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My name is Stephan Schmitt and I'll be moderating tonight's program. And here's what we're gonna do. I'll introduce the speaker. Our guest will deliver her address. After the lecture we'll have a period for questions and answers and comments. And I would ask you to keep your questions or comments short because given the size of the audience tonight I'm sure lots of people would like an opportunity to become involved in the discussion. And after the formal program we're gonna have refreshments in this side of the room and book signings in that side of the room. And we hope that you will enjoy the program. As you know, this series was made possible by a number of sponsors including the Jewish Community Relations Council, the Jewish Federation of Greater Des Moines, the Aims Coalition for Peace and through Iowa State University's Hillel Miller Endowment which was established through the generosity of the late F. Wendell Miller, the Committee on Lectures and the Institute on World Affairs, which is funded by the government of the student body. The speaker tonight from many of you doesn't really need an introduction but I will give one anyway because I think she's an extraordinarily qualified and interesting person. I'm sure you've seen her if not on media, on heard her on public radio then perhaps you've seen the movie that was made in which was largely scripted apparently around some of her work in the federal government. Dr. Stern, Dr. Jessica Stern is a lecturer in public policy and the faculty affiliate of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. From 1994 to 95 she served as director for Russian Ukrainian and Eurasian Affairs at the National Security Council where she was responsible for National Security Policy towards Russia and the former Soviet States and for policies to reduce the threat of nuclear smuggling and terrorism. Obviously given the years 1994 to 95 you know whose administration that was in. Stern earlier worked at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. 1998/99 she was not just the terrorism fellow but the super terrorism fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations probably the country's most and influential foreign policy body. 1995 to 96 she was a national fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. She's the author of a number of books. I think we have two of them here, \"The Ultimate Terrorists\" and the other book which I will mention in one second, and obviously also lots of articles on terrorism and on weapons of mass destruction. She received her bachelor's degree from Barnard College in chemistry and a Master of Science from MIT and a doctorate in public policy from Harvard. Dr. Stern's presentation tonight is titled \"Terror in the Name of God, Why Religious Militants Kill\" and that of course is the title of this book. This book was designated as one of the notable books of 2003 by the New York Times. And I would ask you to help me welcome Dr. Stern to Iowa State University.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much, it's great to be here. I've never been to Iowa before, and I'm having a great time. I want to start by telling you about the project that culminated in the book, \"Terror in the Name of God\". I had been researching a book on the prospect for terrorists to use weapons of mass destruction the other book \"The Ultimate Terror\" that's also here apparently. And that was a book that I was very well-trained to write. It was about weapons of mass destruction which I had been working on professionally throughout my career. And it occurred to me as I was finishing that books that some of the individuals that had attempted to acquire or actually acquired chemical or biological weapons were living in the United States and that I might be able to contact them. And this is not something that is the norm for scholars to think about phoning terrors. And I, you know, I have to tell you that I was really frightened. The first phone call I made, I called the local police and I called the neighbors even before telephoning William Pierce who's the late leader of the National Alliance which is a neo-Nazi organization. And soon after that, I had an interview with someone that really was kind of a life-changing experience. It was someone who had been second in command of an identity Christian cult that's a white neo-Nazi cult. And this group had acquired a large drum of cyanide with the aim of killing large numbers of people in major cities, with the goal of persuading the Messiah to return more quickly. And he seemed to me not only to be deeply religious, but also deeply spiritual. And I was very confused because I had an idea that the those things being very religious and very spiritual made people better human beings. Not that it wasn't gonna turn them into doing things that in my view were quite evil. And also, I must say he seemed a Michiganer. So I decided that not being an authority on Michiganer when I went to see him in Texas that I would bring a psychologist with me. And I brought Dr. Steven Cole whose work you may know he's actually a pollster. He has been studying the views of the American public on foreign affairs for many years but he has a side specialty which is helping people overcome difficult mystical experiences. So I thought he'd be the right guy to bring with me. And he told me that this man was not mentally ill despite having thought that killing large numbers of people would change the timetable of the Messiah's return that it was an organizational phenomenon. And that inside a group the group itself begins to lose its connection with what most of us think of as reality. And all the individuals within it are able to because they believe in something overcome the strictures of the Judeo-Christian just war tradition. And when it comes to the Muslims who do the same thing also the Islamic just war tradition and essentially also of doing what their mothers taught them was wrong. They start to really believe this and they kind of slip over the more religiously certainly as as far as most of us are concerned. From Texas, I went to Pakistan quite a few times. I got to know the Pakistani Jihadi groups quite well. And these are groups that many of them are members of Bin Laden's International Islamic Front. And I went to Beirut, I talked to Hezbollah, I met with Sheik Fadlallah. I don't actually cover Hezbollah in my book because most of the people I met with were parliamentarians. Hezbollah is the clean political machine in Lebanon. Americans think of it as a terrorist organization. And it has a terrorist organization, but in Lebanon it's mostly a clean political force greatly admired not only by Shia, but also by Sunni's and Christians. I went to Gaza where I met with Abu Shanab who was killed by the Israeli government about a month ago, maybe nope, several months ago. And I also met with Dr. Rantissi the pediatrician who served as the leader Hamas for a very brief period until he also was killed. Recently, I went to Israel and talked to Jewish terrorists, some of them retired. I actually met with the man who organized the group that said the Aramaic prayer that would purportedly lead to the death of Rabin. And this man who is a mystic and a criminal really claimed to believe that that prayer had resulted in the murder of Rabin. I went to Indonesia. This was in the summer of 2001. And when I came back from these trips especially to Pakistan and Indonesia, I found that my colleagues area specialists were quite skeptical. When I came back from Pakistan the view of people who really know Pakistan well was that I had really, obviously I looked at the world with a particular lens and you know, that woman wherever she looks, she's gonna see a terrorist. And similarly, when I came back from Indonesia I got the same kind of reception. And of course, Indonesia specialists and specialist on Pakistan no longer think that this was an aberration that I was just looking at the world in a particular way. So I wanna talk to you about four kinds, four levels of vulnerabilities or risk factors that I've identified as a result of