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My name is Young Keel. I am professor of political science Dr. Schuman, long in anthropology and then myself have been charged with this responsibility of organizing this particular program. For this evening. I realized that all of us are very busy. And in spite of your busy schedule you could take time to come to this lecture this evening. I know we are competing with other programs on campus. In fact, I was speaker who knows this speak of another program would have liked it attended that session to himself. He told me now this particular program was funded by the title 12 committee of Iowa state university. And thanks to Dr. Charlotte Rodrick director of all the food Institute and ISU a university lectures committee. We are indeed privileged to have this particular program for this evening. The speaker this evening is Dr. Sheldon Simon, who is professor of political science and a director of the center for Asian studies of Arizona state university. Dr. Sharma's Sheldon Simon is also a former chairman of the department of political science for four years before assuming the current job as director of the center for Asian studies, Dr. Simon is indeed one of the leading experts on U S policy toward the Southeast Asia. He has published three important of books on Southeast Asia and I counted the number of book chapters that he contributed that there are 18 of them. And more than 30 articles that he published in terms of a personal background. The Dr. Simon I think, is in Minnesota. He graduated from a university of Minnesota in 1958 majoring in, I guess, politicize and economics. And he received a summer loudly in his undergraduate training with a five eight of copper. And he proceeded to Princeton university as a Woodrow Wilson national fellow, where he received a master's degree and then returned it to the university of Minnesota for his PhD in political science, which he received in 1964 to you the some idea of a kind of a publication. So you did three books that I mentioned earlier, war and the politics in Cambodia published 1974 neutralism and the U S policy published 1975 and did the RCA on state and regional security published in 1982. And the Dr. Shetland Simon is a good friend of mine. We have known for more than 12 years or so. And I'm indeed delighted to introduce my good friend fellow polka scientist and the outstanding scholar in Asian studies Dr. Sheldon Simon.\r\n\r\n- [Dr. Sheldon] Thank you, Dr. Keel. It's a real pleasure for me to be back in the upper Midwest. I'm glad you invited me in early April and not in February. As I said at their Brown bag session this afternoon I left Phoenix yesterday in early afternoon and it was about 85 degrees and bright sunshine. And I thought to myself what's it like in the upper Midwest in early April? And I thought back and I said, \"Yes there can still be blizzard.\" So I packed my old winter coat and some heavy suits. And I wasn't disappointed when I landed at the Des Moines airport and young was there to pick me up. I want to particularly thank Dr. Roderick, Dr. Keel and Dr. Wong for their invitation to be here with you at Iowa state and the fine hospitality. They've all extended to me. What I'd like to do this evening is to share with you for the next 45 minutes or so and then open it up for some discussion. Some of my observations on U S security interests in Southeast Asia, I think I was learning today about Asian interests on your campus and perhaps to kind of give a boost to those. One of the things I'd like to begin my remarks with is pointing out how important the Asian Pacific region is to this country. Generally speaking, of course the United States has historically viewed itself as an Atlantic and a European oriented society. Nevertheless, since world war two, Asia has been the location of America's two major military confrontations that is Korea and Indochina, and even more significantly since 1978 U S trade with Asia and the Pacific has exceeded that with any other region of the world in 1982 U S trade where the Asian Pacific was $15 billion more than its trade with Atlantic countries. Moreover, the rate of growth of U S investment in Asia is considerably higher than U S investment in any other region of the world. So this is an area of the world that is exceedingly important to the United States for the foreseeable future. And it's one that I think our universities ignore at their own peril. I would hope that a university of the stature of Iowa state will indeed devote more resources to the study and research of Asian issues as time goes on I make the same pitch in my own university. So I felt I should make it here as well. Looking at Southeast Asia to understand American security concerns in Southeast Asia in the 1980s requires an Asia wide perspective. Although Southeast Asia is importance to this country receded in the wake of the second Indochina war, a war that quite frankly ladies and gentlemen, the United States lost the region took on new meaning in 1979 as American policymakers perceived it to be an area linking the volatile Indian ocean Persian Gulf region with such American allies of longstanding in Northeast Asia as Japan and the Republic of Korea. The seas surrounding the five now six members of Osteon the association of Southeast Asian nations that is Thailand Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia and Brunei are viewed now by us policymakers as roots vital for sustaining international commerce thus under the Reagan administration additional U S Naval contingencies have been requested of Congress to beef up the seventh fleet in order to patrol these waters and maintain their freedom for international navigation against a growing Sylvia yet maritime presence. And from an American point of view potential threat emanating also from the oil rich Persian Gulf to a Soviet aligned into China because these, new threats in the waters of Eastern Southeast Asia require a kind of capability that the U S seven fleet may in fact no longer have the United States is also calling upon such friendly Asian nations as Japan, Australia, and the Osteon States to expand their own maritime capabilities. Looking toward the 1990s by the early 1980s then Southeast Asia was seen again in Washington as an important strategic region for this country. Not so much because of an ideological battle against world communism as had been the justification in the 1960s, but because of growing specific Soviet capabilities to disrupt international commerce and energy supplies which transit the region, these perceptions have led to renewed American interest in Asian basis. This time to assist in the rapid deployment of forces to the Persian Gulf area, should the need arise. Thus Southeast Asia is clearly linked strategically to the whole notion of the rapid deployment force buildup which began in the latter part of the Carter administration and has continued in through the Reagan administration now called instead of the rapid deployment for us the central command while American officials view bases in South and Southeast Asia, as a means of protecting sea and airline communications in the Western Pacific and Indian ocean not all Asian analysts agree with the U S desire to obtain and based facilities and deploy increased military force in the area. Some Asian analysts remained skeptical of U S commitments in the wake of the U S defeat in Vietnam. For example, in Thailand where I think it is widely believed that China offers a better deterrent to a possible Vietnamese attack than does the United