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In a minute I'll introduce Roland Polak, who'll introduce your speaker to you. We have two more talks today. At four o'clock Janice Jiggins, we'll talk about women's knowledge and how that ties in with international development. And then at eight tonight, we'll have Neils rolling talk about indigenous knowledge and international development especially as it relates to extension. This noon hour, we've got the pleasure of having our newest member of the C card external advisory board, somebody I met out in California last December in meetings at university of Southern California. And he'll be introduced by Roland Polak. Some of you have met him. He's a graduate student doing a double major in soil science and development anthropology, and is working with Dr. Sandor on indigenous Zuni soil management systems down in the Southwest, Roland.\r\n\r\n- Good afternoon. Welcome to the fourth lecture of the C card series. It's my pleasure and honor to introduce our next guest speaker. Dr. Richard Murphy has been with the Cousteau society for many years and currently holds the position of vice president of science and education of Cousteau society, director of project Ocean Search a Cousteau society field study program which has programs in some very interesting places around the world. And expedition coordinator for the societies, Papua new Guinea and Australia expeditions though I think those suspicions are over . Murphy holds degrees in zoology, biology and a PhD in Marine Ecology from the university of Southern California. Though we all know the Cousteau society for its role in educating us in a wonderful way about the world's beautiful and diverse ecosystems. The society is also today really involved in the critical topic of human ecology and development issue. Dr. Murphy, a scientist and ecologist has had the job of both researching subjects of social ecological importance in the areas of Cousteau expeditions and providing guidance for the sustainable development of natural resources in those areas. In his capacity, he has done work in the Amazon Papua New Guinea, Thailand and regions of Mexico. Dr. Murphy is also interested in environmental education both here and abroad. Two of the projects include, designing cartoon books from environmental education in developing countries and teaching an environmental education film study program here. Besides publishing many scientific articles and giving presentations in the area of his Marine research which is, systems ecology and benthic community metabolism, he has also written what I consider provocative popular articles, including the title \"creating ambassadors of the environment\" \"A Royal commitment to sustainable development\" \"Cosmic, ecology and Aboriginal view of the world. Please join me in warmly, welcoming to ISU Dr. Richard Murphy.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much. It's an honor to be here and I appreciate the opportunity to interact and learn. I see my experiences here has been very much more educational than educational as an input rather than educational as a real contribution to the wonderful C card program. Both the Cousteau is have become more and more interested and of course put greater and greater value on indigenous knowledge. As we travel more and more and learn that there was knowledge systems, are of course the means by which people utilize resources much more sustainably then of course, are the Western approaches that have been imposed on a lot of these systems. Since I've been built at least yesterday as a guy that just came back from a swimming with great white sharks, which was a few weeks ago in Australia. I think I'll begin the slides with some underwater stuff which makes the divers happy. And then we can go onto maybe more serious things about the subject at hand, which primarily is looking at existing resource development strategies that we are exposed to on expedition. And then asking the question, is this sustainable? And if not, what alternatives might we suggest or offer? And although we're not experts in all of these fields one of the reasons I am here and one of the reasons I think that C card is so important is that we as those sort of vagabonds of the planet have an opportunity to make some real links and some connections between local people, whether it's in the official governmental system or whether it's at the provincial and village levels, where we can say, Mike Warren's got some really good stuff here and you really ought to be interfacing with them and some of the other groups that you're working with. So I see us as being sort of networkers and multipliers much more than problem solvers. Also though having had the perspective of traveling as our teams have and as the Cousteau's themselves have I think we probably take a, I guess in terms of the tradition a very non-American approach to development and the value of resources in some of these other parts of the world. So let's look at some pretty pictures and then we'll get into some other subjects. Maybe, if somebody could grab the lights As you know, the Cousteau's have their logo in a sense of Calypso that was acquired in the fifties. It was a gift from a British gentlemen that offered it to captain Cousteau as a means of giving him more mobility to explore. In those days, Cousteau was not at all in environmentalist they were spearing fish and exploring and just like any guys out in a new place having a great time doing some science. Primarily the focus was on Marine geology. Looking at areas where pipelines were going to be laid, doing some benthic surveys, sub bottom profiling and the Red Sea which eventually found that there was a correlation between salt domes and petroleum and some of their first surveys were what led to the real development of oil in the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. So as the ship traveling around that sort of entree into documenting underwater your ideology and wanting to go deeper eventually he began captain Cousteau on the right. Began working with with Harold Edgerton on the left, the inventor of the stroboscopic flash that we all depend on now. And went out to photograph the deepest regions of the sea in the middle of the Atlantic to gain more mobility at greater depths, came the development of the scuba, diving saucer that could go down to a thousand feet and extend further the ability to explore, document and take divers to other other regions. The next question then is, okay, if you're in encapsulated atmospheric pressure, you can go deep but you really can't do much work because you're inside a steel casing. What are the limits of human physiology? How deep can we go? How long can we stay there? What are the longer term effects on our own physiology from living under pressure? So there was the conch shell one, went down to basically 30 feet per seven days in 1959. 