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Is that better? No? Is it on? Okay. Welcome to tonight's speaker, David Hulse. Before we begin, I just have a couple of quick announcements: our upcoming speaker on next Wednesday November 10th is Seymour Hersh, journalists that probably most of you are familiar with and he will be speaking about the \"Chain of Command, The Road from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib.\" And on Sunday, November 14th, we have Joseba Zulaika. That sounds confident. And he'll be speaking on \"The Follies, Fables and Faces of Counter-terrorism.\" My name is Lizzy and I'm the co-chair of the Lectures Committee and World Affairs, and both of these are funded by GSB. And we also want to thank Greenlee School of Journalism and Political Science Department for tonight's event. David Hulse is currently the Conservation and Sustainable Development Program officer with the John D and Catherine D MacArthur Foundation. He's responsible for coordinating grant making in Asia and the Pacific. Before this, he worked with the World Wildlife Federation and worked in the South Pacific regional representative down in the Cook islands, Fiji area. And he's an Iowa State graduate with degrees in Earth Science and Environmental Studies. And he also has a degree in Public Policy from Harvard. Just had dinner with him, he's a loving person. And so David Hulse.\r\n\r\n- [David] Thanks, Lizzy. And everyone. I'm getting old so I'm going to need to see and turn this light on. I guess I don't need it. Well, it's actually quite interesting and almost a little bit humbling to be back here at Iowa State and in this very familiar room. We used to come see Friday night movies and things here. Never thought I'd be actually having an opportunity to talk to you here. I was on the Lectures Committee when I was a student for two years, so it's also nice to have a chance to have a reversal of roles. When I first accepted this invitation to talk several months ago, I knew it was going to be two days after the election. And so I knew no matter how the election turned out that a democratic approach to the environment would be a topic that would be interesting. I guess democratic in a capital D or a democratic and a small D. In fact, for the next four years in the United States, we will not have a chance to have a democratic, capital D, approach to the environment, but we do have a democracy, small D, so we'll have to see what happens. One of the earliest decisions that the Bush administration made in March, 2001 was to abandon the United States' previous policy of engaging with the Kyoto Protocol. And I think that was the first of many events that have happened in the last few years that make one question the environmental movement here in the United States. Previously, under the Clinton administration, when there was trouble having the text that the Kyoto Protocol actually worked, they sent Al Gore over to Kyoto. He helped create agreement and at that time, United States was the real leader and the role model for the environmental movement. It's, I think, somewhat ironic that in the past few weeks, it was actually Russia, President Putin and the Russian parliament that ratified and approved the Kyoto Protocol and put it into effect when they exceeded the 61% mark. One would never have thought that Russia would be the country that would be the leader in the environment and not the United States. So does this tell us that the environment can only be saved under a democratic government, capital D versus small D. I think it's somewhat more complicated than that. A couple of weeks ago, I had lunch with Senator Dick Clark and maybe some of you in this room will know who he is. I actually am old enough that I had a chance to vote for him in 1978, but that's the year that he lost. And I pointed that out to him that it was a very important lesson as an 18 year-old at the time to look at the candidates, look at the issues and say, \"Oh, this is the right person. I want to vote for him.\" And then to realize the right person can sometimes lose. But these days Senator Clark works for the Aspen Institute. And that is a grantee of the MacArthur foundation where I work. And one of the many good programs that the Aspen Institute does is nonpartisan congressional training programs that expose senators and representatives to a series of international issues. For instance, next year they'll be holding a seminar down in Mexico that's gonna focus on relations between United States and several Latin American countries, particularly, Mexico, Venezuela, and Brazil who have three very interesting leaders: Fox, Chávez, and Lula who are all very different from one another. This year, they conducted a tour of China where they looked at issues between the United States and China. And Dick Clark, he comes by the foundation about once or twice a year. It's about a year or two ago when I was first looking at the lists of the participants, the senators and representatives who participate in these congressional meetings. And I noticed that there were about two thirds Democrat, one third Republican, and I asked him, \"Wouldn't it be better if you would try to aim for more of a 50-50 balance, especially since the Congress and the House are about a 50-50.\" And he said, actually, they invite twice as many Republicans as they do Democrats to the congressional... to these congressional training programs and almost every Democratic accepts and many, many Republicans do not. And then he went on to say that when they have training programs about environmental issues, almost no Republican will accept because that is a Democratic, capital D, issue that they do not think that they want to engage in. So what does this tell us? What does this tell us about people's willingness to learn? What does it tell us about exposure to new ideas? Well, that's not exactly what I'm supposed to talk about tonight. But it does make one ponder in over 20 years of experience that I've had in Asia Pacific, I have seldom come across a country that has politicized the environment as much as the United States. And in fact, to me, thankfully, many of the other countries where I've had a chance to work are a lot more pragmatic in their approach to the environment. So I want to talk to you tonight about eight countries. So I hope that's not too many. I'll try to be brief. And I'm going to group those eight countries into three categories: democratic, democratic but messy and not democratic. And from that list of countries, I then hope that I can draw some lessons across the eight and then we can open up the floor for questions and discussion if you want that. But