states current U S military interests in Southeast Asia represent a considerable policy shift from the period immediately following the second Indochina war during the last half of the 1970s that is until the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 the Carter administration viewed the ebb and flow of world politics as essentially benign. There were tasks and understandings about India, China and the Osteon region. And the belief was that I'm talking about the belief of the Carter period. The belief was that the Soviet union and China along with the United States could come to some kind of understanding about Southeast Asia. Washington may have anticipated that even a loose Federation of Indochinese States would form with Vietnam as a leader. And that was not necessarily viewed in Washington as a negative development, nor incidentally was it viewed in Osteon at that time as a negative development the notion of an Indochina Federation led by Vietnam would presumably balanced both Chinese and Soviet efforts to dominate it by accepting aid from both and by attempting to work out a new relationship with Japan, Western Europe and over time after the wounds of war had healed even with the United States in this rather benign scenario which I think characterize the Katar period up until 79 the Osteon States could continue their economic growth relatively unencumbered by new security challenges as Vietnam concentrated on recovering from some 35 years of continuous warfare at the scene, at same time the Kotter administration's foreign policy decision makers saw a potentially xenophobic nationalism combining with the resistance to political repression within third world States. This explains I think the Carter administration is concerned with human rights as a major foreign policy issue. The kinder people reason that if Washington continued to associate exclusively with authoritarian third world regimes without acknowledging the political pressures for change operating against these governments from within their societies then the Uranian experience could be repeated to the detriment of America's position Asia, as well as it hurt the U S position in the middle East. In policy terms, this country stern was translated into a monitoring of human rights situations in the Philippines, in South Korea and at other nations communist Asian States this process was reinforced by threats to reduce or suspend economic aid to those countries which did not provide their populations with at least a bare minimum of what we in the West as civil liberties, the political costs of this policy, however soon became apparent. The non-communist Asian States frequently complained that they bore the brunt of American pressure. Well, communist States an oil rich Arab regimes whose human rights violations were much more extreme were ignored by Washington, more seriously the cost administrations adverse publicity about its Asian allies domestic political repression coincided with what appeared to be a broader U S political and military retrenchment in Asia. The juxtaposition of these developments led a number of Asian leaders to conclude that the United States was really preparing to strategically disengage from their region. Particularly worrisome was the timing for China and the Soviet union had extended their company petition into Southeast Asia by lightning on opposite sides of the new Indochina conflict. The so-called third Indochina war the one we are witnessing today, okay. The Sino Soviet conflict was extended into regional affairs into Southeast Asian affairs. As Moscow doggedly attempted to build an Asian collective security system as it was referred to in Moscow through bilateral political ties and new Naval and air bases in Vietnam and with other regional countries particularly India and further to the West. Of course, after the invasion, Afghanistan, the Chinese in response declared a counter in circle and policy based on what they referred to as an ad. He had Gemini front around which they hoped to make common cause with the United States Japan and the Austrian countries yet by appearing to align too closely with China the United States only further exacerbated its relations with the USSR and reinforced Soviet efforts to polarize Asia, thus the U S and the Soviets each fearful of the other in effect brought the cold war. Once again, into Southeast Asia America's tilt toward China in the 1980s is but the latest example of a pattern in which the United States treats Southeast Asia as a function of other policies prolonged involvement in Vietnam in the 1960s, for example reflected the view from Washington that Southeast Asia was a battlefield to contain initially an expansionist Sino Soviet block and subsequently simply an expansionist China as American views of China changed in the 1970s. So did U S policy toward an advice to Southeast Asia suddenly the United States urged Osteon to view China as a friendly state, regardless of the wisdom or accuracy of this evaluation. It tacitly suggested that Southeast Asia was of secondary importance to the United States and that its members should defer to America's judgments about China in short, an attitude of condescension The Reagan administration by contrast to Kotter has adopted a rhetoric reminiscent of the cold war days of the 1950s and 1960s. Nevertheless, in my view, Reagan rhetoric and Reagan action at least with respect to Southeast Asia is a considerably there is a disjunction between Reagan rhetoric and Reagan action. In fact, U S security policies in Southeast Asia really have not changed essentially since the days of the Ford administration that is Ford Carter and Reagan are essentially following the same security policies toward the region. The only difference between Reagan and Katar is that Reagan has dropped the interest in and public publicity on the human rights situation in the region. What explains America's overall policy then towards Southeast Asia for let's say roughly the last decade. I think it's a function of a realization that in the wake of the second Indochina war the United States has a diminished ability to be the dominant military force in the area. Both the Nixon and Ford administrations had stated that the United States would not become involved in future Southeast Asian land conflicts U S ground forces were totally withdrawn from the region and American offshore strength was also reduced. As old ships were retired from the seventh fleet without being replaced on a one for one basis. American emphasis in the mid 1970s was to provide military assistance to allied and friendly States who would assume complete responsibility for the use of that assistance in coping with their own internal security concerns or in cooperating with their neighbors commitments to Japanese and South Korean security bilateral security ties to the Philippines and Thailand. The ons treaty with Australia and New Zealand and the maintenance of freedom of the seas were stated as being from, and essentially unchanged since the end of the second Indochina war. However, while the baseline for U S force deployment in the region had been stable at about 180,000 personnel between 1945 and 1975 at the end of the second Indochina war, the draw down of us forces from both Northeast and Southeast Asia lowered the number of U S personnel in the region by 1982, less than 130,000 the lowest level of U S military personnel in East Asia since 1939, by contrast, a strong impression in the region was occurring of the rising predominance of not only Sino Soviet competition, but more