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We knew that we were going to be talking about religious feminism and how relationships between men and women and persons and persons affect our relationships to the environment. And those of you who were here last night for Dr. Ruether's talk, learned an awful lot about that. And, briefly, she traced the history of different religions and suggested that each of them was not only deeply patriarchal, that is primarily run by men, but also misogynist, that is quite capable of offering arguments from the theological resources of each tradition for why the religion ought to be run by men. She also showed how these religions had influence on wider society and suggested that the dominance of men over women in many religions is reflected in our attitudes toward nature. Nature is often regarded as a woman in poetry and mythology and the arts, and as a female, sort of Mother Earth, which is to be plowed and exploited by men or man. And I accused Rosemary last night after her speech of saying some audacious things, but never anything as audacious as the claim that plow agriculture was responsible for most of our problems between men and women at a place like Iowa State. And I told her that one of the first things I saw when I came to campus in 1982 is a beautiful Grant Wood mural in the library of a pioneer man breaking open the sod and being assisted by a woman who is bringing water to him. And right outside, I think, on that same building is a quote by, I think it's Webster, that says, \"Where tillage begins, all other arts follow.\" So it's not quite safe to call into question agriculture around here, but she did. And with the purpose, I think, of asking to what respect are relationships between men and women mirroring the relationships between humans and the earth? When we were planning the conference, we wanted to make sure not to leave the discussion at an abstract and philosophical or theological level, in the bad senses of those words. And so we wanted to have a panel discussion tonight where we would bring some of those concerns down more to a local level. And so we've invited two guests to come talk to us, both of whom are Ames residents, and give us their views about the moral values that university research has served and can serve in this area. The way we'll proceed is I will introduce our first speaker and after she's done, I'll introduce the second speaker. And then Professor Rosemary Radford Ruether, whom I won't introduce, assuming that most of you have been, as I look around the room, most of you have been to at least one of the other sessions, will respond to those two speakers. At that point, all four of us will squeeze up here behind the table, and I'll give Deb and Pat a second chance to say whatever they want. And then we'll open it up for questions. Deborah Fink is an independent scholar with a PhD in anthropology from the University of Minnesota. She's the author of \"Open Country, Iowa: \"Rural Women, Tradition, and Change,\" published by the State University of New York Press. She earned her Master's Degree in Anthropology at Iowa State, and has recently completed a year as a Rockefeller Fellow at the University of Iowa, where she worked on the topic of rural women and feminist issues. She has served on the faculty at the University of Iowa, teaching courses in women's studies, a role she has served here at Iowa State as well. She's also taught in the anthropology departments of Iowa State, Grinnell College, and the University of Minnesota. In addition to having written the book \"Open Country,\" and having another one just about ready to come out I am told, Dr. Fink has authored many articles in the area of rural women, feminism, and agriculture, including these: \"Farm Wives and Agrarianism \"in the United States,\" \"Iowa Farm Women in the 1930's: A Reassessment,\" \"Rediscovering Small Town Violence,\" \"War Holds Back Nicaragua's Rural Women,\" and \"Constructing Rural Culture: Family and Land in Iowa.\" Dr. Fink has been invited to address audiences at Mankato State University, the University of Nebraska, the University of South Dakota, Grinnell, Augustana, and Grand View Colleges. She is no stranger to our campus having given invited lectures here half a dozen times in the last 10 years. Please join me in welcoming Dr. Deborah Fink.\r\n\r\n- [Dr. Fink] Thank you. In 1963, in a major university not far from here, a graduate student wrote a doctoral dissertation on how to get farmers to adopt a powerful new pre-emergent herbicide. Among the findings were that farmers who were favorably disposed toward this herbicide were more highly educated than others. They were more able to deal with abstractions. They were more cosmopolitan in their orientation. They were more secure. They had what the dissertation called favorable attitudes toward science. Farmers who farmed with chemicals were progressive and scientific in contrast to what the study called laggards, who used informal sources of information for their farming. In short, good farmers would accept the herbicide. Dumb, backward farmers wouldn't. If you were a farmer, which group would you want to belong to? The dissertation was thoroughly done and well documented with charts and tables, but there were some aspects of marketing this herbicide that did not get explored. First was the role of the chemical company that had developed the herbicide and was trying to make a profit from selling it. The company had, in fact, funded the research and it is surprising that this acknowledgement was not included. Although it is not entirely clear from reading the dissertation, it seems that the company also structured the format of the research and framed the major problem. In sum, the research appears not to have grown out of the logical development of the student's discipline, but rather out of the company's bottom line. A second area of which the dissertation avoided was any discussion of the product itself. We find only a cell of the entire process of inventing, developing, testing, and marketing the herbicide. The student and his advisors, both in academia and industry, were able to turn out a coherent, well-controlled report in part because they lifted out the problem at hand and left the wider questions for others, if there were any others who