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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43675/file/116768/transcript/28956/annotation/1297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- I'd like to welcome all of you to the Institute on World Affairs. Thank you all for coming out on a not too terribly bad evening. We really appreciate your coming. Thought I might give you a little bit of an idea of some of the other things that will be happening this week. Tomorrow we're going to be talking about the use of outer space. We have a film called \"Libra,\" here in the Pioneer Room at noon. A lecture called The High Frontier by Dr. Gerard O'Neill at Princeton University at eight in the Sunroom. On Wednesday we'll be talking about the dynamics of international terrorism. At 12 noon we'll have a film called, \"Terrorism, to Confront or Concede.\" And then a panel discussion following. Participating in that panel will be Dr. Brian Jenkins, members of the faculty here at ISU and two international students. Then tomorrow, Wednesday evening, Wednesday evening, will be talking, Brian Jenkins will be talking again about the dynamics of international terrorism at eight o'clock in the Sunroom. And then at 10:30 on WYTV, Dimension Five, we'll be having an overview of the institute and Brian Jenkins will be available for that discussion, as well as a number of people from the university will be involved in that, to present an overview of what's been going on this week. Thursday, December 7th we'll be talking about poverty and affluence and showing some films at 12 noon here in the Pioneer Room and a discussion we'll follow that. 39, I don't know quite how to say this, \"390,000,001,\" a film depicting the food and population problem in India. And \"Casimiro\" a film on the Aymara Indians of Bolivia, \"Water and Stones,\" talking about the efforts of an international agency to give aid in an underdeveloped area. And then Thursday evening at eight o'clock here in the Sunroom, Frances Moore Lappe from the Institute for World and Development Policy, will talk about why hunger in a world of plenty? On Friday, we'll be talking about the dilemmas of freedom and the lecturers will be Consul General, Alexander von Schmeling, from the Federal Republic of Germany and David Weissbrodt, a professor at the University of Minnesota Law School. The two topics will be challenges of international terrorism and freedom and human rights in the foreseeable future. We invite all of you to come and participate. We think this will be a very exciting week. Now it gives me great pleasure to present Hazel Henderson to you. She is the co-director of a deliberately small think tank called the Princeton Center for Alternative Futures. She asks questions of people that other people have been afraid to ask, but you should see the results. It's really astounding. Hazel Henderson.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much, Julie. Well, under the general title of creating alternative futures, I wanna particularly talk about tonight the transition to renewable resource societies. Now the very idea of alternative futures suggests some sort of loss of cultural coherence and some sort of search for new values and social goals. And this current cultural confusion and cognitive dissonance, is I believe, part of what I call the emerging politics of reconceptualization, which is now occurring in all of the late-stage, mature industrial countries, here and in Western Europe. And I believe that we are witnessing the decline of industrialism itself and its major preoccupation with maximizing material production and its technological determinism. And it's very narrow, quantitative, view of efficiency and reductionist type logic. Now this particular worldview, which underlies all industrial societies, whether they're market-oriented as our own, or those that are centrally controlled and socialistic. And it's the same kind of worldview in both. And I believe that we can no longer see the kind of problems of industrial economies in terms of the 19th century etiologies of Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism. We find the Soviet Union is facing lowered growth and environmental problems, while China suddenly now seems to be trying to follow a typical industrialization attempt. And at the same time, we see the already industrialized nations are colliding with energy and resource limits and this mysterious disease that their economists are unable to diagnose, stagflation. So the symptoms of the decline of industrialism itself and the globally interlinked economic systems of multinational production and trade and monetary agreements, and now in our headlines every day. And let's just look at some of the signs that the Soaring Sixties and the stagflation seventies, may be succeeded by an austerity era of the 80's. Now I'm not worried about the longer term, but I am very worried about the next 10 years and the kind of transition that these industrial societies are going to have to go through. Some of the symptoms in the newspapers, the Joint Economic Committee at the beginning of this year released a study on US long-term economic growth prospects entering a new era. And they predicted that the 1980s would be a period of high resource costs and lower GNP growth. And as the Chairman Richard Balling said, \"This transition to slower growth would challenge economic policies never before.\" And then we see that just in July, the OECD in Paris released a study which warned that due to the increasing automation of the economies of the 24 member nations of the OECD, which are basically the industrialized countries, that any increase in investment would merely accelerate the present trend of replacing workers with evermore sophisticated machines instead of creating new jobs. The study warned for the specter of the 1980s, being an era of virtually jobless economic growth. Which suggests as we always thought that economic growth was about creating jobs. That there's a great deal of cognitive dissonance about the idea of jobless economic growth. What on earth is it for? And then we find, of course the continued inflation, the structural unemployment in the now worldwide economic turbulence, as well as the domestic tax revolt that we're beginning to have to deal with in this country, which of course happened in Denmark some years ago. And we find the symptoms in the fall the value of the dollar and the persistent balance of payments deficit. For example, the 30 billion that President Carter committed to propping up the dollar a few weeks ago, is already one third used