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Mr. Brown, I'm delighted to have this opportunity to visit with you about the library. When did you first see Iowa State?\r\n\r\n\u003cv CHARLES HARVEY BROWN\u003eCHARLES HARVEY BROWN: My notes are purely personal. My first sight of Iowa State was by moonlight. A party of librarians numbered about 175, were on a special train to San Francisco for a meeting of the American Library Association. We stopped at Ames to pick up three librarians about 1:30 in the morning. Among the three librarians were Miss Robina Ray, head of the agricultural library at Iowa State College. I asked her to point out the buildings on the south side of the tracks that we left Ames, and she showed them to me. This casual interview made eventually a complete change in my life, and I had some influence, for better or for worse, on the history of the Iowa State College Library.\r\n\r\n\u003cv DOROTHY KEHLENBECK\u003eMr. Brown, how did you happen to come to Iowa State College?\r\n\r\n\u003cv CHARLES HARVEY BROWN\u003eIn 1916 or 17, Miss Ray left Iowa State College to come to Washington as librarian of the Red Cross. She happened to have some correspondence with Dean Beyer, who then was supervising officer of Iowa State College Library. He asked her to recommend the names of some librarians. She gave him 5 or 6 names, and he wrote me asking me to meet him at a library meeting at Detroit, Michigan, to be interviewed. In the meantime, President Pearson had interviewed me at the Cosmos Club in Washington, where I was then employed. His interview extremely interesting, but very stimulating. He seemed to take more interest in my wife than he did with me. He was very tactful and courteous and asked my wife would not miss the social affairs in Washington if she came to Ames. I knew the point he wanted to make. I informed him at once that my wife was not a social butterfly. She is very much devoted to her family, her children, and her church. She did not even smoke a cigarette. He looked very much pleased and told me he would like to have me come out to Ames for a visit later on.\r\n\r\n\u003cv DOROTHY KEHLENBECK\u003eWhat happened when you visited Ames?\r\n\r\n\u003cv CHARLES HARVEY BROWN\u003eWell, I had a, I had a very exciting time. On the way, I stopped at Des Moines to see my friend of many years standing, Doctor Johnson Brigham, who was then head of the Iowa State Library. He told me that the General Assembly was not well disposed to educational projects. That there have not been very liberal with the appropriations for the state schools, nor for education in general. Then I came on to Ames and met first name Beyer. He told me there was a complete change going to take place in the library. That was rather fortunate because as I studied the building, the appropriations and the present conditions, the library seemed pretty hopeless. It was not even a good small college library. First I met Dean Buchanan and he went over with me. the future development was ahead. A new library building had been planned. The contract was about to be let. The Graduate College had just recently been functioning. It was, I think, founded in 1915, but not much was done except in the departments of botany and chemistry. He said there was a brilliant future for Iowa State College. I asked him if Iowa State was a member of the Association of State Universities. He flared out and said no, but that showed the prejudice of those people. Fortunately, 30 years later, Iowa State College was admitted to membership in the Association of State Universities. Possibly, the election of Iowa state to the Association of Research Libraries might have had some influence. People who have visited this library, librarians, told me they wanted me in this new Association of Research Libraries, but they did not want Iowa State College Library. I told them they had to take both of us and not either of us. Fortunately, I was on the organizing committee in 1930, and Iowa State College has been an active member of the Association of Research Libraries. But to come back to these interviews, Dean Buchanan was most interested. We talked about our graduate work. He did his work at University of Chicago. He knew what a university library was like. He knew that Ames at that time was simply a poor, small college library. The buildings were on the north side of Beardshear, then known as Central. It consisted of about three rooms, one on the first floor, first floor, and two on the second. These rooms could seat about 60 or 65 students. Those students use the stairs going up to the third floor and down to the first floor for seats. The attendance at that time is not definitely known. As a different method in counting student enrollment. Now we count only the students registered on the third week of the fall quarter. Then they counted everything they could rope in, whether one course, or whether students were taking one course or 3 or 4 courses. The figures are not comparable, but probably on the present method of counting the student enrollment, about 3200 or 3300. The present enrollment, as counted on the third week of the fall quarter is now over 9500. 1 or 2 other notes about the people I talked with on that first day. John Brindley was active. He used the library very considerably. He had one assistant who spent most of his time in the library. He was head of economics, by the way. Dean Buchanan was by far the one who had the most knowledge of library procedures and the greatest inspirational view of what the library could become. He had more influence on the early history of this library as any other member of the faculty. Niemeyer, who had studied at Johns Hopkins University, also understood the needs of a university library. Doctor. Nurse, later head of the Brookings Institute in Washington, also was a great user of the collections in agriculture, agriculture, economics. These men were a group who were intensely concerned with the development of the college library into a real university library. Doctor Pammel should also be mentioned in this group. I am coming to him later on.\r\n\r\n\u003cv DOROTHY KEHLENBECK\u003eMr. Brown, what were the major problems that you encountered when you first came, and how did you attempt to solve them?