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state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116024#t=1808.17,1810.61"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116024/transcript/27862/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's what Extension's about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116024#t=1810.61,1812.53"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116024/transcript/27862/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's why we have research 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administration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116024#t=1817.86,1821.47"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116024/transcript/27862/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were created as instruments of public policy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116024#t=1821.47,1824.02"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116024/transcript/27862/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to advance the interest of the larger 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The traditional structure of peer evaluation for research does not lead to dealing with the basic question what kind of research does our country want and need? What kind of research should be emphasized, especially at a time of changing national needs? Many of us, and I'm certainly one of them, are absolutely unabashed in giving talks about the role that research plays in fostering economic development. It tends to be a simplistic argument, but there are some real truths in this. And I do this in the attempt to convince political leaders, leaders of our state, of the need for additional funds at our university. But there is another important truth, and that is not all research is practical, and even if it were, we can't tell how it will be all the time. This American research enterprise has stood largely on the high ground of the pursuit of truth and a larger public interest during this post-World War II growth and research support. It is not clear to me that research universities in our community can compete with other political forces if we step down from this high ground position. The political arena is slippery ground, and it's an arena in which there are winners and losers. Research fraud is a second issue that I find troubling. There is clear evidence of people fabricating data. There is evidence of senior scientists forcing their junior colleagues include them on work to which they had made no significant contribution. There is evidence of reviewers stealing ideas from proposals, and there are evidence of funds being spent for unintended purposes, facilities being used for private gain. There's a wonderful article in \"Nature\" about the response of the biological system to an antibody that isn't there. More importantly, David Baltimore, arguably one of our great biologists, Nobel laureate, was put on the defensive in the public arena when it was claimed that the results were falsified in the paper that he supervised. Initially, Baltimore blamed the whistleblower, but in time, was embarrassed when it was shown clearly that the study had been in fact falsified. Third, there is this debate that's still raging about indirect cost charges of the major research universities. The first victim of this debate was Stanford University. Don Kennedy, the president of that university, appeared before Representative Dingell's subcommittee in Washington. This probe has been extended to other universities, and I believe ultimately affects all of us. It has resulted in Kennedy's resignation. It's yet another arrow from the political arena. The treatment of Kennedy was very tough, and typically political. I believe it has indicated, at least in that arena, that universities have become fair game. We are not considered different, or distinctive, because of our roles. We're just like the rest seeking federal funds. The standards that are applied are largely political standards, not legal standards, and they're based on what can be, what can stand public scrutiny. I believe this debate about indirect costs has hurt all of us. It has not been a good thing, and it illustrates that this federal government that we have grown used to as a supporter of our research can be very fickle when it serves the political interests. The danger in all of this I believe is that it undermines the public's confidence in this research enterprise. Much of what we do at a university in research today is beyond the understanding of the public, even the educated public. They have to accept its value and its validity largely as a matter of faith. They must trust us. And when that faith is destroyed, the entire enterprise suffers, and I believe that could be quite unfortunate. So as members of a research university, as scholars, we have a very serious need to be vigilant, and to have a commitment to honesty, and where there is fraud or inappropriate behavior, we must step up to it quickly and decisively. The fourth challenge, and I believe the one that is important, maybe perhaps most important, is this perceived tension between research and teaching at the modern research university, and I believe it must be addressed. Make no mistake, I include myself among those who accept the complementary nature of teaching and research as an article of faith. In fact, I not only believe it, I have seen it. I've seen it in my own career, and in that of others. And what I mean by the tension between teaching and research, I don't mean the trivial idea that people are either good researchers, or good teachers, and that good research is somehow antithetical to good teaching. These are old arguments that are often advanced by people who do neither teaching, nor research well, and they do not deserve a careful response. My concern has to do with the real tensions that grow out of the time pressures that are inherent in the multifaceted responsibilities that faculty have in research universities, and the specialization