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earth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105705#t=2641.85,2644.923"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105705/transcript/22676/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the other realization that came to us,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105705#t=2646.53,2651.53"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105705/transcript/22676/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's part of my own thesis 10 years 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much to say about this man and I want to have him have time to speak. When I learned that I might have the opportunity to introduce him this evening I veritably late at the chance because of my longstanding admiration for Stewart Udall. Probably most university students today are at least somewhat aware of the Office of Secretary of the Interior thanks to the controversial incumbent and his frequent appearance in political cartoons. During my own undergraduate years, I became quite cognizant of the office myself. Since the Interior Secretary of those days was guided by a philosophy of resource use rather similar to that of today's incumbent Mr. Watt. Well I found that somewhat disturbing at the time and it was a few years later. And after a change of administration, I came to regard Stewart Udall, as an authentic American hero, a secretary of the interior who like the Lorax spoke for the trees and it seemed for me as well. Mr. Udall served the entire eight years of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, 1961 to 69, honorably and well, it also published the best seller titled, \"The Quiet Crisis\" a history of the American perception of the land and of great conservation leaders from Jefferson and to the Roosevelts. It is still the model of lucidity has remained as a text or reference book in many university classes, including my own. And now we're hoping he's going to write a sequel starting with Rachel Carson. During Udall's tenure, as secretary, the yearbooks of the Interior Department fostered a new public perception of the earth human relationship and in 1968, his book, \"Agenda For Tomorrow\" presaged the wave of new environmentalism, which was to become such a conspicuous turning point in the years, 1969 to 1971. Within four years after leaving office, he authored a coauthored two books about our national parks and one about the energy crisis. If you'll tolerate just a bit of chronology juggling here, I might also note that prior to serving as Interior Secretary, Mr. Udall was a US representative from Arizona and a significant figure among the pro conservation forces in Congress. More recently, his brother Morris Udall has represented the same congressional district with similar leadership and similar philosophy. A couple of personal notes, a man of letters, It was Stewart Udall who arranged for Robert Frost to read his poetry at the inauguration of President Kennedy. And it was he who brought live theater back to Ford's Theater in Washington, after a silence of more than a century following president Lincoln's assassination. An avid outdoors man, Stewart Udall floated Whitewater Rivers of the West before that was the thing to do, he has climbed Mount Fujiyama in the winter. And he also has climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. In recent years, he has practiced law in his home state of Arizona, where he is particularly involved with lawsuits regarding radiation damage taking lens. And if any of you are familiar with the cases of the Navajo Uranium Miners there, so many of whom have died of cancer, well that's a suit that he's involved with for instance, I think he may have a little more say about that tonight. So it is with particular pride and pleasure that I present an authentic American hero, the honorable Stewart Udall.\r\n\r\n- I trust this water is free of dioxin, radiation, and other things, I'm going to take it on faith. It's a marvelous spring evening, and I can understand why the students are out of doors, but I want the sponsors of this occasion if they didn't know this to realize that I have a preference for small quality audiences. It's not the numbers, it's what we transact that counts. My brother, who was the cause of my last being in this state in this city long time ago, likes to tell jokes to his audiences. And I like to read poetry and with no surprise, I'm going to begin with Robert Frost this evening. What a poet does as the rest of us recognize when we concentrate on it is to see things that the rest of us miss and seek connections that the rest of us miss. And I noticed that here, like in Washington, DC, where I've been the last month where we're trying to sell our home so we can complete our move back to Arizona. You've had a very late spring and I invite you to perceive as this poem does, as you look at the flowers and trees and shrubs, the bugs as they come out in the spring, that they too are yellow and gold, and the poem is, \"Nothing gold can stay.\" Nature's first green is gold. Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leaf's a flower. But only so an hour. So leaf subsides to leaf. So Eden sank to grief. So dawn goes down to day. Nothing gold can stay. My remarks this evening, 'cause I thought you would want me to be provocative. And I find as I get older, that I'm fascinated with my own life and with the things that my generation has done and not done. And I find myself more willing to be self-critical. And I think that with this time of trouble that we have now in the United States where we're in the most serious economic predicament that we've been in for a long, long time, going back to when some of us were rather young and the great depression when we're faced with the manifestations of environmental problems, some of which in terms of our lives are probably insoluble. You know, the horrors of some of the radiation tragedies, the toxic chemicals things. I was just reading the other night, an article that said that this poison, this champion poison dioxin, that we've been reading about that there was, I guess this was in the EPA disagreement of whether there were 12,000 or some thought as many as 50,000 dumps or places where dioxin has been disposed of in this country. And of course, for all practical purposes, it is there permanently in terms of any kind of human outlook. And this again, as we read about it, day by day, it reminds us of the dark side. Some of the things that we have done, I kept asking myself as I was reading the story and Mo, my brother made the comment the other day, one of his jokes, which isn't much of a joke, but he said that a nation that seems to think it has to sell off part of the national forest to pay the national debt, and also has to buy Times Beach Missouri is in trouble. And the fact of the matter is that the dioxin that we've been reading about, and you asked the question, well, what was it, why were we producing it? Why did we have to have a poison so long lived, so pervasive? And the answer, the best answer that I could get from my reading and it bears on this state, this farm state and other farm States, why is that a chemical company and its research decided or perceived that it had a better and more poisonous herbicide that would do a better job. And so I produced it and this brings us right back to the predicament we have, which is a large major self created. But when I finished some of these radiation lawsuits that I got involved in five years ago, and that's what took me back West. And one of the cases that you read about last fall involved, the people in the little Nevada and Utah towns who were downwind from the atomic bomb tests, the above ground tests in the 1950s. And I get up every morning waiting to read on the front pages, the judge's decision, it's in his bosom now, and you will see it in the newspapers any day. But I have begun to collect along with all of my legal stuff, a couple of filing cabinets, do reading in my spare time and I hope that fairly soon I can write a book, which I am giving the temporary title, \"The Rise and Decline of The Atomic Age\" or more catchy. \"Requiem For The Atomic Age.