up. And so that takes us maybe about to mid-February, where we have to start thinking of something else if we can't keep the speculators at bay, what will we do? Will it be even higher interest rates? Already we're dealing with the slowing down of the economy due to the kind of interest rate rises we've already had put in motion. Now of course, all of this is very familiar in my home country of Britain. We've been dealing with all of this stop and go type of stuff for a decade. But for the first time in this country we're now seeing the same problem, that anything we try to do internationally to strengthen our position will cause domestic recession. And conversely, anything we do to just to try to stimulate the domestic economy, will increase our balance of payments problems and cause the dollar to decline. Other symptoms, US farmland and real estate being bought up by foreigners trying to get rid of US dollars. That's quite a problem I understand here in the state. The countries of the European Common Market are trying now to devise their own reserve currency because they no longer want to rely on the dollar as a, an international reserve currency because they don't really believe that the US knows how to manage its economy very well. Then there are the equally disturbing signs of what I call the fading American Dream, owning a home of one's own. In the 1950s, seven out of 10 Americans could look forward to owning their own home. Now only four out of 10 can. Automobile ownership, there was another linchpin of the American Dream. Well, where you see the automobile ownership picture changing, a few years ago everybody took no more than three-year automobile loans. Now they're mostly four-year loans and some of them, quite a few of them are five-year loans. And it's now insurance that's the problem. In some cities insurance is getting to be somewhere up around a $1,000 a year. So this is pricing people out of automobile ownership. And the figures here can be seen very clearly in the fact that a lot of people now are driving uninsured automobiles. And they don't, the first time you get wind of those statistics is when they turn up in the police records, that these people are driving without insurance, probably because they can't afford it. Another part of the American Dream, sending the children to college. The costs of that are not only soaring, but as we all know the value of a college degree is declining. And we know, we all know about the PhDs that are out there pushing taxis. Real incomes and wages when corrected for inflation, even at the official rate, have been approximately flat for about five years. Then there's the Social Security costs going up, pension plans, particularly in cities, somewhat actuarially unsound. Then you have the vanishing candy bar form of inflation. Where you have declining urban services, you're paying just the same but you don't get the garbage picked up quite as often and the mail service is getting a little poorer, and that kind of inflationary affect. And of course the other symptom is the growth of bureaucracy in the hope that we know how to to deal with all of these things by rational government action. And I define this whole syndrome in my book as the stage at which industrial societies reach a stage of maturity, which I call the entropy stage. And I use the analogy with entropy in a physical system in the sense that what happens is that industrial economies finally become so complex and so interdependent that nobody can model them and nobody can manage them and they begin generating all kinds of unanticipated social consequences and technological side effects. And more and more people have to be employed to try and work out the conflicts and mediate the disputes and regulate and police the side effects. Until finally you reach a stage where all of these transaction costs begin to exceed the actual productivity of that particular type of society. And so the society sort of drifts to a soft landing in a steady state and inflation masks the declining condition. So, part of the reconceptualization of our situation, I believe, is that we are all children of the age of petroleum. And which along with the other fossil fuels, coal and gas, underpinned the enormous explosion of industrial growth of the past 200 years. And most of us have now seen this portrayed very graphically on a time span of total human history. I'm sure you must all be familiar with this incredible graph called Hubbert's Pimple. Have any of you seen that? It's really a mind-bending thing but you see there is time, you know the whole of human history, and you see here is the prius the Stone Age, and you see its energy use per capita. And then you see this going along, you know, and Columbus discovered America and all the rest, when you get to about the, you know, the 18th century. and suddenly this thing begins going up and up and up like this, and this is use of fossil fuel. And then you see it go all the way down and down, down and by the year 2000 it's all gone . And that's called Hubbert's Pimple And it's, Hubbert's was, is a petroleum geologist who worked for some of the big oil companies during the 50s and 60s and tried to tell them about the declining rate of new fines and was really laughed out of court for a long time, but now an awful lot of people are paying attention to M. King Hubbert. Now our children and their children will, if we make this rather trying transition that we have to make, be the first generations of the dawning solar age of societies, that I believe will be more localized and decentralized but we'll have the shared outlook of planetary civilizations. Or some people have put it, it won't be a global village, but it might be a globe of villages that all have the same understanding that we live on a little blue planet. Now, I would add that this globe of villages, if you want to use that image, would all be linked by enormously increased information sharing, an idea exchanging, and we would have, I would imagine, tremendous growth of all kinds of multidimensional networks of freely associating people knitting these societies in different learning and working patterns than we can really imagine today. And just, I think as we're learning that we can't manage an abstraction called the macro economy from central bureaucratic organizations of government, or of production as with massive corporations. So we're also learning that we cannot manage our information nervous system as a centralized system of one way mass media with ABC, CBS, NBC, Time and Newsweek dominating our minds. We need to learn now how to modulate the signals