that is required to advance the state-of-the-art in these various areas. Let me try to elaborate. To the extent that the demands on faculty for teaching, and research, and service grow, there are trade-offs of time. It's inevitable, and they must occur. There's no escaping it. If there's a perception by faculty and others, even if it is incorrect, that research is more important, teaching may suffer, not because the faculty can't do the teaching well. It will be because of time, and the heightened competition for support for proposals means more time writing proposals, more trips to sponsors, more time, and that time can be taken away from efforts to enhance teaching. My experience, my observation is that the impact on teaching is not typically in the classroom, but it's outside of class, where opportunities to counsel the individual students, advising discussions, the kind of informal interactions with students, particularly with undergraduates, is what really suffers as a result. I was shocked by a study by Calovich, Skelly, and others. There was a national public opinion survey firm a few years ago, did a study for a major research university of public opinion leaders in the United States. And they found that a substantial majority of these public opinion leaders believed that undergraduates do not benefit from studying at a research university. These people saw no obvious synergism between the research activities of the university on the one hand, and undergraduate instruction on the other. If this notion that teaching and research are complementary, the idea that I accept as an article of faith, and fundamental to the concept of a research university, then we've got some important opinion leaders to convince otherwise. They, I find this notion that there is not this complementarity to these two parts of our mission very dangerous and very troubling. We've got to change this view. We have got to command, we've got to do this to command the resources we need to carry out this enterprise. Another, and for me equally troubling, aspect of this tension of time between teaching and research and its impact on specialization is impact on the curriculum. To advance knowledge through research today requires a depth of understanding that often leads to specialization is in the nature of the knowledge that's about us. The specialization is institutionalized through the departmental structure that I talked about earlier. The specialization makes the discussion of curriculum issues among the faculty extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible. I have seen this with my own colleagues, even within departments. I had the privilege, I guess it was a privilege, once to join the curriculum committee to review the curriculum. And what intrigued me is that as we debated this further and further, it was clearly balkanized and bartered. It was an aerospace engineering curriculum, but the people who were interested in the thermal sciences said to those who were interested in structures, \"Give us our three courses. \"We'll work that out. \"We'll let you have your three.\" The people in thermal sciences had absolutely nothing to say about the structures, and the structures people had absolutely nothing to say about the thermal sciences. And it's not just within departments. Not many of my engineering colleagues are aware of what is happening in literature today. Mathematicians know little of biology. Biologists know little of mathematics. There is this specialization that makes very difficult a debate about education, particularly general education. I believe part of the message of this assessment movement that is in the country and is beginning to overtake universities is that this historic responsibility that the faculty have had in setting the curriculum is not being fulfilled as effectively as people would like. In the absence of some broader understanding that the faculty, and I include myself in this, are unable to talk meaningfully about liberal education, or general education, we each know our specialties, and we are very reluctant to tread into the domain of other experts. This results, I believe in a smorgasbord of courses, one from here, one from there, a kind of balkanization of the curriculum, and although it may, it often doesn't add up to a real education, a good general education. In my own field of engineering, I believe it is one of the reasons we don't do manufacturing well. Hardly anybody knows the whole system. We only know pieces of it. Well, how are we going to deal with these kinds of issues? I believe it is essential that the universities try to deal with these, because if we don't, others will, and worse, this wonderful enterprise that we have pledged our careers to could be jeopardized. I'd like to argue that in tackling these issues we start with the most fundamental first, and that is to ensure that this kind of university, a research university, in which teaching, research, and public service define our mission, that in fact these various aspects of our mission really do complement each other in a way that enriches our students, particularly our undergraduate students, and in a way that the public that's important to us understands, comprehends, and supports. We must be true to this land grant mission. To do this, I believe, for example, we have to find ways to integrate teaching and research for undergraduate students, as well as graduate students. I am a proponent of research opportunities for credit for undergraduates. That's one approach. Bringing current research into the classroom is yet another. Term projects that provide opportunities for students to review new research opportunities, yet a third. Integrating research and public service through some of these problem-oriented research centers is another means for bringing this integration together. Taking advantage of some of these multidisciplinary research centers we have as a way to bring both graduate and undergraduate students into this marriage of teaching, research, and service is yet another