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Basically what we're going to have is 10 minute opening statements by both speakers, then we'll have five minutes rebuttal periods. After that, we'll open up the room for questions to both speakers. And how we'd like to handle that is we'd like to form two lines, one for questions to Richard Bishop and one for questions to Wayne Pacelle. And we'd like to kinda form it right here down this row. We'd like you to line up five at a time and we'll alternate. And we'll do that for 30 minutes. So we'll get in as many questions as we can tonight. Tonight, I know this is a very interesting issue to everybody here. We'd like to keep this on a very professional basis on both sides, so if we can have your cooperation on that it would be much appreciated. I'd like to encourage you to write down your questions first because as I am now, everyone a little nervous in front of the mic and it goes a lot easier. So if you do that and hold the editorializing to a minimum, we would appreciate it. And now to introduce the speakers. Speaking first tonight is on my near right, Richard Bishop. Richard graduated from Ohio State University in 1962 for a Bachelor of Science degree from the College of Wildlife Management. Richard also obtained a Master of Science degree in Ecology Wildlife Management from University of Arizona in 1964. He then became a wildlife biologist for two years at the Montana Game and Fish Department After that he got involved and came to work in Iowa with waterfowl as a waterfowl research biologist with the Iowa Conservation Commission, which is now the Department of Natural Resources. That was from '65 to '79. From '79 to present he has been in the central office of the Department of Natural Resources, first as the head of research, and in the last seven years he's served as the chief of the Wildlife Bureau for the DNR. And on my far right this evening is Wayne Pacelle. Pacelle, sorry. Wayne is a leading expert on hunting issues in the United States. After graduating in Environmental Studies from Yale University in 1987, Wayne worked in Washington, DC as a lobbyist for the National Alliance for Animal Legislation. From there, Wayne became associate editor of \"The Animal's Agenda\", a national animal advocacy magazine. Wayne is now the national director of the Fund for Animals, one of the nation's largest and most aggressive animal rights organizations. And now I'd like to turn you over to Richard who'll speak first tonight. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- Thank you. Can everybody hear me? This mic's on?\r\n\r\n- Needs to be turned up.\r\n\r\n- Pardon? Can everybody hear me?\r\n\r\n- Yup.\r\n\r\n- Okay. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I'm pleased to be here tonight to discuss an issue that I think is very close to all of us regardless of your views and personal preferences. The aspect is hunting. All of you must realize that this is not just a debate on hunting. It is a debate on policy and the way people live their lives. Bottom line is animal rights, not the welfare of animals. Comments made on hunting this evening are surface discussions, with a far deeper and questionable philosophy. The Fund for Animals is one of the a groups of animal rights organizations. These organizations believe there should be no hunting, no animal agriculture, no medical use of animals, no pet ownership, or basically no human use of animals. To quote Tom Regan in a publication on animal rights, said \"It is not larger, cleaner cages that justice demands, but empty cages. Not traditional animal agriculture, but a complete ban to all commerce in the flesh of dead animals. Not more humane hunting and trapping, but the total eradication of these barbarous practices.\" And there's been folks of a much more radical nature from some animal rights groups, and to quote one of these views from Ingrid Newkirk from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA, she stated in September '89 in an issue of \"Vogue\" magazine, quote, \"Even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it.\" To put this in perspective this evening, Mr. Pacelle is a vegetarian, as are most animal rights advocates. Leaders at the Iowa State University Humane Society, co-sponsors of this today, have stated publicly that their goal is to eliminate all animal husbandry, which would in turn eliminate most of the demand for agriculture production of corn and soybeans since most of these crops are fed to livestock. They have stated most of Iowa should be returned to a prairie ecosystem with native herbivores like bison and predators like wolves. This is an idyllic dream that will appreciated by many hunters, I'm sure, but not very practical to most of our society today. The audience needs to understand that these opinions are not shared by most people. A Gallup Poll conducted in August 1990 found only 7% of the American public agrees with the animal rights views. Part of this discussion on hunting is really animal rights, I feel, versus animal welfare. Animal welfare is treating animals humanely, with respect for their position and purpose in the animal kingdom. Should animals be used for production of beef or pork, chicken, hunting, medical research, or for pets? In poll after poll, the American public has upheld hunting for meat as a legitimate activity. All wildlife biologists, at least the ones I've been associated with, are all animal welfarists. And every hunter, trapper, farmer, and animal researcher should be. Most Iowans believe in using animals for food and clothing. Humans have evolved as the top predator in the animal world. This comes from a long, long background, the first time man really started foraging out in more open areas. Early in their development, humans were hunters for food and hunting was carried into the modern world along with raising livestock. Both of these practices, done humanely, are responsible uses of animals. Humans cannot be taken out of the ecological equation. They cannot be taken out, but must be placed in the proper perspective with other species. Therefore, that makes us have proper respect for other species also. Hunting has a strong ecological basis. Regulated hunting is not a danger to the population of game animals. In Aldo Leopold's words, \"It is a function that harvests the manual surplus of animals much like production of domestic ones.\" Small game animals like pheasants, squirrels, and rabbits have extremely short lifespans. Studies show that 60% to 75% or more of the individuals of those populations die each year. Small game species that exhibit high mortality rates like rabbits and quail compensate by producing many young each year to take care of this high mortality rate. Morning doves, for example, have extremely high natural mortality rates. An annual harvest 50 million doves, which is only 10% of the estimated population of doves, by hunters, simply compensates for the high natural losses. The end result of hunting is relatively no change in morning dove numbers. Iowa does not have any morning dove season. And dove populations are no higher in Iowa than they are in Kansas or Missouri or some of the other states where hunting takes place on a regular basis. We are not overrun with robins and other songbirds. The natural mortality is high on those species, much like doves. Big game animals like deer, on the other hand, are longer-lived and produce fewer young. In the natural scene, predators including man have kept big game numbers in check, but humans have eliminated the major large predators such as grizzly bears, mountain lions, and wolves from the landscape because we will not tolerate livestock degradation or human life endangerment. Without hunting, the population of white tailed deer would be many times higher than what it is right now. Damage to agricultural crops, personal property such as shrubbery and flowers, and endangerment to human life through car-deer accidents would be much higher. Deer populations in Iowa will not be held in check by disease or starvation. There is a habitat on agricultural ground, it's basically like large corn fields just provide a massive corn forest for deer, which with an unlimited food supply and very good protective cover. The death of individual animals is the only way to stop unchecked growth of deer populations. Hunting is the most humane of all the effective alternatives to controlling deer numbers in Iowa. Hunting today is a choice