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Sorry, we had to add more chairs, though I'm not that sorry. Not at all. Sorry, We're just a little bit late starting. My name's Michael Martin, I'm in the English department here. This lecture, this evening is sponsored by the English department, the committee on lectures, and the Pro Whole Grade fund. Today at lunch, Wendell Berry told me that our speaker tonight, Wendell Berry, told me that he liked as a child to read the yearly at least once a year. And when I first moved here five years ago, I sort of discovered some of Wendell Berry's books The Unsettling of America, Gift of Good Land, And I find now that those are some of my yearly books, with things I do every year. I'll tell you one thing about Wendell Berry, he's not a very special man and I choose that word precisely, because I think that's the point here. He's not just a farmer, he's not just a poet, he's not just a storyteller. He's all these things and more. Thank you a lot for coming, please welcome Wendell Berry.\r\n\r\n- Thank you, Micheal. I'm having a little ear trouble and I'm not sure whether, I don't know if I'm talking loud enough or not. So, you people in the back should feel free to wave, if I'm not speaking loudly enough. For the last good many years already, I've been writing about agriculture and the pattern by now seems to be, I'm guessing a little, that of a spider web, I keep going around in a widening spiral and crossing the same radio lines as I come around at the same series of landmarks. Occasionally, I have the luxury of thinking I'm done, and then I'll read something or think something or learn something, or somebody will say something to me that makes me curious to see if I can start at that point and get through it again. This is another one of those attempts. Some time ago in a conversation with Wes Jackson, the Kansas plant breeder and agriculturist, in which we were laboring to define the causes of the modern ruination of farm land, we finally got around to the money economy. I said that in the economy based on energy would be more benign because it would be more comprehensive. Wes would not agree. An energy economy still wouldn't be comprehensive enough. Well, I said, \"Then what kind of economy would be comprehensive enough?\" He hesitated a moment, and then grinning said, \"The kingdom of God.\" I assume that Wes used the term because he found it at that point in our conversation indispensable. That it seemed to be what Western civilization furnished as at that point. I assume so, because in my pondering over its occurrence at that point, I have found it indispensable myself. For the thing that's so troubles us about the industrial economy is exactly that it is not comprehensive enough, that moreover it tends to destroy what it does not comprehend, and that it is dependent upon much that it does not comprehend. In attempting to criticize such an economy, it is probably natural to pose against it, an economy that does not leave anything out. And we can say without presuming too much that the first principle of the kingdom of God is that it includes everything. In it, the fall of every spiral, we're told is a significant event. We're in it, we may say, whether we know it or not, and whether we wish to be, or not. Another principle, both ecological and traditional is that everything in the kingdom of God is joined both to it and to everything else that is in it. That is to say, that the kingdom of God is orderly. The third principle, which may be sufficiently demonstrable is that humans do not, and can never know either all the creatures that the kingdom of God contains, or the whole pattern or order by which it contains them. The suitability of the kingdom of God as so to speak a place name, is somewhat owing to the fact that it still means pretty much what it always meant. Because I think of the embarrassment that it has increasingly caused among the educated. The phrase has not been much tainted or tampered with by the disinterested processes of academic thought. It is a phrase that comes to us with its cultural strings still attached. To speak of the kingdom of God, if we know something of the origins of our minds is both to suggest the difficulty of our condition and to imply a fairly complete set of culture born instructions for living in it. These instructions are not always explicitly ecological, but it can be argued that they are always implicitly so. The instructions are always implicitly ecological, because all of them rests ultimately on the assumptions that I gave as the second and third principles of the kingdom of God. That we live within the order, and that this order is both greater and more intricate than we can know. The difficulty of our predicament is made clear if we add a fourth principle, though, we cannot produce a complete or even an adequate description of this order, severe penalties are in store for us if we presume upon it or violate it, which of course is Greek as well as biblical. Though, I hope that my insistence on the usefulness of the term, the kingdom of God will be understood. I must acknowledge that the term is local in the sense that it is fully available only to those whose languages are involved in Western or biblical tradition. A person of Eastern heritage might, for example make a similar use of the dialogue to refer to the totality of all creation, visible and invisible. I'm well aware also that many people would not willingly use either of these terms or any such term. Because for those reasons, I do not want to make a statement that is specially or exclusively biblical. I would like now to use a more culturally neutral term for that economy, that I've been calling the kingdom of God. Sometimes I'm thinking about it, I've called it the great economy, which is the name I'm going to make do with. Though I remain under the personal necessity that is, because of ignorance of biblical reference. And that I think must be one of my points. We can name it whatever we wish, but we cannot define it, except by way of some religious tradition. The great economy like the Dow or the kingdom of God, is both known and unknown, visible and invisible, comprehensible and mysterious. It is thus the ultimate condition of our experience and other practical questions rising from our experience. Imposing on our consideration of those questions, and extremity of seriousness and an extremity of