1960 Wisconsin shell two, which was a real habitat. Guys stayed down there for two weeks after about 30 feet excursions down to 200 feet. And to us today, that sounds like nothing. But if nobody had ever gone that before it's a little scary. And of course, very interesting in terms of diving technology. And finally went down to over 300 feet for three weeks which was real serious, deep diving, very long decompressions, very cold, dark, and making a film of this expedition as well as the previous one got Cousteau still into working with national geographic making documentary films like the \"silent world\" and \"the living sea\" which won Oscars. And so he became much more launched into communicating having come home to the Mediterranean after exploring Red Sea and some of these other regions and having seen home change in terms of a lower diversity of Marine life, water was not as clear, not as productive. The seagrass beds, which act of course like grasses, anywhere nurturing the entire ecosystem as they decline, the whole system was declining and he became more and more concerned about the environment. So it wasn't, let's go save the planet and it was rather look, what's happening in that back yard. Let's start asking some questions about what's going on and then came the environmental ethic and the concern primarily with the ocean. But of course the rivers are the roots of the ocean and what could take them to down rivers is a reflection of what took place on land. So Cousteau, again, was forced just through the dynamics of the biosphere or the ecological processes to become more than just an ocean guy taking pretty pictures but to be concerned about different regions. And of course, as we look at ecosystem diversity . So now they're becoming great and greater consensus to look at the value of culture and indigenous knowledge. Also as information embodied in a system that has great value that has been accumulated over time. So with the increasing petroleum prices we developed this wind ship, those turbo sales, those cylinders act like wings of an airplane. It's an air foil and maybe later if somebody cares we can talk about that. But anyway, with these two ships the Cousteau's then have two platforms to go and explore. Explore and make movies, ask questions, to try to get more involved in public education. From the Antarctic and diving under the ice that they were doing in the seventies to what is more closely in the subject of what I'd like to talk about today, the Amazon. So I was part of the group that walked up to the top of this mountain, 18,500 feet mountain. And that's where we began our Amazon expedition. So on one hand, you throw a snowball on one side it ends up 4,000 miles later in the Atlantic. The other about 200 miles, you go off into the Pacific and from that walking and following the river documenting its origins and the lives of people as they depend upon and effect that river, we came down below the rapids and the steepest part of the Andes into the sort of transition zone and into the Amazon basin and had this about a 20 foot inflatable boat. So there were seven of us that lived on that for about three weeks as we continue to come down. And that was really my first real experience with indigenous people out there living in the landscape. And I was profoundly affected. And as an ecologist, primarily looking at biology and all those wonderful ecological processes and genetic diversity in the landscape and the Amazon forest, I started assimilating and coming to appreciate the role of people, indigenous people in that system. So as we followed the river down, exploring and filming we came upon all kinds of great things. You've probably seen some of the movies and looked at the books, Anaconda snake swimming around very interesting, very docile. I mean, this one didn't attack us until it was just unbelievably provoked. But when it finally went and did bite the lens of my camera just scared the life out of me. And Amazon river dolphins, these are threatened not really endangered, but very interesting. And I spent about 18 hours in the water with this animal over a period of two days. During that process of completely wild animal that had never, I presume interacted with the human by the end of that 18 hour period, it would come up and seek my attention, it loved to have its belly rubbed, it would arch its back or bend over and create wrinkles. Just love to be scratched would come up and bump me. And here's this wild animal. And just in that period of time had a great couple of great self portraits. I put my arm around, hold the cameras up. And we were great buddies. It was really fun. And eventually we're looking physiology respiration rates, bunch of other things and then let it go. I guess maybe others, I had imagined the trans Amazon highway to be a little nicer than It really was. I lived for another two weeks in one of these trucks and it was just hell. And even after, only three years after certain parts of it had been built. The erosion from the side with the amount of rainfall, no paving, Erosion from the base of this was eating into this poor highway to the point where there would be wooden planks across certain parts of it. At this time, I'm sure certain parts of it completely eroded, unbelievable investment to maintain something like that. So came our first exposure to development in the Amazon. And then we came upon Jari. And the plantation was originally started by Daniel Ludwig. And it was the largest singly owned tract of land in the world at that time. And as I came back from that part of the expedition I realized what, appreciated what Cousteau had said to me, when we began the expedition, he said \"Murphy's forget saving the Amazon. 'We're a small organization \"and there's not much we're gonna do. \"So get it out of your head to protect everything. \"The best we can do is try to roll up our sleeves \"and work with the people who are struggling \"to make decisions who are already in motion \"and they're going to be developing these resources \"whether we like it or not. \"But maybe we can direct them a little bit \"to the conservation side. \"Maybe we can change some of the programs slightly. \"But instead of going to war with them, \"let's work with them.\" So having had some of those observations I came back and began looking into what are some of those resource allocation methodologies to evaluate resources? How do people go about quantifying natural resources? And my criteria is an ecologists where it's gotta be scientific. It ought to be reasonably objective. It ought to be quantifiable. And it ought to give us an opportunity to evaluate two alternative strategies and make a decision and say, oh, the bottom line at the tally says, that one's better. And of course the objective from our point of view is sustainability. So having looked around, being an ecologist This guy on the left is Dr. H.T Odum. And basically his approach... There are two Odum's. The younger brother is P.P Odum, if principles of ecology. And this guy is much more of a wild man, Cousteau was a wild man. So they got along just fine. For me I was trying to get Cousteau and Odum together and you never really know if two people who have very strong opinions and have a reasonably good track record of making things happen kept together, they may just go to war, may not work out at all. So anyway, I'll get back to some of the dynamics between the two. So anyway, look taking Odum's approach of using energy as a common denominator, maybe you can focus again. Basically his background was meteorology then got into looking at at sort of global processes, then very much got into agriculture working in Florida and North Carolina. And then from that into all this sort of spacey ecology stuff using energy as a common denominator to try to make the connection between humanity and nature. So I'll just kind of briefly review the fundamentals of that approach and then look how we have tried to apply that approach to certain specific situations. I think we would all agree that nature, the planet is a solar powered system, through the photosynthetic process, through the heating of the oceans, the differential temperature of air and the circulation of that We get weather oceanic current and of course the productivity of life and ecosystems creating in the tropics, these wonderfully rich, highly diverse very productive systems that are beneficial to humans. And of course, if we take that same analogy and one of the questions has been well, does that happen applied to the human ecosystems as well? Well, if you look out there in the landscape, sure. Humans are solar powered things. We're collecting and concentrating that energy, not only in the food we eat, but collecting resources from the landscape and generally the resources that embody or have had more energy invested into