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grass,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771#t=5423.19,5426.18"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771/transcript/28961/annotation/1576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You may bury my tongue at Champmedy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771#t=5426.18,5428.91"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771/transcript/28961/annotation/1577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I shall not be there, I shall rise and pass.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771#t=5428.91,5433.02"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771/transcript/28961/annotation/1578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bury my heart at Wounded Knee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771#t=5433.02,5436.03"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771/transcript/28961/annotation/1579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you very 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it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771#t=5470.03,5471.33"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771/transcript/28961/annotation/1586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Any questions you have on any subject under the sun,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771#t=5471.33,5475.26"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43678/file/116771/transcript/28961/annotation/1587","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about me or politics or anything I have some knowledge 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After I give my introduction, Mr. Kunstler will come up, speak for approximately an hour and then allowing questions to come from the floor. After we have about 15 minutes of questions, we will adjourn from this room and have a reception down in the pine room on the ground floor of the Memorial Union, where if you want to pick up a cup of coffee or a coke or something and bring it in, perfectly fine. And we will continue discussions and dealing with any issues that you had to bring forward at that time. So I think any of the needs that you have with regard to questions and the material that's presented tonight can generally be met by this format and I hope that everyone is satisfied. Bill Kunstler's life and the choices he has made present a complex, but rich statement. The statement from which a lot can be learned regardless of your values or your political persuasion, All of us are complex in one way or another, but there's a lot of disagreement on the nature of bill Kunstler's complexity. Some of his professional colleagues in the legal community contend that Bill Kunstler is a political opportunist. That he makes a circus out of the courtroom, that he's a media monger who sometimes is inefficient and misses meetings and deadlines, sometimes hurting his clients. But there are others who regard Bill Kunstler as the champion of the oppressed, as a friend at the black, the poor, the female, the political priors, as a person who believes with great strength in providing equal access to legal resources so that any individual can attempt to obtain justice. I'd like to review a few aspects of Bill Kunstler's life and the choices he has made. From these remarks and his present activities, you can judge for yourself. Nine years ago, Bill Kunstler and Leonard Wineglass represented the Chicago seven in the Chicago conspiracy trial. The seven hippie yuppies academics, political activists and a career pacifist were charged by the federal government with conspiring to incite riots. The federal government used what was called the H. Rap Brown statute or the 1968 Civil Rights Act. Bill Kunstler has called this a political trial, one in which the basic issue was freedom of speech. Individuals are brought to trial, not for their actions, but for what they may have been thinking. With his guidance, the defendants chose to go beyond the narrow confines of the criminal law and deal with the unconstitutionality of the statutes and the trial procedures themselves. The choices made so that the defendant could convey their philosophy and try to get to the underlying issues of the case. Now, the name Bill Kunstler at that time laced and punctuated conversations in nearly every American household. During the trial fewer than four days of the five months were consumed by political disruption. Yet the conspiracy trial became known for the confrontations between judge Julius Hoffman, the prosecuting attorneys and the seven with their defense attorneys. For Bill Kunstler, this was a period of deepening commitment to social change and to massive resistance to illegitimate authority. Let me use Bill Kunstler's words. He described the position he was then taking. \"If government can't solve all today's pressing problems, \"then perhaps it's time for the government \"to get out of the way and let someone else do it.\" Well despite the despair, despite the desperation of those times, Bill Kunstler remained forever an optimist. He believed at that time that there was still a chance for a more just and free society, for real change without violent revolution. In Bill's words, \"With unity, guts, stamina, expectation \"and constant stimulus to get people moving, \"we can turn history down a new path.\" Well, 1970 commitment and involvement were not new to Bill Kunstler. On June 16th, 1961, he witnessed the physical abuse and arrest by authorities of five black freedom writers in Jackson, Mississippi. At that moment he says he a illegal tradesman and became \"A person who was doing \"what he thought people ought to do with their lives.\" He chose to become a worker lawyer, attorney bio from Daniel Barragan who to himself as a worker priest. Worker lawyers are persons who use their skill to assist those whom they work with. They're not separated by professionalism, by education, by economic barriers, nor by status. They're not separated from the people with whom they work. From that point 18 years ago, Bill Kunstler has been a worker lawyer. The decade of the '70s, he predicted back in 1970 would be a decade of escalation by the left from protest to resistance. We all thought that the movement would persistent survive, but it hasn't, Bill Kunstler has. He has survived and he's still a worker lawyer. Even though he was not necessarily in the public eye, ind the last two and a half years, Bill Kunstler has made some remarks and he has worked on some cases which I might inform you about so you can be brought up to date. In October of 1976, Bill Kunstler said, \"Voting in the presidential election will be like voting \"for a frown or a clown.\" In June, 1977, Bill Kunstler argued in favor of voters rights to be represented by a candidate of their own choice, even if the candidate may have a criminal record. In both 1977 and continuing into 1978, Bill Kunstler defended the rights of a mother, an Indian who withdrew her 13 year old daughter from a junior high school because of racist remarks and treatment by the teacher and by the high school, junior high. The mother had been found guilty of child neglect. And in 1978 as defense attorney for Joanne Liddell, he has argued before the Supreme Court justice Thurgood Marshall to stop extradition from New York to North Carolina. Joanne had escape from prison where she relieved officials or where she believed officials were, in her words, conspiring to murder her. Also in 1978, judge Julius Hoffman entered Bill Kunstler's life again. In this case, it was through FBI documents made available through the Freedom of Information Act. It became clear that judge Hoffman and the prosecuting attorney, Thomas Foran conspired to provoke courtroom incidence and then find the Chicago seven and their defense attorneys in contempt of court. In summary, I should use Bill Kunstler's own words on the meaning of his life. Nine years ago, he said, \"Only by personal involvement \"can one justify existence, either to himself \"or to his fellow man.\" I think the record is clear, Bill Kunstler's life represents a thorough going commitment and involvement. And on behalf of Iowa state and the Ames community, I'd like to welcome Bill Kunstler.\r\n\r\n- Thank you very much. When he read those words of mine back in 1961, that fellow man and his et cetera, I think I've learned a little since then. And I never used the term man to indicate humanity any longer or his to personify any action of anybody. It was good to hear some of those words though they were written in 1961 when I was sort of a neophyte with Dr. King in trying cases in the deep South. And I put those words in the book which Martin did the forward called, \"Deep in my Heart.