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you?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2722.34,2724.28"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/913","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, that last question\n(audience laughing)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2724.28,2726.23"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/914","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is the democratic question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2726.23,2727.97"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/915","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And if you can't answer the question,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2727.97,2729.987"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/916","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"How could you get rid of me?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2729.987,2731.82"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/917","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then you have no right to exercise power over anybody else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2731.82,2734.84"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/918","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I personally, have come to the conclusion many years ago","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2734.84,2737.949"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/919","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that, \"It's democracy, that frightens people.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2737.949,2740.43"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/920","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think socialist rhetoric frightens anybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2740.43,2742.38"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/921","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyone can make a socialist speech,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2742.38,2744.219"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/922","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've made a few thousand in my 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Sunday","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2747.85,2749.959"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/925","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and nothing happens till next Sunday,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2749.959,2751.969"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/926","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the people in power aren't frightened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2751.969,2754.17"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/927","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But when you start challenging their power,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2754.17,2756.387"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/928","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"What authority have you got to do that to me?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2756.387,2759.0"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/929","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I tell you you're really in trouble","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034#t=2759.0,2761.01"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116034/transcript/27880/annotation/930","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whether you're dealing with capitalism, 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take the coat off. Well, can I, first of all, thank you very much for inviting me to congratulate the organizers of this particular Institute on having arranged the program on a subject that is so timely and yet at the same time so timeless. Because when I had the invitation to come it took my mind back to when I first spoke in Iowa, at Iowa City at University 44 years ago I was a student of 22 back from the war. And we debated a motion which I have written down that, \"The danger of war can best be averted by an all purpose Anglo-American Alliance.\" That was a discussion before NATO was formed. And I argued against it because I wasn't a Cold War warrior and there were 573 students there, and the motion was defeated by 446 to 117 which was an indication of something. But the reason I mentioned it is because in 1947 America really was the dominant power in the world. Russia had lost 20 million people, Germany was destroyed, Japan was destroyed, Europe was in chaos, and if we're talking about the new world war based on a single superpower, it's worth looking back at what the position was then. Now, I'd like to begin if I may, by examining very, very briefly the conventional wisdom about what is happening at the moment; communism is dead, socialism has gone with it, A liberal capitalism has won everywhere, America has avenged the Vietnam war, I heard from president Bush after the Gulf war was over, the Soviet Union is accepting capitalism, a new capitalists Europe is being built, Pax Americana has begun, Adam Smith has defeated Karl Marx and Milton Friedman has defeated John Maynard Keynes. And then I hear that Francis Fukuyama speaking this week says, \"History has ended.\" I was in Calcutta when his book came out, and you could see the hungry people on the streets cheering at the thought that history had ended, and then lo, the starving and always be hungry. Now, that is the conventional wisdom and you have to address it, if you've got to talk about the real world. And I suppose turning from that to what would be a new world order, if we could achieve it it would need to provide peace, security for people, sufficiency, the protection of the planet from the challenge that exists to it; environmental and other challenges, would have to secure human rights, it would have to provide social justice because there is no peace possible without justice. Law and order without justice is the is the charter for every dictator ever live. And if you then look at the opportunities and the danger you're gonna get some idea of what it is that would need to be done. If you look at the opportunities we live at the first period in human history when there is enough for everybody, if the resources of the world were properly distributed, nobody would starve, there would be homes for everybody, there would be dirt roads at least, elementary clinics and schools, and that is at least to remind that when you talk about a proper new world order you're not living on cloud nine. We're seeing peace talks in progress in Madrid and elsewhere, quite a number of problems that have confronted us in recent years are being discussed, the Cold War is over, there's been some limited nuclear arms reduction, there is an enormous peace dividend to be gained if we could reallocate our resources, and there is undoubtedly a great hope worldwide for the new world order and within it for some row for the United Nations itself. If you look at the dangers, they are however, quite awesome too. The spread of nuclear weapons. There are a number of countries now that have found it easier to acquire nuclear weapons. The problem has been means of delivery but elementary nuclear weapons are not hard to build. The arms race is still going on and the arms trade, which is one of the most criminal trades in the world is going on a pace. There is a widening gap between rich and poor both inside societies, certainly inside Britain, and I think the United States and an enormous widening gap between the industrialized countries in the third world, there is a world debt crisis, which means that actually the third world is subsidizing the industrial world far from there being any economic aid flows, it's quite the opposite, they are being required to pay interest which they can ill afford to pay to the rich countries. There has been a recrudescence of nationalism, of fundamentalism, there is still appalling problems of disease, there is still the existence of imperialism, and for the industrialized countries themselves because we are not in any way exempt from the objectives that I described, there are the most horrific, unresolved domestic problems in the United States, in Britain, and indeed in most industrialized countries, problems of mass unemployment, of poverty, of ill health, of homelessness, of drugs, of crime, and anyone who thinks that somehow liberal capitalism has solved all these problems, and the Russians are longing to have our drug trade, our crime rate, our homelessness, are I think living in a fool's paradise. And there is of course, a huge recession, they call it, before the war they used to... Before the last World War they used to call it a slump in the Western world which involves a massive waste of resources. If I just take the district I represent in Britain, the district of Chesterfield, we have in some words 27% unemployment. The government have tried to avoid this by changing the basis of calculation of unemployment. I think they had changed the statistics 27 times in the 13 years they'd been there, but he just said a fact that a it's the people who come to my weekly advice center which I run every week to meet my own constituents, half the people who come are unemployed, and the other half come needing services that could be provided if the unemployed were at work and that inherent contradiction is still there. But it may be more helpful if we're looking at the future to have a little bit of Glasnost about our own past. It is a world where we live on the media headlines, inclines us to forget where we came from. And I think if we do look at the past we could make a little bit more sense of the present. My mother died last week at the age of 94, born in 1897. And the reason I mentioned it is that, of course when she was born the world was run by three white men: the King of England, the Kaiser of Germany, and the Czar of Russia. They had one thing in common, they were all Queen Victoria's grand sons. And nobody ever talked about human rights, so long as you were being repressed by Queen Victoria's grandsons. And that was the old world order. That was the world order which somehow we believe will so terribly destroy by the Russian Revolution. And there was massive imperialism by the European States. When I first came to America in 1947, I heard the old joke which you may have heard that, \"The sun never sets on the British empire.