\r\n\r\n\u003cv CHARLES HARVEY BROWN\u003eDo you expect a three hours conversation? There are too many of them. The one was the state of the budget. We had no budget when I first came. There was a payroll for the 12 persons now then employed in the library, three of whom worked in the divisional or departmental libraries. There are nine in the Central Library in Beardshear. The total salary were well under 30,000. We had no budget for books. Once in a while, President Pearson would give me an allowance from unexpended funds of, say, 10,000. Every 3 or 4 months. That is a practice which has continued even to this day. He was liberal, though, and when he was here in Ames, he did increase the budget. I think the first year we have a budget of less than 30,000 for salaries for the 12 assistants and a budget for books of slightly more, including the special grants made to the library. Now the library employs 48 persons, instead of 12 we had at that time. The budget is well over 300,000. Almost eight times that we had at the beginning. The student enrollment has increased about three times, if the same basis of figuring is used. My first concern was with the obtaining of more capable assistants, an increase in the budget. But my main grief came with the building of this library.\r\n\r\n\u003cv DOROTHY KEHLENBECK\u003eWhat kind of trouble did you have, Mr. Brown?\r\n\r\n\u003cv CHARLES HARVEY BROWN\u003eWell, we had a certain appropriation for building with two wings. The west wing was supposed to be the same size as the east wing, but certain individuals wanted to build some new cow barns. Cow barns are much more important in Iowa than a library. So they reduced the length of the west wing, and that handicapped us in our stack capacity. It was a building decreased. Mr.. Windsor and Mr... of the University of Illinois library, and Mr. Walter of the University of Minnesota library made a report on the building needs of this college. I showed them the plans and they said they are, these are not the plans we approved. We had a much larger stack for business. I talked with President Pearson about it. I told him that the stack capacity would be exhausted in six years. The architects made a mistake in figuring. All I could do was to listen to him telling me that, Mr. Brown, your figures must be wrong. Just see all this enormous space we have for stacks. I gave him my detailed figures, but they did no good. Dean Buchanan, as always, came to the support of the library and protested to the president. Dean Beyer said he'd been trying to get a building for so many years, you accept almost anything now to get the matter settled. I went down to Mr. Proudfoot, head of the firm Proudfoot, Bird and Rawson, and told some of my troubles to him. He astonished me by saying, you know, Mr. Brown, president Pearson won that contract let before any librarian came here to interfere, and the contract is going to be let next month. 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I made a report to President Pearson, as did Dean Buchanan, urging that the west wing be extended to its original length as recommended by the committee. There are other problems, though, and it was impossible at that time to obtain any change in the specifications which were awarded. Two months after I came to Ames without any thorough re-study of the plans, I estimated the stacks would be filled within eight years. President Pearson was sure I was mistaken. I was. The stack was filled in five years, and from that time until the present day, the library has been on a hunt for more space. Many books have been stored which are unavailable. Many books were stored at first over in the Union on the top floor, later on in many other buildings. The warehouse was built about 1940, and that gave help for a year or two as it held over 200,000 volumes. But still, the hunt for space has continued, and probably the greatest difficulty in maintaining service to readers is the lack of aggregate book capacity in the library. Also, the rooms have been filled to overcrowding. And that also created another difficulty. I never thought after we left Beardshear, I would see students sitting on steps because no space was provided for them in the library. But I have seen it once again. I thought of writing the governor telling him of these conditions. I do not think it would do any good.\r\n\r\n\u003cv DOROTHY KEHLENBECK\u003eHow successful were you, Mr. Brown, in getting increased appropriations?\r\n\r\n\u003cv CHARLES HARVEY BROWN\u003eI had plenty of support from many members of the faculty. Not from all, but from probably one third or one fourth. But they were the leaders: Dean Buchanan, Dean Stange, Dean Curtiss, Professor Brindley, head of economics. Doctor Sweeney, head of chemical engineering. And these men assisted me in my various contacts. There was one explosion. We are not supposed to visit the assembly, but many of us did. I think possibly they are going now. In 1927, there are proposals to cut the appropriations for the state schools. In the senate was a graduate of Iowa State College who was editor of The Student, whom I knew personally. The house had made a slight cut in the library appropriation. I talked with him. Doctor Sweeney and others were active because of their great need for books, and he rose to his feet on the floor of the senate and said, I could not see why the assembly gave Iowa State College over a hundred thousand for books, and Iowa State College only 40 or 50,000.\r\n\r\n\u003cv DOROTHY KEHLENBECK\u003eMr. Brown, I think you misspoke. You said Iowa State College twice. I expect you meant the University of Iowa in the first instance, didn't you?\r\n\r\n\u003cv CHARLES HARVEY BROWN\u003eThat is correct. I'm sorry. The library did receive a substantial appropriation at the proposal of my friend who once was editor of the Iowa State College Student. The, from that time on, The library has been reasonably successful in obtaining sufficient book funds, principally because we had the support of many leading members of the faculty. It is the assistance of these individuals, a few of whom I have mentioned as I named the library to develop its collections until, in at least 4 or 5 categories, are equal to the best in the United States.\r\n\r\n\u003cv DOROTHY KEHLENBECK\u003eMr. Brown, graduate work was largely developed after you came. Can you tell us how the library kept in step with this progress?