got that right at the end at the very end of the administration, when you know, all the silly stuff was over he finally said, well, geo-strategically what should I be doing? And president Clinton being a very bright guy gets this right early Bush to the early Bush comments before Al Qaeda. They talked a lot about playing India, and then of course that became very much secondary news but I think in the medium term, that's exactly the play. If you play the India card, you make things much harder for the Chinese to break out from that. And we want the Chinese to make a good decision, so let's make sure they do that. Come on one for the road, long flight home.\r\n\r\n- [Participant] So talking about India, do you subscribe to the idea of like a Anglosphere\r\n\r\n- [Narrator] Hell no God, the Anglosphere, question was, do I subscribe to the Anglosphere? I know all those guys. So I, The Heritage Foundation does an index of economic freedom every year that I'm kinda tangentially involved in. So I can say nice things about it 'cause it's not really my gig, but one of the things it's very interesting when they rank openness of economies and you can argue about the numbers and the way they rank it. But it, frankly, isn't very different than the Fraser index which is the Cato index or the Brookings index. They're all relatively the same, there are a few differences, but not on this question. And last year, eight of the freest colonies have permeated the freest nations were colonies of a ninth. Something's going on here, we were all colonies of the UK. We all have rule of law, we all have individual liberty, we all have transparency, we have the ability, I mean, I love when you read like Edward, the third getting sued by some guy who's cow got run over and winning the suit and Edward having to pay up. Well that doesn't happen in the rest of the world, you're boiled in oil, If you're, it was Pakistan away, that was yesterday. But it's a very different kind of way of looking at the world now where the Anglosphere I think goes wrong is India because it has all these other traditions and historic, or again as a good Berkaine I believe in organic historical traditions that also intermingle in a very different way than they do in Australia, United States, et cetera. So if you look at the openness of the Indian economy, it's pretty poor actually, I actually favor a global free trade association which would be inclusive to anybody. Just set certain standards, If WTO doesn't work, set a numerical standard, it's not negotiable. And anybody who qualifies for it is in. I don't care where you're from, I don't care what historical background you're in, you're in. If you buy free trade, you mean what I mean, and we can free up the movement of capital, we can set common accounting standards, we can lower hidden tariffs, 'cause tariff rates are historically quite low. When you do those three things, those countries would all do better, so then everybody would say, I wanna join this club, so they in turn would liberalize their economies to join the club, using the cohort by being inclusive. Is there, when I hear these guys, I think Cloverleaf Society, I think 1903. And by the way, I have friends who are probably members. And I think that they're onto something that yes if I still have very inclusive, most of the countries that get involved will indeed be from this historical tradition. An interesting one is by Iran, which would qualify for my global free trade area. And it's because its background, but it's in, Botswana's in by the way Chile's in and it was member Bernardo O'Higgins, you know, again, Switzerland's in, but they set up their constitution based on the American one in 1789. So they're all kinds of funny reasons, and I wouldn't wanna limit anybody, because the point is we want the world to adopt a more liberalized system so people do better everywhere. I think they're onto something, but I think we can broaden it with some vision. But I do think that the openness is a key factor and that actually we ought to use the cohort and creativity than more than the stick\r\n\r\n- [Narrator] Very enlightening presentation I think. I just wanna remind you, we have a reception. Do you have any extra questions or something it's actually over in that side so feel free. 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