\" So some visiting British speaker said. And an American replied, \"That's called God doesn't trust an English man in the dark.\" But it is a fact that the world was absolutely run from these European empire. Africa was colonized, curved up by the European States, the frontiers having no regard to where people actually lived or that tribal cultures, Asia was colonized, Latin America was effectively colonized, and even when I was born in 1925, 20% of the population of the world was run from London. Now, that is the background we tend to forget when we talk about what's happened in the Soviet Union. I remember as a little boy of six in London, I met Mr. Gandhi. He came to London for the Round Table Conference. And a British journalist asked him, when he arrived in London, \"What do you think of civilization in Brooklyn, Mr. Gandhi.\" And Gandhi said, \"I think it would be a very good idea.\" Now, that was the world of my own childhood. But none of that is ever mentioned, as if the first breach of human rights that ever occurred, had occurred in Stalin Russia. Then you have the First World War which is an imperialist conflict. A trading war and a war between imperialisms, and then the Russian Revolution. Now, the Russian Revolution was without any doubt the most significant event in the 20th century, comparable to the French revolution, more a show than the American revolution, because both the French and Russian Revolutions had social implications. And from 1917, until today, the main object of the West has been to reverse it. An army was sent into Russia; British army, and I think American, and certainly French troops were involved to destroy the revolution in 1920. I came across the other day a memorandum Winston Churchill put into the British cabinet at 1920, about the forces we sent to support General Denikin, the White Russian leader and Churchill said, \"Whatever happens the Ukraine must not be split from Russia, and secondly, we must tell General Denikin to stop the antisemitism which the White Russians were promoting.\" Because I tell you antisemitism didn't begin in Russia with the Russian Revolution. And the interwar years from 1918, 1920 to 1939 were of course, the years when Europe swang to the right. They're years of fascism, of Mussolini's Italy. And I'm old enough to remember some of the leaders of Western Europe in the 1930s. Field marshal Mannerheim in Finland, no democrat. Pilsudski in Poland, no Democrat. King Cowell, King Boris, King Michael, King George, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Salazar, Neville Chamberlain, this is the world to which were supposed to be returning. Indeed, when there was an election in East Germany, the other day, the BBC said, \"In the first free elections in East Germany since 1945,\" so I rang them up and said, \"Could you tell me the date on which Hitler had a free election in East Germany in 1945. But this is the mythology they've just been spread. And of course, if you read Neville Chamberlain, was a British Prime Minister in 1939 or '38 at the time of Munich, which I remember very, very well. Chamberlin was accused of appeasing Hitler. He didn't appease Hitler, he supported Hitler. And if you look at the Captured German Foreign Office documents, you will find that the British Foreign Secretary, Lord Halifax was sent to see Hitler, i think at Berchtesgaden in about 1937, and the opening of the exchange was Lord Halifax said to Hitler \"I come on behalf of the British government to congratulate you heir chancellor on suppression communism in Germany and acting as a bull against communism in the Soviet Union.\" The only capitalist country in the world that went left in the 1930s was, guess which? The United States of America. Roosevelt, although it wasn't a socialist in any more sensible definition of the term was overwhelmingly, the most progressive leader of the capitalist world in the interwar period. And the new deal and all that followed from it because it was very much a model for the post-war labor government was really, a very important development in world history, and played a significant part in the defeat of fascism. And you come to the Second World War when Hitler attacked the Soviet Union. Now at that time Harry Truman, who later became president was quoted to saying, \"if the Germans seemed to be winning we should support the Russians. If the Russians seem to be winning we should support the Germans, and hope that as many as possible kill each other from the other side.\" That was the American comment at the time that America was not in the war. And a very powerful Anglo-Soviet Alliance was formed at that time. Neither Stalin nor Churchill, I must admit for different reasons are my favorite politicians, but they signed an Anglo-Russian treaty. And the British conservative government issued a beautiful colored, the booklet, which I have at home called \"Comrades in Arms\", with a picture of Churchill on one side and Stalin on the other, and that was before Pearl Harbor before the United States came into the war at all. We knew Roosevelt was sympathetic, but he wasn't able to do much more than give us some destroyers under lease land arrangement. And then of course you had the Pearl Harbor attack and the building up of the final stages of the Anti-Fascist Alliance. And then the atom bombs were dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the war with Japan ended. I went to Hiroshima, Nagasaki a few years ago, and right up to the time I went, I'm afraid not to have known it. I thought those bombs were used to save many thousands or tens of thousands of American lives from having to land on the Japanese mainland. Wasn't til I got there, I discovered that was quite untrue. The Japanese had offered to surrender some weeks before, if not months before the atom bomb was dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Why were they dropped? This all came out to the Japanese war crime trials, and I should've known it, but I didn't. You may or may not Know it yourself. They were dropped as a warning by the West at the end of the war, that the West had weapons of horrific strength, really as a warning to the Soviet Union, and that brings you into the Cold War. Now, here, looking back over the Cold War, now it's over, I think we have a sort of obligation to re-examine the basis upon which all Western policy including British fellowship, and the labor governments as well as conservative government, 'cause I'm not making a narrow political point there, look and see what really was the basis of it. We were told consistently, that there was a Soviet military threat to Western Europe. Now, I was no supporter, never have been of Stalinism or the Centralized Communist dictatorship of the proletariat, so don't misunderstanding me. But I must tell you I never believed the Soviet Union intended to attack Western Europe. All right, they had their control of Eastern Europe. I suppose if I were to coin a phrase, they regarded Eastern Europe as their backyard. But at any rate, the idea that with all the problems that they had lost 20 million in the war, all the destruction that they either believed, or could have defeated West Germany, France, Italy, Norway, Sweden, and Britain, and taken over Northern Ireland and dealt with even Paisley, I do not honestly believe that was ever true. What's true, and unquestionably true, and has been from 1917 onwards, was the fear of the spread of socialist ideas. And that really was what led to the formation of NATO about which we had the debate in 1947 at the University of Iowa, triggered off the arms race which is just probably, the arms race itself on both sides, one of the greatest crimes against humanity that has ever been committed because the money poured into weapons by NATO and the Warsaw Pact, had it been applied to the relief of world poverty would without any doubt have saved millions, and millions, and millions of lives that were thrown away because of the Cold War. And then we had of course the Evil Empire argument by President Reagan. The war by proxy that was fought around the world. And yet having said all that, I must say this about the Soviet Union, two things I must say. One is, anyone of my generation, and I'm 66, will never, ever forget that it was the loss of Russian lives that protected Britain from occupation by Hitler. And I know it's a difficult thing for an American audience to understand because you were never in the position where you are in any way threatened by a German invasion. But for my generation, it was that particular, that period between May, 1941 and December the 7th, 1941 when Pearl Harbor occurred, it was the Russians to whom we look to carry the weight of the Soviet attack. And the second thing I'm gonna say too, that I think it very, very unlikely that if the Soviet Union had not existed as a world power from 1917, whether the anti-colonial movements against European empires would ever have succeeded, because the support, psychological in some cases, political in some cases, military, it was given by the Soviet Union to the old British colonies that fought their freedom was a very formidable contribution to the liberation of those countries from the European empires to which I refer. And while I'm speaking about that, let me also look at the other side of the coin of aggression. I led a delegation to the Soviet ambassador in London to protest most vigorously against the invasion by the Soviet Union of Afghanistan. Before I went, I read my history and I did know when I went that Britain had invaded Afghanistan, four times for the last 100 years, but that wasn't mentioned in the British press at the time. And if you look at the Vietnam war, at the Algerian war, the Suez war, the Bay of Pigs in Cuba, the toppling of a land in Chile, the invasion of Grenada, the invasion of Panama, if you look at a whole range of Western interventions in other countries, it's not so very clear to me that the West, by which I mean the United States, and Britain and others were so deeply concerned with human rights as was claimed in the popular press. And of course it was out of that realization that you were dealing with two power blocks, both primarily concerned with their own economic and global interest, that you've got the non-aligned movement. Originating at the Bandung conference when Nehru went to meet Zhou Enlai, and out of that came the non-aligned movement, 101 countries, very important development; totally committed to making the United Nations an effective body, arguing for disarmament and development, and of course, working through the United Nations' special agencies. And I must say one word here, about your UNESCO, because I