and create local and interpersonal media where the information is appropriate to our local communities and our interactions with our neighbors and our region. And it's just as possible, it seems to me, to develop a correct picture of one's true situation on a little blue planet, by developing a deeper sense of communion with one's own locality and its soil and its watersheds, vegetation, geology, and ecology as it is to see pictures of the earth relayed from the moon. However, I think in developing our new conception of our situation we are very lucky, because we have both this macro group, the macro view of the planet and the micro view of learning to commune with the place we live in as well. And we have to learn when to use both these modes and how to use them appropriately and to learn to mesh them in our minds. So now let's just take a little peak at the coming solar age and the challenges that we face near term if we're to reach this type of post-industrial society. Now, the term post-industrial, as it was used by Daniel Bell, he really meant that it would sort of be a continual trajectory growing out of the Industrial Revolution and very much based on more and more efficiency in the current way that we do things. So that everybody would end up be, working in the knowledge sector and pushing paper and learning to play the harp and things like that. But it would be kind of a beautiful flower that would grow on the existing industrial society without too much change. I don't believe we're going to see that kind of post-industrial future. I believe we're going to see a change of direction, rather than a straight line growing out of the existing configuration. So for a long time now I have been going around asserting that the evolution of industrial societies would involve a shift from the simple sort of brute force, MiTAC technologies based on cheap and assessable resources and energy, to a second generation of much more subtle and refined technologies grounded in a much deeper understanding of biological and ecological realities. And whether they involve more efficient use of the planets daily solar income, passive architecture, solar and thermal and photovoltaics, water, wind power, ocean thermal systems, bio conversion of wastes, enhancing biomass productivity. All of these kind of technologies will require a much more sophisticated scientific knowledge of organic and ecological systems. And I think that post-industrial science will involve a shift in focus from hardware to software. In other words, we're going to have to think much harder and more systematically before we act. And it won't be just a matter of retooling the world around us, as we've been used to doing in the past, but examining ourselves, our values, our motives, our culture and this will be the kind of shift that I would expect. I don't think we will confuse momentum with progress quite as much as we do today. I would expect that in this kind of a future society, a problem of production would no longer automatically conjure up instant visions of a factory or a machine or any hardware at all. Instead, we might much more carefully model the problem in its largest social and ecological dimensions. Define it and redefine it, review all kinds of diverse options, scan ecological systems for signs of productive potential that we might tap or augment before we commit any investments. And as we're learning from biological sciences there are substitutable ways of meeting human needs of which we have hardly dreamed. Whether to replace petrochemicals, or fossil hydrocarbons or minerals, for example, I was just amazed to find that plants concentrate 5 billion metric tons of minerals annually in their root systems, which is five times the production of all human mining operations. I found that rather humbling. So today we see an emerging post-industrial, renewable resource, type society in many of these industrial countries, very rudimentary, but there. As you know, in this country we are already, the administration is already saying that 32% of all US energy needs can be met by solar energy by the year 2000. And that the solar energy industry in this country will be worth $2 billion by 1985. And so these societies are growing in the midst of the unsustainable older society. But I think if these kind of solar-based economies are going to begin growing up alongside the kind of economies that are now subsiding, sectors that are subsiding, they're going to involve a basic shift of focus and a reconceptualization of how human production systems can operate integrally with nature, rather than parasitically upon it, or by exploiting weaker human groups or societies. And this sort of integrated growth of the solar and the regenerative resources sector will not represent the quantitative growth of the cancer cell or the linear growth of the GNP measured monetized economy, but can be a qualitative life enhancing-growth that's symbiotic with the health of humans and their society in the biosphere. So I see all of these industrial societies, such as our own and Canada, and those of Western Europe and Japan, right now going through an inevitable transition, due to their very success in the past 200 years of the Industrial Revolution, in maximizing labor productivity and in maximizing GNP measured growth of their institutionalized monetized economies and that this economic transition is already underway. And it involves the inevitable shift from economies that maximize the rates of production and consumption based on non-renewable resources, to economies that minimize wasteful rates of throughput of energy and materials, and will be based on renewable resources and managed for sustained yield long-term productivity. Now, we don't have to tell anyone who lives in Iowa about sustained yield productivity, because farmers and people who live in farming communities know all about sustained yield. The thing we have to do now is to teach it to economists. So the symptoms of this sort of transition are the increasing rates of inflation and the structural unemployment and the failure of macro economic management, and of course the tax revolt. Now this transition, we are experiencing really as marking the end of the Age of Keynes. And after, of course, John Maynard Keynes the economist whose policies really we have been following in many of these countries now for the past 30 years or so. The reliance on trickle down theories of stimulating total demand, so that greater consumption by the more affluent is supposed to trickle down to benefit poorer groups by increasing sales, profits, investment, consumption