humility. Y'all come on here, I'll find you some chairs, why don't you? There's several over here, one in the front row, one in the second that I can see, a couple over here, two over there. I'm assuming that the great economy, whatever we may name it is indeed, and in ways that are to some extent, practical an economy. It includes principles and patterns about which values or powers or necessities are parceled out and exchanged. But that the great economy comprehends humans, and so, cannot be fully comprehended by them suggests that it is not an economy that humans can participate in directly. What this suggests in fact, is that humans can live in the great economy only with great uneasiness. Subject to powers and laws that they can understand only in part. There is no human accounting for the great economy. If there is no denying our dependence on the great economy, there's also no denying our need for a little economy, a narrow circle within which things are manageable by the use of our widths. I don't think that Wes Jackson was denying this need when he invoked the kingdom of God as the complete economy, he was, I think, insisting upon a priority which is both proper and practical. If he had a text in mind, it must've been the sixth chapter of Matthew, in which after speaking of God's care for nature, the fowls of the air and the lilies of the field, Jesus says, \"Therefore take no thought saying, what shall we eat or what shall we drink or where with all shall we be clothed, but seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.\" There's an attitude, a fairly prominent one, I'm afraid, that season, that text a purely spiritual denial of the value of any economy of this world. Which makes the text useless and meaningless to humans who must live in this world. These verses make usable sense, only if we read them as a statement of considerable practical important, about the real nature of worldly economy. If this passage meant for us to seek only the kingdom of God, it would have the odd result of making good people not only affectless in this world, but dependent upon bad people, busy with quite other seeking. But it says instead, to seek the kingdom of God first that is, it gives an obviously necessary priority to the great economy over any little economy made within it. The passage also clearly includes nature within the great economy, and it affirms the goodness, indeed the sanctity of natural creatures. The fowls of the air and the lilies of the field live directly within the great economy. Whereas humans, they were entirely dependent upon it, may live in it only indirectly by choice, and by artifacts. The humans, unlike the wild creatures may choose not to live in it, or rather since no creature can escape it, they may choose to act as if they do not, or they may choose to try to live in it on their own terms. If humans choose to live in it upon its terms, then they must live in harmony with it. Learning to live in it by considering the lives of the wild creatures and interest of it. Certain economic restrictions are clearly implied, and these restrictions have mainly to do with the economics of futurity. We know from other passages in the gospels that a certain preparedness or provisioning for the future is required of us. It may be that such preparedness is part of our obligation to today. And for that reason, we need to take no thought for the moral. But such preparations can be carried too far. We can provide too much for the future. The son of a certain rich man in the 12th chapter of Luke is that he has much goods laid up for many years. And so, believes that he could eat, drink and be married. The offense seems to be that he has stored up too much and in the process has belittled the future. He has reduced it to the size of his own hopes and expectations. He's prepared for a future in which he will be prosperous not for one in which he will be dead. And we know from our own experience that it is possible to live in the present in such a way as to diminish the future practically as well as spiritually, by laying up much goods in the present, and in the process using up such goods as topsoil, fossil fuel and fossil water, we incur a debt to the future that we cannot hope to repay. That is we diminish the future by deeds that we call use, but which the future will call theft. We may say then that we seek the kingdom of God in part by our economic behavior, and we fail to find it, if that behavior is wrong. If we read Matthew 6:24-34, as a teaching that is both practical and spiritual, as I think we must, then we must see it as prescribing the terms of a kind of little economy or human economy. Since, I'm deriving it here from a Christian text, we could call it a Christian economy. And there is certainly an urgent importance for Westerners in the recognition that an economy may be maybe Christian or unChristian. But we need not call it that, the Buddhist might look at the working principles of the economy I'm talking about and call it a Buddhist economy. E. F. Schumacher, in fact, says that the aim of Buddhist economics is to obtain the maximum of wellbeing with the minimum of consumption. Which I think is partly the sense of Matthew 6:24-34. Or we could call this economy, from the same passage, a considerate economy, or simply a good economy. The human economy then, if it's to be a good economy, would fit harmoniously within and would correspond to the great economy. In certain important ways, it would be an analog of the great economy. A fifth principle of the great economy that must now be added to the previous four, is that we cannot foresee an end to it. The same basic stuff is going to be shifting from one farm to another so far as we know forever. But from a human point of view, this is a rather heartless endurance. As Cynic, sometimes point out, conservation is always working. For what is lost or wasted in one place always turns up someplace else. Thus, soil erosion in Iowa involves no loss, because the soil is conserved in the Gulf of Mexico. Such that's people like to point out that soil erosion is as natural as birdsong, and so it is. Though this people neglect to observe that soil conservation is also natural. And that before the advent of farming, nature alone worked effectively to keep Iowa top soil in Iowa. But to say that soil erosion is natural is only a way of saying that there are some things that the great economy cannot