before we go any further, I just, I want to explain I work for a foundation and as a philanthropist and as a grant giver, we live a very sheltered life. Most of the time when I'm giving presentations or when I'm making a lecture, I'm talking to people who are probably going to ask us for money and as such, they're overly polite. And if I speak too quickly or I get off track or you just get bored, stand up and wave and let me know because it's really very seldom that I get honest feedback. Once I started in this job giving grants it was amazing how I immediately became brilliant and insightful. People will listen and they'll be so ingratiating to us, but no one's slipped me a proposal today, and I don't really think that anyone here is asking for money, so it'd be nice to have a chance to just speak honestly and openly with everyone. I'm not considering any Genius Grants for anyone. So for democratic societies, I'd like to talk about Thailand and Fiji very briefly. Thailand actually is a very flourishing democracy. And there have been in the last couple of years, a bit of backsliding with prime minister, Thaksin Shinawatra who does not seem to like criticism very much. He tends to take journalists to prison, or at least a court if they criticize him. It's kind of put a damper on freedom of expression in Thailand, but at the same time, Thailand is a country that has a strong civil society. It has a strong civil society movement and a lot of issues from farm prices, the labor rights, HIV AIDS, the environment. And that has, I think, that environment has led to a very strong environmental movement in Thailand. A real pivotal moment in the movement was in 1988 when the Nam Choan Dam was up for consideration. It would have flooded part of a national park that has later become a World Heritage Site. And the movement to help the government decide, I guess, in a positive way of putting it, to shelve that that program was really a very crucial moment for the Thai environmental movement and Seub Nakhasathien who was the leader of that movement became an overnight sensation in Thailand. Unfortunately, as the way things sometimes go in societies that we don't quite understand, Seub, two years later in 1990 died by his own hand as a sacrifice that he felt was necessary and it was a real blow to the environmental movement. But it was also invigorating in a sad sort of way because King Bhumibol Adulyadej sponsored his funeral. And it was a real catalyst for the movement to realize that even the highest levels of the leadership of Thailand understood the power of the environmental movement. So I guess the lesson that we can draw from Thailand is that good environmental stewardship comes from the grassroots and it can be a lever for local empowerment. Okay, Fiji is also democracy, although they did have a coup when I was living there in May 2000... Thailand had three coups when I was living there. I don't think it makes it less democratic, but the point that's important about Fiji is that it's a very traditional society. The fundamental factor in Thailand, or in Fiji that people talk about is the fact that the land and the sea belong to the people. The community owns the land and the sea in totality. And, actually, to indigenous Fijians, they cannot conception socialize the idea of land as being private property. They cannot conceptualize the idea of selling land. It's an alien concept that's outside of their, of their understanding. And when you're dealing with a society like that where they feel a connection to the land, they say, \"This is our land. It was our grandparents' land. It will be our grandchildren's land. It belongs to us as a whole.\" It makes environmental considerations so much easier. Building on that tradition, The MacArthur Foundation supports down there, what we call the Locally Managed Marine Area program and our partners in implementing that or the University of the South Pacific, WWF, where I used to work, Wold Wildlife Fund and the Foundation for the Peoples of the South Pacific. The idea of the Locally Managed Marine Area Network is to take this very strong concept of community ownership of the land and to somewhat strengthen it in terms of fisheries management and sea tenure. In traditional management of the season in Fiji, they have a concept called tamboo. It's actually a word that we have in English language, but the British who always seem to misunderstand local words mispronounced it and became the word \"taboo\" in English. But the tamboo concept can be best described perhaps the saying \"no take.\" And a good example of a tamboo practice would be if an elder at the village or if the chief were to die, they would declare a tamboo on fishing in the area in front of the village. And there would be a hundred days of mourning. And at the end of that hundred day period, they would lift the tamboo, people would go out and they would be able to harvest the fish and harvest the shrimps and the clams. And they knew that this was a sufficient amount of time to allow the seas to regenerate and to provide what they needed and then they would have a big feast in honor the person who deceased. Now you would ask village elders, \"Why do you do this for a hundred days? Or why do you even have this concept of tamboo?\" And they would say, \"We do it because it works.\" So the idea of the Locally Managed Marine Area program with the university was to try to bring science and monitoring to this tradition. To try to prove why it works or to at least measure it so you could write it up in a peer-reviewed journal, so it could be published, and a traditional management practice could then become part of the science and could become a real conservation practice. This work was recognized. MacArthur actually wrote it up and we submitted it to UN Development program. And it was presented at the Johannesburg Summit in South Africa in 2002. And actually it led to the awarding of an Equator Prize to that project. That was something we did not expect. But what we also did not expect is that the prime minister of Fiji was at the summit and he had not even heard about the project had it not been for that event in Johannesburg. And so he asked the WWF and the university people to come and present the concept to the cabinet. And more importantly, they asked to have it presented to the Great Council of Chiefs, which is the highest traditional leadership body in Fiji. The Chiefs endorsed the concept saying, \"This builds on our traditions, it builds on our culture and it is something that we want to have nationwide.