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And Susan you'll break","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35374/file/104409#t=17.31,20.82"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35374/file/104409/transcript/21791/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in whenever it's appropriate right. Okay. Who is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35374/file/104409#t=20.82,25.32"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35374/file/104409/transcript/21791/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the chair when you are hired. 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Now there you are. It was Charlie Getz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35374/file/104409#t=35.85,38.55"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1271/collection_resources/35374/file/104409/transcript/21791/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and what was he like. 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We are here today. Home of Susan in France France and to collect the oral history of them both regarding department of chemistry. And so. On. OK if it's alright with you I'll just show you this list of questions you have. And Susan you'll break in whenever it's appropriate right. Okay. Who is the chair when you are hired. It was you know. When I read that I could say it was Getz but I don't have any idea what his first name is was Charlie. Now there you are. It was Charlie Getz and what was he like. You know the use of sort of person where you didn't get to know his first name. He was he was. Awkward. He was I think anybody who knew him would agree that he was he was an awkward person. And I have no idea whatsoever as to whether he was an effective chairman and he had had a great deal to do with the building of the department or not. I can't I can't really judge that because he was not chairman for very long. While I was in the faculty on the faculty and I didn't interact with him very much but the few interactions I had with him where. It was obvious maybe when I say he was awkward I would say our relationship was awkward. I was I'm a very different sort of person than he was. And we did not communicate freely. He did not. He did not put me at ease. And. And. But it was on the other hand. Since he was not chairman for very long after I had joined the faculty it never became a great concern of mine what his abilities were. So. That's. That's kind of. The summary on that. What were the job expectations. By whom. By the department. I think that the top job expectations were sort of explicit and in the way the department was being run. Tenure was being awarded the way the faculty discussed. Subjects. That the expectation was that you would in in very short order establish a reputation one way or another. For being a qualified chemist and by qualified and unqualified to to be on the faculty at Iowa State which at that time. Was I. My recollection is it was it was listed as 14th in the nation by people who do such listing which I think is kind of an out of the way place like Ames was pretty darn good. And I think people have said why have you slipped and actually in point of fact when I answer that question I faced that we have slipped. We had an enormous advantage over much of the rest of the over many departments because of the Ames lab. And the funding and. The. Sort of. The research orientation of the lab that put us in it. The enormous advantage and so. That. Advantage disappeared and that advantage disappeared are our ranking slipped it's just. My way of thinking about it is just it. Do it. What came to be that the rankings were entirely reasonable in a certain sense but they weren't. It was the differences were not as dramatic as they were when I when I started I started in 19. I was hired in 1963 and so at that time that the differences between Iowa State and let's say neighboring state institutions. I wouldn't I wouldn't say Illinois that's always been an outstanding school of course but I think even many Minnesota certainly Nebraska or Missouri or Kansas where I went to graduate school this was. One of the. Top unquestionably. But. Everybody everybody benefited from from Sputnik for example and the and the infusion of money and that's all to the good. And I'm not I'm not particularly in love with rankings anyhow so it doesn't bother me a great deal. But. At any rate that was sort of what the expectation was that we were we were a first rate institution and you had to be first rate. I think they almost hear Charlie gets saying that if you wanted to if you expected to get tenure here. What advice did. Yes. It would. Actually help if you say a few words about your background you know OK. Sure Warren raised educated OK how you came to Iowa City. OK. Oh yeah well. I was. Born in New York and slightly really a suburb of. New York City. Just upstate. Most of the suburbs are also some tough suburbs or in New Jersey I guess. And I went to the public school system until high school. I went to the most outstanding high school I think in my expect at my estimation in the United States. And it was. So it was a small progressive High School in downtown New York. And we had outstanding teachers very high academic standards but an incredibly open atmosphere of discussion and give and take and we called our teachers by their first names. Some people would automatically assume that means that they know they were lax and what was going to come of that wouldn't be very good quite the contrary. It was an outstanding basis. I then my my father took the position. That the Allied pineapple company and we moved to. Hawaii and I Lukin away for two years and went to the University of Hawaii and my experiences at the University of Hawaii quite frankly were among the most discouraging of my life. I mean I had come from one of the top. High schools I think in the United States. And at the time Hawaii was was a. Still a territory. And then the State University wasn't a state university it was a territorial University was lacked a great deal. So I transferred up to Berkeley and I started having to swim a lot faster and to keep up. But I gained a lot from that. A major component that I gained from that was exposure to Leo Brewer