do for humans. Only a little economy, only a good human economy can define for us the value and not only the quantitative value of keeping the top soil where it is. A good human economy that is defines and values human good, and like the great economy, it could serves and protects its goods. It proposes to endure. Like the great economy, a good human economy does not propose for itself a term to be set by humans. That termless ness, with all its implied human limits and restraints is a human good. From a human point of view, the difference between the great economy and any human economy is pretty much the difference between the goose that laid the golden egg, and the golden egg. For the goose to have a value as a layer of golden eggs, she must be alive goose, and therefore joined to the lifecycle, and therefore joined to all manner of things, patterns and processes that sooner or later surpass human comprehension. The golden egg on the other hand can be fully valued by humans according to kind, weight and can measure. But it will not hatch, and cannot be eaten. To make an egg fully accountable by humans, then we must make it golden, we must remove it from life. If in our evaluation of it, we should wish to consider its relation to the goose., we will have to undertake a different kind of accounting, more exacting, if less exact. If we wish to value the egg in such a way as to preserve the goose that laid it, we find that we have to define ourselves as humans, as fully as our traditional knowledge of ourselves permits. We participate in our little human economy to a considerable extent that is, by factual knowledge, calculation and manipulation, but we participate in the great economy also by cultural knowledge and by humility, forbearance, charity, generosity, imagination. Another critical difference implicit in the foregoing is that the way human economy can evaluate, distribute, use and preserve things of value, it can not make value. Value can originate only in the great economy. It is true enough that humans can add value to natural things. We may transform top soil into all the trees, and transform the trees into boards, and transform the boards into chairs, adding value at each transformation. In a good human economy, these transformations would be made by good work and properly these transformations would be made by good work, and a good human economy would place a proper value, about good work, and properly reward the workers. But a good human economy would recognize at the same time that it was dealing all along with materials and powers that it did not make. It did not make soil fertility, or Walnut trees, or Walnut wood. And it did not make the intelligence and talents of the human workers. What the humans have added at every step is artificial, made by art. And though the value of art is critical to human life, it is a secondary value. Without the things of primary value, the things of secondary value would not exist. When humans presume to originate value, they make value that is first abstract and then false tyrannical and destructive of real value. Money value, for instance, can be said to be true only when it truly and stably represents the value of necessary goods such as clothing, food, and shelter which originate in the great economy. Humans can originate money value in the abstract, but only by inflation and usury, which falsify the value of necessary things and damage their natural and human sources. Inflation and usury, and the damages that follow can be understood perhaps as retributions for the presumption that humans can make value. We may say then that a human economy originates, manages and distributes secondary or added values, but that if it is to last long, it must also manage in such a way as to make continuously available those values that are primary or given. The secondary values here, having mainly to do with husbandry and trusteeship. These primary values, all originate in the great economy. The best a little economy can do with them, is to receive them gratefully and use them in such a way as not to diminish them. We might make a long list of things that we would have to describe as primary values that come directly into the little economy from the grade. But the one I want to talk about, because it's the one with which we have the most intimate working relationship, is the top soil. We cannot speak of top soil. Indeed, we can not know what it is without acknowledging at the outset that we can not make it. We can care for it or not. We can even as we say, build it, but we can do so only by sending, two preserving, and perhaps collaborating in its own processes. To those processes themselves, we have nothing to contribute. We can not make top soil, and we can not make any substitute for it. We cannot do what it does. It is apparently impossible to make an adequate description of topsoil in the sort of language that we have come to call scientific. For though, any soil sample can be reduced to its inert quantities, a handful of the real thing has life in it. It is full of living creatures. And if we tried to describe the behavior of that life, we will see that it is doing something that if we're not careful, we will call unearthly. It is making life out of death. Not so very long ago, we would probably have called it miraculous. But in a time when death has looked upon with almost universal imitate, it's hard to believe that the land we live on and the lives we live are the gifts of death. Yet, that is so. And it is the top soil that makes it so. The fact we had better learn to deal with, is that in talking about top soil, it's hard to avoid the language of religion. When in his poem, This Compost, Whitman says, \"The resurrection of the wheat appears with pale visage out of its graves.