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Some of you may well want to escape . Since we've changed the title, or at least change the title, from what you expected it to be. What I have wanted to do is to use certain diseases that I've been interested in as examples, of the methods of the disease detective and of the medical epidemiologist. And that may not be as interesting to you, or at least to some of you, as maybe sticking with some of those disease topics. So don't mind or I won't mind, if you decide you would like to slip out at some point. I'm flattered that so many of you came, with respect to several barriers. Whether obviously a rather abstract title and my name. If I saw this on a program, I don't think I'd come. Particularly if you knew that when I was at CDC, I somehow got teamed with several people, as epidemiologic lecturers. One's name was John Boring. And the other one was Dr. John Witty. And we were always introduced by saying, \"Your lectures for the day are Dull, Boring, and Di Witty.\" And people sometimes found that might well be true. I'd like to clear the air, just a little bit more with some housekeeping. Are there any medical epidemiologists here? I think there's somebody who's an epidemiologist. Well, at least leaning in that area. Any medical detectives or any police detectives? Good, any forensic pathologists or any bio statistician. It's always useful to make sure one understands the specialties in the audience. I don't want anybody to have any expectations, of overly erudite methodologic descriptions. Because what I want to do is to give you, kind of a ground level view of epidemiology. What makes it work? What it is, how it's applied to diseases, why disease detectives, seem to be getting more and more press these days. And I don't want to be committed, to somebody's expectations before I start. Not that I'm anti-expectation, but I think that in any scientific field, to lay on an intellectual process, the need for an expected outcome, is very much to defeat what science and scientific methodology stand for. I have a favorite example, which is a true one, some years ago in a Midwestern College, there was a dispute between a professor and a student, over how an examination question was answered. The student believed, he should have gotten the perfect score, the professor was intending to give him a zero. The professor called an arbitrator, a fellow faculty member and said, what should I do? The faculty members suggested that, that particular question be given again, to see if the student could do any better. The question was, show how it's possible to determine the height of a tall building, with the aid of a barometer. And the student wrote, take the barometer, to the top of the tall building attach a long rope to it, lower the barometer to the ground bring it back up, measure the rope and you've got the height of the building. Which certainly did answer the question. But the student agreed to try it again, with a six minute limit and sat for five minutes kind of thinking about it, and then wrote down the answer in the last minute. The professor said, \"Well I see you were having a little trouble.\" And the students said, \"No, not really. I was trying to decide which of the alternatives, was the best one.\" And he said, well what did you select? And he said, \"Well, this time I'll take the barometer to the top of the building. And I'll also take with me a very accurate stopwatch and I'll drop the barometer, and when it hits the ground I'll record the time and using the formula for acceleration of falling bodies, 1/2gt square, I will compute the height of the building.\" And the professor said, \"Well, what were your other thoughts?\" And the students said, \"Well one other thing one could do would be a very simple one while you merely wait for a sunny day you take the barometer outside, you stand it up. You measure your shadow, you measure the shadow of the tall building. And by simple ratio, you can get the height of the building or you can take the barometer up to the top of the building and swing it like a pendulum. And theoretically if you can compute, the gravitational force there and at the street level, by comparison, one could work out the height of the building. But probably the best of all, or the second best would be, to take the barometer into the stairwell, walk up the steps and mark the barometer height successively and you'd have the height in barometer units. Or you could finally take it, to the superintendent of the building and say to him, if you tell me the height, of this tall building, I'll give you this fine barometer.\" Well, the professor said, \"Do you know the conventional answer?\" And the student said, \"Of course but throughout our work here, you have tried to teach us the scientific method. And then you expect us to give you the conventional answer. When what you've tried to teach us, is how to think about the process, not what to think about it.\" And to me, epidemiology and the scientific processes, that go into that specialty are defeated. If one uses some expectation of outcome. Well, with respect to the title, what I was going call this talk, was here come the disease detectives, so stand back Inspector Clouseau. Or I was going to call it, Sherlock Holmes meets The Andromeda Strain but my friends told me I was probably too frivolous and I should stick with something else. And unfortunately the one someone chose, didn't quite give you the full story. But I'm not totally distressed with the, relationships of serendipity, as they smile on Clouseau or the intense deductive skills of Mr. Holmes, in solving scientific problems. Louis Pasteur in talking about luck, or lashons said that, \"So far as observation is concerned or the observational fields, chance or luck, favor the minds, that are prepared essentially, to receive observational information.\" Well let me try to introduce you, or those of you who are not familiar with epidemiology, to the field, it's scope, it's general, and very rapidly growing role in health, and other medical activities. And in order to build on what we already know, I thought I would do some parallels for us between the sciences of criminology and of epidemiology. Which share not only methodology, but they share a number of interesting symbols, approaches, even vocabulary. Obviously crime mystery investigations, have always been important to people. And since fiction is one of the best reflectors, of human interests, I've chosen to use a fictionalized account of criminology, as that side of the parallel. And to use my own experience in epidemiology, as that part of it. I guess what we'll do is to build a lexicon, of criminology and of epidemiology. To see how the two methodologies relate and how they're different. And once we've gotten some handle or handles, on the methods and the vocabulary. Let me tell you the case of the four cities, as an example of the way these methodologies can work, then I'll stop. And then you can ask questions or make comments. And we can talk about any of these other things that you'd like to know something about. If I can't answer directly, I'll answer as far as I can. And maybe we can find people in the audience, who can add to what we want to talk about. First, a very, very, brief history of the detective story. Although there've always been detectives, it came a point when detectives became professionals, we can think of King Oedipus, who was among one of the early detectives or we can think of the Fox in Aesop's Fables, who decided not to go into the den, because he's all the footprints going in, but very few coming out. But it wasn't until there was an expectation, and