and jobs in the private sector. And of course, if more workers got automated out of the private sector, or if private consumer demand faltered, there was always public works, pump priming, and easy credit to fill the gap, while government employment and local and state and federal has become the employer of last resort. Now, all this works out quite well with almost unnoticeable rates of inflation, as long as cheap, abundant energy and resources, could be imported from other countries and from our own rich supplies. However, now we find in an age of higher global expectations an understandable demand from resource rich, less developed countries for a new international economic order that these cheap resources are going to be denied to all of these newly vulnerable industrial countries. They know now that we are not only energy junkies, but we're resource junkies. And for the first time they've got a card to negotiate with us. So I think all these industrial countries will face this unavoidable period of retrenchment as they gear down their now excessive energy and resource intensity. Which is a very difficult thing to do because it means writing off a lot of old investment and a lot of of new investment that has to be made rather quickly. But during the transition, I expect that the emerging renewable resource sectors of industrial economies will continue their very rapid growth, and they will provide both safety nets and bridges to the future. Whether it's the solar energy industry, whether it's maintenance, retrofitting, conservation, better waste management, recycling, all of this intermediate rolling readjustment that we're going to have to do in the next few years. And similarly, what I call the emerging counter economy will also flourish. And this is based on the newly localized and regionalized efficiencies of scale, which are dictated by higher energy prices. You know, it doesn't make any sense anymore ship an awful lot of things back and forth across the country, and so local bakers and local produce and all kinds of localized activities become competitive again, when transportation energy reaches a certain cost. This counter economy is the inevitable outgrowth of the exhaustion of the logic and the possibilities of maximizing the institutionalized economy, the competitive monetized market economy which is measured by the GNP. I think why we find it so difficult to understand is that they're really two separate sectors of our economy. There's the market money economy and there's the informal economy, the economy of use value, which is not measured by cash at all. I always like to point out the difference. You know, if you wanted to really double the GNP overnight and make the economist tremendously happy all we'd have to do is everybody would go into their neighbor's house and prepare the meal and charge restaurant prices to their neighbors for it. And then the neighbors would come in and sleep in your beds and you would charge them hotel rates. And the GNP would double overnight and every, all the economists in Washington would be thrilled. You know, that's the way we have to start realize, we have to start differentiating between the GNP monetized economy and the real economy. 'Cause the real economy is really quite healthy, but nobody looks at it. And if we wanted to really make the GNP go up we ought to all go out of this place and break windows, you know, that would do the best possible thing for the GNP. So of course, this informal economy, has been described in many terms, there is a very nice little book by Scott Burns called, \"The Household Economy\" and he talks about the productivity of American households. And I really urge you to get that book and read it because it gives you, it's like looking through the other end of the telescope, at the real productivity that goes on in American households. And of course, when we go to solar energy that will include being able to generate a lot of your own power, so that maybe you'll be able to unhook yourself for some of the time from the central power company. Another writer, James Robertson wrote a book called \"The Sane Alternative,\" he calls it the informal economy. But what we we're talking about here is the more cooperative, reciprocal, convivial, localized economy of use value, rather than market value. And I think that what we have to realize is that the part of the economy that's giving us trouble now is the institutionalized economy. And because that's all anybody notices and we're all excessively linked into it now, that this is where the main difficulty lies. And I remember a few years ago, I was trying to describe the limits of the attempt to maximize this institutionalized economy as involving a very fundamental set of societal trade-offs. And they are the trade-offs between division of labor and specialization on the one hand, which creates that incredible complexity in centralization. And on the other hand, the inevitable transaction costs of coordination and communication and central organization and bureaucratization. And I was amazed to find just recently, somebody has taken my thesis, which I go into in the book a little bit, and made it rather rigorous mathematically. And this is a new paper, which is being published in France by an information theorist and he has a whole set of equations to show how you can't push with this centralized, centralizing of economic activity as much as we've tried to do because he says that you run into diminishing returns because of the information costs. That he also reaches the same conclusion that industrial economies, when they reach a certain limit of centralized capital intensive production we'll have to shift direction to a more decentralized production technologies, decentralized economic activities and political configurations and use more laterally linked information networks because this becomes the only way to overcome the severe information bottlenecks that develop in these sort of excessively hierarchical and bureaucratized institutions. So I call this change of direction, a scenario of spontaneous devolution. Where citizens are simply beginning to recall the power formerly delegated to politicians, administrators, and bureaucrats, they were quite happy to delegate it on the upside of that curve, they were doing everything just right. And also to recall some of the power they delegated to business leaders to make far-ranging economic and production and technological decisions. And the growth that you see today in all of these industrial countries, of citizen movements for consumer and environmental protection, for corporate and government accountability, for human rights and social justice, tax revolt, the drive for worker self-management, the growth of the human potential movement, self-care, self-help, holistic health, demands for humanly scaled, small is beautiful technologies, the alternative lifestyle people, the rise of ethnic pride, and the demands for autonomy being made by indigenous ethnic peoples. They're all part of this spontaneous devolution of old unsustainable hierarchical structures. And I've got quite a few statistics on the the extent of this kind of breaking away from these institutionalized structures. I think one of the most famous reports was done by the Stanford Research Institute a couple of years ago that said between four and five million Americans had opted to drop out of the rat race and had reduced their cash incomes and were trying to rearrange their lives around more psychic satisfaction and simpler lifestyles. 