\" He is talking directly out of Christian tradition, and yet he is describing what happens with language that is entirely accurate and appropriate even to the paleness. And when it lasts, he says of the earth that it gives such divine materials to men. We feel that the propriety of the words comes not from convention, but from the actuality of the uncanny transformation that his poem has required us to imagine, as if an obedience to the summons, to consider the lilies of the field. Even in its functions, that may seem to mechanistic to be mechanical, the top soil behaves complexity and wonderfully. A healthy topsoil, for instance, has at once the ability to hold water and to drain well. When we speak of the health of a watershed, this is what we're talking about. And the word health, which we do use, and speaking of watersheds warns us that we are not speaking merely of mechanics. A healthy soil is made by the life dying into it and living in it, and two it's double ability to drain and retain water with complexity and dead end. For it not only gives us good crops, but also erosion control, and both flood control and the constant water supply. Obviously top soil, not energy or money, is the critical quantity in agriculture. And top soil is a quantity. We need it in quantities. We now need more of it than we have. We need to help it to make more of itself, but it is a most peculiar quantity, for it is inseparable from quality. Top soil is by definition, good soil, and it can be preserved in human use only by good care. When humans see it as a mirror quantity, they tend to make it theirs. They destroy the life in it, and they begin to measure in inches and feet and tons how much of it they have as they say lost. When we see the top soil is the foundation of that household of living creatures and their non living supports that we now call an ecosystem, but which we Westerners would understand better as a neighborhood, we find ourselves in debt for other benefits that baffled our mechanical logic and define our measures. For example, one of the principles of an ecosystem is that diversity increases capacity, or to put it another way, complications of form or pattern can increase greatly within quantitative limits. On a farm put together on a sound ecological pattern, the same principle holds. Henry Besuden, the great farmer and shepherd of Clark County Kentucky, compares the small sheep flock to the two spoons of sugar that can be added to a brim full cup of coffee, which then becomes, he says, \"More palatable and doesn't run over.\" \"You can stock,\" continuing to quote Henry Besuden. \"You can stock your farm to the limit with other livestock and still add a small flock of sheep.\" He says this, \"Characteristically after rejecting the efforts of sheep specialists to get beyond the natural physical limits of the ewe, by out of season breeding, to get three lamb crops in two years or by striving for litters of lambs rather than nature's optimum with twins.\" Rather than chief at natural physical limits, he would turn to nature's elegant way of enriching herself within her physical limits, by diversification, by complication of pattern. Rather than strain the productive capacity of the ewe, he would without strain in large the productive capacity of the farm, a healthier, safer, and cheaper procedure. A small flock of ewes fitted properly into a farm's pattern virtually disappears into the farm and does it good. Just as it virtually disappears into the time and energy economy of a farm family and does it good, all one might say that properly fitted into the farms pattern, the small flock virtually disappears from the debit side of the farms accounts, but shows up plainly on the credit side. And this disappearance is possible not in so far as the farm is a human artifact, the belonging of the human economy, but in so far as it remains by it's obedience to natural principle, the belonging of the great economy. A little economy may be said to be good in so far as it perceives the excellence of these benefits, and husbands or preserves them. And it is by holding up this standard of goodness that we can best see what is wrong with the industrial economy. For the industrial economy does not see itself as a little economy, it sees itself as the only economy. It makes itself less exclusive by the simple expedient of valuing only what it can use. That is, only what it can regard as raw material to be transformed mechanically into something else. But it cannot use, it characteristically describes as useless, worthless, random, or wild, and gives it some such name as chaos, disorder or waste, and thus ruins it or cheapens it in preparation for eventual use. That Western deserts or Eastern mountains were once perceived as useless, made it easy to dignify them by the use of strip mining. Once we acknowledge the existence of the great economy, however, we're astonished and frightened to realize how much modern enterprise is the work of hubris occurring outside the human boundary, established by ancient tradition. The industrial economy is based on invasion and pillage of the great economy. The weakness of the industrial economy has clearly revealed, when it imposes its terms upon agriculture. For its terms can not define those natural principles that are most vital to the life and longevity of farms. Even if they could afford to do so, the industrial economists can not describe the dependence of agriculture upon nature. If it has to consider the lilies of the field, are told that the wheat is resurrected out of its graves use, then agricultural industrialist would reply, as one did, John Deere, Vice-president, \"My engineer's mind inclines less towards the poetic and philosophical and more toward the practical and possible, unable, even to suspect that such a division of mind induces blindness to possibilities of the utmost practical concern.\" That good topsoil, both drains and retains water, that diversity increases capacity are facts similarly alien to industrial logic. Industrialists retention and drainage is different in the opposite functions, and would promote one at the expense of the other, just as diversity being unethical to industrial procedure, they would commit themselves to the four lone expedient of enlarging capacity by increasing area. There, thus encumbered by dependence on mechanical solutions that can work only by isolating and oversimplifying problems. Industrialists are condemned to proceed by vices. To facilitate water retention, they must resort to a specialized water-holding device, such as a trench or a dam. To facilitate drainage, they must use drain tile, or a ditch or a sub-soil. It is possible, I know to argue that this analysis is too general, and to produce exceptions, but I do not think it deniable that the discipline of soil conservation is now principally that of the engineer, not that of the farmer or soil husband. A matter of digging in the earth, not in enriching it. I do not mean to say that the devices of engineering are always inappropriate, they have their place, especially