importantly have a very evident growing Soviet presence embodied in a series of interventions, raging from the horn of Africa, to India, China, and including Afghanistan. At the same time, these interventions were occurring. The Soviets were in the process of building their Pacific fleet to a level deemed sufficient by some observers, to both neutralized the U S seventh fleet and even control the straits of Malacca. The major thrust of the Soviet Pacific fleet has been focused on anti-submarine and anti carrier warfare with secondary concerns related to supporting their base facilities established in Vietnam since 1980, indeed the Soviet use of Vietnamese basis has replicated for American facilities in the Philippines. The threats faced by U S bases in Japan across from the main Soviet Naval. The locations at Vladivostok and is complicated. This is a Soviet deployment in China has complicated the U S task of maintaining open sea lanes into the Indian ocean while Soviet bombers and military transport aircraft still lack extensive support for refueling the deployment of approximately 20 backfire bombers to Northeast Asia that is particularly Soviet Siberia provide the capability for attack against Asian land and sea targets at considerable distance from Soviet basis. The backfires, for example, could hit Southeast Asia with a single in air refueling procedure. Also the deployment of now approximately 120 plus missiles in the Soviet far East similarly put Thailand and the Philippines within range of a Soviet IRB AMS. So that in the 1980s there it seems to me, are there seems to me to be three threat environments which could happen in your mind regional stability and adversely affect American relations with regional members in descending order of likelihood. They include the following. In other words, from the most to the least likely most likely destabilizing element in the region is the prospect of Vietnamese military operations against the Cambodian opposition spilling over into Thailand in the course of hot pursuit. And that's already happened, or. As a premeditated step to force the Cambodian resistance enclaves further away from the border and deeper into Thailand. This occurred on at least one occasion in June of 1980 Crap Border incursions have occurred every year including this one. Although in most instances, these incursions can be explained away in terms of a kind of hot pursuit behavior the second threat environment, and somewhat less likely than the first, but still an environment that has considerable plausibility is the rise of indigenous insurgent movements, opposed to incumbent authoritarian regimes in the Philippines where this is most possible in Thailand or in Indonesia. The argument here is that insurgent movements might well increase in the 1980s as the development strategies adopted by these countries disproportionately benefit urban elites affiliated with multinational corporations at the expense of the majority of the populations who frequently dwell in rural subsistence conditions. In other words, if the fruits of development are not shared more equitably with the populations at large, and particularly in Southeast Asia where rural populations are frequently also composed of ethnic minority groups, the possibility of irredentism the possibility of enhanced ethnic conflict the possibility of insurgent movements designed overthrow to the central government. As we see today in the Philippines may well increase over the next five to 10 years the third threat environment. And the one that in my view is least likely but the one that the United States is most concerned about is the possibility over time of the Soviet Pacific fleet. Now, incidentally, the largest of the Forrest Soviet fleets even larger than the North sea and Atlantic fleet possibility overtime of the Soviet Pacific fleet attempting to interdict Southeast Asian straights or harris' Japanese shipping from bases in Vietnam and Campo chia, Russian ships, particularly if they develop the stall carrier task forces and there are now two Vista carriers attached to the Russian fleet, the Minsk and the Nova. So risk everybody know what a V stall carrier is. Vertical, short takeoff and landing carriers designed to accommodate tactical fighter aircraft, which are able to land like a helicopter take off like a helicopter, but fly like a jet Aircraft. The Soviets now have two such ships in the Pacific fleet along with their supporting battle groups if the stall carrier task groups with Marine contingence. And it's interesting that the Soviets are now deploying more Naval infantry Marines, where the Pacific fleet, if this kind of combination becomes a regular feature of Sylvia Naval deployments they could serve to be a strongly, a strong deterrent force against non-communist Asian States attempting to intervene. If one of their allies is faced with an insurgent movement that could be backed by the Soviets. What I'm suggesting here is that the Soviets for the first time are developing a capability which could interdict on the waters attempts by friendly countries to assist other friendly countries in trouble or deter the Americans from assisting friendly countries for fear of a direct confrontation with the Soviet Navy. The Soviets have not had that capability before in Asia. They are developing it. They don't have it yet, but I think they probably will. By the early 1990s, the Americans are very concerned about this. In my view, it's less of an imminent threat than the other two threat environments. That I laid out for you just previously Osteons primary concern in terms of Asian security is of course the first of those threat environments. That is the whole question of the future of capital chair. Osteons primary concern is that the Vietnamese occupation of Campo chia has succeeded in polarizing Southeast Asia. Something that the Osteon States had hoped between 1975 and 1979 to avoid what the Osteon States had hoped. Of course, was that a modus Vivendi could have been worked out between a Vietnamese controlled into China and the Osteon five. Now the Osteon six, if that modus the vendor could have been effected then presumably osteons primary foreign policy goal which was the neutralization of the region. Might've had a chance to success the neutralization in this case meaning the exclusion of American and Soviet military force, but by invading Kampuchea the Vietnamese in conjunction with the Russians because the only way that the Vietnamese had the wherewithal to invade camp with chia was to if you will make a Faustian bargain with the Soviets and in effect invite the Russians into Southeast Asian security affairs by inviting the Russians into Southeast Asia security affairs, the Chinese inevitably followed moving the Sino Soviet dispute directly into Southeast Asia because of the Chinese and the Soviets were now involved in security arrangements the Osteon countries and China by 1979, both turned to the Americans and said, you must not leave the region. You must remain here militarily in order to balance both the, so not only the Soviet Vietnamese Alliance but perhaps over time Chinese military activities in the area designed to somehow block Soviet Vietnamese expansion. So the worst conceivable scenario from osteons point of view has now been realized all the great powers are back in Southeast Asia but particularly the great powers they are least comfortable with that is China and the Soviet Union. In my view, China's military pressure on Vietnamese border is a counterproductive policy from China's own best interests, because it