34 million people now belong to credit unions. The numbers of people, 60% of the $31 billion that were spent by home repair industry, the sales of the home repair industry was people doing fix ups, doing their own, do it yourself fix ups of their own property. And so it goes, there's the lot of 5 million people now belong to holistic, self-help healthcare organizations. You look at the rise of the media that serve these kinds of markets, \"Prevention\" magazine has two million circulation, \"Organic Gardening,\" a million five circulation. There's a very interesting little publishing effort called, it used to be called the \"Alternative Christmas Catalog,\" which is booming where people can buy psychic gifts for each other at Christmas instead of buying junkie, material things. And I think that the statistics on people who raise food in their own backyards are 32 million Americans in 1977, raised $14 billion worth of vegetables in their own backyard window boxes. This is all part, I think, of trying to restore some of the feeling of lost autonomy. Where people are just trying to figure out how they can unhook from some of these macro conditions that they don't really understand. So, meanwhile, today's decision-makers in all of these old institutions are very clearly losing their confidence and the bureaucracies that so many of them head, where the government or corporate bureaucracies are beginning to become sort of checkmated, as this dinosaur stage gets reached. Now happily, unlike the rather hysterical tone of a lot of corporate advertising, particularly I'm thinking of Mobil Oil's ads right now, it's not a matter of growth versus no growth. It never is. It's always a matter of what's growing and what's declining. And so we find that all of these neighborhood and community-based enterprises are mushrooming as viable alternatives. We see the growth of co-ops, 50 million Americans now belong to co-ops, and, you know, in Washington some people still think that co-ops are un-American. As you know President Carter signed the National Co-op Bank Bill and so we're now going to get a whole lot of money to fertilize all of this kind of cooperative enterprise at the local level. You see the rise of worker-owned and self-managed enterprises, and all kinds of bartering and sharing and self-help and mutual aid, and one of the things that really surprised me in the President's figures in the financial report to the Congress on the numbers of jobs created in the economy last year. 10% of the increase in employment in the American economy last year was due to the growth of the self-employed. And that's the first time that statistic has turned round in a long time. And then of course, there's the well-known figures on the people who were moving back to rural areas and small towns from the cities. And that turnaround began where you were getting net losses in urban areas. That happened maybe three or four years ago. And of course, we find that inflation is driving much of this kind of new interest in the informal economy. And for example, people who buy their food in food co-ops save about 33% on the average, on the price of their fresh produce. So shortening those loops between farmer and the consumer are beginning to be a darn helpful thing to do. So you see all of this reknitting of American communities into new patterns that are, look rather different than in the past. Now, an economy that is based on renewable resources and carefully managed for sustained yield long-term productivity of all of its resources can provide useful and satisfying work and richly rewarding lifestyles for all its participants. But it simply cannot provide support for enormous pyramided capital structures, huge overheads, large pay differentials, wind for return on investments, capital gains to investors, nor can it finance the overblown executive stock options or some of the already extended pension liabilities. The huge office buildings, the corporate jet aircraft, the country club memberships, the art collections and all of those perks that were subsidized in the receding era by cheap fossil fuels and resources. And all of this overhead of course, was masked by the convenient economic theories of externalizing costs, where you simply passed on the cost you didn't want to account for on your own balance sheet and your own prices. You pass them onto the taxpayers, onto society at large, hid them in the environment, or passed them on to future generations. And of course, now that's not possible anymore. A lot of social bills are coming due right now. This is of course, one of the reasons why the quote, productivity figures are quote, declining. We simply overstated productivity for an awful long time. I have a paper on that, if any of you are interested in some of the reasoning that I use. So nor would I say, can these renewable resource-based economy sustain massive nuclear arsenals and permanent war economies, or costly space adventures. And I feel a little intimidated being in this room. So, I believe that in the transition we will simply have to stretch capital and energy and resources further, cutting the percentage of waste from our energy systems and combining our precious capital with more productive people in smaller and flatter structured enterprises that can liberate human initiative in energy. So the question always arises, what about world competition? But we have to remember that all industrialized societies, both market-oriented and the socialist ones are experiencing similar stresses. And the USA is among the richest and the most wasteful, and so is in the most advantageous position to cut out flab without cutting into muscle. Now, the