my studies talking to terrorists and also my reading of other people's work. And though those four levels are the global level the national level, the level of the individual and if there's time, I'll talk about the, what happens at the level of the organization. At the global level, it won't surprise you to hear that a major vulnerability leading to the spread of terrorism is the internet. And terrorists are very aware of this vulnerability. I will tell you about one man who made it into my book even though he doesn't kill in the name of God. He is a very good example of a lone-wolf avenger an individual who on his own decided to take down the government, the U.S government in this case. And I felt I had an excuse to put them in the book. He's a very interesting man even though he's not a religious terrorist. He is basically at the cutting edge of this kind of lone-wolf terrorism. And he's an MIT trained chemist who started out his career as a chemist by coming up with a way to make designer drugs in such a way that it was not illegal. He wasn't using illegal inputs in any controlled inputs. And he managed to come up with drugs that were apparently quite effective, but skirting around the law. And he started a company that didn't do very well. And he owed the IRS a lot of back taxes and he didn't wanna pay. And he got angrier and angrier at the IRS. And he started going after them with stink bombs. And the IRS didn't really like this. In addition to that, he came up with an internet scheme called assassination politics that would enable individuals to donate digital cash to those who correctly predict the death of what he called a slime ball or miscreant. He was out to rid the world of slime balls and miscreants and some of the miscreants are government officials especially IRS agents. And the IRS felt that this scheme could have worked. And they were very troubled by his activities and went to search his residence and found that he had been experimenting with chemical and biological weapons and indeed had an immediate precursor to a nerve agent and apparently had gotten pretty far in his experimenting although whatever it was he was doing, some of it is not in the public record and I wasn't able to get access to it. But the government says that he had gone farther. And I had, in this particular case no reason to doubt the government having spent a lot of time on the telephone with this gentleman. He understands the importance of the internet. He use the internet to come up with the scheme assassination to spread his plan to recruit in a way for his plan to rid the world of slimeballs and miscreants. But he also talks about how the internet makes it possible for individuals to take down a government. So he understands in a theoretical sense how important it is. At the national level, some of the risks, at the level of states I mean, some of the risk factors that have been identified not by myself, but by other scholars include the natural resource curse. States that are cursed with a single natural resource such as oil seem to have trouble with their economies over the long-term. But for some reason also have trouble establishing a functioning democracy. There's a correlation it's not, I don't think anybody's suggesting causally but there's definitely a correlation that can be observed. Low GDP per capita seems to be a major risk factor it's for violence. It is considered to be a very good proxy for weak states. This is a work by James Sphera and David Leighton. They're both professors at Stanford and I liked their work very much, but I have to admit that when I went around talking to terrorists I noticed that terrorists thrive in failed states. Now low GDP per capita is also a proxy for poverty. And yet these two scholars aren't prepared to say that poverty in itself is a cause of internal war or terrorism. And I think I'll just address that issue directly since it's such a hot issue. I don't think that there's any evidence that poverty causes terrorism. And some of you may have seen the work of Alan Krueger an economist at Princeton he has purportedly shown that poverty and lack of education are not correlated with terrorism. In fact, he believes just the opposite. But I think he has very selective data. So I don't buy his argument. He looks at those of your interest in I'll tell you exactly my complaint about his data. It's very narrow. I won't go into details here, but the general hypothesis that poverty isn't a cause of terrorism on its own seems to me to be fairly likely to be right given that there are so many poor countries around the world that don't produce terrorists. And I believe, see a lot more terrorism in poor countries if it were directly related. However, I have seen the way terrorists leaders take advantage of the poor. And I'll talk about that a bit more. They use the poor as cannon fodder. They take advantage of those who can't find other kinds of jobs. Maltreatment of women interestingly seems to be a risk factor for trouble establishing a functioning democracy as well as for violence. Maltreatment of women also is an indicator of possible problems with unnatural ratio of males to females which is a very important indicator for possible violence. Even the CIA is now putting it on. If you look at the CIA's website, you'll see that high ratio of males to females is put up on country profiles because it is now taken so as a risk factor for violence. So those are some of the issues that seem to be problems at the level of the nation state when we look at sort of the macro level. Of course festering interstate conflicts is another one that I failed to mention. It's at the individual level that I've had the most interesting results going around the world just asking terrorists why they do what they do. And as I said, I got curious not only why they do what they do what makes them join these organizations and what makes them stay, but also what happens within the organization to create that kind of group pathology that Dr. Steve Cole felt was going on in regard to that identity Christian cope that he visited with me. I think there are three kinds of benefits that terrorist groups offer their members. The first is, and I'm gonna speak a little bit in the language of collective action. I know, I see there are a lot of students in the room and so I'll just say briefly that you can think of terrorism as a collective action problem that terrorists claim to be promoting a public good. And just as Mancur Olson talked about selective incentives to get people to contribute to other kinds of collective acts. And I think that's exactly what goes on in terrorist groups only it's not just the kind of material incentives that Mancur Olson talked about. So here are the kind of basket of goods that I think these groups offer. At the moral or spiritual level, there is the excitement of feeling that one is contributing to an important and good cause. And it doesn't mean that cause is sort of organic that the terrorists are always representing something that the population demands. Terrorism often starts out because there is a grievance that most of us would find perfectly understandable if not perfectly legitimate. But over time the grievance will shift. It becomes a marketing strategy and that's something very important to bear in mind. But as we look at, for example how the organization Al Qaeda is evolving, it started out with a mission of defeating Soviet forces in Afghanistan. The group that became Al-Qaeda had that mission. Al-Qaeda then claim credit, not only for defeating the Soviet union in Afghanistan but destroying a superpower. So as did the Pakistani Jihadi groups that participated in that war, but Al-Qaeda then switched its mission. When Saddam attacked Kuwait, Bin Laden offered his services to King Fahd saying that he would like to defend Saudi Arabia from Saddam, and he was rebuffed. And he found a new mission which was forcing U.S troops out of Saudi Arabia. Now U.S troops are leaving Saudi Arabia. So Al-Qaeda has actually accomplished its second mission but as it goes along, the group keeps changing its mission. It's more or less the March of dimes and