has given legitimacy to the Soviet use of basis in Vietnam. Paradoxically, China appears to have lost sight of its own strategic interests in the course of its historically based anger at Vietnam refusal to accept a subordinate position to China in regional affairs, insofar as China's primary concern should be the prevention of Soviet and circumvent, which in my view is its strategic interest. It needs of yet now sufficiently strong and independent to resist Soviet pressures or inducements by treating Vietnam as an adversary. However, China has only succeeded in driving Hanoi closer into the embrace of the bear. Well, we have then today is an uneasy Alliance among China the United States, and Osteon in short run. This seems to be a rather favorable situation from America's point of view, but it is potentially I would suggest to you a two-edged sword. On the one hand. The combination might well cause the Vietnamese simply to lengthen their timetable for wiping out resistance forces in Cambodia. Until I see an amnio United States have lost interest have grown, tired of being involved with resistance and simply scale down their support for that resistance. Alternatively Addy Vietnamese efforts appear to be adding to the strength of the resistance as I think has been the case over the past year or so then Vietnam has the option of moving more strongly militarily against the resistance in Thai border enclaves. It is unlikely. However, and incidentally I think Vietnam has followed both of those policy. I think it's trying to wait out the Chinese and the Americans and the ICN States. And I think it's also periodically putting military pressure on the resistance in hopes of splitting the Osteon United front over this issue. Nevertheless, it is unlikely in my view that China or that Vietnam, I'm sorry has the capacity for a sustained assault on Thailand or indeed the intention to move beyond what was formerly French into China As long as yet now follows this kind of intransigent policy toward Kampuchea. And I think Vietnam will follow this entrenchment policy toward capital chia for a long time to come. Then China becomes a crucial player in guaranteeing Thailand's integrity because it's only been China, not the United States which has said publicly and privately to the tie on a number of occasions. When, and if the Vietnamese threatened you militarily we shall respond. We shall remind the Vietnamese that they faced the possibility of a two front war. Should they cross that border into Thailand? And indeed, if you take a look at the dry season periods in 1982, 1983 in 1984 each time the Vietnamese have heated up the Cambodian Thai border, the Chinese do something on the sign of Vietnam border as well. Normally they increase artillery exchanges. The Americans in no way are willing to provide this kind of guarantee. The rest of us to say quiet uncomfortable with this whole situation, they're forced to back Thailand as a frontline state and by backing Thailand they're forced to accept China's guarantee Alaska for Malaysia and Indonesia. This is a very, very uncomfortable arrangement and the Vietnamese are hoping that it will become uncomfortable enough over time to either break osteons United front or lead to a change in osteons overall policy which will be more favorable more accepting of Vietnam's control of Indochina That's the Southeast Asian stability then center on the mainland of Southeast Asia for the time being the nub is Vietnam's fear that China wishes to restore its position in Cambodia through the Camaro Rouge or a new coalition antithetical to Hanoi. On the other hand, China's opposition to Vietnam's control of Indochina China on the military relationship between Hanoi and Moscow. If a political settlement could be achieved in Cambodia restoring that countries not alignment through a credible Chinese pledge of non-interference then over time, Vietnam might well loosen its ties to Moscow and restore some form of normal relations with Beijing. In effect, a game of chicken is being played. Neither side is willing to make the first move toward detente for fear of being seen as weak. Moreover, if China were to move first it could be deemed untrustworthy by the Osteon States. This situation is particularly beneficial to the Russians since it gives them leverage to expand their use of Vietnamese basis in exchange for continued military aid to Vietnam, if the Osteon Vietnam dispute remains at a relatively low military level, as it is now then it is unlikely that the Soviet union will exert undue pressure on Vietnam to compromise. Indeed. The continuation of the conflict at this relatively low level is probably preferred in Moscow as long as no direct Soviet military involvement is contemplated. So there isn't very much incentive for the Soviets to take an initiative to settle the conflict, nor for that matter. Is there very much pressure or incentive for the Americans to seize the initiative and settle the conflict in the short run the U S position seems quite favorable. There's minimal U S assistance involved to Osteon basically what the Americans have said is you guys take the lead and we'll follow whatever you decide to do. We'll back, it's up to Osteon to make the decisions. The United States will provide diplomatic support. And the United States has provided increased military aid particularly to Thailand where the level of assistance is now a little over a hundred million dollars a year. The Americans find themselves courted by the Osteon countries, by China, by Japan by everybody except the Soviet union. Even the Vietnamese want to have better relations with the Americans. So the Americans can be very quiet about this whole thing. They can sit back and say we'll just wait and see what happens. And we from the U S point of view this is not a bad situation at all. Everybody wants us. We are, more appreciated quote unquote in East Asia than in any time since the end of world war two. And yet we have the lowest level of military involvement. That's, it's very hard to suggest that that's not a good situation to sustain. And in the short run, it probably isn't bad but in the long run I think it is a bad policy or by bad lack of policy. If you will, the reason being in the long run you are this kind of policy simply continues to re to make more rigid. It's rigidified a word. Yes, it is. Isn't it to rigidified. The lines of conflict in the region to continue the polarization and to make it infinitely more difficult in the long run for Vietnam to break its ties with the Soviets especially when you look at the level of development of the Soviet Pacific fleet, that if you take a look at what's being built in Soviet shipyards and the general deployment pattern of the ships that are being produced in the Soviet union within 10 years, the Soviet Pacific fleet may indeed be a formidable adversary to the U S seven fleet. And if it has a combination of Indochinese spaces with its standard facilities in Vladivostok and petrol WASK you're talking about a very different kind of strategic situation in East Asia than exists today. And I, in my view that kind of development is guaranteed. As long as the status quo is sustained. Let me try to draw some conclusions here. So we have some time for discussion Excuse me Over to my concluding segment. Excuse me, just a minute. While I searched for it There has been a kind of paradox in the way in which the Osteon States and the United States have followed developments in Southeast Asia over the past five to six years. Indeed. I think it's very instructive to remember that