who is a a professor at at Berkeley who greatly influenced the way I thought about science and and he was a remarkable teacher and also a remarkable scientist. It was really a fantastic. Boon for me. And I went from there to the University of Kansas. Where I worked for one of Leo breweries students Paul Gillis. And. It turned out that when I got to Kansas I realized I was very naive at the time. I think I'm on average today. Graduate students are very very savvy about school rankings and. Things of that sort. But I was really naive. And I found out that. Kansas. Was had some some problems but they had they had some enormous. They had a great deal to give to. And and I benefited enormously from a situation there I might have been by virtue of my background at Berkeley. Kind of a. Big frog and a little pond frankly. But it was it was a great pond to be in. They had my my my major professor because of his training at Berkeley and his work with Leo Brewer was excellent at Applied applying thermodynamics to complex issues having to do with heterogeneous equilibria and high temperature multi phase condensed phase systems. And. On top of that they had just hired a theoretician who had gotten his had done his. Graduate work with somebody named Koenig at Stanford of whom I had not ever heard and have whom I have essentially never heard. But he did his postdoc with Kirkwood and I think that his approach to thermodynamics was completely. Sort of the opposite of the Berkeley approach. It was very Gibson and very and very enlightening and very empowering to have these discourses and to have at the same time my experiences with Paul Gillis in the lab and asking questions about practical matters and and questions having to do with heterogeneous equilibria which I know that his name was Dick Bierman that the professor and I know that he he was he was not an all knowledgeable and in fact used to make fun of people who worked on face diagrams because he did not realize the complexities and the difficulties but on the other hand he really he really understood how to. To put their money mix together in a logically consistent way and it benefited me both in my teaching and in my research for the rest of my life. It I actually are going to come and talk a little bit more about this later. But it it gave me. The opportunity I think to substantially improve. The way basically the way I. Understood and thought about those dynamics in a way that enhance my teaching and my research both. And so I. And then I went for a post-doctoral post-doctoral year at the University of Stockholm. And the reason I went there with this was very deliberate and very very I was. It was exactly the right thing for me to do. Because. I had developed an interest in heterogeneous equilibrium in the solid state. But I knew next to nothing about. The solid state in terms of structure in terms of how you determined structure and what what a structure might mean if you're going to interpret from. You have young people today for whom that second hand. But it was not. Known to almost anybody in the United States at that time. So it was a it was a.. It was when I when I log out I'll jump ahead a little bit when I first got started and I was trying to get tenure and I was trying to publish papers I'd get papers that were were questioned by referees because they didn't understand anything about the condensed case at all. They thought of everything in molecular terms and quite a bit later when I started doing lambda theory and working with with group theoretical solutions to Crystal graphic problems of a subtle nature. I found that you know I get questions back from referees which were based on point group theory and not space group theory because it comes just did not understand space group theory they didn't understand solids they had no appreciation for solids and and when they wanted to be disdainful they would say they would say something like well that's not chemistry that's metallurgy or you know something of that sort. And and that's the tide against which I had to swim in order to get get tenure. But. I didn't mind swimming because that was where my interests were and so so. So at any rate. So I went to to Stockholm and that was. Certainly one of the two or three top. Research institutions doing in organic Crystal graphic research on on solid materials of the kind that interested me a lot of what they worked on where they OK the reduced oxides of titanium and molybdenum and and materials for that sort and I I had become found that the full fights of the early transition metals proved a very interesting area in which to explore the possibilities of what might happen in the solid state. And I started there and and I I. Worked out a crystal structure of a material which had come out of it. When I when I. When I had finished my thesis my time for going to to Stockholm was off by about six months. So Paul put me on as a postdoc for six months I think that was common practice at the time. People had lots of money and I just could do anything I wanted. During that time sort of biding my time and I I picked up on material that I had started looking at as part of my solid state research. It was a full flight of vanadium. And I noticed a line splitting on the diffraction powder and nobody could explain to me what it was. If I hate people just did not have any awareness of what the solid state was all about and I certainly didn't and I took it with me there and I said let's do the crystal structure of this. And by today's standards even by the standards of those days when we were working with computers that had. Glowing diodes and tryouts in them and that was the computer that we used for working on it. But even in those days it was not a complex structure but it was an interesting structure because what it turned out was the structure was a broken symmetry a high symmetry form had that symmetry P6 3M and see which is. One of the very highest hexagonal symmetries but this was for foreign bank and we didn't even know that it was all around we had to demonstrate that it was on. And when you have a splitting like this these are very subtle things and you don't get a lot of evidence you don't get a whole plethora of evidence. So now we know what it is. But you have to kind