in the restoration of land abused by the devices of engineering. My point is that to facilitate both water retention and drainage in the same place, it is necessary to improve the soil. which is not a mechanical device, but among other things a graveyard, a place of resurrection and the community of living creatures. Devices may sometimes help, but only up to a point for soil is improved by what humans do not do as well as by what they do. The proprieties of soil husbandry require acts that are much more complex than industrial acts. For these are acts conditioned by the ability not to act by for bearance or self restraint or sympathy or generosity. The industrial act that is, is simply prescribed by thought. But the act of soil building is also limited by a thought. One builds soil by knowing what to do, but also by knowing what not to do, and by knowing when to stop. Both kinds of knowledge are necessary, because invariably at some point the reach of human comprehension becomes too short. And at that point, the work of the human economy must end in absolute deference to the working of the great economy. This I take, it is the practical significance of the idea of Sabbath. To push our work beyond that point, invading the great economy, is to become guilty of hubris or pride. The center presuming to be greater or other than we are. We cannot do what the top soil does any more than we can do what God does, or what a swallow does. We can fly, but only as humans, very crudely, noisily and clumsily. We can dispose our corpses using garbage, but we cannot buy our own devices, turn them into fertility and new life. And we're discovering through our great uneasiness that some of our so-called wastes, those that are toxic or radioactive, we cannot dispose them. We can appropriate, and in some fashion use Godly powers, but we cannot use them safely, and we cannot control the results. That is to say that the human condition remains for us what it was for Homer and the authors of the Bible. Now, that we have brought such enormous powers, as we hope to our aid, it seems more necessary than ever to observe how inexorably that condition still contains us. We only do what humans can do, and our machines, however they may appear to enlarge our possibilities are invariably infected with our limitations. Sometimes in enlarging our possibilities, they narrow our limitations and leave us more but less content, less safe and less free. The mechanical means by which we propose to escape the human condition only extended. Thinking to transcend our definition as fallen creatures, we have only colonized more and more territory eastward of Eden. Like the rich man of the parable, the industrialists thinks to escape the persistent obligations of the human condition by means of much goods laid up for many years. By means, in other words of quantities, supplies, stockpiles, funds, reserves. But this is a grossly oversimplifying dream and thus a dangerous one. All the great natural goods that empower agriculture, some of which I have discussed have to do with quantity. But they have to do also with qualities, and they involve principles that are not static, but active. They have to do with formal processes. The top soil exists as such, because it is ceaselessly transforming death into life, ceaselessly supplying food and water to all that lives in it and from it. Otherwise, all flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust. If we are to live well on, and from our land, we must live by faith and the ceaseless of these processes. And by faith also in our own willingness and ability to collaborate with them. Christ's prayer for daily bread is an affirmation of such faith. Justice is a repudiation of faith in much goods laid up, our lives and livelihood are the gift of the top soil and of the human willingness and ability to care for the soil, to grow good wheat, to make good bread, not a stockpiles of raw materials or accumulation of purchasing power. But the industrial economy can define potentiality, even the potentiality of the living topsoil only as a fund, and thus must accept impoverishment, as the inescapable condition of abundance. The invariable mode of its relation, both to nature and the human culture is that of mining, withdrawal from a limited fund until that fund is exhausted. It removes natural fertility and human workmanship from the land, just as it removes nourishment in human workmanship from bread. That's the land is reduced to abstract and marketable quantities of links and width and bread to merchandise high end money value, low end food value. Our bread, Gad Davenport, once said is more obscene than our movies. But the industrial use of any resource implies it's exhaustion. It is for this reason that the industrial economy has been accompanied by an ever increasing hurry of research and exploration. The motive of which is not free enterprise, or the spirit of free inquiry as industrial scientists and apologists would have us believe, but the desperation that naturally and logically accompanies gluttony. One of the favorite words of the industrial economy is control. We want to keep things under control. We wish we say, to control inflation and erosion. We have a discipline known as crowd control. We believe in controlled growth and control development, and traffic control and self control, but we're always setting up to control something that we refuse to limit. And so, we make control a permanent and a doomed enterprise. If we will not limit causes, there can be no controlling of effects. What for instance is to be the fate of self-control in an economy that encourages and rewards unlimited selfishness. More than anything else, we would like to control the forces of nature, refusing at the same time to impose any limit on human nature. We assume that such control and such freedom are our rights, and that assumption seems to assure that our means of control of nature and of all else that we see as alien, will be violent. It is startling to recognize the extent to which the industrial economy depends upon controlled explosions, in minds, in weapons, in the cylinders of engines, in the economic pattern known as boom and bust. This dependence is the result of a progress that can be argued for. But those who argue for it are obliged, and it seems to me to recognize that in all of these means good ends are served by a destructive principle, an association