between 1975 and late 1978, the Osteon States were prepared to accept getting dominance of Indochina. Indeed. They encourage the United States to establish diplomatic relations with Hanoi. And yet by 1979, the Osteon States had reversed themselves. Why the why of course was 200,000 Vietnamese regulars crossing the Cambodian border in effect a very important basic value among third world countries generally. And among the ASSEAN States in particular in terms of our discussion had been violated. And that value is you don't cross a neighbor's borders with your own troops. If you can engage in subversion and overthrow the government clandestinely that's one thing, but you don't cross frontiers. You don't violate frontiers. You don't occupy another country. No third world country could accept that regardless of political complexion. Interestingly, the North Koreans were not at all happy about the Vietnamese invasion of camp which she had to have never endorsed it. Indeed. North Korea is Prince Sihanouk second home after Beijing. So it's this point of view is not just limited to non-communist third world countries. Therefore what the Osteon States had hoped to achieve peacefully. They found they were unable to achieve that as a creation of a true neutral zone as a result of the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia and indeed the outcome that they would have accepted that is Vietnamese domination. They are now not prepared to accept because that domination can only be sustained through the occupation of Cambodia by Vietnamese forces. The question is, of course how do you get those forces out of the area? The Osteon States themselves do not have the military capability, even if they had the intention to cutter the Vietnamese thrust into Cambodia. Indeed, the Osteon States, as I think I demonstrated in the book that Dr. Keel referred to the Osteon and regional security, even if one aggregates all of their military forces come up with even in the numbers game, significantly fewer men at arms in the aggregate than Vietnam has in its people's army. For example osteons combined military forces are fewer than 700,000. Whereas the VPA by itself is over one and a half million. Not only that, but the Osteon militaries have never fought a conventional war. Perhaps as many as one third of their military forces are devoted to civil and administrative duties. They have, they do not have a comparable equipment. They do not have comparable doctrine. They don't operate in the same languages in charge. They are not a, they could not be a combined fighting force. As it was said to me, one of my visits to the ostium countries in recent years when I asked an Indonesian military officer what the chances were, if Thailand were invaded if the famous Indonesian airborne forces could be flown into the area and dropped into Thailand. And he said that would be the biggest fiasco in modern military history because we don't, we have no maps of the Thai jungle. 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The lack of a Soviet Connection should make Vietnam's dominant position acceptable to the PRC. Again, if each side is following its strategic interests. The prospect of this occurring however, I think still remains rather dim for the following reason: that Vietnam's primary goal in Southeast Asia is to exceed to the French position in Indochina. If you look at high-level Vietnamese policy statements consistently over the past decade or more, it is that the Vietnamese have been fighting now for 40 years to drive out the French, to drive out the Americans, to dispose of a South Vietnamese government viewed as a puppet of foreigners, in order to establish an indigenous government in Indochina, rightfully led by the Vietnamese, who were the dynamic force behind the Indochina Communist Party of the 1930s and the three communist movements which grew out of that in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. The only way the Vietnamese have been able to sustain that control when the Khmer Rouge, that is the Cambodian Communist Movement, leaned toward China in order to maintain it's independence, was to align with the Soviet Union. The only way they are maintaining 180,000 forces in Kampuchea, 40,000 troops in Laos, perhaps as many as 800,000 troops North of Hanoi toward the Chinese border is through Soviet military aid. Vietnam produces no military weapons. They all come from the Soviet Union. In short, if Vietnam is to maintain its empire for the foreseeable future, it must rely upon the Russians. To rely upon the Russians means that Vietnam must continue to provide base facilities, because that's the price the Russians are charging for the Soviet Pacific Fleet. As long as the Russians are in Cam Rahn Bay and Da Nang and they now deploy anywhere from 22 to 25 ships there on a daily basis, up from less than five ships in 1979, then the Chinese are going to keep constantly pressuring the Vietnamese to break that relationship. In short, I think we have a box that is going to be exceedingly difficult to break out of. I think I've hit my 45 minutes. So, why don't we open it up to discussion?\r\n\r\n- [Moderator] Sure. I would like to encourage you to ask questions. Maybe 20 or 25 minutes of time, would you do that?\r\n\r\n- Sure, sure. Sir?\r\n\r\n- [Audience 1] Do you see an increasing role for Japan on this scenario?\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Well, Japan, of course, has maintained and wishes to keep on maintaining a very low military profile. Nevertheless, as I indicated in the first part of my talk, the Americans are increasingly, as you probably know, increasingly pressuring Japan to embark upon a much larger maritime role than they have in the past. And initially under Prime Minister Suzuki, and now under Prime Minister Nakasone, the Japanese have agreed to enhance their Naval capabilities, in particular. And along these lines, I think some very significant developments are taking place. For example, Japan is facing a very, very painful budget deficit situation. They have had to cut back spending in virtually every area of government affairs, particularly social welfare. The one area they have not cut back on is defense. And this year they've raised the defense budget by 6.5... This year, the defense budget is 6.55% of the total budget. No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. They've raised the defense budget 6.55%. This brings it to just a tad under 1% of gross national product, which is a kind of a magic figure for Japanese governments. We won't spend over 1% of GNP on defense. Nevertheless, it's the only category of government spending that has increased in this year's budget as a kind of symbolic gesture to the Americans. How are the Japanese spending the money? Well, the Japanese, beginning in '76 developed a defense program outline, which will by the 1990s, presumably, lead to a maritime capability designed to monitor the seas within a thousand miles of Hanchu. That'll be roughly down to Taiwan. The ASEAN States have been very sensitive about the notion of a Japanese fleet coming down into ASEAN waters. And Nakasone has, on a number of occasions, reassured the ASEAN leaderships that this thousand-mile deployment, or monitoring responsibility, would not extend into ASEAN waters. Interestingly, though, in my interviews in the area, when I asked ASEAN analysts and some government officials whether or not they, in fact, are going to see a Japanese deployment. It's interesting if you ask them what do you prefer? Most of the military... most of the government