people have and should continue to have as long as this choice does not adversely impact animal populations or other segments of society. It is clearly a choice people should have. Animal rights activists believe you should not have a choice but be bound to live under their view of life. Our country was not founded on that tradition. I fully respect somebody's view of not wanting to kill anything. Hunting is regulated by professionally-trained wildlife biologists geared by scientific facts to benefit wildlife populations by providing habitat to fill their basic life needs. The most needed ingredient of any species is a place to live with food and shelter. Wildlife agencies, through license fees, purchase and manage habitat for all wildlife species, conduct research to best respond to essential needs of wildlife, and pay for enforcement of laws governing this wildlife. Presently, Iowa sportsmen are contributing $12 million annually in license fees and excise taxes to manage wildlife populations and habitats. Through license dollars, federal excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition, and donations from sporting groups like Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, Wetlands for Iowa, et cetera, raise over $15 million annually to manage wildlife populations. Granted, hunters have a selfish motivation for putting their dollars to work, creating more and better habitat for hunted species so there are more animals to hunt and trap. Land acquisition and management uses these dollars to protect all major habitats in Iowa, grassland, shrubland, woodlands, wetlands, the whole ecological aspects of Iowa. These habitats benefit more non-hunted species than hunted ones. Bobolinks, northern harriers, short-eared owls, upland sandpipers, to name a few, are benefiting from recently-restored wetlands and grasslands that the Prairie Pothole Joint Venture of the North American Waterfowl Management Plan is currently protecting. Without sportspeople's concern over these species, a lot of the wetlands that are now in protection, the 50000 acres in the state, would not be there. We're putting $2 million annually into the protection of wetlands and grasslands. Originally in this state, there were three to four million acres of wetlands in Iowa. Today, less than 2% of those original wetlands remain. Only a trace of the once 30 million acres of prairie land exists. This habitat did not have a selfish group of people looking after its welfare. I believe the only hope animals have is that people clearly understand their role in the ecological system as a hunter and a controller of the environment. Without people like hunters, trappers, and wildlife viewers, our expanding society will convert wildlife habitats to shopping malls, cities, factory, and roads, with little opposition. This could truly endanger the future of many Iowan species. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- Well thank you Mr. Bishop for agreeing to debate this evening, and also to thank the ISU Humane Society for inviting me and sponsoring this event and advertising it. Just wanna begin by perhaps debunking some ideas about animal rights philosophy and animal rights advocates. I've never said, and I'm not aware of anyone who's ever said that human beings and non-human animals, and notice I use that word, non-human animals, because humans are, in fact, animals, has ever said that humans and non-human animals are equal. They're not. There are certain distinct differences between us and them. But there are certain relevant capacities in which we are so sufficiently similar to them, mainly the ability to experience pleasure and pain because they have nervous systems just like we do, certainly the higher animals and birds and other animals, that we should give them a greater measure of respect. They're not just implements or expedience for our use. They're not resources to be harvested as a game manager might say. They're not tools for research, as the researcher might say. They're not units of production, as the factory farmer might say. We have treated animals like a bunch of things, and it's not surprising that there's massive institutional abuse of animals. Now I became a vegetarian not because of any specific concern for individual animals' welfare, although now I clearly see that I am benefiting individual animals by not eating them, and the atrocious conditions on so many intensive confinement farms. Not in the sense of the heat not being regulated or moisture not being present in the farms, but the fact that these social animals are denied their most basic instincts, to interact, to move around. And then they're routinely mutilated. Chickens, their beaks are cut off and pigs' tails mutilated. So many things happen to these animals that clearly is cruel to them. But I became a vegetarian because of the environmental impacts. And perhaps Iowa is the greatest example of a state that has sustained enormous impacts to its native ecosystem from animal agriculture. 99% of the prairies have gone, as Mr. Bishop said. 98% of the original wetlands are gone. 70% of the native forests are gone. This is not success. It's not wildlife management or human management in the broader sense. It's not anything to be proud of. So much of it is gone because of an arrogant human attitude toward not only the non-human animals of the world but the non-human world in general. And we do need a new attitude. And to grow corn, soybeans, to feed 80% or 90% of them to animals to inefficiently convert that to animal flesh so we can eat it is not efficient nor is it ecologically sustainable. If 10 pounds of grain goes to produce one pound of animal flesh, that means 10 times as many wildlands and wetlands are destroyed. If pesticides are applied and it's nonorganic agriculture it means 10 times as many pesticides are put in the environment. It means manure pollutes our waterways, and it means so many devastating things to the environment. So clearly the best thing you can do for the environment is look at your food choices. And I'm not up here arguing that hunting is endangering all sorts of species and it's endangering ecosystems, necessarily, but the broader human attitude that we have to animals and to this planet is devastating. We already have standards in society against cruelty to animals. 50 states have statutes that say, if one were to pump a broadhead arrow into a dog or a cat, you'd be arrested and prosecuted for wanton cruelty. You'd probably go to jail. 50 states have dog fighting prohibitions, 45 states have prohibitions on cockfighting. There are certain things, certain standards that we establish in society. If it happens to be the recreational preference of certain individuals to fight dogs or fight chickens in rings, we say no. Your recreational preference doesn't come above and beyond the wellbeing of those individual animals. But somehow, as I mentioned, it's inappropriate to pump a broadhead arrow into a dog or a cat but it is appropriate and socially acceptable to pump a broadhead arrow into a deer or a black bear or equally sentient mammals. That's an inconsistent standard. We would be appalled if bullfighting went on in this country. I hope most of us would. To see animals suffer, to benefit through recreation. Unnecessary. This is not the 17th century, where perhaps hunting served some vital subsistence purpose, some vital purpose for human clothing to protect against the elements. This is the late 20th century when 93% of the public does not hunt, and those members of the public survive. It's principally done for sport. Certainly, many hunters eat the flesh of the animals they kill, but that shouldn't be confused with saying they must kill to survive. We have alternatives, we have options. The wolf doesn't posit a moral choice when the pack kills a caribou or a deer or a moose. Human beings have the capacity for moral choice. We live in supposedly a civilized society. We're supposed to treat our brothers and sisters well, and there are standards that dictate just treatment of other people. We should extend that just treatment standard beyond our species to all species that feel pain in a fundamentally similar way to human beings. Certainly, tonight we'll hear a lot about deer populations and how we must hunt deer populations to keep their numbers in line. And the implication there is that somehow we must hunt all animals to keep their numbers in line. That's a fallacy, it's dead wrong. There are more than 200 million animals killed in this country every year by sport hunting activity. And it's not just rifles and shotguns, it's bows and arrows, it's handguns, it's muzzle loaders. And if there were a hunting ethic, and I know there is rhetorically a hunting ethic that talks about a reliable kill, a one-shot kill, wouldn't we indeed use the most efficient weapons to dispatch animals? Why do we use the broadhead arrow? Which more than 20 studies that the Fund for Animals has compiled indicate that for every animal hit with a broadhead arrow and retrieved by a hunter there is one animal hit and left in the woods to die a lingering death. There are four million deer killed in this country and about 100000 killed last year in the state of Iowa. There are 200 million animals killed, as I said, nationally. That's 2% of the total kill, is deer. Mr. Bishop pointed out, rightly so, that morning doves aren't hunted in this state but they're hunted in 36 other states. 