terrorist organizations. Once it accomplishes one mission, it finds a new mission. So I believe that we should be skeptical of terrorist groups that become professional over time. They will find new missions and we should be skeptical that the individuals involved in the terrorist organization are exclusively motivated by a grievance. By thinking of terrorism in that way, I think we romanticize it and we also won't be able to fight it because it's just wrong. The second basket of goods that terrorist groups offer their followers are emotional rewards. Individuals often come into these groups through social networks, preexisting social networks. It's not that surprising these are often secret societies. And if you think about what you would do if you were running a secret society under risk you'd wanna make sure that those you recruit into the organization were people that you could trust. And even if they don't come in through preexisting social networks very quickly they become very attached to their comments and leaders are quite aware of this. Just as military leaders are by the way that when faced with violence, individuals are deeply concerned about protecting their comrades and they often forget about that grievance that they're fighting to redress during those periods. The most important thing that I feel that terrorist groups offer followers on an emotional level is a new collective identity. And this is one of the variables that I have seen in every group that I've studied. And I've looked at, I've mentioned, I've looked at Islamist groups, I've looked at Jewish groups I've looked at Christian groups, I've also looked at Hindu groups, although I don't write about them. And I know something about the Buddhist groups operating in Sri Lanka, although I've never interviewed them. Every religion is susceptible to this. Every single operative that I've ever talked to has talked about humiliation in one way or another, and how the group even if he doesn't use that word how the group offers a new identity with honor or dignity. And I wanna give you a couple of examples. The man who was second in command of that identity, Christian Cole told me that he was very sickly as a child and he was forced to take the girls gym class. And that the first time he felt strong was when he was surrounded by a group of armed men living on an armed compound. The founder and leader of the Muslim Janbaz Force, a group in Kashmir, his name is Firdaus Sayeed told me that he started that group not because he was concerned about nationalist feelings about Kashmir. This is quite interesting because we usually think of indigenous Kashmiri groups as being more nationalist than religious. But he told me that he was motivated by what he heard in a Jamaat-e-Islami Mosque. Jamaat-e-Islami is by its own description, a fundamentalist approach. It's a fundamentalist organization they call themselves fundamentalist. And what he heard was that the Islamic world had been humiliated by the Western world. And indeed that the West was deliberately out to humiliate the Islamic world. And that the way to overcome that feeling of humiliation was by participating in a so-called jihad. And what he did was participate in a jihad against India in Kashmir. These groups are now very closely aligned with Al-Qaeda as I said, they're now participating in a jihad against the West. This is very important to understand because it means that when we think about how to fight terrorism we have to bear the sense of humiliation in mind and how our enemies are going to use our actions to strengthen that feeling of humiliation among their followers. There are also very important material incentives that these groups offer. So groups that function in poor countries payments are very important. And this was a very big surprise to me. I discovered that for mid-level managers not for the cannon fodder, but for mid-level managers terrorism is really a high paying job. And in fact I met some who said they would really like to quit but they couldn't afford to quit. Indeed I met one man whom I describing the book who wanted not only to quit his organization, but to defect did the United States. And I was very alarmed when he came to tell me this because I knew when I was doing this research in Pakistan, that I was only doing it because Pakistan's intelligence agency was allowing me to do it, that I was not gonna get anywhere, I was not gonna see anything that they didn't want me to see. And so I really thought this might have been some kind of setup that could be dangerous well for me and also for him. I really didn't know what was going on and so it was a very difficult moral decision but I decided the right response was to tell him, \"Great quit your group and not do anything with that information.\" And he interestingly did quit and had an idea I don't know where he got this idea that he would be able to support himself very well if he saw the book. And I told him that on my book, \"The Ultimate Terrorist\" I thought that I had earned significantly less than minimum wage writing it but he was not going to be moved. He's still living. Most of his friends thought that once he started writing about his experiences, he would be killed pretty quickly. He wasn't able to earn the money that he hoped he would and didn't sell the stories he had hoped to sell but I can tell you why he wanted to quit. And that is that he discovered that the leaders that persuaded him to join this organization were not in it because they were worried about the Kashmiri people. They were in it because they were making a lot of money. And I learned about this also through my own interviews. I interviewed the leader of the organization he worked for and this man had obviously been briefed in advance of my visit, or it seemed to me quite likely he had been instructed about what to say. And the interview was really, it was really a waste of my time because he was lying and lying and I told him, I knew he was lying and I told him I'd like to include him in a database but I couldn't do so if he was gonna continue lying. Well anyway at one point he said to me, \"I am ready to go back to the battlefield at any time.\" I was meeting with him in the capital city in Islamabad, in a very horrible looking office with a burnt-out Jeep in the back, you know in a kind of foyer, open foyer, very distressing. But even though it was a very distressing environment that he was showing me, I didn't believe him. I thought that that was yet another lie. Like the other ones he was telling me about how they were no, there was no training of Mujahideen in Afghanistan even though by that time those camps had been identified publicly and satellite photographs and that there was no training. And that the Pakistani there was no training in Pakistan and none in Afghanistan. And none of the Pakistan jihadis were going into Afghanistan. And there was no involvement in the Pakistani government in the so-called jihad and in Kashmir. But anyway, I felt he was lying and I just had this flash of insight that maybe he didn't wanna go back to the battlefield because he was in love. I can't explain to you why it came into my mind, but it did. And I asked him, \"Are you married?\" And sure enough, he said he had just gotten married. He had just gotten married for the second time. He farmed the first wife to his parents out to his parents' house. And his new wife was living right around the queer. And so I asked if in their house and I asked if I could meet her. And he said, \"Yes, I could.\" I think he was so taken aback by that question that he said, \"Yes.