in this case, I think it's justified term for an organized and systematic, predictable, competent person who had the responsibility, to do criminology or police detectives. Until there was a police force, It was hardly a chance for that to be a true detective. And in fiction, it was... As some of you may know, Edgar Allen Poe, writing in the first part, of the 19th century who created, the first, detective mystery story. And created the first, professional fictional detective, in C. Auguste Dupin, who in \"The Murders in the Rue Morgue\" solved the problems which the police, always kind of bungling things in the fictional accounts, couldn't begin to solve. And Mr Dupin, is a rather prototypic detective, who is described in the following sort of way. In the introduction to the book, the writer who is always an observer of these detectives, whether it be Dupin or Sherlock Holmes, organizes our thinking and says, \"As the strong man, exalts in his physical ability, the lighting in such exercises, has called his muscles into action. So gloriously analyst in that moral activity, which disentangles, the faculty of resolution, is possibly much invigorated by mathematical study, and especially by that highest branch of it, which unjustly and merely on account, of its retrograde operation, has been called is it per excellence analysis.\" Keywords, analysis, resolution, observation and goes on to describe later in the story, Dupin himself saying, \"He makes in silence a host of observations and inferences.\" So perhaps to his companions, and the difference in the extent of the information, obtained lies not so much in the validity of the inference, as in the quality of the observation. The necessary knowledge is that of what to observe. Wasn't too much later that Conan Doyle, put together possibly somewhat derived from Dupin, Sherlock Holmes who obviously is the, quintessence of the deductive genius. Conan Doyle was, as some of you know a physician, trained by a professor, Joseph Bell in Edinburgh. And Joseph Bell was a diagnostic wonder, and much like Sherlock Holmes, who is derived also in part from Bell, Conan Doyle's professor. The professor could watch a patient come into the room, could make a number of observations about occupation, a state of health, of course a variety of things which Holmes, then portrays in the stories which Conan Doyle, wrote about him. And one very quick quotation, just to sort of remind you, of some of Holmes, marvelous abilities. In his first story about Sherlock Holmes, where the detective is first introduced to us, a story called \"A Study in Scarlet\". John Watson the physician who is the essentially scribe, or describer of Holmes 'activities, happens to be reading an article which Holmes wrote, an article called \"The book of life\". And in the article, although Watson disagrees, with what Holmes is saying. Holmes says the following, \"From a drop of water, a logician should infer the possibility, of an Atlantic or a Niagara, without having seen, or heard of one or the other. So all life is a great chain. The nature of which is known whenever, we were shown a single link of it. Like all other arts, the science of deduction, and analysis is one which can only be acquired by long, and patient study. Nor is life long enough to allow any mortal, to attain the highest possible perfection in it. Before turning to those moral and mental aspects, of the matter, which present the greatest difficulties. Let the enquirer begin by mastering, more elementary problems. Let him on meeting a fellow mortal, learn at a glance to distinguish the history of the man, to trade a profession, to which he belongs. Poe Allen, such an exercise, may seem it sharpens the faculties, of observation and teaches one, where to look and what to look for.\" When Poe is describing Dupin's processes. he gave it a wonderful 19th century word, which was the word dominating the whole concept of fictionalized mysteries until the 1930s. And that word, if we can have the projector on, is the one I think we should start with. Because it's really the word that underlies, the methods of epidemiology and of criminology. Sorry, went the wrong way, let's try it again. Yeah, great word Pronounced ratiocination and it means deductive reasoning or rational thinking. And the tales of ratiocination, where the detective stories at the end of the 19th century, and the early part of the 20th. Unfortunately there's no Poe writing, about a medical detective. It's creating for us the same literary illusions, that Dupin or Sherlock Holmes have created. So we're gonna do our best, for those of you who are medically historians, let me remind you that Hippocratic, is not only was the father of clinical medicine, but also the father of epidemiology. He wrote several treatises on epidemics, and was very much aware of the influence, of the epidemic spread of disease, of the importance of the environment, whether it'd be the biological environment, or the physical environment, on the conditions of health. Let's move on. Criminology has it's scientific counterpart, in a concept called criminalistics, which are such things as ballistics, the use of laboratory processes for determining bloodstains, fingerprinting, all that kind of thing. And on the other hand, we see here Sherlock Holmes, using some of the criminalogic methods. His criminalistics, were not as extensive as they are today. And generally we're a hand lens, and a few other devices for detecting clues. But in epidemiology, the underlined scientific discipline is biostatistics. Which gives to epidemiology a level of precision and the opportunity for comparisons, which are not available in many other sciences that deal with people. Let's look at the word epidemiology for just a minute, epi demos logos, on the people or the study of something going on, in the people. As opposed to individual patient care. Epidemiology is the study of conditions that affect people, as a biological entity, a group, a population. And therefore in comparing one experience in one group, with a comparable experience in another group, one may need to use biostatistical measures, of comparability or difference. Biostatistics has become essentially the key, and fundamental science of epidemiology. And here are a few of the tools, that the epidemiologist uses. Unlike the lens that Sherlock Holmes had. Here's some computer tape, calculating equipment, pads of paper, doing much the same thing, looking for clues, looking for evidence, but looking for it in a different way, perhaps and using some of the data, in a slightly different ways, we'll see. If we apply some kind of skeleton or outline of what I've here called scientific procedure, to criminology and epidemiology. There is a core of direct compare ability, in words that I've pulled out of my own experience. And out of a lot of other epidemiologists and fictionalized criminologists suggestions, about how crime and how epidemics might be studied. First of all, one has to verify that in fact, there has been a crime. Is it death, a murder, is it suicide, is it of natural causes? Is an epidemic in fact, an epidemic of one disease? Is it circumstantial? Verification, investigation, looking for clues, looking for material facts, with which one can create an analytical process, develop a hypothesis, deducing such from evidence or from other information, confirming that in fact the hypothesis is correct, and then doing something about it. Applying to these two fields, other words that may have some meaning to all of us. We obviously are analyzing a crime, as I said, I'm sorry, we're verifying crime, we're verifying epidemic. And we're doing it in a way which allows me, to