difficult to control if not limited. And they must recognize to, the inevitability that our failure to limit it, has raised the specter of uncontrollable explosion. Nuclear Holocaust, if it comes will be the final destination of an explosive economy. An explosive economy, I take it, is not only an economy that is dependent upon explosions, but one that will set no limits to itself. Any little economy that sees itself as unlimited is obviously self blinded. It will not see its real relation of dependence and obligation to the great economy. It will not see that there is a great economy. It will call a great economy raw material or natural resources or nature, and proceed with the business of putting it under control. But control is a word more than ordinarily revealing here for its root meaning is to roll against, in the sense of a little wheel turning in opposition. You can find that in your dictionary. The principle of control then involves necessarily the principle of division. One thing may turn against another thing only by being divided from it. This mechanical division and turning an opposition, William Blake understood as evil. And he spoke of satanic wheels and satanic mills. Wheel without wheel with cogs terenic moving back and potion each other. But wheel without wheel, Blake meant wheel outside of wheel. One wheel communicating motion to the other in the matter of to cog wheels. The point being, that one wheel can turn another wheel outside itself only in the direction opposite to its own. This I suppose it's acceptable enough as a mechanism. It becomes satanic when it becomes a ruling metaphor, and is used to describe and to organize fundamental relationships. Against the satanic wheel without wheel, Blake set the wheels of Eden, which wheel within wheel in freedom revolve in harmony and peace. And this is the wheel in the middle of a wheel of a Ezekiel vision, and it is an image, though not of course a description of harmony. What had happened? As Blake saw accurately and feared justly, was a fundamental shift in the relation of humankind to the rest of creation. Sometime between say Alexander Pope versus on the Chain of Being, and an Essay on Man, and Blake's owned little poem called London, the dominant minds had begun to see the human race, not as a part or a member of creation, but as outside it and opposed to it. The industrial revolution was only a part of this change, but it is true that when the wheels of the industrial revolution began to revolve, they turned against nature, which became the name for all of creation thought to be below humanity as well as incidentally against all the ones thought to be above. And this would perhaps have been safe enough, if nature, if all of the rest of creation had been as proposed passively subject to human purposes. Of course, it never has been. As Blake foresaw, as we now know, what we turn against most turned against us. Blake's image of the cog wheels turning in relentless opposition is terrifying apt. For in our voted war against nature, nature fights back. The earth may answer our pinches and pokes only with spring as E.E. Cummings said, but if we pinch and poke too much, she can answer also with flood and drought with catastrophic soil erosion, with plague and famine. Many of their the occurrence is that we call acts of God or accidents of nature are simply forthright natural responses to human provocation. Not always, I'm not implying that by living in harmony with nature, we can be free of floods and storms and droughts and earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. I'm only pointing out as many others have done that by living in opposition to nature, we can cause natural calamities that we would otherwise be free of. The problem seems to be that a human economy cannot prescribe the terms of its own success. In a time when we wish to believe that humans are the sole authors of the truth or the truth is relative or that value judgements are all subjective, it is hard to say that a human economy can be wrong. And yet we have good sound practical reasons for saying so. It is possible for a human economy to be wrong, not relatively wrong in the sense of being out of adjustment, or unfair, according to some human definition of fairness or weak, according to its own definition of its own purposes, but wrong. Absolutely, and according to practical measures. Of course, if we see the human economy as the only economy, we will see its errors as political failures, and we'll continue to talk about recovery. But to think about only one thing, is not to think at all. To think, we have to think about two things and the differences between them. It is only when we think of the little human economy in relation to the great economy, then we begin to understand our errors for what they are and to see the qualitative meanings of our quantitative measures. If we see the industrial economy in terms of the great economy, then we begin to see industrial waste and losses, not as trade-offs or necessarily risks, but as costs, which like all costs are chargeable to somebody sometime.\r\n\r\n- We will have questions and answers that are right with you.\r\n\r\n- Questions or answers? I'll entertain your answers first, yeah.\r\n\r\n- Okay.\r\n\r\n- Like, I products from DevOps, I'm farmer and an engineer, so my final touch is get going, but I respect you for the opinion, the problem I have, is I've seen it from the other end, I learned where we originate first, if that's all you have. I'm the first County college, I mean, County educated. I'm learning across through religion, I'm also being drawn by the power of technology, and I'm kind of an enigma, obviously.\r\n\r\n- So we're all.\r\n\r\n- We're all. All right. One problem was I was surprised to use the term sheep because I come from an area where cattle and pigs are the only thing. I saw a sheep in our farm once, and I probably should have shot. But I find it just by the fact that I just read through a hard way\r\n\r\n- Okay. That all right. 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we go on and start from the back, just...\r\n\r\n- Um, well for the obvious reason that, that um, we wouldn't last that way.\r\n\r\n- Can I say the same thing may be true if you're looking for ratio of life in the last few centuries to this one? We live longer, we are healthier, we may have problems and we do have problems, but just saying that the middle ages were a problem, but the period before that were the Romans, was to avoid the fact of distance.