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It is my pleasure tonight, to introduce the speaker for the worst, for the first! Now we're getting off to a good start. For the first World Food Institute lecture. These lectures are gonna be held annually as part of our educational activities at the Institute. We were very fortunate, to obtain as our first lecturer, Dr. Kenneth Boulding, a man who has appeared before at Iowa State University audiences several times. Dr. Boulding, a native of England, has had a distinguished career in his profession. He graduated from Oxford and has been on the staff of several universities in the United States and Canada, including Iowa State in the past, and is presently Director of the Program of Research on General Social and Economic Dynamics Institute of Behavioral Sciences at the University of Colorado in Boulder. Dr. Boulding has been the recipient of many awards in recognition of his contributions. And has been an officer in a number of professional organizations, including president of the Society of General Systems Research, president of the International Peace Research Society, and president of the Association for the Study of Grants Economy. Dr. Boulding has been the author, or editor of over 24 books in the field of Economics and Social Sciences. He is the author of many papers, and his work has earned honorary degrees from many universities. To read the list of honors would, I fear, take too much time from his lecture. So I will introduce him at this time. I'm honored to present the distinguished Dr. Kenneth Boulding.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much. It's a real honor to be asked to be the first of these lectures . And a great pleasure as always, to come back to Ames which, is always like coming home, even though it's actually almost 30 years now since I lived here. But I indulged in shameless nostalgia today, as I went around and looked at all the places where we'd lived and had such a good time in the past. Well, this may be a rather depressing speech. This is one reason why I've worn a bow tie tonight because I don't believe anybody wears a bow tie, so I'm hoping actually that you won't have to believe me. And I know as much about the next 200 years as you do, which isn't very much, because the main property of the future, is uncertainty. And anybody who predicts the future should probably have his head examined anyway, and anybody who believes him should have his head examined twice. On the other hand, this is a year in which 200 is a magic number. This is, of course, the year of the great bicentennial of the publication of the Wealth of Nations, in 1776 on March the 9th. And we've all been thinking about the last 200 years. So that perhaps this is a good occasion to look at the next 200 years even if there isn't very much we can say about it, with any great degree of certainty. What I'm really interested in as I suggested in the title, is how do we move towards a sustainable society? Our existing society is not really sustainable. I think we're all aware of that. But then neither are you and I. We're sustainable in the short run, but it'll be extremely surprising if anybody in this room was still here 100 years from now. It will be devastatingly surprising if we're here 200 years from now. So obviously sustainability is always a matter of degree and of one's time perspective. And of course we expect societies to be more sustainable than individuals, and social systems last longer, like Iowa State University, which I have every reason to expect will be around long after I've disappeared and indeed after most of the people in this room have disappeared. On the other hand, we're interested, I think in sustainability, as long as we can, or at least up to a reasonable time. And sustainability requires production, simply because all systems have consumption. There's one fundamental law of the universe, which is the law of nothing rests. That everything, if left alone, goes from bad to worse. And that even if we are to sustain things, we have to produce in order to overcome the consumption which is an inevitable law of things. As I was telling the columnist this afternoon, the three factors of production are not what they think. That really production is a process by which we employ know-how or knowledge of some kind, whether this is genetic, in the case of the fertilized egg, or social, in the case of the blueprint. And this knowledge enables us to direct energy, you have to have energy, towards the selection and transportation and transformation of materials into whatever it is you're producing, to the product. If you look at my spectacles here, these are the product of 4 billion years of evolution on this planet. That is they could not be here today if we hadn't had an extraordinary process of biological evolution, starting with DNA, which is improbable enough, and culminating in Adam and Eve, which was even more improbable, or whatever their names were, and then going on into social evolution and the increase of knowledge until we got to the point where we knew how to make plastics, I think these are plastic. These spectacles could not have been produced, I suspect, when I was at Ames. Maybe they could, but certainly not 10 years earlier. Because we didn't know how to make them. That is, the knowledge structure hadn't risen to the point where these were possible. Then as I said this afternoon, if you say, \"Why were there no human beings 10 million years ago?\", the answer is exactly the same, He didn't know how to make them. That is the genetic structure of the world hadn't risen to the point where the human beings could be produced. So that if we're interested in sustainability, we have to look at these information processes. by and which we are able to produce things to overcome the decay, which is a universal rule of everything. As we see this in biology, shall we say, that is that I suspect, as I say, in 100 years, none of us will be here. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if this room is still here, this building looks as if it's built to last, doesn't it? And I wouldn't be surprised if there was a room full of people. And it's quite possible they'd be being lectured at. Very likely in English, but a completely different set of people. And this is because every time we fertilize an egg, we create biological potential, which replaces the potential which each of us here is using up, as we live from day to day and as we age. So it is this recreation of potential that constitutes the process by which sustainability is arrived at. Well now, sustainability is of two kinds. There's what you might call equilibrium sustainability. This is the sort of sustainability of the, what the biologists call the climactic ecosystem or the homeostasis of the human body. The kind of sustainability that is keeping us all here is about 98.4 degrees, of whatever it is, Fahrenheit, I refuse to use Centigrade, I think it's a French plot. And we have this kind of homeostasis of the body. There's a homeostasis of the thermostat, I'm sure in the building here, which is able to correct changes which would lead us away from sustainability. On the other hand, this equilibrium sustainability cannot be ultimately sustained, as we will not be ultimately sustained. And that the only sustainable sustainability, is what I would call evolutionary sustainability. This is this extraordinary process which has been going on well, I suppose, three and a half billion years at any rate on this planet, whereby the total structure of know-how persists and expands and even increases and is able to sustain itself over some quite extraordinary catastrophes and disasters. There's the first great catastrophe, was the, I suspect, the formation of the atmosphere that we now breathe, because as you know the oxygen in the air was formed as pollution by the first anaerobic forms of life. I suppose it killed them all off. But the evolutionary process, what you would call the genetic learning process, had enough momentum by that time to overcome this catastrophe