\" So I went with him and I saw that he was living in a gigantic mansion. Everything was absolutely pristine. When I was meeting with him in his office I was actually afraid to drink the tea even though the water is boiled you can't drink water that isn't boiled in South Asia, if you're an American because your stomach's too weak, or I don't know immunologist can tell us why not, but it's not a good idea. I was afraid to drink the tea. And yet when I got to his house, I was offered Coca-Cola in closed bottles and obviously had been on ice. They were made scurrying about. He had a beautiful young wife who is from Saudi Arabia where he went on fundraising missions. She spoke perfect English. This was just a very good example of what I think this young man had figured out about how these groups operate. And it's not that every leader lives that way, not at all just as there are many kinds of incentives that I've outlined for you that the groups offer followers, also leaders are different. Some are interested in the report of spiritual rewards the satisfaction of contributing to what they feel is a good cause. Perhaps the 72 virgins, if they are promoting, they may see that as a spiritual incentive. Some are interested in the the satisfaction emotional satisfaction of being a leader, or are very vain. They're interested in the glamour. And I believe that for being Latin that has become a very, very important incentive. That sense that he's a glamorous and important personage. Also, the material rewards are important to consider when we look at what happens in the madrassas and present to the extremist madrassas most madrassas are like the equivalent of Catholic schools in the United States. They're just religious schools, but some of them function as factories of jihad. And what happens is in very poor rural areas, often parents can't afford the very minor fees for bus fare and books. And they end up sending their children to these schools where they get free housing and free food and much more than just memorizing the Koran but they don't get much of an education at these extremist schools. They're encouraged during their summer vacations to be Mujahid interns essentially. On one of the visits to an extremist madrasa that I took the chancellor who was an extremely charismatic man allowed me to talk to any of the students. He just, he went with me and I could talk to any of them. And I asked all of the young men I met with what would you like to do when you grow up? And every single one with the exception of two of them said they wanted to be Mujahideen. I asked them, \"How do you feel about America?\" \"Down with America,\" they said. I asked them, \"Why do you say down with America?\" They'd say, \"Well, everybody says that.\" They don't know why they feel that anti-American but it's just something that they're getting from this charismatic leader and from their friends. They're really being taught hate in these schools. Two young men did not wanna be Mujahideen. One said he wanted to be a doctor. And I saw a look of embarrassment on the chancellor's face. And I was really puzzled because I would've thought he would have been embarrassed that every single one of his kids said he wanted to be a Mujahid. In other words, he wanted to be cannon fodder in a losing battle against the Indians. No, he was embarrassed because there were a couple of students who hadn't decided they wanted it to be Mujahideen yet. And he told me they just arrived. Eventually they will also wanna be a Mujahideen. So those are the three kinds of the sort of basket of incentives that I think terrorists groups offer their followers. Now, let me just say a little bit about two kinds of organizations. I see two ideal types of organizations. One is a terrorist army which is commander Kadri organization where the leader is offering salaries. The leader is offering training, the leader it's likely to involve specialized functions, it will have a travel internal travel agency, it's likely to have public relations officers. Indeed I've met many terrorists public relations officers. It's likely to have people who specialize in meeting with major industrialists doing fundraising with charities and so on. At the other extreme is the virtual network. What American white supremacist identity of Christians call leaderless resistance, where the leader does not offer training does not pay operatives. He just inspires individuals to begin their own cells. And you see this kind of operation in a place like the United States where it's a very law enforcement rich environment. So the army of God is an example of this kind of organization. That's the shadowy organization that goes out and takes credit. Organization is almost too grand a term but this is, this are the individuals who take credit for killing abortion providers. And you can see there on their websites what they're trying to do, they publish the list of names of doctors, nurses, clinic personnel, the names of their children, the names of their wives, where they live, their license plate numbers and so on. So that is how leaderless resistance functions. And if you look at how Al-Qaeda has been evolving, it has become a kind of hybrid organization. It's moving from the traditional commander cadre terrorist army to incorporate some of the leader list resistance style. And indeed an essay called \"Leaderless Resistance\" which is written by Louis Beam one of the leading intellectual lights in the racist right. That essay has been picked up by Islamist sites. What does all this mean for our response? I would really emphasize the issue of humiliation when we think about how to respond to terrorism. I should tell you that a very famous colleague of mine accuses me of having a Prozac approach to terrorism. He thinks that because I'm a woman I hear from terrorists how humiliated they are, but actually you don't have to read what terrorists have said to me. You can just take a look at what Zawahiri he says himself, not what he said to me, but what he says in his own writing, you can find it on the internet. Zawahiri the second in command of Al-Qaeda. If you do a search on the term humiliation you will see that he says that the Islamic world has been humiliated by the West. And that again, the way to overcome that humiliation is by at both at the level of the individual and at the collective level is through jihad. How should this feed into our policy responses? Whenever we respond with violence and I think we sometimes have to, there's a short-term benefit, but a long-term cost. And the long-term cost often has to do with humiliation and the terrorists ability to mobilize as a result of our response. So we have to be very clear about the weighing those short-term benefits against those long-term costs. I believe that in Afghanistan the benefits were greater than the costs. I believe that in Iraq the benefits are essentially non-existent. I believe that from the beginning and it's becoming more and more clear every day. And the costs are that it was completely predictable that our enemies would use our attacking Iraq and occupying Iraq, especially the way we did as a way as a mobilizing cry, and they have. Intelligence agencies around the world are talking about that. Going in there ill prepared to create a functioning state. We essentially they created exactly one of those risk factors that I mentioned a weak and failing state. And indeed, that is a risk factor that has been identified by the Bush administration as a kind of breeding ground of terrorism, a weak state. Well, my goodness Iraq is definitely a weak state. So that's one thing I think we need to bear very much in mind. When we think about military action, we need to think, pay a lot of attention to the possibility of using covert action and penetrating the groups and learning what those individuals are valuing. Some of them really are in it for the money. And we have benefited from that before when El-Fadul a member of Al-Qaeda was infuriated that he earned $500 a month and the Egyptians there earned $800 a month. He quit Al-Qaeda, it's not people think, \"Oh the 19 hijackers, they were rich.\" No, not everyone involved in Al-Qaeda does it, you as a suicide bomber and not everyone comes from a middle or upper middle class family. So that's something we need to learn about. We can only learn about that by penetrating the groups. These groups are competing with one another and we need to use that against them. When you see a letter written by Zarqawi from Iraq as published in the New York Times. I have no reason to think that it's a hoax. Some people think the U.S government manufactured that letter. I think that's unlikely. And he's going to Al-Qaeda and saying, \"Could you please fund this operation I'm interested in.