\r\n\r\n- Oh I understand very well what you mean, I'm not, I understand that the Romans did exactly what we're doing. That's why the failed. I beg your pardon.\r\n\r\n- But the price...\r\n\r\n- I'm sorry I'm not hearing you.\r\n\r\n- Only but they did what we're doing but with a prior system to that, which was broken down in the first contract and the people there did it with that route before, before the Romans.\r\n\r\n- Well I'm not arguing that people--\r\n\r\n- I understand, I'm just identifying that to me it seems that, it's a difficult enigma to bring the anomaly as a direction.\r\n\r\n- I'm not trying to... I'm trying to, to, I guess I suppose I'm trying to avoid seeing what works as a novelist. What would work as a novelist.\r\n\r\n- A private system has also worked too.\r\n\r\n- Well, but it's big, the present system is working, we can say that only on the basis of an accounting which externalizes tremendous cost. Nobody is paying for soil erosion right now but everybody is gonna pay for it and I'm, motivated by some apprehension that the accounting is gonna be called for eventually. The accounts are, the bills are gonna come to you.\r\n\r\n- I understand what you're saying but, the impression given is that, for example, on the basis of the concept of erosion, the impression is that it wasn't occurring before. It may not be occurring as rapidly but the fact is that it is only occurring. There's been shifts in land masses, there's been shifts in the desert development of the Americas and in the Africa's, they're all parts of nature.\r\n\r\n- Yes I understand.\r\n\r\n- The only alternative we might have with erosion would be to truck the silk back up to buyers.\r\n\r\n- Now wait a minute...\r\n\r\n- I understand what you're saying, I think we have a very valid concept. They could go too far too.\r\n\r\n- Oh, probably they can, but, they never have yet. They... The... All I'm saying is if that you look at Iowa farms, you can't help but see that erosion is more drastic on some than others. All I'm doing is talking about the value system that might enable us to give the most credit to the ones that are not eroding. And, I don't think humans ever have absolute choices. I don't think we can choose between a system that's absolutely bad and another that's absolutely good. Nevertheless that doesn't mean that we're excused from making these choices and, what we have to do, it seems to me, is bring our minds back to the real, human and ecological grounds of these problems. Go back to the farms themselves, the fields, the farm communities, the towns and cities and... see what the, the... What the whole accounting system implies.\r\n\r\n- Given our present crises and one of our many crises, not just agriculture but special crises in the hope that if it's not too late to build a sustainable agriculture system, if it's not too late, where do we start? With people's values, with the system itself, the superstructure? Well you'd start in the same place, you'd start with changing yourself, everything at once. It's terribly ungraceful but, you see, if you change minds, you change values without changing acts, the danger is that the values and the thoughts stray off and become fantastical. People begin to go around talking about the new Eden or something, the industrial paradise, the fountain of youth, stuff like that. On the other hand, if you let acts proceed too far without the changing thought, all of the sudden the acts become crude and brutal and wasteful, and, well, blind because they don't have light anymore. And, so there would be many levels. There are things that you can think of that govern what might do, but you can also think of things that farmers might do. You can think of things that eaters might do. I mean, there's a way to eat responsibly. And it's a dignified matter, but it's complicated and, laborious. So, the thing with farming you see is that, you know, we're always hearing how boats of how many people the American farms is feeding. Well that farmer is also holding proxies to use the land in behalf of these other people. Well, we know that people can dish out proxies to a dangerous extent. You can give a political proxy, your political proxy to your representative in congress in such a way that means he's a, a loose particle and you can't, he'll perform against your own interest. So, the question and it's a tricky and ticklish one is how do people recover their agricultural responsibilities that naturally and rightly belong to them. If you eat, you have agricultural responsibilities. And so, I can think of things, I've thought of things that the government can do. But I also want to talk about what, what people can do personally because I don't think the government will be turned loose to do things. The, the farmers, it seems to me, the greatest loss that farmers have allowed themselves to suffer is the loss of their neighbors. I mean when farmers began to perceive that they didn't need their neighbor, they needed his farm, things were starting downhill. The fact is that the head of labor, you may have a spiritual motive for having labor but if you've got one, you've got a practical asset, you've got help. And, the great loss, of course, of industrial agriculture is neighborhood. People don't swap work anymore, they don't help each other anymore. They pass each other on their own in their big tractors. And that isn't good, yeah.\r\n\r\n- It looks like a lot more farmers are gonna lost their neighbors in the next few years. What's your diagnosis of the farm debt crisis? How do you think it's related to farming prep?\r\n\r\n- Well--\r\n\r\n- That's the big question.