and produce the air-breathing organisms which actually turned out to be much more successful. And that this is the one optimistic note of the evening, I think, that catastrophe can often be an extremely valuable factor in evolutionary sustainability. There's a lot of evidence, cumulating evidence, that we are at something of a turning point, in the history of the human race. That the source of sustainability that we've had, well certainly over the last 100 or 200 years, shall we say, may not continue, in fact, cannot continue for very long. That is we do not live in anything like an equilibrium system. Particularly in the rich countries. The poor countries are, in a sense, much more sustainable. That is if you just have water buffalo and you burn cow manure and so on, that is, the Indian village has had a kind of equilibrium sustainability for a long time, and it will probably continue to do so until the next Ice Age, which may happen in 100 years, we don't know. Or at least a thousand years or 10,000 years, which will certainly be the end of India, because that destroys the monsoon. But up to then at any rate, the Indian village has a great deal of sustainability and has had for a long time. Our own society does not have that kind of sustainability because it depends, as we all know, for it's energy input on fossil fuels and especially on oil and gas. That is almost certain to be gone in the lifetime of your students. This isn't something that is remote, although most people seem to think it is. I saw a survey recently in an obscure little village in Michigan called Grand Rapids, which suggested that everybody in Grand Rapids thought oil and gas was going to last for 500 years. They're quite wrong about that. Even at existing rates of consumption, if we're lucky and we find a lot of other sources, may go for 100 years. But certainly if the poor countries start to get richer, it will hardly last for 50 years. Yes, even at present rates of consumption and discovery. Now the developed society depends for its development and for its riches, on large energy throughputs. There is, as we know, a striking correlation, which certainly isn't 100%, between the energy input of a society, and its GNP per capita. This is very understandable because the production of goodies requires energy input, just in order to push things around in order to make them. While you can economize energy, you can do that only up to a point. That is, if the energy input of society is simple solar energy from agriculture, strong right arms and maybe water buffalo, it's not going to produce very much. The enormous outputs of our own society is a direct result of an incredible bit of luck we had in 1859, when we discovered oil and gas. And that's, as I've said, I think I said this last year, in fact, I'm afraid I'm repeating myself a bit, well, I'll tell you three time, it's true. That in 1859, we discovered this enormous treasure chest in the basement, which is oil and gas. Now, what do you do when you discover a treasure chest in the basement, you live it up, don't you? Rather like the delightful cartoon in the New Yorker, of the lawyer reading the will to evade the press, and the group of relations, and the will says, \"Being of good health and a sound mind, I blew it all.\" And this of course is what we're doing with our inheritance. Here, we came into an enormous inheritance in 1859, and we've been blowing it. Now of course, the Arabs put in a false bottom, OPEC did, and I'm very grateful to them for that because they made us think about things now, which perhaps we wouldn't have thought about until it was too late. So, we ought to be terribly grateful to the Arabs. But underneath the false bottom, we know there's a real one. And the real one, by most estimates, is something like 50 years off. So that's stage one, isn't it? So for the next 50 years, we go on living it up. And then, whammo! Or what? Now or what is the question. I happen to be on the Committee of the National Academy of Sciences on Nuclear and Alternative Forms of Energy. It's a very odd committee, I've never been on the National Academy of Sciences before, as one of my friends says, it isn't quite as bad as the Soviet Academy. It is a queer body but anyway, this has been very instructive and I found this very depressing actually, because when you look into this, all the alternative forms of energy seem to be either dangerous or expensive or fattening. And there really doesn't seem anything on the horizon that is as cheap and convenient. And even as non-polluting as oil and gas. You may think automobiles were polluting, but boy you should have grown up in Liverpool, . And I did, you see, so here is this unspeakably filthy city decorated with coal smoke and horse manure. And if you think there's an automobile as polluting, you should make better acquaintance with a horse, because there ain't nobody ever produced an effluent-free horse. Or even managed to put a converter on its rear end, you know. Out in the farm, this may not be so bad, but in the city, it's very difficult. And the coming of the automobile really reduced the pollution of the cities enormously. And also resulted in a tremendous decline in infant mortality. That is, the horse killed a hundred times as many people and children as the automobile did. See, just through infant diarrhea, in the summer produced by flies. And I suppose perhaps we could deal with that with little bags on the end or something, I don't know. At any rate, it's a problem. Certainly we have to go back to horses and I can tell you having driven them in Delhi, that elephants are worse. So it's a problem. What are the alternatives? Well, once we have the light water reactors, and the Canadians have the heavy water reactor, and the French have the breeder reactor, well the light water reactor isn't going to last longer than oil and gas. So there's uranium-235 doesn't really burn. And the light water reactor is just about the same life as oil and gas. That'll be all gone in 50 years. If we go to the breeder reactor, we can burn up the 238 a hundred times as much as that. So that expands the fuel supply. On the other hand, the breeder reactor is not only dangerous, it's very expensive. And at the moment, well, of course, if we'd done a proper accounting, we'd never have had nuclear energy. I mean, it's just ridiculously expensive. This idea that nuclear energy is cheap is absurd. I mean, even the light water reactor is barely commercially feasible. And the breeder reactor at moment is certainly not commercially feasible. No question about it. In the case of the breeder, there's an awful lot to be said for letting the French do it, like the Concorde. If you're going to have Edsels, you should let somebody else do it. They are showing a bit of sense about this, at least in regard to the SST, and we may show some sense about the breeder reactor. At least postpone it in the hope that we'll never have to use it, because it produces, as you know, large quantities of plutonium, it opens up the possibility of nuclear sabotage and of guerrilla nuclear weapons. And then, of course, is the problem of waste disposal we still haven't solved. The stuff's piling up before you know it. We've got plutonium blowing all over Denver. And it's very disagreeable, it's very dangerous. On the other hand, coal, which is the 150 year alternative, coal lasts for 150 years, it was probably more dangerous than nuclear. It is right now. Nuclear power plants up to now hardly killed anybody. We've had one or two, you know, chancy situations with candles, things like that. But coal kills probably 70,000 people a year now, between mining accidents and black lung and SO2. So that if we go to coal, we know this is, in the short run, I think the nuclear energy, I think this is clear, and yet all virtuous and don't worry about coal, nuclear as a symbol, you see, which all the virtuous can compare. We have coal, we've always had that. We've always lived with that, so we don't worry about that. But on the other hand, it is dangerous. Up to now, we haven't solved the problem of