leaderships with whom I've had a chance to talk would prefer not to see Japanese maritime forces in ASEAN waters. There are exceptions to that; Singapore is a major exception. But if you ask them: what do you think is going to happen within the next 10 years? The response almost invariably is: we're going to see the Japanese Navy out there. Now, if you're going to see the Japanese Navy there, what kind of Japanese Navy is most acceptable? And the response then is: the kind that's most acceptable is a Japanese Navy that's operating in tandem with the U.S. 7th Fleet, as a part of the U.S. 7th Fleet, as a kind of detached group working with the U.S. 7th Fleet. What the ASEAN States... Leaders and analysts, with whom I've talked to at least, seemed to fear is that the Americans are asking Japan to replace them so that the U.S. 7th Fleet can deploy into the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf. And in fact, leave Southeast Asia and the Western Pacific to the Japanese fleet. Now that, I think, is a distortion of U.S Naval policy but it's, I think, a pervasive kind of concern in Southeast Asia. That when the Americans are encouraging the Japanese to build up their Navy, what they're really saying is: we want to leave the Western Pacific to Japan, and we will deploy closer to the source of Persian Gulf oil with our 7th Fleet. So, that's kind of a long-winded answer to your question, but I think there is a belief that the Japanese Navy is going to be moving into the area within the next say, 10 years. Given the slow pace of the Japanese buildup, I would guess that it will be at least 10 years and probably more before Japan has the kind of capability necessary to monitor those waters, even in conjunction with the United States. The buildup is very slow. Very slow. Yes?\r\n\r\n- [Audience 2] I wanted to ask about what impact any effort at normalization of relations between the United States and Vietnam would have on the actors that you identified? Would it have any of the kind of impact that the movement towards normalization in the early 1970s with the PRC and the kind of changes in relationships that occurred at that juncture in East Asia?\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Well, my own personal position, as you may well have guessed, is that that I would like to see the United States move toward at least exploring normalization with Vietnam, but it would have to be done very carefully. Because the one thing we wouldn't want to do is establish a tenuous relationship with Hanoi and sacrifice what are currently very good relations, let's say with ASEAN. And even with China, let's say. How do you do that? How do you have your cake and eat it too, so to speak? It seems to me the United States should begin by meeting with the ASEAN States and trying to convince the ASEAN States that the current policy is a no-win policy. Everybody's going to lose in the current policy in the long run. That the one way of breaking out of that policy would be for the Americans to provide Hanoi with an option to exclusive reliance upon the Soviet Union. But you have to get ASEAN on board before you can make any public moves. I think that's the first obstacle. The first obstacle is ASEAN. Second obstacle, obviously, China. How do you convince the Chinese that a U.S. move to normalize with Vietnam is not a stab in the back to Hanoi or to Beijing? Here, I think you have to stress China's strategic interests. And that might be possible if the Americans were to say: let us explore normalizing relationships with Hanoi in exchange for Hanoi agreeing to cutting back or restricting Soviet access to the Vietnamese bases to the level prior to 1979, when the bilateral Treaty Of Friendship And Cooperation was signed between Hanoi and Moscow. Actually it was signed in '78, but it was in '79 that the ships began to really come in. There were Soviet ships there then. In other words, we're not asking the Vietnamese to totally break off their Soviet relationship, but we're asking that the military aspect of that relationship be reduced. That would be, of course, beneficial to China's strategic interests. If the Chinese can be convinced along those grounds, then I think you've got a real chance for a normalization of relationships with Hanoi and an easing of tension in the area. Now, if you ask me, is that going to happen? Probably not. Yeah?\r\n\r\n- [Moderator] Let me just go back to the first question you responded to. In terms of the Japanese economic involvement in Southeast Asia, what is the perception from the recipients of that or from the other parties? And the Japanese... how do they perceive the Japanese, in that sense?\r\n\r\n- Right. Let me... there are two ways to respond, here. Let me respond to you briefly by linking the economic and the military side for a second, because one of the interesting reactions you get in ASEAN about, let's say the development of a Japanese... significant Japanese military presence offshore in the area is, look, we don't really fear that Japan is going to invade as they did between '41 and '42. But what we're concerned about is: Japan is already the dominant economic actor in the area. If you combine its dominant economic position with an increasingly important military position in the region, that is going to be so overwhelming that the politics of the area are simply going to be drastically modified. And our ability to deal with Japan is simply going to be reduced. Diminished. Therefore, we don't want to have a Japanese military buildup. I mean, it's the combination of the economic and the military that's simply going to be overwhelming to us. On the other side, it's true, as you undoubtedly know from your own research, that Japan is either the number one or number two... in most cases the number one... I guess the number one trade partner now with, I think... I think all of the ASEAN countries. And it's either number one or number two in investment with the U.S. sharing that position. And if you visit any of the Southeast Asian countries, Japanese products are ubiquitous. They're everywhere and Japanese companies are everywhere. So it's become very much... Japan has obtained a co-prosperity sphere. There's no question about it. They just did it a couple of decades later. Yes?\r\n\r\n- [Audience 3] What would be the problem with Soviet response to the U.S. trying to normalize relations with Hanoi?\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] That's an interesting question. One could argue that there might be Soviet analysts who would say hurrah. You know, that'll help get us off the hook. You know, we're throwing money down this rat hole, and that's exactly the way the Soviets are saying it. The Soviets are very upset with Vietnam because there's tremendous corruption in Vietnam. The Soviets are very unhappy with the way their aid is being used. In fact, they've sent in literally thousands of people to try to monitor the aid and control it. The Vietnamese are very upset about that. They have put economic pressure on Vietnam by reducing the aid in some categories in hopes that the Vietnamese will get their act together. There's a lot of tension in that aid relationship. And I think the Soviets welcome U.S. aid as a way of kind of sharing the burden. With a belief that as long as that aid isn't too much, the Soviets will still be able to maintain their dominant position in Hanoi. So, they might, you know... It could well be like the situation in Cuba where the Soviets could, you know... I think similar... The Soviets could say, Boy, if the Americans want to come in and aid Cuba, welcome to it. Because it's going to use our burden a little bit. Now this is the argument also that the Reagan people raise against providing American aid to either Cuba or Vietnam. Because they would argue, look, it's not going to change the political orientation of either Hanoi or Havana, and it's really only going to help the long-term Soviet position in the area. I don't think that's necessarily true. I think what it does is to offer options to Vietnam and one on the one hand, or Cuba on the other. And when these options are available, then it seems to me, there are differences in foreign policy positions, which can be supported. That Hanoi and Moscow don't necessarily have the same interest in foreign policy. Mm hmm?