\" And so now all 410 traditional fisheries areas in Fiji that cover over 300 islands, basically the entire nation of Fiji are under the traditional practices of no-take and tamboo. So what lesson can we draw from this? To me, it basically says that environmental movements can also work where cultural traditions and cultural values are an integral part of the environment. Where people do not have to make a great leap in judgment or a great leap in faith to understand why the environmental movement is something that they should join. Okay, now I'd like to talk about democratic but messy countries. And my examples there are Cambodia, Papua New Guinea and Nepal. Now, Cambodia has certainly had a rough time since the early 1990s when they became a democratic country. There was a coup in 1977, or 1997, excuse me, when Hun Sen stopped the coalition government and kicked FUCINPEC out, a lot of aid donors decided to leave Cambodia at that time. Now in Cambodia, okay, it a sort of a democracy and civil society movements exist but they're certainly not encouraged. Local leaders are often intimidated, but nonetheless the international criticism that was coming to Cambodia at that time from mainly international donors, who said, \"If you don't stop the logging, if you don't stop intimidating NGOs, non-governmental organizations, we are going to stop our aid to you.\" It was also at about that time when an organization called Global Witness, who some of you might've heard of, they became famous when they're the ones that publicized the conflict diamond issue in Africa, wrote a paper about the logging situation in Cambodia. Now, Hun Sen is not much of a democrat, but he is smart enough to realize that poor environmental management and poor environmental practices and corruption are not good for the country, and it's not good for the international stature of the country. So he did an evaluation of the logging concessions across the nation, and they shut down all of the logging concessions that were quote unquote illegal. One of the concessions belonged to Samling which was a Malaysian logging company and it was an Eastern Cambodia, it completely surrounded a national park. And the government asked the Wildlife Conservation Society which is based at the Bronx Zoo to take over the management of this logging concession. Now it's an interesting concept because whether you like logging or not, a logging company does provide a level of management to a forest. They protect the forest where they're not logging. They keep other people out that they don't want to have come in and steal their timber. And when the logging company leaves you would have a vacuum. So the government felt compelled to ask a conservation group to manage that area. MacArthur foundation gave a grant to WCS so that they could do this. What is the lesson in Cambodia? Good environmental stewardship makes good economic sense and it makes good political sense. Okay, Papua New Guinea also democracy, very complicated country. Seven to 800 languages are spoken, many coalitions, many ethnic groups. Personal gain for your tribal group and for yourself seems to dominate more than any sort of allegiance to the country. There are huge opportunities for corruption in Papua New Guinea. But at the same time, they have a good legal system. Australia helped to write the constitution when they gained independence in 1975. And so in a country like that, where there's a sense of lawlessness, MacArthur foundation has decided that our approach will be to work for the courts. When there are good laws, we will help communities and individuals and smaller organizations to go to the court to set the legal precedents they need to show that the laws that are on the books need to be implemented. So we've given grants to Greenpeace, to an Australian group called Environmental Defender's Office and to two local groups, The Center for Environmental Law and Community Rights and the Environmental Law Center. But even with this sort of low... low impact approach, non-adversarial approach in the past few months, Ani Khajeer, who works with the Environmental Law Center, and Ken Mundiai, who was the chair of the Eco Forestry Forum have both been severely beaten. And in the case of Ken, he was hospitalized. And of course there's a lot of lawlessness in Papua New Guinea. Port Moresby is famous for being dangerous and random acts of violence do happen and people get beat up there. But it also seems a bit coincidental that these two individuals who'd been so crucial to the environmental movement were beaten up. So what's the lesson out of that? I guess maybe we've had a couple of positive messages, but you also need to learn that environmental movement can also be viewed as a threat to those who seek to exploit natural resources for personal gain, and you just have to realize that. When you're threatening someone's way, their livelihood, when you're threatening a good thing to them, they're going to... they're going to fight back. Okay, Nepal is a shaky democracy. I'm sure some of you have been there. In the last few years, with a disillusionment in the people, many of the people in the rural areas, there is a a new Maoist insurgency. It's been going on for five or six years. Their main goal is to provide a Maoist society and to overthrow the monarchy. Now King Birendra, the former King, seemed somewhat willing to negotiate with the Maoists and try to come up with an agreement and see what they could do. Unfortunately, in a bizarre twist, King Birendra and the entire Royal family were assassinated in June 2001. And the new king, Gyanendra, who's the younger brother of Birendra, seems not very interested negotiating. So it's really come to a stalemate in Katmandu in Nepal. I was talking to some of my friends in Nepal a few weeks ago, and Katmandu Valley was completely paralyzed by a strike. When the Maoist said, \"We are going to shut down the Valley.\" And it did. It shut down the Valley. And they said, what's amazing is that the Maoist, at this point, don't even have to show a single weapon. They just say, \"We're going to do this,\" and the people are afraid. Now trying to find some positive out of that in May, when I was in Nepal, I was having dinner with Chandra Gurung, who was the country director for the WWF there, and he actually made an interesting observation. Previously, when they were still a complete constitutional monarchy or an absolute monarchy and community organizers would go to the communities and meet with the villagers, they would be reticent and they would not want to share their opinions. Now, as a result of the Maoists who come into the villages and they say, \"Let's have a community meeting and let's criticize the government.