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Six years younger","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408#t=57.46,60.22"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408/transcript/21789/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408#t=60.22,60.36"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408/transcript/21789/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ramona. I was. Old. In. Junior High School. 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Did you did you what did you do to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408#t=3021.26,3025.13"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408/transcript/21789/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"get your group to work hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408#t=3025.13,3026.42"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408/transcript/21789/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you tell them you wanted them to keep certain","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408#t=3028.76,3030.83"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408/transcript/21789/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hours to do. No no. Okay. I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408#t=3030.83,3034.44"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408/transcript/21789/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess I encouraged. 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Then it sometimes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408#t=3051.75,3055.92"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408/transcript/21789/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"went. Way overboard in praising his students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408#t=3055.92,3059.49"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408/transcript/21789/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"OK. Well. Jim. I. Think that. I'm. 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And today is Saturday the 18th of June 2011. And. We're here. In telephone contact with. Professor. Emeritus. James S. Benson to. Conduct an interview. That. Will be about his experiences and his recollections as a professor of chemistry at Iowa State University. Jim would you like to just take it away and say a few words about your early background please. I had a younger sister who is. Six years younger than. Ramona. I was. Old. In. Junior High School. That was a parochial school. Which my mother really pushed for and my father was. Displeased about. But. Those nuns drove a hard bargain and got an education. And. I didn't quite make valedictorian. I was a thousandth of a grade point average of. Course but I didn't get into Caltech very pleased about. It turned out. To be interesting because having been such a. Academic star in high school. I went. To a place in which. Academics real academic stars. Were all over the map. And so. Some of it like especially like. The freshman and. Sophomore physics courses. Were a real struggle. Linus Pauling taught the. Freshman chemistry course at Caltech. But. My freshman year was the. Year. He. Won his chemistry Nobel prize. Oh wow. And the. State Department which had taken away his passport a few years. Before. Because he would. Spread disloyal sentiments. Was more or less embarrassed to give it back to him. So he could go to the Nobel Prize. And. Now. As a consequence he was lecturing. Around. Europe. At various points during that year. And sadly we saw less of him. That. We had hoped to. The freshman chemistry course. Was not at all algebraic the way the courses these days. But it was highly geometric. Paul and he was a great fan of. Crystallography. Boy did we learn about. Unit cells and have to do. Some. Pretty. Difficult vision visioning. That. Sort of material. Who taught you. Why his calling. This place. Oh. Yeah I somehow had gotten the impression. Incorrectly that that he was too busy traveling to teach you entirely but I guess that he taught you part of the time whenever he was back in town he was there at the lecture. Okay ok. He asked a persuasive person. You know valence bonds. Which he really. Was clearly going to be on the outs in molecular orbital theory. Was going to win. But. Robert Mollica was. Not at all a persuasive. Person. So Hollings views. Held sway for a long time. Interesting. Yeah it must have been fantastic to have freshman chemistry from Linus Pauling. Yes. And he was department head. And he also taught. A graduate course in the nature of the chemical bond. One quarter in. Quantum mechanics you know he wrote a book. Mulligan. Wilson. Yes. Yes. So he taught that course. The real federal. Grant funds. Right yeah. They were just coming onto the scene. That he would go to the Ford Foundation every year. And get a big grant to. Run the whole department. Well. During my senior year I met a man Edward Eduardo King. Who was. On sabbatical from Wisconsin. And I did a small research project that was. His. Senior. Year activity. And. I like him and his work so much I decided I would. Apply in Wisconsin where I went to work for him. Finished in four years. That Carla's. Got married. And of course the big national story. At that time. Without a doubt was Henry Toby. And. I applied. To Stanford to work with him and was accepted. At. That. Yes. And he. Encouraged me to apply for academic journals. At that time. One did not really apply. Good. Job was advertising. Department that had. Advertised an academic position. Would have. Regarded itself as really inferior. Wow. You're one of the stars of the field. To recommend their proteges to you. And Toby had. Two or three postdocs looking for jobs. And. He had to. He got all these