think one of the most disgraceful acts of the American and British governments have committed was withdrawal from UNESCO, because UNESCO wanted to set up a new world information order, so that the third world wouldn't be absolutely dominated by the media moguls who now control the international television networks and indeed own so many press outlets. Now, we've come to the collapse of communism itself and I think it's very important, at least I think it's important. I don't know if I could interest you in it, that we look at what really happened in the Soviet Union. A country invaded three times in 28 years, Stalin undoubtedly, the most horrific monster in the Soviet Union itself. But of course the Stalin terror ended in 1953 which is a long time ago. And what remained, and I visited the Soviet Union every year or two since 1960, was a terrible legacy of bureaucracy and centralization, which the Russian administration perfectly well understood themselves. I remember when I went to... 1968, I think it was, to Moscow as a British minister, to see they're exhibition of industrial automation. And they had a huge hall with a wall about 10 times as high as this showing how the Russian economy worked. And there was the central committee of the communist party, a little flashing lights, going to Gosplan which is the planning thing. Then going through the Gosplan to the industrial enterprises, to the planning ministers, then down to the industrial enterprises and going back the other way again. And I said to Rudy Nef, who is a minister, \"She is very interesting demonstration. Where is the consumer in this?\" And he said, \"It's funny you should ask,\" he said, \"I asked myself, but nobody seemed very interested. And that really, that was much more than the terror, the problem they faced. It was a problem of centralized planning on an absolutely massive scale. They were also bankrupted by the arms burden. I think that the United States and Britain have suffered enormously, for the amount of money we've wasted on weapons, that's why the Japanese are doing so well, 'cause whereas we produce missiles, they produce videos, cameras, cars and all the lot of it. But the Russians at one stage, I think were spending 60% of their gross natural product on weapons, and in a sense, I think there was an element of strategy in the West to bankrupt them. By forcing them to take the view that they needed that level of weapon. And then you had of course, Gorbachev coming along, the peace moves, the tremendous response that produced, but the one lesson that comes out of it to me, at any rate, is that what we've learned from it is you cannot impose socialism, not that I ever believed you could understand, but you can't impose it. You can't impose anything over a long period, you can't impose apartheid over a long period. We had a little argument with the Polk Lamps known as the reformation, you can't impose the fascism on people. And if there is a lesson out of it, it's a democratic lesson and not an ideological lesson about whether the socialist ideas are capable of winning public support. What is happening now, of course, in the Soviet Union, I was there again, not so long ago, is that the reforms that are being so widely hailed here in the West are causing the most appalling hardship. Yeltsin has a non-stick abolition of all price controls which means that a lot of people are going to find themselves on the bread line. In East Germany, there is now between 30 and 50% unemployment as West Germany takes over. And this idea that what we're witnessing in the Soviet Union is the return of democracy, I don't think it's necessarily true at all. Indeed, the further the Russians are pushed towards capitalism since they have no infrastructure of chartered accountants, and lawyers, and the Dow Jones industrial average which has replaced the 10 commandments as far as I can understand it, as the basis of Western society. The only type of capitalism they will be able to have will be military capitalism of a third world character. And when Mrs. Thatcher, and the House of Commons announced that the first McDonald's hamburger joint had opened in Moscow as if this was the proof that democracy had finally arrived. I think that was a slight exaggeration. And what we are seeing there, of course, is the return of nationalism, is the disintegration of the Soviet Union, is an authoritarianism. And in Eastern Europe now, fascism and antisemitism are coming back up, truly put well I understand if you live in East Germany, and you've got between 30 and 50% unemployment you're bound to say, \"Why should the Turks have jobs? Why should the Yugoslavs have jobs? Why should the Jews have jobs? We want the jobs.\" And don't ever forget it was mass unemployment that brought Hitler to power. So the situation is just a little bit different. My own opinion is that the excitement in the West about the changes in the Soviet Union and not about the outcrop of liberal democracy, but about three things; first of all, the belief that socialist ideas should have been extinguished. Secondly, that the military threat has been extinguished, but thirdly, and most importantly, that in Eastern Europe is a very highly qualified workforce with very low wages that can be colonized by Western capital, very profitably for themselves. And I think that explains an awful lot of what we are reading at the moment. Now, if I turn from that to the Middle East which has been the subject of a lot of comment and still is. Here, you have a part of the world producing a lot of oil upon which the United States and Britain, until we discovered oil in the North sea, was entirely dependent. And in the 1950s when Mosaddegh, the first non-corrupt Iranian leader came to power and booted the British out without a gun, the Americans that, and at the time of Suez a year or two later, American power filled the vacuum left by the withdrawal of British power. And Turkey has been consistently supported because Turkey was the main bulwark against the Soviet Union. And one of the great reasons of course for the betrayal of the Kurds was that after the First World War, when the Turkish empire broke up, we promised the Kurds of 26 million people, they'll have a nation of their own. By 1922 at the Treaty of Sevre, it was clear that the remains of Turkey was a bulwark against the new communist Russia, and therefore the Kurds were betrayed by the West then. When the Turks invaded Cyprus in 1974, which was an act of aggression quite as serious in legal terms, as the Kuwait invasion, then of course the Americans supported the Turks because Turkey was the bulwark against the Soviet Union. And of course, as you could imagine from all empires because we were one and know what is like, the way empires work is to prop up dictators locally who then feed their own people down in return for which you give them military support for that, and they then deliver the raw materials to you. That's how we ran India with the Maharajahs and the Rajahs and all that. And that's how the Sheikhs have delivered the goods for the United States. And the Palestinian case was rejected, though something might possibly emerge at Madrid. And of course they say United States supported Saddam Hussein. I mean, he was seen as a local dictator and undoubtedly, one of the things he must think about as he sits in his a ruined bunker is, \"What is it that I did that lost me the friendship of the United States?\" I guess the Noriega has the same feeling. They were both creatures of American policy at the time when they were useful. And when the Khomeini, do you remember the Khomeini was the great danger man a few years ago at the time of the hostage crisis when Jimmy Carter was sweating it out hoping they'd come back before the inauguration of President Reagan, it was of course, Iraq that was relied upon to try to undermine Iran by the Iran-Iraq war. Now, if I sound as if I'm saying critical things about the United States, you're right. But British hypocrisy in this Parsis almost blew all belief. Iraq was run by Britain for years. In the 1920s, when Britain ran Iraq, there was an uprising in Iraq and Britain used mustard gas against Iraq tribesmen in the 1920s We are the ones who talk about chemical weapons. Then in 1958 which is not so very long ago, at least not in my book. In 1958, the British foreign secretary and we remember carved out Kuwait from Iraq 'cause we wanted the oil protected. The British foreign secretary wrote to John Foster Dulles and said, \"The British government are thinking of turning Kuwait into a British colony. What do you think about it?\" \"Oh,\" said Foster Dulles, \"what a very good idea.\" That was a British occupation of Kuwait treated in that way. And I think myself that the Gulf war was not about what it was supposed to be about democracy, and human rights, and all the rest, it was about the reassertion of American power in an area of the world where an enormously valuable resource namely oil was to be found. And that was the reason for the attack on Iraq because Iraq had got too powerful. It cannot have been any interest in Washington in democracy, 'cause the one thing is absolutely clear, it's that if there was any democracy in Saudi Arabia the King of Saudi Arabia would be in exile himself Or any democracy in Kuwait, 'cause if in any democracy in Kuwait, the Sheikh of Kuwait would not be about any more. And so you got this war presented as if it was a UN war, it wasn't a UN war at all. And since the beginning of this very year 200,000 Iraqis have been killed by Western or coalition bombing, and according to the Harvard medical team that went there not long ago, 170,000 Iraqi children under five are going to die, if they haven't already died, in the next 12 months because we bombed the water supply and cholera and dysentery are now sweeping off the children of Iraq and Saddam Hussein is still there. And that doesn't surprise me because if Washington could work with him before I'm sure they could work with him again. Now, this is the background against which we're supposed to take this tremendously optimistic view of the world in which we live. If I look at the third world and I see the role of the international bankers, the IMF in squeezing their budgetary policies in order to extract the interest from the debt crisis. If I see the rising population, the growing poverty, and the problems that confront them, and the fact that dictators are still supported from the West, and the fact that they have been bankrupted very often by their own arms budgets. They're persuaded to buy arms to keep their own people down, and then told they've got to pay the interest on the arms they bought for that purpose. I think myself, it's not a very pleasing prospect. I won't say much about the future of Europe, except that there is now an opportunity without any doubt for a wider Europe, which does include East and West, but note I think on the basis of the treaty of Rome. So it is against that background that I re-examine as a socialist, the future there may be for socialist ideas. And perhaps I may say to this audience which you may already know, but I find talking in America as I do quite regularly, there are many people who don't know what an enormously important socialist tradition there is in the United States itself. There was of course, Robert Elliot and the first man to be called a socialist, an industrialist came to New Harmony, Indiana and set up his corporative there, and my wife went to visit it the other day. There Eugene Debs, a fabulous man who stood as a socialist candidate for the United States presidency in 1919, he had a slight disadvantage as a candidate. He was in prison for sedition at the time. And I've got one of Eugene Debs' campaign buttons at home, which I pride as a picture of Debs in prison uniform behind bars, and it says, \"For president of the United States vote for federal convict nine, five, four, three.