\" In fact, that has taught the people that they have the right to discuss what's going on. That they have the right to criticize the government and they have the right to speak their voice. Now it's unfortunate the Maoist are also committing some very horrible atrocities, but there is something that you can maybe grasp that's coming out of this. I was speaking with a professor in the sociology department this afternoon trying to draw parallels between what's happening in Nepal versus the Shining Path, a Maoist movement on in Nepal, or in Peru. Another little anecdote, one of the grantees in Nepal is the WWF. We are supporting them to work in Kangchenjunga in Eastern Nepal. And one of the staff in that project was kidnapped by the Maoists. And this is a very common thing. They will kidnap people either to kill them or to rough them up and chase them out of town or else to ask for ransom. In fact, I need to meet this guy and get to know him better. They held him for about a week, the Maoists and they released him unharmed. And when they released him, they said, \"We will not interfere with your work because we think your product is good and it is doing what we believe in.\" And, you know, I actually haven't told the MacArthur Foundation board of directors that we have a Maoist certified project. But I think again, the lesson there is good and it's similar to what you could learn in Thailand. That good environmental stewardship and good environmental planning is empowering to the local communities. The environmental movement is empowering to local communities. They gain a voice, they have the right to manage their resources, to exploit them or to sustain them and use them as they want. Okay, I'd like to then talk about some non-democratic countries. Vietnam, Bhutan and Burma. Now, Vietnam is a country that I've lived in for seven years. So it's obviously a country that I have a deep affection for. It is also one of only five communist countries remaining in the world. When I first moved to Vietnam in 1990, there was no US diplomatic relations with that country. It was under World Bank Sanctions. And in fact it was nearly impossible to import US dollars into the country. We had to go to the State Department because at that time Vietnam was still controlled by what was called Trading with the Enemies Act. And an interesting anecdote, completing all the paperwork that we had to do to get to the State Department to determine whether we would be able to go into Vietnam and work there, we had to argue that we were doing humanitarian work. Now, much of the time conservation spend their their efforts saying, \"Good conservation is good for development. Conservation is development. It's good for the economy.\" And in this particular case, we had to say, \"No, conservation is humanitarian only. It's for scenic beauty.\" And in fact, we won that argument and Lawrence Eagleburger, who was the Deputy Secretary of State at that time signed off on it. So we were able to go into Vietnam. We got money from the United Nations and from the Global Environment Facility to undertake capacity building programs for forest guards throughout the country. In the end, over a thousand forest guards receive training including master degree level people who came to study in the United States and Australia and in the United Kingdom. And it was a real crowning achievement, I felt, for the environmental capacity of Vietnam. So what's the lesson out of that? I think it's similar to Cambodia. Good environmental programs make good economic and good political sense. At a time when Vietnam was nearly isolated in the world, they realized that environmental movement was a way that they could engage internationally. That they could have international linkages. That groups could come in and exchange with them in a way that they had no other opportunity. Of course, they had many contacts with Poland and Czechoslovakia and countries like that at that time, but to be able to work with an organization based in the United States was pioneering for them. Okay, Bhutan. Now it's a little bit funny, I guess, in some ways to talk about Bhutan in the same category as Vietnam and Burma. But in fact, Bhutan is not democratic. It is an absolute monarchy. It's a quirky little country, it's a lovely little country, but there is a process of a democratization going on, but that's not what's important. What's important in the case of Bhutan is that the people who live there are deeply religious. They're deeply tied to their heritage and their culture. They are Mahayana Buddhist. And because of that, they have a deep respect and love for nature. The country retains 74% of its original forest cover and the protected area system of national parks covers 35% of the total land area. The people do not kill animals and they see the mountains and the forest around them as being part of their heritage and part of their culture. In fact, in a seminar we were talking about this afternoon of, in Bhutan, the King has said he doesn't care about gross national product, he cares about gross national happiness. Because to him what makes Bhutan unique and important is that the people have enough food to eat, that they respect their country, that they respect their culture and that they have a source of deep devotion and religion. And those are what are valuable to them. So again, similar to Fiji, I think the lesson that you can learn is when you are surrounded by nature, when you rely on nature for your livelihoods, and when your culture and your heritage is so tied to the environment, the environmental stewardship is easy. It is part of your tradition. I'll conclude with Burma for the examples. Burma really is a difficult place. The SPDC, which was previously known as SLORC, has been empowered since 1988. The international community has put Burma on many, many sanctions. We've seen Aung San Suu Kyi in and out of house arrest. We've seen her beaten up. But after that amount of time, there unfortunately is a splintering occurring in the Burmese community. In fact, just a week and a half ago, I went to the Burma Studies Conference which was held at DeKalb, Illinois. Northern Illinois University is the center for Burma studies. And some of the groups such as the Open Society Institute, a Soros Foundation are very strongly saying, \"We need to stick with sanctions.\" Other groups like the Free Burma Coalition are saying, \"Look we need to try new approaches. It's just not working.