\" He's not the only one going to essentially the Ford Foundation of terrorist organizations and saying, \"Could you fund my project.\" Other terrorists are doing the same thing. We need to penetrate the group so we know how they're related and how they're competing. Covert action is much more effective than overt action. Rather than arresting individuals and trumpeting our successes, again, we should use them to penetrate the groups get inside them. And I'm quite happy to see that the FBI seems to be moving away from advertising its successes and instead toward a quieter approach and penetrating these groups. And I'm going to stop there because I know you have questions that I wanna make sure I address the issues that you really wanna know about.\r\n\r\n- Thank you for those very interesting and complicated insights that you provided us with. And I've been asked to start off with a question and then we invite people to come to the microphone. Please limit yourself to questions so that we can get as many of you in tonight. Can you talk a little bit about your experience in the National Security Council and how the U.S government has dealt with this issue of terrorism because that's been the subject of course of hearings and a lot of speculation. How well prepared are we? What was the environment like when you were in the National Security Council?\r\n\r\n- I think it's important to realize that and a focus on states as opposed to non-state actors is a problem that existed as far as I'm concerned in the Clinton administration as well. Because I have been focusing on non-state actors, since graduate school I can tell you that, you know, it's like someone accused me of having a worm's eye view, someone I know you would know. But I have seen non-state actors as the most significant threat to international security for a long time. And I've been very frustrated for a long time that most people thought that it was, you know a rather eccentric thing to study until September 11th. I think people more or less felt sorry for me that I had such weird interests. But at the same time it is definitely true that Dick Clark was among those who felt very strongly that terrorism was a growing threat. And by the end of the Clinton administration, the president felt very strongly that he was very aware of the terrorism problem. And in fact, we might even say obsessed. I worked in Dick Clark's office. Dick Clark had the Oliver North suites at the National Security Council. So we had a lot of real estate. I wasn't working for him. I heard all about him. He was an extraordinary bureaucratic battler. I guess we all know that now. And I didn't hear very good things about him from people at his level I have to admit. But because I was more or less a spite in his office I learned some interesting things about Dick Clark and most people don't realize. Everyone who worked for him loved him. He treated them extremely well. Once a person has worked for Dick Clark they worked for him forever. Whenever he needs them, they will come back wherever they are it's amazing. When I went to the council on foreign relations, I guess I'm answering the question about Dick Clark because I figure you're probably at least you're interested in that. I invited him to speak and he refused to speak to the grown-ups. He would only speak to the term members who were the young people who joined the council on foreign relations. He's a very interesting man who really cares a lot about promoting young people. And of course his boss, Tony Lake loved him because he was very effective. Anyway, my experience at the NSC other than learning about Dick Clark which has turned out to be very interesting now that he's become so important and so famous, I also did get to see, I went in as a fellow. I did get to see this tension between the FBI and the CIA but there's to some extent, still somewhat of a debate within political science about how important individuals are and bureaucratic bad actors, bureaucratic politics. But as soon as I got into government it was impossible for me to believe that anyone would still debate these issues because it was so obvious, especially if you looked at the tensions between the FBI and the CIA. 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I really didn't get the God part too much in this. Do you wanna answer that please?\r\n\r\n- The study that I've done, I only included in this study terrorists who claim to be killing in the name of God. So, I didn't include the IRA, even though they're obviously Catholic, because they don't say they're doing it for religious reasons. All the data that I presented to you about what happens within the groups is based on my study, with the single exception of James Dalton Bell, the MIT-trained chemist, individuals that say that they're doing it for a religious reason. Now, is it different from secular groups? I'm not entirely sure, because I haven't studied them in the same way that I've studied religious terrorists. You know, it's also if we look at which groups are succeeding. Today, the only groups that are spectacularly successful are Islamist ones. Why? I think it's because of those risk factors I mentioned, that there's a large pool of humiliated young men who are not finding their way in the world. It's not necessarily poverty, but a sense of deep humiliation, needing a new identity. The natural resource curse that I mentioned, the problem of how women are treated, the problem of either barely existing, illiberal democracy, or democracy that doesn't really function as a democracy. So, those are risk factors that aren't necessarily tied with religion, but they are nonetheless associated with a problem of religious terrorism.\r\n\r\n- How did they make the connection from the social issues which you documented very well in your book to the theological? How did they make the jump? That's what I'm failing to get.\r\n\r\n- Okay. I'll give you an example from Indonesia. The terrorism that we face today, and certainly the terrorism that I've been studying is all about a purported religious , but let me give you an example from Indonesia, where there's a lot of tension between indigenous people and migrants. The migrants tend to come from Java, which is overpopulated and there was a deliberate policy to bring out Javanese from an overpopulated area into areas that were less populated, where it so happened, in many cases, Muslims were not in a majority. And what happened is, in some cases, the confessional balance was tipped, so that, in the case of Maluku, in a couple of areas in Maluku, Christians had been in the majority. They had access to, better access to government jobs, which as you know is very important in poor countries, and suddenly, Muslims were in the majority. They were getting access to those government jobs. And this tension between the indigenous people and the migrants, which was really about jobs, and in some cases it's about access to gold, in other parts of Maluku, or oil. It's turned into a religious war. Why? I think it's partly as a way to raise funds and bring in troops. In the case of Ambon in Maluku, Jafar Thalib, who started an organization called Laskar Jihad. As soon as he was able to describe this problem in religious terms, he raised a huge Islamist army. 10,000 soldiers. Because he described it as a religious war. So, that's the relationship. It isn't necessarily, obviously a religious problem. Sometimes the religion is used as a slogan. It could be a fund-raising slogan. At the same time, some of the conflicts are about what is considered by all sides to be sacred territory. The problem in Jerusalem. I think that they're really, there's a very strong religious component to the Israeli-Palestinian problem, as it manifests today. And part of it is, I mean, I can't help but wonder, whether part of it isn't because there's funding for Islamist causes today. Whereas in an earlier era, there was funding for Communist causes. So, Islamist groups are in fashion. Religion is important, sometimes because we are talking about what is perceived as sacred territory. Sometimes because we're, it's used for sloganeering or a fund-raising ploy. But the leader who says, that he is promoting a religious cause has a lot of legitimacy that he might not otherwise be able to acquire. God is on his side. He often can find a justification for what he's doing in religious texts. And unfortunately, all religious texts are susceptible to that kind of abuse.