flab that everybody talks about is in a nutshell, institutional overhead. And I don't just mean the overgrowth of government bureaucracy, although that's a good whipping boy right now, but are also overgrown corporate bureaucracies and centralized corporate structures. Another example of this sort of institutional overhead that drives the point home, according to the Worldwatch Institute, for the price of one central nuclear power plant, you could fit every single home in New Hampshire with solar water heaters. These are the kind of trade-offs we have to start looking at now. So it seems at the same time, that the kind of demands of tomorrow's labor force will probably be for more opportunities for personal development and job satisfaction and those most often favor small companies, which can be more democratically managed and which can release human potential and productivity because people identify more with the enterprise and they have greater motivation. In fact, I think that our greatest future productivity gains will simply come from learning to trust people to do a good job. It's the one thing we haven't really tried yet, have we? And already, I think there's a great interest due I think to the worldwide interest in human rights. In the whole question of human rights and civil liberties for employees, and there's a new book out on this written by David Ewing, who's an editor of the Harvard Business Review called, \"Freedom Inside the Organization.\" And he is putting forth a basic charter of human rights for employees for heaven sakes. Why should democracy stop at the plant gate? And I think that this is a whole area where human history and motivation can be liberated. Now all of this, is not to say that large corporations are going to fade away, because they will not. We're still going to need to pour steel and aluminum and maintain telephone systems and electrical grids. But I think some of these systems we might agree have reached an optimal size already. And the growth of the newer sectors of the economy may better satisfy new needs in wholly new ways for which these old corporations and their existing technological configurations are just quite unsuitable. Now, it's very hard for them. They're all going through these awful identity crises. I keep talking to, at least when I talk to corporate people, I talk about the problems of being a growth-dependent organization. There's an awful lot of corporations out there that are growth-dependent organizations and they're just fit to be tied. They just know quite how they're going to wind down. But some of them are beginning to face up to it. So I think that the function really of so much of the consumer activity and the alternative lifestyle and the conserver type movements is really becoming crucial now because these kind of citizen movements are playing a vital role in challenging the overgrown and the obsolescent companies and industries. And this means that our consumers really are now having to get into the business of educating management. And most corporate leaders of course were acculturated during the age of petroleum. And they haven't yet grasp the fact that the socioeconomic transition to the solar age is going to require an entire shift in economics. And this shift is going to involve replacing the linear static logic of market equilibrium economics with a much more realistic general systems view of the larger social and ecological contexts of management's decisions. And the most fatal flaw of course, of the traditional Flat Earth Economics, is that it involves the assumptions of this lovely equilibrating economic system, such as, probably actually existed during the time of Adam Smith. Where you had all these small producers and small consumers meeting each other in the marketplace and everybody had equal power and equal information. That's a pretty good way to allocate resources if you actually have that kind of market conditions. But it probably only exists today in the babysitter market. And so it doesn't work too well to run the whole economy that way. And of course today what's happened is that you have due to the fine tuning of a whole generation of activist economists who have got into this Keynesian thing, thought they could tinker with everything, is that you have this evermore complex economic structure. And what always interests me about these economists is that they're always playing around with the lead and the lag times around their own oscillations, various economic policy changes are made very short-term. And so there's all of these little oscillations and then they're all focused on the oscillations and they're all trying to do things to the oscillations. And so it's like a real Rube Goldberg device. And so the whole problem today of course, is that these kinds of economies are not in equilibrium at all, they're in chronic of disequilibrium. And not only that, but they're all interlinked nationally and they ride the same global roller coaster of world trade monetary systems and they're all getting inflations and recessions at the same time. And you can't manage a domestic economy because you don't control enough of the variables domestically, to be able to do that. And so here we are in the fix we're in today. Another mistaken argument that I hear from corporate leaders is this whole business about the decline in American and productivity, and also you hear this moan about the decline in productivity in many of these countries. And the argument is made that it's due, one, to greedy workers. And two, to environmental and safety regulations and consumerism. And I found a welcome surprise in \"Businessweek\" recently, where at last, they came to the point of admitting that wage settlements are not the primary cause of inflation. So we're making progress. And I have done, I don't know whether of you seen this new Commerce Department study, which purports to show that the productivity declines in the American economy are because of environmental and safety regulations. And if we would only repeal all of these things and deregulate everything, we could go back to the good old days. But of course my little critique of that study is there, and as I mentioned before, the basic problem is that we have overstated the productivity for decades and now the bills are coming due and they're simply having to be paid. Another problem of course, is how you define productivity. And we have a problem in as much as we equate productivity in this country with labor productivity, in other words, productivity per capita. And of course that has been the whole idea of the Industrial