them are more valuable. We see that in older trees and higher genetic diversity ecosystem in knowledge systems that have been developed and inquired over generations. Those are very valuable things. And basically we can bring them down to an energy basis. But of course, when we get to see quote civilization is not quite so clear until we realize, of course, there was really power in civilization's petroleum and what powered petroleum. That's just the solar energy down in the organisms that eventually got concentrated through the geological process and the petroleum. So we to have highly diverse systems that are consuming a lot of energy that are producing a lot of goods and services that have feedback characteristics to the region around them. And the centers of consumption are relying upon a broad base of collecting, collecting solar energy and the resources that have been created through those photosynthetic processes. So we to have have these human systems that are solar powered and so it goes with nature as well. Of course our human systems that are solar powered don't seem to be quite so stable. Our civilizations exploit the resources from the landscape and every two to three, 400 years, they crush. Some people and there is some evidence that, of course, part of the reason they crush is they undermine the resource base. So they really don't have a sustainable relationship with the surroundings. So those kinds of questions and those kinds of assumptions, the question is, well what's the first step in trying to grapple with that? It's a pretty bewildering world out there, whether it's nature or humanity. So first we need to, instead of like most the ecologist would say, oh the world is very complex, look at all those differences, look how unique each place is. And maybe we ought to look at it from a different point of view and say, what are the fundamental principles? instead of looking for differences, let's look for similarities. What are the driving forces that unify all of these systems? We have a source, we'll just give it a circle. And what we're trying to do is develop a simple conceptual way of lumping and aggregating a whole bunch different kinds of things that's valid scientifically but we're trying to simplify rather than focus on the differences in the complexity. So sure producers are converters. They're converting that energy, whatever it might've been we'll just say sunlight in this case, converting it into organic matter, that then can be utilized by consumers. So basically that's what's going on and they've got a source of energy, a converter, we call it a producer and a consumer and you can add all kinds of complexity but that's the bottom line. And of course those consumers each higher level has the ability and should affect the system below it contract feedback control. And we all know from computers and a lot of other cybernetic kinds of things, is that feedback is very important to maintain the system functioning properly. So we can say it well, producers are trees and consumers are deer and deer recycle the nutrients back to the landscape. We know that's very important. And so it might be if we take it out of nutrients, so did the squirrels and they may not know what they're doing but as they dig holes and put acorns in holes and holes besides the trees and things like that they're having a feedback benefit as a positive contribution to the system. So what they've tried to do is they come up with a little line of simple symbols to be able to conceptually organize a whole bunch of different parts to the system. So you have your circle, which is an energy source. We have producers which are converting energy into another form. And of course from the second law of thermodynamics, we're always going to have energy loss every time there's a conversion. We have consumers. We know that the biomass of trees does store energy as through reserves of petroleum on the ground, as do libraries of knowledge and we have interactions. Nutrients are very important as switchers to really increase the productivity, you can have all the energy you want and all the producers you want but if you don't have certain key components then you're not going to get the productivity. So if we now take that simple system and look at, yes we have some light coming into our system. A system has a boundary and a system does something, we will say, oh the multiplier will have some chloropyll and thus enabling the sunlight to be converted into the biomass of tree. Of course, the more biomass you have, the more leaves and the greater opportunity you have to collect sunlight. And some of that goes off, and is likewise consumed by deer And the deer grows teeth and legs. And those also enabled him to get more food in a positive feedback way. And of course the waste from the deer go back to help the chlorophyll capture the sunlight. So what we've done is again, taken a simple producer component that consumer component, looked at how they interact as feedback control from above and as things transform from one to another. And of course we know that most of the energy that is obtained by deer doesn't really go into making deer biomass. It goes in to making deer's function. So they have to run around. They reproduce and they fight diseases and fight each other and then avoid hunters and all that kinds of stuff. That's a huge sync, but it's very necessary. So we don't look at this as really being waste, it's being the energy utilized in the processes as viable then that is unused afterwards. So we can go on and we can say, how about as farms, sure they're producers and farmers export things from the cities and the cities have extension people with feedback knowledge to the farms and regulations that may be positive or negative. And if we're going to deal with this as an ecological sense maybe we ought to be taking the nutrients from the city which of course came from the food from the farm in the first place. Taking it back and putting it back. And of course can we see on smaller scale system that works very well. So this, depending on the system we're talking about, how it can can manage can give a positive or negative feedback. But basically we have the components and that's how the system functions in our very simple view of the earth. And if we look at indigenous systems we can say the natural system out there producing goods and services without any investment and then here is the others system of cultivated land and that does require a lot more energy but we're controlling the system. Of course, what are we doing? We're really replacing the support, the goods and services provided by the natural intact ecosystem. We have to kill the pests ourselves. We have to, in some cases, apply the nutrients because we have simplified this system from that system to the point where it won't function by itself. If we get a benefit out of the sufficient world investment and we don't screw up the whole long-term sustainability of the landscape, maybe that's not so bad. Please object or comment as we go. That to me, I think, yeah, that still holds again, these very simple little conceptual symbols and we've put them all together and we're trying to figure out how the world works. We can take even one of the little themes of all this instead of looking through a microscope which is very comfortable because it's very easy to quantify things precisely when you're dealing at a micro level. Maybe we ought to be turning the microscope around and looking through the macro scope. What you really want to do is fuzz up a lot of stuff and look at the big picture, that's not nearly as comfortable scientifically. So systems ecologists don't have an easy time of it out there in the academic world because they're trying to generalize and lump a whole bunch of fuzzy things all together. And it isn't as precise. And that's a challenge we all face