\" They did not come to consensus. But interestingly enough, the European Union has concluded that they will probably broaden the definition of humanitarian to include sustainable role livelihoods and the environment. Because they do not want the people to suffer, and they see the environmental movement as being key to democratization in a place like Burma. So what's the lesson? Well, again, I think the reason that SLORC or SPDC, the governing military council of Burma feels so threatened is because once again the environmental movement is encroaching upon their entrenched interests. When no other country would trade with them, China has been a willing partner, logs are being exported across the board into China all the time. China needs the logs because they have a logging ban in place since 1998 when they had severe flooding. So the environmental movement is threatening what is important to them. So, conclusion. Okay, we've talked about eight countries and four lessons and I'll just recap those. Thailand and Nepal, I think, show that the environmental movement empowers people people at the local level. Fiji and Bhutan show that local traditions and cultural values are inherent to the environmental movement. And Cambodia and Vietnam both show that even when you're working and a less than friendly government or an undemocratic government they can pragmatically learn that the environmental stewardship is expedient and good for politics. The less positive lesson comes from Papua New Guinea and Burma, but it's also a good one. And it's that we need to keep in mind that entrenched systems that are corrupt, they will see the environmental movement as a threat and alternative means need to be addressed. Now that does make me wonder why the environmental movement in the United States, particularly in the last few years has become so reviled. It makes me wonder is it because the environmental movement is seen as being a threat to entrenched interests, particularly in the Western States. It shouldn't be viewed as such. And I think it's rather unfortunate that the discourse of the environmental movement and the wise use movement out West has turned to that. Environmental movements can develop in all types of countries and in all types of systems. My experience is that environmental movements cross cultural boundaries, they cross economic boundaries and they cross different types of governments. Democracy is not necessary for an environmental movement, but I do believe that without democracy environmental movements cannot flourish in the long run. Democracy also does not ensure that you will have a healthy environmental movement as we are seeing in some countries. What I is more important, if you're trying to decide where you should work the countries that are prone to having strong environmental movements, you need to look at the cultural values, at the economic and political pragmatism of the leaders of that country and the spirit of local empowerment as it is part of the system of civil society in those countries. And I think that here in the United States those are also the things that we need to look to. We need to see that a good environment is part of our cultural value here. We don't need to talk about cowboy culture. We need to talk about the culture of Yellowstone and the beauty that we see around us and which we sing about when we sing \"America the Beautiful.\" And I think we also need to be economically and politically pragmatic. That good environmental policies will be good for the economy here. And of course, I think all Americans do believe in local empowerment. So thank you very much. I don't know if that's long enough or good enough but I'd sure be happy to answer questions. I see a lot of familiar faces out there even though I haven't been to Iowa for so many years. So thanks. Is that what you expected? So, yeah... so I don't know what the protocol is for questions. You just want to stand up and shout or... And there's a mic so just come on up to the mic.\r\n\r\n- [Audience 1] I want to ask you about the Fiji example that you gave. I can imagine that... Is this even on? I can imagine the hundred days of rest with the coastal system would be a good thing. What's odd though is that the timing of doing that is dependent on an elder dying. So the frequency at which you, you know, the rest occurs could be a random end or maybe there's a very large elderly population and you have many hundreds of days. So what are the scientific findings say about that?\r\n\r\n- [David] Okay, well, actually, I use that as example of how the tradition started but through the LMMA, Locally Managed Marine Area, we all use acronyms, Locally Management Marine Area process, what we've done is actually saying that that's... that proves that it works anecdotally. And so we've been working with communities down there to try different links of time. So some of the tamboo areas now have been in place for up to five years. Different communities are trying different approaches where they'll have a complete no-take. Sometimes they'll have rotational no-takes. Sometimes they'll... No-take means even like no swimming in an area, you can't even pick up the sea cucumbers. There's nothing. Or sometimes they'll say it's only a no-take on the clams or various species. And all this is being monitored. And quite frankly, the results are almost always positive but where we've come across conflict is, you know, those darn scientists versus the pragmatic community people. One of the communities, a chief's daughter got married and so he said, \"Okay, we can lift the tamboo,\" after this area have been closed for several years. And the scientists at the University went bananas because they're like, \"Oh, you're going to ruin all our data.\" But the community people responded, \"But this is for us. And we can do what we want.\" But yeah, they're using it for a lot more than a hundred days. That was the tradition that we built upon. So it's kind of like traditions plus, you know... But please go to Fiji. It's a great place. Any other questions? Well, there's someone coming and then we can go with you.\r\n\r\n- [Audience 2] Tell us a little bit about environmental rebuilding. For example, Philippines deforested very rapidly, but there's a real effort to rebuild again and it's economically productive and valuable. But can you kind of give us a little hint about rebuilding for the environments being severely damaged.