Revolution. To have more and more labor saving and putting more and more machines in place of people. And so now, as we're going through this transition where it's now capital and energy and resources that are scarce, and we've automated large segments of our population into the ranks of the structurally unemployed, we have to change our measure of productivity and to start talking about energy productivity and bioproductivity and total-factor productivity. But all they ever do in the statistics in Washington that come out of the Labor Department, they're still talking about labor productivity. That simply doesn't make sense if you're in the sort of fix that we're in today. So I think that another whole area which, where this debate about how you reconceptualize the situation is that this productivity decline is then assumed to be, there's also part of the culprit in the decline in our rates of technological innovation. And these two problems are what are really now seen as leading us to a ruinous state of inflation and all the rest of it. So everybody now, in Washington there's a big flap going on about technological innovation and why we don't have more of it. And I think that what we have to understand is that the inflation rates that we are now experiencing are best understood from beyond the vantage point of economics. And you have to look at them in general system theory terms as part of this systemic increase in social complexity, the transaction costs and all of these unanticipated social impact costs of private sector activities. For example, you know, if you have a chemical industry or a pharmaceutical industry, that's creating thousands of unknown chemical compounds every year, you shouldn't be surprised that you have to have an FDA and an FTC and all of these very expensive government agencies to try to figure out what these chemicals do when they get in the groundwater and they get in the food chain, and they get in our bodies and all the rest of it. And all of this kind of social cost, of this private activity, of course is added to the GNP rather than subtracted. And so you don't really know whether you're going forwards or backward. And then there's an enormous amount of additional inflation that is coming from the declining quality of our energy and resource base. Where you simply have to put more and more capital into getting your energy and resources from more and more degraded and inaccessible deposits. And so the economists think that this is the declining productivity of capital, which it is really in their terms. And what all it means is that these capital investments are just producing less and less net yield. But because there's all this money activity you have more and more wheels spinning and inflation now, a good part of our inflation is coming from that whole area. So what we find now is that this declining technological innovation, before we can unravel what that means, I think we have to rethink the meaning of technological innovation. How we're gonna define it, and how are we going to measure it. We cannot go on lumping together, apples and oranges under the rubric of technological innovation. For example, the real technological innovations being made in the electronics industry. Which increased the capacity of microprocessors, so you get more and more information on smaller and smaller chips. And you cannot equate that kind of real productivity with the introduction of a new cigarette brand or patent medicine or cereal or hair shampoo. And yet in the figures, they're all considered innovation. Now, have you ever heard of anything so silly? And so we have to remember that some technological innovations have value and add to our wealth, like the microprocessor, and others are best described as ilf. Such as the junk phone call, over-sugared cereal, cigarettes, everybody has their favorite. And also of course, that many of our technological innovations create these unanticipated social costs and impacts. They create or destroy jobs. They cause population shifts. They create health problems that sometimes don't show up for many, many years, believe you've got that sort of a problem with a chemical dump here in Iowa in St. Charles. That's something that the EPA just. Now, so you find a perfect example of technological innovation that everybody should be excited about, that I just came across, is a big breakthrough. they just had in Las Vegas. They have put up, or they're in the process of putting up a completely automated casino, untouched by human labor. There'll be no croupiers, no waiters, no waitresses, nobody running the projection machines and the movie houses. Isn't that a wonderful technological innovation? So you see if we can't start sorting out what these concepts mean, I'm afraid we're not going to get very far. So I think that today we find citizens and environmentalists and consumers and activists of all kinds are accepting the responsibility of reeducating, the Flat Earth economists. And trying to make them understand that the problem we have now is, you know, that we really need the economists to recycle themselves. And so just, just to finish because I think I'm talking too long, we find that this whole old economic paradigm is making life very difficult in terms of shifting our energy system to a renewable resource base. Because we have all of this rhetoric about the free market you see and. So what the economists are telling us now is that solar energy and all of these new energy sources should compete for the consumer's dollar in the marketplace. And yet we find, that according to a study done a few months ago by the Patel Institute, which analyzed the federal incentives that have stimulated, all of the old type of energy production, that in the past 10 years or so the American taxpayer has underwritten nuclear, coal, oil and gas, to the tune of about $134 billion. And this has been for, you know, oil depletion allowances, all kinds of stuff, special services. So we have this enormous subsidy that the taxpayers have used to underwrite all of these old energy forms. And then we're told that solar has to compete with them in the free market. So the piece that I did in \"Solar Age,\" there's some copies of that at the back. I was pointing out how difficult, this puts the whole economy in this catch-22 situation of now we don't know whether we should equivalently subsidize the solar energy industry so that it can quote compete on an equal footing. Or do we peel off the subsidies from some of the older energy systems and make them compete fairly with solar? One way or another, it's an extraordinarily