\" And that is the general focus that I want to begin with tonight, because I think that an examination, a self-critical examination of some of the big mistakes that we've made in the last 35 or 40 years in this country that my generation made, we're all involved in it. I'm not trying to point the finger at any protector or individuals, although I may lash out at somebody like Dr. Edward Teller and a few others before I'm through this evening. But nevertheless, I think that if we're to find new directions in this country, that it's important that we examine the past. And that's the reason that I'm going to spend time on to see evening. And I'm when I say the atomic age, I'm not just talking about nuclear power. The nuclear power industry is flat on its back in the United States today. And I was out at Evergreen College in Olympia, Washington two weeks ago, and I ascertained, and you will be reading about it, that the dominoes are falling in the Pacific Northwest. And this is probably a more devastating blow to the pro nuclear forces than Three Mile Island was. But what we need most of all, it seems to me is an honest examination of what we've done right and what we've done wrong. And a lot of scapegoating whether it's Mr. Watt talking about environmental extremists or the pro-nuclear people who seem to like to think that Jane Fonda is the cause of all their problems and not economics. These are the sort of things that we need to examine, but you have to begin by going back to the beginning and the beginning of the atomic age and the beginning of much of our optimism, certainly optimism about science and technology can do anything. We can do anything we decide to do, the type of things that, we have my generation talked about a great deal and boasted about and patted ourselves on the back. But what we call the atomic age was born supposedly with the explosions that Hiroshima and Nagasaki, although you can go back earlier to experiments, if you want five years earlier, the one by Dr. Fermi, some experiments in Virginia, I mean in Germany, in Hitler's Germany, but the drama that those of us of the older generation remember, of the explosion of these two bombs, the ending of a war, the unveiling of the new age as it was called, of the president of the United States, President Truman talking about the fact that science had uncovered the secrets of the universe, and suddenly in the forefront as the great man, the wise man were for the first time in human history scientists, great scientists, physicists, and they had just as Alfred Nobel had in inventing dynamite almost a 100 years earlier, produced something that certainly was a major new development, a new event in human history. And for many years, most of us excepted almost spoonfed what we were told about the atomic age, what we were told about what had been discovered, what we were told about what it promised was. And I will say certainly myself and I probably was a typical person who was ignorant in terms of science that you held these men in all that this whole development, you waited for it to unfold. And that we we're very reluctant to ask questions, because if you ask questions, you would show your own ignorance. We pretended in the beginning, at least as I read the events back then there was a lot of chauvinism and jingoism at that time, as all this were some American accomplishment, it was not, of course all science, as any scientists can tell you that each scientist, each generation stands on the shoulders of the predecessors. And the research that had led to the atomic bomb began with Ren-Gen, the Curies way back then and had evolved and many people were involved in it. And some of the key actors in our own, the climax that led to the atomic bombs were European scientists, fugitives from Hitler. So it was not an American genius as such in the beginning. Although we ourselves had developed in our university, some brilliant young physicists and they perform beautifully. But one of the things that we did that all of us remember too, is that we cloaked, we cloaked all of this in an era of secrecy. We were told from behind the veil, as it were, there was very little real discussion. There was a new priesthood, and then the politicians moved in as they always do. I ought to know and they themselves manage things later. And I remember as sort of a little vignette of that era, because I went to Congress 28 years ago as a young man from Arizona. And one of the Deans of the Congress was an old Senator from Arizona, Carl Hayden, a very quiet man, modest in many ways, but he also exemplified that period. And I don't know whether he was talking about up to atomic weapons or the CIA, it probably was the CIA. He was on the committee, was one of the watchdogs supposedly. And he told me one day, he said, \"I don't want to know what they're doing, because if I did, then I would be responsible.\" And that sort of in a vignette, it was an example of that period in the 1940s and 1950s, we accepted what we were told. We didn't want to know too much. And in the end, at least as I read that period of history, we the leaders, the people that knew got carried away with reality, we inflated things, we exaggerated, and this tendency showed up in the beginning, our own grandiosity, you might say. The military man who was the head of the Manhattan project, General groves told President Truman told one, and all privately that this achievement that had taken us four years to accomplish that the Russians, if they could do it at all, it would take them 20 years or more. Of course he was terribly wrong. They did it in exactly the same time that we did. But this was the kind of thinking that was dominant in our national life at that time. Later on and you can go back, I've been doing a lot of reading, a lot of reading to prepare for my lawsuits and some more to prepare for the books that I hope to write some time about the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. And there was a very understandable desire. I think all of us had we been participants, maybe there was some people here who were involved in some way with the Manhattan project, wanted it not just to be bombs or military something, military, but to be a transforming event in terms of human life and human society. And so there was talk from the very beginning about peaceful uses couldn't this be turned in a peaceful direction and the real candid scientist, Oppenheimer most notably, well, others like Dr. Conant and others who had supervised the whole project for President Truman were very reluctant as