would explore these issues critically. Anyone who has written a dissertation, or otherwise learned to do research and writing, knows how diffuse these projects can be, and how much discipline is required to define, limit, and clarify an appropriate question. Here it was done by considering the uses of the herbicide in terms of the contingencies of the corporation, and sidestepping the questions of the uses of the herbicide in terms of the well-being of farmers, consumers, society at large, or the natural environment. Also outside the bounds of this research was the pesticide controversy which was gathering momentum in 1963. Just one year before, in 1962, Rachel Carson had published the \"Silent Spring,\" a book containing grave warnings about the effects of herbicides and pesticides on the entire ecosystem. These chemicals were destroying wildlife, contaminating water supplies, polluting the air, and poisoning our food supply. While President Kennedy and his advisors were deeply moved by the \"Silent Spring,\" chemical companies, including the one just discussed, and scientists from major universities, including the one not far from here, joined in a criticism of the book. And not incidentally, of Rachel Carson as a person. Here was an old maid, who's field was marine biology, attempting to tell them about chemicals. What interest, they said, could an old maid have in the future of the earth? She cared more for birds than children. She had endangered the entire nation with her romantic notions about the balance of nature. Attacks on her said that she was emotional, anti-technological, and non-progressive. She substituted sentiment and nostalgia for scientific facts. Rachel Carson did not understand that human history had always been a struggle against nature, an ancient war against plague, pestilence, and famine. Loss of pesticides and herbicides would mean a 50 to 100% loss of crops. While the scientists were refuting the emotional, unscientific prose of Rachel Carson, the university continued to receive money for its herbicide project from the major chemical company, the last money for this project coming in 1965. They were not going to be swayed by an emotional spinster who didn't even have a PhD. Let scientists solve the problem of science. Yet, in due time, after farmers had spread this herbicide on their fields for years, after the chemical company had marketed it and made its money, after the graduate student was a faculty member, the herbicide was discovered to be extremely toxic and was banned from use in this country. This was no small feat in light of the toxic chemicals that have continued to be used. But this chemical must have been dangerous enough to really catch some people's attention. In retrospect, we can see the harm that this project brought. Most of us recognize the shortsightedness and self-serving quality of the attacks on Rachel Carson and her work. But do we understand the way that this contradiction arose out of the structure of scientific inquiry? I want to leave the juxtaposition of Rachel Carson and the herbicide marketing before you as I explore some of the underlying realities. First, I submit that science is not disengaged from the political and social events that happen in the world around it. Science is deeply political. I'm not talking about bad science being political. I'm not talking just about the soft social sciences being political. I'm talking about all science, including biology, chemistry, and physics being political. Science responds to the forces of power within our society. Science is accountable to these forces. Science is not a detached, value-neutral pursuit. Science exists only within a social context and it takes it shape in terms of social forces. Here I could talk about the relation of science to different dimensions of social power: race or class or nationality. What I want to focus on is the politics of science in terms of gender. Science is gender-imbalanced in terms of personnel. It is heavily male-dominated, especially what we term the natural sciences. The problematics of science, therefore, tend to be shaped by a male consensus. If we look at such things as the Manhattan Project to develop an atomic bomb, the structure of medical research, the pattern of research on chemical insecticides and herbicides, we see that the direction of science is not shaped by eternal scientific truth, but rather by the power structure of society and the values of those with the power to fund research or withhold funding for research. This power structure is not accidentally, or incidentally, predominantly male. Going beyond the gender of scientists and the structure of scientific problematics, we can point to the social and political contingency of the very nature of scientific truth. While we readily believe that knowledge in the social sciences, economics, political science, sociology, and psychology, rests on the social and political structure, some would deny the political contingency of the natural sciences, chemistry, biology, and most of all, physics. These natural sciences often get presented in an empirical, positivist mode as truths that are separate from superstition, irrationality, and public opinion. Of course, when we look at the history of science, we see many instances in which social value shaped scientific truth. Nazi science, which demonstrated the racial superiority of Aryan people, went hand in hand with the political system which enshrined the supremacy of Aryan people. In medical history, we find medical knowledge about women that reflected male beliefs about what women were supposed to be doing. For example, there was the finding, and this hasn't been as far back in history as we might wish, that a woman's use of her brain for analytical thinking would draw vital energy away from her womb and render her sterile. This knowledge went hand in hand with a Victorian social structure and a political system which relegated women to the home and assigned women's worth in terms of their ability to reproduce. More recently, there were scientists who defended the safety of DDT. Other scientists are currently insisting that the Agent Orange defoliant used in Vietnam did not harm people. All of these findings have supported an entrenched corporate and political structure. These examples indicate not just that the