letters looking for people because. It organic was just coming on so strong. That. But he recommended me. To for places. And. I interviewed for. And got offers from three. And. Accepted the offer at Iowa State. In. Part because the Ames love connection was. There. In part because. I was really charmed by the acting department head. Adrian Dini. So. Yeah. I enjoyed it. There were five new chemistry faculty members. Here. Angela see friends of Kingsbury are. We all five were hired at the rank of instructors. Because the department here. Was back on duty but. The department head. Was really annoyed that the faculty. Would string on. A clearly deficient people maybe they with. This. Is. Very insightful about. A. Single innocent child. Even though he himself. Was not a success in science. And so I don't quite understand what was the connection. He appointed them. He appointed incoming faculty as instructors in order because that would take a faculty vote. To get them promoted. I see I see faculty. Rethinking. So. Easily as they would. Just. Automatic. I see. We should give this person six years olds. Everyone else's hands. And how long did you have to spend in rank as an instructor before that vote was taken. At the end of the second year. Communication was poor because. Gets. Was. Headship. By. The end of our second year and we see and I read the campus newspaper. Being promoted. To. OC and because we were part of the Ames lab friends and I know. Quite a few other people. Didn't know anyone else. In the lab right away. Several of my papers from that era. I was. So. Close. Okay. Okay. And so then after you were promoted to assistant professor then you had to climb. The ladder again to be. To be given tenure. Right. That's right. Yes. And so did you feel any pressure on you during that period to oh publish say a certain number of papers or to do certain things. Well. Publications count and. In fact. There was sort of a. Feeling. That. The numbers of publications. Counted more. Than all the other factors combined. Course you couldn't. Be unsatisfactory and teacher had to be acceptable. You couldn't. Exclude yourself from departmental service work. You had to show at least some willingness to do that. But. The real issue came down to research. Okay. Well no. The time I joined the faculty. Gets was back as head of department. I had gotten the employment began. The first of September. And I guess about 27 or 28 of August I went in so I could introduce myself to get. After the greeting as the first words. Out of his mouth were. I hope you're not. Expecting to get paid for these extra days. Now but that was OK. Yes. During that year. When it gets was first back on the job. Transfer state and Kent stalwart. Were hired. And. Also an offer was made to a young physical chemist. And by return mail. That offer was declined. Getz was not pleased. Apparently this is a story I heard later that. Routed. To a charity. Search Committee was told by Gates. Find out why this guy didn't even think about her. And her. Very cool. Probes very very deeply when he asked. Called this guy out and had a long conversation. And finally he came back to get said. He said he wouldn't. Join any department in which you were heard. Wow. You want to counter dance. Wow. Yes decided he would step down from the head trip at the end of that year. Which was good. The department wanted a. Chairman not a head. And. After some. Inquiries that I don't really. Recall. Corporate was appointed. To a four year term. Although. As he described it later. He discovered it was the dates really were a five year term. Because of the dean. Trauma Roy. Could calculate how many years he had. As Dean. Based on his age. And. He didn't want to have to appoint a new chairman. So he just wanted an extra year so he didn't have to be involved. But from what you wrote in your notes Jim it sounded like Chioma Roy was a pleasure to deal with as dean. Well I had no dealings with him but I know he was a very good. Chemist. And. Departmental operating budget. Was very generous. People with out grant support. Without Ames labs. Without. Other grants support. Especially the people in the. Organic and analytical chemistry somebody. Virtually had open access to the story. And could spend. Any amount of money. Some people were spending 15 20 thousand dollars a year. From. Departmental operating funds. Wow. There was a lot of money there are sensibly. Because undergraduate chemistry laboratories are expensive but. Trauma Roy appreciated. That it took money. To run a department and. Moreover. People. Had grants right away. I'm sorry. Can you say that again I don't think I heard you right. Not everybody. Was able to get a grant 0 0 first time right. Right. And so this was. Very helpful for that decision. Yeah. Well it's an amazing. Feature to have. Completely open access to the store room. Well. Ostensibly. This was for. Professors. Students teaching assistants. A lot of. Wow which. Why. A few professors should have done that. However. By. Having a shopper for their group who was a teacher. And even a couple people who were departmental Juarez. Benefited from having these shoppers. Oh. Okay. Well. Can you tell me. From the early days and onward what research achievements made him most proud. What achievements. I did a number of interesting things. On myself. And I was fortunate. In having been assigned. A top notch student my first year. He ended his. Career at Iowa State with. A 4.0 AVERAGE. AND. WAS VERY talented in research. He. And I. Worked very well together. He did a lot of nice work. Okay. Okay Jim I think we're ready to roll again. And I apologize for that interruption. I hope it didn't didn't break your momentum for. Quite a few names of faculty members I mentioned sort. Of the early part of the