of pick your way through the evidence that you have and say what does it mean. And we were able to do that and we saw the structure and what we found out was that it meant what it didn't mean was that this structure had just distorted slightly that is that whereas the ratio of the axes axial lengths would be. The square root of three Exactly. If you index the hexagonal on an author on this basis it was slightly off the square root of three. And of course it's just a teensy bit off the square three. That's where you don't get much evidence but something interesting physical is going on and what it is. I later came to find the physicists understood it a lot better than the chemist is one cos they would call a soft mode. Distortion at those times it's where you have basically an electron phone on interaction and the the the distortion. Which. Corresponds to a single irreducible representation of the group. And that's why group theory became such an important part of my learning experience in my in my whole career that that that that was. Just extremely important to see that and understand it and come to understand. So when I came to Iowa State that's what I that's the background that came with and and my advantages. Well what were the job expectations. I've kind of explained that. Oh yes. You tell me. How are you hiring or how. Oh yeah. Oh that allowed. There's an anecdote for you. Here's an anecdote. Do you mind if I tell it. OK. I think I ought to tell it. Yeah I'm trying to think of the name Dany. Adrian Day and Adrian Dany was a professor here who had gotten his degree I believe in chemistry and then gone on it's become a chemistry professor in metallurgy and he left Iowa State to become chair of the Department of K State and his position was vacant and. The people in the Ames lab felt that there was a vacancy there. If I say that American chemists don't understand the importance of the solid state but Adrian Dany did the metal or just did. And people in the Ames lab did and they wanted to get somebody who had that sort of orientation to to replace. Dany which is not the sort of thing that goes on at all anymore. I mean that's his that's really history. And so they knew that Paul Gillis trains students along those lines. And they. And so Don Barton was a friend of Paul's. He called Paul on the phone said you have a student to recommend said. Matter of fact I do. And he recommended me and he sent me a note that I should apply to Iowa State and I applied. They sent me application forms and I gave I filled them out and I gave them to the secretary and then I never heard and I was the secretary in this in that stock and in that in then in the. Chemist chemists chemistry Institute in Stockholm and I and. And. I heard nothing. For weeks now and I'm I'm even worried. I mean not telling us what an earlier time and when I applied here. I said to Susan I said I got this request to apply for a position at Iowa State I said I said might be OK. You know if I get the job and it doesn't work out we can always go on to something else. I had no idea what it was going to be like when I got here. None. I guess I was naive. And so when I didn't hear it was not well I wasn't crestfallen. I'd almost thought I'd forgotten about it when I got a telegram from Paul and the telegram said I quote it almost perfect verbatim. Fritz if you should ever hear from Iowa State again he said send a telegram. Telephone several letter by air mail but don't send a letter surface mail and that's Secretary. That's right. They were pretty naive there too. And those state surface mail meant it was put on a ship in Stockholm and in the middle of the winter it might take several weeks to get over to. Yeah really really I would never have. I would never have gotten this job in a modern but I mean I'm sure they're a lot savvier there now than 20 out high school got I still got the job I got there was no job interview associated with it they they just they hired me as an instructor. And that was so they would have and I was 78 hired seven eighths Ames lab because they were the ones that won a chemistry department. Imagine that. But you know it wasn't long before I was. Made a system Professor and and. Got into the normal track. But it was so established a little bit unusual. Earlier you said. I didn't have any idea what I was in for. So what were you in for. So I always say Yeah. Oh my gosh when I got here first thing it became immediately apparent to me that this was absolutely the place for me to be because the kind of interests that I had were in metals like tantalum Nairobi I'm. The rare earths. I don't know the scanning of is certainly rare earth but of course it's also a transition metal and and and. And these metals were available. On the market. But for the most part you could not trust their analysis of the problem in those days was that they they did not understand. That you might have oxygen nitrogen and hydrogen and as they do spectroscopy and that spectroscopy was enormously improved by Belmar facile techniques of couple plasmas but but it may be that as it may they. They just they they didn't they would they would they could send you a sample and it could basically be a reduced oxide. Just the sort of thing I'd be interested in. I've since I was in red sulphide if I made a synthesis I might have ended up with a Nazi sulphide at the level that interested me because I didn't know anything about the oxygen impurities. Well. The the the Ames lab of course. After the after the second world war they were awarded the the. It wasn't a deal at the time they were made an AC lab to as a reward for the work that they had done in the metallurgy of uranium which I had nothing to do I mean that was before my time but. In order to purify uranium they put together groups of metallurgists who understood the metals and our local chemists who understood analysis for carbon oxygen hydrogen nitrogen and in metals. And this was the lead place in the world for that. So I can walk down the hall and I could get. The purest scanning available in the United States or in the world and they would give it to me. And when I went to the Netherlands to visit for a table I said Yeah we were interested in scanning but it was something like. I think they were joking a million