50 million are killed. There are anywhere in the range of 20 to 30 million quail that are killed, about 20 million pheasants, 10 million ducks. We look to the mammals, as I said, four million deer, 150000 elk, 120000 pronghorn, more than 1000 brown bears, grizzly bears, 20000 black bears, and a long list of other species that are killed. There are no responsible ecologists that I'm aware of who would argue that doves, ducks, and rabbits, and squirrels, and black bears, and grizzly bears need to be killed to keep these animals within their biological carrying capacity. So if Mr. Bishop and other hunting advocates are prepared to say that we'll only hunt animals that we must control in terms of population, we'll wipe out all of hunting, I think, with very little debate, just about all hunting with very little debate, 97%, 98% of it. There are egregious practices that go on in the name of sport. The fall flight forecast for ducks in the 1950s when the US Fish and Wildlife Service began censusing the birds was about 100 million. Now it's 63 million. There's no question that wetland loss as in Iowa and other states is a principal factor in duck declines. But to shoot 10 million ducks out of the sky, that's almost 1/6 of the fall flight forecast, doesn't contribute to conservation. It doesn't contribute to duck survival. Pintails and scaup and blue-winged teal are in trouble. And they not only need more habitat, but they need to be protected from shooting. There are canned hunting operations in this country, whether it's mammals or birds. We have shooting reserves in Iowa with pheasants and quail and other birds are reared and released just to be shot, really indicating that the kill is an essential element of what's going on. One can go out in the woods and have the social camaraderie, see the sights, see the woods, have all of that, but you don't necessarily have to kill animals and take their lives. The shooting preserve industry, whether it's exotic mammals like Blackbuck antelope or African lions in Texas, whether it's pheasants or quail or chuck widow on shooting reserves is an issue. It's an industry of wanton cruelty towards animals, and it's inconsistent with existing societal standards against the indiscriminate harming of animals. We have coyote killing in this state. There's an awful lot of talk about keeping deer numbers in line, and certainly that's an important question. And I hope we'll get into that question this evening. But it seems to be internally inconsistent to be killing predators not only in the state of Iowa but all across the United States, whether it's wolves in Alaska who are killed because state game agencies want the hunting license revenue for moose and caribou hunting. They don't want wolves killing those creatures because wolves don't pay for hunting licenses. Whether it's black bears in 28 states or mountain lions in 11 states that are hunted, or coyotes everywhere, and it is well-documented that coyotes can kill deer, adult deer, and certainly are very efficient at killing deer fawns. But with deer hunting, I want to raise the issue that there are millions and millions of acres across this country where no hunting of any kind, not the predators, not the prey, not the small mammals, not the birds, are shot. Yet those animal populations are healthy and viable. We can look to the National Park Service as a management model, not allowing any hunting or trapping of any of those species, with natural decimating factors limiting their numbers. 80 million acres from Everglades in south Florida to Denali in Alaska, to Yellowstone, to Shenandoah, to Big Bend. So many areas don't have any hunting, yet those animal populations are healthy and viable. Later on I'll talk more about deer. I certainly don't want to dump that question. But let's point out very clearly that the vast majority of hunting that goes on, pheasants, ducks, small game, there is no biological argument. It's of value that people think that animals are little more than animated targets. And that is what the animal rights movement is targeting itself, is the recreational killing of animals across the board. Whether its dogs and cats or bears and deer or pheasants and ducks. Thanks.\r\n\r\n- Thank you Wayne. I seriously doubt many people in this audience, especially the hunters, would have very much to dispute with Wayne's opening comments on an attitude to protect habitat. I couldn't fully agree with him more. I think there is an attitude change that needs to come about the exploitation of our environment. You hear that every day. I think we differ on how we go about that, but I see people in the room that I've met at meetings that are contributing time and energy and personal finances to raise money, to go in, to support these programs. They're buying land to restore wetlands. They do have that ethic, they do have that feeling. I doubt if we do differ on that. I think there's a very strong feeling in the sportsmen in this state that say we have to do something about our environment. We want marshes, we want to preserve, restore certain marshes. Last year's sportsmen spent $2 million protecting wetlands and restoring them. I can't argue with that. Deer hunting, I do hope we'll get into that because that is an interesting aspect. I don't see alternatives for controlling deer populations. People that tolerate deer numbers or like deer and couldn't see how anybody could stand to shoot them oftentimes change their mind once those deer are doing damage to their crops or their gardens or their yards. In fact, I had one lady just recently in the town of Des Moines say she used to love those animals dearly, but she said, \"I would not have any problem with wiping one out right now because there are doing damage to her yard.\" She changed her attitude. It's all in a proper perspective. Yes, Wayne mentioned that we have 200 million animals dying each year. That's a big number. But if you just look at the aspect, we're talking about all kinds of animals, birds and things. We're talking about 500 million doves in this country. Lots of wildlife species, that is a small, minute portion of the deaths that occur every year. So we gotta watch how that number gets us. Small game, there's nothing to dispute on that. We're not shooting small game populations to keep the population from erupting and eating us out of house and home. That isn't why we hunt pheasants and quail. No argument. Those species that have a very high natural mortality rate, of those born or hatched each year, most of those animals are not going to be alive at the end of the year whether you shoot one of them or not. And I guess it depends on how you want that animal to die. If you can accept that hunting is more inhumane than a predator catching a rabbit and pulling that rabbit piece by piece while that animal's still alive, then you've got a different viewpoint than I do. I've watched predatory birds. I used to have owls. And they didn't necessarily kill that bird or animal before they ate them. They tore those animals apart still alive. If you have any question about that, I hope some of you watch an educational channel maybe and you will see on those things, a few of those nature programs, just one recently where it showed wild dogs tearing the entrails out of a young animal while it was still alive. Ducks, you're into my specialty now Wayne. And I've non-concern by the general public go downhill tremendously. We've watched wetlands being drained, we've watched duck populations go to blazes, and we screamed and yelled as professionals and hunters to see something change, and nobody seemed to care. Now we've started something to restore wetlands and do something about duck populations, and we are having an effect on ducks. We'll provide hunters and viewers and anybody down the road in 100 years at least the opportunity to see those ducks. They wouldn't have been there if the hunter hadn't stepped and said, \"I'm selfishly motivated, I want to protect those birds.