example. And I believe it is essential for the faculty to try to find ways, forums for educating each other about our various disciplines. But we have to gain the knowledge necessary for an informed debate about the curriculum. This is fundamentally important. It is the faculty's responsibility. Among the organizations of a university that could do that is Sigma Xi. It is one of the organizations that does transcend the disciplines. It brings together people from a variety of areas. It provides a vehicle for organizing this discussion for a mutual education of us all. But it will take time and it will take energy. It might be interesting. I am convinced that if we don't do it, someone else will do it for us. So I believe there must be an integration, or a better blending of the teaching and research and service missions of our university, particularly as they affect undergraduate education, and we had better find and value those people who make this kind of integration work well. In fact, if we don't figure out how to do this blending of teaching, research, and service more effectively, all three of those missions will suffer ultimately. It is in this sense that I think we should recommit to the total land grant mission that defines this university. It really is what we say we are, and my sense as I visit around Iowa and read what is going on nationally and visit with others, it's also what's needed. In Clark Kerr's paper that I mentioned earlier, he quotes Robert Louis Stevenson, who said, \"To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive.\" And Kerr says, \"It might almost be said \"that the perfect university is \"an imperfect one seeking perfection.\" I believe that blending teaching, research, and service in a way that complement each other better is the search for perfection that is what we should aspire to. They cannot stand alone. They must combine to benefit each other, and provide the kind of opportunity that will provide the best educational opportunities for all of our students. And on that, I would be happy to take some questions.\r\n\r\n- Thank you, Dr. Jischke. Anybody have any questions they'd like to ask? He is opening up, himself up to that opportunity. We're becoming more like private institutions in some sense, currently. Students are paying a higher percent of their costs. I'm reading that the Extension service, if people want Extension services, they're having to pay some for it. Is this all a good direction?\r\n\r\n- It's-\r\n\r\n- Any comments?\r\n\r\n- Believe me, it's complex. There are a number of things happening. First, as we try to do more, for example, we're building this much more substantial research enterprise here at Iowa State, which has happened in other institutions, we have done that largely by expanding our resource base. And so we have engaged particularly the federal government, but more recently, there has been more support for research from the private sector. It's happened in a number of universities around the country, so that the sources of income have become more varied, and some of them are private. We have become more aggressive in trying to create special opportunities on the campus through private funding from our alumni and other friends. The Durham Center, and recreation facility, those are examples of that. But also, there is a trend I believe in the country, and it concerns me, and I'll tell you why in a second, of seeing the fruits of education being visited largely upon the individuals who are here at the university, largely upon our students, and less upon the society generally. I have the sense that the explanation for the movement from grants to loans at the federal level in terms of student financial aid, the increasing willingness all over the country to increase tuition far faster than inflation. The University of California's tuition went up 40% this year. The University of Missouri System has committed itself to increasing tuition for students at the Higher Education Price Index, plus $200 per year for five consecutive years, take tuition from 2,000 to $4,000 a year. The University of Texas System has instituted tuition in the last few years. There is a general tendency to place more, a larger fraction of the burden on students. And I believe underlying this is a view that they are the primary beneficiaries, and they ought to bear a larger fraction of the cost. This question of what the balance is between the private interest of students as individuals being educated, being given opportunities, having their lives enriched as individuals, and the impact of education generally on society is a serious question, and it ebbs and flows in terms of how we perceive that balance. But if there is something fundamental to the land grant idea, it was this faith, this notion that if we all invested publicly in this kind of university, we would all benefit from this kind of university, and I am therefore troubled by this larger trend nationally. It troubles me. To personalize this, I couldn't have gotten through school without public support. The oldest of six kids from a very ordinary working class family, it just simply wouldn't have been possible to finance my education if my parents had to sign a check, or I had to, that together we couldn't have done it. So I'm concerned about that. The tension for this university and others as funding gets tighter, resources we have are low, or limited, appropriations from state government, number one, tuition and fees, number two, much of the other funding we receive, for example, for research, is restricted funding, and it has a specific target that it's intended for, and we can't use it for these more general purposes. Whether that indicates the movement towards privatizing the university or not, that's perhaps stronger than I would state it, but I believe this is a serious debate. It's a debate taking place in Iowa, as well as elsewhere. To the extent that we will be true to these land grant ideas, I think we will continue to try to find ways to mitigate against that, so that students who are able, but not necessarily financially able, or intellectually able, will still have the opportunity. It's a challenge. Yes?