dollars an ounce or something like that. I wouldn't have said out they would have said gram. But it was it was out outlandishly expensive at any rate. But for me it was free. It was just I could just get it and. But more important than being able to just get it. I'm sure I could have gotten it if I really need it but I never could have counted on the disparity because nobody knew how to analyze. And they they knew here and not only that I could talk to metallurgists about you know and then and then you know were the very first thing I had to do to set up a lab was to set up an induction heater heating unit. And you know I tell you the number of chemistry departments that had induction heating units in in in as were they were they were you could list them on one hand I'm sure and they were basically Paul Gillis and his students several around his one of his students was they cater who taught at Iowa City and he had an induction furnace but the induction furnace allowed me to heat samples routinely and the tungsten atmosphere you know first of all in the high vacuum or what we call a high vacuum at the time. Was high enough for our purposes. Tantamount to 6:00. A.M. and just basically diffusion pump. And we we moved up as as as time went on to using other other techniques to get better and better vacuum. Did that at that level you really it may be that thermodynamic Lee you're still oxidizing the sample with your atmosphere but kinetically itself is so slow it's it's not it's not. Causing you any problems and furthermore a very interesting fact. Is the reduced oxide in a number of these. Let's take let's take let's take. Titanium for example if you're doing titanium chemistry. One of the most important vapor molecules of high temperature is t i. T I O not t i 0 2 with GI o at high temperature I sufficiently important at high temperatures it's got in it it's an important component in stellar atmospheres but even more important than that it's a real ale tool is the molecule of interest that high temperature chemistry. Now think about that means you've got aluminum. And H2O is is the stable entity in the gas phase the most stable entity although I don't usually use language in that way but most people understand what it means but. So what happens when you heat it up in a tungsten container is basically it's losing a L2 oh OK there's oxygen in the in the in the atmosphere that's containing it in the vacuum that's containing it and that's oxidizing the sample but at a much faster rate it's losing ale to older to the vapor phase. So you're basically reducing the sample. By by high temperature vaporization by sub oxide vaporization and and and so but but to get back to what I was saying the technology of induction heating I mean this is well known in the metallurgy was not well known then in the metallurgical community and so I could you know I could get hints on and help I had they had a glass blowers here who could blow quartz I needed to make point that the important jackets for my high temperature to contain my high temperature systems with quartz they were there pertain in vacuum but still the Pyrex was really not suitable there was a commercial product which was almost as good. I've lost the name of it. But quartz was the best and they could do quartz here and the machine shop could machine tungsten they had to use carbide tools but they could make tungsten crucible with excellently fitting live and very small well-defined orifices. And so it was it was the place for me to be when I got here and I realized that immediately and well and that is it doesn't even touch the most important part. It turned out that I think that. If I had stayed where I was. And with the training I had as a graduate student and even as an undergrad from Leo Brewer and Paul Gillis from Dick Berman and from the folks in Stockholm where we're all wonderful. I never would have had the fun and had achieved what I what I felt was most important and. This was when I got here. One of the most important members of the faculty was Bob Randall and Bob. Had as a matter of fact collaborated with folks to do primitive electronic structure calculations on T I O which is just the kind of material that interested me. And he was the only chemist who was doing anything like that and so had Bob lived. It would have been a fantastic I'm sure interaction. But he died shortly after I got here. He had a stroke and he died but the residue left behind. He was a very very strong. Figure. In in in in Vertigo Christine's mind for example and Bernie told me a lot of the things that. He learned from from Bob and taught me how to get started in group theory and this was something that Bob Rundle emphasized in his courses and how you use this Martorano was was very important in understanding of three center two electron bond. He was he was one of the very first people to get in on that and that's very close to metallic bonding and all of the things that did you become interested in when you're interested in it. In what. Covers at the time would contemptuously call alloys but I think their chemical is just as much as everybody else's chemicals or chemicals and well I mean anyhow. This was a great atmosphere to come into and. I could learn an enormous amount just by reading Bob's Randall's papers and and talking to people who had been influenced by him. And and this was this is a difference with metalwork just the metal were just at that time all the metal or just that I knew at that time were basically working in hard sphere models. And you know when you look at it where I mean you look at you look at the at the at the genesis of this and where does it come to today. It comes to where gordie Miller is for example we have a first rate really physical chemist doing creative inorganic chemistry in the solid state with a thorough understanding of band structure and what to do. I mean my group was one of the very first groups. There was another group in in we discovered after we were well along the way doing similar research with which we were in competition but the Duke band structure calculations on materials like T.S. and the nickel our solid structure and V.S. with the nickel Arseniy structure and look at differences and so forth and we didn't do that on our own. We were