\r\n\r\n- [David] Well, I think, you know, if you want to go way back in history, the best example of that is Switzerland. In fact, Switzerland was almost entirely deforested in the 1800, and people when they go to Switzerland now and they say, \"It's so lovely,\" they don't realize that. And there was, in the 1880s and 1890s, there was a real move to replant. So it's not like that Switzerland has always been this wealthy country. It really went through some economic problems when it made the switch in economies and the rural people were incredibly poor there and they made a concerted effort to replant their forest. There are similar things going on in Thai... I mean, all my examples were Asia, except for that little Swiss example cause WWF's headquarters in Switzerland and I know that country. Thailand has done the same thing, and you're right, Philippines. What is interesting, there is both good and bad in the carbon offsets program where one country that has... that needs carbon credits and and another country is wanting to sell them is that one of the ways you can get carbon offsets is to plant a forest. And so if the Netherlands, for instance needs to get some carbon offsets, they will buy a 10,000 hectares in Vietnam and say, \"We're going to plant trees there.\" And it helps the Netherlands and it helps Vietnam. And I think programs like that are good because they're paid for, it benefits the environment. So you can really have some innovative ways of trying to encourage people to plant trees in their different countries. I think the thing that's bad about that system is that it says to a country like the Netherlands or the United States, if we were to adopt the protocols, is that, \"Well, you don't to fix your problem at home, you can just plant some trees elsewhere.\" But you are, I think, absolutely correct. Countries that have made a concerted effort to replant degraded hillsides, most of the time it works. Of course, I have experienced in Vietnam where some of the areas were so degraded. And then of course they have the added problems of dioxins and poisons left in the hillsides from the defoliants from the Americans that regeneration has not occurred. But in most cases where it's caused by natural, quote unquote natural, I mean people cutting it down, exploitation, they can come back. And what's interesting, getting back to the marine issue is regeneration in the Marine environment is so much easier than in the terrestrial environment. The sea in the one hand is the ultimate sink. Everything ends up there at one point, but it comes back so quickly. If corals are damaged, if fish populations are depleted, within a year or two, you can see results. On the land, you have to wait 10, 20, 30 years to see something, but in the long run, it will happen. There's also a movement in the West to take out dams and to try to recreate the environment that was there before. It's incredibly expensive, but it's something that I know they're doing studies at Colorado State and at University of Idaho in Moscow to really see is this economically viable. And what they're learning about the cost of taking out a dam and recreating the environment is now becoming part of the equation of deciding whether they should build a dam in the first place, which I think is a very important consideration that they're doing. One of the grants that I'm looking at right now, is in Yunnan in China, Yunnan province. In the environmental impact assessment process in China for instance, right now, biodiversity is not included as one of the criteria that you consider when you do an environmental impact assessment. You look at: are they going to be erosion in the area? Is there gonna be erosion... Will people be displaced? Issues like that. But nature conservation is not part of it, unbelievably. And so we're giving a grant to an institute in Kunming with the full agreement of the Beijing government to try to come up with a series of biodiversity measures that will be added to the environmental impact assessment process, and if that succeeds, hopefully, it would also become nationwide. Nationwide in China's a little bit bigger than nationwide in Fiji. So did that answer the question? Okay, Gary.\r\n\r\n- [Gary] Good seeing you, David.\r\n\r\n- [David] Yeah, nice to see you.\r\n\r\n- [Gary] This is a question and a commentary note about Iowa here. One question I have is just some reflections that you've had and experiences with multinational corporations in those countries counteracting the environmental movement and money that goes into something like that. And that relates to, I think, interesting dynamics here in Iowa, and even here at Iowa State, particularly with the Sustainable Act program the Leopold Center, which has come under attack. and it doesn't have a lot of support in certain circles here in Iowa and even here in University, especially of late. And this is just another anecdote of talking to a friend who's was thinking about their farm, if they're going to establish a grass-based beef herd. And he's from Iowa. And he says he has to be careful even talks about that around certain circles because of... you get around corn and soybean farmers, that in itself is a threat that you would convert your corn and soybeans just to grass to raise beef because of trying to move towards the grass-based economy which I think would be a very good thing for the environment and for our economy overall and more sustainable.\r\n\r\n- [David] Well, ashamedly, I've spent very little time in Iowa since I left 22 years ago, but I mean, even back then the no-till or low till movement was beginning when I was in high school and I didn't know anything about agriculture but it seemed like in my heart it was a good thing. In terms of the multinational corporations, by living in Vietnam, I was somewhat blessed because there were almost none there and I didn't have to deal with them. A lot of my multinational corporation experience came when I was down in the South Pacific, where there are really, really nasty mining companies working in Papua New Guinea and New Caledonia. And they're either Australian or Canadian. Most of them are not... well there's Freeport-McMoRan in Indonesia, which is American. They don't care, frankly. My experience with them is limited. But when I was with World Wildlife Fund, if we went to go see them, they were kind of like, \"Oh, we'll write you a check for $10 million and just go away.\" And they didn't get it that that's not what we want... Well, some, unfortunately some conservation groups do want that. I do think that I don't want to say which ones do do that but some conservation groups have made a point that they will never take money from a tobacco company, or an alcohol company or whatever, or a mining company. Some do not. And there was an example in Bolivia where one person at WWF had actually agreed that they were going to help serve as an advisor on a pipeline project with, I can't remember who, was it Gulf or Exxon or something, and, wow, did that cause a stir and they backed down. And another conservation group happily came along and took the $20 million in that case. So I don't have a lot of faith in multinational corporations supporting the environment, frankly. I'm glad that we're working at the Leopold Center. He's a wonderful Iowan, isn't he? I assume it's named after Aldo Leopold, right?