coal liquefaction. We know how to classify it, I grew up on coal gas, it stinks. And that's all right, we can go back to that, you see. Coal liquefaction really eludes us up to now. And as I say, there really doesn't need to be any real substitute for gasoline. Well, suppose gasoline suddenly comes to an end in 2020? This is quite a crisis, isn't it? First place, the air. All the airplanes are grounded. The air age comes to an end. It's very hard to visualize a coal-burning airplane. See them down there, shoveling away, you know. And underneath you, I don't think the automobile comes to an end. See, electric automobiles are no good, they're too expensive. And there's not enough lead, you see, for batteries. We're going to have run out of lead by 2020. So there won't be any electric automobiles unless we find a wholly new battery. Well, suppose we run out of gas, and this means we run out of agriculture, doesn't it? You see Iowa agriculture, technically, is dependent on gasoline for power and also for fertilizer. This will be a major crisis. So you will have to go back perhaps to 20% of the labor force in agriculture. If we have to go back to horses, horses are not only are not very strong, but they eat like crazy. And in 1900 or whatever it was, we devoted 25% of our land acreage just to feeding horses. We have to go back to that. This means that the human niche will shrink dramatically. So this expansion of the human niche has been a result of this inheritance of capital. Which will all be gone in your lifetime. I told you this was gonna be a depressing talk. The thing is when you were living on capital, as we have, and suddenly you have to live on income, you're poor. You know, because income is less than spending your capital, isn't it? And that means a drastic reduction in per capita income in the 21st century. Unless there are substitutes. Now I'm not saying it couldn't be. Okay well, let's look at it. Well fusion, yes, possibly. I understand, from my spies, we're only 10% of the way to fusion now. And it's difficult, the engineering problems of fusion are very severe. I was saying last time, I think, it's a bit like the alchemist in the Middle Ages who was looking for a universal solvent. Until somebody asked him, what would he keep it in? And he hadn't thought of that. And the nuclear, you know, fusion at 10 million degrees is a deplorably universal solvent. It's very hard to find anything to keep it in. But we may, we may. But then it looks expensive. We just don't know how dangerous it is. It's all right from the point of view of the products, it just produces tritium, which isn't as bad as plutonium. You can't make bombs out of it, yet, and it only has a half-life of what is 13 years or something, you see. So we'll just call it cap server, we have that now. And if we give up smoking, I'm sure that can offset tritium. So that looks all right, but then it looks expensive. And we don't know about these things blowing up you know. I mean, if you have the sun in your backyard, it's sounds a little dangerous to me, I don't know, it seems a little hard to control, isn't it? And if fission is chancy, fusion could be worse, couldn't it? So that's rather pressing. Well, there's all the odds and ends of wind, yes? 10% of our energy requirements could be met by windmills by 2020. Geothermal, maybe another 5%. Of course hydro we're practically at the end of, that's only 3% now. You see there's nothing much in that. Solar, that of course is the great white hope. On the other hand, solar also looks very expensive. The current technology as we had testimony on this from Mr. Lough who's the big guru of solar energy and I think knows more about it than anybody else. Well, he tells us that with a lot of capital investment we could perhaps have what we devote to space heating, solar energy. And that we devote 25% of our energy to space heating and we could save maybe half of that, which would be 12.5% by 2020. Whether it's solar collectors and insulation and even better, long wooly underwear. I mean, if you're prepared to go to the British system of central heating, which is a long wooly underwear, then we could save an enormous amount of energy. But you know it does tickle, no doubt about it, there are difficulties. And we are accustomed to these nice, easy houses and so on and it's really hard to go back, to 1890 on this. So I don't know, right now nuclear power plants are feasible. If the price of electricity rises six times, of what it is now. Now if you want to have your electricity bill six times what it is now, all right, you can have solar energy. Prepared to pay that? So now of course, we may have some great breakthrough on solar cells, or methane producing algae, I don't know what agriculture will come up with. Breeding things for energy instead of for food, I suppose talking about food really. But that's only a form of energy. I don't know, but it doesn't look very encouraging. That is in regard to anything that's cheap. So that it looks as if the price, the real price of energy is going to rise pretty steadily over the next 200 years. If you look at materials, it's also rather depressing because what do you do with materials? Well, you use up the cheap ones first don't you? So you go to worse and worse mines, and poorer and poorer sources. You can on doing that a long time but only with the constant rise and the price of materials. So it seems a high probability as if the real price of energy and the real resources we have to put into this, and the real price of materials is just going to rise and rise and rise. Now, to some extent this can be offset by increasing knowledge. See now in the last hundred years, neither energy or materials have been a significant limiting factor in economic development. The only limiting factor in economic development, really I would say in the last 200 years has been human knowledge. Because we've had this fantastic good luck, that with the increase in knowledge, we expanded our energy base and our materials base. But then how long can this go on? We don't really know. But we have to face a very real probability that we will now have rising costs of energy and materials. Whereas previously, we had falling costs of energy and materials, so that any increase in productivity and knowledge in technology, was reinforced by this. Now, any increase in knowledge will have to offset the rise in the price of energy and materials. So that it will be, well, in the last generation, as most of you know, we've about doubled per capita, real income in this country. It has been a golden age, otherwise this building wouldn't be here, would it? Now, it may be we're living in the twilight of a golden age, and that's a slightly uncomfortable feeling. Because, I will be extremely surprised if we double per capita real income in the next generation, the way we did in the last. Because of these things I've been talking about. Well, now, if we do go to a real crisis by 2020, I don't know, it all depends. I'm not predicting this, I'm not predicting anything. And if I did, you shouldn't believe me. But I'm suggesting that these are potential scenarios of by no means negligible probability. Well, how about a little more gloom? Let's look at agriculture as long as this is the first of the food lectures. We've had as you know, this incredible success in agriculture, in this country. From the point of view of labor, we've gone from about 90% of our labor force in agriculture 200 years ago, to about 50%, I think about 1890, wasn't it, something like that. Only 4% today. This has been the source of a good deal of our increase per capita income. That is your automobiles and your color TV sets. I'm very optimistic about the cities, provided that we can keep on with this sort of agriculture we have. Well, can we? Well, not if there's no substitute for oil and gas, obviously. In fact, even if we have an energy substitute there's no chemical substitutes in science. So this is the end of artificial fertilizers, isn't it? This will almost certainly mean a severe reduction in yields, unless we have something