in trying to decide, So goes this whole processing on a global scale. Now how about money? Well, now money, then of course, in the sense of agriculture goes the opposite direction. If you really wanna talk about what's running the show. And we mentioned when we're looking at it from an economic point of view we ought to remember that we're looking at everything in the wrong direction because this stuff that we eat and stuff that we use, So now we've looked at feedback, we've looked at some of the ecological principles and now let's look at hierarchy. As you can imagine, you look up at the top these are all individual grass blades. You can say, these are zebras. We can say these are lions Or we can just pretend that there's only lions. So what we're talking about is that there are a whole bunch of individual collectors out there as plants. And those, of course, as the herbivores consume them that energy becomes embodied and support the next level of much less biomass and much less energy. And so we go with the pyramid of life Not very much as compared to what we had here. So we see it takes a lot of basis to support these. That's pretty obvious. So if we wanna take our little conceptual model look at this in a linear sense and how much energy has gone from this component into that? And we can quantify it in histogram here and you say how much energy is embodied or did it require to make the grass and all this? And the other way, other thing to remember is how much energy was required to produce each of these? So this level really requires all of that level. So we're going to go out and burn, a bunch of grass and burn a bunch of lions we will say, I know I got the same amount of energy to burn a pound of lion and a pound of grass, hypothetically, it's all the same. You know it's not all the same. We know it took a really a lot of grass energy than that of lion energy. and we that the lion's have really important feedback control. They've embodied a lot of stuff. So just using the calories as people in agriculture physical science and other biological sciences if that's only the way you look at it you're missing a big point. And the numbers don't add up and energy analysis doesn't work. And that's been already shown in many studies and many different disciplines that energy analysis is simply using calories use it sufficient and it won't fly. And I think the biggest contribution Odum, who just got the preferred price, three or four years ago for this whole concept is embodied energy or transformative. How much energy was required to make the lion. So you look at that and say, \"wow, the lion's are really valuable \"even though there's not much energy in the environment.\" The political system, hierarchy in anything, hierarchy in village systems, hierarchy in natural system. Basically our paradigm says it's all the same. Hierarchy in information systems and antiquated with valuate those things. if we're gonna play this game It's not to go burn a book Is consider how much energy was invested to make the book. And then we can start comparing apples and oranges. And that's the objective. How can you compare one thing to another that aren't the same, even though they may have had similar things making them? That's part of the system. So now then what we did, is with all of that go back and say, \"Jari this great plantation \"got a whole bunch of numbers here and can't read them.\" Basically it was 16,000 square kilometers. It was 1967. All right, okay, thank you. That's perfect. And the question was, they were looking at this as the great model. Then Ludwig wanted to do something noble supposedly and invested, how much? He invested $3 million only in terms of bought the land for that. And then invested a lot more to take a 16,000 square kilometers and try to farm three different species of tree. So went on from that, and this was the model. And if this worked, then they were gonna go on. So when we went there our questions were, what's going on? As some of you probably know, these two buildings were built in Japan and barged all the way across the Indian ocean, across the Atlantic, off the Amazon, up the Jari river and were planted here. And this is the power plant. So what they're doing basically going out, clear, cutting everything taking the virgin forest and burning it as a source of fuel because it was too diverse, wasn't appropriate for the kind of stuff they were needing which was pulp for cardboard, facial tissue and things like that. And running it up. A Molina species of pine and eucalyptus I think what they were farming and then processing that and exporting it. So our questions were, was it sustainable? How did the economics work out? We were told when we first got there, It's a success from running a profit. How long is the plant going to last? We found out basically that they weren't adding fertilizer, they hadn't been using pesticides. Their assumption was that the land will remain at the same rate of productivity forever, which I was really surprised to hear that that was their assumption. We found out that they weren't paying off the debt and the life of the plants were 16 years. So that if you're not paying up the the few million to build the place and it only has a 16 year old life and you're calling it a success then our question was, this was clearly gonna crash? What is the Landscape? How long will it take the landscape to restore itself? After clear cutting these massive tracks with no source of genetic material for kilometers around there. The government is the one that's gonna suffer. The investors they'll come or go but the longterm landscape effects. It became a real concern of ours. So what we did was, just like we talked about earlier, we looked okay, sun and wind are dilute sources of energy but important. We looked at rain and we looked at the river, we looked at the geologic process of the mountain uplift and nutrients. We looked at the amount of fuel that is brought in as petroleum to run all of the machines and things. We looked at fertilizer that was being used We looked at the equipment that was brought in, for paper processing and services and food and the people. Those are the external inputs coming into the system using energy and quantifying all of this stuff. First in whatever units we could get from them and then with the transformation ratio or transformative bringing it down to hemorrhaging value, and then looking at the virgin forest, the value of what nutrients are burned in the woods, because of course, as they burn the forest they could in a sense, take the ashes from that burn, put it back on the landscape. But of course they sell that. And basically our conclusion was, and then of course looking at, after you do the conceptual model the next thing to do is quantify all of these in a tabular form, calories of energy per year, the amount of that transformation, how many calories does it take for solar energy to make a lion? For obviously sun it's one. That's our baseline. It the enables us to very quickly scan, which is the most energetically important components of the system. And so if we're gonna be making decisions there really has to be a special attachment to the things that are more energetic. So we went through that process. and concluded that it wasn't sustainable as they were doing it. And then ask the question, what would have to be done to make it sustainable? So rather than get too hung up on the big deals, basically we found that there would have to be a rotation cycle of about 25 years, 50 to 75% of the forest could be cut, which means 50 to 25% had to remain as a reserve for gene pool development ecosystem. Instead, our conclusion was, instead of trying to continue foresting the land, fertilize it minimally for a while, probably after 10 to 20 years the productivity is gonna decline and then leave it, just abandon the whole place and let the