\" And it was a book when I reread it, is somewhat anachronistic. It's a different me a different time and a different philosophy on everything under the sun. But maybe tonight it's an appropriate night to be here. I've never had much love for many judges. And I had the deep pleasure of representing for the past month, a 71 year old Dauer Joe who lives in the Plaza Hotel in New York who was indicted for conspiring to kill a judge and was wiretapped by police officials in New York. And they had reams and reams of tapes. And she said so many wonderful things like every judge should be shot in some of her conversation, judges should die at dawn and the rest that I took the case. And just three hours ago, she was acquitted of a conspiracy to kill a judge. So I feel that maybe the circle has finally come around. I'm kind of happy to be back in Iowa, although I've never been here in the winter time before. So I say that was some misgivings. But some of you know I spent the entire summer of 1976 in a place called Cedar Rapids, which you must've heard about because it's the only place where you can breathe in oatmeal during the entire day, the Quaker oats plant being there. But I had the pleasure of representing the two native Americans who were accused of killing two FBI agents on the pine Ridge Indian Reservation, and who were acquitted by an Iowa jury before judge McMannis in Cedar Rapids two summers ago. But Iowa in the summer is somewhat different than Iowa in the winter. I found out this morning when I landed at Des Moines, because while New York gets occasional cold and occasional snow, it's been unusually warm in New York this year, very little snow. And Iowa seemed like a frozen waste as we dipped in over Des Moines. But I'm used to it now. I'm gonna buy a pair of gloves tomorrow. And I think I'll be in keeping with the times. But I am happy to be here. I don't I think I've been here before, although there's some question in my mind and other people's minds whether I have ever been at the university before. I had a kind of a feeling that I had been here because I can remember flying a plane. I charter a plane once in a while. Out of the airport here in Ames and getting caught in the downdraft of a 747 at Ohara International Airport and practically being shot at dawn by the controller, the air controller at that airport for disrupting activities over the airport. I don't fly anymore because I have a feeling that I'm not capable anymore of doing that 'cause I don't keep up with it and don't keep the hours up or anything. But I remember coming off the Ames airport. Now there's a little doubt in my mind, it could have been Davenport. But for some reason, I think it's Ames. Well, I'll check my old diaries, the ones that hadn't been stolen by the FBI. And perhaps I'll find out the answer, whether it was Ames or Davenport. The lecture Bureau that sends me around once in a while so I can earn enough to continue in my free practice of law. This worker lawyer concept that Daniel Berrigan introduced me to is one that works provided you can make an income somewhere else. And I've always been much too nervous to steal on a regular basis. So I have to do something else. And so I speak or write. So you are financing tonight, probably another month of my career around this country. But I try to make my living by not charging clients if I can avoid it. And by speaking, writing, whatever else you have to do as a white middle-class person to shake out a living in this country. And so every once in a while I leave Greenwich village where I live and I come out to Travis city, Michigan, or Ames, Iowa or other places along the trail and speak. Today, I had to leave while the jury was out, but it was very little for me to do once they were out. So I could do that. Sometimes it gets a little more hair-raising. When I go out for a night, as I did last week during the trial and get into Traverse city, Michigan where they had five feet of snow on the ground, another 15 came down that night. And then wonder weather the local airline hadn't been North central air is gonna get off the ground at five the next morning to get you to Detroit so you can get back to New York in time to be in court at 10 o'clock. It worked out all right, but it gives you some very uneasy nights in the one motel here or a motel there. The lecture Bureau always says that I'll speak on justice in America. And since I find very little of that, there's very little to speak about. So what I like to do tonight is to talk about what I think I know best of the popery of knowledge that I've acquired in 60 years. And that is essentially the political trial, the use in this country of the political trial or the use of the law as a device to do what may be the footpad and the assassin did in another day. Americans like Germans rely greatly on the law. And they like to dot every I and cross every T. And they regard the law with some sanctity and give it much more credence and credibility than they do the other two branches of government. They will attack presidents and governors and mayors and legislators, but the court team a little bit above all that. And since the courts have very nicely shrouded themselves with their own mysticism, the robes, the hushed voices, the raised bench, the gobbledygook of legalees and all the rest, they have managed to elude the scrutiny of the public. It's unfortunate because most of America's dirty work is done in the courts. But since the blood doesn't show on the carpets and since it all looks legal and there's a legal ring to it, most Americans accept it. If you've been tried and convicted or tried and acquitted, you must have been guilty or innocent. And the law is vindicated and there's very little scrutiny into what the law is all about and how it's used and how it's perverted, because it is the most easily pervertible branch of government. And it has been perverted in this country and all countries to achieve certain purposes of the corporate state or the establishment or whatever you wanna call it, the military industrial combine or anything in the way of nomenclature you wanna use. And it is so effective because most people believe in it. They cannot really bring themselves to disbelieve the 4th of July speeches about the common law and the Anglo-American tradition of jurisprudence. And the fact that defendants always get lawyers and all their rights descupacy observed and all the rest. This is all hogwash, even in your state of Iowa, where you probably regard yourself as maybe less criminal in a way than people in New York or these hotbeds of metropolitan urban centers. I just noticed that the United States Supreme Court refused to destroy by court ruling here in which a prosecutor sought to utilize the statement to a psychiatrist of a criminal defendant. And to introduce that into evidence against him as a confession, something that seems quite unthinkable. And it must've been pretty bad because even our Supreme Court thought it was bad. And if the Berger court thinks anything is bad, it has to be really stinko, believe me. And then I noticed that in this great state, the power of the Commonweal is being used to prevent a young woman from nursing her baby in between fires in a firehouse. It seems to me a rather ridiculous determination. I'm sure if the baby's Papa wanted to feed the baby with a milk bottle in the firehouse, there'd be no eyebrows raised at all. But since the mother wants to nurse the child in the firehouse, all the macho instincts come into play. And I guess the slogan shall be engraved forever on the flag of Iowa, \"There shall be no tits in the firehouse.