findings of science shape the way people live together, but also that the way people live together shapes the findings of science. But if it isn't specific findings that are eternal and unvarying, is it perhaps the logic and method of science that removes it from political contingency? No, when we look at scientific method, we see different methodologies in different fields rather than one scientific method. If we're talking about scientific method in terms of controlled experiments, induction and deduction, we see these used in a wide variety of settings. Human infants, apes, and other non-scientists use these methods. They can hardly be the defining characteristics of science, the things that make science different from other ways of thinking. But perhaps it is the attitude toward scientific truths that makes science different from superstition and other beliefs. We have the claim that scientific facts must be subject to refutation, contrary to religious and artistic truths. Scientists must be prepared to reject any fact that cannot be proved. Yet, there are scientific beliefs that are simply accepted such as physicists' belief that there are no uncaused physical events. Such basic premises of science remain just as there unproved foundations in other systems of belief. And we know that premises once regarded as true become false in other historical contexts. Or some premises once regarded as false become true. In mathematics, I would point to the distinction between countable and uncountable infinity and the square root of minus one as concepts that were once unacceptable and are now accepted within the community of mathematicians. We can deconstruct the inviolable value-free science, the science that doesn't depend on public opinion or social acceptance. But what does this leave us? Are we without truth? What do we have? Having asserted the political and social nature of scientific truth, I propose that rather than trying to transcend the messiness of uncertainty and ambiguity, we embrace this contingency and make it an integral part of the structure of scientific inquiry. Sandra Harding, in \"The Science Question in Feminism,\" argues that the search for a single voice, what she calls a transcendental ego, or one true story of the way the world is, is an historically male-centered way of looking at the world. In the name of acritical feminism, she offers an acceptance of multiple truth. A de-centered knowledge seeking. Accepting that science is political, we make it more self-consciously political. We do not substitute a different orthodoxy, but rather look at what kind of politics we build into our science. Further, I submit that for the future of our planet, our science needs to be more broadly democratic in all respects. Taking science as more self-consciously political would, first of all, make us more aware of who is doing the science, more concerned about affirmative action issues in science. Who are the scientists? Who are the lab technicians? Who are the secretaries and typists? Why are there so few women, so few African-American scientists, especially in what are called the natural sciences? What can we do to make scientists more representative of the population of the earth? But changing the personnel, as important as that is, is a small part of the task. A second problem, a second issue, is problematics. How are the problems of science formulated? What values and limits structure scientific research? Is science designed to enhance human life, to increase our freedom? We need to look carefully at what shapes the problems that scientists pose for solution. It isn't necessarily wrong to take money from chemical companies to do research. Research can't be done without money. But we need to explore the implications of the funding as an integral part of the research and to constantly seek to broaden the base of social accountability of science. If science becomes the province of a broadly diverse group of humans, it will necessarily encompass a concern for future generations and for the complexity of the earth. Third, a more diverse, politically aware science would necessarily be less narrowly specialized and more widely participatory. Within a university, a more plural, diverse research structure would involve a wider community of scholars. Those called natural scientists would talk with philosophers, historians, anthropologists, writers, artists, and social scientists. Being a scientist would mean being a broadly educated person. While this lays a burden on scientists, it also lays a burden on the humanists and artists of the university as an intellectual community. These humanists and artists would also make it their responsibility to know enough about the science that their colleagues were doing that they could be informed and responsible participants in decisions on the direction of research, and more able to participate in the ongoing development of scientific truth. I know that there are concerns about incorporating these issues into the structure of scientific inquiry. Research moneys are competitive. Scientists are usually trying to please those with money. Tenure decisions and job hunting put pressure on scientists to turn out research by the pound. All of this pushes a community away from carefully drawn, democratically responsible research. Broadening and deepening the philosophical grounding seems impractical and out of step. The people who read NSF proposals are not necessarily laboring under the weight of anything discussed here, and this is a real problem. I submit that there are parallel real concerns for the future of the planet, and for the health and well-being of society that make a broadly democratic and responsive form of science a better choice than an elitist science. We exercise these concerns, not by denying the political nature of science, but by acknowledging it and seeking to make science politically accountable. I invite you to explore, in your heads and in discussion, how a more broadly political form of science would have shaped the herbicide episode I cited earlier.