narrative. Arc names. Not in your recollection. Right. Because they did not. Succeed in passing. Scrutiny for. Promotion and Tenure. And. So the standard was pretty tough. By 67 and 68. There were. You know. Again. But. Eventually the logjam was broken. And. Brocade and Angeles C. and I all made for Professor. So. Angeles C and I had taken eight years to become full. Professors. Located taken nine. Under. Around. Hunger gets. Very much recognized. For the quality people. Russell. And. Chapman. And Rundle. Got. Get raises. They were at the top of the academic payroll so was. Part of the deal. And Bob hands. Gilman had just turned 70 when I was hired. He was reported forced to retire. Because they had. Been. Kept on active for a few more years because the. Air Force which had supported his work. Continued to provide him with. A post on which. He's been a very productive person. You know the. Reputation of how many papers. Published. Sure. Is. Lingered on for many years. Chapman worked hard to get Glenn Russell to the academy. But. He was not successful. Chapman was very tough on promotions and organic chemistry. And. Quite a few people fell by the wayside the organic. Because of his high standards. Chapman left to go to UCLA. That was a big lost argument. OK. Can you say a few words about how the departments socialized. Two ways I would mention. At that time. There was. The president's reception. During this third or fourth quarter. A big fancy to. The. Memorial Union. Free of booze you can be. Both. The. It was a very dressy affair. There had been a reception and gets his house for the chemistry Snapple. Before we all proceeded to the union. Oh. And. That gradually. Was discontinued. There was a problem I don't remember one year. And so President Parks decided to. Abandon at that time and it was never resurrected again. Was it only done for chemistry or for other departments as well. No this was for the entire universe. Oh. Oh. The entire site. And. The other. Means of socialization. There were a lot of dinner parties and private homes. Faculty couples would just. Do this of their own initiative. And. These made for a nice social evenings. HANSEN poured. A generous drink and he said it had been his observation. That males liked teens. And females like Manhattans and he had them by the pitcher. Yeah. I guess I think it was. A more generous phenomena. In those days. Came to be later. What part of the job did you personally. And I can't hear you. Oh sorry. What part of the job did you personally enjoy the most. Oh I. My greatest pleasure of all. Was. Doing research. And supervising research and. Working with grad students postdocs. After I had both Ames lab and. NSF support. I managed to build up. A larger group. Than the one I really wanted. I didn't realize that at the time. But. In retrospect it was a larger. Later. James. Appreciate working with. A smaller number of students. That. Much more. Suited my style. Can you say a few words about. How and why you. Got NSF funding. Well deal with funding was dropping off. It used to be the point. In spending stays. That they wouldn't. Support your entire group. Your entire career. But of course the. Built in limitation on that. Business about. Writing graduates. Is. If I get one or two a year. But did. That. Always. Retained a sort of steady state. Or. Support from any one person never. Excessive. Facile and slack in particular. Like to work with full time associates. And. Why. Was program director. That. You. Just count. Full time equivalents. But I kept trying to point out to him that. His full time equivalent. Was not. My fault. The. Fact. That a. Senior chemist was not the same as. Half time graduates. That didn't stop him from continuing the argument. Was it hard to get NSF money. He succeeded the first time we applied. Oh. Great. Yeah. Well I think we've both had. Enough of a reputation. That. I guess the reviews. Were good. NSF didn't share the reviews. So I don't know what people were saying about us just just as well as those. Can you say a few words about how you came to work with Andrea Barker's. Yes Andrea started as a postdoc with me. In about 1976. She. Had done her PHC in Yugoslavia. And then was a postdoc with a friend of mine. At Leeds. In England. And. She then applied to work with me. And I offered her a postdoc position. She turned out to be a very talented scientist. The lab was. In solid. Financial circumstances at the time. And I invited her to. Switch the labs concurrence to accept a full time position with me which she did. And that was really the start of a. Very fruitful collaboration. We worked well together. And. She and she and I. Had a nice record of accomplishment. Yes. And Tim let me add one more. Sure. There came a point. In my career. And in Andrea's. In which are detailed interests started to shift. I wanted to work on reading and can tell us this I'd already done a couple of projects with a graduate student. Along those lines. And she wanted to continue. More with oxygen activation. I remember her asking me do I have to work on reading. To. No heavens no you were. To. Follow the pursuit. She wanted. That she did. And she did so very successfully. I was still program director at the time. And it was looking a little embarrassing. For me to have such a singularly large budget. Of course her full time salary was on. My budget and. And as well as a postdoctoral was working with her. So I. Went to Barton and promoted the idea. That she should be. Employed as an individual scientist in her own group. After some time he concurred with that. And that's what happened. That worked well to her advantage. It worked for helped to mine his budget. Size. Decreased. And she continues to be very successful in the Ames lab today. So I understand. I'm very pleased