\r\n\r\n- In your opinion, do you think students have the kind of voice that they need to be able to give their input to the kinds of things you were talking about, for example, curriculum, or into the research opportunities that, you know, granted would help them quite a bit in their education?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, and I would argue that on a couple of grounds. The first question of who ought to make the judgments about curriculum, and I believe that the most learned among us should, and that argues for the faculty having the primary responsibility. That has historically been true in universities. And second, given the 3,500 colleges and universities in the United States, there is wide choice of the different kinds of curriculums and programs of instruction that people can choose from. So there's lots of variety out there. I know the choice for students is limited. My concern is as we become specialists as faculty that assuring that this balance between practical and often specialized education on the one hand, and a liberal general education on the other, which is another basic idea of these land grant universities, becomes increasingly difficult to achieve because we don't have the basis for having the debate about what the general curriculum should be. We don't know enough about the general curriculum. Concerned a bit. Yeah?\r\n\r\n- I have a question about you mentioned those three areas that are of importance to you, service, research, and teaching, and in the advancement, or in gaining tenure for an individual faculty member, I was wondering, we can assess research. We can look at it, and we can see if an individual has contributed. Do you have any thoughts on how a person, or how a university can assess advancements, or effectiveness in teaching and service?\r\n\r\n- Sure, let me speak to specifically the teaching, 'cause my view is that you can quantitatively measure both research and teaching. You can count papers, you can count proposals, you can count invited talks. More difficult questions deal with the qualitative aspects of research. How significant is it, how enduring? And those are judgments ultimately that have to be made by peers, and they're imprecise, but important. Similarly, in teaching, you can count the number of students. You can count the number of courses taught. You can count the number of courses developed, or textbooks written, or papers written. The qualitative aspects of effective teaching are more difficult to measure. I believe, in my own experience, that students are a useful source of information on this, and I have been a proponent of student evaluations. I believe they ought to be confidential, because I believe the basic thrust ought to be to improve teaching. I think students have lots of effective ways of finding out how teachers are. There's a network that was very effective when I was a student, and I have all kinds of reasons to believe it remains effective. But the deeper questions, not only of whether the students have learned the material, and are prepared for yet the next course, and are achieving in some narrow sense the growth of knowledge, but harder questions about whether they have had their appetite whetted intellectually, you know, whether they leave this university not only educated, but prepared to continue to be educated, whether they have been inspired a bit, those are more difficult things to judge, and again, I tend to turn to the peers. But I think you can evaluate both. Service, similarly, the more difficult questions are questions of the quality of the activity. I also believe that even when it's difficult to measure these things and to assess them that the only worse thing is to not even try, because in doing so, you say it's not very important. So I argue for comprehensive, multifaceted measures, and rely heavily on the peers, but not exclusively. I believe, particularly in teaching, that students ought to play a role in that, if only to say to them that we really are serious about this. Yeah?\r\n\r\n- I think you're aware there's a continuing debate about land grant universities, and particularly in terms of where they, how it, what audience should they serve? Are they an elitist organization, or are they an egalitarian organization or institution? And I think this refers to economic considerations as well as to intellectual considerations, and this begins to surface perhaps in the intellectual area when one debates entrance requirements, as an example, or as one begins to design a curriculum, as one begins to work in another opportunity. How would you respond to the question, or the statement that the view that you're proposing seems to favor the elitist side, rather than the egalitarian side?\r\n\r\n- I don't think I agree with the conclusion though. If that's the impression you have gotten, then I have not communicated very effectively. In terms of our history, there's just no question that the land grant universities were an instrument of the public policy to expand access. That's clear, and it succeeded, succeeded admirably, I believe. In a real world of limited resources, the question of how effectively one uses those resources in creating access is a real challenge. I believe that universities should have admission standards, not so much for elitist reasons, but I believe it most deeply because I think we need to give students some indication of what is required for success. I was more, I was of an era and went to an institution wherein my first course in chemistry the professor gave that whole cliche about look to the left, and look to the right. I find that a bankrupt idea. I believe we ought to have admission standards, so that students come to us with some reasonable expectation that if they apply themselves, they will succeed. And for those who don't have the requisite background, or ability, that they're being offered other