\" And he got a million votes. Now, that's quite an achievement. And if you look at the dysentery, if you look at the civil rights movement, the anti-Vietnam war movement, the anti-intervention movement, in my book, and I'm not trying to embarrass anybody, I think there are so many socialists in closets in the United States. You've either got to build more closets or somebody has gotta come out and say what has to be said. Because there is an eternal search for justice and peace, right from the time of the Spartacist's revolt which Kirk Douglas played so vigorously in that old movie right through the whole of human history. And if most the trade union movement. An integral part of the struggle for human rights because of that, the trade union movement, there was no power strong enough to stand against the power of capital. When Debs was engaged, 'cause he was a railroad man in the famous strike against the Pullman company. Pullman said, \"If necessary, I shall hire half the working class to kill the other half.\" That was the crudity of 19th century capitalism, that was certainly true in Britain as well. And what I think we have to examine, if we're looking at the world we live in at least from an academic point of view, if you don't want to take it further, is what was and what is the socialist critique of capitalism? Now, Karl Marx has been having a hard time recently and it's perhaps necessary to point out that he died long before the Russian Revolution. He wasn't responsible for anything had happened. He's no more guilty of what happened in Russia than Jesus Christ was for the inquisition which happened sometime later too. Marx sat in the British museum and studied British capitalism. He analyzed it and he came out with some quite interesting ideas. One was, I put it very modestly, as I'm in Iowa. That, \"There is a marginal difference of economic interest between those who sweat their guts out, creating the wealth and those who happened to own it,\" sometimes known as the class struggle, but I don't, hardly like mentioning it. That there is solidarity a natural interest, common interest between working people, not only in each country, but in every country, and that was the basis of his idea of internationalism. And there is a school of thought to which I think I probably adhere that Karl Marx, who was a Jew was the last of the old Testament prophets. He was somebody who came along and identified the basis of the injustice of Victorian capitalism, which was very, very hard. And I might add was not the liberal capitalism we had talked about because working class men did not have the vote in 19th century, Britain, in Dickensian, Britain. And women, of course didn't have the vote until 1918. And if you look at the contradiction between enormous wealth, and enormous poverty, and the waste of resources of unemployed people who could create the wealth in order to raise living standards, you realize there is a very powerful critique, a socialist critique of capitalism that has at least to be confronted and faced because it isn't very easy for me in my own district to explain why there are a building workers out of work who could build houses and homeless people who can't get homes to live in. Now, that is an absolutely basic example or why there is overproduction of food and people still are dying of starvation. And I think also you have to recognize therefore, there is no necessary connection between capitalism and political democracy. Apartheid was capitalist, it's never called that because it would be too embarrassing to call it that but it is a capitalist system, apartheid. It just happened that the blacks who did the work didn't have the vote as well, and it was based on color. But there is no necessary connection between capitalism and democracy. And I might add, as we've learned in Russia no necessary connection between communism and democracy. Democracy is something that is a challenge to all authoritarian power systems. And when, therefore I look at the world in the light of this and I noticed the United States has 2,000 bases abroad. You've got 130 of them in Britain. 2,000 American bases but they aren't there to protect democracy and human rights. They are there like all empires to protect American economic, and political interests. And I say this with some feeling, coming from an empire, that has now disappeared. And you could see exactly what it is really about. And that's why the arguments about the new world order being based on the Gulf victory don't make much sense. If therefore you are to look and see what is really happening, and what really has to be done about it, I think you have to go back to the technical changes of the century. Because in 1900 the fastest moving vehicle was a railroad train that went at about 60 miles an hour. Now, the spacecraft had 25,000 miles an hour. In 1900, there was the primitive calculating machine or the abacus now, there are the micro-computers that will do millions of calculations in a microsecond. In 1900, the largest form of communication was somebody with a megaphone addressing a crowd, perhaps bigger than this. Now, with the modern communication you can address the whole population of the world. And in 1900 the most powerful killing machine was a Maxim machine gun, now, you have the hydrogen bomb. And all these technical changes have produced tremendous accretions of power. And the question is who is to control the power. That is what the new world order must be about or it's about nothing at all. And if we are going to look and see whether this power is to be used to create jobs, and homes, and good health, and education, and dignity for old people, and democracy, and human rights, then we come to institutional questions. And I am a great believer that democracy is a process. How you use it, how people use it is for them to decide. But at the core of it, it is a process. And there has to be some proper institution at the global level. I cannot believe for a moment that what happened to the Gulf war where Perez de Cuellar was really a totally inadequate in the role that he played and the American pressure was brought to bear, so the Russians got a subsidy from Saudi Arabia, and the French got a loan from Saudi Arabia, and the Chinese were told they'd forgiven Tiananmen square if they didn't veto the war on San. Cannot believe that had anything to do with the founders of United Nations. I came back in 1945 as a pilot from the war, and the first meeting of the United Nations General Assembly was held in London about half a mile from well, quarter of a mile from the house of commons. And it reflected in its organization the aspirations of the human race for peace not for some authorization, for an expression of military power by one nation. And if we are to look at the UN, it must be authorized to deal with planetary protection. And that includes environmental questions, chemical and nuclear weapons, and pollution. Must have a role in human rights, even if they occur in Northern Ireland where the British systematically deny human rights. Must have some UN forces that are not under the control of somebody appointed by the Pentagon. There must be direct elections to some assembly with the power to override the superpower veto. I.e. the elementary developments of democracy in our societies, yours and mine, which were about the growth of popular control over executive power, has got to be reproduced on a global level. And you've gotta deal with this question of the debt and the control of the multinationals. For my sins, I've spent a lot of my time dealing with multinational companies. I remember Henry Ford coming into my office once when I was minister of technology, and he floated in like an emperor visiting a ward. And virtually told me what he expected me to do in dealing with Shell, and that so, 'cause I was the Energy Minister for many years. You have to remember that these multinational companies are in many cases much bigger than nation states, they've have huge resources and they have no loyalty to any country not even the country of their origin, and they try to dictate what they want. And you can't have a political system that doesn't take account of economic and industrial power. And then you've got to carry this down right to the local level, the national government, the regional government, and so on. But at the root of it, all, it seems to me because the Christian socialist input is what I must tell you is greatly influenced me. You have to decide what life is about. Is it, \"Are we a community, or are we a sort of regulated jungle?\" And until you've decided that question, you can't make sense of anything and whoever is in power. If you haven't settled that question whether you're about cooperation or competition, whether you're about profits, or whether you're about people doesn't seem to me you can make sense of your national policies or indeed your international policy. I had a very old friend Reinhold Niebuhr, who had a difficult chair at the union theological seminary. He was a professor of Applied Theology which I thought was quite a difficult chair to occupy. But he said something which I have never forgotten. He said, \"Man's capacity for evil makes democracy necessary, and man's capacity for good makes democracy possible.