\r\n\r\n- [Audience 4] Is Islamic fundamentalism a potential problem or strength to Malaysia's and Indonesia's stability?\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Yes, I think it is. Particularly in Malaysia now. It seems to be under better control in Indonesia. In the military government in Indonesia, plus a much longer kind of a secular tradition in Java, that predates the introduction of Islam, make it less of a political issue or more controllable an issue in Indonesia. In Malaysia, however there is a... I think a kind of disturbing rise in the political importance of Islamic fundamentalism manifested in such ways as attacks, depredations against Hindu temples, for example, movements against the dominant UMNO, United Malaysian National Organization, for being too secular. Groups of Malaysians who clandestinely have visited Iran and been trained by Khomeini adherence. The Mahathir government is very concerned about this. And I think rightly so. And I think there is that potential for a Malaysian fundamentalist insurgency in Malaysia. And I think one kind of an interesting area to watch with respect to it is how the Malaysians and Thais cooperate in that border region where some of the more fundamentalist groups have tended to gather in Southern Thailand. Although, they're really interested in using that as a base against the government in Kuala Lumpur. But that's a fascinating issue. The role of Muslim fundamentalism in the region. And Malaysia, I think, is the country to watch with respect to it. Less so, interesting enough, the Philippines. I think in the Philippines, although it's the most active rebellion, the Moro Rebellion in the South, in my reading of that situation, I think it's much more a function of the ineptitude of the Marcos government in dealing with it than in really genuinely, very strong fundamentalist Islam. I don't think the Muslim movement in Mindanao is as fundamentalist as the Malaysian movement is.\r\n\r\n- [Audience 4] What about economic development? You told us, especially Malaysia, has been experiencing a rather robust economic growth? Does that alleviate part of the pressure from the fundamentalists?\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Yeah I, well, hmm.. Gee. I don't know. I really can't answer that because I don't have data on the socioeconomic group background of the fundamentalists in Malaysia. I don't know if they really represent a particular SES background or if they're spread across SES backgrounds. So, it's an excellent question, I just don't have the data to respond.\r\n\r\n- [Moderator] There are some students from Malaysia here in the audience, is that right? Would you like to comment on that, maybe?\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Please.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] They're both from Malaysia.\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Uh-huh. Three, okay, hah.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] Yeah, there are three of us. And, yeah, Muslim fundamentalism is not really on the rise in Malaysia. While there are several incidents in Malaysia once in a while but the Mahathir government has coped with it quite well.\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Oh, I think it's following a very intelligent policy, but I think I would disagree with you as to whether it's on the rise. I think it is.\r\n\r\n- [Audience Member] Well, thank you, but, the most significant things there to watch out is a lot of, I couldn't say the number of Malaysian students, especially Muslim in the United States, that's been, hmm, I might say, supported by Iranian or radical Muslim groups in the Middle East. Not only for send the Malaysian from Malaysia to Iraq, but they form some kind of training center in the United States, too.\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] The Malaysian government has actually in recent months been trying to search down and crack down on Malaysian students abroad who have been clandestinely associating with other Islamic fundamentalist groups. And there's the threat of having their passports yanked and so on. Now it could be... I mean, one argument is that perhaps the Mahathir government is overreacting on this issue. If one believes what the Mahathir government is saying Islamic fundamentalism is a serious issue in Malaysia and needs to be dealt with. I think the Mahathir government is doing, as you suggested, a good job with respect to the way it's coping with these issues. especially in a multiethnic society as Malaysia is. On the other hand, the impact of Islamic radicalism worldwide, at least for the time being, seems to be affecting Malaysian stability, or at least inter-communal harmony. And it's that kind of extremism that Southeast Asian governments really can't afford to let become too rampant because the ethnic mix in almost all Southeast Asian societies is such that you've got a very delicate kind of communal bargain that's struck. And when one side or the other appears to violate it, you have the kinds of riots that occurred in Malaysia in 1969, or that periodically break out in Indonesia. And that kind of situation to be avoided whenever possible, especially when the governments of the ASEAN States are trying to encourage foreign investment. It's very... You know, foreign investors, one thing that will drive them away immediately, is if it appears the country is unstable. Mm hmm, yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- [Audience 5] Okay, if we do get a president who wants to solve the Asian conflict do you think that Congress and the public will agree with him or that we're still gun shy after Vietnam?\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] That's an excellent question. Initially, back in the late 70s, the Carter administration was urged by a number of people to make a move toward Hanoi, because that was the time when ASEAN wanted the United States to normalize relations. It was before the Soviets had become deeply involved, and so on. But, for a variety of reasons, the Americans refused to do it. One was clearly the point you just raised. That is wounds of a war... The first war the Americans lost were very, very tender and no political leader felt he could risk his career. In fact, Carter thought that if he made a move toward Hanoi, he might even be impeached. It was that dicey a situation. Moreover, the United States then decided to move toward China. So, as the Chinese-Vietnam situation began to deteriorate in 1977, as the Vietnamese moved against the ethnic Chinese in Vietnam, then you had a double reason not to move toward Hanoi, because if the Americans decided to normalize with Vietnam, they could well have obstructed what for the Carter people was a much more important goal that is normalizing relations with the PRC. So, the one opportunity that existed between '75 and '79 never was taken for a whole variety of reasons. I think the kind of sensitivity about Vietnam that existed in the late 70s has, to a certain degree, diminished now as a political issue. I think the United States could make some of the movements along the lines I suggested. Initially with ASEAN, and so on. If it was sold to the American public in terms of long-run American strategic interests, and particularly vis-a-vis the growing Soviet presence in the area. If it can be sold as a policy that would diminish growing Soviet capabilities, I think that's the way it could be sold politically to the American public. So, I do think times have changed.