incompetent to do that. But Bruce Harmon. Cooperated with us so this is again where the Ames lab comes in. He was perhaps he's just a neat guy. That's all there is to it and he he was enthusiastic about about doing something like this with a chemist even though it wasn't first rate physics but it was it was an enormous boon to chemistry and it pushed it in a direction that now is it's now routine follows day chemists. They're all doing. Band structure calculations as a routine part of everything they do. And I was in on the absolute ground floor on that one of the instigators and I never would have been I can't say I did it all on my own I did it with Bruce Harmon and I did it with the with the with Bob Randall and I did it with Bernie Gerstein and the thing is that he helped me to understand that Bob and none and I did it with this understanding of this whole matrix of understandings that comes from. Being immersed in that environment. So yeah. So this was this was an A. And so this is why I can say I think with with complete honesty that I could not imagine having had a better career a more fulfilling and a richer career. And and you know and then just not just me my students and my postdocs felt the same way they we were we. It was really exciting to be involved in these things together. And and that's always a very important part of research is that you have that kind of human interaction being generated. And well I didn't I didn't leave the classical stuff completely because actually. My I became known for example and stood guard because of the metal rich compounds that I made. And then if you wanted to make it make a make up a story I could say well the reason I knew I could make these compounds is because I could envision the band structures and so I knew they would form and forget that I was just naïve and shooting in the dark but I was making materials like a success. A completely well or order perfectly crystalline structure with with strands of tantalum with HeLa seas of tantalum wrapped around them clustered together in a packing but but linked together with sulfur atoms and T8 to us with a very similar structure or t to us or end because we want to say TADS 3 all these metal rich compounds they just blew everybody's mind away because as I said chemists chemists. Learn their chemistry as freshmen chemists they learned that metals react with non metals and you get compounds of ions that a lot of the criticism like got people would ask me questions that had to do with ionic radii and these are it's more like an outline and that's probably why sulfur. Was so important oxygen goes in interstitial C and they're more like alloys but with the oxygen interstitial iron that's easy for a chemist to envision today because of so many things that mean. But the sulfur tends to be more of a component within the structure itself because sulfur is closer to being a metal than oxygen it's not as hard in the language of the inorganic chemistry it doesn't tend to polarize its environment as strongly and so if you you know if you if you once once I tumbled to the idea that hey there's a whole lot of neat em why why why would the Ames lab be interested why would the Department of Energy be interested. Well you know this this is perhaps. One of. The weakest links. I think that they are to be greatly credited for having. Funded. Getting started what is now a very active area of research all over the world. And and and people like Brent Albrecht and. Subject Kim in Korea. She was a she was in my group. One of the students I ever heard. And. Barak postdoc with me. And while I don't want to go on and on. But but basically. They they are are are doing what they're doing today. Because this has. Come to fruition and there's so much interesting science to be done. I mean it. It evolved into and I got out just at a critical time but it got evolved also into a lot having to do with Quasar crystals. But I never I never really I wasn't. I could not remain active. I went on my grant. I I thought I should not go on. Taking money from the deal we know how it was retired but I thought I could do sort of what caused it. I have a postdoc. And and and go on doing research and I applied to the. NSF and I got two excellent reviews I got one really lousy review and I could tell somebody that basically was a competitor of mine and he he felt he had to say something bad about nothing substantial in his critique but the most damning critique came from someone and I think I knew. But it doesn't matter who said basically that this is beautiful work and Franzen should do it but he's always been funded by the DOJ should be funded by the deal. He didn't know what my circumstance was here. So the response I got from the NSF was that they agreed with that and that I shall apply to the DOJ. And I thought you know I exactly I was doing this because I thought this was the appropriate thing and appropriate time for the NSF to step in and do that. So I was that was what I that I and I had I had a postdoc coming from the 80s ha in Zurich where I had a visiting professor just prior and so he was a fantastically gifted guy and I'm sure he would have done some very nice things but it never came to fruition. But. Health. Life like that. But at any rate. I forget where I was now I'm going kind of stream of consciousness but why I asked you. What did you mean when you said you didn't do it you were. Oh yeah right. I've kind of explained that and it was a lot. Yeah right. And and I but I was I was also trying to explain that that that. That. Why why it was so fulfilling for me because it was basically it was an opportunity what I was saying to it that the early work that I was doing this in organic chemistry was not. You know following theory it was just hey if I can make this what I will be and what happens if I try and let me know how these things were coming out and the crystallography was in those days wasn't completely trivial. Nowadays the computer solves structures in those days we had to use Patterson maps and figure them out and that was fun too. But basically. That's that that's. That was not. A trivial endeavor because it really pushed people to understand that there's a lot of complex and interesting chemistry like ultimately the quayside crystals and