avenues. I am a proponent in that sense of the community college system, of transfers. So I would argue for greater access. I don't necessarily believe that means open access to anybody to any institution, because it's too inefficient in the use of resources. But all of my views are I feel fairly strongly that both for the development of individuals as members of a society, for the full richness of their lives, but also for very practical reasons of where the good jobs are, and what we need in the society, I argue for more people being educated. How to do that efficiently, what our role is in that system is a matter for serious discussion and debate. I don't have much horror with the current entrance standard that says if you've graduated, I believe, in the upper half of your class in Iowa, you're admitted to the university. It seems to me to be a relatively open, liberal admission standard. And for those who don't meet that, there are yet other ways that they can ultimately gain access to this university. I would argue for that. I think the notion that issues of efficiency aren't serious and important questions, I just don't agree with that. Frankly, under the current circumstances, they have taken on a certain urgency. They are very serious questions, and how we use these precious funds, who we invest them in, who is accorded this opportunity, I think is a very important question. So I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion you made-\r\n\r\n- I think perhaps I could have stated that poorly as a conclusion, but it seems to me that in saying that you're going to be very efficient and serving students with a particular background, and at the same time, the national trend is perhaps increasing costs, are we moving from the, more from the egalitarian context, towards the elitist-\r\n\r\n- Oh, that , and I think that's why I am troubled by this trend of putting a greater share of the burden on students. I think one of the dangers in this is that we could make it increasingly difficult for students who have the ability, but don't have the resources. That troubles me. And I don't have a simple answer for it, because I believe that the basic question, the deepest issue, is a public policy question of how do we view this public enterprise? Do we view it as something for all of us to which we all contribute, and from which we all benefit, or do we see it largely as an enterprise whose benefits are visited only upon those who come here? The history of these kinds of universities is that there was a pretty deep faith that would, this would not only benefit the students who came here, but it would benefit the whole state. That's what Extension's about. That's why we have research programs. These institutions were not created, in my view, for the students, or the faculty, or the administration. They were created as instruments of public policy to advance the interest of the larger society. That's why we have public universities. That's what Morrill's Act was all about. And I'm just suggesting that today we're revisiting that question a bit, and one could interpret the trends nationally where the costs are being borne, as a questioning of that. 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but,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116025#t=982.72,985.12"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116025/transcript/27864/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you've got less dollars, (indistinct).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116025#t=985.12,987.02"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43218/file/116025/transcript/27864/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I don't see it as a change in 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I know some of them by reputation, Grinnell, for example, enjoys a wonderful reputation nationally. My sense is that those institutions, because of their, they tend to have a special niche in this larger enterprise, have been plainly quite successful. They have had the capacity to adapt and adjust quickly. They continue to attract large numbers of very good students. I remember reading an article by David Riesman, the Harvard sociologist, I'm gonna say this is about 10 years ago, in which he commented that in reviewing American institutions of higher education that the most vital, the ones that seem most alive, the most successful were the colleges that were religiously affiliated, and brought a dimension to the experience of students that created an extraordinarily rich environment. So I think the institutions that you've mentioned, the private, largely teaching largely undergraduate liberal arts colleges, contributed richly to this diversity in higher education in our country. And frankly, the good ones, they have a very secure future in my view. The last time I looked at Grinnell it had a $300 million endowment, so they will, they've got staying power, but more fundamentally, part of the richness of this American system is its diversity, and in a nation of our size and diversity, they appeal to different students. And I think that's healthy. I believe part of what has made the American system, our education, as good as it is, is this competition. We compete for those students as well. And we have to understand ourselves well in that competition, I don't think that's bad at all. I think the fact that we aggressively recruit students is a good thing because it's part of the test of that market. To the extent they come, I believe they perceive we offer rich opportunities. To the extent they don't, demographic society, that's a signal that perhaps you've got to adjust a little bit. I was pleased to see our enrollment be higher than we had predicted, and I think that's primarily because we're working harder, that this is a real competition. Yes.