\r\n\r\n- So, like Jerry in the United States, claiming God's on his side.\r\n\r\n- Yeah sure, yeah.\r\n\r\n- I was wondering, you talked about single resource states being the ground for terrorism. Besides oil, what other single resource states that have. Part one and part two of the question is, you talked about countries with abject poverty not being breeding ground for terrorism. What countries have a lot of abject poverty that don't also have some terrorism?\r\n\r\n- The natural resource curse, this doesn't come out of my own work. It's something that economists talk about, but I'll give you another example besides oil. There's an idea Paul Collier and others at the World Bank have claimed to have shown that many of the internal wars in Africa are really not about grievances, as described, whether religious or otherwise, but about predation of primary commodities that the so-called domestic military groups or terrorist organizations realize that they are going to be able to make a lot of money through predation of a primary commodity of one kind or another. Diamonds is another example. Natural resources of various kinds, metals. And in fact, the primary commodity might be, poppies, you know, drugs. You also ask what very poor countries don't have at least some terrorism. I think if poverty really were a cause, we would see a lot more terrorism than we do in Africa. I think we will see, I think Africa's up and coming in my world, but nonetheless, I think we'd see a lot more than we do, if poverty were. And we'd probably see a lot more in India.\r\n\r\n- You've mentioned that you had interviewed both of the Hamas leaders who had been assassinated by the Israeli government.\r\n\r\n- Right.\r\n\r\n- I'd like to know what your impressions were of those and also how does assassinating them further stop the terrorism?\r\n\r\n- The first one is Abu Shanab. Abu Shanab was the head of the society of engineers. He was trained in the United States, he actually studied in Colorado. He spoke very good English. He was quite charming, actually. Some of you may have seen an op-ed in today's New York Times by a man who also had interviewed Dr Rantisi, whom he also describes as charming. The most interesting thing he said to me was, he was just sort of musing and said that while, We had a very, very long interview, and it wasn't interesting in the beginning, but toward the end it got very interesting, when I think we were both getting exhausted. He said that while he was in prison, he started thinking about the difference between people who get, the political prisoners that were with him. People who pick up a gun, people who detonate, who detonate a bomb, and people who detonate in a suicide operation, and people who stab people with knives. He said that the person who will kill someone with a knife is a nervous personality. The person who picks up a gun is well-trained, but the person who detonates that bomb requires only a moment of courage, what he called courage. And I think what he was basically telling me is that suicide operations don't, you can use unskilled labor. That all you need is someone who... He also told where you get the courage. You get the courage he said, by witnessing some terrible atrocity. Either someone in your family has been killed, a civilian has been killed, or the person has witnessed some terrible, terrible thing. So, he used the word courage in a rather unusual way. So, that was the most interesting thing I learned from him. From Dr Rantisi, I very rarely in my interviews express my views or push my interlocutors in directions they don't want to go in. I just let them talk. There was something about Dr Rantisi that annoyed me, although he was, he was charming, as today's op-ed writer said, somewhat. But I asked him, How can you stand as a pediatrician, running an organization that kills children? And he got very angry at me. Which in a way, I thought was a good thing. I felt it meant that he still retained enough of his humanity that he realized that there was a moral problem in what he was doing. Does assassinating political leaders help the Israeli cause of stopping suicide bombings in their cities? I think very likely not. You know, we'll have to see what happens, but certainly, my gut feeling is that it will be quite counterproductive. I think, if one is going to go about targeted killings, it should not be of political leaders. That's just foolish. They're very public, and they're symbolic leaders. So, I think it's likely to be counterproductive, but of course, you know, this is an experiment, and we are going to learn how well it works.\r\n\r\n- Gentlemen.\r\n\r\n- Hi, my question was, you discussed a little bit about failed states and the different situations that can help lead towards terrorism. I was wondering if there have been any studies that show a correlation between religion, either one specific religion or the diversity of religion within a country, that led to internal violence or terrorism?\r\n\r\n- Actually, Collier does look at ethnicity, and so do Layton and Fearon. You're a political science student? I would urge you, Is he your student? There's very interesting work by Paul Collier that you can actually find on the internet, if you just jot down the name C-O-L-L-I-E-R. He's an economist, not a political scientist. Layton and Feoron have done, in the American Political Science Review, I think the most. They work on usually other topics, but I think they've done the most interesting work. Where they really look at all the factors that are assumed in the literature to be causative or potentially, if not causative, correlated with internal wars. I don't believe that religious differences was important. It certainly wasn't as important as low GDP per capita. This is, it's not the definitive study. A major problem is that low GDP per capita is a proxy for poverty, just as much as it is for state weakness. They also found that large territory is a problem, and major cities that, they're hypothesizing that a large country is harder to police. Anyway, it's very interesting work. It's not the end of the story. It's a great doctoral dissertation topic to tear them down, to prove them wrong. So, I urge you to consider that.\r\n\r\n- Good, thank you.\r\n\r\n- I just have a really quick question. You talk about terrorists a lot, and it's basically your field of study and what you do. How do you differentiate between freedom fighters or what we call in Iraq insurgents between terrorists? You do a lot of work with terrorists. What's your definition for this?\r\n\r\n- Very good question. There are hundreds of definitions of terrorism in the literature. In my definition, I focus on not the perpetrator but the technique of violence and so for me, what distinguishes terrorism from other kinds of violence is the deliberate targeting of non-combatants, with the aim of psychologically affecting or otherwise influencing a target audience. So, what is the important distinction morally, in terms of the just war tradition, is the deliberate targeting of non-combatants. Because I want to focus on a technique, rather than using the term as an epithet, I think it's important not to focus on the perpetrator at all. That any perpetrator is capable. Therefore, when the state deliberately targets non-combatants, I would call that terrorism.