\" I don't know, but it seems to me that Linda Eaton is fighting a rather courageous fight and I have to admire her for it. In any event to get back to the subject at hand, we have a legal system that perverts itself regularly, that doesn't deserve any of the honors, which it is accorded, certainly subconsciously by most Americans, that is dirty and dangerous and frequently murders literally and figuratively. And it does so whenever it can be utilized to keep the status quo intact. And the purpose of any political trial. And the political trial, I guess, is best to find as it was defined here tonight, it's a trial which essentially has a primary purpose that is different than the purpose, which is announced generally. The vindication of the criminal law or what have you. The purpose of any political trial is to achieve an end that the state desires for the benefit of the state or whatever you wanna call it. And all political trials have much the same format. They generally have three purposes. The first of course is to silence any voice that is a descending voice or a feared voice. And the second is to destroy or inhibit or terrorize or intimidate the people who are inclined to follow that voice or subscribe to it. And then lastly, to unite the silent majority behind the state You remember our late lamented Richard I use that phrase, \"the silent majority\" in the speech which he gave, not realizing that that was the designation in the need for the dead. And used it as defining mainly people who lived in Iowa and Kansas or wherever you wanna call middle America of which there is no such animal, but which in the the eyes of Nixon, represented the solid base of his support. The middle of the country, the farm states and so on. A good example of a political trial, one of the best I think and one which is probably familiar to everybody in the room took place in 33 AD. And that was the trial of Jesus for a number of crimes. And before we come up to modern days, let's study that trial because it's really a worthwhile trial and I would invite everybody that knows nothing about it and that's almost everybody, to look at Matthew and to analyze the trial as he portrays it. Of all the gospels, I think Matthew is probably the most accurate, because as you know Luke wasn't even born at the time. Mark was 14 years old and John was quite a ethereal and couldn't bring himself to discuss the trial in any great detail at all. But Matthew being a realist and a pragmatist did discuss the trial at great length. And the interesting thing about the trial is that embodies all three these purposes and accomplished all three of the purposes, probably a perfect political trial. Christ, as you recall, was a troublemaker of no mean proportions. He was undoubtedly a communist with a small C. He was saying such things as keep only that of which thou hast need and give the rest to thy brethren. Or it is as difficult for a rich man to pass into the kingdom of heaven, as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. He had broken into the temple and with stick in hand, had chased out the money lenders. In my state Of New York, that would be assault with a dangerous weapon, which would be a 10 year minimum penalty if convicted. He had raised Mary Magdalen, a prostitute out of the dust and defended her against the mob. He was just a mean guy and a dangerous man in a society which was certainly capitalistic to put it mildly, where a power group known as the Sanhedrin ran the affairs of the Hebrews and where a voice like Jesus's was dangerous to the ruling class. So he had to be found and exterminated. Now ordinarily, even in those days as in our days, if you could do this by killing him without a trial, it would have been done. After all of that, it had been done to John the Baptist just years before. We do it here too as you know. Kent state is just one example, Jackson state is another and there were scores of others. My Lai four and My Lai five, et cetera. We kill people if we can get away with it. But in the main, if there's too much publicity and too too many followers and too many supporters and too many people know about it, we don't kill via the traditional method, we use the courts. So with Christ, that's how it came about. They couldn't do with him what Herod had done with John the Baptist, cut off his head and presented to Salome as a gift, because one, Christ had many more followers than John the Baptist who did not have many. And secondly, they couldn't find him and they didn't know what he looked like. So there was a real problem with Jesus. He was a troublemaker, he was dangerous, he was unlocatable. However, then as now, there's always a way to find somebody if you want. And a little money spread around does it. And so 30 pieces of silver was spread around and one of the disciples, Judas Iscariot jumped at the bait. And he said that he would identify Christ for 30 pieces of silver and that he would do it with a kiss. And that all the soldiers had to do was watch him and arrest the man he kissed. And so he kissed Christ after the last supper, the authorities captured him and they had their voice. Just parenthetically, Judas Iscariot was not as bad as some of you may think. He was much better than the modern informers who take the loot and run, he went back to the Sanhedrin and he gave them back the 30 pieces of silver. And he asked that his master be returned to him. But the Sanhedrin knew they had a dangerous voice and they weren't going to disturb the bargain. So they refused. And Iscariot went up on a mountain top and hanged himself. Meanwhile, the Sanhedrin had 30 pieces of silver, which they didn't know what to do with. And so they invested it in the first potter's field in Jerusalem called the field of blood. And the first body buried in the field of blood, of course is the man who earned those 30 pieces of silver, Judas Iscariot. And if you're ever in the Holy city, go to the field of blood and you can find the grave of Judas Iscariot and many others who have succeeded him into that ground. But in any event, they had the voice and Christ was captured. Number one objective reached. Number two, the intimidation or deterring of the followers, that worked very well. Those of you that know the Bible know that in Matthew and all the gospels, that the disciples fled, that even Simon called Peter who was the heir apparent, three times before the crowed in the night that Christ was taken, disowned him, as Christ had prophesized he would. People pointed out Peter and said he was with the man. And Peter said, \"Me, I never knew the man, \"wouldn't be seen with him.\" And the rest of the disciples as soon as the trial was over, sped out of the courtroom each saying to the other, save thyself. And in fact the whole movement went underground, whether it was in the catacombs of Rome or in the middle East, or what have you. And many people think that, but for the salesmanship of Saul, St. Paul, who was a Roman citizen, who returned to Rome, who managed to get a place on the Roman emperor's payroll and then began this very heavy traveling and writing schedule, which resulted in such things as the epistles to the Corinthians and others, he managed to keep the spirit going, keep the religion alive. But for him, many people think that the word Christian would not be known today. So purpose number two was essentially achieved, certainly in that time. Purpose number three was the uniting of the populous behind the ruling class, and that was very easily done as it almost always is because proof of it is contained in Matthew. Because Pontius Pilate said that he had to condemn men in his dungeons. Two men condemned to death. One was Christ and the other was a cutthroat by the name of Barabas. Barabas' crime was killing a Roman soldier and stealing his purse. And on the Passover, the Jewish Passover, Pilate had accustomed that he would release one condemn person, but the Jews had to select that person. And if you read Matthew, you'll find that when the choice came, the Sanhedrin ran among the people saying, \"Call for Barabas and not Christ.\" And of course that's what they did. Barabas came forth, disappeared into the obscurity of that period and Christ went to Golgotha. Now, the accusation against Christ was a very interesting one, because the first charge was a charge that he had conspired to dynamite the temple. The charge of destroying a public building is very often used in political trials. More recently, we had the Reichstag fire trial by the Nazis in 1934, you had the trial of Henry Barnett for the so-called conspiracy to destroy the houses of parliament in 1604, which was prevented by this so-called mythical Guy Fawkes who was supposed to have discovered the burning bombs. Now they have November 4th of every year, Guy Fawkes day in England, where they shoot up fireworks to commemorate the fact that he prevented fireworks in 1604. But Christ was accused of a plot to dynamite the temple. Now there may be skeptics among you who start to figure out that maybe they didn't have dynamite in the year 33 AD and you'd be right, because dynamite wasn't invented until Alfred Nobel did that in the middle of the 19th century, then spent the of his life and his fortune expiating his sin by giving out Nobel prizes for peace. But in any event, the charge against Jesus was that he had pointed to the temple and he had said, \"I will destroy that building \"and with my own hands, rebuild it in three days.