\r\n\r\n- I'm enthused about your philosophy between the marriage of research and teaching, and sharing that with undergraduates. I work for the honors program, and we set up a certain program for our freshmen, matching them with faculty on campus, do a spring semester with the research, needless to say, I don't think that philosophy is widely shared among the university. Granted, these are freshmen, but we think giving them their first taste of research and finding out what the students give us as feedback, they get turned on by it, and they want more. How do you make, or what's the best way to get these researchers to share and take the risk with students, and how can we give those students more opportunities?\r\n\r\n- I haven't had a lot of experience with freshmen in research, but the very best graduate students I ever had first brought into my research program as undergraduates. In fact, I would regularly volunteer to teach first course in fluid dynamics so I can get my hooks into the best students. There was already one or two in the class that had that sort of spark and interest, opportunities for research of our undergraduates is not for everybody. We've got a large fraction of our students who are working and frankly never had the time, all they can do to keep up with their regular classwork. But for some, it's a very important experience. It satisfies a desire that many students have for their kind of direct interaction with the faculty, search for mentors, and it provides them with I think a very enriching educational opportunity to really tackle unstructured problems, to see somebody who is skilled in the art of tackling difficult questions, do it, to watch it, to be part of that. And I think it inspires lots of them into graduate school. One of the experiences I had with these students that I work with, is that when it came time for the graduate school decision we didn't argue about stipends. They were happy to take whatever I can get them. It was interesting to me. So I would argue first to make the point to faculty that trying to attract the very best undergraduates into research is in their interest as researchers. It is in their interest as part of this university community. And to the extent that we can find resources to encourage that, I would like to do that. I think that would be a good idea. I must admit, in this current budget environment it is difficult to find additional resources. You see funding agencies and National Science Foundation in particular setting aside, when you encourage this kind of thing, I think it's a good idea. And for certain kinds of problems, frankly, my experience is the undergraduates were as good as the graduate students I could find. But I think the most important idea, and the one that I would like to emphasize, is that we must make good, this idea of the complimentary nature of these three parts of our mission, that defines this kind of university. And if we get drawn into the trap of believing they're not complimentary, and are antagonistic, then I think we fall into the question, the kind of university we are. And I have to believe in this kind of university, I would like to see it working, prosper, and really bring forth all of the promise that is here. And one of the issues is our undergraduates want to have some contact with the faculty, to the extent you make those opportunities available more readily, it benefits them and the institution. Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- Well, I'm sure that many of us hear your support of the basic concepts of the land-grant institution as encouraging, however, there's one thing in the proposal cut extension, like all percent of it like this, doesn't seem to fit well with that concept at this time. Can you speak to that?\r\n\r\n- Yeah. Let me correct you in one sense. It is not a cut of extension, it is a reallocation within extension. Extension's budget is not being cut. The funds that are there are being re-allocated within extension. And that is in response to these budget stresses we have all faced, that is the view of the leadership and extension. I haven't reviewed the proposal specifically, so I don't want to comment on them specifically, but it is in part to try to come to grips with the reality of the current level of funding, in taking budget cuts that have come down in the last year or so, some of them have been done in what I will call of necessity, opportunistic ways, positions were vacant, it was easy to take the money out there, but it has led to a extension program that is not as well balance focused as the leadership of extension believes, and some changes have to be made to accommodate that. Extension is a rich part of the land-grant tradition. Perhaps the unique thing about land-grant universities, this notion of service of taking the knowledge of the assets that are at the university and sharing them very widely and very broadly, has had an enormous impact in Iowa, the impact in particular in agriculture is substantial and profound, but the world is changing. The access to information today is much different than it was 100 years ago when we started to offer extension. The purveyors of that information are more than universities. And what the extension's role in the modern land-grant university I think is a subject for serious debate. It is changing. It's changing in terms of the national level, and the funding there. It is changing at the state level. What is going on today in extension though is an adjustment to, a reaction to, a dealing with, the budget reductions that have taken place previously, and frankly is what the whole rest of the university's trying to wrestle with, the taskforce, how do we accommodate the current level of resources which is less than it was a year ago? That's the issue. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Comment that that does, oh, maybe 15 years ago there was a scientist who wrote on research management and they're trying to , they made a comment which . He said is the only way to start something new, is to stop something old. requisite administrator is to be a good, ruthless .