introduce you to a few other words, that I think some of you will recognize. The process by which detectives get information, usually requires a little bit of moving around. Detectives do it, are known as gum shoes, because when they move around to get information, look for clues they do it very quietly. They don't want to arouse any suspicions, but on the other hand, epidemiologists, don't really mind being noticed. In fact, they wear their shoes out. They're known as shoe-leather epidemiologists, because one of the famous 20th century epidemiologists, Dr. Wade Hampton Frost, epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins, coined the phrase shoe-leather epidemiology, just to make the point, that unlike an armchair detective or an armchair epidemiologist, one had to get out, knock on doors, collect information that could be used, in this process of investigation, analysis and the rest. In fact, one of the symbols of epidemiologists in the United States and now growing, into other parts of the world is a pair of shoes, where one of the soles has a hole in it. But to go back to our chart, the gum shoes or they shoe-leather epidemiologists, are out on the one hand looking for clues, and on the other, looking for cases, a very important difference. To the epidemiologist, the case is the basic unit of his study. Are these cases of the same condition? Is there a definition of a case, that satisfies all that are being seen in the epidemic? How can the cases be put together? How can they be described? By age, sex, geography, conditions of potential exposure, occupation, the kinds of things that Sherlock Holmes, would automatically see or that his professor Joseph Bell, would have taught him to look for. The detective, puts his clues together, tries to come out with a comparability in crimes. If he had several to look at, something he calls his a modus operandi. On the other hand the epidemiologist, puts together his information into something called, a case definition, CD. But there's a direct parallel between the two, they both use the same step. They both take their clues or their cases, once they refined them and describe them, and put them together into a pattern. Now, the epidemiologist in putting his cases together, puts them together on a time axis, because an epidemic usually begins, builds up to a peak and then dies out naturally. If there's a way to intervene, the epidemic may be truncated a little bit sooner, than otherwise. But in any event... And here's why I don't think that serendipity, or good luck is so foreign to epidemiologic study. It's well known that by the time an epidemic, is evident enough to the population, evident enough to call a specialist. The epidemiologist may arrive in time, to ride the glory, as they say on the down swing of the curve. And thus, this particular imagery, has also become very popular among epidemiologist. What the detective analyzes, results in something called evidence, what the epidemiologist analyzes often result in data, which somehow sound a bit more scientific. But particularly in rates, rates which are statistically describable, comparable or not. And as I mentioned, biostatistics, being the fundamental science of epidemiology rates, of occurrence of disease in populations, turn out to be the bread and butter, of the epidemiologic analysis. Now, the disease detective is looking for, I'm sorry. The police detective is looking for his criminal, his perpetrator as they now say. Because crime derives from a word crimne or crimin, which really means, the accused or to accuse. Police, detective work is oriented primarily, toward the person or the agent agency, which brought about the crime. On the other hand, the disease detective, is interested not so much in the person or the agency, but rather in the aetiology, the causitive agent, if you will. A biological agent, a germ or some environmental one but the aetiology, the cause of the disease of the epidemic. The deduction from evidence in one case is who and why? Very different from what the epidemiologist looks for. Motive is very important to the police detective, with the epidemiologist, the question is what did it, and how did it happen? This may be one of the key differences, between the two scientific specialties. The police detective and the disease detective, both use a procedure which is known as surveillance. Looking for this perpetrator, keeping an eye open for the disease, to keep track of it, to look after, to monitor it. The disease detectives sit around in conference, they do their deduction often as a team, because somewhat like police detective work the specialty has gotten complex enough, that various components of the process, the laboratory, the biostatistician, the administrator, the medical person, all contribute. To confirm the process, the police detective, uses the court trial where the evidence is presented and presumably is searched through carefully. The disease detective creates a study, with which to confirm the occurrence or to confirm his hypothesis. Surveillance leads to an outcome, in one case the perpetrator or a criminal, is apprehended and the other the etiology of the disease, the what and how are determined. And finally, an action. Now this is the ultimate action, with a criminal there is execution, either of the criminal or of some sentence. With epidemiology, the ideal action is something, which terminates or at least prevents recurrence of the epidemic. It impressed me in a way and surprise me in another, that these two disciplines, although they have similarities share so many common words, in so many common illusions. And with this kind of approach, I think we might talk for a moment about the case of the four cities, that I wanted to tell you about, because this, in my experience, since I span the entire 20 years, during which this case evolved since my experience probably has made this particular story as vivid as any other in my training or my involvement with epidemiology. And it begins... And I'll begin with a little bit, of biographical information here, it begins in 1957. I had joined at that time, what is still called the Epidemic Intelligence Service, part of the US public health service, which in fact is a training program, for field epidemiologist, shoe-leather variety. And the course began in 1957, and still begins each summer in July, with approximately four to five weeks of basic study, in epidemiology and in biostatistics. In 1957 during the course, we were given the opportunity, to look for an assignment in epidemiology. And mine happened to be one in Atlanta, the headquarters of what was then called, the Communicable Disease Center, now the Center for Disease Control. I knew what my job was going to be, where I was going to be. And on the last day of the course, which was the first day of August, 1957. I came back from doing a little shopping, buy myself some furniture for an apartment, only to be told that I was going to be the first, of the EIS officers that year to go out and to help study an epidemic. And what had happened was that, that morning, a telephone call had come in from, the Minnesota state health department to CDC, requesting assistance in evaluating, analyzing, solving the problem, which involved cases of a pneumonia occurring since the 1st of July. 17 cases, many of them working, at the country's largest meat processing plant, one operated by Hormel in a small town, called Austin, Minnesota. A town of 28,000 people, 5,000 of which worked, in the Hormel packing company. I joined three other epidemiologists, one of them, a veterinary epidemiologist. We did what the chart said, we verified the fact that there were cases of