\" And I must tell you what I think we're witnessing now, is not the death of communism, I mean, everybody knows that so. But in enormous attack upon democracy by those who hold economic, and military, and media power. That is what I think is happening. And in the of course of my life I have developed five democratic questions which I offer you, because I formulated them as I had the opportunity of meeting a lot of very powerful people. And these are the five questions that I offer you as the litmus paper of democracy. If you meet a powerful person might the Brezhnev, might be Henry Ford, might be Saddam Hussein, might be anybody, ask them five questions, \"What power have you got? Where did you get it from? In whose interest you exercise it? To whom are you accountable? And how can we get rid of you?\" Now, that last question is the democratic question. And if you can't answer the question, \"How could you get rid of me?\" Then you have no right to exercise power over anybody else. I personally, have come to the conclusion many years ago that, \"It's democracy, that frightens people.\" I don't think socialist rhetoric frightens anybody. Anyone can make a socialist speech, I've made a few thousand in my life. It's a bit like a Bishop sermon, so long as you talk about brotherhood on a Sunday and nothing happens till next Sunday, the people in power aren't frightened. But when you start challenging their power, \"What authority have you got to do that to me?\" Then I tell you you're really in trouble whether you're dealing with capitalism, communism, apartheid, or indeed sometimes, historically religious leaders as well. 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people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035#t=19.38,20.97"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035/transcript/27882/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I detect a depoliticization of democracy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035#t=20.97,25.8"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035/transcript/27882/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Western societies, because it's all done on the media.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035#t=25.8,30.27"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035/transcript/27882/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You don't need to do anything, you sit at home","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035#t=30.27,32.12"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035/transcript/27882/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and you watch the pollsters and they tell 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on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035#t=37.9,39.05"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035/transcript/27882/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we've turned democracy into a spectator sport,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035#t=39.05,42.84"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035/transcript/27882/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where you don't have to do anything yourself,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035#t=42.84,44.95"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035/transcript/27882/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it happens according to what Dr. Gallup may tell you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035#t=44.95,49.95"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035/transcript/27882/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I see in that, an explanation for the 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failed in the Soviet Union really was that here you had a workers State. But because of the bureaucracy and the tyranny, the workers were depoliticized, they weren't allowed to discuss politics in the Soviet Union because if you criticized the Central Committee of the Communist Party, you we're an enemy of the people. But I detect a depoliticization of democracy in Western societies, because it's all done on the media. You don't need to do anything, you sit at home and you watch the pollsters and they tell you that this candidate is going up or down the image makers and so on and so on. And we've turned democracy into a spectator sport, where you don't have to do anything yourself, it happens according to what Dr. Gallup may tell you. And I see in that, an explanation for the fact that in the United States and in Britain, we don't really have a choice available to us. When Julius Nyerere, the former president of Tanzania, said of a one party state in Tanzania, he was criticized by an American journalist and Julius replied, \"Well, you know, even in America, \"you have a one party state, \"but with typical American extravagance, \"you have two of them.\" And there's something in that argument, that the difference between the parties on matters of substance, is so slight, you can hardly notice it. I watched the exchanges between Dukakis and Bush, and you couldn't put a postcard between them, as far as I could see. And therefore it may be the function of leadership in a democracy, is not to queue up to be the next manager of the status quo, the man or woman on a white horse who's going to put it right, but to see it much more in an educational row. There is an old Chinese philosopher called Lao Tzu who wrote about 40, or two to 3000 years ago and I have what he said about leadership, which I found, I must say very moving. He said, \"As to the best leaders, \"the people do not notice their existence. \"The next best, the people fear, \"the next best the people hate. \"But when the best leader work is done, the people say, \"we did it ourselves.\" Now, that is a definition of the political function that you won't find in any political party in the Western world. And yet, and yet, and yet, you look at why Nelson Mandela was released from prison. It wasn't because he had a public relations advisor in the Robin's prison telling him to get a new suit. It was because the blacks would not accept apartheid. Why did the Berlin Wall come down, not because they had better public relations or more funding of their campaign, because you couldn't run East Germany without consent. And I do not believe that in the long run, power does lie with those who have the largest military Arsenal. If that was the case, there would never have been an empire that would have collapsed. And yet of course, in the end, it is ideas that move people and commitment that makes people work, and a commitment to the new world order will be the only hope of bringing it about. We have in this century split the atom, and I believe that only the unity of the human race based on the mutual respect for the diversity of faiths and cultures of all peoples can control the dangers released by the splitting of the atom. I think it was FDR who said, \"This must be the century of the common man,\" or as we would now say beyond the sexist language, the common man or the common woman. If the next century is not such a century, then I do not see much prospect of a new world order that will realize the aspirations that lead people to speak about it with such enthusiasm. Thank you very much indeed. Well, if any one of you would like to say, \"This is the bit I shall enjoy most, \"which is the discussion.\" I would like if it was agreeable to you to have one man and one woman in turn because I found that's the only way of getting an opportunity for a balanced comment. So if you want to make a comment or ask a question or whatever you like, I'll pick as best I can. So could somebody start. It doesn't have to be about what I've spoken about, if you want to discuss something else. Sir, yeah.\r\n\r\n- So it does seem sometimes in the media It also turns out that the media is oftentimes criticized by groups like ,\r\n\r\n- Like who?\r\n\r\n- The media is sometimes blamed by anti-Semitic groups and other people for their lack of success. In the United States, we notice the media being mobilized by the civil rights movement . Why should the media be against socialist ideas? Why can't it be mobilized by anyone who's got a good argument?\r\n\r\n- Well, I'm not a believer in scapegoating anybody and I think as a matter of fact, there is a sort of conspiracy between political leaders and the media to see that neither discuss issues because issues very often embarrass political leaders as much as they are unacceptable to the media. But in Britain, I mean, every newspaper of note is owned by six rich men and they do not wish to promote in newspapers owned by rich men, arguments that might threaten their privileges, and it's quite straightforward. We have the BBC, which is supposed to be independent, but is a state broadcasting organization. And the BBC was nationalized by the Conservative Party for much the same reason as Henry VIII nationalized the Church of England. I mean, he nationalized the Church of England because he wanted to preach in every pulpit, in every parish every Sunday, telling the people that God wanted them to do what the king wanted them to do. That was why the Church of England became a nationalized industry. And similar the BBC is there really to see that only permissible views are widely discussed. Of course it's true, you can get on, if you present a good argument. But I think you have to recognize that, as in any organization, they are controlled by the people who have an interest to defend. And we are very far from having a balanced media in the Western world. That is what led America to leave UNESCO because the Third World wanted a world, New World information order and the media proprietor said to America and Britain, \"Get out or before we know \"where we are, we'll lose our monopoly of the third world.\" So it seems to be just realistic. And the media play the role in modern societies, I think rather comfortable to the role played by the churches in medieval times, they control the thinking of people, so it doesn't get far out of line with what the government wishes. Now, is there a woman who would like to put a question? Yes. Can you speak up because there's a sort of budge behind me and I'm a bit deaf.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, you've spoken to the fact that democracy is under attack around the world, and you've given several examples of the situation. You have also suggested this and hoped to next century in terms of governance and . Where do you see the hope for democracy?