unforeseen. There's always a possibility of something unforeseen, this is quite probable. Then we also have this uneasiness about ecological instability of developed agriculture, especially of American agriculture. Anyone remembers Ireland and the dangers of the one crop economy. Now, we don't have a one crop economy but we're awfully close to having a three crop economy. And suppose in some year, in your lifetime, between now and 2020, we have a corn blight, like we had two, three, years ago. And the wheat rust, and a soy beetle, and a drought, the same year. We'd have to eat up all those cows, wouldn't we? We could really be in queer street, you see? And in a sense, American agriculture has been a race between the mutation and Iowa state. And up to now, Iowa state has won. We've always been three or four years ahead, you see, of the mutations. How long can we go on winning this race? The damn mutations go on all the time, they're relentless, absolutely relentless, they just go on and on and on, I suppose, I don't know, I'm not a biologist. I don't know, perhaps they may lose steam. They may have thought up all the pests they can think up. I don't know. But I'm pretty sure that there is some chance of losing this race. And that we've got to put a lot of money into a higher estate, haven't we. That's the one cheerful remark of this lecture. And keep up the good work, you see, because it's precarious. It's a very dynamic kind of system. And we do not have anything that looks like an ecological equilibrium, and that we could find ourselves in real queer street. Now, if we run out of it, we have to go back to horses and manure. This means we'd have to go back, I'm sure it's 25% for labor force in agriculture in the mid 21st century. And this means no automobiles. This may mean still color TV's, so we all have to stay home, look at TV, because we have electricity, we'll have power stations, all right, I think even if we have to burn coal. We'll do it, we'll pollute, as we used to say in Lancashire where I come from, \"Where there's muck, there's money\". And we may just pollute, or we may go to breeder reactors, or fusion, or something. I'm pretty sure we'll have electricity. But the electricity doesn't help much on the farm, does it really, once you get out in the field. I don't know, maybe you'd run a cable out, I don't know, perhaps you can. Perhaps you can have some trolleys, you know, electric trolleys running across the farm. You hitch up with this and drive your tractor with that. Well, there's something, I don't want to be too pessimistic. But none of it looks cheap. You see, that's the trouble, everything looks more expensive. Now there's the possibility that we've reached the peak of per capita real income, not only in the world but in this country and in the rich countries generally is something that can't quite be brushed off, and I hope I'm wrong. The other thing of course, is the gene pool. Some of my biological friends are worrying about that. That is the development of hybrids and all this, that undermines the gene pool of the world and where the disappearance of traditional agriculture and this tremendous variety, you see, and we are diminishing the variety of the gene pool, both culturally and biologically. This is dangerous. It's very dangerous to have one world. If you have one world and if anything goes wrong, everything goes wrong. Whereas with lots of worlds, you can have a catastrophe in one place, where you don't have a catastrophe everywhere. You remember the collapse of the Mayan empire. I mean, I've read about it. Well, that was one of the early club of Rome reports. You see the Mayan empire suffered from over ships. And it collapsed, I suspect, because of the ecological instability of a slash-and-burn agriculture. Under conditions of increasing population and the population of Tikal fell from about, I think, 8 million to 10,000. That's even worse than the fall of Rome. And it never recovered. Never. They never got it back. On the other hand, the collapse of the Mayan empire was quite unnoticed by Charlemagne, or by the emperor of China , they didn't know about it. So if we had many worlds and you could have a collapse in one part, without this affecting the other parts, because they were isolated. And then if you have sufficient isolated systems, and if one collapses, the others can recolonize it. Just as for instance, well, we know I've just come from San Francisco. I'm always glad to get out of the Bay Area, because we all know that in X years, San Francisco's going to be destroyed by the San Andreas Fault. And X is certainly less than 100, it's probably less than 25, I think. And the other hand, when San Francisco is destroyed, not if, when, we know it will be rebuilt. We know there'll be a great uprush of sympathy, and the federal government will declare a disaster area and it'll get billions in grants. And it'll all be rebuilt right in the same place, just like a flood plain, just like floods, you see, as is, after this place has washed away, I suppose it will be rebuilt. Or maybe you say rebuilt it on stilts or something. But, I don't know, you get a hundred year flood on Squaw Creek and I don't know what it'll do with this place. I mean, we do know what a hundred year flood will do in Boulder and its most disagreeable. And the 100 year flood has a 63% chance of happening in 100 years, but it has a 99.9995 chance of happening in 1,000 years. And that's not too long. You have to reckon with things like that. Well then the other, source of instability is the international system. We have an international system, in which the central system is based on nuclear deterrence. And this is very much like the San Andreas Fault. That is, it is stable in the short run, but it has a positive probability of breaking down. If it didn't, in fact, there's a very simple non-existence theorem about stable deterrents. If the deterrent were stable, it will cease to deter. And if the probability of the nuclear weapons going off was zero, they wouldn't deter anybody, would they? So there must be a positive probability of them going off. If there's a positive probability of them going off, if you wait long enough, they'll go off. Just like the hundred year flood. I suspect it's rather parallel. I suspect that the chance of nuclear war is about a hundred year flood, is probably about 1% per annum. And after a thousand years, that's a certainty. So that if the international system remains, it has not a probability, certainty of almost total disaster for the human race. And I don't know whether we could recover from a major nuclear war. In the light of energy shortages and material shortages, I doubt it. This could be the irretrievable disaster, just like the Mayan disaster. Only of course this would be on a world scale and would cover the whole temperate zone. I suppose maybe, an Indian village might survive it. But certainly I think, we wouldn't. That is something, I suppose we have to work at. Another source of non-sustainability is what I call the erosion of political legitimatizes. This is a very tricky question, the trouble is we don't know very much about this. Legitimacy, I've argued, is perhaps the major dynamic of the social system. In the sense, if you lose legitimacy, you're a dead duck, you can't really do anything. And I've lived through a number of declining legitimatizes, like empire, after all I grew up in the era of Rudyard Kipling, you know? And now of course the Rudyard's no longer kapil. In fact, I used to sing, what was it we used to sing when I was a boy, \"Wider still and wider may thy bounds be set, God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet\". Well, God had other ideas, about the British empire, certainly, you see. And I lived through the collapse of the legitimacy of empire when I was a young man, and of course the plain withdrawal from empire in the last 30 years. And now the only remaining empire is the Soviet Union and how long that will last, I don't know, I wouldn't give it more than 25 years. Because it's a hopeless anachronism, I mean, that is if