\r\n\r\n- [Gary] Yeah.\r\n\r\n- [David] Okay. My little anecdote about that is last year, I was in Baraboo, Wisconsin. I met Nina Leopold, his daughter and had drinks at her house and then we went to go visit The Shack. And I was with George Archibald at that time. And I don't know if you know the International Crane Foundations in Baraboo and he's the founder of that. And when we were sitting around the fireplace in Nina's house, he said that all conservations need to go to two places in their life. They need to go to Baraboo to The Shack and they need to go to Bhutan. And I think that's an interesting story because Bhutan is a country that is so enshrined in its own cultural traditions and environmental movement and Aldo Leopold was very influential to me when I first read \"A Sand County Almanac\" in high school, and I don't know how many times I've read it since then. And I'm glad to know that you have the center here probably Senator Grassley and Senator Harkin help get it. I don't know. I know that it's good that we have friends in Congress and in Washington, Leonard Boswell included, who can get these things out here. But it's also important that people would think that that's not something that we should be doing and that you would be attacked. So does that answer? More questions?\r\n\r\n- [Audience 3] How do we... Like during this past election, obviously the environment was nowhere on anybody's agenda, nowhere of any importance since the War of Terrorism. How do we as a nation make that something that is important for our candidates to speak about in the upcoming elections.\r\n\r\n- [David] Well, it's hard not to be political, you know and let your views be known. I guess, I don't know... Write letters to your Congress people. Let your Senators know. When those focus groups happen with CNN and they're gonna... you know those are going to be the numbers on the TV. Let them know that environment is important to you. It is unfortunate you're right. The environment did not come up at all. As Senator Clark alluded to, a lot of Republicans on the Hill don't think that the environment is even an issue that they want to talk about. And the further West you get, I think, the worst the rhetoric is. I watch C-SPAN a lot. And I was watching the debate between the two senators in Alaska, Senator Murkowski and Governor Knowles who were running for the seat. And both of them were bending over backwards to say they love drilling in ANWR and all of this kind of stuff. And you know, those are pretty serious issues. And it seems like we're, I think really missing the boat in the environmental movement here in the United States. I'm not answering your question. I don't know either other than to say as citizens, we have to let our voice be heard. I mean, at least I think to a point we're getting beyond the question, whether climate change exists or not. That's a start and there are some people in Congress are, I think, quite open on that. Congressman Holt from New Jersey is a scientist. And he has been a very strong supporter of the environmental movement and talking about how science needs to be more of an important part of the debate in Congress. Rush Holt, I think is his name. And so we need more people like that. That's all I can say, I guess. Hi, Bob.\r\n\r\n- [Bob] David, It's good to see you. We have some friends here. Our son graduated with David from high school. And I still recognize you.\r\n\r\n- [David] I recognize you-\r\n\r\n- [Bob] That's amazing. All right, .\r\n\r\n- [David] I can't read.\r\n\r\n- [Bob] Some early comments you made before you started your formal remarks when you indicated that Kyoto, talked about Kyoto in passing. But as I understand it, and remember, didn't both branches or at least one branch vote significantly against the Kyoto Treaty.\r\n\r\n- [David] I'm almost certain it was the Senate that did that.\r\n\r\n- [Bob] It was like single digit against for. I mean, single digit for, and predominantly 80, 90% against. And I think even in the constitution of the make up of the political parties at that time, as now, there's still a lot of Democrats. So he would disparage the Republican significantly which I dislike, but understandably so, some are not as environmentally friendly as you might like them. But of course the global warming issue is a, from a scientific standpoint, still big question.\r\n\r\n- [David] Well, you're very correct.\r\n\r\n- [Bob] You can disagree with that, obviously, and there are disagreements. 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then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43607/file/116647#t=30.34,32.52"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43607/file/116647/transcript/28748/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you're also right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43607/file/116647#t=32.52,33.353"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43607/file/116647/transcript/28748/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wasn't living in the country at that 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There's a lot of good things happening, but politically, that lady at the top, it is difficult, probably, to get that issue very high on the priorities, sadly.\r\n\r\n- Yeah, no, I agree and I think it's interesting that it's the farmers and the agricultural movement that is probably the best environmental stewards here in the United States. I mean, even when you look back into the 30s and see what some of the- what wasn't called an environmental movement back then. And you're also right. I wasn't living in the country at that time, but I do remember it went to the Senate and it was soundly defeated. But also at that time I did pass through Washington briefly and the rhetoric that was going on, I felt, was just so incorrect, too. I mean, it was- The assumption was, immediately if we joined Kyoto, it would be economic disaster for the country. So I think a lot of the votes were made under very false assumptions. I mean, I think it's also shameful that the United States has not ever ratified the Convention of Biodiversity. And again, that's an issue that has to have strong leadership from the president and it has to have strong leadership from the Senate, because they appoint- or they approve the treaties. But, I do think the United States should be a leader in the environment and it's too bad that we gave this opportunity to Russia instead of ourselves. So, but yeah, I mean... Not all Democrats are good, environmental. See that - that's definitely true. Go ahead, sir.