scientists, good scientists would be to talk much about it. And they said those who did said what we don't know. We hope that there will be a peaceful side to this, but a lot of research and development will be needed. And that's a long way down the road, but the politicians don't like to wait a long way down the road. And, as they began to crowd in the 1950s, they wanted results now. And one of the results militarily, and one of the things that I think one could make the least criticism off today, certainly in terms of how nuclear power should have been developed and used, although this was a military use, the model was Admiral Rickover in the submarines, but on a scale, this was a very small scale and it was done with great care and so on. And yet by the middle of the 1950s, President Eisenhower was not only talking being prompted to tell talk about Atoms For Peace. There was an international conference in 1955 in Geneva, and this whole optimistic, super optimal picture about the future was unveiled. And there began to appear articles by journalists who didn't know very much, they usually don't, and by politicians who know less about this glorious future, and there was talk about atomic automobiles and atomic airplanes and atomic helicopters. Well, anything that one could think of that would transform human life in the future, it would be done and it would be done atomically. And this would be an unending unlimited source of power of energy and we would have a future that would be transformed economically and in terms of science and technology. And this resulted of course, in a kind of a boomer promotional, patting ourselves on the back attitude that not only would these things be done, which we hadn't accomplished, but that it would result in offering the United States an opportunity to share our technology with the rest of the world. And if we solve the energy problem, the rest of the world would benefit and this again, was very understandable, very human, because this country is generous. And if we had achieved in our laboratories, something that would be beneficial, we ultimately would want to share it. In fact, we would be too indiscriminate. It turned out and I'll get to that in a moment. But out of this developed in the 1950s, what somebody called the golden optimism and industrialists, writers, professors, even some of the scientists who were bold, began to sketch scenarios in the Sunday magazines or in other places about the things that we could do. And it was at that period of time, I've tried to trace it down. I can't find many of the atomic physicists that liked to discuss it now. The statements that were made that nuclear power was going to be such a great beneficence. And it would be so cheap that we wouldn't have to meter it. We would have unlimited electricity. The energy problem was going to be solved. In fact, we talked as though it had been solved. It was just a matter of a little research and development and so on. And in searching the record to find out who said this first 'cause once it was said by somebody prominent in the way our society works, it would be repeated as gospel, one finds Admiral Lewis Strauss, the chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, Dr. John Von Norman, one of the great scientists who was on the Atomic Energy Commission in the last years of his life and so on. And this then held forth the promise that we would not only solve the energy problem, but our whole picture where the world with regard to resources would be changed and altered. We could change the climate. In fact, we wouldn't even need the Iowa farms. We could do this synthetically, raise the food we would need. This never sounded very appetizing to me. You know, that we'd eat seaweed or something, some synthetic product, but having all of the energy, you need it, just think of that. This picture of cheap electric power, the price going down, down, down until it was almost a throwaway. And you had a hole new picture with regard to resources and now to stop pontificating and quote from what it sounded like in that period. And this is the period in the late 50s, when I was a Congressman, it was one of those, like most of you who were sitting, waiting to be told about all these new wonders, there was in 1958, some studies done, they were published just kind of white papers about the future. They were financed by the Rockefeller brothers promoting one of their brothers for president called, \"The Rockefeller Panel Studies\" got wide publicity they're printed. You can find them in the library. People who participated in those reports were people like Dean Rusk, later to be Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, Dr. Arthur Burns top level people. And they were trying to predict where we were heading in the next 10 or 15 years. And here is part of one of those reports. New technologies, more efficient extraction processes. New uses may open up new worlds. Even now we can discern the outlines of the future in which through the use of the split atom, our resources of both power and raw materials will be limitless, limitless. In the 20th century, the unprecedented acceleration of scientific advance promises that we are only on the threshold of a new age of science. The world may well be on the verge of a major revolution and available energy, already the proven resources of uranium and thorium in terms of energy equivalent, or at least 1000 times, 1000 times, the world resources of coal, gas, and oil. In other words, coal, gas and oil, were not going to be important a little way down the road. About the same time, there was a book written by a brilliant group of people at Caltech, Harrison Brown and others called, \"The Next 100 Years.\" It's in the library too although no one hopes, they hope you don't read it now. It was equally optimistic. And the other course set off because of its own authority, a new wave of this super optimistic thinking. And this too was based on the idea that we had solved the energy problem with unlimited cheap energy meant unlimited resources. We wouldn't have to worry about energy or resources in the future. The whole world was changing and here is the majestic language out of that book. If we are able in the decades ahead to avoid thermonuclear war, and if present under, if the present under developed areas of the world are able to carry out successful industrialization programs, you see hand in hand with this went the idea, the rest of the world could be like us. They could all industrialize like we did, and they would ultimately enjoy our standard of living. This sounds dreamworld today, but this was the picture that we all were riding along with in the 50s and early 60s. We shall approach the time when the world will be completely industrialized. And as we continue along this path, we shall process orders of continually lower grade until finally we shall sustain ourselves with materials obtained from the rocks of the Earth's crust, Earth's crust. The gasses of the air, the waters of the seas. By that time, the mining industry as such well long since have disappeared and will replaced by vast integrated multipurpose chemical plants supplied by rock, air and sea water from which will flow a multiplicity of products ranging from fresh water to electric power, liquid fuels, and metals. This one was given the view and in the late 50s was not something in the