Poland, why not Lithuania? I mean, there's no reason why Lithuania should be in the Soviet Union, if Poland isn't. And if Lithuania, why not, Latvia and Estonia and Georgia and Azerbaijan and the chuck chucks and the upchucks and the Kazakhs and all these other people, they say the Soviet Union is an Imperial monstrosity. And now the Portuguese have caught on, I expect the Russians will do. They're slow but within the next 50 years, I would suspect. On the other hand the decay of an ancient legitimacy, if there isn't a new legitimacy coming along, can be very dangerous, because there isn't anything to put in its place. And this is a great question mark, I would say, for the next 200 years, the national state seems to have an unshakeable legitimacy at the moment. But how long will it last? Very hard to say, and I just wouldn't make any, any predictions about it at all. I've certainly seen an enormous decay in the legitimacy of war. You can see this in the war songs. The First World War had all these marvelous war songs you know, we had, \"We don't want to lose you but we think you ought to go\", \"Back to Tipperary\", and all that you see, as far as the Second World War, didn't produce any war songs except maybe \"Lili Marlene\" and then the Vietnam war, produced nothing but anti-war songs. This is a very good indicator of legitimacy. Yes, it is. And I think there's a lot to be said for this, it still leaves a bit of a hole, in the system, that's maybe hard to fill. And then finally, we have the food problem. Now I should say something about this. I've said a little bit about in regard to developed agriculture, but that's a bit speculative. In the poor tropics, unfortunately, this is hardly speculative. And that the poor tropics, and particularly the overpopulated topics, are also not a sustainable system in their present form. I was looking at the figures the other day, and very much to my surprise, I found that Bangladesh, has almost exactly the same area as Iowa. I thought it was at least as big as Minnesota, but it's just as big as Iowa within a thousand square miles, as a matter of fact. Bangladesh has now 77 million people in it. And Iowa has 2.8. Now you put 77 million people into Iowa, it would look very much like Bangladesh, wouldn't it? Just imagine it, there you are, you see, I mean, the great farms would be gone, we'd have little peasant plots, everybody living on the edge of subsistence. Des Moines would look like Dakar. And that would be it wouldn't it. Well, by the year 2000, Bangladesh will have 150 million people, if it doesn't have risen the catastrophe first. And that it's hard to see how countries like Bangladesh, and large parts of India, say some parts of Africa, not all of it, and considerable parts of Latin America, they kind of void these catastrophes on a scale, which the human race has really never gone through before. We've had it on smaller scales all the time. And of course, the great example in our sort of history is the Irish Famine of 1846, that was the last great famine in the Western world. In which, population of Ireland was reduced from 8 million to four. 2 million people died, 2 million emigrated. That was only a little over 100 years ago. If this happens in Bangladesh or in India, 500 million people might starve to death, and this is something that is almost too horrible to contemplate. On the other hand we have to contemplate it. Sometimes you have to think about the unthinkable. And there is an agonizing possibility that this may happen. There is as you know, in economics, a dismal theorem, as I called it. If the only thing that can check the growth of the population is misery, the population will grow until it is miserable. And then there's the utterly dismal theorem, that says, that if the only thing that can check the growth of population is misery, then any improvement enables a larger population to live in misery. So any improvement increases the sum of human misery. Fortunately, there is a cheerful lamar to this, that if other things can check the growth of population, as on the whole, in the rich countries, there seems to be doing, particularly what Malthus called thrice, which is now very popular and is extremely effective for population control. Then of course you don't have to grow until you're miserable. Unfortunately it seems to be hard to instruct the tropical people's advice, so that the preventive checks, as Malthus called it are extraordinarily hard to apply. It's hard not to be a bit pessimistic about this, that it looks as if the very plausible scenario for the next 50 years of line 200 is that the rich countries will stay fairly rich, they may get a little poorer, but not much, because they have enormous resilience and reserves and so on, really. The poor countries will have an utter catastrophe, from which they may recover, one hopes. You see often, they may not really learn anything. The Irish learned a lot from 1846, 4 million Irish today, although it's rather grim solution, this is puritanism and late marriages. And of course, there was immigration, which is cheating because everybody can't do that. Now of course, there isn't anywhere much to go, there aren't any empty spaces left, a few little places, but not very much. So immigration isn't very practical. So that the probability just plain old starvation really, food disasters. In the poor countries it's extraordinary probable. How we can live through this and sustain a world society, sustain a world community, this is going to be one of the really snotty problems, isn't it? Well, if you're going to think about food and I'm no expert on food, I'm just laying a very large framework here, I mean the food Institute is going to have to work on these things, and I don't pretend to any expertise on this. On the other hand, I do know some things about it, that is we have to think of it as part of a larger system, for instance, and of an ultimately sustainable system, that's the trouble. We can't just think of it in terms of redistribution, for instance, we've all heard the one about we've solved the problem of production and all we have to do is to solve the problem of distribution. That's baloney, I'm afraid. In first place, the problem with distribution is insoluble and we haven't solved the problem of production. Yeah, it is on the mile, we will, distribute as little as we are doing, mainly to the rich Russians. If the real crunch comes, we're not going to be able to do very much. And then of course, you get the agonizing question, \"Should you?\" This is Garrett Hardin and the lifeboat ethic. If a system is not sustainable, should you try to sustain it? And if you do, then it may be worse next time. Suppose we have a famine in Bangladesh and we divert some of our extra food to them. And we keep all these people alive. And then 10 years from then, there are 20 million more people and there's a worst famine and more people die. That's something one just has to think about. That is you cannot think about world problems in terms of simple, what they call commensalism, I've had big arguments with my wife about this because she's fundamentally a commensal-ist. If I may say so, earnest and intelligent women tend to be. Because they think of the world as a household, and here's mother dishing out the potatoes around the table, that's the distribution and there's enough potatoes for everybody, so you just dish them out. And if anybody's hungry, you dish out more potatoes. Unfortunately, as Malthus says, suppose there's no place at the table. Suppose you dish out potatoes to one child, only there's five children there next time. And no more potatoes, then what, you see? You have to think in terms of ethical sustainability. It's very unpleasant. And while I think the lifeboat image, is an unfortunate one, because if you throw people out, you won't care as hard and I'm sure the lifeboat ethic, is that we only have food for 20 people to reach shore and there's 40 people in the lifeboat, of the people, who do you throw out? You see if everybody stays in the lifeboat, nobody survives. If you throw some