pneumonia. They all seem similar, we interviewed the cases. We tried to find more cases, we set up a survey and interviewed 1,600 people. We didn't do all that ourselves, but we organized the survey. And many of the citizens in the community, did the survey. Finally identified 60 cases of pneumonia, 18 more that were possible cases. A total of 78, two of which died, an unusual in our describing the cases, with the fact that 87% of them were men, the average age was 54. There was no evidence that the disease spread, from person to person. There were no clusters of cases, no family groupings, and that the illnesses were very uniform. They all began abruptly, with a high fever, sometimes 104, 105 degrees, chills, headache, cough, and on x-ray, essentially all the cases, had evidence of pneumonia, commonly both lungs involved with the disease. There'd been no special exposures, except at the Hormel packing company which was interesting in the fact that none of the cases, had any exposure to animals. We looked around for any kind of clue, something that could have been blown by the wind. We tracked meteorological maps for the last several months, we collected every conceivable specimen, we sent them to every possible laboratory not only in this country, but abroad. We had concluded . That this was going to be Q fever, a disease, which is associated with animals. And that all we had to do to find that our expectation, was correct was to identify the right laboratory test and we'd have it. We didn't have it, and it wasn't until 1980. That in fact, we were able to go back and find out that in essence as you know, from what we said, initially, this was an outbreak of legionnaires' disease. The first recorded epidemic of that disease, unknown at the time, of course but the epidemiologic record was very clear and later on one could link, that particular experience, with others. But very briefly because I want to conclude, as soon as possible. And then let you do some talking or at least you ask some questions. The second experience, and I was also involved in this one, occurred in August of 1965. Where there was an outbreak, of acute febrile pneumonia, once again. In St. Elizabeth mental hospital in Washington, DC the population of the hospital was approximately 6,000 and between July 27 and September 10, 81 cases, 14 deaths, of this particular disease, were reported. Interestingly, once again, 70% of the cases were men. And most of the cases we're over age 50. A fingerprint, an epidemiologic fingerprint, if you will, was very, very, comparable to Austin, Minnesota. Few of us mused over that fact, but we had no reason to think it was any relationship. We did get a little bit more information this time in all the cases had, had some unusual amount of exposure, to the out of doors. Many of the patients in the hospital were confined, to the rooms or at least to the buildings. But those who had ground privileges, were particularly highly attacked and also interesting to us, when we tried to do something about it, they didn't have the methodology. Interesting to us was the fact that the cases, seemed to cluster around times when excavations. were being done to install a new sprinkling system. People who slept by open windows, tended to have a higher attack rate. All these intriguing clues, specimens collected, every laboratory test, conceivably effective or useful was done, nothing. Not until 1977, was this also shown, to be legionnaires' disease. But the record was building, and the evidence, the cases, the definition, the rates. All were beginning to point to something unusual. And then the next problem blew a hole in the whole theory, on July one, two and three, 1968, a few years later, in a County Health Department in Pontiac, Michigan, 95 of 100 employees came down acutely ill, with fever, generalized aches and pains, not feeling good. Only one of them sick enough to go to the hospital. Everybody recovering within a day or two, but all acutely ill and obviously exposed to something, in the health department. In this case, the incubation period of that response, to an exposure in the health department was about 36 hours in both Austin, Minnesota, and Washington, DC. It seemed more like three or four days, to 10 or 12 days, between what we could determine, as best possible to be a period of exposure to something and coming down with a severe pneumonia. But again, as had been the case in Austin and in St. Elizabeth Washington, there were no secondary cases, there was no spread of the disease cases. Only among those with some exposure, to what seemed to be most likely, the air conditioning system in the building. Altogether there were 144 cases, because some of the investigators who went, to look at the cases came down themselves. Just by being in the building. They were exposed to whatever it was and became ill. With the same disease, not with the pneumonia, but with this unusual short life spanned, febrile aches and pains. But a new bit of information, some kind of relationship to artificial environment, to an air conditioned building. And then finally, as you all know, in July of 1976, during the 58th annual convention, of the Pennsylvania American Legion. Eventually there were approximately 200 cases, of an acute febrile pneumonia. 34 deaths, 17% approximately, as had been the case at St. Elizabeth, almost the identical case fatality. An incubation of two to 10 days, as had been the case previously. No spread, men attack rate more than twice that of females. Why? No one was sure. Age again, middle-aged to older. No one, sure, why this was the case. But essentially a stamp of uniformity, in the epidemiologic record. In that case, by clearly the diligence, of the laboratorians later in the year, it was possible to show the cause and organism, which probably has been around for a long time, but only because of two technologies, was it now apparent. The first technology was that of artificial environments, air conditioning systems. And what in fact had happened, at the Bellevue Stratford hotel in Philadelphia, was that the cooling towers, for the air conditioning system, had not been properly maintained. And the water which stays at a slightly warmer, than normal temperature was able to accommodate the growth of this particular organism in high concentration. The fans in the air cooling towers, blew it around the building and around the building in a way that the air intakes for the ventilating system pulled in a high concentration, of aerosolized legionnaires' agent. There were some excavation going on at a parking lot, next to the hotel, probably the source of this organism which may well be one that has grown, in the soil for centuries. No one can be very sure. But once legionnaire's disease agent was identified it was possible to go back, find it in a case in 1947 of undiagnosed pneumonia, here was the legionnaires' agent identifiable. To go back to St. Elizabeth's, to go back to Pontiac, to go back to Austin, Minnesota, to find that in fact, there are two diseases caused by the same organism one Pontiac fever, and the other legionnaires' disease, pneumonia. Why? We still don't know. Whether it's the size of the particle, whether it's the way people are exposed, we're not sure. But besides those particular epidemiologically, studied experiences, 15, 20, 25 more immediately were apparent not only in this country, but elsewhere. In environments ranging from university unions, not quite like this one. To a resort hotels in Spain, to an internationally recognized problem. And what contributed to all this was very clearly, the fact that there had been detailed observation, careful collection of records, detective work by medical epidemiologists, just as criminal detective collect information, maybe not solving the crime the first time around but after detecting the aim of the crime, just as medical epidemiologist detect the case definition or describe the case to the extent, that there is comparability between epidemics and eventually when enough information is known, the case can be cracked. The second of the technological advances, of course is the one in the laboratory, that made the whole identification, of legionnaires' possible. So that on the one hand technology of air conditioning, led to the problem and the technology, of improved laboratory diagnosis led to a solution. 