far distant future. Some talked about 20 years at 25 or 30, these things. This is what we would be doing right now if you go back and read what they were telling us. And this of course, because it was said by people who were supposed to know, and because so many of us knew so little and were so willing to accept these predictions about the future. That became the scenario of this new world we were moving into, I remember it well, I remember it because one of the things I did 22 years ago when I became Secretary of Interior, was to follow the recommendations of Dr. Jerome Wiesner, President Kennedy science advisor and I got myself a science advisor. He was a distinguished one, a very fine scientist, one of the best oceanographers in the country. And when we sat down to talk about resources, I started quickly got toned down because of the way I grew up and my own convictions. I was an old Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin D Roosevelt conservationist, and I thought conservation was important. And I thought resources were very important and that resources had be managed. And I was told by this scientist who was speaking these truths, that I just read that I shouldn't come down too heavy on that we were moving into a new era, a new world where conservation would not be important and resources in the old classic sense would not be important. And that it was wise for me to change my tune and in my own life, the first start of the first major, just saying the first thing that said, \"Hey, wait a minute. As we're rushing on into this new future, we better watch some of the things that we're doing now that are impairing the life support system or endangering the things that ought to be important to us.\" And that book was Rachel Carson's, \"Silent Spring.\" What I regard today as the beginning of the environmental movement, a simple book in a way, a book, some said about birds, but it was more than that, a book about poisons, but it was more than that. It was a book written by a sensitive biologist about life and the life support system and how sensitive it was. And who did Rachel Carson challenge. She challenged the agricultural industry. She challenged the chemical industry and they tried to stomp on her, unfortunately didn't succeed. And she wasn't saying she never did say in that book, if you go back and read it, no pesticides. She said no long live pesticides. And if we had followed what she was talking about, then of course we wouldn't have a lot of these long live poisons in our water and in our land and in the dumps that are in so many places around the country, but this was the beginning of change. In fact, the 1960s, the period that I was in the government and supposedly doing something to run things, which we tried to do. One had both the Rachel Carson's and other things on the other hand happening that were heightening this perception that this new world was coming at us and that we were moving into a period that would be transformed. The other major development that went hand in hand, in a sense, at least in terms of the optimism, the belief that science and technology were transforming forces, and that this would happen in a very short period of time, was the Space Program kicked off by my own president, John F. Kennedy. And we followed that with fascination, with the help of Walter Cronkite and others. And I need hardly spend any time this evening with you to point out pointing out how exaggerated and incited that was. We told ourselves as the program unfolded that you remember that the future of man lay in space, that we were going to colonize the outer space. We would take our dirtiest polluting industries, I suppose, down chemical and others to the moon and let them do their dirty work there. And this was one got the impression that the new Columbus, the future of man lay not on Earth but lay in outer space and the Space Program carried forward in a great wave. And it ended, and it's almost dropped like a rock and the silly people are not trying to revive it with the space shuttle, which is about as though television 7I think if we all got on the 747 and they, and this was the first flight everyone would gather and treat it as some great event the Space Shuttle Program, is a military program, as near as I read it and it's interesting, but I don't think it's going to change my life or yours very much. They'd be a little bit out at the margin, but nevertheless, this was part of this whole wave of optimism originally generated by the atomic beginning of the atomic age. I think some of you can remember, it's only been 14 years in July when the astronauts landed first on the moon at the cliche, there was a cliche that almost was passed from mouth to mouth for a week. This proves that we can do whatever we decide to do. I think we believe that this was all bound together. The success of the Space Program, this picture of the atomic age which we entertained. Today's science fiction is tomorrow's reality. Another statement that we heard very frequently in that period of time, and this in itself, as we all recognized, developed a tremendous, a tremendous optimism about the future belief that we were moving swiftly, then with the help of computers and other things into a new age, when things like conservation, things like resources, things like Iowa farms not be important, would be somehow become obsolete as we went along. But this optimism, this belief that science and technology were transforming the future of course, came to a screeching halt one might say 10 years ago, this fall, when we were suddenly confronted with OPEC and an oil embargo, and we found out how dependent we were on oil. And this last 10 years, of course has been a very sobering period. It's ended up being very sobering in economic terms, but it certainly has brought a lot of the ideas and the concepts of this dream factory that I've been talking about down to Earth. Certainly it's absolutely startling today. It would have been startling if it were 10 years ago now, and I were to tell you, 10 years from now in 1983, United States will get more usable energy from wood and from nuclear power twice as much. That's the fact tonight you say, oh, you're silly, crazy. That's the reality. And although nuclear power was moving on a fast track, unfortunately in the 1960s moving much too fast for its own good and got a big boost from OPEC. An enormous number of plants were ordered it too. It found its own Waterloo in the last decade. And I found myself the verdict pronounced just a year ago now when Admiral Rickover finally retired the statement that he made, he's a very blunt man when they asked him about it. And he said they got into a big of a hurry. And he said, if they had listened to me and the others that you would have have spent enormous pains and time working on mastering something on a small scale as they did with the nuclear submarines before you rushed into enormous projects. And you wouldn't have find that you were in the trouble that you're in today, so that this last 10 years has been certainly a very sobering period as I mentioned, it's been a period in which we've had to stop and rethink things. We've had to come down out of the clouds as it were. One of my favorite quotations about the Space Program and the euphoria and the optimism that it generated is something written by the late Loren Eiseley in his book, \"The Invisible Pyramid.