natural process of succession reconstitute the soil, reconstitute the entire ecosystem and then come back 50 to 75 years later on the land that's under fertilization under a cultivation, remembering that of course 25% is always gonna be left in reasonably close proximity to the farm plots so that we can get that process. And then what's the point, minimize human investment of energy. Let the nature do the work for you because that's going to make it more economically and energetic, . So what we found basically was this is the return on investment. You can see if we were cutting. Anyway, what we did is just look for optimum meals and wherever it could be a reasonably good return on investment. Not viable that isn't sustainable at all. And if you ride around here where there seems to be sustainability with about 50% of the biomass that we have originally intact. So anyway, that's kind of the approach that we use to try to evaluate different strategies using energy as the common denominator and the other place right nearby there, I found fascinating. This is Carajas. This is the largest known reserve of iron ore in the world. So they told us. When this area is completely developed, the land here will be a hundred meters lower than it is now. And major major impact on the landscape of this region. Also a very, very valuable resource. So to exploit that resource, they need power. Where's the power gonna come from? Oh, of course, we've got to build a dam. Well, so the Tocantins river is in a region near Tucurui. And this was when it was built, when it's completed I think in 83 or 84 largest dam in the world. Again, a model for the future, if this works and everything's fine then they're just going to go off. And of course you can imagine that the hydrographers or hydrologists and engineers have great plans for the Amazon. They say hundred of million kilowatt hours potential for the Amazon. And of course, in areas you can see that a little relief. So you're really flooding a massive area of the forest. Again, our approach was to take what is going to be invested in this dam, materials, services, all brought down to an energy level and compare that to the productivity and the resources, but the river itself and of the rain forest. And then of course we have to balance that with the productivity of the Lake will be compared . So we see that there will be a reservoir behind the dam. That reservoir will have some aquaculture that eventually fish is gonna be exploited. Changes in the agricultural regime of the region. Of course, we have the natural forest here. That's going to be in a sense law. And of course we have the dam itself. So basically you could see the general components that we're considering, again, tabular artists, all of this. And basically the conclusion was this dam at that place, there would be more energy yield, greater energy yield from the dam than there was from the entire ecosystem. And that would say, according to this analysis it maybe the dam isn't a good thing. I mean, it is a good thing considering what the energy is going to be used for and that's gonna be multiplying to the iron mine which is a very, very valuable resource. So we can say for environmental, like the Cousteau is that a comfortable analysis? Do we feel good about that? Well, I don't know that's how the numbers worked out based on the assumptions and the calculations. So at least it's refreshing to see that it's objective enough to make decisions On the quote other side. We also looked at the, what would have to be the area, what would be the area, if the dam could just breakeven. Based on a certain . That number becomes very important as one goes and looks at other regions, saying, oh, okay, if you have a kilowatt potential of this or less and you're going to flood that much of quote typical rain forest then it's not a good idea. So that's another one I the amazon. Another question that is, I was on the sea of Cortez and we had an expedition there . Going around diving looking at the Colorado river, which is an interesting river because it's been turned off in 1906, reduced of course when's the Hoover dam was being built. So it's really, really has some changes. And the question is, has that had an impact on the on the upper sea of Cortez? in terms of shrimp fishery, productivity, all these other things turns out it hasn't. And I was really surprised. I expected when you turned off the river like the Colorado river it would really have some impact on the system below. Turns out that there are 24 tides during the highest title range in that region and what the tides are doing, taking in resource of nutrient suspended sediments and bottom and all that, and really suspending them on a daily basis and thus having sufficient turnover and of volume and repetitive to keep productivity high. Even when you turn the river up because of course the river has been putting this stuff into the Delta and this mouth estering system for thousands of years. So that was kind of interesting. Looking at the shark fishery and saying, wow, that's kind of neat. Let's go look at shrimp fishermen and see what they do. We flew over this area and you can see here's the trail. 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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e How does it work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=5.78,6.613"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He says \"Well.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=6.613,7.446"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I say, \"What's the ratio, catch to usable catch?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=7.446,11.36"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He says \"Oh, about 10% we keep.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=11.36,14.0"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"90% of what you're catching, you're throwing away?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=14.0,18.08"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How does that work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=18.08,19.06"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How can you pay salaries and (indistinct)?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=19.06,21.087"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Oh, no, we're subsidized by the government.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=21.087,23.805"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Oh,\" I said, \"Why would the government do that?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=23.805,27.307"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Well they want to create jobs.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=27.307,28.907"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"I see.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=29.917,30.92"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I thought, \"Well, isn't that interesting?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=30.92,33.35"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now there's another fishery, and these are little guys","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971#t=33.35,36.69"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41107/file/112971/transcript/26283/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not very capital intensive, throwing out little gill 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He says \"Well.\" I say, \"What's the ratio, catch to usable catch?\" He says \"Oh, about 10% we keep.\" I said, \"90% of what you're catching, you're throwing away? How does that work? How can you pay salaries and ?\" \"Oh, no, we're subsidized by the government.\" \"Oh,\" I said, \"Why would the government do that?\" \"Well they want to create jobs.\" \"I see.\" So I thought, \"Well, isn't that interesting?