\r\n\r\n- Oh, I should go to the mic, but if somebody could sit next to me and translate the questions 'cause I am quite seriously deaf and there's a bad acoustics where I am, I've got a mic and you haven't. Well, I think the hope for democracy depends on whether we campaign for it. I mean, nothing happens automatically. And I can think of so many people who have a positive interest in discouraging democracy, it is going to be an uphill struggle. That even, I mean, elected people are not very keen on it, once they've got there. There's a very cynical French saying, which I often think about, \"There is more in common \"between two deputies, one of whom is a revolutionary, \"than between two revolutionaries, one of whom is a deputy.\" That's to say when you get to the top, you have a sort of common interest in fending off pressure for change. And I think it is an unending struggle for people to be taken seriously, because the centralization of power is so great in the world today and so easy for those who have power to manipulate it. Secret services expenditure, control of education and whatever it happens to be that it is, that's going to be the battlefront. And I have a horrible fear that with the disappearance of communism, that the people in the West who had to concede to democracy to fend off communism will lose their interest in democracy, because, or even their acquiescence in it, because they don't think they're gonna be challenged anymore. So it's going to be a very hard struggle, but without it, then we will fall under some tyranny, whether it be right or left is almost inconsequential. It'll be a tyranny. And so, that's what it's about, it's about what we do, where we live and where we work and not what somebody else is going to do, if only we'll vote for them and put them in the White House or number 10 Downing Street. That's the point I'm really trying to make. Sir, yeah.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I want you to answer a question for me as a Right Honorable Member of Parliament and also as a Right Honorable Member of the Human Race. , he's gonna take credit for communism falling, he's gonna take credit for the fact that we went in and we liberated Kuwait. I want, what do you respond to that? If you were, what your feelings would be, if he comes out and says something like that.\r\n\r\n- Well, it's not for me to comment on your presidential elections no doubt. All I would hope is that when the election comes, somebody puts the real questions on the agenda. Because if it's just somebody else, I mean, I notice now a lot of speculation about who's going to stand, who's the Democratic candidate, then what's gonna happen in the primaries, then who turns up top, then what. I mean, we have almost obliterated political issues from democratic discourse. So my argument is, that you have to come in and explain. And I'm more interested, I mean, at my age, I'm where I don't want anything for myself anymore. I don't want office, I don't want cash, I don't want a PR, I don't want anything except the right to speak my mind, to be a student and a teacher. And I think it's very important that somewhere in the political process, we rediscover that democracy belongs to us and not somebody else. And that the most important thing is to understand what's happening, and highlight the choices we have to make. If President Bush wants to claim the credit for the collapse of communism, well he's, I've no doubt his public relations advisors will tell him how to do it. My own opinion is that Western pressure on the Soviet Union had nothing whatever to do with it at all. I do not believe that the Russian's said, \"We'll live under communism, but now there are all \"these cruise missiles, we'd better throw it out \"of the window.\" They changed it because they didn't like living under it. And it isn't external pressure but internal pressure that changes things, which it confirms the argument I put forward, we've got to do it ourselves. And certainly it wasn't external pressure that led to the Berlin Wall coming down, the people of East Germany just were not prepared to live under that regime. And so they made that clear and there had to be a change, whether they've stumbled into something that may be worse is again a question they'll have to deal with. So this theory that we extinguish communism, by having all this nuclear hardware, just is totally unconvincing, doesn't persuade me. But how that argument is used in the context of American presidential elections is for, I suppose democrats or other Republicans, to put forward in their speeches, just hope it has some content. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, I wanna follow up on that first woman's question. You said that democracy will be an ongoing struggle. And I think a lot of us do believe that, but a lot of us have seen the political situation deteriorate, political relations deteriorate in the past, however many years, and I guess my question would be what do we have to do that's different? And what different struggle do we, what's the different ground or a different mode that will maybe help us in a way that we haven't been helped?\r\n\r\n- Well, the first thing, I'm not here to tell anybody else how to behave, I can only convey such experiences I have in the most helpful way. I think the most important thing is to understand what is happening. And I think with the best will in the world, it's extremely difficult to find out what's happening by reading the media. I mean, what I said tonight, may or may not have been familiar to you but at least it was a different point of view that I haven't read in the British press or anywhere in this particular form. You have to figure it out for yourself, don't take it from me, figure it out for yourself. Second thing I think you have to realize is that the way the status quo is maintained is by dividing people. Now, I don't know how it works in the United States, but I know how it works in Britain. We've got mass unemployment. So what the government do is try and get the employed to hate the unemployed. They say it's all these people living on welfare. So instead of hating the system that makes them unemployed, they say, \"Oh, it's the unemployed \"who are causing the trouble.\" Then they do it with black and white. If a black's got a job, he's stolen a white man's job. If he hasn't got a job, he's a scrounger on benefit. So the whites hate the blacks instead of hating this. Then they say, that with all this employment, women should go back into the home, because every woman who's got a job is stealing a man's job, so men hate the women instead of hating the system. Then they do north, south, but in Northern Ireland, the cleverest thing of all, they say it's all about Catholic and Protestant. As if somehow if Ian Paisley and the Pope had a summit meeting and agreed how many commandments there were, the problem in Northern Ireland would be resolved. So I mean, I think you have, the second thing you have to discover is the commonality of interest. Now, that, of course, does take you into the socialist analysis, on what basis is that of commonality of interest? It must be the commonality of interest of those people who depend for their income on the selling of their labor. Because that is the overwhelming majority. Then you have to ask yourself, how can I so organize that, that pressure becomes apparent, not just on election day? I'll give you a very vivid example, Mrs. Thatcher introduced a poll tax in Britain, the most vicious tax to ever been invented, the poor pay as much as the rich, and there was such a row about it, that Tory party got rid of their own leader, they murdered her, we never murdered her. They murdered her because they knew they could never win with her, because of the poll tax. So, there you've gotta change brought about without an election, and then had to drop the poll tax as well. So, I think when you look at how things happen and this has been my experience, it always happens at the bottom. And the last place in the world to get the message is the Congress or the parliament. When the Congress and Parliament have got the message, you will know the public have made up their mind about five years earlier. So, it's at the bottom that you have to start and you organize, and you unite and you campaign. And there have been some very, very significant victories, haven't there? Of people who have actually campaigned and brought about change. But I think above all, it is the analysis, understanding why it's happened and not allowing people to divide you. Because while they can keep people who are suffering in one way and another divided, particularly if you could hate foreigners, that's the most popular form of division. So you blame, in Britain they blame the French farmers, and so you build up a sort of reproduction of the Napoleonic Wars. You've got to recognize the commonality of interest and build on that. Now, I hope that isn't too elementary a point, but I think it is substantially what you have to do. Yes.\r\n\r\n- I'm curious what you might feel is the effect of the East league and the United States lifting sanctions on South Africa-\r\n\r\n- Well, it certainly is very interesting to me, the lifting of sanctions to South Africa. That there's been an American blockade, a total blockade of Cuba for God knows how many years, lifting it on South Africa and then preventing any foods or very little foods able to go into Iraq, where people are literally starving, or quite innocent. So, although I think that economic sanctions have a role to play and I would not be sorry to see economic measures taken to enforce human rights, but I think that it is simply a question of who benefits and who loses by the deal. I mean, in Britain, the reason that, 'cause why the government wanted to lift sanctions, was because an awful lot of the profits of apartheid, have turned up in the coffers of British companies who employ people of South Africa, make a huge profit 'cause the trade unions are illegal and wages are low and bring it back and the profits of apartheid lubricate the prosperity of the City of London financial center. So, that again is a case for analyzing why things happen. 'Cause people don't do things by accident. We may not know why they're doing it, but they know why they're doing it, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. Now are there any more women who would like to put a question? Right, anyone else who would like to? Oh, yes, good.\r\n\r\n- What do you see as the next mobilizer of military and political force when communism\r\n\r\n- What would be the next mobilizer of opinion now communism has gone.\r\n\r\n- So the-\r\n\r\n- Of military and political.