that comes out of understanding this kind of chemical interaction and being open to it and not assuming that everything is just an an iron an academy and packing together and forming a lattice which is what they learned in freshman chemistry and so I think the I think the lab I think my my early senior colleagues Iowa state the GOP for that DC deserve a lot of credit for having the imagination to support this research and and it was it really worked out extremely well. So I was in. That's what I meant when I said I was in for a lot more than than I ever would have expected. And and what other advice to other professors give you. None. None. And and you know and actually I am. And then later in my life I became involved several times in the in the university agreements committee procedure. And. I felt that I had something to offer there because of the way on one hand I'm not just a pushover. But on the other hand I think I sometimes see things more imaginatively than some of my colleagues tend to take a very well the only published 18 papers or something and I said well let's let's let's look at those papers I would say you know let's see what the quality of the work is let's try to examine this in a more depth. And and so by the same token I have a feeling that if if they'd been counting my papers in the first couple of years I would not have made it but they could see. How I don't know that they could see the promise in this research not in me perhaps because as I say I was just just putting things together and heating up to fifteen hundred seventeen hundred degrees Celsius and seeing what happened and doing Mr. crystallography. But it was a lot of fun. But I when I was involved in this work as a doing as a. Dealing with grievances I was asked to serve on a small panel to advise young faculty members and they and what my advice was I said you'll get a lot of advice from senior professors. I said don't believe any of it. Do what you do best. Do it as best you can and be prepared to stick by it in the end. I saw so many examples on that committee of people who took somebody's advice maybe a chairman's device said We'd like to have this program and spent their whole life developing the program. The chairman has left the Times have changed a new chairman concerns and you haven't published enough he said well I was hired to set up this program. Well I don't know about that but you did. Our criteria after all so I said you know. To which you can you can you can you can do it so. I always felt that that you know if I was going to do it I could do and it may have seemed kind of simplistic to me at times because as I said sometimes I I the theory wasn't there yet still not there that in a sense but be that as it may. I it was what I wanted to do and if it didn't work. Then it was a different time also I was I was prepared to say this is what I want to do. This is what I like doing it seems to be working. And that was largely my intuition and my hunch but I think it paid off. But OK but it was it was anyhow I took my own advice. What can you tell me about the dynamics among the faculty. Not a lot but what topics were most controversial and Lauren and I have something to tell you about that. The first most controversial topic perhaps isn't really controversial but during the first year I was there a large part of the discussion was how to get. Clouds Rutenberg back from Johns Hopkins and these were there were three persons involved. Initially Bob Rundle until he died and Bob Hansen and Larry Bartell and they were saying you know what were the chances and what to look at them I think do and how might they proceed. Because they understood he wasn't happy there and that he might get it back. And I didn't have any idea again Ken I didn't have any idea what that meant. I'm not now that I know close I could see. Holy smokes Was that ever the right thing to do. But at that time you know but that was a big discussion at that time. But then. After that we got to the point where we're going to revamp the curriculum. And the curriculum. When I first came here our incoming. And this is I'm talking about now not the total faculty. But the faculty. That was what was important to me. And that became faculty. The discussion was about basically about how to modernize the curriculum. And by this time we were having this discussion we had hired. By the home we are having this discussion we had hired Dave Hoffman. And I could immediately see I already knew I knew enough about quantum mechanics to know I mean statistical mechanics excuse me to know that this was what we wanted to be teaching as introductory material and and and the irony is Everybody expected me because of my. Thermodynamics orientation to be opposed to this. And I never was never. I was always 100 percent in favor of changing the curriculum. What I wanted and I keep kept telling people I said there are some students from this department who are going to go into jobs. Particularly in industry. Where it's going to be very helpful and for them to understand how to apply thermodynamics to complex chemical systems. And I think that a graduate level and courses in in in physical chemistry the way I teach it. Is both intellectually challenging and very helpful for that. And I've had enough feedback from students over the years that indicated to me that was dead on the mark. But be that as it may I never had a single chem student never 1 they all said yeah yeah yeah. We don't want to you know take pick em out of the required curriculum for the physical. We're all advised our students to take your course and you know and they never did. Nobody did ever not. I had what I had was I had students from solid state chemistry. And I could tailor my course to the solid state in particular and I had many of them tell me in retrospect how important the course was to them. I dealt with matters having to do with a lot of people really don't understand that Gibbs faith. It's a lot more fundamental than people realize and a lot of it had to do with showing how you can use this in experimental design and how you can get to the right conclusion about how many degrees of freedom there are which no textbook does right. OK. That's something I had to offer that was rejected in a way. So when you say. It was there was controversy about revising the curriculum that was the graduate curriculum. Yeah. Yeah right. But the goal yes. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There was also controversy about revising the curriculum every time that came up. I mean I don't know anything about it. I didn't. That was never asked. I was not until much later in my career asked to teach freshmen and I didn't know what an abysmal. Test that was because in my estimation what you're asked to do in teaching their classes is to repeat the lies that are in the textbook and sort of an. And if you if you. Make the effort of trying to say well this isn't exactly right. Hybridization is not not really a real thing or or you know or or or whatever the idea happens to be that that that you're talking about. All you do is upset hundreds of students because they want something that they can hold on to. And so you're forced to follow the textbook even though the textbook is June and and and and I think in a way in terms of really teaching chemistry counterproductive. I always believed that so and when opportunities came I always voted for efforts to try to change our curriculum. But but basically the inorganic chemists were always behind it because they didn't like the ordeal of having to teach freshman chemistry that freshmen kept that already aren't inorganic chemists felt that they were more or less hired in order to have somebody to teach. Freshman chemistry. And at that that's the way it was. Many departments across the country. And they wanted to do other things. And well they should have. And I sided with them. We should change the curriculum. But many people. Did not want. To have any part of that. We wanted to create a freshman course that was more open more very more a mix and and and and more mature. But it never happened. So it was a bit of a controversy but I was I was never surprised that it didn't happen because there were a lot of very conservative folks on the faculty in those days but. Also I must say that the controversy about thermodynamics and The Graduate curriculum in the piquant side that was a controversy that didn't really exist. It was a controversy everybody against me but I wasn't against them it was really strange. Did the faculty interact socially. Right now. How do I get into that. Sure. Well when we came. They did a lot. And you commented and we invited you over when you came but everybody. And by I don't mean everybody literally but I'm a member going to these dinner parties. And in those days a dinner party was a big deal. I mean it was hours of work. And. This was it. And they at least a way I understood it. You. Reciprocated with another dinner party. And. So. The. Well it seemed to me natural then that when new faculty came that we would invite them over and the first couple of years our friends were new faculty. And then came the tenure decisions. And so I. Yeah. And some who are those who are the new facts. Who are your contemporaries. They didn't get tenure. I mean that's why I'm was fired saying the same time as Jim Edmundson and Bob. Smith. Yeah and their joke in the joke was and they they were all hired the same year. And I don't know the others too probably had interviews. But it was they've hired three people who could fill this that they only need to. So I didn't know that joke. Oh well I'm OK. I think you may maybe somebody said that in jest at that effort at the reception it gets us. And things were very formal. I mean this the chair gave the sessions every fall. And the faculty member in Europe fairly close would invite you to the social event in conjunction with the president's reception which was at the Union where you drank cocoa and danced. If you they had an orchestra. And. So so my went with the assumption that our friends would be. Chemistry faculty. And young and we would you know serve this almost immediately elder role. Well what happened was right away. I mean within a year or two. I don't remember exactly how this was through. There was of course there was Jerry Pierson there was Barney but we were never very close. No. But there were Holloways. And there was a I can't so Coach I want to say DeFazio. That's not right to. Oh. He went to work for Johnson's Wax. Oh no that was seven or no. I went to work for Johnson's Wax and it's called it's colder. Anyhow. But. Oh these people were our friends and then they didn't get tenure. And so what we realized is it's not a good idea to be friends with people you're going to be sitting on panels judging. And even if you mean you're either seen as their friends so you're you know or you really feel they shouldn't get tenure and then that's painful. So so basically except for the worse things we just pulled out and we didn't have friends who were chemists anymore anyway. I mean even among people who had tenure. Well we sort of did. We were friends with that. Well we played bridge in a group one when Bob Rundle died. They needed a fourth for their bridge for it. They needed a sixth or an eighth couple so they needed a couple. To fill out their bridge group and it wasn't only chemists but Charlie Knights was. And Dexter French who was of course the biochemist but he's been in the chemistry department and hardy deal. And voice and voice paid off. And. Mary every night. And since we were we were filling in for Randall's. This is a generation beyond us. And it was it was it was not a fun group. Were always talking about their children and we didn't know their children how so-and-so did. I don't know whether they can fill us in. We just sat there and sort of you know it was rather people well then and then there was another another. I guess I shouldn't talk about that. We were invited to to be in the party that almost our peers. Bridge Group and. There was. Basically we just decided we and I became mildly interested in bridge at one point never never really strongly. But I realized that. It was. To do it well. I would take more effort than I really wanted to put into it. So and I guess that that group they actually did play a good bridge. That was the other thing the group we were in. Oh. It was. A hell not not a. It was interesting. But but the other thing that they had when we came and you've seen the tail end of that which is