\r\n\r\n- The comment , if I understand correctly, what was the problem is you have and you've got to advance, to do some new things you have to stop some old. And I think, for people of my generation, this has not been our experience until recently. I had some older friends, educators, who had told me that \"You have been in the golden age. You just don't know.\" And we are having to accommodate, I believe part of what is happening is that we are at a confluence of a nation in a much more competitive environment, and with an economy that's not growing at a rate that allows us to do a lot of new things in addition to what we have been doing, that's one fact of life. And the second one is a kind of reality that it's difficult to get those who have supported us to devote a larger fraction of the existing resources to our enterprise. And third, the world is changing in which the demands upon us are growing. So the questions of efficiency and choice are real questions, and they're unavoidable, and many people in society, particularly in the private sector, believe they have been through this, and have done the sort of things we're talking about. And it's our turn. I mean, I hear a lot of that outside of the university, sympathy, understanding of the difficulty, wish it weren't the case, but sort of welcome to the 90s. I mean I've heard that. And these are friends of education, these are not mean-spirited people who do not care about our enterprise, they care deeply about it, but they believe it is in the nature of our time. We have to adapt to this. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Hope you'll forgive me changing tack a little bit again from that to something else, but, you've talked a lot about specialization among faculty and also obviously in students also, and specializing in research and things like that, is, well, let me back up a second. I know in a lot of the technical majors there are a lot of required courses, there are a lot of credits that are required among a lot of the different technical majors. Is there room, in your opinion, for a core curriculum of many other, a broader base of courses? It seems to me like a lot of students that are getting in the technical majors at a school like this get so involved in those particular areas, that specific area, that they just do not have the kind of broad education, which I think a lot of people thought that people used to get, you know, it wasn't quite as specialized, people would get into philosophy and history and things like that. Do you think that there's a need for a core curriculum? Is there a need for more broad-based education?\r\n\r\n- I mean, I have some private opinions as a single member of the faculty and I want to say this precisely, the president does not determine the curriculum, and that's good. I do have opinions. I tend to be one who argues as this member, individual faculty, for a broader curriculum. Part of my own experience, my biases about what are important and what endures, but the most important message is that this is the responsibility of the faculty, and what I am arguing for is to find ways to have that discussion within the faculty. And it is a difficult one in the nature of our institution, it makes it quite difficult. We are large and complex. We're all extraordinarily busy. But beyond that, the deeper issue is that to do our jobs on a day-to-day basis, we have become very specialized. I know a lot about fluid mechanics, I know less about biology and less about history, and the danger in that specialization is that, you know so little that you can't even contribute to the debate, you don't know the debate, you don't even know the questions, much less the answers, and I'm arguing for trying to deal with that. It's a difficult thing to do, it takes time and energy, but I believe it is part of the nature of this land-grant university to try to find that balance between a practical, and therefore specialized, education, and a richer, more general, more liberal education. Where the balance is varies with time, to be sure. But I'm one that argues that we ought to try to tackle those, and my experience has been, as a participant, that these are extraordinarily difficult to do. It's hard to have a discussion when everybody's speaking a different language. We're not hearing the questions. It tends to get vulcanized and bartered and out of that comes a hodgepodge. And that's unfortunate. Part of what's neat for me about being at a university is being with a lot of people who have different views of the world, of truth, of duty, and understand how you solve a lot of different kinds of practical problems. There's a sort of richness in that that I enjoy participating in, that I think is an important part of the education we provide students. How to do that is the challenge, and all I'm trying to suggest is we try to find ways to begin the discussion, and you don't want to by the president, frankly, I don't think that would be good. Because ultimately it's the faculty that has to do it. They're the ones that do the teaching.\r\n\r\n- , I think we'd better...\r\n\r\n- One more, and then I'll quit. Nothing worse than an unasked question.\r\n\r\n- extension service, with the reallocation, will the mission change in some sense, or what would be some of the-\r\n\r\n- I wouldn't say the mission would change, but the particular areas in which is the mission is played out will. Put superficially, probably be fewer things done, but the notion of extending the university's knowledge, to solve problems and help people with decisions, that will persist, that is the mission, to extend the institution, that will persist. In what areas we will extend it, and how, the mechanism, how it is organized, I think, I don't see how it can't change, when you start taking money out, real things happen, either intended or not. You can kid yourself that you're continuing to do what you did before, but, you've got less dollars, . So I don't see it as a change in mission, I see it as a reallocation, reorganization both for greater efficiency, and somewhat more focus. So there are real choices involved. 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