\r\n\r\n- Well, I'm not sure that I'm very much in favor of mobilizing military forces under any banner. What I do know, of course, is that when communism was very strong, the United States used fundamental Islam to undermine communism and unleash the very thing that's now happening. Because of course, that was a way of defeating communism, if you stirred up Islam around the communist borders and the inside, and I'm a great believer in equality of religious faith and so on, but I do not wish to see fundamentalists to born again Muslims or for that matter, some born again Christians taking over the world. Because some of the fundamental Christians in the United States scared the pants off me. I remember arriving early one morning, I'm not talking about that form of scaring your pants off, I'm talking about being afraid of what I heard. I remember hearing somebody, I forgotten his name now, when I arrived from London late one night on a Saturday and I woke up about five o'clock on a Sunday morning and I heard one of these preachers. And he had a map of the world showing how many more nuclear weapons the United States required to defeat communism and the ultimate Armageddon. I mean, that was exactly like the holy war that was being preached from Islam. So, although religious faith has to be respected, I don't want to see religion mobilized. I think some genuine international forces, able to be used without serving national power for dealing with problems like Kuwait or whatever and dealing with other questions might deal with it, have dealt with the West Bank or Cyprus or one or two other examples. I think that would be worth doing, that would be a genuine law and order force. But in the end, it is about trying to persuade people as best as you can that they have a common interest in peace. Because they do. I mean, it is not in the interests of anybody nowadays, except maybe for the arms manufacturers or somebody or not, but a tiny minority benefit from war. The overwhelming majority would benefit for peace, the money would be reallocated to peaceful development, and so on and so on. So I would like to see people mobilize behind those ideas, and I don't know whether the nationalism is going to grow to the scale that some may fear whether you would have as it were a nuclear weapon in Serbia or Croatia, or Slovenia, or Canada, or in the Quebec or whatever. I just hope that doesn't happen. And I somehow don't think it will. I think that, just true, that with the collapse of communism, a big idea has gone. And when a big idea, right or wrong, and the point, when a big idea and a big center of power collapses then a lot of other forces come out of the woodwork, some of which may not be very attractive. I mean, that happened when the British Empire was wound up, a lot of the successor nations were pretty dictatorial in their character. And there was a problem that follows it. But I can't see any alternative, but trying to explain to people as best as you can, that there is a common interest in a peaceful and just world, which is the basis on which American and British democracy work. People think it is in their interest, that it should work like that. And the constitution was intended to enshrine that, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not bad objectives as a matter of fact when you come to think of it. Yes.\r\n\r\n- As I understand you believe that war history has been and is dominated by hypocrisy, by the nature of political favors. What do you think the world would be like if there were no hypocrisy?\r\n\r\n- If there were no?\r\n\r\n- Hypocrisy.\r\n\r\n- No hypocrisy. I mean, you're talking about the human condition, aren't you really? And the human condition is such that people with power will think of anything to justify what they do. I mean, the double standard in language never ceases to amaze me. For example, we are telling the Serbs to get out of Croatia, the British government is, but there's a British army in Northern Ireland. Now, what exactly is the difference between the British Army in Northern Ireland and the Serbian Army in Croatia, none at all. But when we talk about that we talk about terrorism. But when it's in Afghanistan, they're freedom fighters. And Mrs. Thatcher called Nelson Mandela a terrorist. That was her definition because there was a military wing of the ANC. Now, I'm not exactly a pacifist in the sense that I have the moral strength to follow the Gandhian principles of non-violence, but at the same time, if there is no justice, people may have no route to freedom by fighting for it. That's always been the case, that's after all the circumstances of the birth of the American Republic. You got rid of George III and there was a war to bring it about. And so, I think you have to recognize that people will always use reasons. But for the ordinary citizen who tries to follow these things carefully, the exposure of hypocrisy and double standards is a very, very powerful instrument. And have you heard in America of the BCCI bank scandal, has that been in your papers? Yeah, yeah. Well, what interested me about it was if that had been the Moscow Narodny Bank, we would have had pages about, this is typical of the drug written corruption of Russian communism. 'Cause it was a capitalist bank, it was due to the failure of two or three people who behaved rather below the standard you'd expect of them. Now that's a fantastic double standard, but nobody ever looks at it like that. I mean, that is a major capitalist scandal telling you that the CIA used the BCCI to run drugs, to promote, but the linkage of that with economic system that promotes It never occurred, whereas when it happens in the Soviet Union, then of course, all the lessons are drawn. So, and I find it very refreshing to examine arguments according to whether they are genuine or hypocritical, whether they reflect a common standard or a double standard, and that is a useful educational instrument, 'cause when you explain it to people, people understand it, they say, \"Oh, I see, I never thought of that.\" Do you know what I mean? So it's a useful argument that you'll never avoid. That's what Niebuhr said, \"Man's capacity for evil makes democracy necessary.\" But there's the other half of it as well. Now is there any woman who wanted to, wait a minute, I'll just give, yes.\r\n\r\n- I've never quite fully climate, because I never saw. I saw a movie, a 1920 to a 1930 movie and nothing has changed-\r\n\r\n- Do you know, I can't hear, will you come and listen and tell me because it's-\r\n\r\n- I'm talking about Northern Ireland.\r\n\r\n- Northern Ireland?\r\n\r\n- Will it ever be solved?\r\n\r\n- Well, I mean, there isn't an Irish problem, there is a British problem in Northern Ireland. That is the plain and simple truth of the matter. And, we have been in Ireland for several hundred years. In 1918, there was an election in Ireland and they voted overwhelmingly for a united independent Ireland and Britain sent an army and divided Ireland by force, the partition. The partition worked for a while, although it was never stable. And then you have the civil rights movement, Bernadette, Devlin and so on, and so on. And then after that, there have been a whole succession of policies by the British government to deal with what they call terrorism. There was, after partition there was a Strawman government, then there was direct rule, then there was power sharing, then there was internment without trial, then there were plastic bullets. CS guests, strip searching, Diplock courts with no jury, supergrass trials with no evidence, and so on. And they've all failed. Every policy has failed. The war costs a billion pounds a year, I mean, the biggest peace dividend pro rata in the world would be if the billion pounds spent on the war was spent on dealing with poverty in Northern Ireland. And I think myself, it's coming to an end, I think the British occupation is coming to an end. I have introduced three bills into the British Parliament to terminate our jurisdiction in Northern Ireland. And I noticed an opinion poll published two weeks ago, suggested that six to 1% of the British people as a whole favored withdrawal, only 17% think the British troops are doing any good, which I think is an astonishing figure, considering the propaganda we get about terrorism and so on, and so on. And then after the British withdrawal, then the Irish would have to determine their own future. The theory there would be an immediate bloodbath, I do not believe. I think the blood bath theory is a justification for imperialism, is as old as any you've heard. And I have a sort of feeling the Conservative government would not be sorry now, to shed that responsibility. Because it is expensive, it is a dead end. And it may be that if you did have a new world order with the Human Rights element in it, then somebody would be knocking at the Prime Minister's door in London and saying what about the denial of human rights in Northern Ireland, Birmingham six, Guildford four, people put in prison who were quite innocent and so on. It is a disgraceful story, but we are never told it. And as you know, if you're a shin Feigner or if you're a nationalist, you're not allowed to broadcast in Britain. I did a meeting with Gerry Adams not long ago and he was on the platform, it was a meeting like this. And I spoke, and the television cameras were rolling and the journalists, but as soon as he spoke, the cameras switched off because it is a crime for Gerry Adams to be allowed to broadcast. This in a country that claims that we are representing freedom of speech all over the world. It's a horrific story. And, fortunately I think most people in Britain have now woken up, but it's been a long, long time coming. Yes.\r\n\r\n- What's strategy might developing Countries take in the future in the face of US and European community, economic and cultural imperialism?