\" Now there's another fishery, and these are little guys not very capital intensive, throwing out little gill nets, letting them sit out there over a period of time and catching shrimp. They've got real big shrimp. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, this is a pretty picture, if you're tired of numbers. So what we did is looked at the other fishery, considering the capital investment, the rate of return on that investment, mostly from an economic point of view. From certain economic perspectives, exporting a local valuable resource is bringing money back in to the country and theoretically to the local fishermen. Well it turns out that by having this very, very capital intensive fishery, the money's really coming into the local fishermen and goes right back out to pay for their boats. They don't keep very much asset because it's so expensive to exploit the resource. And as the shrimp, big shrimp, very attractive shrimp, are harvested, they are so valuable that the local people can't afford to pay for them. So the resource is exported to pay for the fishery, and the benefit of course is coming to the state and the national government, but the local people, although they're benefiting in some ways, in the heavy shrimp trawlers, they're clearly having negative effects on the ecosystem there. And they can't even eat their own stuff, because it's too valuable. So that was another way that we were trying to look at the energy versus the economic value of these things and saying, \"Well, it would appear that the dollar value placed on this isn't really appropriate, because what's coming back in is money, and the money isn't sufficient for the people to be able to give them a return in goods, when they use the money, returns in goods and services that they can purchase to really make it equitable.\" So that was one study, and then we came to Papua New Guinea, and that's . And so I was very interested in that place, not very well developed in a Western sense, and primarily going on to explore. As we looked, did our sort of overall analysis of the landscape, using energy as our criterion, saying, \"Wow, it's a pretty rich place, you've got mountain building and all that volcanic activity, a lot of energy in that.\" And what do you get as benefits? Well, you get all the very, very rich soil. This is , this is , a whole clan grew up at some point, thousands to millions of years ago. Here's another one. And when these blow, it's a catastrophe on the short term, but evidence from other, like Long Island, some of these other places, it really has blown up, for a number of years after that the productivity of the gardens and the forest and everything really explode. So you're constantly fertilizing the system with this geological effort. So I say, \"Yeah, that's valuable.\" And then look at the geothermal areas. And of course, we're right on the advancing edge of the plate that has Australia on it. And of course the subduction and all is creating a lot of activity . And of course, we look at the virgin forest and say, \"Wow, real high diversity, very old trees, took a lot of energy to build them. We consider those very valuable.\" And then of course we know they're valuable because there are people from all over the planet coming in to get them. Question then becomes is, is the return, are they getting money, and is the money equal in buying power or an equal value, so that when the local people spend the money, they can get back goods and services of an energy quality comparable to the trees that were sold? And that's the way that this approach would look at it. I think in general, as we look at most of the developing world, and most of the natural resource exploitation programs, the people somehow seem to get shortchanged, and we know they get, let's just say, ideally, they get quote, \"a fair dollar return.\" Well, of course what we don't do is pay for nature. We pay for the human service involved in cutting down the trees. And that's how much it costs to explore the forest, to hire some guys, pay up the equipment, cut down the trees, put them on a boat, send them off somewhere, process 'em, and you buy that, what are you really paying for? Nothing for nature. You're paying for the humans that went in there to do the work. So we can see that there's something missing, and we also look at that and say, \"Yeah there's something missing. When the local people sell raw materials in the world market and get dollars of any currency back to use, it just doesn't seem to work out.\" So in economic point of view and energetic point of view, we say probably energy, if we evaluate it on that scale, maybe we better look at the contribution of rivers to the sea. And this is the Sepik River plume as it goes out to fertilize various regions, of course right at its mouth it's a little bit much, so you have the shrimp fishery and some other things, but as you get further and further out, these nutrients are lower in concentration and really do contribute to the productivity of the region. It was interesting that as we came down the river at Calypso, so back here, there were flocks of birds feeding. Go even further, we can see fish jumping. And right at the perfect trophic system. And finally right out here, there were a whole bunch of communities, and a bunch of local guys out there fishing, and of course humans are higher up there on the pyramid of trophic conversions, out there feeding right at the mouth of this river, . Well okay, so as we went to explore underwater we also found rich, diverse, beautiful ecosystems. And we also found that there were just incredible marine resources. Many of them being exploited by the local people, many of them over-exploited now because of that cash incentive. And in some cases much better traditional management than what's taking place now. You can see there was some very large grouper in some of the places where local people couldn't get, now of course some people would say \"Oh, fish are friendly,\" they're not friendly at all, they're territorial. And why are fish territorial? Well, they need a piece of geography that can produce enough stuff, capture and concentrate enough solar energy for them to survive. So this might've been a female, pretty fat. Anyway, got there, be mentioned. And of course, how are the people exploiting these things traditionally? Well, not very large energy investment, which means the energy yield is going to be much greater. And of course how do they know how to catch the fish and the shellfish? Well that's knowledge. Knowledge, where's that come from? Well that comes over hundreds to thousands of years of investment in culture, the perpetuation of culture and the maintenance of culture. So from our point of view, the knowledge of culture is very very valuable, as it provides people with the information on how to harvest for free, harvest at very little investment from yourselves, the free resources of the landscape, both above and below water. And of course many of these people live outside the money, the economy. So when we look at the economics of Papua New Guinea, we'd say \"Those are very poor people, and it's tough.\" And here they're taking shells, I was mentioning this morning, it was for me a very interesting story of how some of the younger men in the village on Russell Island, in the province, east and south of the Trobriand Islands, we'd go down and get these, look, a little scallop shell attached on one side to a rock, and the had a red pigment in part of the shell, and to Westerners that isn't very valuable at all, but for the locals, it's bagging the AGI or the AGGI. And that is what they make these strings of sort of money beads and things like that out of. Well, the younger guys wanted to get scuba equipment 'cause that became available, and they wanted to go in, go deeper and catch more and everybody'd get rich. And the village elders said, \"No, if you have that technology you are more likely to over-exploit the resource. And probably the ones now deeper are the ones that make babies that populate the upper regions that we do exploit, that we do catch traditionally. So you guys can't use that technology. Continue to do it in the traditional way so that we will be assured for our future generations, that there will be this money for us and this medium of exchange.