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it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=11.43,14.36"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's have the lights again, if we may.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=14.36,16.192"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=16.192,18.85"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll be glad to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=18.85,19.71"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"carry on as long as you'd like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=21.83,23.61"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Again let me apologize for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=23.61,25.24"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your being misled originally","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=26.44,28.31"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about what we are gonna talk about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=28.31,30.473"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought this might be a useful place to begin","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=33.777,35.61"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and maybe you can apply some of this background on your own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=35.61,40.61"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think there's a little bit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=40.61,41.443"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of epidemiologist in everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=41.443,43.69"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And let me also say one more thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=43.69,45.93"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some people say epidemiologists, some say epidemiologist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=45.93,49.67"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've told my friends that as soon as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=49.67,51.04"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they start calling these things, epidemics,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=51.04,54.29"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we can call them epidemiologists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=54.29,56.227"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But as long as they're epidemics,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=56.227,58.21"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"why not call the people who studied them epidemiologists?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=58.21,62.35"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801/transcript/22863/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Either one is all 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Let's have the lights again, if we may. And, I'll be glad to carry on as long as you'd like. Again let me apologize for your being misled originally about what we are gonna talk about. I thought this might be a useful place to begin and maybe you can apply some of this background on your own. I think there's a little bit of epidemiologist in everybody. And let me also say one more thing. Some people say epidemiologists, some say epidemiologist. I've told my friends that as soon as they start calling these things, epidemics, we can call them epidemiologists. But as long as they're epidemics, why not call the people who studied them epidemiologists? Either one is all right. Any comments or questions? Yes, sir. It's a small bacterium, of course had no name and was named by some of the taxonomists at CDC, Legionella pneumophila, to commemorate if you will, the Legionnaires' origin of all this. I had some interesting experiences in Philadelphia. Some of them I talked about this afternoon, mainly to do with the press, where one of the reporters for a major Philadelphia newspaper was sure he'd cracked the problem. Justice Jean Dixon had cracked the problem and said that these were murders by a foreign agent. He was quite sure that it may not have been a foreign agent but someone was spraying the Legionnaires with a deadly chemical. And he was about to publish this in the newspaper. And we had a session in the health officer's office because the reporter had called the white house and said that if he didn't get satisfaction, and if somebody didn't pay attention to him, he was going to publicize this information. So, I pointed out to him that like any good criminologist, he doesn't want to give away all the facts until we had sort of the perpetrator in hand, and why didn't he hold off for another day with his story. And he said that he thought that was a good idea. He held off for 24 hours, by which time the paper had seen to it that he was on vacation. I don't think so. I don't think so. Any of you connected whatsoever with epidemic studies, Legionnaires' disease? Another of my, I shouldn't say favorite diseases but I guess by circumstance, one of the things which I've been involved with a great deal, is Influenza. And so the Swine flu experience is another one of those vivid ones where the epidemiologist seems to be the person of the hour, since Influenza is probably in the Western world, the last of the major epidemic diseases in the true sense of creating so many cases. That is very obviously an epidemic. Some of you may not know, and let me tell you, since I thought about it. that for many people, an epidemic is a large number of cases of some condition. That's not necessarily true, since an epidemic is really a statistical measure. It's a difference in the rate of occurrence. That's why rates are so important, of course. And so if we have a disease which is not occurring at all, one case is an epidemic. If we were to have one case of Smallpox, since it's been eradicated, that would be more than an epidemic. Yes, sir. The action part of the chart. One of the first things, is to let people know so that whatever actions can be taken locally can be taken. If there's a way to terminate the problem, fine. If, for example, if one can do the simple thing which was done in the 19th century, to stop an epidemic of Cholera in London, one would do it, in that particular instance. An epidemiologist named John Snow was studying Cholera, partly because it was a pastime of his, it was a common disease, people didn't know how it was spread. He studied it very carefully by tracking down cases and by getting detailed histories of their exposure. He was convinced it was spread by water. And in London, at that particular time, there were several water supplies. People would buy their water from a company and the company would install pipes such as they were. And he found, in one epidemic study, that the water distribution system of one company, was leading to dissemination of cases. The study was very complex because Cholera is communicable, unlike Legionnaires' disease. And so one had to sort out which of these cases were secondary cases and which were primary cases, caused by the water but probably the most famous study of his with Cholera and the one that I was alluding to in terms of stopping the epidemic, was one where he was able to show that the disease was related to the use of a particular pump where families went to get their water. A pump in Broad Street, which is still there, not the pump, but the street. And he went to the pump and he took off the handle and the epidemic stopped. So what CDC tries to do is to let people know about what's causing it, what can be done so that there can be an action taken if that's possible. Usually what's possible is to prevent future recurrences. Because as you remember from the cartoon where the epidemiologist riding to glory on the downswing of the curve, the epidemic is coming to an end. Most epidemics are self-limited, but the actions are interrupt or prevent. Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- [Man] Where do you think we are as far as the\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] I don't think we're sliding to glory, quite clearly. The AIDS investigations are exceedingly difficult. For reasons of case identification, it's a difficult disease to detect in its early stages. And also because of the sociological stigma. Cases are not being reported as well as they had been previously. The press is very interested in having lists of names, doctors are trying to protect their patients from identification and reporting is not as good as it was at one time, although in all likelihood, quite adequate for purposes of the epidemiologic study. There are some rather good leads from the laboratory but that's about all they really are. A lot of people think and I believe probably rightfully so, although I'm not absolutely sure of this yet, that a single infectious agent probably a virus, is the cause. And among the candidate viruses, the group of retroviruses, that some of you I'm sure have read about or know about, are high on the list. And these are viruses that cause Feline leukemia, cause human T-cell leukemia that are agents that produce slowly progressive diseases and seem to have an affinity for the immune system. I've often thought, and I think other people share this belief as well, that the model of AIDS may not be as simple as an infectious agent causing a disease. It may be an infectious agent under certain circumstances, maybe with some related agent or condition or predisposing cause that it enhances susceptibility. So it may be a combination of susceptibility and an agent. I hope in a way it's an agent only because it will be a little bit easier to attack. In any case, I don't think we can expect to solve the problem very quickly. Even if a candidate agent can be shown to be a likely cause to do something about it. As, for example, with a vaccine is a matter of years. And it would seem as if the number of cases continues to increase. It was hoped at the end of 1983 that the number may be actually be going down. But it appears rather that that was a delay in reporting as a result of the end of the year. And also as a result of this concern about disclosure and confidentiality.\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] Yes, yes. And a lot of misunderstanding on the part of the public. A lot of fear that was unjustified and a lot of discrimination, I think against it. On the one hand Haitians against homosexual males. And now, however, through more careful epidemiologic study, the target groups, the at-risk groups, the patterns of spread, the relationships are becoming much, much clearer. And typically, when people have more information they're not nearly as concerned as when information is limited. So fear is inversely related to the quality of data and the epidemiologists, as well as the laboratory scientists with AIDS are doing a great service in their detailed observations and reports. Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- [Man] How widespread is it\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] It's widespread in the sense that there may be a case or two in many parts of the country and in many other countries. But in terms of the places that have most, it's quite focused. New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, the large cities particularly the large cities with large gay populations. Has this always been around and just not identified as such or is it\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] Some people would like to believe that it's new. Many of these diseases like Legionnaires' disease have probably been around, but the susceptibility factors or the the opportunities for spread, maybe just statistical chance hasn't really been as operative as it is now. It may be a behavioral thing, it may be lifestyle, it may be bad luck. Other people do think it's new or a derivative of an older agent, but in fact, almost new one, that we don't know, of course.\r\n\r\n- [Woman] So there are no identified, things like detail , where you can say, we know we had a bad year.\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] Not yet, not yet. There are some serologic tests, some blood tests that have been developed using candidate retrovirus agents on the theory that that group of viruses may be the best group to look at because in, it may be one can find a good candidate or the agent. And so serological tests that use a group antigen have been devised and cases are being screened to see if they fit the pattern. What has been particularly difficult, has been trying to place what has commonly been called pre-AIDS into some category. I'm not sure that's a justifiable term, but once one has a serologic procedure, a lot of people are tested and logically with an antibody-antigen test that uses a wide spectrum, antigen one is gonna turn up all kinds of positive reactions and then not know what to do with the information. And I think that's partly what's happening. Most people are very cautious about suggesting that some of the pre-AIDS conditions where there are swollen lymph nodes or fever or loss of appetite or some weight loss, has anything to do with the progression on to AIDS. We just don't know these things yet.\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] I've read about that. With the retrovirus. Yes. These things are all going to help and it may be it may well be that suddenly one day, there's the answer, like Legionnaires' disease. And it may on the other hand, be one of these slow pro-ploddding, chip away a little at a time, learn something new, and then eventually, the stories put together.\r\n\r\n- [Man] What is the prognosis\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] Depends a bit on what the clinical state is. The immune deficiency in some instances, is primarily notable in susceptibility to superinfection with other agents, which in themselves, because there is no good immune response may be fatal. In other cases, the opportunistic, some people call it 'condition', is a malignancy, Kaposi sarcoma. It looks as if opportunistic infection or opportunistic malignancy are the two outcomes and depending which one occurs, fatality varies. But the case fatalities have been very high, 30%, 35, and again it depends a bit on the age, depends a bit on the other health factors, contributing health conditions.\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] No.