\" And I think I'm gonna read it because it's beautiful and poetic. Most of what he wrote was that way, but it also is a, and he wrote it over 10 years ago, he wrote it right after the man landed on the moon and trying to get us to settle down and come down to earth. And he pointed out in the passage in this book that the type of thinking that was so common by the space promoters that this in itself was ultimately self-defeating. And he said science in our time has opened to man, the prospect of limitless power over exterior nature. It's technician sometimes seem in fact to have proffered us the power of the void as the flight where the most important value on earth. We have got to spend everything we have if necessary to get off this planet. One representative, the space aerospace industry remarked to me recently, Eiseley wrote why I asked not averse to flight but a little bewildered by a seeming desperation because he insisted his face turning red as though from some deep interpersonal struggle, because, and then he flung at me what I suspect. He thought my kind of science would take seriously because of the ice, the ice is coming back that's why. Finally, as though to make everything official, one of the space agency, administrators was quoted in Newsweek shortly after the astronauts had returned from the moon. Should man, this official said fall back from his destiny, the confines of this planet will destroy him. But where did these men intend to flee? The solar system stretched bleak and cold and crater strewn before my mind, the nearest probably planet little star was four light years and many human generations away. And I held up the magazine once more life with a picture of earth and here and here alone. So photographs are beautifully from space was the blue jewel compounded of water and living green. You had upon the page, the words repeated themselves. This planet will destroy him. Space flight is a brave venture, but upon the soaring rockets are projected all the fears and evasions of man, Eiseley wrote. We have flat across the worlds from the wild savannas to the sun lit world of the mine earth will not destroy man. It is he who threatens to destroy the earth. Well, the other realization that came to us, I think it's part of my own thesis 10 years ago, was that we suddenly realized how important petroleum was to our lives and to our economy and to our prosperity. I think myself sometimes what has been called the green revolution in agriculture is if we really trace out parts of it is far more due to cheap oil, cheap petroleum than anyone ever let on. 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not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=18.09,22.13"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be called the atomic age or not be called the space age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=22.13,26.54"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But might very well be called the petroleum age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=26.54,29.033"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because petroleum is the most versatile,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=31.47,35.65"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"probably the most precious resource on this planet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=35.65,39.35"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're about to find out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=39.35,40.35"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're going to find out in the next 15, 20 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Well, so what.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=2142.38,2144.63"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They weren't doing too well before it didn't crash.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=2144.63,2147.18"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think some of these values are coming back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=2148.44,2152.47"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I'll end on that reactionary note.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=2152.47,2154.88"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I thank you for coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=2154.88,2156.937"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(audience applauds)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=2156.937,2159.937"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(indistinct)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=2166.224,2168.724"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22678/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/022/678/original/AV203315_Environment_b.vtt?1613498357","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/022/678/original/AV203315_Environment_b.vtt?1613498357"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22679","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AV203315_Environment_b.txt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706/transcript/22679/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- [Narrator] It is my own conviction that when the historians 100 years ago or 50, or 100 years from now or 50 write a history of our time, that this period of the last 40 or 50 years will not be called the atomic age or not be called the space age. But might very well be called the petroleum age. Because petroleum is the most versatile, probably the most precious resource on this planet. We're about to find out. We're going to find out in the next 15, 20 years, just how vital it is. And in an extraordinary way, we have had a national policy. And this is something I ought to know something about because I administered that policy. That was one of my responsibilities. Our national policy for the last 60 years has been, it is in the national interest to find and use up our oil as fast as possible. That's Mr. Watts policy today, and we found it. Oil, the finding and the developing of uses for oil is something that the United States is the pioneer. We have developed all the technologies. We have found most of the oil in the world. Our oil companies went abroad to the Middle East and to other places. And the extraordinary thing when one looks at the post-war period since 1945 in the United States until the early 1970s, all of us will remember this. The price of gasoline at the pump stayed the same. 20 cents, 22 cents, 23 cents. In that range, there was no inflation. And that meant also the price of heating oil, which people were heating their homes. The price of natural gas didn't increase. The price of electricity, much of it generated in those days from oil and natural gas and cheap hydroelectric energy, actually went down. No wonder we believed these scenarios about the atomic age, because in fact energy prices were going down. There was no inflationary factor. And we were lulled into believing all of these theories and these scenarios because of what we were living, that we were living in the petroleum age. And in 1973, when OPEC reared its head, we suddenly found out how important petroleum was to our national life and how dependent we were upon it. Because that energy, if one looks then, if one looks tonight, if you shut off petroleum, it was cut off