\" And yes, hunting is killing. I don't personally relate to that killing. I don't particularly like it, and you can argue with me, and you can say boo and hiss all you want to. That's not the thing that I look for in my hunting experience. It is the end part of it, without any question. But my experience with hunting is a reverence for wildlife, this relationship with nature, understanding that I have a place in that ecological system as a predator of that wildlife. Hunting is a conglomerate of things that you cannot pull out just killing, just doing any one thing. It's hiking, it's bird watching, it's looking at vegetation. There's a lot of things that go into the aspect of hunting that is not simply described by killing. That's a very small part of it. I guess my time's run out so I will wait and discuss a couple other things on hunting issues and maybe the park system later. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- The question is, do you inflict pain on animals because you must or because you choose to do so even though you have another option? That's the question before us today. And I'm glad that Mr. Bishop concedes that for almost all species that are hunted, we don't need to hunt them to keep their numbers in line. We can shoot at inanimate targets, we can take a camera out in the woods, we can hike into the woods, we can do so many other recreational things to pass our time without extinguishing the life of a sentient mammal. And he points out that according to the US Fish and Wildlife Service there are anywhere from 450 million to 500 million doves. The 50 million that are killed are 1/10 of that population. Well, I'm not arguing here that dove populations are endangered, I'm arguing that those doves should have their lives determined by natural decimating factors and not the recreational killings of hunters. And I think it is very naive ecologically to assume that somehow all hunting substitutes for natural mortality. After the guns blaze and they're put to rest, and while they're blazing, natural factors are still taking their toll on animal populations. So hunting doesn't necessarily substitute for suffering in the wild, it adds to it. Perhaps one of the most egregious examples of human persecution of wildlife is trapping, something that the DNR fully supports, Mr. Bishop's agency. Steel jaw, age old trap. Invented in 1823, it's stayed in its similar form since that time. A brutally simple device, an indiscriminate device that kills bald eagles. As the Des Moines Register pointed out a few weeks ago, four bald eagles were killed in just a two week, trapped, not necessarily killed right at this moment, in a two week span during the trapping season. Fur management is a ruse. Trapping pressure is not dictated by biological concerns, it's dictated by pelt prices. And we've seen a dramatic decline in trapping because pelt prices have declined. It's not wildlife management that's being engaged in, it's trapper management, it's providing a recreational killing opportunity for a minimal financial return to certain people. A Gallup Poll was quoted. What wasn't mentioned was that the Gallup Poll was drafted by the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Said that the American public doesn't support certain elements of animal rights activity. It was a biased poll. At least Gallup renounced the poll and said it was flawed. One poll from one survey that does have reliability was done by Dr. Steven Keller who is the leading academician on public attitudes toward wildlife, and he pointed out that 80% of the public opposes trophy hunting, 64% opposes sport hunting. I'd argue that almost all hunting that goes on is motivated by those concerns, to obtain a trophy or to have recreation. And again, I don't say the meat isn't consumed, but the principle motivation is to go out and recreate when it's not needed I'm glad that Mr. Bishop is very well-versed in duck population dynamics and what has happened to wetlands. And some of his public statements, I've learned, have been very forceful regarding the protection of wetlands. But all people on this issue can see that ducks are doing badly. How can anyone argue that it's still appropriate when certain hunting writers such as George Reiger and others say, \"Lay down your guns, let duck populations come back.\" How can we argue that we should still be shooting 10 million ducks a year? Doesn't seem logical, doesn't seem sustainable. It's wildlife management by rolling the dice. Deer populations, and I said I wanted to get to this, and I probably just have one more minute. If we really wanted to limit deer populations and we did still use hunting to do it, it would be intellectually honest only to shoot the female deer because they're the reproducers. They're the ones that put the fawns back into the world. Hunting, since the modern system of game management was developed, has not been designed to limit deer population numbers, it's been designed to inflate them to provide sustainable shooting opportunities for hunting activity. That's why there's been male-biased hunting in this state, that's why Mr. Bishop, just a few weeks ago, said that changes in this year's regulation are designed to decrease the take of does in most of northern Iowa to help increase their numbers in those areas. The objective of wildlife management is not necessarily to decrease conflicts between people and animals, it's to provide shooting opportunities. And I think that's an immoral activity.\r\n\r\n- Okay, for now about 30 minutes we'll take questions for both speakers. Questions for Richard Bishop, if you would line up right here, and questions for Wayne Pacelle, if you could line up here. Let's keep the lines down to about five at a time, if you could please. Remember, let's everyone be professional. Also, I might've mentioned, you can address your questions to one person or both speakers. If you address it to one person only, they will answer it. If you want to hear both sides, address it to both speakers.\r\n\r\n- Hi, I have a couple questions for Richard Bishop. I was wondering, as an administrator for the wildlife division of the DNR, how you can espouse hunting given the many negative impacts hunting has on biodiversity, and given the many negative impacts that hunting and the entire system of species management has had on biodiversity?\r\n\r\n- I'm not so sure that I can answer that because I'm not sure I understand it.\r\n\r\n- I don't know if I can rephrase it either.\r\n\r\n- I know what he's saying, but I'm not aware of any documented things that show that hunters have had any negative impact on biodiversity. In fact, I would challenge anybody in this room to find any place that's more biodiverse than our wildlife management areas. They have got all habitats protected. We do not destroy large acres of grassland. For species that are probably benefited by woodlands, we protect all of those habitat areas for all game and non-game animals. And I would challenge anybody to show me where hunters have any negative impact on biodiversity. If I'm ignorant then I apologize for that, but I don't know of anything that ever substantiates that.\r\n\r\n- Question for Wayne. So Wayne, let's face facts. We all need to make a living somehow, and you've chosen the profession of being a wildlife biologist ultimately, and then followed that through with Funds for Animals as the executive director. Now, have you really sold out to play on people's emotions, or are you really just trying to make a quick buck? Are you really sincere in your efforts to propagate certain species for your own financial wellbeing? And when I ask that, ultimately, quite frankly, I'll be honest with you, I'm sick and tired of seeing six or seven doggone coons dead per square mile. And with that in mind, in addition, these ducks, let's face facts, musk rats, coon, possums, they play ravage on duck nests. Canada in the last three or four years has ultimately--\r\n\r\n- Get to the question.