\" Because he had written in a book, I think called \"Do it.\" That the first thing we do is we kill our parents. And that was given literal significance by the authorities. And one of the overt acts charged against him was he had said that. But of course Christ had said the same thing, because Christ had said, \"Think not, I am come with peace, \"but a sword, I have come to separate mother from daughter \"and father from son.\" Which was much the same thing as Jerry was saying. As well, it really means you have to separate the generations and prevent the inhibition of the young by the old, which is what Christ was saying and what Rubin was saying. But that was the charge against Jesus. The problem with the charge is they couldn't prove it. And Matthew talks about false witnesses coming forth and contradicting each other. And it looked as if he would be acquitted. And you cannot lose a political trial, the government cannot lose it without losing some face. So Caiaphas who was the head of the Sanhedrin decided to intervene. And he went up to Christ and he said, \"Thou has said thou art the son of God.\" And Christ said, \"Thou has said it.\" And Caiaphas says, \"Aha, we have you.\" There being no privilege against self-incrimination, that wasn't invented for another 1,607 years. They had him, his own words were blasphemy. So they changed the charge to blasphemy. He was convicted and he was sent for execution, crucifixion being the method in those days. So they had everything, they had inhibited the followers, they had united the silent majority, and they had gotten rid of the voice. It's a perfect political trial, it follows all of the paraphernalia and the ingredients of any political trial, whether it's Socrates, whether it's Angela Davis, whether it's Sacco and Vanzetti, whether it's Eugene Debs, whether it's Erin Barr, whatever. They all follow the same route and the same method. So let's put Jesus aside for the moment because that trial after all this 1,950 odd years ago and really doesn't affect us too much today in any, but the religious sense. Let's take some other trials and see how this process is used contemporaneously, because it's used regularly, not only in this country, but in other countries. But we use it maybe more than most because we're a very litigious country, as to Tocqueville said, \"Almost every controversy \"ends up in America in the courts.\" So what I decided to do was to take some trials, a couple of which I participated in, some I did not. But take some trials around a certain issue and make them very modern trials and try to show how the Christ trial is no different in essence than these. And so I took the anti-war movement as kind of a base for this because it's relatively near and most of the trials are well-known and they fit the analysis very well. I could have taken the black Panthers, I could have taken the communist party, I could have taken the labor movement, the American Indian movement, the communists, the Wobblies, the abolitionists. You can go back in every period, there's always a hated class and always political trials to suppress and vanquish them if possible. But the anti-war movement is close. And I think fits the analysis very well. The anti-war movement in this country began in about 1965. Some of you may recall those that lived a little longer than others, that in 1954 after the battle of Dien Bien Phu in Vietnam, in which Ho Chi Minh had conquered the French and thrown them out of the country. The nations of the world met at Geneva. And since Vietnam had two separate parts, North and South and since one was a communist state, and one was a non communist state, the question arose how to prevent civil war from breaking out because Ho Chi Minh was fresh from his conquest of the French and it looked as if there would be resistance in the South to a takeover. And the idea came about to have an international conference and how to avoid civil war. Out of that conference came in agreement that there would be elections in all of Vietnam in 1956. The United States was present at the conference but did not become a signatory to what was later called the Geneva Accord. Instead, the United States plotted to destroy the accord. And in 1956, the early part of the year, the president of United States being a pleasant daddy Warbucks type individual by the name of Dwight David Eisenhower sent a Colonel, a green berret Colonel Edward Lansdale to Vietnam with a team of covert operatives, people in the army who work in civilian clothes, work underground. And they were given orders to poison the Hanoi water supply. And they did very effectively. 23 babies died and one grandmother. But the important point about it was that they would leave behind indicia showing that it was South Vietnamese troops who had sneaked up and done the dirty work and North Vietnam believed that it was South Vietnamese troops. The roose worked. And when it worked, the lives of over a million people were doomed, including 55,000 Americans, because that brought on the very civil war that it was hope would result from it. And the United States began to support South Vietnam and other nations began to support North Vietnam, communist states. In 1963, John Kennedy then being president United States broke another accord. There was an agreement after civil war broke out that no nation would have more than 864 observers in Vietnam and that they would all be non-combatant observers. Mr. Kennedy, without telling the American people sent in the first 18,000 combat troops into Vietnam using those flying box cars, those C134s to do so, and so inaugurated what became known as Mr. Johnson's war, but was in reality, probably Dwight David Eisenhower's war and John Kennedy's war. And then you had the acceleration, leading to the maximum troop input of half a million by 1965, early '65. Lyndon Johnson in running for president in '64 lied blatantly that there would be no increase in troop strength. He had already signed the executive order as had Kennedy before him, when he sent the combat troops in authorizing half a million. By the way, if all of this doesn't sound reasonable to you, you haven't read the Pentagon papers. It's all there, the Lonsdale visit, the poisoning of Hanoi water supply, the combat troops by John Kennedy, the lying by Lyndon Johnson, et cetera. It's all there in papers which then defense secretary McNamara assembled and call the Pentagon papers. In 1965, there was an undercurrent, a swell in this country that something was rotten in Vietnam and that there ought to be protest against it. The people who led this initial feeling were so-called intellectuals. They were led by a man who probably is weaned everybody in this room, Benjamin Spark. And Spark and William Sloane Coffin who was then the chaplain of Yale University and some Jewish intellectuals from Boston and Washington were charged with a conspiracy to subvert the youth of America. Very similar to Socrates who was charged with the same conspiracy, except it was the youth of Athens. The charges were that six men Spark and company had conspired together to advise young men to avoid the selective service system and resist the draft as a protest against the war in Vietnam. Conspiracy needs a word before we go on. Conspiracy is a very nebulous legal device that nobody really quite understands, whether it be lawyers or lay people. Justice Jackson when he was on the Supreme Court said it's the darling of the prosecutors nursery, because it requires very little proof. It's not a crime of doing something, it's not a crime of trying to do something, it's a crime of thinking about doing something. And you don't even have to think yourself, they will provide a Judas Iscariot who will come forward and say, \"I heard him think about it.\" Or \"I heard her think about it.\" And the joy of it is you can place the trial in any place you wish, because all you need is to create what they call an overt act, a telephone call, mailing a letter, et cetera. And you can place the trial in any place in which the government alleges an overt act took place. So with Spark and company, they placed it in Boston. They thought that what better place to try Jews and Protestants than an Irish Catholic Boston. And that's where they placed it. You will notice later on that they didn't place the Barragan trial there because they were Irish Catholics. And that's not the proper place to do it, you wanna put them where there are no Catholics and that's exactly where they were tried. But in any event, not to get ahead of the story, they tried them in Boston. Five were convicted. The Judas Iscariot were all FBI agents. Not very deeply hidden people. I can remember Ben Spark calling me one night saying, \"There are two FBI agents here, Bill, \"they said they wanna talk to me.