inefficient situation. And because of all of these past subsidies to coal, oil, nuclear, and gas, of course they've developed this enormous technological structure and all those lovely people who are sending their children to college on nuclear energy, and how do you unravel a complicated situation like that? So one of the things I believe we really have to do is to subsidize solar with consumer tax credits, the way they've done in California where now 75% of all new housing starts in California last year were solar. You cannot afford not to build a solar house in California and the banks give you a special break on the mortgage if it's a solar house and all of this sort of thing. So I think that a clearer understanding of the sort of choices that we're going to face during this transition period, will require this shift in the basic logic of the market type economics that has brought us to this point. And what we have to see specifically, it's that it's not a matter of free markets and those mysterious market forces, which derive we are told from an invisible hand of the creator. But rather that we humans have always created markets by our legislative and political activities. And this has been a perfectly sensible, if not brilliant thing to do. We should be quite proud of it. But the mistake has been that we pretend that God's doing it. And then that confuses everybody. You can't have a sensible policy debate if you keep blaming God. And so I think that now we have to take responsibility and the credit and admit that the invisible hand has always been our own. And that markets are our servants and not our masters. And I think that if we just did that one thing it would clarify the public debate enormously, and anyone who wants to go into a little history about what a really important social invention the creation of markets was. You can recall Polanyi's book, \"The Great Transformation\" and he points out in that book that markets are in the course of human history a very are almost an aberration. And that most societies in human history have used other forms of resource allocation, such as reciprocity and redistribution. And what we find today is that an entire generation of economists in this country at least, believe that prices and free markets are the opposite of regulation. Well, they're not. They're just one form of regulation. And we have created, the American economy today is an incredible crazy quilt of legislated markets of one type or another. And so I think that this is what I mean by the kind of reconceptualization that's going to be needed. And I think that particularly with the whole problem of how do we deal with our consumption of energy? All of the methods being talked about at the moment are one form or another of rationing by price. Put the price of gasoline up, put the price of heating oil up, everybody in this country feels that's the only possible way to reduce energy consumption. And they have found of course in Europe that it really doesn't work very well, because people will substitute almost anything, they'll stop having their teeth fixed in order to buy their gasoline and drive around. So I believe that we're going to have to bite the bullet in this country, as they are in Europe and in many other countries, and begin looking at conscious developing, conscious conservation policies that we hope can be democratically discussed and democratically agreed upon. And if we don't start doing this pretty soon I think time will run out for us. I think the election that we just had where politicians were competing with each other in their demagoguery, with the phony tax cuts, all of the promises and the pork barrel, all predicated on a growing economic pie, which we all know is not growing. And what we have to do now is to get our, our politicians to start helping the debate about how do we redefine the pie. And the real choices, the way things look to me, are recession, which is the economist's favorite, inflation, which the politicians prefer, or not demand management in the old Keynesian way, where you simply cranked up the price of interest and turned off the money supply, but selective demand reduction by consciously debated and discussed conservation. And in other words, don't try to do it through the monetary system at all, but let's talk to each other about how we're gonna do it. Are we gonna do it like the French? Where you cannot advertise any products, which would tend to increase the non-essential use of energy. Do we want to do it that way? Or just to finish? Do we want to do it, like the Canadians are doing it? And the Canadians have just brought out a huge government study called the conserver society, and what they're doing now is trying to set up town meetings and discussions all over Canada about this conserver society. And they, they call it the concern, the play of course, is that Canada can't go on being a consumer society that it has to be a conserver society. And they call it a Blueprint for Canada's Future, question mark. And they have five scenarios that they're asking the Canadian people to discuss. The first they call the scenario of the status quo. Now all good futurists have one scenario which is a straight line projection of what we got now, only more and bigger and brighter. So the first one is the scenario of the status quo, doing more with more, mass consumption society, uncontrolled growth. The second is a scenario of growth with conservation, doing more with less. Increased efficiency, waste reduction and technological, more appropriate technological design, you know, better energy efficiency in appliances, that sort of thing. The third scenario they call the high level stable state scenario, doing the same with less. Achievement of stability with affluence, reduction of inequalities. They're gonna talk about that, actually talk about it. Then there's the fourth one, the Buddhist scenario, doing less with less. Rejection of the mass consumption society, decentralized economy, soft technology, value change. They're gonna talk about that. And the fifth one is called the scenario of the squander society, doing less with more. Extravagant. Dedication to mass consumption and waste, obsolescence, self-destruction of consumer goods. So, I believe that if we could get this sort of a thing going in this country we might get through the transition very nicely and we might actually enjoy the discussion with each other. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- I've got various things here that maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43675/file/116768#t=0.0,4258.584"}]}]}]}