\r\n\r\n- You talked a lot about humiliation. I wanted to ask, why haven't we received any terrorism, or really any resistance at all lately from Japan. Which the United States basically humiliated\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I should have remembered that I'm talking to a lot of students here and I want to be very clear that humiliation, I believe is a necessary, but not sufficient condition. And I will give you, I think that Harvard is the biggest humiliation factory. I think, and every academic knows what I'm talking about. There is no one at Harvard who does not feel deeply humiliated with the single exception perhaps of Larry Summers. However, the president, I recently heard that there are 18 university presidents who are paid better than he is, and I think that's very humiliating. I think he should be humiliated. So, I really wonder, if humiliation were enough to make a terrorist then we'd see a lot of terrorists. And I mean, I don't know what your university is like, but I think universities are often very humiliating places. We'd, see a lot of humiliation, a lot of terrorism among our students and our grad students especially. It's really a hazing more than anything else. What I think really matters is a leader who is able to persuade the humiliated that they have been humiliated by a particular entity, that someone is at fault for their humiliation. And there has to be some deep pain. It can't just be, Oh I got a B plus and I wanted an A minus. It has to be something serious. And it has to be a leader who's able to channel that feeling into a terrorist movement.\r\n\r\n- This is slightly related, I guess. If the United States had not forced the emperor of Japan to tell the people he wasn't God, do you think that he would have lead them to religious uprising similar to what we've see in the Middle East? If we hadn't basically destroyed their religion.\r\n\r\n- That's too hard, I'm sorry.\r\n\r\n- That's a PhD level question.\r\n\r\n- Right, that'll be your dissertation topic.\r\n\r\n- He's a high school student.\r\n\r\n- Oh, very good.\r\n\r\n- I have a simple question. If you think that elimination of Yassin and Rantisi was counterproductive, then could could I imply that similar arguments would lead you to the conclusion that eliminating Bin Laden and Zawahiri is also counterproductive?\r\n\r\n- Yes, I believe that. That's probably the most controversial thing I'll say this evening. I think that, you know, my intuition is that, if you're going to, it's important to, you can't persuade terrorists to change their minds. They become professionals over time, right?\r\n\r\n- You could just kill 'em.\r\n\r\n- Right, you can. And that is they way to get rid of them, but when you take out symbolic leaders I fear that that could be, they can be more powerful, dead than alive. Especially when we're talking about religious terrorism.\r\n\r\n- But if they are the strategic masterminds, then they're not just symbolic.\r\n\r\n- See, I think what we've done to Bin Laden, we've made it very difficult for him to retain his position as the strategic mastermind. I think, this is my interest, but let me also tell you something about the findings from network theory. It looks as though the most important players to take out are those that are in communication with the most other players. And so I think that taking out, capturing someone like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, that's a very good idea, because he's not an important inspirational leader. He's a manager, he's someone who had everyone's phone number in his cell phone. Everyone was talking to him. That's someone very important to take out. And also I think it's better to capture and interrogate leaders like him than, than to kill them, because they're very important intelligence assets. I think that Sheikh Yassin, I really doubt that he was actually running operations. It seems to me quite a stretch to imagine that. And again, you know, it is an experiment. I could be wrong, but my my sense is, it's likely to be quite counterproductive. Not only for Israel, but actually for all of us. I don't know if you've seen, Bin Laden has vowed to avenge the death of Sheikh Yassin not on Israelis, but on Americans.\r\n\r\n- Fairly narrow question, but I', wondering how you approach it, if what you're defining as terrorism is attacks on civilians, which is the way it's been defined through most of the last 200 years of history. What do you call the attacks on governments? What do you call, I mean, I always wondered why they call it a terrorist attack when they attack the American barracks in What do you call an attack on us and the government as that previous question was asking, what people are calling insurgence.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, and actually, I didn't answer the question about that. I think when these, sure. I think when Iraqi extremists are attacking US forces that is guerrilla warfare. I don't call that terrorism. It so happens that some of the people attacking US forces are known terrorist groups. And I think that's part of the reason why there's some confusion. Although, part of it is of course also that terrorism sounds worse than insurgency or guerrilla warfare.\r\n\r\n- What does it strike you as our government's purpose calling these people terrorists?\r\n\r\n- You mean the ones in Iraq?\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Well, I mean, they are also involved in terrorism. They are kidnapping civilians They're killing people at the UN. They're attacking NGO's. Some of them are members of Al-Qaeda, they're members of terrorist organizations that sometimes employ terrorism and sometimes employ guerrilla tactics. If you know, does the government have a purpose? Undoubtedly, it's a PR purpose, but you know at the same time, I'm hardly a a supporter of the Bush administration, but I think sometimes they are engaged in terrorism. So, I can understand why the word might be used in that context.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I had a question. You spoke about some of the things that were supposed to be risk factors for terrorism, and one of the ones you mentioned was the\r\n\r\n- Alan Kruegar.\r\n\r\n- Mistreatment of Women.\r\n\r\n- Oh, maltreatment of women. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, and I was just kind of wondering whether is that just some kind of societal difference? Is that just correlated with it? Because its in general the suicide bombers and people like that are women.\r\n\r\n- Right. Although, that's another interesting issue. The reason or one of the reasons why maltreatment of women seems to be very important is that it does when women receive, the healthcare they receive is not as good as the healthcare that men receive, which is true in a number of countries. There is this ratio, a very high ratio of males to females. And in China, it's called bare branches. It has been shown to be correlated with violence. You see it in quite a few Asian countries. The study suggests that both China and India will be susceptible to violence, because of of this ratio. As well as, countries where we already see violence. So that's one reason. And that, I see you're a student, there's a very interesting article in International Security by Victoria Hudson, I think. About this bare branches problem around the world. There's a study, quite a bit of work by Pippa Norris, looking at the problem of how women are treated and the likelihood that democracy, freedom house indicators, the correlation between maltreatment of women and low freedom house indicators. It appears to be a very, very important issue. In fact, Bernard Lewis, although he doesn't say this in print will, when he speaks publicly talks a lot about how he thinks that the reason the Islamic world, especially the Arab world, is having so much trouble in many ways politically and economically is because of maltreatment of women. So, there are a lot of people looking at this issue. It's not just, I'm not telling you this because I am a rabid feminist. It comes out of data. Not that you should believe the data necessarily.\r\n\r\n- Yes?\r\n\r\n- George Bush has basically stated that in effect he feels that he's acting out of Gods will in Iraq, how do you respond to his statement.\r\n\r\n- Hmm, good question.\r\n\r\n- Did he really say that?\r\n\r\n- Yeah, well in this press conference.\r\n\r\n- Oh, I didn't see it.\r\n\r\n- He talked about the almighty.\r\n\r\n- I couldn't watch it.