\" And I said, \"Ben, do not speak to them. \"Don't let them in your house. \"Don't give them chair room, send them away. \"Give them the name of Leonard Boudin, your lawyer. \"Don't do it.\" He said, \"I can't do that, I'm an American citizen. \"These are representatives of the government. \"They'll think I'm guilty if I don't talk to them.\" And all the other liberal wishy-washy thinking about the FBI and he let these criminals into his house. And they were the chief witnesses against him. Every word he said to these minions of the law, these protectors of our rights and liberties was given right back to J Edgar Hoover, became part of reports and used for the indictment. In the even five were convicted, one was acquitted. The five convictions were eventually reversed for gross judicial error. And the government never tried them again. Not that they didn't want to, but in the interim of this trial took place, there were new forces on the horizon which were much more powerful than the intellectual Protestants and Jews. Because the movement had gone in essence in another direction. It was now into the streets and they chose eight more defendants. And this time they weren't the Sparks and the Coffins, this time, they were black Panthers, Bobby Seale, Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin representing the Yippies or the youth international party. It was Tom Hayden and Rennie Davis representing the left SDS and so on. There was a professor, John Froines in the university of Oregon and there was a graduate sociology student from Northwestern University by the name of Lee Wiener. They represented the new forces who were in the streets now. And they were tried in Chicago. The ostensible crime was crossing state lines to disrupt the democratic national convention in 1968. The real crime of course was the same as Ben Spark, was advocacy. of opposition to the war in Vietnam. They placed this one in Chicago, where else. That's where the convention was, but that's where mayor Daley reign supreme. And that's where they thought they could get the type of jury that would be needed to convict. So they tried them in Chicago and that was Chicago conspiracy trial, conspiracy to cross state lines under what they call the Rap Brown statute to cause disruption at the democratic national convention. All of the informants were not FBI agents any longer, they'd gone beyond that. The informants were all undercover people. They had hired, for example, television cameraman and television radio broadcasters. They had a member of the Chicago police department elected as chairman of the Chicago council of veterans for peace. And all of these people came forward and testified that the defendants had said this or said that and conspired and so on. But because the trial took six months, because the judge was so outrageous, because the prosecutor was so outrageous, the jury acquitted of conspiracy. Even a Chicago jury couldn't take what went on in that courtroom. We all went to jail for contempt and I had the dubious distinction of having the longest contempt charge in the history of American jurisprudence, four years in 13 days. I only served two weeks of it in the Cook County jail and reorganize the whole filing system for that institution for the then warden, whom I saw the other day was indicted for stealing food money at the Cook County jail. But that's another story. And so the Chicago trial ended, it didn't work. They were acquitted of the main charges and the contempts were themselves reversed by an appellate court, which found out of the 73 grounds of error that we put in our briefs, found that 72 them had been proved and held that the convictions were wrong and reversed them. But time had gone by and there was another force on the horizon. And that was the Catholic anti-war movement, the Catholic peace movement. And so the government went back to the drawing boards and they came up with probably their most imaginative conspiracy charge. This conspiracy charge said in essence, that on Washington's birthday, 1971, and Lord knows which ones since we had two that year, Catholic nuns and priests were going to fan out through the steam pipes of Washington DC, the subterranean heating pipes armed with five hand grenades which they got from dissident troops in Vietnam. And they were gonna blow up the junction boxes so that Washington lost all it's heat. And that all of the government buildings would close down, all of the officials except the most cold-blooded which probably meant cabinet rank officials only, would go home and do whatever people do on cold days to keep warm while the city would be prostrate at the feet of these Roman Catholics. The next day they would get on the white house tour line and probably then is now the white house was not heated by steam, but by forced hot air. And they would be on that line and they would take the trip. They would see the ballast stride and the swimming pool and the oval room and where Dolly Madison fought off the British soldiers and so on and so forth. And then as they came on the second floor, they would peel off like Phantom jets and go into Henry Kissinger's second story office. Henry Kissinger then was the president's advisor on foreign affairs, not the secretary of state, theoretically, anyway. Someone named William Rogers was the secretary of state, but he was for all practical purposes covering that function as well. They would peel off from the tour line, go into the the office, bind Henry in skedaddle cloth and take him out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue disguised as a Dominican friar. This is not my scenario, please. I don't have the imagination to dream this one up. He would be taken in a waiting taxi cab to a friendly convent in Anacostia where he'd be putting the basement presumably to learn elemental catechism, while a letter maybe in Latin would be sent to his majesty at the white house. And the letter would say in words or substance, \"We've got Henry Kissinger. \"If you don't stop the bombing of the North \"and set a date for the withdrawal of American troops \"from Vietnam fraught Henriquez, soon mortis will be.\" That was the plot. Where did the government put the trial, in Washington, DC? Of course not. Well, you have Georgetown University, Catholic University, American University where it's the center of all transportation, where the entire world's press Corps is, where there are plenty of blacks and plenty of Catholics. No, they put it in a place called Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. or harassberg as the defendants were referred to it. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania was ideal. First of all, there were no Catholics, 2% of the population is Catholic. The Protestant population is mainly fundamentalist Protestant religions, Mennonites, Amish, and so on. Secondly, there are no universities or colleges within 37 miles. And the only one that's within 37 miles is Carlisle College where Jim Thorpe, the famous Indian athlete went. Except now it's known as the Carlisle Army War College. And there weren't going to be many supporters of the defendants coming out of that institution. There are no blacks, no students, agony airlines has a morning flight and an evening flight. There was a mail train and a mill train. But best of all 80% of the area's income comes from the Bethlehem steel plan at Steelton, just a few miles down the Sasquatch from Harrisburg where all of the tank treads for the army and the Marine Corps were being manufactured. It's solid Republican territory, it's the capital of Pennsylvania. It's a relatively rural, it's a great place to try priests and nuns, somewhat tarnished. And that's where they put it. How did they get it into Harrisburg? A letter was alleged to have been mailed by sister Elizabeth McAllister from a post office in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania. Lewisburg being within the middle district of Pennsylvania where Harrisburg is situated. And so they put it there thinking it would be isolated from everybody. They wouldn't put this one in Boston, even though there were plenty of context with Boston. They wouldn't put it in Washington or New York or any of the other places where the conspiracy allegedly had touched. Harrisburg. You'll notice there were eight defendants at Harrisburg. There were eight defendants in Chicago and you'll find there are eight defendants in the next case. And I asked Ramsey Clark who was co-counsel in the Harrisburg case, why it was generally eight defendants in these conspiracy cases. After all he'd been the attorney general, he must had something about what goes on in the government. And he said, \"Well, that's the most defendants \"you can get around a typical government table.