\r\n\r\n- My question is whether or not he's trying to play on people's emotions or objectively looking at the facts as a wildlife biologist trained in that field?\r\n\r\n- I don't believe that science is value-free. I think it reflects societal attitudes. And there are plenty of wildlife biologists, many of them work for the National Park Service and manage their populations without using hunting and trapping. I just want to make the point that the Fund for Animals is largely a group of volunteers. The president and the secretary of the organization are full-time volunteers, they don't receive any money. Then we have a staff of 30. There's no one who takes more than $30000 in salary. And most of us happen to live in the East coast where city living rates are quite high. I got into this because I care about wildlife. I have since I was a young child. And the particular form that has taken has been to work with the Fund for Animals as of late.\r\n\r\n- My question is to Mr. Bishop, but Mr. Pacelle can also answer. It is a question on biodiversity. All the land that, I mean, it is true, there is quite a bit that is bought by hunters and through the DNR. But don't you mostly just manage the game species? And the other species, the non-game species, are in fact, almost totally ignored? And the management on those lands are not for those non-game species but purely for the health of the games species?\r\n\r\n- Emphatically no. I have a staff of well-trained wildlife biologists who didn't go to Iowa State University, most of them, to learn only about hunted species. They learned about all the other raptors, songbirds, I think most of 'em took ornithology here and they're very sharp at it. I have a circle of people who are very active in the Iowan Society. No, those people, when they draft a management plan for their wildlife areas are looking at the grasslands for bobolinks, they're looking at grasslands right now for the northern harrier and the short-eared owl. How many of you people are actually doing anything to protect the grasslands for short-eared owls and northern harriers that went out of existence, those nesting species in east Iowa? Nobody. Our wildlife biologists are addressing those things. We do not manage for just single species. We look at the whole composite of things. We have a non-game biologist on staff, and she is one of the most energetic, hard-pushing individuals in our state. And you think you wanna get something by her without getting challenged by it, you have another thing coming. 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If one looks at the broad range of species and how they're fairing, it's not, well. Not in Iowa, not in the East, not in the West, not in the South. And as I said before, it's not just hunting, it's always the humans pillage this planet. And certainly our food consumption has in animal agriculture a devastating effect.\r\n\r\n- Hello, Mr. Caselli. Is that right? You mentioned that hunting was not needed for deer control and I guess I'll focus on that. Being a native of Illinois, I know of two cases, a 4,000-acre second home development where professional hunters were called in to depopulate the deer population. It was threefold carrying capacity and it's the second highest kill county in the state. In addition, a park near Rockford had to have professional killers come in and again remove population and bring it down to an acceptable level. Both of those were done, the one at the park was done with high-powered rifles and the one down at the second home development was done with the traditional hunting equipment in that state, which is with a slug gun. Just curious, what is your alternative to that when I even live in that county or have residence in that county and hunt quite actively to try to maintain the population on the ground that it's open for hunting? Both of those places are no hunting areas. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- The bible of the deer manager is \"Whitetail Deer Management and Ecology\", it's a basic text. And in it, the authors, who come from many state agencies and throughout federal agencies, point out that there is no absolute need to hunt deer to keep them within the biological carrying capacity of the system. The more relevant question, I would argue that natural decimating factors limit deer numbers. The more relevant question is the cultural carrying capacity. How many deer will people tolerate? In a state like Iowa with agriculture, certainly the number of deer they'll tolerate is not very high in certain areas of the state. So the question is how many deer will we tolerate? I don't think that hunting from an environmental perspective is needed for any species. The question is, do we need it for certain cultures, certain attitudes, because certain economic practices are going on? I think a DNR management program that's designed to keep deer numbers high but provide recreational shooting opportunities is in conflict with the policy to limit numbers. And if we were trying to limit numbers, we'd be doing things very differently. We wouldn't be using inefficient hunting tools like bows and arrows, we wouldn't be shooting any males, and we certainly wouldn't be manipulating any habitat, and we would be restoring native prairies, which are not very favorable habitat types for deer populations.\r\n\r\n- Thank you. I have a question for Mr. Caselli. I'm living with the problem at the moment and then I'll ask you a question on how to solve the problem. I'm living on a two-acre pond. We have a park and we have exactly 28 mature oaks. By mature I'm talking 40 to 100 years old. State foresters have come out and looked at these trees, 28. We have a terrible beaver problem on this pond at the moment. There are 10 of these mature oaks, up to a hundred years old, that are completely girdled. That means they're dead or dying. We have 10 of 'em that show 20 to 75% damage. Out of this population of 28 giant oaks, we actually have only eight of 'em that show, as of yet, no damage. How do we solve that problem with no trapping? And if there's a solution as far as live trapping, or something like that, who's to pay for this?\r\n\r\n- Well, fortunately we have a biologist on our staff, who's a beaver expert and we respond to the impacts all the time. In fact, we responded to one here at Iowa State University a couple of years ago. If one has a specific number of trees to be protected, the best deterrent to that is to protect the trees through some type of fencing, which is the most efficient way. And occasionally, if someone wants a more permanent structure, then a concrete structure might work. In Colorado, in cooperation with the Division of Wildlife, a sterilization program is going on, which would limit the-- You laugh but the Division of Wildlife is conducting the program. And for particular areas in which there are high beaver densities, that has proved to be the most socially acceptable way to regulate beaver numbers. So there are a battery of alternatives and we have a document called Living with Beavers that shows how to install dam flumes and beaver bath alerts and how to protect individual trees with a compendium of alternatives. And sterilization is an emerging technology, which is now being used, as I said, by the Colorado Division of Wildlife.\r\n\r\n- I have a two-part question. The first question for Mr. Bishop and the second part for Mr. Caselli. My question for Mr. Bishop is, every Iowa hunter is required to pay five dollars for a wildlife habitat stamp. I'd like to know how much of that money goes directly for the wildlife habitat?\r\n\r\n- A hundred percent of it goes to wildlife, the purchase of wildlife habitat.\r\n\r\n- The second part of my question is for Mr. Caselli. I'd like to know, since you opened the issue of salaries, et cetera, what is your organization's annual budget? How much are that annual budge goes directly to animal welfare, such as habitat, animal shelters, et cetera? How much goes to public relations, administrative costs, anti-hunting/anti-farming campaigns?