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And Dr. Cohen was telling me that you grew up in the Zone. That's right. Well, I grew up in Brazil at the very time where, you know, well, good times for me. It was I received pretty little education there because in those days, the classes were my high school classes were small. We had no professors that were lost due to universities. And I had developed back in there. And then I went to the same place that the junior college was saying. So I really had a very strong education. In fact, the equivalent of a college education. You know, when I went to I went to college and in the end of the floor, it is right down to the end of the war and was very hard to get, especially so far to go to school because they had all done and all the veterans and they took priority. So I went to a girls school, Simmons College, which I didn't like very much at the time, and I never went to work at all. Institutions and cultural things were very different. And the parents are provisions, right? Yes. So did you grow up personally and parents or. I was born there, but I never grew up in France. I grew up in Brazil and my brother was born in Brazil. And you developed your interest in chemistry while you were in Brazil? Yes, I guess I knew that I was interested in science. And, you know, I. I did well in physics, in high school later on here when I came to the States. I just lost interest in the subject because it wasn't very interesting. But I really like I like the experimental part of chemistry. And when I wasn't sumers, I think every lab course they had goes there, I don't know in those days. And that's when I was just which I think and a lot of things like that I love in the lab. And so I think that's where my interest came from, really. I just like to more. How is it that you came to the States to get your education? I was 18 when I came in. I guess I want to start and and then I didn't know what to do with myself. Well, I knew what I had to learn that thing. And soon as I finished college in three years then, which was in those days, was very unusual in retrospect, I think was a mistake because, you know, you should maybe I could have taken I mean, I stayed away from the arts as much as I could and probably even other forces I would have taken like a little biology lab, which I avoided. But anyhow, you know, I had my mind made up and my idea was when I learned enough chemistry so I could go back to Brazil and start big business and then resume the math and that kind of mentality. Yes. Well, you know, it was not very practical, practical. And, you know, I wanted to get a better education. I didn't get much help from the people at Siemens in those days. They really didn't send people to graduate with some college. Boston, Massachusetts. And you said it's an all girls school. It was a violation that they have this. I mean, it's a good school, but probably was. But I can't complain. I don't know. Somehow I came to them by accident, pretty much somebody I wanted to go to summer school, you know, keep on working. Nobody there. And when you say I met some guy by accident than I don't even had a good chance. So I came here, I saw this guy. I saw, like a nice guy, a nice smile. So, you know, I like people today. That's my life. My my life was never planned at all. I just ran out of things and, you know, some nice things worked out. So that was your masters. They came to that game. I was just playing my stomach. And then I just stayed on. And eventually my mentor, my dad wanted me to teach again special. And I wanted to do was actually I think I came, you know, all those days I paid my. Wait, and I've been saying there was another way, you know, and I said, why don't you go to work? And I didn't want to do it. You know, it's extra work. And like you said, you learned what? I was fair. And he was a very, very nice man. And he had an assistant. You have an assistant to help pay for school? No, I gave my what I paid for myself, as you know. But this after I stated my mentor said you should teach Assistantship. I wasn't very interested at all. But then he convinced me that that's the best way to learn. So I. I decided I tried. I tried this and I got to do it. And I worked very hard and I stayed here. I don't know how exactly would you do for you? You had a teaching institution. Yeah. And then I worked there for many years. Then I got a job here as a instructor at the time was eventually I got something better. I could get my next thing. And this was on what was I? I was on something very different. There was some knowledge of some talent you needed that which nobody read them for. I don't think I ever specially discussed. And then I stayed for quite a while. And I know the first thing is that it was hard to make them in those days. They didn't give you any money they didn't give me. In fact, you couldn't have graduate students for a while then you could only have women. Graduate student I. I was about ten years before I got my first male graduate students and I thank God I got very good ones and they have done nice work together, you know, dancing and stuff, changing and change. I change my my interest many times. And that's how it is, so I really don't have you know, I never planned anything, I just went along and changed things as they were when they had to change that, you know? So what time period was that? You were an instructor. Was there a lot of time and time? And after I got back, it was a long time until until I, I was promoted and I was promoted late and then again to go out again. Doing what use. I don't know. You have I don't I never remember Alexander. And you said you changed your interests and that was that because of the events that were because one thing they urge you to do is not to work on the same thing that you meant to go. So I went into something very different. I was very lucky. I got that. I bought my first award and doing that. And that was interesting was Philadelphia, Philadelphia organic, Sam's schlump. That's got one that was and then I decided change again. I didn't really like the chemistry that much. I find in some area where no one was well there and I got the government before for that. And then, you know, it's been going on now and then and then I change. I was wasn't carbohydrates and I'm now I'm doing big molecules. That's about that. But, you know, it may change to something. You know, I don't really plan things. I don't do anything to them. So basically, the majority of your career has been here for it has all of my career has been here, which probably is, I would say do. But in those days, you know, we didn't know any better. I mean, a lot of people didn't. I mean, I had never heard of anyone that I haven't heard anyone that was stuck in those days. And did you have a full stop or. No, you didn't. And so probably would've been better if I had gone to some of the places, but I didn't know about that. Nobody encouraged me to do that. You said that you can have a very strong chemistry department. Yes, well, we wasn't that strong. You know, when I first came in was very much getting that. And that's how I really like to hire good students. And when I get the whole faculty was probably, you know, you had these students here, so I got them that way. And so I've been here for so many years. I'm sure that you've seen many changes. Yes. I mean, you talk about them especially related to women's opportunity to have an opportunity, I think. And I really have not. And, you know, I like having fun. That was and still is very promising. I really mean, I was I can accept in one case and I think that that make a difference in the 70s. I guess I can agree on one thing. I think I want you to be my a connection of mine. And I want to do I have no clue and I don't like to. So, I mean, I, I don't know what else might we know how far behind they are helping James Robinson. You know, it was an supposed to help me with design for many forms that needs to be redesigned. Me and, you know, I love that school that's in science, I think those the chairman that they know they have to, you know, they just they have to do this one day. I have to make extra extra effort as to how we were going over like that, because at that time, you know, Chairman, where I was born and everything like that, I got everyone. And I think that that's that they have to hire women, but they had to interview them and they had to see you. And then my husband said at that time, I have some friends here. And I said, when you do this job, I lost all the friends. I know that. I think that might work very well because Amy never had any women when they came around. And I don't think they had women days and have a few years ago a woman. So I think that make a big difference. I also chair the council for the university, which was, you know, all the schools and are were many actions and they had to be thrown out. So we really were the first to establish affirmative action and things like make them on purpose. US actually had any chance to have the circumstance of the school or think. I think I think I think I did a lot of good work on that. And that was the most important thing for me. And I'm still I'm proud of it. When you think of the conservative action is a huge you know, the fact that they have everything, that I really set this thing up without any help from last year. I mean, you know, I really love you. I know what I am making a lot of and I am not that I mean, you know, some of them were not happy about that. He was interfering with their rights. And in fact, eventually they learn once they I think because I once we have a and I heard one of the people at the time that I had no trouble. We found this report the say yes, we know how to do it. So we make we manually stamp on the stuff that you supposed to be doing. And they you know, they learned about sanitizing that. They maybe be going back a little bit. I don't think there is any kind of pressure on people. For instance, when you have new appointments, I mean, those days, every new appointment had to come to me. I have to check them, see if there was some way I wasn't like that. But you have to look at your emotions and my point all by yourself, you know, saying, I mean, otherwise it's not chemistry in system that students very close relationship with them. I still have you know, I still. They never will. I can't forget some of them are older than I am. 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