\" And I guess that's true. In Boston, there are small tables, so they had six. But eight in Chicago, eight and Harrisburg. And you'll find eight in Gainesville when we get to the Gainesville eight. But in any event, the trial took place in Harrisburg all during the late winter and spring of '72. And the witness this time was a man by the name of Boyd Douglas. They didn't use FBI agents and they didn't use cameraman and they didn't use undercover cops in the peace movement. They found themselves a wonderful Judas Iscariot, Boyd Douglas. Boyd was in Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary where he was doing his third stint for the crime of impersonating an army officer for fun and profit. What Boyd would do would be he had a mimeograph machine. If you have a mimeograph machine or a Xerox you can practically conquer the world. He had a mimeograph machine and he would run off orders on it, which he created himself. Proceed to the quartermaster depot at a certain city, pick up 4,000 watches, 4,000 blankets, pop tents, whatever chronometers and all the rest. And then he would load them in the back of a khaki colored pickup truck and go to the next town and fence them out. He wasn't very good at it. He was doing his third term for this occupation when J Edgar Hoover, I'm sure you remember J Edgar, the guardian of all our rights and liberties who was probably as big a crook as we've ever produced in the history of this country. A murderer and incitement to murderer, the man who tried to despoil the reputation of Martin Luther King, who tried to get him to commit suicide, who committed every crime that you can possibly think of. And yet they named the building in Washington after him now, the J Edgar Hoover building. He was never quite like FM embolus, believe me. There were hidden areas to this man which I don't think have all come out at this writing, but I'm sure we'll as time goes by. And as long as we have the Freedom of Information Act. But J Edgar summoned under his August presence, Boyd Douglas. And he said, Boyd, and the outlined the great conspiracy plot. \"You heard Phillip Berrigan say that, didn't you \"when he was in Lewisburg prison.\" And Boyd said in words of substance, \"What's it to you.\" \"Well, what will it take for you to say that \"in a courtroom?\" \"Well, I want $15,000, I wanna live off campus \"and I want a four year scholarship to Bucknell University.\" Mr. Hoover got him down to 8,500, but got him the four year scholarship. And he was able to live in an apartment in Lewisburg and no longer in that foreboding Federal Penal Institution, maximum security institution in Lewisburg. He got on the stand in Harrisburg and he told the story, which I've told you about the blowing up of the steam pipes, the going on the visitors line at the white house, all of this scenario. And as he told it, he said that he had heard of all of this from Phillip Berrigan in Lewisburg Penitentiary. Now, Phillip Berrigan had been in Lewisburg Penitentiary. I represented Phillip at Katensville and he was convicted of burning draft records. He was also convicted of pouring blood over draft records at the customs house in Baltimore. And he had some six years to do. And the thing we notice most intently, however, was that on the day that Phillip Berrigan was supposed to have relayed this vital information to Boyd Douglas, Philip was in the Dan Barry Federal Correctional Institution, some 300 miles to the North. And we couldn't see how a jury could believe that his voice would carry 300 miles. Two jurors did. Two jurors voted to convict, 10 voted to acquit, and it was a mistrial. And of course the government wouldn't dare to bring the charges again. So they were out. But again, time had passed. They had tied down the Catholic left just as they tied down in the Chicago eight, just as they tied down Ben Spark and company. But now another force had come into view and that was something called the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, VVAW. These were returning vets from Vietnam who had bended together, thrown their metals in the face of the Congress and were organizing chapters both in Vietnam and in the United States to protest the war in Vietnam. And they were very effective proselytizers. They were couldn't be called slackers or draft evaders. They were people like Ron Kovic. If you've read Ron Kovic's book, \"I Was Born on the 4th of July\" which I think Al Pachino will play in the movie. He was a paraplegic who stepped on a landmine in Vietnam and blown up his spine. There were many like this who had come back, wounded, purple hearts, one with a congressional medal of honor, many with silver stars, bronze star and all of that. And they were having a marked effect. And therefore they had to be stopped. And so another conspiracy trial. This one, exactly the same as Chicago, a conspiracy to disrupt the Republican national convention in '72, which took place in Miami. And the indictment there read that they had conspired to come into the convention and with slingshots, crossbows, cherry bombs and something called wrist rocket launchers, they were going to disrupt the Republican convention. Where was the trial placed, again a conspiracy trial, again eight, not in Miami where all the dirty work was supposed to been done, but they placed it in Gainesville, Florida. The government regarded Gainesville as safe redneck territory. This was North Florida, this was Ku Klux Klan territory, this was just under Georgia and there no more racist place than South Georgia and North Florida. Believe me, I've lost a lot of my hide in both places from time to time. And they thought that would be the place to convict them. But they forgot one thing. They forgot that also in Gainesville is an institution called the University of Florida. And it also seemed that most people in the University of Florida had registered to vote more than the rednecks and that therefore they were on the voting rolls and ergo, they were on the jury rolls. And so the jury that was selected contained mainly University of Florida people, nine of them, students and instructors at the university and the other three were more or less neutrals. And the average age of that jury was 33 compared to 52 in Harrisburg and 56 in Chicago and 61 in Boston. There was a trial of some seven weeks. The chief witness was, again, someone like Boyd Douglas, only a little more pathetic. It was a man named William Lemur who was a return vet from Vietnam and a member of VVAW. But a man who had enormous psychiatric difficulties. He'd been sectioned dated out of the army for mental problems and then joined VVAW. And they somehow persuaded him to take the stand and testify as to this alleged conspiracy. He broke down on the stand, he admitted he had lied. He couldn't make sense. He was really a pathetic mental basket case. And the jury retired and was back in 68 minutes of which 60 had been spent eating the last free meal that they would get on the U.S. government. It took eight minutes to distribute the paper for the ballots and to receive them back and count the 12 times. And they were acquitted of the charges. There was your VVAW threat. I've eliminated a lot of others that many of you may know 'cause I'm taking the most prominent or ones I know the most about. The last trial, the fifth trial was probably the most despicable of all because in a sense, it was somewhat different than the other four and doesn't quite fit the voice memoirs, the memorandum from Colonel Lansdale, all of the documents that you could find that related to our involvement in Vietnam from 1956 on. And they were known as the McNamara file or more popularly, the Pentagon papers. All of a sudden one day, the New York times, the St. Louis Post Dispatch and the Washington Post began to print the McNamara's papers. The government became incense, the truth was coming out. And what is worse for any government than the truth coming up. And so the United States intervened and moved to enjoin the publication of those papers. The Supreme Court refused to do so, citing freedom of speech, freedom of press, et cetera. The contradictions of the system got in the way of preventing the publication of the papers, but the government was determined to punish very publicly those who had released those papers on the theory