\r\n\r\n- I'd like you to respond. I'm an environmentalist. And David Heard, he's uh... Head of Principal, Insurance Americas. He headed the... or the co-chair of the Iowa Environmental Council, he was co-director of the governor's energy policy task force. He hosted an environmental caucus for Kerry. Norris was there, the movers and shakers of the environment were there: recycling, the Sierra Club. And to me, this shows that Kerry cares about the environment. He's for renewable energy and energy efficiency, and this is one of the reasons I supported him. But this was an opportunity I had in Des Moines. It was the first Wednesday in January to participate, in an environmental caucus.\r\n\r\n- Well good.\r\n\r\n- If you wanted to respond to that.\r\n\r\n- Well-\r\n\r\n- Because there are opportunities.\r\n\r\n- I think there are, yeah. I honestly didn't really know much about the environmental record of Senator Kerry either, because he didn't really talk very much about it. You're right that it hardly ever came up. I have seen the abou-\r\n\r\n- supports the environment.\r\n\r\n- Well the Heinz Foundation, yeah. They do. But I mean, it's just, the environment did not really enter into the debates, into the discussion in any sort of important way, which I found very disappointing. I mean, I vote in Illinois now, and we had a very spirited senatorial race there, and I don't think the word \"environment\" was ever once uttered by Barack Obama or Alan Keyes. And it's just unfortunate. I think in the Phil Crane/Melissa Bean race there was some talk about it because there's some issues along the shoreline there. But it's not central to the platform of either party right now.\r\n\r\n- I had a question about some other countries where the price of gasoline is much higher than the United States, and I was reading an article by Robert Kennedy Jr, who said that the reason that gasoline prices in the United States are so much lower than the rest of the world, is that we actually subsidize the oil companies, to the tune of $65 billion so that they can make profits off the gasoline that they sell in this country. Do you think that that's true? Because obviously gasoline prices in other countries are much higher than in the United States. Why is it that gasoline prices are so low? Why do we have such a scarce commodity, yet these oil and gas companies obviously do very well in the stock market? I presume it's because of the $65 billion subsidy.\r\n\r\n- Well, subsidies are a problem across the board. I wouldn't say it's just in the petroleum industry. I mean, the one issue that did kind of come up in the debates was the gas tax and they said that Senator Kerry wanted to raise gas taxes, and I think that that's not the correct way to address that issue. But I don't know if the figure is correct about the petroleum companies but almost, in many, many industries there are subsidies here and they are- if you're a good economist, they are not proper. I mean, look at the fishing industry, which are also subsidized by many, many billions of dollars, and that's what makes fish so cheap and it also is why cod is now ecologically extinct, and many other fish are ecologically extinct. So, subsidies are a distortion to the environment and to the market and I don't know if the petroleum industry gets lots of subsidies. A lot of industries do though.\r\n\r\n- David, one of the reasons that gas is higher outside our country is because- outside of the United States, because the other countries... We have taxes, but that's where taxes are really hit hard.\r\n\r\n- Yeah that's probably true.\r\n\r\n- That's where they really get big revenue.\r\n\r\n- Yeah my experience of... Well I was a driver in Fiji. Was that gas was very expensive there. Of course everything was expensive because it was an island, but... Yes.\r\n\r\n- Yeah. In a typical year, how many proposals do you receive across the world? How many of them do you approve? How much money do you distribute? And how long does it take for you to see the result, the fruition, of the investment you have made?\r\n\r\n- Okay. Well, um... For the foundation as a whole, we have assets of $4.6 billion, and according to the IRS tax code, a foundation, a private foundation, remains tax exempt as long as you give away 5% of your assets every year. And that includes the operating costs. We generally give grants in the $200 million range and then the rest is eaten up by administrative costs. We're also running about 10,000 proposals a year. There are 130 staff in Chicago reviewing those. Within our environmental program, I typically, myself, as one staff, will review maybe... 100 to 150 proposals a year, of which I probably will approve maybe 15. I have personally, and in my portfolio, I'm managing grants, probably about 10 to $12 million worth of grants, but I give new grants every year in the range of 4 million. So, I mean, I'm running about 10%. Although the asks are much greater. I'm currently working on a package of grants for the Eastern Himalaya. I'm gonna take it to the board next March. And I'm gonna have $3.8 million in grants. I received 50 applications for $23 million. So this is a case where the money being given is a little bit more than 10%, but also the Eastern Himalaya has fewer organizations working there, so... Last year when I was doing it for the South Pacific, I had more like 80 grants or applications that came in. But then sometimes we will also give grants without an application. We have a process called the Large Institution Grant and I was able to to get one this year for the University of South Pacific. So a $2 million grant was given to the University of South Pacific that they didn't even ask for, but that, what we do through our due diligence when we're looking at a grantee that we think is doing very good work and we see a need, we will actually just go to them and say \"We want to give you this money so you can do this.\" So that also happens. But that was quite an extraordinary event because they are not an American organization. And so the process of going through the due diligence for a non-American organization to see that they meet the US tax code, and are equivalent to what is called a 501c3 nonprofit status here in United States is quite extensive and it took us many, many months, but I think it was worth it.\r\n\r\n- We just wanna thank David so much for coming And I'm sure he'll answer if you'd like to talk to him afterwards. So thank you again.\r\n\r\n- Thanks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43607/file/116647#t=0.0,541.104"}]}]}]}