\r\n\r\n- [Gary] Thank you, Dr. Fink, for that plea, really, for a more democratically controlled and participatory science. I hope you'll come back to the herbicide episode in our discussion afterward. The university itself has just gone through a bit of a self-examination about a more recent technology involving herbicides. This was a new technology for herbicide resistant crops and if we get back around to that subject, I might explain that example a little bit and pursue it. Our second speaker is Patricia B. Swan. She's the Vice Provost for Research and Advanced Study and the Dean of the Graduate College, a position she has held since October, 1989 at Iowa State. She is currently acting as our Provost. In these capacities, she is responsible for the administration of all research and education programs within the university. Previously, she was a professor in the Department of Food Science and Nutrition, and the Associate Dean of the Graduate School at the University of Minnesota, where she had been a member of the faculty since 1964. She received her undergraduate degree from the University of North Carolina, Greensboro, and her Master's and PhD from the University of Wisconsin, with majors in biochemistry and nutrition. Professor Swan has done research on the vitamin B6 requirements of men, the metabolism of large amounts of selenium in animals, animal models of genetic errors which result in mental retardation, the metabolism of amino acids in animal tissues, and ways in which diet affects the metabolism of muscles. Her current scholarship emphasizes the history of research on nutritional biochemistry in the United States. Professor Swan is an active member of the American Institute of Nutrition, where she has served a term as secretary and a term as chair of the Joint Public Affairs Committee of the AIN and the American Society of Clinical Nutrition. She currently represents the AIN on the board of the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology, FASEB. She has recently served as a member of the Human Nutrition Board of Scientific Counselors of the USDA, and is a member of the Editorial Board of the \"Journal of Nutrition.\" Would you join me in welcoming Dean Swan?\r\n\r\n- [Dean Swan] Thank you, Gary. As I told Gary when I agreed to come and say a few words tonight, I did not prepare a formal talk for you. In part because I've been preparing formal budgets for you instead. But in part because I prefer to make, instead of a formal talk, a few informal comments around the subject of the moral values that underlie university research. To do that, I think it's important that we ask ourselves why do universities carryout research in the first place? What is the motivation? In an office like mine, when we speak of research, we in no way limit ourselves to science, but we think of all the ways in which knowledge is pursued within the university. So it is that body of scholarship no matter the field. I suppose it is science in its origin of the term, if you will, that is knowledge. We pursue research then in scholarship in the university to acquire knowledge. We do it to have new knowledge. We do it to modify existing knowledge. We do it to provide knowledge where we see or others see that knowledge is lacking. Now, this means then that we must hold, I believe, the basic value that knowledge is good. To know is good. To know and understand is good. And I would assert that that is a basic value underlying university work and certainly the research within a university. How that knowledge is applied might be good or evil, if you wanna use the extreme opposite. Might be a little of both depending how and when and where and why the knowledge is used. But the question as to whether or not to know is better than not to know, I think, is a very important basic question that universities answer in favor of knowledge. Now, the routes to knowledge in any area of inquiry, in any way in which we try to understand can be good or bad in the sense of morals or ethics. And I think among those ethics that we would hold up as being exemplary, we would ask for honesty in our pursuit of knowledge of understanding. We would ask for objectivity or at least not to be limited to one perspective in the way in which we know and understand, and that may mean getting groups together. It's possible it does mean something more like a democratic approach, if you will, to bring differing perspectives. But it certainly would suggest that one does not approach understanding or knowledge from a limited or a single perspective. I think that in universities we would say, we would hold up for ourselves, though we sometimes fall short of those things we hold up for ourselves, that in our pursuit of understanding that we are considerate, that we consider others, others human and non-human, that we consider the effects of the way in which we are pursuing the knowledge, on what is around us, on our environment, in the conservation of resources that we employ, and on the community that we work within, et cetera. So the routes to knowledge, or the ways to which we approach the task of understanding, might be good or bad depending on how, where, when, and why we doing it. We do research in universities, and especially in land grant universities, because we have been asked by our societies to provide knowledge as a service to others. This institution in 1858 was founded by the General Assembly with the explicit instruction to look after the agricultural interests in the state. That is in our founding charter. We are tasked to provide knowledge, to provide for the agricultural interest in the state. In our land grant charter from the federal government, we're asked to be particularly interested in the quote, \"agricultural and mechanic arts\" as areas in which we should pursue knowledge and we should transfer that knowledge to others. As you follow others parts of our charter as we have grown as an institution through the years you'll see that a broad and general education is something we're also charged with providing. And in some charters are some words about our mission from outside the university. You see we're asked to provide a liberal education. And so there is, I think, implicit in that some idea that we should impart knowledge in a broad range of understandings that people have, not narrowly in our original areas in which we were charged to work, agriculture, mechanic arts. Often, in recent years, universities have asked themselves a lot about the extent to which the university is responsible for providing knowledge to business and industry