\" Which I found very interesting. Could you just push the side frame that makes the slide go up and down? I've only got about... Well, I don't know what's happening. Probably the cold, these are California tropical slides. Okay, we'll just go on. So not only of course, and it's obvious to all of you, but the knowledge embodied in the culture accumulated over a long period of time, embodying an incredible amount of energy, provides a system that in my opinion, at least for some of the places, really nurtures the people, and these poor people as we look at it from an economic sense in many ways are richer and freer than a lot of the others who are dependent upon the system outside. So again, we went to the spaghetti and meatballs, we're tired of that, but the thing that was most interesting to me, and I don't know how to explain it, was, let's look at the gross national product in dollars in Papua New Guinea in what year? 1983. Okay, we'll just say the US, 26... 2,600 billion dollars was the gross national product in the United States. And Papua New Guinea was only 2.3 billion dollars. Wow. They're really poor, look at that. And then we look at, how about the energy? The energy of the system, brought down to that solar common denominator, oh my goodness, Papua New Guinea is an order of magnitude greater than, let's say New Zealand, and the world, and Australia, much more than the United States. Wow. Isn't that interesting? So then we started questioning, and I think the anthropologists have already asked the question for many years, how poor are those people if they have an intact ecosystem that is sustainably providing them with goods and services and natural resources, and a culture that's reasonably intact? Interesting. So, then we look at the energy use per person, well obviously that's great because the population isn't always increasing, reproducing at an alarming rate, still, population low, everybody's happier, because you get more stuff. I wouldn't venture into the happiness stuff, but if we take this kind of approach, I think is closer to allocating maybe proper value or at least another value system to those unexported resources that clearly aren't relevant economically, because they're not running in dollars. So anyway, that's... Now my question to myself, and I think we in the Cousteau Society, do we believe this? Is it true? I don't know, but it's interesting. It takes another approach. It has some validity. It's intellectually satisfying at least at a simple level. But as we take it a little further, if you want you can turn the lights on, we take it a little further, I've got Cousteau and Odum together three years ago in New York. , Odum's real spacey guy, he's got all these wild theories, Cousteau, he's got a whole bunch of other ideas , and I get these guys together and wanted to see if we're all still the same. Sure enough, got 'em together, and Odum launched off into the value of energy and the value of culture, that's the greatest thing, I mean, I'm sorry, the value of information and culture, you can turn the projector off if you want. So he's going off talking about, \"Well, you know presidents are very valuable,\" and Cousteau says \"Presidents, holy shit, they're not valuable at all.\" And he goes, \"You know, there's all this stuff, guys up in space, books and knowledge and power and political systems and generals and all this stuff,\" I see Cousteau is getting more and more angry. And so he finally comes to the point of, and Cousteau says \"Do you mean to tell me that you are presuming to put a quantity on the value of a human being?\" And Odum says \"Of course! Says, \"You know, the guy on the street doesn't have much value, politicians, oh, they're very valuable.\" Cousteau just went \"You're crazy.\" Completely out in left field. They were talking past each other in terms of value, and Cousteau says \"How dare you presume to put these values on that?\" And Odum said \"How dare you presume to think that humans are any different from storms and birds? Storms are great concentrations, look at a hurricane. sucks 'em in, does a lot of work, whirls around, does things, really has an effect on the system surrounding. Birds, hey, take seeds, do a lot of good stuff.\" So how far can this idea be taken? I don't know. But it's kind of interesting, it's different. I have a publication that was . But anyway in my hands, it's called \"Energy, Environment, and Public Policy: A Guide to the Analysis of Systems.\" So, if you find this intriguing, and you wanna look into it a little more, these can be still be purchased through , library, and so with that I'll open up the questions, if there are any. Burnt out, huh? Yes.\r\n\r\n- Do you think that the would follow the recommendations of the Cousteau Society?\r\n\r\n- No. No, like all these things, it's, I think, and that's one of the reasons that I'm here, and so intrigued by these approaches. We were typical of so many well-meaning outsiders, we came in, did a bunch of studies, did all these numbers and gave a report and left. doesn't work, spend a year or two years , and find doing better, but that wasn't our intent, because . No, they didn't, I don't, think they're very complicated . didn't all understand the existence of climate change, and he wanted the title because he spent his good money, and he wanted to stay there land. Well, if people determined their land based on the position of trees, and valleys and rivers, and rivers are changing all the time, one guy's land, according to , and trees and the ocean, the ocean's , we know that isn't true . ? The Brazilian government doesn't have the right to , so the government, even though it wanted, couldn't transfer the title . says \"You guys .\" So he bailed out, sold out, , Brazilian companies and others, and that was how it was on the week our report began, very complicated, . I wouldn't say four years later, they call him and it's a real emergency, fungal infections and insects, which of course is predictable in our modern culture, environment, and so, we go back, and say, \"Well do you remember? habitat .\" So, I don't know how it's going to , but I'm sure that what we have to say would sound similar, discouraged by some, and appreciated by some others, . Any other questions?\r\n\r\n- One more, I'm curious if the Cousteau Society is going to be investigating the impact of the .\r\n\r\n- Good question, we've been asked that by many people, and I've asked Jean-Michel, and he said he doesn't know yet. We already have, it's in our plan to go to the Red Sea eventually, but I don't know when that decision will be made, but at the moment there's no plan. They made a major commitment to Exxon 's question, and with the Odum team, we're now doing an analysis of that, because petroleum is such a nice thing, 'cause it's already energy, and to look at the sort of energy invested in getting the petroleum out of the ground, and transporting it, the productivity of the ecosystem up there, the dynamics of the world market, and then what alternate technologies or systems might one consider? In other words, vessels, port directors like we have in airports, and various other human and technological systems to minimize those spills. Another approach is going to be looking at doing nothing, forgetting the detergents, forgetting that incredible effort of human energy and trying to wipe oil off of the rocks, and steam coastlines, and add detergents that totally screw up all the osmotic and membrane processes of organisms that live in the aquatic environment, and wipe down sea otters and do all this stuff for birds. It looks good, it feels good, I mean somebody oughta do it, but what they did, but we really oughta stand back and say \"Is that where we should be putting our resources?