\r\n\r\n- [Moderator] Maybe one or two more questions. Dr. Simon had a very long day today. He had a lunch hour seminar, as well, which some of you attended. One or two more questions, or...?\r\n\r\n- What's the likelihood of...\r\n\r\n- Sure.\r\n\r\n- [Audience 6] ...the internal breakdown in the Southeast Asian Countries?\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] You mean internatal revolution or...\r\n\r\n- [Audience 6] Right, something along the lines of economic...\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Well, I think generally... we're talking about the non-Communist Southeast Asian States, right? The ASEAN countries, right? I think generally the ASEAN countries are really in pretty good shape in terms of social stability. I don't see any imminent social upheaval of the type that could, say, overthrow a government by a mass movement. That's quite distinct from coup d'état. You might find there a number of countries where you could find coup d'état occurring. For example, coup d'état is normal way in which Thailand changes its government. There's nothing unusual about that in Thailand at all. It's virtually institutionalized in Thailand. But I'm generally fairly confident that for the foreseeable future, the social situation in most of the Southeast Asia is fairly, fairly decent. One possible exception is obviously the Philippines. And the Marcos situation. But even in the Philippines, I think the most probable development there when Marcos leaves office, assuming he doesn't die in... well, even if he dies in office, I think what you're going to find in the Philippines is a combination, the moderate opposition, some elements of the current Marcos government, particularly the technocrats, people like Virata, who is the Prime Minister, and elements of the military, coalescing to form a new government. In short, if you look at the opposition in the Philippines, other than the New People's Army, which still isn't terribly strong, they're basically mirror images of Marcos. Their major complaint about Marcos, quite honestly, is that he overstayed his welcome. That he didn't do what most Philippine political leaders have done. And that is stay in office long enough to feather his nest and get out. Let somebody else feather his nest. The opposition are the same elite. They come from the same social classes. They inter-marry. The members of the opposition are cousins of Marcos, for example. It's a relatively small, very talented, well-educated, very wealthy group of perhaps a hundred families who formed the dominant political groups in the Philippines, and normally simply exchange leadership positions. Marcos violated that norm when he decided to stay in office. And what the moderate opposition is really saying is it's our turn, you know. Get out and we'll do it. The opposition to the U.S. bases has the same kind of explanation. I had dinner about a month ago with Senator Salonga who was visiting Phoenix. A major opposition figure. And his rhetoric in the course of a presentation, somewhat like mine this evening, was that the U.S. bases should... the Philippines should do away with U.S. bases, that they are a device whereby Marcos is supported, that the aid United States gives to the Philippines is simply aid used to maintain a repressive government power. Well, afterwards I was talking with him and I said, well, do you really feel that the ASEAN States are wrong, then, in asking the United States to stay in the region? The ASEAN States have been pressuring the Philippines to maintain the U.S. bases. And he said to me, well, we're not against the bases. We're against... We're against the fact that the bases are being used to keep Marcos in power. When we come into power, he can keep the bases. That's all right. As long as we get a good financial arrangement. Because that's an important component of the Philippine economy and the Philippine budget. The government's budget. But in opposition, you adopt an anti-bases rhetoric because that's a way of hurting Marcos.\r\n\r\n- [Moderator] There's also... Dr. Simon. I like to use my privilege as Chair here. If I may ask you this question.\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Please.\r\n\r\n- [Moderator] President Reagan visited Japan and South Korea last November, he was to visit the ASEAN countries, but he did not accomplish that. So, when do you think President Reagan will have a chance to visit those countries? And if so, should he go and accomplish his trip?\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Right. As I recall, I think he is going to visit Indonesia after he visits, either before or after he visits the PRC. But I think only Indonesia, is that correct? I think that's what I've read. And that's good because the country that was most upset about the decision to cancel the visit because of the Philippine situation was Indonesia. The Indonesian reaction was fascinating. They were enraged by the Reagan decision, the President's decision to cancel his trip. Now, from the standpoint of the United States, that seems like a strange reaction. Why should Indonesia be upset? Because it had nothing to do with Indonesia. It was because of the Philippine situation. Well, that's the reason Indonesia was upset. Because it had nothing to do with Indonesia.\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Indonesia views itself as primus inter pares in Southeast Asia. In other words, that it is the leader of ASEAN. And if the U.S. President is scheduled to come to Indonesia and he cancels the trip because of something that went on in another country that implies what went on in the other country is more important than Indonesia. And the Indonesians were furious about that. Really angry. And so it's very important that Reagan visit Indonesia. They're still not happy that he's not making a separate trip to Indonesia. That he's including it on a trip to China. Again, from the Indonesian point of view, that's a terrible thing to do. Because the Indonesian relationship with China, as you know, is. ....\r\n\r\n- [Moderator] Isn't that what happened when President Ford made a trip to China some years ago? I think in 1977 or 8, on his way back to the United States, he had dropped in Jacota, I believe. So, on behalf of those of us who are present here this evening, and particularly Dr. Cho Roderick, who sponsored... Us, this interest group on South East Asia to invite Dr. Simon this evening. I would like to thank you for your excellent presentation and we learned quite a bit. Thank you for that.\r\n\r\n- [Lecturer] Thank you.\r\n\r\n- [Moderator] I'd like to make one brief announcement, which is a reception to take place to talk to Dr. Simon and all of you are welcome and invited, and I going to give an address on the blackboard here. So please come and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36665/file/105819#t=0.0,1952.088"}]}]}]}