\r\n\r\n\u003cv CHARLES HARVEY BROWN\u003eTo me, that was extremely interesting program on account of my background at the John Crerar Library in Chicago. Dean Buchanan and I worked very closely together. In 1927, the Iowa State College Journal of Science was established thanks to Dean Buchanan. He arranged for a grant of 500 copies in the Iowa State College Journal of Science to be sent to the library to be used for exchange purposes. On account of this example, the library was able to obtain many different publications. The proceedings of the Iowa Academy of Science, the publications of the Agricultural and Engineering Experiment Stations, and many others to be sent out to other libraries on exchange. Now we are receiving over 2000 scientific journals in exchange for the publications which we are sending them. And these journals are many which cannot be purchased. Some from Russia, some from Japan, and from almost every other country in the world. Furthermore, Dean Buchanan, in continuation of his continued help in 19, proposed that the library give a course in scientific bibliography for graduate students. We had five students the first year in 1925. Now the total number graduate students taking this course numbers over 100, and in some years numbered as much of 140 or 150. He also was instrumental in arranging for an extension of the freshman library courses, which had previously been given only in agricultural home economics to engineering, veterinary medicine, and some departments in the division of science, or industrial science, as it was then called. When I first came, I made a study of the holdings of scientific journals for the various scientific departments. I use these checklists as an aid in acquisition. Doctor Pammel was as much interested as any other person on the campus, except Dean Buchanan, in the building up of a collection for research material in mycology and plant pathology. He had an excellent collection in these two fields. On the fourth floor of central. The collections in botany was not as good as in the special subject of mycology. Mathematics had made a beginning. Chemistry, thanks to the help of such men as Doctor Gilman, Doctor Forman, Doctor Hayes, the head of physical chemistry. I started already a development. I was very eager to extend the research abilities, facilities of the library. I should mention Doctor Allen of the mathematics department, who was an expert in the bibliography of mathematics. Also, many members of the faculty of veterinary medicine were not only big users of books, but were also clamoring for publications which we did not have. I did make a list of the interlibrary loan requests. The librarian of the John Crerar Library in Chicago wrote me a letter, which I sent to President Pearson. He wanted to know if we had no money at all for which to purchase books. The interlibrary loan requests were very, very numerous in those days and were a burden to many lending libraries. But these requests helped us in deciding what journals ought to be purchased.\r\n\r\n\u003cv DOROTHY KEHLENBECK\u003eMr.. Mr. Brown, when did you retire as librarian and what have you been doing since that time?\r\n\r\n\u003cv CHARLES HARVEY BROWN\u003eI retired in 1946. Since that time, I have one of the most happiest, some of the most happy experiences of my life. General Douglas MacArthur and the National Diet of Japan asked the American Library Association to send two librarians over to Japan to organize a national library. Mr. Clapp of the Library of Congress and I were selected. We spent several months in Japan and a few weeks in China. These experiences have given us a knowledge of the Japanese people. The National Diet Library was built in accordance with our recommendations, and has collected, in the last ten years, about 5 million volumes. It has been one of the outstanding national libraries of the world. I also kept myself busy teaching. I have taught, early, before retirement, at Columbia University library school for six summers. After retirement, I taught at the University of Illinois library school, Florida State University library school, and I have lectured at many others. I have had a very happy period of retirement, and I have enjoyed continuing my activities. I would like to summarize for a few minutes, if Mrs. Kehlenbeck will be patient and let me, of my viewpoint of what has been accomplished at Iowa State College. I am greatly indebted to the presidents, some of whom I had some arguments with. I have had many friends on the campus who have given us a very great help through the years in the services to be rendered by this library. There are too many to mention. I do not think there's anyone in this campus today who had been here any length of time, who I Why would not consider my friend. Especially, I am very much pleased with the appointment as librarian of Mr. Robert W. Orr. He has continued the development of this library. He had been my personal friend. I feel also very much indebted to him.\r\n\r\n\u003cv DOROTHY KEHLENBECK\u003eThank you so much, Mr. Brown. We're delighted to have had this interview with you. I would like to say a few words about Mr. Brown. He was president of the Iowa Library Association from 1935 to 1936. He was president of the American Library Association from 1941 to 1942. He was also on a committee of three to organize the Association of Research Libraries. Doctor Windsor, librarian at the University of Illinois, Doctor Gerald, Princeton University, and our own Doctor Brown were the committee of three. Doctor Brown received an honorary degree of Doctor of Letters from his alma mater, Wesleyan University. In 1935, he visited Europe on a mission of the American Library Association to obtain a reduction in the price of publications published in Germany. During the four years preceding the Second World War, the reduction resulted in a saving of several million dollars for American libraries. This reduction applied to all countries except Switzerland. Doctor Brown is the author of several books, the latest of which is Scientific Serials, published two years ago by the American Library Association. Mr. Brown, you've made a tremendous contribution in the world of libraries, not only to our own, but to libraries all over the world. Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3434/collection_resources/158869/file/289564#t=0.0,1035.96"}]}]}]}