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, and, you have to understand that, my confidence to answer all of these questions is limited. I'm just doing the best I can, but it seems to me that, a lot of our troubles are rooted in the fact that money is a symbol. It's no good by itself. Attaching value to money itself is a bad error. It's as if Christians were advised that they could go to heaven by acquiring a big collection of little bitty gold crosses. Money, means, other values. And it ought to stabilly mean them. That is, if the money is performing its symbolic function properly, it will, a dollar will always mean so many pounds of chicken, so many pounds of wheat and that sort of thing. The things people need. And when, that, the abstract quantities of money loses it's symbolic value and begin to accumulate in great piles on their own, then, they can turn back and prey on particular values. Things of real value. As for instance, if you live in a small country town now, you are apt to notice that if a garage, if a mechanic dies in his garage, he put it up for sale, nobody will buy it. In small towns now, nobody is accumulating the little stock of supplies and tools that a plumber needs, maybe a little workshop somewhere. And the reason is that, local money is spending itself outside the community and the immediate reason is that certificates are bringing 12% of something in that neighborhood. Well...$200,000 is not what it used to be, but it's a fair sum and it's, a lot of people have that much, even in country towns. But, if you can make $24,000 a year with that money and not turn a finger, why not? So the money isn't working at home. You can say literally that this money economy is devouring the countryside, the local, rural communities. So that's part of it and then farmers got into that. They got to thinking that they could play the money game and they got to, I think, some of them got to thinking that debt was as good as money and in spite of the best advice, you know, that they were getting from their, their daddies and daughters and they borrowed too much at that kind of percentage and then the value of land went down and so on. It's a familiar, sorry old tale and people are caught that way and it's not, it's not a natural or an inevitable or a human catastrophe. It's completely, it's almost fantastical. But their pain is real and the, the costs are gonna be real. I saw in the paper today that as many as two-thirds of all the farmers may survive. Well, these... What's the critical mass on a species? At what point does it become endangered? And always, it's almost invariable that when a new bunch of farmers comes up for slaughter, some expert will be on hand to say how good it is that at last, we're getting rid of this, this other inefficient bunch, who are just obstructing progress. And the cost aren't weighed. The new, the new farm journal describes, and enterprise by national farms to build a big hog operation out in the sand country in Nebraska. They're gonna, at capacity, this plant will produce... 350,000 pigs, a pig a minute. And the people who are doing this say they think they've caught the crest of the wave, that this is the leading edge of the movement that will transform the hog agriculture as chicken agriculture was transformed a generation ago. Well what are the costs? Farm Journal is awestruck, their mouth is hanging open, this is the greatest thing they've ever seen because it's big. These people are backed by billions of dollars they say. It costs $50 million dollars, that's the title of the article, $50 million dollar hog farm. You farmers, you poor jerks, you locals, cry your eyes out, you'll never have it. The company that's doing this, recently bought nine and nine-tenths a percent of Texaco. They're going to Nebraska because of cheap feed, an agricultural phrase that requires some illucidation, I think. What are the costs? Farm Journal is not going to be able to, to write articles for hog farmers anymore. They never thought of that. You would think that there would be a level at which self interest would have... A little chance to get on its feet and say but wait. The hog specialists in the universities are either going to be wonderfully redundant or unemployed. What are you going to say to, the efforts to interest kids in pigs? There goes the through-H project, there goes the FFA project. What are you going to need with an extension service? What's gonna be the effect on the local community of this? One of the things they're finding is that they can get any number of farm-raised young people to go to work for them. They're really glad to get them because they know how to work. Where's the next generation gonna learn how to work? And it's a disaster, whether it's a success or not. And I hope it's gonna be a success. I hope that there's not a dimple left after it sinks.\r\n\r\n- You talk here of costs.\r\n\r\n- Of what?\r\n\r\n- I couldn't agree with you more when you're talking of costs that we have to consider all of the costs of decisions that are made now. For instance, the clothes that I'm wearing, the food we eat, the charityness of running and building that are up are bought on cheap credit essentially, on the future and we're gonna have to pay that back. But, equating cost and value, I, I believe that there is something here that we are, defining value of everything in terms of killing value, in terms of cost, in terms of economics or aesthetics even that perhaps what's needed is a redefinition of the value of anything, of soil, of species in terms of the whole, in terms of the living earth, in terms of it's part in that. And maybe a redefinition of our place in that.\r\n\r\n- Well in an interesting book called the \"Arrogance of Humanism,\" David Ehrenfeld proposed that the place to start of that is the story of Noah and the flood where everything was saved, everything was worth saving. Now, some things are valuable but we don't know the value, you see, and that's the problem. I wouldn't equate the cost and value. I was actually equating cost of penalty. But, the point, one of the main points I was trying to make here is that mystery exists and must be continued with and, it surrounds us all in the certain envelope of mysteries around every one of them and around every other creature. There's certain things about, about us all, all us creatures here that are unaccountable and when we, if you notice when the explanations come through, they only call for further explanations. If we keep widening the circle of light, so to speak, with knowledge and with learning, but we keep the same circumference describes, the doctors. When we were aware of more ignorance each time we learn anything. And that, I think that's the point. I think that's the reason for education, so we can learn how ignorant we are, not to teach us to manipulate these gifts and exploit them.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much.\r\n\r\n- Thank you, I appreciate all the questions.\r\n\r\n- Mr. Berry will be reading poems and or--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36676/file/105840#t=0.0,1165.632"}]}]}]}