that they could salvage that war, on the theory that they could denigrate the entire peace movement and show that they were really composed of a bunch of crooks. And so they indicted two men, Daniel Ellsberg, a former captain, and a hawk about the war originally in the Marine Corps and Anthony Russo. Anthony Russo's role in this was somewhat interesting. Ellsberg got the papers. And while some of us know how that was accomplished sufficit to say that he got them. Tony Russo, like Boyd Douglas had access to a reproducing machine. Tony worked for the Rand Corporation, a think tank in Santa Monica, California. And Tony had a magnificent Xerox and the key to the room in which it was kept. So the Xerox five copies of the papers before they put the back. Three copies went to the papers I've discussed, one went to Russo and one went to Ellsberg. The government brought a conspiracy charge against both men saying that they had conspired to violate the classification laws of the United States. Those laws that relate to top secret confidential and all the rest. The trial was set in the central district of California in Los Angeles. They had very little choice there because everything had happened in that district. The mailing out to the papers, the mimeograph xeroxing of the papers and all the rest. The case was brought before a federal judge by the name of William Byrne, William Matthew Byrne. He was the son of another federal judge and he was a young man, 42. As the trial progressed, it became obvious that the government was sinking to new lows because among other things, it came out before judge Byrne that the plumbers, you remember the plumbers, they aren't the people to fix your pipes, but the very esoteric group that was authorized to break in and commit burglaries and all the rest. They had stolen Ellsberg's psychiatric profile from his psychiatrist in Los Angeles, Dr. Feeling. It was also discovered during the trial that the lawyers had been wiretapped by the government while they were planning the defense of the charges. It was also discovered that evidence had been destroyed by the government, that witnesses had been intimidated and that false documents have been given to the defense of the documents they were required to get. If that wasn't enough, something else happened, which is probably the lowest we've ever sunk that I know about. A bribe was given to the offer to the judge. The judge was called to San Clemente. This place we purchased for one of our presidents and there he was offered the job after the trial, of course of the directorship of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. At that time, the occupant of that office was a man whose name you may recall, L Patrick Gray, now a criminal defendant. But L Patrick Gray was then the acting director of the FBI. His confirmation was pending in the Senate. While it was pending, it was discovered he had burned John Dean's file of the Watergate documents. And there were some senators who felt that it wasn't good to have as an FBI director a man who burned evidence in a criminal trial, that there was something inimical to that situation. And so it looked likely that he would not be confirmed even by our Senate, which is used to a great deal of the off color type of situation. But this would be too much for them, the president knew. And so he decided to bride Byrne with it. Byrne said, and this was on a Saturday afternoon. He said, \"I'd like a week to think about it.\" His caution flags had gone up, he knew it was a bride. Imagine if Ellsberg's father-in-law who owned the, I think he owns the Marx toy company, rather wealthy toy company had gone to the judge during the trial and said, \"Listen judge, when the case is over, \"I will offer you the job of president \"of the Marx toy company. \"Get 100,000 a year et cetera. \"It has nothing to do with the case. \"But when the case is over, you know he'd be looking \"for bail money.\" Well, that's what the president of United States tried to do with Byrne. The following Saturday, Anthony Russo, whose apartment during the trial backed onto MacArthur park in Los Angeles. And those of you that have been in MacArthur park know that it's a place for freaks in the main. He was shaving with a straight razor which Tony still uses at his bathroom window, which looks out on MacArthur park when his hand quivered and he almost cut his carotid artery with a blade 'cause they're sitting in the marijuana fumes in MacArthur park in between the guitar players, et cetera, was judge Byrne. And next to him was a man who now has become known as the best friend the Indians ever had, then the president's advisor on domestic affairs, most recently, a bridegroom in a Baskin Robbins ice cream parlor in New York, John Ehrlichman, you remember him, John Ehrlichman was there. What could they be talking about? Remember Ehrlichman represents the executive branch, which is the prosecutor in any federal case. The attorney general prosecutes member of the cabinet. The judge represents the judicial branch. How could they be talking together, what could they be talking about? The next Monday, the lawyer stood up in court and said, judge Byrne, we'd like an explanation of your conduct. You were sitting with the other side. What was it about? Judge Byrne turned white, left the bench. A half an hour later, he came back with a piece of paper. He said, \"I am dismissing this prosecution \"for governmental misconduct.\" And recited everything except the bribe. He recited the wiretapping of the lawyers, Dr. Feeling's office being broken into and the psychiatric profile of Ellsberg being stolen and so on. It was the first time in American history that any federal prosecution has been dismissed for governmental criminality. It wasn't the only time because just a year later, the case against Russell Means and Dennis Banks in St. Paul, Minnesota was dismissed for exactly the same reason by chief judge Nickel. But then it was a first. And so the Ellsberg Russo trial came to an end. So here you have these five trials all relating in one way or another to the protest against the war in Vietnam, all relating to different people involved in different ways in that protest. And while all in the main were victories of a legal sort, they were in essence Pyrrhic victories, because it's hard to be organized against the war in Vietnam and you're sitting in Chicago courtroom six days a week for six months. It's hard to do anything but organized for the trial. It's hard for nuns and priests to be on the street when they have to be in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, or for veterans. And this was the leadership of the veterans. These were all the voices, remember. You have Spark and Coffin. You have the Chicago defendants, you have the Berrigans and company in Harrisburg, the leadership of VVAW in Gainesville and Russo and Ellsberg who, while not leadership in the peace movement was certainly strong voices in the peace movement. So you had all of these voices attacked, put in jeopardy, lashed down in courtrooms at the very time they should have been on the streets of this country. But I have to admit they were legal victories because no one went to jail, everyone came forth and the cases on the legal side were wins. But the essential fact of the matter is that the courtroom was being used in every one of those instances, and scores more to accomplish a political, rather than a legal purpose. You can see the same thing with the American Indian movement. I haven't pinpointed that movement, but you people living in this area where some of these trials took place, at least one of them, the trial Lyndon Crowdo took place in Cedar Rapids. But who know that these trials were scattered all throughout the eighth circuit of which Iowa's a apart. Know that the American Indian movement voices were also pinning right after wounded knee in much the same type of situation. Those who remember the American labor movements and its beginnings, no that Samuel Gompers and Eugene Debs and others, well, likewise pinned down. Charges then were criminal syndicalism. Yet the real purpose of course, was to destroy a new movement. And then if you go further back, you can pick up case after case, whether it's Tom Mooney in California, or Sacco and Vanzetti in Dedham, Massachusetts, or scores of others in on every area of the country in every era of the country's existence. You can substitute for Russo and Barragan and Hoffman. You can substitute Angela Davis, Rap Brown, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, and scores about is white, black, Chicano, Puerto Rican, American