and periodically the extent to which the university is responsible for providing knowledge that may be, under some circumstances, applied to military ends. These are questions which universities are constantly asking themselves and questions which have to be answered frequently in very many different ways as research programs, scholarship programs, evolve. There's no question, as Dr. Fink has mentioned, that research and directions of research is dictated to some degree by funding. Some of our ways of knowing cost our brains and our attention and our careful thought more than they cost actual dollars employed in expensive equipment or special facilities, et cetera. But others of our ways of knowing require a lot by way of backup resources in order to add to the knowledge in that line of inquiry. And where that is true, those resources can be very much a limiting factor in what is explored, where it is explored, and when and to what degree, how even it is explored. Resources are indeed a very real question. Investigators, scholars can conceive questions, but if it requires substantial resources to answer those questions, they do need to find those resources. And that can be a very difficult task, a very time consuming task, and it can be a task that limits the investigator from actually pursuing those areas of interest. It's important to a university to constantly evaluate what it is that we are investigating and what it is we are not investigating. Why we are investigating somethings and why we are not investigating other things. It's important for a university to stand back and look at the directions of its program and ask why those directions, and why not other conceivable directions in its inquiries. Unfortunately, or I think sometimes our General Assembly would say fortunately, universities don't have a lot of money on their own to employ in research. That is money that is freely is available to the university to freely distribute wherever the university community thinks it should be employed. Most of the money which universities have that come in for general deployment is tied to the education programs and primarily undergraduate education programs. This means our scholars go out and seek ways in which they can fund their own line of inquiry, their scholarship, through funding sources outside the university. That may be good, that may be bad. Depending on what aspect of it you are examining, I think you could reach either conclusion. It may be good that scholars ideas have to be examined by others and tested and so forth before society's resources are spent in that direction. That may be good. On the other hand, the control of those resources is often limited a great deal by both political motivation, economic motivation, et cetera. And so that will lead, indeed, the nature of the inquiry in many cases. The General Assembly would think it good, I think, in general, that our scholars have to go and get their ideas tested individually in order to receive funding for their work. I think that we believe that it would be very good to have within the university community some resources that could be deployed according to our understanding of areas of inquiry that need to be made and which are not receiving funding from other sources. Dr. Fink talked about a democratic science. I would raise perhaps something which is related, but perhaps a little different. In that I think there is a role for public participation in the whole area of identifying lines of inquiry. A public participation in calling attention to the unanswered questions in this world. I think the public has a very real role in raising those questions and asking that inquiry be undertaken. The public can also then participate in judging the application of knowledge that comes from those lines of inquiry. I think this is a very important role for the public. One which is sometimes neglected because perhaps people say, well, maybe it's too technical for me to understand, or, you know, the economist have gotten too deep for me here and I really can't follow that. So somebody else is gonna have to figure out if this is good or a bad way to apply that sort of thinking, et cetera. I really feel that the public has a responsibility in looking at applications of knowledge and in commenting on those applications. And through the political process, helping to determine what those applications will be. So the basic value underlying university research, scholarship of all kinds, knowledge, knowing, understanding. And I do believe then that universities exist on the premise that to know and to understand is good.\r\n\r\n- [Gary] Thank you, Pat, for that bird's eye view of how university research and ethics looks from the Provost's office at Iowa State. And for the argument that knowledge is the basic moral value served by university research and knowledge is good. We have now a response from our featured speaker of the last two days, Professor Ruether. Dr. Ruether is Professor of Theology at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary, and the author of books often used in our classes as texts such as \"Sexism and God Talk,\" and she comes now to respond to our two speakers.\r\n\r\n- [Dr. Ruether] Thank you. I thought I would just make a few comments about what I think is the underlying question, one of the underlying questions in Deborah Fink's statements about moral values in university research. And that is the paradigm of objective and value-free knowledge as that has shaped, shall we say, what counts as knowledge in universities for the last several hundred years. I've been reading while I'm here a book by Morris Berman called \"The Disenchantment of the World,\" and he has a big section on Isaac Newton. Isaac Newton, of course, being the, seen as the major founder of recent physics. Some aspects of Newtonian physics have been transcended, but certainly a whole model of the universe in terms of matter and motion and so on that is seen as setting the paradigm of modern science. And this author examines, in fact, Newton's ambivalence between two different models of knowledge. The alchemist model, which, of course, is thought of as the medieval model, but was really based on a fundamental paradigm of nature as alive and nature as a cosmos. As a whole community of being that was engaged in relationship of sympathy, antipathy, and so on. And his later reputation as the author of the mechanical view of nature. When Newton's manuscripts were, unpublished manuscripts, were made available in 1936 from his descendants, people were, historians of science, were totally amazed to discover that Newton all his life was fascinated by alchemy. And, in fact, remained to a very large extent an alchemist, and yet he had increasingly concealed that and, of course, his heirs, not simply his family heirs, but his scholarly heirs, had, shall we say, cleaned up Newton to make him the archetypal mechanical philosopher. And as this author examines that, it becomes apparent that Newton's own decision to present himself primarily as one who believed in matter as fundamentally dead rather than alive, or as dead atoms in motion propelled by relationships of external force. Something for which he could never really explain, gravity. 