\r\n\r\n- What will the Third World do in the face of the economic and European American imperialism? Well, I mean, I think that is the big question. Because the non-aligned countries, the 101 countries were built to be a bridge between or an alternative to the polarities of the Cold War. Now that the Russians have gone as a force to help them, then they feel a bit isolated. And for example, India had very good relations with Moscow, didn't have a share of Moscow's internal political philosophy, but Moscow was very helpful, without that, India is on its own. And similarly, with the disappearance of the Soviet Union, they're more vulnerable to the pressure from the banks and from the Western countries. And I think that out of the non-aligned movement will have really to be welded and created, a movement for the New World Order that is democratic and egalitarian in character and I think it will be sometime coming. Because whereas many of the non-aligned leaders were able to work together on the global politics, if you begin talking about equality and democracy, then it begins to get a bit too close to home for some of them. So you might find that it would be a beginners, a more popular movement, but spreading and growing. But I've talked to a lot of people about this very subject. And the ones I know in the non-aligned movement, which I've supported since its inception, are very, very interested in that. And I keep saying to them, when you set it up, don't forget there's some very radical people in the United States and in Western Europe who would support you, not governments, but there are people who would be prepared to support it. And I think a sort of popular movement worldwide for these things will have to be fashioned, because the bankers and the military and the media and the industrialists are beginning to run the world unchecked. And unless there's a countervailing power, it's gonna be hard grind for people. But that is what the next century I think will have to produce and maybe the origins of it will be found already and coming to fruition before too long. Now, there was a woman there, it's you, yes.\r\n\r\n- You talked about manipulation of the media by those people in power. I'm curious, do you think that the gulf war situation might have turned out differently if there had been such widespread censorship?\r\n\r\n- Well, the coverage of the Gulf War in the United States I can't speak for, because I presume you've got very much the same sort of stuff that we, but here in Britain, the manipulation of opinion about the Gulf War was absolutely gross. I mean, there were three opinion polls, just in December, the 10th I think when Parliament discussed the matter, only 40% favored the use of force. Later, just before the bombing began, it was less than 50% and before the ground war began, again, it was below 50%. And yet it was consistently presented as being overwhelming public opinion. I had, I opposed the war very vigorously in Parliament and I did meetings all over the place. And I had 13,000 letters of support and 400 critical letters some of which were just abusive, but I never got the feeling that there was that generality of support for the war. Now in the United States where you were playing a leading part and more of your troops were engaged in the frontline and so on, maybe there was a feeling or rather a different feeling and all this avenging of Vietnam War and all that may have been a factor of it as well. But I mean, looking back on it now, to be honest, the killing of those people in Iraq was a crime against humanity. It was a crime against humanity. You can't. And I think a lot of people now are beginning to realize it didn't solve any problems, 'cause above anything else, they will never ever, ever, ever be peace in the Middle East till there's a Palestinian State. And I say that as a lifelong friend of Israel. But there has to be a Palestinian State. And of course, all the pressure to prevent that has been coming from Washington and elsewhere. And so, bit by bit, it'll come right. But are there all that number of what you might call post-Gulf War, War enthusiasts. My own reading of what's happening is that a lot of people think that it'd have been better if Mr. Bush and Mr. Major had spent a little bit more time on domestic problems, instead of being seen on the golf course. Somebody said he thought it was the golf war. It was on at the golf course all the time, making all these horrific statements about military operations, but really, we've got our own problems to deal with. I know we have and I know you have too. So, it may be that this will turn out to have been a completely false dawn of optimism following general Schwarzkopf final Victory and so on. I think people say, \"Well, what about us? \"And what about our world? \"And what problem did it solve?\" And so on. So, I would guess that the euphoria, if there was much euphoria, wasn't very long lasting.\r\n\r\n- Do you think the media distorted?\r\n\r\n- Did what?\r\n\r\n- Do you think the media distorted the actual-\r\n\r\n- Oh, I do, but then, I mean, the censorship of the media began systematically after the Vietnam War, because during the Vietnam War, when there really was coverage of My Lai and all the things that happened, they very quickly realized that you could never allow people at home to know what was happening in a war. In the Falklands War, it was just the same. I mean, there was total news censorship and in the Gulf War as well. And so, you can't let people know. I'm not sure how long the first world war would have lasted if the people in Britain had seen what was really happening in the trenches of France, where in the mud and blood, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of British lives were lost. War is not something that is easy to maintain a popular support for in the circumstances of the time. I happened to be working very, very late on the night, the bombing began and I stayed up all night, listening to the American commentators from the Al Rashid Hotel and so on, describing it, saying, \"It's just like the 4th of July.\" And I almost threw up, because I had just been in Baghdad. And although they never told us, of course, between the Tigris and the Euphrates, is the cradle of our own civilization. When I saw Saddam, the first thing I said to him was, \"I hope you realize that I realize I'm coming \"in this country to the cradle of my civilization.\" And that country has been destroyed, completely destroyed, and the man is still there, and the innocent people have been killed. It's a terrible thing. Now, I wonder how many people see that now. I think probably more do, than we have ever been allowed to know, 'cause the media manipulate the extent of public support as well as manipulating the news in order to produce the public support. Yes.\r\n\r\n- You say that there won't, you say there will not be peace or there may not be peace in the Middle East until there is a separate Palestinian State. Do you mean to say then that perhaps there is no hope in the Middle East Conference?\r\n\r\n- Well, what's happening in Madrid is interesting, because I mean, they're meeting. I think, Israel, which is being funded, of course, completely by the United States, I mean, without American funding, Israel would not have been able to survive. I mean, it's a small country, but a powerful one, it's occupied territories around it, which are as much of an offense as the occupation of Kuwait, if you take a legalistic view. But during the Gulf War, the American government had to switch its support to the Arab countries 'cause it needed them for the coalition. So Israel is in two senses really, less necessary. First of all, it is clearly guilty of occupying territories that don't belong to it, but also, for the future American strategy in the Middle East, Washington has gotta get on with the Saudis and the Syrians and the Iranians. So Israel may have to do something. How far they will go, I do not know. But, I'm a lifelong member of the Labor Friends of Israel and so on, and so on, but the right of the Palestinians to their own state is as great as the right of the Israelis. And that has to be recognized. I think, if that was said by somebody of importance, if President Bush said, however long it takes, there will have to be a Palestinian State that would be more important than these strange maneuvers in Madrid, the exact import of which I cannot at the moment assess. But I think things are on the move and I think the Palestinians will get to first place autonomy and then out to a new state. And without it, the thing will go on, there'll be another Gulf War. And it'll go on and on, you can't deny it. Yes, oh, well, there are two more and then we'll stop, shall we? Yeah, I'm sorry. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Like, you mentioned that\r\n\r\n- Yeah.\r\n\r\n- And, I mean, very good at manipulating the UN to get support for it's own war. Do you see a change in the Security Council as it is right now where the major powers have veto powers and they can dictate what happens there?\r\n\r\n- Well, yes. The major powers don't really exist, do they? There's one superpower left now. And I followed as best I could the manipulation of the UN, the Russians needed American support and got a Saudi loan and that silence them, the Chinese were bought off by being forgiven. The French were all over the place, although they were a bit doubtful, but the Saudis lent them a billion dollars, I think, at a critical moment. The Germans are not a member of the Security Council, and so on. And I think the the purchase of support, I mean, literally purchase of support at that time, was what gave the United States its capacity to say, \"It was a UN war.\" It wasn't a UN war. I mean, Perez de Cuellar was never even told the fighting was gonna begin. So it didn't have anything to do with the UN Charter which provides for a Military Staff Committee and so on, and so on. But I think the old idea of the five permanent members, is probably obsolete Truthfully. I mean, it was at the end of the war based on the idea that the wartime allies, China, France, Britain, the United States and whatever the fifth one was, would be the permanent people and they would never use the UN against each other. But Britain is not a significant country now, neither is France. China is powerful but not in that sense, Japan wouldn't qualify if you went on size. So, my own view is we ought to move as I mentioned, towards the ideas which gave birth to our own very primitive democracies, of popular control of the executive, just as the Congress can overturn an American president's veto, so the General Assembly directly elected or however, should be able to overturn an American Presidential veto. Now, when you're moving into that area, you're really getting into the point where President Bush might wish to leave the United Nations, not just UNESCO, because that would be the challenge to American powers through the UN. But that's the route we should follow and the idea of planetary protection as the main sort of charter of the UN. We are there to protect the human race, the planet, so the human race can pass it on to future generations. That does merit a real international force and on that I would be a strong supporter. Now if that's the last question, Well, yes. Well, there are now two, how are we doing, one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/43223/file/116035#t=0.0,2462.064"}]}]}]}