radical, communist party and so on, in which courtrooms were used to do the dirty work of the system. Some of you may recall the Haymarket trial in Chicago where the anarchist movement was treated the same way, Or the Smith acts addition cases, where the communist party was the intended target, et cetera. And that is an American tradition, to take these courtrooms and turn them into political vehicles and utilize them to give a legal stamp of extermination to a burgeoning movement. The Germans understood this very well. There wasn't a Jew that went to a concentration camp but that there wasn't a Nazi court decree. I went to Dakar and some of you may have gone there and know that the administration building is still existent where you can trace the records and the convictions of every Abraham and Sarah as Jews were named or Jacob and Sarah, whatever that real names happened to be and find these decrees, very formal decrees with ribbons and seals and all the rest. And this pension for legality is a pension I think that all organized societies have, that if it has the seals and the ribbons and it has a court decree, it must be legitimate. And therefore we can't really protest it. We could raise hell if they murdered people in the streets and have, but if it's done judicially, unless you can break it out in some way like the Wilmington 10 in North Carolina. If it's done judicially, the public is prone to accept it. And yet it is a commonplace perversion that occurs in this country regularly. I hesitate to say day in and day out, but I'm probably not far off if I made that statement. All you have to do is follow the cases, or better still, read the Church report, Frank Church's report of Idaho for the committee on governmental operations to investigate the intelligence activities of the FBI and others who pinpointed the use by the Bureau of courts to destroy. It used many other methods, but courts were used constantly by the FBI. In fact Church says many of the defendants never realized when they went to trial that the Bureau had gotten to the judge first. And that was true throughout this country. We just discovered, and it was mentioned in my introduction that in Chicago, the prosecutor and judge Hoffman and the chief judge of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois had conspired together to hold in contempt. And that these plans were laid six months before we ever entered the courtroom in Chicago. And that judge William Campbell, who was the chief judge, now a retired judge became a confidential FBI informant and was leaking to the Bureau, which of course is an arm of the prosecution what happened in our private lawyers meetings which had been wiretapped. Imagine a federal judge as a common former. Those documents that have all of that in it came to us through the Freedom of Information Act. And fortunately the new agents in the Bureau don't understand what happened 10 years ago. Usually when you get your FOIA material, it's all blacked out. You got a whole page and maybe three words, all the rest blacked out, you can't read it. But in this case it must have young agents because they didn't black out such things as the chief judge informed us today that he would prevail upon judge Hoffman to deny a subpoenaed directed to J Edgar Hoover to produce all wiretaps of the defendants. And it says he agreed to do this when Mr. Hoover told him it would embarrass the Bureau to have that illegal activity disclosed. So the chief judge went downstairs to the judge trying the case and said, \"You must deny this subpoena and vacate it.\" And we never knew all of this. The case has been opened, there'll be briefs filed on the 26th of January. And we're seeking to have judge Hoffman, the U.S. attorneys and judge Campbell, and any people still alive in the Bureau if we can, held in contempt of court. And we'll see whether we can put the shoe on the other foot. But in any event, I think I've said enough about the court structure to kind of give you an idea that Jesus has tried over and over and over again. And that there really is no difference between 33 AD and 1979 AD, that human beings being what they are, organized society being what it is, you have this constant resort to something the public accepts as a virtual sacrosanct part of the total governmental process. We were all so shocked that Nixon would hide Watergate. That was a minor peccadillo. Who the hell cares if they wiretapped the Democrats or the Democrats wiretap Republicans. What in the long scheme of history would be any different. The FBI wiretaps illegally all day long. So what's the difference if poor fools try to wiretap the democratic headquarters in Watergate. What difference would that make in the great scheme of things? There's much more that goes than a president who probably was the best president America ever had 'cause he exposed so beautifully what the system is all about. Essentially Watergate was a great boon. But the courts are far more hidden than presidents and I think far more destructive in the long run than presidents. I like to close this analysis and it's only an analysis of what I believe the judicial system does in the United States. We could cover many more angles of it. It would take many more hours. But I was trying to think of a way to come to an end in a graceful manner, the hardest thing for any speaker, to know when to shut up. That's one of the difficult lessons to learn. But I had this same problem and I tried the wounded knee trial in St. Paul. And if you think Iowa winters are bad, you ought to spend a year in St. Paul and you get another idea. Even though it's on the Mississippi river, it's the wrong end of the river. And I lived there for a year in this long, long trial, which was eventually dismissed for governmental misconduct. And we went to the jury, the dismissal didn't come until after the jury had retired. We went to the jury and I was supposed to be the anchor person to give the last summation to the jury. And I didn't know what to say because Mark Lane, colleague of mine represented Dennis Banks and he went first and then I would go for Russell Means. And I met a woman by the name of Maridel Le Seur while I lived in St. Paul, who is a 78 year old writer. I'm sure she's in the library somewhere. Poems, fiction, prose. And I said \"How am I going to end this summation tomorrow? \"I have to go five hours or whatever, \"but I wanna bring it to an end. \"This jury has been sitting there a year.\" He said, \"Well, maybe you wanna look \"into some of the material of Stephen Vincent Benet.\" And she says, \"Maybe in particular, there's a poem \"called American Names.\" So I went trotting off to the St. Paul library two days before summation, I got out, collected poems of Stephen Vincent Benet. Of course says \"John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry.\" Great political poem. But I looked up \"American Names\" and I found out it was a really bad poem, except for the last six lines. And I decided to end the summation with those lines because they seem to embody something that I thought was important in that case, maybe for this talk as well. Benet had left the United States after writing \"John Brown's Body\" or \"John Brown at Harper's ferry.\" And he went and he expatriated himself because he found what he thought an incredible cancer in American society. And he lived most of the rest of his life just before he died, he returned in Western Europe, going to Belgium and Holland and France and Germany and England. And toward the end of his self-imposed exile, he wrote \"American Names.\" And if you read the poem, you'll see. He's thinking about he's contrasting European place names with American place names. And as I read that last stanza, I said that's a great way to end the wounded knee summation because it embodies in one lyrical way or another everything I want to say the jury. And maybe it also covers this talk as well, I'm not sure. You can read everything into it or nothing into it as you see fit. And you can judge for yourselves whether it's applicable or it is not. I've made a policy decision that I think it is. The poem ends as follows, I shall not rest quiet in Montparnasse. I shall not lie easy at Winchelsea. You may bury my body in Sussex grass, You may bury my tongue at Champmedy. I shall not be there, I shall rise and pass. Bury my heart at Wounded Knee. Thank you very much. Thank you, but I've been talking at you for a long time, longer than I thought I should. Now they've said we could have some sort of a an interchange here and I hope we can have it. 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