tonight. Just ask yourself how dependent you are on the burning or use of hydrocarbons. And we see the enormous influence that this source of energy, non-renewable source of energy, that our nation has been so lucky to have. And that we were the first great oil nation and now racing to become the first oil have not nation. And we could very readily in the '50s and '60s have kept our oil in the ground and used what used to be called when I was Secretary of Interior, cheap Arab oil. And we would have a lot more oil left, several decades more, but we didn't do that. And we'll pay for that sometime in the future. In any event, this was another of the rather shocking things that has made the last 10 years, made our perceptions, made the world that we look forward to, much different. And this also of course, validated environmental concerns, validated the importance of conservation. We are in fact, after a series of horrible mistakes, in better shape tonight than we have been at any time in the last 10 years, in terms of our dependence on oil and particularly our dependence on imported oil. Not because as Mr. Watt and his president would give you the idea that we have been finding more oil with his crash program to ransack the American earth, though they're not finding just a few little pools. There's not much left. We're much better off because of conservation. We have reduced substantially our need for petroleum by small cars and insulating homes and all the rest. We're using it as though it's very valuable for the first time and simple old-fashioned conservation is the key to the whole thing. And when I was out in the Northwest, talking with former Governor Dan Evans, he's been doing the power studies for the Northwest. These five big nuclear plants that they were going to build at a cost of $20 billion, they don't need them. If they adapted the kind of conservation, the best kinds of conservation being used in other parts of the country, and maybe a modest-size coal plant, they'd get by for the next 15 years, apparently without too much difficulty. So that we have begun, we have gone back to one of the oldest and most basic of American ideas, conservation and management of resources. And this is what has enabled us to begin to cope with these problems, to stretch our petroleum supplies, and to make them last and the central ideas in the environmental revolution, which a lot of people poo-pooed, and some thought of it as a fad, have become more important than it has become the title of my lecture, \"The Permanent Revolution\", and the extraordinary thing whether you look at the disaster, the mess, the Augean stables at The Environmental Protection Agency today, or if you look at our other problems, the answer, the ultimate answer is to recognize ecological principles, to recognize how valuable our land is, our water, our earth, and how we have to manage it in simple, old fashioned ways. These, I believe are the great and central lessons of our time, so that we have in a period of about 40 years come full circle back to Teddy Roosevelt and Franklin Roosevelt, and the simple old-fashioned principles of conservation in this country. This is my thesis. And I hope I provoked you and we'll have some questions in a moment, but it seems to me, as I look about, and as I read some of the polls that are being taken, that the American people in a very solemn way are coming back to the old wisdom of the importance of resource management. I know I may sound to some very conservative when I say that. One of my friends says I'm sounding more and more like Barry Goldwater. I said, well, Barry's not always wrong. And there are certain certain principles and when one comes to resources, the resources of this earth, those that are non-renewable have to be used very wisely. And if we want to use the renewables in such a way as to assure a reasonable prosperity for our own children, our own grandchildren, much less look beyond that. We have to learn to manage. We have to learn to conserve. We have to learn to learn the importance of thrift, the importance of recycling. And these are the new lessons that we have been absorbing as we are casting off the dogmas of the atomic age. At least this is my belief at this point in time. And this is the reason I'm thinking of pulling all this together if I can ever find the time, to write a book. I don't want at the same time to leave the message here or appear to leave the message that I'm deeply pessimistic. I am still a troubled optimist. I think we proved we can cope, but I think we can do it only if we recognize the importance of resources and only if we renew our conservation concepts and learn the importance of individual involvement. It's not going to be done by machines. If there's anything that I dislike at this stage in my life, it's the peddlers and promoters of new technological solutions. What's in the newspapers now, high tech, computers, and all the rest. As though we can sit back and watch television and good things will happen and that it all is simply a matter of coming up with new technical solutions. We're all going to have to be involved. We may have to sweat a little bit. We may have to do a lot of things that we weren't thinking about a few years ago and with a little prose that would also strike a positive note. I keep coming back as I look around now in my 60s, to something that was one of the great cliches during the Great Depression. Don't hear much about it now. What we hear now, and what we see on television is be number one, pursue your own goals. Be materialistic, be selfish and so on. We didn't have much, and the country was flat on its back in the 1930s. And the cliche that I'm talking about was the best things in life are free. You don't hear much about that now, because the best things in life are the things that we're supposed to buy, that we're shown every few minutes if we watch the main media of our time. It's just a whole spectacle of salesmen being confronted with sales. And yet, what are the most important values? What are the most important things that are free? Love, friendship, clean air, clean water, a clean environment, a clean out of doors, the beauty of nature. It's all there. Most of us can't see it because we have not been trained to see what is there. And this final thing that I like to read was on the mantle of a friend of mine. Margaret Murie, lives in Moose, Wyoming, in the Grand Teton National Park. She and her husband were two of the, you may remember the original organizers of the movement for the wilderness bill and the Wilderness Society. And this Margaret told me, is from a tombstone someone copied in an English cemetery, and I leave it with you as a thought to ponder. The wonder of the world, the beauty and the power, the shapes of things, their colors, lights, and shades. These, I saw. Look ye also while life lasts. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- Let's just go right ahead. Way in the back. Well, in terms of their importance today, they're not very important. I said twice as much from wood. Iowa's out here on the prairie, but I was in upstate New York and in Maine, and even they're getting the word out in the Northwest where trees grow so fast. Everybody can't convert to a wood stove, but a lot of middle income and lower income people are moving like gangbusters in that direction. And just to try it out, I did it myself in the woods, in Washington where I lived and I wrote an article later about it, and I called it \"Decoupling From OPEC\". The East coast gets its oil from OPEC. It's a matter of having control over your life. Nuclear power plants were ordered in great numbers 10 years ago, and they're being canceled in great numbers the last four years. There hasn't been a new one ordered in the last four years. So it looms as a minor place in the picture. I'm not one that would shut it all down. I think we ought to treat what's on the line as a research and development experiment and be very cautious about it. I'm very disturbed however, about spreading these plants around the world. I think we're about to find out how dangerous it is. The American Embassy in Beirut was blown up a week ago with a truck loaded with TNT. If we're going to continue to spread plutonium around the world the way we have been the promoters of spreading it. You're going to have suitcase, little nuclear weapons. That's what we're coming to. That's where we're headed. That's the main argument or one of the main arguments against nuclear power. You're going to see nuclear weapons used in this snake pit in the middle East as sure as fate. We better brace ourselves. That's where we're headed. And that's where a lot of the promoters of nuclear power were utterly naive, in my opinion. To answer your question more specifically, in the Northwest, the Northwestern part of the United States. And I ought to know, because I administered the Bonneville Power Administration. It's always had because the Columbia River is the great hydroelectric river of the North American continent. It had the cheapest, cleanest electric power there was, but then also it being cheapest, they wasted it and they were going to build the five nuclear plants and Governor Evans' committee that he's been working on for three years as I indicated, have come up with a solution that they didn't need the plants anyway, that they're learning to conserve. And there's so much to be saved by conservation. They can get by without it. So when you hear the pro-nuke people saying, well, we have to have it, the evidence points in just the other direction. Back here is incredible. That's just getting underway. We ran around the world, Korea, the Philippines, Pakistan have a nuclear plant, and we we're going to ship it all back here and process it. Ship these wastes that last tens of thousands of years. Well, that's what's happening. I wonder what's going to happen in France. There are going to be other, you can almost count on every year from now on, even with what's done now. Watch France, some of these other countries that we're going to have. I'm not saying there's going to be a meltdown, but I'm going to say there are going to be revelations as to the radiation that has escaped. And I've spent the last four years, half of mine living with radiation, living with the mistakes of the 1950s. And we don't know half of what we did and the radiation that we released. And it, like the toxic chemicals, has a very long life and is very persistent. And it's there. And we've already mortgaged part of the safety of future generations, I'm afraid. Yes. No, I don't. My brother, he took a lot of criticism from some environmentalist, helped pass the legislation through last year, setting up these waste disposal. That's one of the big problems they haven't resolved. Again, this crazy idea that we would have one national waste disposal. Maybe it'd be at Hanford. There's traffic across this country, taking wastes, trains, trucks, moving back and forth. And I've often thought that we probably would have gone much slower if we would had as a policy that if a state or a region wanted to have nuclear power, they'd have the disposal solution there in that state. Now, everybody now wants to take it somewhere else. My own candidate is the poison pit in Nevada where they did all the atomic testing in the last 30 years if you had to have one place, but that means you're going to ship it and move it with all the risks that are attendant thereto. But we just got in too big of a hurry. We didn't think through all these problems about proliferation, about safety. But frankly, the thing that's killing nuclear power right now is not any of these things. It's economics, it's economics. It's not Jane Fonda, it's economics. Yes. Right. We don't have a national policy. We have that, that's right. You've stated it better than I. Well, there's a much better dialogue today than before because the scientists and nuclear people are no longer up on a pedestal. Their feet of clay became apparent some time back. These lawsuits that I am involved in, are part of pulling back the veil to see the horrible things that they did in the 1950s and we are the only nation, not Russia, not the British, not the French, that carried out atomic bomb experiments within the United States. Now they took it out to Nevada where there weren't very many. How could scientists participate in these things? And you said, well you said \"Stewart, that was the Cold War. And there were a lot of people, scientists and non-scientists who were patriotic, patriotic enough to lie.\" That's about it. And the lying still goes on. Yes. Well, Price Anderson, there's never been anything like it. It's the only industry where the government ensures that. I voted for Price Anderson and it was passed in 1957. And I didn't consider myself, all of it was classified. The Congressman came in, here this was necessary and so on. So you voted for him. The crazy idea. I mean, nuclear power ought to stand on its own. I think the incredible thing about President Reagan on energy, is that he's dismantled the conservation programs that you had in the government. He apparently believes that the oil companies are our salvation by finding more oil and they're out struggling. They're not finding much, but the one program he wants to put billions of dollars in is the breeder reactor, which most scientists, including a lot of nuclear scientists say, no, no, no. It's rather extraordinary where we're at right now. Yes. Well, let me discuss it. He asks about photovoltaics. I want to discuss it in just a little broader way, but I'll make a prediction on photovoltaics. The government for all of his shortcomings, and I thought he had many, the one area where I put a lot of applause to Jimmy Carter was solar energy, conservation, so on. And we were pushing a lot. In fact, some of the oil companies, they're smart and they like to get on the horse of the future. They were getting into photovoltaics. Well it's kind of slowed down. Watch the Japanese, they'll pick it up, they'll run with it and we'll get the products from them in a few years from now. We're just kind of dumb in this country when it comes to energy. But despite the lack of enthusiasm in recent years from Washington, there are a lot of things going on. I'm living in Phoenix now. The solar thing is coming along very nicely indeed down there, there are home-builders that have built experimental homes, which you just won't need any power from electric power companies and provide all the cooling you need in the summer and everything else, the solar hot water heaters are going up on the houses. I don't know why out in Arizona, how anybody was able to sell clothes dryers in the first place. You can hang it out and it'll dry faster than a clothes