\r\n\r\n- We have a $2 million budget roughly and we have to maintain three other facilities. We have a large wildlife rehabilitation center in Southern California, where we take raptors that have been shot, or hit by vehicles, or pilots or Bobcats, and other species. And last year, we released more than 1000 animals back into the wild. We have a large animal facility in central Texas and we have a small animal facility in South Carolina. That represents about one quarter of our budget. We don't do direct habitat purchases, we choose to lobby. One instance is the California proposition 117 in 1990. That measure had two elements. One, it sought to permanently ban mountain lion hunting and two, it sought to use existing or some non-traditional sources to devote $30 million annually, for each of the next 30 years, to acquire habitat for threatened deer species and also deer and mountain lions, even though the NRA and other groups proposed that that measure passed. And that's the $900 million habitat proposal.\r\n\r\n- Wayne, my question is for you. In order to keep the cats and dogs under controllable numbers, humane groups, such as yours, as well as a lot of the humane groups, daily kills cats and dogs, all the excess daily. Well, if these humane groups can't keep control of animals without killing them, like cats and dogs, how do you expect wildlife populations to be kept under control if you can't trim that?\r\n\r\n- Undulate populations came to what we now call the North American continent, about a million years ago, as far as we can tell from the geologic records. Humans probably came 20 or 30,000 years ago. Almost all animal species evolved in the absence of significant human predation. At some point along the line, probably 10,000 years ago, humans domesticated animals. We put them into our environments, we tampered with their reproductive abilities, we tampered with their genetics. Dogs and cats can't survive out in the wild in any reliable way like those species that have been fine-tuned by natural selection over eons. The humane societies that kill dogs and cats do it with regret. They do it because people have failed in their responsibilities to care for them. And finally, after they're done, they don't wanna have the heads on the wall. And I think that's a very important distinction.\r\n\r\n- Thank you. I'd like to address my question to both speakers. And I'd like to first thank you both for coming. My question really is this, first of all, Mr. Caselli, is that correct? Did you give a statistic earlier on the number of hunters and non-hunters?\r\n\r\n- Yes, I did. I gave a national figure as, the source is the US Fish and Wildlife Service every five-year survey.\r\n\r\n- Okay, what was that statistic?\r\n\r\n- There are 15.8 million licensed hunters, according to the 1985, which is the most recent survey that's been done. And one fact is they all published that's between seven and 8% of the above 16 population in the US.\r\n\r\n- Well then my question is this, and I guess I have to preface it by a little bit of a statement. As I understand your point of view and really Mr. Bishop's point of view, we're all concerned about animals and their preservation. Wouldn't it be better if those statistics were reversed? That is to say, wouldn't it be better if 98% of this population hunted? That way we'd have 98% of the people interested in having animals around and 98% of the people putting money into having animals around. 98% of the people-- Well, I don't think I need to go on.\r\n\r\n- I'd like to, would you like me to approach?\r\n\r\n- Go 'head.\r\n\r\n- Okay. I would like to debunk the myth that somehow hunter dollars are supporting wildlife populations across this country and wild lands across this country. This country is constituted of 2 billion acres. 700 million acres are in federal hands. The Bureau of Land Management is 270 million acres and hunters didn't pay for any of those BLM lands. And the maintenance of those lands is paid for by general tax dollars.\r\n\r\n- Cattle farmers.\r\n\r\n- 191 million acres is managed by the US Forest Service and hunter dollars aren't going, didn't go to the purchase nor to the maintenance of those lands. The National Park Service is 80 million acres and no specific hunter dollars have gone for their acquisition nor their maintenance. The US Fish and Wildlife Service National Wildlife Refuge System is 90 million acres and duck stamps have paid for 3.5 million of those 90 million acres, about 4% of the total. Then there are Department of Defense lands and other lands. At the state level there are state forests and state parks. The only state lands that are paid for by hunter dollars are through the Pittman-Robertson Act Funds, although now more than half of gun purchasers are non-hunters. 4 million acres have been paid for at the state level, that's the wildlife management agency. And several hundred dollars have gone to acquisition of a certain habitat. If one is generous, one might say the hunters have helped pay for about 20 million acres of land in this country. 20 million and I challenge anyone to dispute that. Whether it's the specific Pittman-Robertson funds, bonds unlimited purchases, hunter licensed contributions to the state agencies, it's 2 billion acres. If 20, being generous, 25 million acres is somehow doing the trick for wildlife, then there's some miracle going on.\r\n\r\n- Mr. Bishop.\r\n\r\n- The only thing I might say to that is that sportsmen or certain taxpayers for this country, is we have paid through our revenue just as well as anyone else to protect national parks, protect those lands of BLM and Forest Service lands, I don't think that I can be separated out as not being a part of that. I think the point is that we're on top of all that federal land that was put aside, basically not by any general society theme to protect the land for wildlife and scenic values for all people but sportsmen are contributing on top of that. I think that's the point that has been made is we're spending 360 billion by fish and game agencies on wildlife management. And I feel that is all on top of that and yes, yes I would defend that a lot of these dollars are going into the protection of habitat. Not all of them. A lot of them are going into salaries granted. But a lot of them are going into research to better all of the wildlife species.\r\n\r\n- Mr. Caselli, in the interest of keeping this discussion factual and professional as possible, as I said initially that I'm not exactly sure which or several questions need to be cleared up. There are several things that apparently are just statements on your part. One is that your degree is in environmental science from Yale. Pardon me, but when I've read the literature, which may be wrong, that degree is actually in history. Also the Yelp poll being refuted, actually the Yelp organization felt it necessary to come out after a lot of propaganda put out by the animal rights groups and has since put its full weight of its organization behind the National Shooting Sports Foundation goal to completely say that that's very professionally done. But I wanted to ask you about is the National Park Service model that you think is such a tremendous way of managing wildlife. How do you relate to the fact then that bison have to be controlled now in Yellowstone? That elk historically have had over grazing problems in Yellowstone and are actually controlled by hunting off of the park? If they didn't migrate off the park, there would be significant problems. Also, I talked to National Park in Maryland. They're considering having their first deer hunt ever held in a national park because these National Park Service biologists that you've put on a pedestal can find no other alternative to hunting to control deer in that park. And there is a survey going out around the Park Service right now, it's just been completed, showing that a number of other national parks are expecting to have hunts. How would you clarify some of those points for us, please?