people out, the rest will survive, that's the most extreme case now, actually, I don't think it's quite as bad as that. I think of it in terms of the mesa, really, I think of the world as a mesa. Like we have in the West, you know the plateau with the cliffs all round it. And the rich are in the middle of the mesa, that's us, poor are on the edge. As the rich, are pretty good at staying rich, and they build a fence around them and they don't let the poor in, and the poor grow and grow and grow and grow. They fall over the edge. Rich don't fall over the edge as they are in the middle. And then the question is, how do you build fences around the edge? That's one problem. That's the international system, of lubricating the earthquake faults and things of that sort. And then how do you control the population of the poor? I mean that has to be done, otherwise they will push each other over the edge. And we're a long way from this. We don't have the devices and techniques for this. The other thing is we just can't go on assuming we can produce food with exhaustible resources as is what we're doing now. And we have to face the possibility of very, quite drastic reductions in world food supply when oil gives out. If there isn't any substitute, as I've been suggesting. And of course as we say, we can't simply feed, redistribute to an ever expanding population, right? We just have to think in terms of a sustainable systems, and a sustainable system has to be seen as a whole. And now, what we're looking for obviously is evolutionary sustainability. We're looking beyond the next 200 years, towards a sustainable, more sustainable society than we have now. I don't think total sustainability is ever feasible, but you can have evolutionary sustainability in the sense, evolutionary sustainability is when you learn from catastrophes. And you increase the knowledge stock to the point where you can handle the ongoing system of the world. That's a large order. I'm not sure that we've had it for the last three and a half billion years. It is not wholly inconceivable that we're at the end of this, that the whole experiment on earth will come to an end. As you know, it isn't impossible. It's really surprised me, it hasn't come to an end long ago, you know? I mean, when you, when you think of the precariousness of life, well, why didn't the whole thing come to an end with oxygen. Why didn't it come to the end with the ice ages, all we have to have is an ice age that goes to the equator, and \"scootch\", and we're out You see, that's it, isn't it? And that life can only be sustained in a fantastically narrow range of temperature, and pressure, and the water, and the materials and what have you, you see, it's astonishing we've lasted so long. But on the other hand, if we've lasted so long, there seems to be something going for us, and maybe we'll last a little longer. And I'm fairly optimistic about evolutionary sustainability. I think we're going to survive the next 200 years. And hopefully we're going to learn from it. And that this places, an enormous responsibility on the universities, which are as it were, the focus, of what should we say, advanced human learning. I don't say that folk aren't going to help in this. And a certain amount of folk knowledge is surprisingly sustainable. And the universities had better learn it as matter of fact, I mean one of the things that we don't do in universities is to learn from people who aren't in universities, except the anthropologists do a bit of that. I'd put an awful lot of anthropologists in your Institute, because these are the people who learn about what university people don't know. I remember once when I was in Jamaica, I visited a farmer up in the mountains who was farming five different layers, I think, from the ground to the treetops. And we sat on his little porch and he turned to me and he said, \"Well, you're a professor. You know some things that I don't, but I know some things that you don't,\" And he sure did. I didn't know how to farm five different levels, in fact I couldn't have farmed one of them. And he was so right, there is something in folk knowledge which we need to study very carefully and not be sniffy about, even though some of it's wrong, but the sudden tendency for folk knowledge to be right, simply because it's easily tested. And if it's wrong, you find out pretty soon. If you think something is not poisonous and it is, somebody finds out. And so there is a great deal in the folk knowledge we need to learn and de codify. Then we have to find out something about the tropics. What you need here is a school of tropical agriculture. Perhaps almost more important to have it here than in the tropics. Like we had one in Liverpool. Because science is a temperate zone subculture. And it knows very little about the tropics, really. The temperate zone ecosystems are less vulnerable than the tropics, simply because they've had to put up with more. If you can stand a winter in North Dakota, you can stand the Army Corps of Engineers. They're not much worse. See if it was in the tropics, the Army Corps of Engineers or whatever the equivalent, is going to be an utter disaster because they've never had a winter. And if you've never had a winter it's hard to stand up to agricultural engineers. That could really muck things up if you aren't careful. We need to know a great deal more about that, I would say this, I would put this high on your priorities. Folk knowledge and tropical knowledge because it's in the tropics that the catastrophes are likely to occur. And the, well I don't know. I don't know, I suppose I'd rather leave the fate of the world in the hands of Iowa state than anywhere else. Who else can be entrusted with it? It's rather an awesome responsibility. I mean, the things that go on here in the next 50 years, may determine the fate of the human race. It's a solemn thought really. I'll leave the solemn thought with you.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much Dr. Boulding, now, Dr. Boulding will entertain a few questions. We have some time here. Does anybody have a question they'd like to raise? Surely you didn't answer all the problems. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Well, the question is when are we going to desalt the water to make the deserts bloom. The answer is when we get a cheaper source of energy than we have now. That seems very improbable. Really, I think this is probably, it depends, now there are these very interesting experiments in kind of saltwater greenhouses, down in Mexico or somewhere. That looked rather promising, you see where you evaporate the salt water onto the roof of the greenhouse and it kind of trickles down on the plants. The greenhouses are expensive too. You see, everything you would do looks expensive. And there isn't anything as cheap as good old iron ore topsoil. You know, it's so cheap, iron ore is so cheap, you can't beat it. But there isn't much of it left. I mean, any expansion, you see, any technological expansion into the deserts, is more expensive. Now, I don't say it's impossible. And I must say I'm enormously in favor of a larger search program in this, but I think we'd have to be a little careful about it. Simply because the energy requirements for de-salting water are heavy. Now as I say, the only practical thing I can see, is greenhouses with solar energy which is quite feasible, but again, expensive. And the other thing perhaps would be fusion, we have enormous fusion plants that can apply the energy to de-salt the water, maybe that's fine. But then that's for the future, we don't have it now. Certainly without existing, we're going to run, I'm sure we're going to run into increasing electrical shortages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119711#t=0.0,3876.72"}]}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - 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conditioners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=15.303,16.65"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it wasn't gonna be anything","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=16.65,17.67"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to spare of a desalinization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=17.67,21.3"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the end of the line somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=21.3,22.91"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I wouldn't be too optimistic about this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=22.91,25.193"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=26.19,27.023"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e In 1959, we didn't know about this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=28.576,32.485"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e That's 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things","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=35.014,36.271"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but you haven't told us about the treasure chest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=36.271,38.602"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the basement that nobody is...