dryer 99% of the time. Good occupation for man in the evening. And the solar energy solutions are, it's coming. If we just pushed it a little bit, more tax incentives and other things. This is one of the big ways that we can conserve so that we can stretch our oil and natural gas. We don't need enough of it. No, I am very optimistic about photovoltaic cells. In fact, the smaller solar energy things look great to me. And I can tell you, they're coming fast out in the Southwest, where we have a lot more sun than you do. No, no, I haven't. I don't have time to do that. I've read a lot. Wind energy, geothermal, these are being exploited now. They're making a contribution. See the mistake that we made, that my generation made, I believe was we were always looking for the solution. There's no the solution. We're going to need a mix to bridge through, to the future, which is going to be substantially solar. And this means if we can milk some out of geothermal and we milk some out of the wind and we can get photovoltaics and we can use passive solar, and we can learn to do other things with solar energy, we're reducing the amount of these other forms of energy we need. And we probably, if we learned to clean up that act, we're a rich country in coal if we don't gobble it up. One of the things I get very nationalistic and selfish about coal, I'd rather we didn't export it. These people that want to make some money by exporting, well let's save what we've got, and manage it wisely and learn how to use it. I think if there's any message that I would have to the so-called developing countries in which we were going to industrialize, and they were going to be like us, and we find them floundering today, the most tragic thing there is today is that countries that 10 years ago, 20 years ago, were self-sufficient in providing their own food. Mexico, Venezuela, Zambia, the countries all over the world are now because of rapid population growth, not able to supply their own food needs. And some people in Iowa say, well, gee, that's great. We'll raise all the food here and sell or give it to them. I don't see how a nation can have any integrity. As long as we're going to have nations, how a nation can have any coherence or integrity or independence, unless it can do two things. One is feed its own people substantially. And number two, provide its own sources of energy. If it's dependent on those two things, it isn't much of a country, just as with the Russians, their weakest point is that they've got to have our wheat. And I think that's great. I think it's a great force for peace that they have to have some of our farm products. And as long as it stays that way, we ought to tie ourselves in with them and keep that dependency going. I think it's a great force for peace. Couple more. Yeah, you there. A little louder. I didn't hear you. Well, Japan is in a way an exception to what I'm talking about. Of course, it's a nation that is very deficient in resources, they're deficient in energy. They're deficient in minerals, raw materials and so on. So they import, they process. And so on. They're also a very vulnerable country, most vulnerable of all. They're also because they're surrounded by the oceans, one of the best fishing nations. And of course that if we manage it right, is a renewable resource for the long-term future. And it may appear on the surface that they're an exception, but I'm just saying, and it doesn't bother me in a compact country like Western Europe. I'm not going to apply the idea too strictly, but if a nation wants to stand on its own feet and have some independence in this kind of world we live in, I think if you're dependent on energy and you're dependent on somebody else for food, I don't think you have much of a secure future. I think you're just kinda tottering there. And you're very, very vulnerable. Should we have a couple more, and then we'll retire for coffee. Yes. She asks whether we need a Department of Energy. Well, this was one of President Carter's big creations. Probably the best things The Department of Energy did were to give a real push on conservation, get solar energy programs going. The present administration didn't believe those things are necessary. And then what they really wanted to do a year ago was dismantle it saying, we don't need it, leave it to free enterprise. Well, you leave it to free enterprise. The people that just like to turn the big oil companies loose, I ought to know, I lived with them for eight years. This is a very powerful, very inventive, very aggressive industry and very greedy, very selfish. And it's an international industry. And their first loyalty is as it should be, is to their stockholders and not to you or not to the United States of America either, those that are big international company. Yes. Well, not all that much. They are doing some from Alaska and so on. I must say I don't like that either. I've just been thinking, and I know there are limits. When I talk about a wood stove, wood energy, I was on a college campus in upstate New York, where half the energy for the campus comes from wood furnaces and so on. In fact, I was on another college the next day, where they've reduced that campus in the last six years, has reduced the amount of electricity and energy they need 40%, mostly by simple conservation measures, just eliminating waste. And so I've been asking myself this period of time, where in some of the cities we've got a third of the teenagers unemployed. Gee, I think is the door is just wide open to another CC program to go out and replant the forests of this country. No, of course we're not doing it. And you know, trees are great for any number of reasons. But the people, the new trend one sees, and I think this recession we've been in is reinforcing it. There was a Wall Street Journal Article this week about the people who've gone back to West Virginia, and there, they have more control over their lives. They can raise some of their food, their vegetables in wooded areas and so on. And it sounds more like the old depression days to me, of people wanting to be self-sufficient. And I'll tell you the reason people are moving out of the big cities now, not only that the big cities have got a lot of problems. I think there are more people that want to have some kind of control over their lives. And that's what you get in small towns and middle-sized towns and in rural areas. And I think we made a great mistake historically in this country, if I can strike what maybe an, I guess it's not unpopular on this campus with the idea that we would drive the people off the farms and they would become big factories and run by a few people with productivity as the only objective. The one great difference in the 1930s, a third of the people were in small towns where farming were on the land. And that's where I grew up. Of course, those people didn't really feel The Great Depression because they were living kind of a subsistence life. And they were eating very well, better than most people do today. And they were working hard and they were in control of their own lives. So the stock market crashed. Well, so what. They weren't doing too well before it didn't crash. And I think some of these values are coming back. So I'll end on that reactionary note. And I thank you for coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36607/file/105706#t=0.0,2179.31755"}]}]}]}