\r\n\r\n- Well, first I had twin tracks in college and one of my majors was in fact Western history and the other was a major called studies in the environment. The National Shooting Sports Foundation Gala poll, you claim that it was pressure from animal rights groups. It was Alex, the president of that organization, who renounced the poll and we've got his statement on record and I don't have with me, but I'd be happy to send it to you for clarification. Regarding bison and elk in Yellowstone National Park, bison, perhaps the symbol of human persecution of wildlife, ranged in numbers at one time, 16th or 17th century, of 40 to 60 billion to 14 free-roaming animals surviving Yellowstone at the turn of the century. They built their numbers up to 2500 by the mid 1980s and three subpopulations in the Northern part or the very mountain part is the Pelican Herd. And the Northern Herd is at the Northern range of the park. It's 2.2 million acre park, 2500 bison. I'm not aware of any of the Park biologists who are saying that bison are over populated in that park. It's a very low density of bison. The reason they might've been out of the park is not for food scarcity in the park but because they're gregarious animals. They learned that there are existing range lands outside of the park and Yellowstone's boundaries were drawn in 1872, the word ecology was formed in 1866. It's a square and the Yellowstone ecosystem is much larger than Yellowstone National Park. And they wander outside of the park and they're gunned down because of, in my view, an irrational concern about they're transmitting brucellosis to cattle. Again, wild animals in the last free-roaming part of this country is being subjected to large-scale shooting because of domestic agriculture. So an elk hadn't been shot in Yellowstone in 30 years and their numbers cycle just like all other ungulate populations. They're not steady state as the game manager would like. They fluctuate up and down but natural factors are limiting their numbers and I'm confident that that will continue.\r\n\r\n- Wayne, do you mind if I--\r\n\r\n- No, not at all.\r\n\r\n- Respond to that too. I have been back in 1964 and '65 and I had to work for the Montana Game and Fish Department. I had to be part of that program outside of Yellowstone Park. And elk at that time were not over utilizing the summer range but they were definitely over utilizing, over browsing the winter range. There was no browsing, in fact, those animals were coming out of the park. We were forced into hay lifting the bales of hay. There were two elk coming out of that park and we sat there and watched them starve to death. That will never be erased in my game management mind, I'll tell you that. We've watched animals stumble around. We fed them full of hay. Their stomachs would not heed, the biologic response would not heed to digest the hay because it would have been mostly unbrowsed. We did watch those elk die by the hundreds and that was not a pretty sight. I'd far rather accept the fact of shooting those animals when they come out. And we did have to happen to do that and that's still a practice that's needed.\r\n\r\n- May I? I accept the fact that certain animals die. In systems, life is part of death. I accept that. Those elk that die of starvation provide essential winter food for black bears and grizzly bears, coyotes and smaller mammals, raptors. That's part of an ecological system. At some point in the cycle, elk might die, 10%, 15% of them, as a consequence of food scarcity. But that's not an ecological problem and it certainly takes the weak, the sick, the infirmed, those that aren't the best competitors in the long-term strengthening the genetics of a population. Whereas hunting, as some biologists have called evolution to birth because many hunters, and I've seen them kill the bison and the elk outside the park, select the biggest and the best animals.\r\n\r\n- Mr. Caselli, if we end animal husbandry because it's a pain to the essential management, would this not lead to genocide of the cow, the dog, the cat, and animals like the California condor?\r\n\r\n- I don't understand the point about the California condor. It's a native species.\r\n\r\n- Right now, it's domestic. It's not--\r\n\r\n- Well, I think that it's in captivity. To call it domestic is another matter. And there are captive breeding programs that we think are appropriate to restore a native species. We have tampered with the precursors of cows, precursors of chickens, like the wild jungle fowl. There's nothing to me magical about obtaining the genes of those species and I certainly don't have any ludicrous notion of turning these animals out back into the wild or something. We would like to see a slow phase out of those animals. If we want to keep some of them around to preserve their genetics and if they're kept in a hospitable, humane environment I wouldn't have any problem with that. But I certainly wouldn't call it genocide. I'd call it environmental responsibility and I'd call it a strong step towards stopping enormous cruelty perpetrated against sentient animals.\r\n\r\n- Mr. Caselli, you prefer natural mortality. Today's farmers now are farming right up to the fence line due to process leaving more extra habitat than necessary. Regardless of farming practices, why do you prefer the natural mortality of the starving and frozen pheasant due to lack of food and cover rather than being utilized by--\r\n\r\n- Pheasants are not native to Iowa nor to Connecticut nor to California, they're native to China. They were brought here in the late 19th century. In fact, they compete with native other birds, like prairie chickens, and have really serious impact on the environment. But no one argues that the million pheasants that are shot in Iowa annually necessarily impacting the population one way or the other. We argue that the pressures that they face in the wild are added to the pressures that they're facing from sports hunters and we consider it gratuitous shooting and gratuitous harm to those animals.\r\n\r\n- I have a question for both of you. To me, one of the greatest things in America is the fact that you can own private property. And I realize that the economic utilization of the tremendous resource in Iowa and America is very important. But yet both of you have expressed concern about that mismanagement or a possible mismanagement. What is your proposal to accomplish your goals yet allow for the economic activity of agriculture?\r\n\r\n- I believe in agriculture. And I think that it certainly has a place. I think that the best strategy for agriculture is to produce food for the people that need it but to do in an ecologically sustainable way. I'm not against capitalism, I'm not against private property, I'm not against agriculture. I think it's important to have its place. And I think that an animal-based agriculture system is wasteful of resources and it mines our soils, it mines our waterways, pollutes the environment, and I think it's unsustainable in the long run.\r\n\r\n- I feel that both wildlife programs and agriculture can coincide and both prosper. I think that's been demonstrated in several areas of the state, especially with this last farm program that developed this conservation reserve program. It has shown us that really we're over producing and we're over grazing agriculture crops. The prices are down and it doesn't make the best return on your investment. But the farm program has paid farmers to seed that land down to grassland and that has been beneficial to a lot of wildlife species. And we are seeing right now in some parts of our state they have over 2 million acres seeded down in the state today under the CRP. And yes, agriculture and wildlife programs are both tight. There are compromises to be made and the deer population is one that we're gonna compromise on. We're not gonna eliminate deer populations because they eat corn. But neither are we going to let that deer population go rampant to the point that it drastically impacts farmers' income or decimates its own habitat through some vegetation of parks or other areas that set aside in the state. Nor are we going to probably tolerate large deer populations in urban areas because the public is becoming very upset. I think yes, I think we can manage the agriculture and wildlife at the same time for the benefit of both.\r\n\r\n- Yes, time for one more quick question.\r\n\r\n- My question is for Mr. Caselli and it deals with bow hunting. I know it's not in the news very much but I was wondering, you keep claiming the 50% figure of deer, one of every two dies in the land. I was wondering how did you come about this figure, can you clarify that? And you said there was tests conducted by your organization at your facilities and how can that be unbiased?\r\n\r\n- Well, I hope I didn't mislead anyone and I hope I didn't misspeak but no tests nor bow hunting were conducted in our facilities. We have done a pretty exhaustive review of the existing literature about bow hunting and it's not much sound and scientific information on it. But it seems to be the best we have is general survey information like the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department survey of three wildlife management areas in the state of Texas. And Glen Boyes and Boris Gore are two of that state agency with these extensive surveys concluded that the crippling rate, the number of animals and percentage of animals lost and not retrieved, was about 50%. That's consistent with about 20 other surveys and partial studies that we have compiled. My point about bow hunting is that if there is an ethic that calls for the quickest, cleanest kill, why would we use hunting tool that doesn't reliably efficiently kill animals? And certainly it's not a relatively efficient killer compared to shotguns and rifles.