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And It was mechanical science meant that matter was essentially controlled by knowers from outside and had no autonomy or life of its own. And that's basically the way the political elites wanted to look at the masses. They wanted to look at the masses the same way in which this model of science wanted to look at matter as something that is governed by outside of it but has no life or autonomy of its own. And so increasingly those scientists who wanted to really ally themselves with the ruling class and least opted for that kind of model of mechanical science rather than science which believed in much more living and autonomous systems. So at least according to this author that Newton himself essentially censored his alchemistic proclivities and presented himself as a mechanistic. A very much not as a scientific decision but as a political decision. Now, what are the implications of that kind of analysis of science? It's a little bit like some of the critique of Freud that has gone on recently, where for example, there was a whole investigation of Freud's whole view of childhood or infant sexuality and fantasies of the infant in sexual desires toward parents and so on. And it became apparent that in the actual research that Freud had done, what he actually was originally basing his research on, was a number of statements by women in his counseling who essentially told him that they had been sexually abused by their fathers or older male relatives as children. And so he was formulating a paper in which he was going to propose to his learned male colleagues that sexual abuse in childhood was a major source of female neurosis. But then he got a terrible case of apprehension because he feared that his colleagues, obviously he was learning male colleagues would scoff at him for such a theory and he would be ridiculed. And so he changed his entire interpretation of this data and instead went in with a thesis that neurosis was essentially rooted in infantile sexual fantasy. In other words, he essentially attributed these stories of sexual abuse by these women to their fantasies rather than to actual experience. And from this we have gotten of course 100 years of a certain type of psychotherapy which has focused on blaming the victim That is to say, blaming victimized children for fantasizing about sexuality rather than looking at the possibility that indeed they were actually victimized. Again, the decision for a certain kind of so-called scientific interpretation was not scientific. It was socio-political, it was in terms of what would sell to his colleagues and he decided that the interpretation that these women had indeed been victimized would not sell. Now all of this I think indicates that we have to look at the value context of science and this is essentially what I think Debra Fink was talking about and I think that means that we have to question the fundamental underlying paradigm of knowledge of modern science which is based on the fact value split or the basic assumption that authentic knowledge is the sort of knowledge from which you separate yourself, you claim to have no investment, no commitment that you are essentially the detached observer and you produce a kind of knowledge which is fundamentally value-free. It may be used for good or evil but the knowledge itself is essentially simply objectively true and that is its value and it does not have to be examined in terms of its social context. And I think what's being questioned here is that kind of model of value free science. That in fact what we know and for which the questions that we choose to ask are always governed by a certain kind of social context. It's not simply that they can be used for good or evil but the very content of the knowledge itself is fundamentally limited and shaped by the kind of rationales of funding, the kind of rationales of social contexts in which it itself is produced. And the question is not to deny that kind of context of social interests but rather to acknowledge it upfront and then to ask the value questions about it. You know, is this a good context? Is this what kind of effects does this have? And we have to be able to those kinds of social questions into the very nature of research itself. Now, in this context, I'd like to say a little bit about the science religion split because part of the framework of the fact value split in the modern scientific paradigm is also related to the science religion split. And I think in the history of science and certainly I, myself sort of bought some of this. There has been an assumption that science sort of forged on bravely with a kind of methodology for ascertaining truth which was, you know, objective and value free and therefore left religion behind as superstition sort of sadly, you know, trying to protect its outworn ideas and so on which have been disproved by science. And I think again, some of the kind of research that I was reading, some of the work that Berman has done suggest that there is somewhat different reality actually underlay the science religion split in 17th century England and this was not so much science forging ahead and leaving religion sadly behind as a kind of mutual split between science and religion. Each of which in effect opted to keep their sphere separate from each other in order to have a, shall we say a kind of separation of turf. And