\r\n\r\n- How do I feel about that? I find it alarming. I find certainty alarming. I find when anyone is certain that he's right and that God is on his side. I find that, I'm worried. That's something, I worry that that person is going to do harm.\r\n\r\n- Thank you.\r\n\r\n- The recent death of Rantisi in the last week, his particular terrorist organization has vowed not to release who the new leader is. How do you think our policy will change to influence these big groups who we don't know who their leaders are?\r\n\r\n- I think when a leader has, trouble communicating with followers, that's a great thing. I think the best thing that could happen for us would be for Bin Ladin to die of natural causes. If we can't arrange that, and I think we can't. Then it's best in my view, for him to stay where he is in where we are hounding him to such a degree that he cannot communicate with his troops and supporters. That is the best thing, in my view. we have to keep looking for him, but I think we shouldn't find him. The same thing would apply to the best way to fight Hamas in my view. To make it impossible for leaders to communicate with followers. So, you know, I think having a secret leader, I would imagine that that leader would have trouble communicating. So and that's why I say the jury's still out. You know, my feeling is this is unlikely to be a very effective strategy, but you know, we'll see. It could be, it's not impossible that the combination of giving the Palestinians territory, unfortunately it's not enough territory in my view, but the combination of doing that and really strengthening the Palestinian authority. I mean this is a great gift to the Palestinian Authority, weakening Hamas. The Palestinian Authority, its biggest problem is Hamas. It's not Israel, it's Hamas. So, you know, who knows. I mean the one group we know will benefit is the Palestinian Authority. Whether others will benefit, that's an open question. We're gonna to take, did you also want to make a question? Or did you have a question? The lady that just sat down.\r\n\r\n- Well, I was just inquiring about what can be done.\r\n\r\n- Well, what I was gonna say was, I'm just told by by the general manager and director, whose work we appreciate so much, Pat Miller says let's have three more and then we'll wrap it up and we'll move on to the refreshments and also the book signing. So, the three who are now lined up, why don't you go ahead and ask your questions.\r\n\r\n- I am gonna ask you for a specific strategy that we can use with our own religious groups as well as our political forces. Your opening comments in your new book deal with good and evil. And I'm reminded of two books. Charles Kimball's, When Religion Becomes Evil and Jack Nelson, Paul Myers Is Religion Killing Us. They make kind of similar points. That it's very easy for us, regardless of our religious traditions, to also start feeling we're good and the other side isn't good. And as I just learned on an airplane flight recently, There's a brand new book by Pete Singer called, The President of Good and Evil on the ethics of George W. Bush. So I guess the strategy again is, what can we do to be aware of, regardless of our religious traditions, that we're not caught up in that suddenly if you caution that I think two speakers earlier, that we're kind of looking on ourselves as good and maybe not prone to doing some of these\r\n\r\n- I'm not very religious, although I'm a believer. And I think that there's a side of religion that really is about communion with the universe. And there's a side that's about dividing us from them. And I find the part of religion that's about dividing us from them to be repellent and dangerous. And after completing this project I feel more that way, much more that way. I can't stomach that side of religion and, I just feel it's dangerous. I mean, that's all I can say in answer to your question.\r\n\r\n- You mentioned the internet, but let's not forget about some of the other technology. You're a young impoverished Arab man who owns a satellite dish. You can readily find out that Westerners are very affluent and attractive and leading the good life. And that our embedded reporters are showing that we are spanking their Arab armies effortlessly and that we examine their leaders like lab rats after we capture them. So, would you like to comment on the humiliation factor and the satellite dish?\r\n\r\n- Well certainly what, what we did to Saddam, there was a lot of talk about how humiliating that was. And I you're absolutely right. I mean, people have been talking about the CNN effect for quite a while. And now of course the Al Jazeera effect and Al Jazeera in English is very different from Al Jazeera and Arabic. It's very important, you're absolutely right.\r\n\r\n- If we're Talking about the Palestinian Authority and you have Arafat and the other Palestinians that do not want to let Israel be a state. They have on their minds that they want to eliminate Israel entirely and get back all of their territory. How would you deal with these kind of terrorists? I mean, it's a problem and it's a problem. I mean, I don't know how you deal with it. It's a problem for the Palestinian Authority. I mean, I think it should be a problem for the Palestinian authority. I think once there are two states then targeted killing becomes an act of war rather than a human rights violation. So, you know, I think that, killing a leader like Sheikh Yassin is incredibly bad for Israel, whether or not it's counterproductive in terms of the number of Israelis who are ultimately killed as a result of terrorists that might be mobilized, but if they were two states it would be very different legally. And the Palestinian Authority, it would be their problem. So I think that, I believe that's the the best approach, the creation of two states. And I don't think that allowing so many settlements to make it impossible to have any contiguous area. I think that's also counterproductive productive. And I think that president Bush should not have supported that. I think that was a mistake. But it's important for it to be a Palestinian problem. That's what I think.\r\n\r\n- I have one final question that I've been asked to get your reflections on and that is given the diversity of terrorism, the fact that it occurs for so many different reasons, with so many different groups, motivated by diverse factors, how realistic is it really to try and have a kind of national security state in the United States or anywhere else, where you essentially decide you want zero acts of violence like that 100% security. I grew up in a country, Columbia, South America, where for the last 50 or 60 years, acts of violence are factored into the daily activities of every Colombian. You just simply assume that there are going to be assassinations, massacres by a number of different groups. Buildings are gonna blow up and people are gonna die. And what you do is you simply make it kind of a part of the risk of living and of doing business. And I guess, what are your comments on that in terms of the United States? 'Cause obviously we are now dealing with this issue directly connected to terrorism. The Patriot act, reinforcing it, President Bush is going around the country, asking some of the pieces of it that are going to expire to be reinstated and so on. Do you have any observations on that?\r\n\r\n- I don't think this is a passing problem. I think that what we're witnessing is an evolution in the nature of warfare, the privatization of warfare. As more and more powerful weapons become available to smaller and smaller groups. We are going to deal with this problem and I think we have to get used to it. And we will never be able to get rid of it. It's just not possible. That's my next book, by the way. So, I'll come back in a few years.\r\n\r\n- Thank you. Thank you for a very thought-provoking and interesting exchange of ideas. Dr. Stern will be here with the books for a little while and if you want to talk to her and want to purchase a book and get it autographed by her, she will do that. If you want refreshments over here. If you want both you can go there and then here. Thank you all for coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/45551/file/118538#t=0.0,2107.21959"}]}]}]}