with. The. When we were working. On the same. Areas together. She was very productive and very cooperative. And. She clearly had. Independent ideas and it was a. Good plan that she was able to. Follow those up on her own. Can you say a few words about. The way the department changed over the years that you saw it changed. Do you see changes that were good and changes that were bad. A. Really. Bad change. Is that the department. Relaxed state standards for tenure and. Maybe I can ask you if you can think of any changes in the department that were good. Yes. The fact that graduate students were no longer assigned. That was certain. The relaxation of a stringent dress code. Which. Occurred on the. East and West Coast. Before. It occurred at Iowa State. That was good. The. General. Lessening of formality. I think was very good. Okay. I don't know how it happened. That. Inorganic area. Builds up a strong change to SAC. Maybe it was the. Five of us. Relocated located. In very different research bases. It worked. Arguing about that and. That we kept in touch. Each week. Through our. Sack Lunch on Thursday. And that kept lines of communication. Yes and I think the inorganic strengths. In the department is something that helped us although the lack of organic strength. Is something that did not. Jim would you say a little bit about. Getting the ACA award in organic chemistry and what it meant to you and and what achievements you think it was really based on. Well I'll tell you the story that I learned only in retrospect. That. Henry told me phoned me. About three years before. And. We were talking about research. And. He asked if I was a member of the National Academy. And I said No I was not. But. I said I didn't see how I could become a member. Because I had not had any national awards. Oh dear. Well. He. I learned later. Got on the phone with. John Koza. Who is chairman of the. Awards Committee. And. Apparently. Really criticized Iowa State's Department. For not having. Pushed me for national awards because. Tubby pushed closer. Criticized because of. Criticizing the department. Because Tavis thought. That I was. An award quality person. So. Kozak. And a former student of mine. Worked up a nomination for me for this national. CSR award. And I got it. Quite tickled pink of course. But then I retired before and you think with the National Academy could kill. Me. And what achievements do you think the award really. Recognized or what were the high points. Well the official title. Is distinguished service in an organic chemistry. But it's really just. Mostly. A research prize. If someone has more deeply what what was the distinguished service all about. One could have pointed. To my book on chemical kinetics. I guess. But it was really mostly a research prize. Yes. And do you care to talk about your research achievements. No Pat you've got so far and have you read the papers. I'm kidding. It was always. So much fun. To take apart. Interested reactions. And reaction that follows second order kinetics. And a great law. The readers a times b. Doesn't tell you anything really right. And it's it's the more complicated cases that are revealing. And. Those are the ones that I enjoyed encountering. Because they. Gave me a chance to be a sleuth. And sure enough some of those came our way. There. Was. A lot of fun. Great. You know when you. Read what. Textbooks for. Young chemists have to say. I think they make. Scientific research. Appear to have different motives than the ones I sense. I sense that there is a lot of. Motivation. That comes from wanting. To recognize. That you have insights that no one else had. Yes that. It's in some senses ego trip that are very satisfying. Yes. Yes. Yes to have insights to know things that nobody else has known before. Well put. Well put. In your in the notes that you sent me before the interview. You made a few couple mentions of teaching. Do you want to say a little bit about that. You said for the first few years it was General Chemistry. And yes there was a heavy load right. The first quarter. I was assigned. A job that is effectively a teaching assistant job. I ran a recitation section oh and a. Three hour laboratory. Apparently. Gets didn't work. Young faculty let loose in the lecture hall. Until they had. Had served more about the. System that I as. Polemics. Well I guess it does. It was a mild insult. That could be trusted but. It was such a late assignment it gave me plenty of time to do my own thing. But here. The. Following quarter. I was up to my ears in freshman. And. My third and fourth year I spent one quarter. Each year. Teaching a course in physical chemistry. So it wasn't all general chemistry and the way I had written. The Mechanical Engineering Department. Wanted its students. To become conversant. With a couple things. One was. The weak chemists looked at chemical seven dynamics. And another word with some rudiments of organic nomenclature. So that. Their graduate students. Took up industrial decisions. Would have. Some feeling for what was being talked about. When compounds were being mentioned. So I spent. About three weeks of the term. Talking about some kinds of organic nomenclature and then I spent seven weeks of the term. Using Daniels and Alberti as it was then. On. Some relatively. Modest formerly modestly. Rigorous. Summer dynamics. The. Day. After a couple of years. Spanning physical chemistry became a little. Annoyed. That I was teaching the class. And. So they took it over. And. The immediate. Reaction. Was the mechanical engineering department became annoyed because Vince called it who taught that course. Had said. The problem was. His engineering students don't know enough math. I'm. Not sure that was true. So he was going to teach them math before teaching and