he cites a number of instances of very close collaboration of leading clergyman and scientists and so on in really mutually reinforcing a view of science as purely factual without any value or religious dimension to it in order to precisely that the church who had have control over the religious fear and finance could clearly divorce itself from religion and claim the facts here and each of them would have control over their own areas of turf, so to speak and both of them could in turn attack and undermine all of those rival theories which not only brought fact and value together but were in effect posing themselves as both rivaled religion and rival science So that they were, in fact there was much more of a collaboration of established science and established religion in creating this kind of mutual separation. And I think the effect of that is not only that religion sort of focused in on a sphere that no longer dialogue with science and no longer really trying to create a holistic point of view but that increasingly religion relegated its concepts of ethics and salvation to the private sphere of human life. In other words, it pretended that you could simply be moral and religious in a private vacuum unrelated to the social context. So one has also, you might say parallel to the fact value split, the public private split in which religion concentrates religiosity in the private realm. And again, claims that religion is fundamentally a political or nonpolitical. When I think about this, I think about the almost absurd hinds of power struggles that have gone on in terms of the Vatican and liberation theology in which one of the major objections of the present papacy and Vatican to various kind of priests who have been involved in politics. And one of the examples of this was a whole kind of struggle between the Vatican and some of the three priests that took their positions as members of the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. And all of those priests were essentially told that they either would leave political office or they would be disenfranchised from their orders and none of them accepted to leave their political office. Now that the Sandinista's are out of government, the Maryknoll order has applied that Miguel d'Escoto who of course, was the foreign minister for the Sandinista's be reinstated in the order which the orders themselves have never accepted this disenfranchisement but the Vatican has refused to allow d'Escoto to be re-acknowledged as a member of the Maryknoll order somehow I'm of the assumption that even though he's in fact no longer in government he hasn't really repented of being political. Now, one of the things interesting is the basic declaration here is that there must be a complete separation between religion and politics and therefore a priest cannot be a member of a government or a political leader. Now, this is very interesting 'cause of course the Pope is himself the head of the government its called Vatican state. And so what we really have here is again a kind of ideology that disguises under the rubric of a political really disguises the actual question which is what kind of politics? There's Church politics on behalf of a certain kind of institutional status quo is not fundamentally challenged. What is challenged is any kind of politics on behalf of social transformation. It seems to me that one of the things that's going on and in a whole kind of conversation that I think is linking science and religion and ecology and feminist, many of these things back together again is really questioning some of these paradigms of knowledge, questioning the fact of values split insisting that we really have to recognize that any kind of knowledge is always produced in the context of interests and rather than deny that we have to really question, we have to find the kind of ethical means by which to evaluate good and bad politics good and bad ethical kinds of involvements. In other words what kind of research on pesticides is in fact from promoting socially evil effects and that we have to build in those kinds of questions of value really in terms of all of the area of research. In other words, I would suggest that every department in the university needs to have as part of its teaching, the ethics of that area. I mean, that we can no longer afford to have schools of law that do not really build in legal ethics or medical schools that don't have questions of medical ethics and so on. To really look at the ethical context, not only of the use of the knowledge but the very production of the knowledge itself. And with that think that we are also raising these kinds of questions about the split of mind and matter and the whole paradigm of the disinterested observer over against a dead world. And beginning to look at the way in which that very paradigm of knowledge is rooted in a certain kind of pattern to some extent of gender that's certainly also a class exploitation and a more participatory kind of understanding of knowledge, a greater sense of life as inherent in the very systems of nature itself. Also forces us to have a more responsive and interactive way of questioning and interrelating with each other and with the world around it, thank you.\r\n\r\n- Okay, if my watch is correct, we have about 20 or 25 minutes for discussion amongst all of us, we've all been very patient. But before we open up to you I'd like to give Deb and Pat a chance to respond briefly if they would.\r\n\r\n- I think we've already talked about knowledge and public accountability and knowledge as a basic found value and we mean by it and the way you can stand back and consider knowledge and so I guess what mostly interest in the discussion.\r\n\r\n- Specific beliefs\r\n\r\n- This was represented as universal principle obviously that the basic argument had nothing to do The principle That is the principle that And that was also used to remove Congressman Brian representative from state of Massachusetts, he was force to resign So that was, that's the official, the official line but in reality as I said because first example\r\n\r\n- The principle itself is not new, It's what has happened that something has been reaffirmed that apparently for some time was not. But in fact, there was for example the thirties prime minister of Austria who was also a priest who was part of a fascist government that had an important role in suppressing the social democratic movement at the time and he also was by more or less mutual consent. He was not forced out and he retained his previous ties to the right wing period and so on but he was also asked not to perform his priest So it's not as though this is a totally new development.