\r\n\r\n- Okay, now we'll have five-minute closing remarks, beginning with Mr. Bishop.\r\n\r\n- I'd like to address one thing about trapping eagles. There were four eagles trapped in Iowa last year, all of those are still alive. In fact, we're going to release one of them tomorrow. None of them died as a result of trapping. The one trapper that did catch two of them, we realized that his trapping method was taking eagles, he sprung all his traps, took all his bait away, called the conservation officer, they took the eagles in. That is a very responsible trapper and we're proud when we see this type of activity. And may I remind you that it seemed in the paper the other day that was kind of a negative thing but we are very pleased for some of what those statistics show. Since 1983, the winter eagle population high was 323. In 1991, it was 642. That's a 98% increase in eagles. And yes, we're going to see more eagles get in the traps, even if we put 'em in their native exposed bed. We're gonna have six of those eagles are not trapped. One of them hit, was atop a fence, and it had to be destroyed. Another one had both legs broken, it had a wire or something else. We're going to have access to these wildlife populations. It was our eagle population that expanded and showed that very good wildlife management. Yes, we are looking at the birds that we do not hunt and we're all proud of the natural resources department of this eagle camp. So anyway, to get on with it, I'd like to just summarize a couple of three, a number of points this evening. First of all, I believe hunting is a tool for scientific management. I don't think we need to make excuses or do anything but acknowledge that it's a very valuable tool of wildlife management. And wildlife management is focused around animal welfare. And professional biologists, as I stated a few, are good examples of animal welfarists. They work long and hard hours to provide an ideal habitat for both funded and non-funded species. Managing wildlife populations through hunting and the use of animals for food are both reasonable users of animals. Licensed fees from hunters and trappers are used to protect portions of all major habitat life and benefit all wildlife species. We are providing and protecting all of those basic habitat types. If it were not for these dollars, many of these areas would not be in existence. It would not be providing thick timber cover that may provide nesting habitat for red shouldered hawks or scarred . Loss of habitat is the biggest factor that impacts or threatens any wildlife species today. The DNR manages over 300,000 acres of wildlife habitat for the wellbeing of all wildlife. These areas are used by birdwatchers, by hikers, by photographers, by educators, both for ecological study as well as hunting and wildlife viewing. So they provide a broad environmental opportunity to people. And I think hunting is humane. Alternatives to managing wild populations in the natural way, I feel that if you're talking about humaneness, hunting is not more inhumane than the natural way. The natural way is pretty harsh and cruel. Mother Nature is not for the novice. Animals that live have to die and the major question is the manner of death. Most of us do not like that but it's still a fact of life that we can not get away from. Small and medium populations are going to perish and the majority of those animals are gonna perish within a year, regardless of hunting or non-hunting. If we compare hunting and game management to no hunting or game management, Wildlife is far better off having professionals and hunters fighting to protect their habitat and their future wellbeing. We must remember that animal rights people do not concern themselves with the quality of life or animal welfare. Just as long as man does not kill these animals for food or recreation, it's all right. The natural way is okay. Painful death is accepted, as long as man is not involved. They favor no pets, no animal husbandry, no use of animals for medical research, even if it benefits humans. This is a policy judgment on the way people live. Not just hunting, we're talking about basic philosophy. Today, these people are pressing their minority views on the majority of society about the benefit of logic or scientific things.\r\n\r\n- Mother Nature doesn't stop just because hunting is permitted. Hunting adds to what already goes on in Mother Nature. I don't say that we can ever create a world where there's no pain and suffering for non-human animals, who certainly feel pain in a fundamentally similar way to you and I and the rest of us here. What I'm saying is that human beings have the capacity for choice. That we should exercise a responsible choice and try to minimize the suffering that human beings create and perpetuate. Hunting claims 200 million animals a year. It's no longer necessary, it's a recreational activity. It was a Supreme Court Justice who once said, \"Your right to swing your arm \"ends where the other person's nose begins.\" I very much believe that people can discharge firearms and recreate in so many ways. But the problem is when that recreation impacts another, then that person doesn't have all encompassing choice. And yes I do want to stop choice. I want to stop black bear hunters from shooting bears out of trees and mountain lions out of trees. I want to stop duck hunters from shooting 10 million a year when their numbers are declining. I wanna stop 15 or 20 ducks from being shot by 2 million hunters every year. I want to stop so many of these things that we do to animals in the name of recreation. And our society has already done it in some respects. We've stopped dogfighting, we've stopped cockfighting. It's the logical progression to look to other ways in which we recreationally kill and harm animals. The next logical area that we should look at is the recreational killing of wildlife, whether it's hunting or whether it's traffic. And yes, there were four eagles reported and I'm certainly glad to hear that those eagles are, at least one of those eagles is on the mend and I hope the others are. How many other eagles were trapped and not reported? Trapping has no basis in biology. It's randomly done. Trapping pressure is more motivated, as I said earlier, on the basis of sell prices than sound biology. Let's not delude ourselves and think that we somehow know how to manage the wild animal populations of this world precisely through hunting activity. The state wildlife agencies are in the business of providing service to hunters and trappers, not in the business of protecting natural diversity, not in the business of protecting wildlife. Sarah Bickerman of The Defense of Wildlife, did a study of state game and fish agencies and pointed out that more than 90% of the dollars go to game species projects. They go to hunter education, to the construction of shooting ranges, to law enforcement to keep hunting and trapping regulations, and forests, to game species research. Very little money goes to non-game species, which represent the vast majority of those species. And indeed hunters pay for licenses and have paid for licenses and those contributions have been important. We need a new system of management. We don't need to have wildlife management by gunpoint necessarily. We can have a much better and a much broader wildlife system. And the basic value question here that shouldn't be confused with biology is that animals are dying because we want to shoot them for recreational purposes. And they're suffering because we want to shoot them for recreational purposes. I don't think that's justifiable and I don't think that people who have empathy for other creatures think that's justifiable.\r\n\r\n- I'd like to thank Mr. Bishop and Mr. Caselli for being with us this evening and I'd like to thank all of you for attending this rather interesting event. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/42886/file/115474#t=0.0,2306.976"}]}]}]}