committing. Thermodynamics. Oh I can see where the engineers would be annoyed. Yeah. So they. That course was discontinued a couple of years later. Oh. Well then I got to teach freshmen all the time. Oh. Was it always a heavy load. Or. Did it get better as you became more used to it. The lectures were nothing. The material was nothing. It was. The fact that I had. To. Supervise a large number of teaching assistants and. Read about such a large number of students. This is the workload that piled up. It certainly wasn't the course material. How many students did you have. Typically. In the freshman courses. Yes. Well it was a funny system in those days. The return of styles but. Of course I was involved and had one lecture a week. And. Six hours of laboratory work week. And the laboratory really included. Discussion hour or two. But the professorial content. Was just the one hour. So. It was unsatisfactory. In terms of job satisfaction. Even just from that aspect. In a typical course how many students were there. Well. The auditorium the old Gilman auditorium. Which seated to eighty eight. Was pretty much full for those four sections. Finally one year. When this was when banks was acting department head. After Getz and before Corbett. Don Martin said well the university enrollment is going up again and sure enough it always did. And he said it looks as if we're going to need six sections of that course. Well. That broke the camel's back. I went to see banks. And said. I didn't think six sections was a. Very equitable load. Well he agreed. And so. I don't know who did it. Martin who was in charge of the teaching assignments. Were banks. But they drafted McCauley. Who had very light teaching because he was. He only taught. The organic course of seniors for the fourth quarter. And that was all he taught. He was asked to teach. Two or three of the sections and so my loan was reduced. Oh thank goodness. So it even though. Can you say a few words about. Your chairmanship. In your notes it makes me shudder. Oh you don't have to if you don't want to. Well. It's funny how I got a job. I don't think anyone in the department at that time. So much indirectly directly. Associated with taking on the position. I certainly didn't. And. Apparently. As I recall. Three people whose names I forget. Had been to see Dean Kelly and it was my turn. And there was at that time a woman who was. The. Associate Dean. She later had to retire for reasons of ill health. She wasn't Associate Dean anymore. And. Kelly was talking to me about the chairmanship. And I wasn't much interested. And I could see the gleam in this woman's eye. It was clear she wanted her department to fall into receivership. Maybe she would become the acting dean acting. Chairman. Oh. Well. Something something bad. So I agreed. To take on the job. And. I was not well suited for it. But. The Peter Principle was at work. So. There I was. In the job. You did it for all the right reasons. Well. I don't know. I. I don't think I ever told that story to anyone so. I don't know what you would have done if she were. Carrying the chemistry department. She was obviously no friend of her department. I knew that. Jim what part of your career did you enjoy the most. Was it the early part or the middle part or toward the end. Maybe you enjoyed them all. I had good. Parts all the way through. I enjoyed getting started. Because. It was clear that I was going to be able. To be a success in an academic world. And. While you always liked to believe that from the beginning. You don't really know it until. It begins to happen. So I was pleased that it began to happen. I enjoyed the middle part. Because. I had a. Good sized group and we were productive people. And. There was a great deal of satisfaction with that. Sometimes through there I was appointed Distinguished Professor and as you know that's always a good feeling. And I enjoyed the later part too. I think Mark could tell us this work was really. Had much more. National recognition. And some of the areas I chose to work in before that. And that was good to. Well. Also in the last. Six seven eight years. I made a deliberate decision to downsize to. So I was back to the situation I was in the beginning. Of working more closely with the small number. Of students and postdocs. And trying to. Keep charge of a large number. And that was very satisfying because I could. Keep much better track of where everyone is. And our. Research discussion discussions became. Better focused. Yeah. I too enjoy working with a smaller group so long as there are good people. If it's true we'd rather have four good people than. For good people and to mediocre. Right. I'm not sure. Everyone in the department. Some people. Think Rich was one of them but. Sort of an organic habit. I. Like to. Walk into a Bolton laboratory and. See a lot of heads. Lined up down the road. Yeah. What was your philosophy in running your research group. What did you expect of your graduate students and postdocs and what could they expect from you. Well they could expect guidance from me. I. Certainly tried to. Give students the time they needed. That. Wasn't always as successful as I had hoped. Because. I especially when I had a larger group. The. Demands on my time. Often didn't permit. Me to give them as much as I wanted. Worked out OK. Did you did you what did you do to get your group to work hard. Did you tell them you wanted them to keep certain hours to do. No no. Okay. I. I guess I encouraged. And generally praised accomplishments. I didn't go overboard I thought. Then it sometimes went. Way overboard in praising his students. OK. Well. Jim. I. Think that. I'm. I've asked all the questions that I would like to ask.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35373/file/104408#t=0.0,3075.44816"}]}]}]}