\r\n\r\n- True, yeah But I think what's more deeply concealed here is the fact that religion is intrinsically political. And so there's an attempt to act as though religion is somehow a purely spiritual matter that is politically neutral and really underlay politics. And the reality is that religion is always related to one political stance or another. So the issue is not religion versus issue is willing to examine the hard facts. Is it the politics of justice, politics of This is the question of liberation theology of course he is raising . That issue is denying this kind of is asking the question what kind of politics is .\r\n\r\n- It seems that you're saying that in fact that's the same issue that we were dealing with knowledge and academia and politics that as you said before, there was that kind of split. But as I see it, when we start talking about research and we're talking about where the money comes from to do the research and you've mentioned a factor, I think you mentioned democratic science and Dr. Swan and talked about public input and those are all nice ideas, you know, but I get worried because like within the context of this patriarchy that you were talking about yesterday, you know, all of this is nice ideas but the reality is that control still those guys still have the control, right? The guy that owns McDonnell Douglas is the guy that's gonna pay to have the research done. And so I just keep getting stuck.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, well, the question of where university draw the line in terms of accepting research is gonna be so biased in order to validate the results of certain kinds of government endorsement or corporate interest and you can't avoid it that point asking the question what is this gonna serve in terms of a large\r\n\r\n- We've already been asking these questions for thousand years and\r\n\r\n- Okay, Daniel I think too, one thing that you could do so you're gonna take money from McDonnell Douglas you could say that this is the research and this is the perspective that was put forward by McDonnell Douglas and it has to be interpreted and in context rather than saying this is the truth.\r\n\r\n- Acknowledge a little truth My husband had a little period, he taught at American university for couple of years. He went with a certain science research firm and then he left it because it became apparent that it was impossible to do any kind of research in the context where he was getting money from the world bank which clearly won't work And they were, one Saturday he worked on it in terms of violence in schools and it was being funded by certain kinds of agencies in government that wanted to increase police department and so they essentially wanted the research company to show that there's a need for this and this research so they just changed parties. That was the breaking point when he realized that all the research he'd done is simply being invalidated and obvious that the results found\r\n\r\n- Any question?\r\n\r\n- How the university actually can constitute itself so that seems to me research because she thought it was unhealthy to do I don't get it. The definition of why you do research at the university was like why would the chicken cross the road go to the other side, well, chickens don't do that, they don't cross the road, they certainly won't eat on the other side I don't know anybody doing University research to get knowledge. I think that's absolutely just has nothing to do with it. I think that maybe what we like to talk about but people research because they get fired if they didn't, they would have less prestige. Most of my friends would rather sell antiques, or go swimming or read books than do research that they would lose their jobs if they didn't. And most of them don't do that much after they get tenured they do it because of the social responses to a it not because they like knowledge, they do like knowledge, discovering something new wonderful but they do it because they get tremendous prestige They do the research in general ways that society wants to reconfirm the situations right now. American people have funding, we have a tremendous problem in this country with health, we have got people who don't get health services, we have tremendous amount of people who can't get the doctors. We studying why we didn't have enough doctors. Most people have too many doctors. We have people without housing. research on how to give them housing. We have this university set up . The whole thing since 1945, we've done it. We've driven the small farmers out. We've done research, that's gotten us the biggest money, the biggest contract and that's what the university wants. My question is how can we have a structure, What if the University can allow us to genuinely question whether irradiated food is healthy or not investigate how to do it efficiently, How can we have a structure to invite in danger or possibility of having money on campus for a new building people in it can get irradiated themselves. Is there any structure that\r\n\r\n- The question is whether The question is whether or not irradiate food is happening is an important question as I agree that its an important question to investigate\r\n\r\n- Well, that's positive activity that kind of initiative is really important and that's how . My mother quit soaking in 1949 because she read all this stuff about soaking didn't matter took another, how many 40 years? I work in, I lecture there is a big bronze plaque on the wall that says\r\n\r\n- Is there a way we can have structure allow people who money to oppress people not to give it to initiative or something amounts of funding from\r\n\r\n- I think the question is how does the money that would serve the interest of the few. the few get counteracted by the interest of the majority The fact is that the vast majority of us people who produce this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41094/file/112946#t=0.0,1850.736"}]}]}]}