\" And I don't have an answer, but I know that that's the kind of approach we're gonna take to try to get at least a quantifiable assessment of some of those different alternatives. We made many different choices. Well, let's look at those choices, maybe those aren't the best choices we should've made. We're certain it'll happen again, so let's learn from this, and if we're gonna learn from it, let's do a real thorough study, and look specifically at those alternatives. So how do they add up? I don't know. One thing, in terms of, I think the frustration from having attempted to do some of these kinds of analyses, in places like the Amazon and other places, and realizing, as, of course, you all know so well, you just don't go do something and say \"Well gee, we did something nice, isn't it wonderful?\" Is hopefully, bringing students from, say, Papua New Guinea, right now we're working in Mexico on a very large development, a coastal resource management plan, bringing students or people who are already working in the system, and that system has asked us to be involved, saying \"No,\" people from said \"Hey, we'd like you to come down and help us, participate in a resource management for the coastal protection and development, tourism, and all that stuff. Isn't that... just don't think I can do that. So eventually, I was convinced that they sounded serious, and like it wasn't just gonna use the Cousteau name, and that's a real benefit to those developers out there who wanna hook up, and so I said \"Okay, we'll take two people. Give us two people for two years and you pay for it. And yes, you'll get your document and all that stuff that one would expect. You'll also get two people, and those two people will have gone to the University of Florida, have either master's degrees or have spent enough time to do the work themselves, and to embody this approach, to understand it in the cultural context, and to be able to take it back home, so that as the future unfolds, which clearly won't be the future we envision right now, because things aren't predictable, that they can adapt themselves and adapt whatever work we did to fit reality in the cultural context.\" And we've just decided that those people will also go to USC and work in the lab where Steve Lansing last night, and Everett Rogers yesterday afternoon, talked about their whole anthropological communication development focus and perspective will be, I mean it's just perfect timing for us, because, what do the Cousteaus do? Well, you know, we just go around making movies, and trying to share on a global scale some I think interesting things, but we don't stay in one place for a long time. But having the opportunity to work with Mike, and work with Steve and some of these other people, and to say, and I don't know, maybe we'll think of a better way if this fails, to get people who are interested, who are already part of the system, making decisions that we might not feel real comfortable with, and say \"Hey, come on, we'll give you a free ride. Come with us, get a degree, learn a bunch of stuff, and then go back home,\" and that's part of the deal. 'Cause one of these guys is an MD, oh, very concerned I thought, \"Yeah, you want another free ride, have a great time, and then go home and practice medicine and get rich.\" I said, \"I don't think we wanna work with people like that.\" We wanna work with people who are gonna be bureaucrats for the rest of their life, and make a commitment to be involved in public policy, and development of whatever sort, and take our investment and their own investment and . But looks like he is really serious, so that's the next step in how we're trying to deal with the same things that, there are so many other methods, but maybe diversity's healthy. Maybe we should all try lots of different methods and we'll see. Yes. Only in the United States, and it would be wonderful, and that'd be a great topic for somebody to take, for example, if somebody were working in Papua New Guinea to take the shows and really look at pre questions, post evaluation, see if there's been any change in perception, good or bad, and whether it really makes a difference. We have one master's thesis looking at Cousteau films in America. And in Ohio, there's a woman named Rosanne Fortner, is involved in environmental education. I got her one of our films before it was aired, she had a deal in her university slash community out there where people could watch television and punch buttons. So it's a really interactive kinda thing. She aired this on a local network, asked students questions ahead of time, students watched the film, answered questions, came back to class, went through the whole thing, and then tried to determine was it just fun and entertainment, or did they really assimilate knowledge? And with her control group, the same information, 'cause they gave her the script, she was able to put into study guide, lesson plans, and all that, so they got the same information in two media. One is the film, one is the traditional paperwork and all the rest of that stuff. And yes, it was statistically valid that the students who watched the film learned more than the ones who had been exposed to the same information, in the traditional educational system. But one thing that, to address your question, when we get permission to have an expedition in some of these countries, and then to go back, we're morally obligated and legally obligated to go back to the country and say \"Hey, here's a film we made, here's all the stuff we did.\" You know, they want reports, we gotta do a whole bunch of stuff. So I went back there with Jean-Michel, and when we shared the Papua New Guinea films to the people of Papua New Guinea, that's real scary, we have presumed, just in the process of making the film, to pass judgment, to show things, and you know, films aren't as objective as I think some people might believe, and so here we were and we couldn't hide, and we couldn't get away, and we're showing all this stuff, and I was really scared because as the film progressed, and as we showed a bunch of cultural things, I heard the audience go , a funny little sound, and I was like, \"Oh my God, we've blown it, I hope we get out of here alive, this is real scary, oh, this is terrible.\" So, sure enough there were questions, and the questions weren't venomous, and so eventually the people asking questions sort of dispersed, and I went to a local I knew, and I said, \"God, this is really an experience,\" I said, \"Kind of a problem,\" he said \"Oh no, no, that's good! That means the people really liked the film.\" And it turned out that Papua New Guinea is so diverse, communication is so poor, that many of the students from all over the country at the university, had never seen or experienced other dimensions of the culture of New Guinea, which is 700 different cultures, and so they were just marveling at all of their colleagues, other villages from other regions, and how they lived, and what their belief system was, and what they did, so it worked out okay in that sense, and we gave the film to the TV, and so that was aired for free over the network channel in Papua New Guinea, but it wasn't, as you've said, educationally evaluated and it would've been easy to do. So we really should, that's an interesting thing that we oughta pursue in upcoming films. Any other questions? Yes! A little louder, I'm sorry. I've been trying, but I mean I don't know, I don't know a lot of things, because I've been in Australia . ? 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