\r\n\r\n- [Man] When you say 30%, are you saying that the other 70%\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] No, I think our data are just not that good. The whole thing has only been apparent to us since 1981. And it looks as if the incubation period can be anything up to two years or longer. So the cases which are now appearing may have been infected if it's an infective process, two years ago and the natural history of the disease is unfolding, but we don't really know. My own suspicion is that this 30% or whatever figure one picks depending on the geographic area, is probably gonna turn out to be much, much too high. And it's a problem with case definition, because the cases which are now being identified are those which are almost terminal. So obviously they're going to be the ones which lead to a very high case fatality. If we were able or when we are able to determine who is infected prior to the time that any of these major complications occur, we'll be able to get a sense of the total number of people who are infected, and who recover. In many cases, I'm sure. I'm sure that'll be the outcome. Then we'll be able to get a better fix on the progression to serious and fatal complications. Now we're really just seeing the tip of the iceberg and it would be unusual, It seems to me and some of the other people who've had some medical experience may want to comment, it would be unusual to me to have a disease, particularly if it's ineffective that doesn't have maybe the majority of its instances in milder forms that recover or are very long lasting. This is the usual model of disease. Don't you think so? Well, true. Hopefully this will not be quite like that. I think we already have evidence and some of these cases, which epidemiologically seemed to be linkable where there is some lymph node enlargement temporarily and disappears, and those people then seem to have, in some instances using the broad antigen, serologic evidence of some experience. No one wants to draw any conclusions from that kind of information, but it does make a certain amount of epidemiologic and clinical sense. Yes.\r\n\r\n- [Woman] My question would like to go AIDS virus isn't a virus. Maybe it's a different type of viruses including that which causes Feline leukemia. My understanding is that there are several mutations that may cause the Feline leukemia virus by some cats when it comes to immunity . One is a cat that doesn't have the virus and would not be susceptible to the virus. One is a cat that would be susceptible if they come into contact with the virus. One is cat that has the virus but is in itself immune, does not come down with the disease But if the carrier My question is, are you saying that there's a possibility that if AIDS is transmitted by a virus similar to that other virus that causes Feline leukemia, that maybe some people may carry the virus but aren't themselves susceptible to it. Whereas other people are susceptible to the virus and when they come into contact .\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] I think Yeah.\r\n\r\n- [Woman] One cat is now a carrier of the virus, but if it gets into a rundown state .\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] It's very tempting to use models like that, that may have some comparability and try to project. But I think it's probably dangerous to do that. Our understanding virologically and epidemiologically is so sketchy that we're searching for clues and any kind of lead that may give us some help. But I think to go much beyond intrigued with a condition like Feline leukemia, or human T-cell leukemia and to try to design an explanation for AIDS is beyond what we should do. It's always helpful to look for these models in nature. But I think our understanding now is just too incomplete, to be sure. And I think you probably know more about the Feline leukemia than I do, from what you tell me. People are hoping they can, but to my knowledge, there's nothing of any substance. Not really. There are some blood tests which people are using to screen cases to see if they find any evidence of comparable exposure to agents that might be either causative or related. And you can see by my choice of words, that these are all very speculative associations. And this is the way investigation begin. People get a group of cases. They try to define them as in epidemiologic study generally. So they have a fairly pure sample of the same thing. And then they use all techniques they can put together to see if they can identify them, subdivide them, categorize them, even better. And they use serologic tests which I'm sure ultimately, will be found to be spurious. But people are looking, using whatever antigens they can find hoping to find some linking clue. But I believe we're far from having anything very authoritative. Unfortunately. Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- [Man] Yeah, does anybody look at epidemiology For instance, Legionella would be a good example. Here in Iowa, after the Legionella was isolated and then went back to Morgan state hygienic lab. Air conditioning, because another case in Iowa, another epidemic,\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] People have gone back. This is how the Pontiac fever, Saint Elizabeth's hospital and other documented epidemics and documented serum specimens, have been put into the right category. None of the specimens from Austin, Minnesota had survived fire in one case and being spread all over laboratories at the time to see if we couldn't identify the cause. So what we did in that instance was to go back and it was more than 20 years. Found all of the cases who were still living, who were still there, identified twice as many controls, matched for age, sex, occupation, geography and all the rest, and did a serologic survey and found, fortunately, that the antibodies to Legionnaires' disease agent persist. Seemingly for life at rather high titer and found that the cases were infinitely more detectable with Legionnaires' agent and a serum or rather antigen than the controls. And although we didn't have the same nice paired serum specimens that they did in the other epidemics I think everyone was quite clear that that was the case. Other specimens have been tested and cases of pneumonia going back, in individual cases, going back even before that, have been shown to be Legionnaires. Many of them are only individual and not documented as part of an outbreak. And the first outbreak, as far as I know, still is the Austin, Minnesota one. The other things that are being done with the agent are trying to map geographically it's international extent. So that once one has a good test, one could do the kind of thing you suggest and really do some historic study.\r\n\r\n- [Man] Maybe complicated 'cause now I think 14 species of Legionella.\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] I think you're right.\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] You may have been more involved recently in the laboratory side of that. Is there any suggestion about the original, origin of it? Whether it is in fact a soil organism, that just has become pathogenic because--\r\n\r\n- [Man] I don't know that much. I'm a taxonomist and my work doesn't involve and naming them\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] Oh, are you really? Yes.\r\n\r\n- [Man] I picked up this pretty name\r\n\r\n- [Man] I don't know. As a soil microbiologist, It does seem to grow.\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] Yes.\r\n\r\n- [Man] And of course it was never found because of the absence of vital the key ingredient in the medium Yes. It's a fascinating laboratory story. Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- [Man] People often talk about the money used in the research as though someone had a magic wand\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] I think by and large, that's not the way science goes. At least not in this country. I suppose if you had no money for research and you got some, you'd be a lot better off. But there's a certain amalgamation of information and a gradual evolution of enough information to make scientific progress possible. Now there are the serendipitous events, but I'm not sure money would make the difference there either. So a certain amount is necessary. More than you need, probably won't make things go much faster.\r\n\r\n- [Man] How do they decide how much do you need?\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] I'm not a good one to ask. The usual decisions are as much as you can possibly get and what politically and economically is feasible. Very difficult. There's a certain symbolism to research support and with AIDS in particular, there was a great human cry from many segments of the population about the fact that whatever amount of money was being expended didn't look like enough if you compared it to this or it looked like too much, if you compared it to that. And we really weren't doing enough in this area, it's a very subjective kind of thing. By and large, at least my understanding. and again, I'm not very close to the research side of this. At the moment, it would seem that all of the potentially productive things are being done to do things which don't really have much chance of being useful are hard to justify. Some of the things which are now being done, however, are very costly because they involve large nationwide surveys and long-term followups with specimens being collected and very carefully cataloged individuals being tracked. And these are thousands of people being tracked. And this is very, very expensive research. It's long-term epidemiologic documented with specimens for eventual laboratory study. But it's a good question. It's more really maybe a socio-political question than a scientific one.\r\n\r\n- [Woman] Do you know how many people the CDC has investigating right now?\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] I don't. And I think they would probably have some difficulty giving you a good number because there are lots of people who are full-time, but then there are many many others who periodically get involved. There used to be a standing expectation that the secretary of the department, at any moment could ask how many people are doing something. And we'd almost developed a way of, with a normal gram saying, \" Well, there must be 25 people who are doing something 10% of the time and so many.\" Because an epidemiologist who's out studying an outbreak of Legionnaire's disease might get called in to see a patient who conceivably would have AIDS would spend a day doing that. Well that's that 10% of his investigative time. It's that sort of thing. I remember many years ago when family planning, epidemiology, just demography was not politically very acceptable. And then it changed. And the department did a survey of how many people were doing family planning, demography. And there'd been one person at CDC who never really wanted to admit that's what he was interested in. But when the department became interested, he was elevated since he was the only person in the whole department who was doing anything. We wanted to say, \"Thank goodness, we've got somebody working in that field.\" So it depends on perspective, so much. And how one counts one's effort depends a little bit on what's acceptable, as well. On AIDS? Oh, yes. Yes. Oh, there are hundreds direct employees and thousands when you consider all of the people under contract. And I can't give you the total amount of money, but it's many millions of dollars. Yes.\r\n\r\n- [Man] In terms of sheer numbers,\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] We're talking about a few thousand total experience.\r\n\r\n- [Man] It's so intriguing because you don't know a lot about it.\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] Yes, yes. Another reason that I think people are quite interested is because it in itself is potentially a model for other immunologic conditions. And if one gets a better understanding of how agents, like viruses, may influence the immune system in its chronic disability. We may learn a lot about Leukemias generally or cancers or just the ability to resist infection or recovery. So I think some people are looking on this as in its own right, a model of many other conditions. So solving this problem will give us clues about a lot of other things that up to this point haven't been soluble. It's fascinating how the sun, or whatever it is, targeting a subset of the T-cell.\r\n\r\n- [Epidemiologist] Yes. Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- [Man] You were involved in the swine flu vaccination program. In retrospect, having looked at that program I was fortunate in having involvement and at the same time, no responsibility. My involvement was primarily as the secretary of the committee that was making recommendations on using the vaccine. If you had a vaccine, how would you use it? But with respect to conduct of the program, I wasn't involved. I was quite knowledgeable of the plans, and I had worked with Influenza for many years and so was quite familiar with the disease and the possible vaccine intervention, what you could expect, what you couldn't expect. And in retrospect, I think that precisely the right things were done, the right series of conclusions. There is one sort of thing that I might recommend be done differently. And that's the portrayal of the decision-making process for the public. And part of that was I think, not the fault so much of the Congress as kind of the circumstances and making policy decisions of that scope, the insurability of manufacturers, the questions of consent and all these extraneous questions that came into the decision-making process that essentially made it look like a jumble of uninformed scientists who didn't communicate. If one could have done it, and I'm not sure it's possible, what would have been much more understandable by the public, was the decision as it was made for a national program with vaccine for anybody who wanted it, because the possibility of a major epidemic was here. We had the capability to intervene and therefore we should. But along with that decision, it seems to me one could do it. There should be maybe two or three points at which an evaluation would be done. The public should be well aware, that on such and such a date, everything's gonna be looked at. And we will modify, we will continue on course, we will stop, we'll do something, but here is the time or approximately the time that we'll be making a re-evaluation. But what in fact happened and conceivably what would happen again, is that all of the many forces and influences that come into that kind of decision, would again act and that there wouldn't be the chance for what would seem to be a very nice logical unfolding of a national policy. But basically to answer your question, given the constraints there were, I think the scientific and epidemiologic decisions were proper and given the same circumstances, I think the same kinds of decisions would be made again. Hopefully, they would appear to be clearer if there wasn't the congressional and legislative and other kinds of concerns. That's a hard question, of course. Well, I've enjoyed it very much. I'm not sure whether you're greatly enlightened but maybe at least some of the epidemiologic concepts are a little bit clearer than they were when we started. Thanks so much.\r\n\r\n- [Woman] Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/36656/file/105801#t=0.0,2471.424"}]}]}]}