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=38.602,40.289"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=40.289,41.247"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, I haven't because...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=41.247,42.248"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Something may be discovered in 25 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=42.248,44.249"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=44.249,45.119"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I will.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=45.119,45.952"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I sure hope so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=47.54,48.803"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"See, that's why I say you don't have to believe this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=50.19,52.17"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On the other hand, how likely are 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so...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=62.61,66.16"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it'll be expensive and there wouldn't be much of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=67.09,70.66"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712/transcript/30791/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now on the other hand, if we'd had 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Certainly without existing, we're going to run. I'm sure we're going to run into increasing electrical shortages. We're going to need all the electricity to cut just to run our air conditioners. And it wasn't gonna be anything to spare of a desalinization. That's the end of the line somewhere. So I wouldn't be too optimistic about this. Yes.\r\n\r\n- In 1959, we didn't know about this.\r\n\r\n- That's right. No.\r\n\r\n- You told us about a lot of things but you haven't told us about the treasure chest in the basement that nobody is...\r\n\r\n- That's right. Of course, I haven't because...\r\n\r\n- Something may be discovered in 25 years.\r\n\r\n- That's right. I will. I sure hope so. See, that's why I say you don't have to believe this. On the other hand, how likely are we to be lucky twice in a row? There's not really, not all that practical. At least it just takes about a hundred square miles of forest feet, so... So it'll be expensive and there wouldn't be much of it. Now on the other hand, if we'd had coal, but no... We would have had electricity. We'd have had radio and I'm sure we'd have had television. I'd be a little surprised if we had the airplane. We certainly wouldn't have had the automobile. We wouldn't have had the suburbs. We wouldn't have had X Serbia. We'd be living in slums. It'd be, we'd be using street cars, electric street cars. The world looked very much like Liverpool, dead in 1890, before I was born. Actually, I came along a little later than that. I grew up in the modern world. I mean, I grew up with automobiles and electric light and radios and movies and all that. I haven't seen much technical change, you know, compared to my grandfather, Mr. Tufler was out of his mind. I mean, we're not suffering from future. We're suffering from present slow down. And it hasn't been any major change in the American home now for 20 years, you know, and that extraordinary stable kind of stagnant society in a sense and technologically and that... But it's interesting to speculate this because what the world would have looked like if there hadn't been any earlier gas. Maybe what the world looked like in 2100 and see, after it's gone... Yes. Yes. Yes. That's... That's worrying, isn't it. You see the automobile is a great equalizer. As the automobile has created a society of 90% Knights because an automobile you see has a suit of armor with 200 officers inside, big enough to make love in. And that's why it's very popular. And if we go to public transportation, if you go to street cars and cottages, this means going back to aristocracy, middle-class suddenly become poor, don't they. You see, it's only peasants who ride public transportation and forget that. And the Knights who arrived in the remaining, all the horses and carriages, whatever they are, all the electric automobiles. If they're electrical cars, they're going to be very expensive. Not for everybody, you see. This is very worrying. I'm very worried about this because you see what we have in this country. We have no skills, whatever in redistribution. No political skills, as it has been no redistribution, no proportionate redistribution of income in this country since Calvin Coolidge. He was the last president who helped the poor. And that's a social democracy is how you sell your subsidize the rich in the name of subsidizing the poor. That's what the democratic party stands for. And that they, as far as I can see, you see, there's been no redistribution in this country. We've all got twice as much. We see the poor has got twice as much and the middle class has got twice as much. And the rest got twice as much in the last 30 years. That's how we managed to have the amount of poverty just by the progress for everybody getting place to stretch. This is nice. But then if we aren't going to get any richer then the only ways to diminish poverty is by real redistribution and in a democratic society this is surprisingly difficult as Mr. McGovern discovered. And everybody is under an illusion. It is above the median. So that he'll be redistributed away from. You see that is in that, we just haven't really legitimated redistribution in this country very much. No country has actually. I mean, that is except maybe China. That's, I think a very high social cost but even the Russians outside of the distribution of income and the socialist countries outside about the top 1000 was almost the same as it says in the capitalist countries, you see. So there's extraordinary. It's extremely hard to register to... that. Equality is extraordinarily unstable. That is the, there seems to be a kind of crazy equilibrium of inequality which is puzzling. I mean, it's complicated. It's got something to do with inheritance and it's got something to do with political illusions but it's very difficult and I worry about this being very patched because it could easily, you see, it is the burdens of shrinking. These all very well to talk about no growth from that which, you know, we may get without whether we want it or not. So yeah, it is. But the burden of this is all too likely to fall on the bottom 50%. You see how it is because the elders, the STS made a very great discovery in the sixties. They discovered that the powerful have power and having discovered that they proceeded to disintegrate because after you've discovered that, there's nothing else you can do. You see, that is, it becomes absolutely worthless. I mean, it is. And there's a deplorable amount of truth in this. And the powerful tends to retain power. It is an old revolutions are palace revolutions. I mean, that was certainly true of the Russian revolution. It's a revolution within the upper class. You see, that is. No revolution can produce a fastest society because it's a form of internal conquest. And I think this'll turn out to be true in China. I suspect in spite of the, you know, the cultural evolution and all that, to say it does because there are certain instabilities in society that are extraordinarily hard to overcome. However deplorable as it may be. I think it says, well, the deplorable. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- If you do this as some sort of application of...\r\n\r\n- Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n- How do you deal with what might be considered countered for us to that, if you call it a mythological?\r\n\r\n- I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. It's a fabulous...\r\n\r\n- Remarks about the role of the newest ideas.\r\n\r\n- Yes. That's right, that's right. Yes, that's right. That's right, yeah. Well, knowledge recreates potential. I think that's true. But then there are limits to that thumb salt. You see, which are very... We really don't understand as we, we can't obviously we cannot say where are the limits to human knowledge lie. Obviously because we're a long way forward still. On the other hand, we can't deny that they must exist. You see, it is the capacity of the human nervous system is very large, but it's not infinite. And there's hands that must be limits to human knowledge. Now it may be before we reach these, we will have produce our evolutionary success. So I don't know, I sometimes have a creepy feeling that the function of the human race is the transition from liquid intelligence to solid. And that'll be the end of us. I mean, creepy thoughts really. And if we produce our evolutionary success, I won't like him, you know, because I do have a lot of race prejudice about the human race. On the other hand, you see, we do have to face the fact that no system is ultimately sustainable. I mean, that is no... I don't know what the biologists here shown or what the average length of life of a species is. But I think over the evolutionary story, it's certainly the older 10 million years, it's quite small. We're seeing the world. I mean, the human race has only been going for half a million or whatever it is. If I put it back, you see. It was 10 million years, I've got long time to go. Yeah, it is. But on the other hand, we speed things up a lot and social evolution isn't faster than biological evolution. So it could very well be that the human race only has a few thousand years to go. I don't know. I mean, maybe only a few hundred. I mean, that is, but on the other hand, the process of evolution might survive out extinction. See, particularly if we produce, if we do produce produce self reproducing solid state, Turing machines, you see. This is not quite absurd, you see That's the tougher one.\r\n\r\n- Sir, one more question...\r\n\r\n- Yes. Can the economy cope with these disasters better for that? They had a better feedback system. It depends what feedback system is, isn't it? So, yeah, it is. I wouldn't say there's a... I wouldn't say there's a non-existence about the successful operation of a planned economy. On the other hand, I, as you know, I do think it's highly likely to have very poor feedback and that the thing I'm looking for, of course, there's something which is much more complex then a planned economy. You see, it is a... Well you see the analogy from biological evolution. It is an individual, there's a planned economy. You and I are planned economies. We were planned by a fertilized egg. On the other hand, the ecosystem is not. And she had his life that not for juice, only one thing she has, it produced a competitive system. You see that is that, ecology is capitalism. Isn't it? You see and on the whole, you see the biological system is socialist in the individual and capitalist in the society. You might say. Right now, I don't want to push that too far. For say like, you know, I can drop certain analogies, but on the other hand, it is a... It isn't quite an absurd analogy, you see. It is because the large scale organization do suffer from this economies of scale, which are hard to overcome. And this is the trouble with the planned economies. You see that they are dinosaurs. It wouldn't be so bad if there were mice or human beings, you see. Where they are dinosaurs and that the valge of the organization, the harder it is to organize it successfully. Now this isn't to say, I don't say it's impossible. I would say with where the... This thing, organizational technique, the Soviet union is really almost as absurd as General Motors. You see that in fact, the Soviet union is such General Motors, isn't it. You see, that's well planned economy is. Planned economy is a one firm state. Those if General Motors to cover the whole American economy, we'd have something like the Soviet Union. The ideology might be different but the structure would be the same. You see an ideology doesn't make much difference really because, as you know, structure determines visual behavior much more than ideology does. So, as I say, I'm very skeptical about planned economies. Except on a very small scale. You see, I think small countries have a better chance of getting away with it than large ones, really. On the whole, this is true that the... With the exception of China, which is an exception to all rules, certainly because it's on the moon, you know, it belongs to another stream of human history. I mean, it's the sacrament stream, really. And so it is very hard to generalize from China but that the, but I would say outside of China and the socialist, will by and large, as a smaller socialist countries do better than the big ones when it comes to feedback and sensitivity and planning. And this the only socialist country I'd want to live in, I think, would be Yugoslavia. You see, it has a lot of capitalists rotors. You see it is enriched. It does to stomach centralize on decentralization and the markets and all that you see and even the kind of very rudimentary capital market. So it is as an enormous amount to reset for the market. The thing is, you see, if you make everything public and after... Either you have to agree or you have to be bullied. Now, the great virtue of capitalism as you don't have to agree. You see, as a great virtue of the market as that disagreement actually is good for everybody. Whereas in a planned economy, disagreement is impossible. So it, so this is why I think planned economies almost inevitably lead to tyranny as historically they have, you see. I see... Maybe relatively benign, even it's tyranny. Nonetheless, in the sense that it's an exercise of arbitrary power and that I don't really see how any planned economy can avoid alienation of the individual on a scale which makes capitalist alienation look like a Sunday school. You see, one has to think about these things, you see. And they, and really the socialists haven't thought about them very much. I think one of the distressing things about the past hundred years has been the sterility of socialist thought and the fact that really they they become kind of fundamentalist to see it is not... Not really creative and their political thinking with the... Again, with the possible exception of China, which I say it's an exception to every rule. And I would say that China is about as much as Leninist as much as the United States is Christian.\r\n\r\n- Before we adjourn, I would like to say, there's going to be a social period outside the door to the right. And you all get a chance to visit with Dr. Bolding for a little bit. It's obvious Dr. Bolding from the interest here that you raised a lot of good questions. Your lecture is not only the first of our series but I'm sure the best in our series of lectures for the World Food Institute. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/46589/file/119712#t=0.0,994.416"}]}]}]}