changed. They had chemistry. And chemistry circle was entirely the wives of chemists and post faculty of postdocs except for Rachel Edgar. And do you know you have anything about Rachel I know of her as she was lovely. I don't know what she taught. She must have taught chemistry for Home Ec students and an unmarried woman. Very very sweet. Kathy Speck thinks that Rachel's ghost haunts the union because apparently she lived there and died there. Basically I didn't realize that she lives there but she was. It anyhow. But other than that it was all. Chemistry wise and it was also very formal. The president was always the next. The wife of the person who had been hired next. And when we came to Jim first his wife at the time who was mentally ill. I think we didn't say she wasn't gonna be president. We just kind of worked around her so you know other people did the did the organizing and I think it was stuck. I think for some reason that Kathy Trotsky and I were on about the same time and I don't know whether she wanted to kill it as badly as I did. But basically. About that time it died. People say they really miss it but I have to say. Over the years. We have a number. Of. Invitations to Bob Hansen's. Oh yes. Where we. Met. Extremely interesting people had. Unusually fine food lots of martinis a great time lots of martinis unfortunately and had a great time. It was that was that was really sweet. Yeah well we always felt now that was interesting. We always felt that this was this these were real gestures of friendship and we didn't. It wasn't mostly chemistry in fact it was almost never chemistry. It was other people. And it was they were lovely and they were. Yeah. So in a way my contact was. With. Bob was all through chemistry. So I think of that as. He was. But as she said this wasn't really a chemistry function in any sense but this was still a social activity. Involving chemists. Well it was another thing and I don't know whether this is the kind of thing you should turn your recorder off for and this is an impression I had that I think Fritz had also. But it's partly second hand and that is that Fritz was even people who liked him like Bob Henson didn't take him seriously. He was kind of the the kid you know. And as a matter of fact I want to go sailing on weekends right. I'm going a serious kind of go sailing on weekends. Well but it's also your manner. Yeah I mean may I tell the tenure story you probably have the tenure story. The. Promotion story. Driven. Well. They asked for a list of people who would write letters in your field write letters for you. And I want to go back to the year prior to that. OK. I was a full professor and I was an associate professor and I was being considered for full. And plows Rutenberg who. Met me between spending Hall and Gilman Hall one just by chance and his old friends he said by the way. He said I'm I'm I'm responsible for you evaluating your veto for promotion to full professor. You didn't see your full professor because. We. Both did that. What what what should I consider. I said oh I said I'll give you a list of people to contact around the world. And it's about the meeting is tomorrow. I said OK thanks. So the next year they were they were a little more on the ball. And then they they they they asked me and I had I had letters from the professor of organic chemistry at Stockholm. The professor of organic chemistry at Oxford. A top producing high temperature chemist at Argonne sort of and who is an important member of the high temperature chemistry Gordon conference and the high temperature temperature conferences. He was well known to high temperature chemists and. Leo Brewer. Was. And and France yelling at the top inorganic chemist in the Netherlands. And I think I had a couple more of that. That was the list. So. You can get in. And it's over. It must have been lousy letters and I was downcast I went in and John Corbett said yes. But they didn't vote to promote your message. I was concerned. I was relevant and now I thought I thought I was doing pretty nice work. But I guess I wasn't if these guys didn't like it. And he said Here let me read you and he pick a letter some letters and he started reading from me. And each time he read I got I felt higher and higher and more elevated more elated. People were saying absolutely exquisite things about my research. I mean it was just so. And I thought oh boy this is great. This is what I came in here for is to be buoyed up. And I don't. I got up to leave and wait a minute. While behind why wasn't I promoted. He said Well somebody on the faculty said so Fritz got a bunch of his drinking. I don't know any of those people Fritz got a bunch of his drinking buddies to write letters for him and at. And I know who that was. And it was an organic chemist. And and and so everybody voted with him because he was a very important member of the department. And that's what he said. And I wouldn't expect an organic chemist to know any of these people are prestigious people from all around the world. And you know. I fault the chairman at the time for not confronting that and asking what on earth do you mean by that remark that passes for serious discussion sometimes in some of our meetings unfortunately. But it's OK. I mean if I got promoted the next year 0 0 0 last year. But but but anyhow. Well actually there's another side to that that I that I thought many many times and that is as you may could infer knew anyway. Frist is much better known and more respected in Europe than in the United States. And so that's that's the good side. I mean. Not being so well known here in America meant that there wasn't a lot of pressure and in those days there wasn't pressure to go to meetings the way there is now. I mean you know you didn't listed a lot more to this meeting this meeting this thing. I mean Fritz went to the ones he thought were important he was the go Gordon conference. He didn't always go to the easiest meetings I think. Oh gee I went to a few and it was just a. Waste of time. But anyway so he went and he but he always went to the meeting that. In Europe and he was always funded to go to it. That was in his exactly his area where all the compounds of transition elements and so and of course this is one of the reasons why we cut to go to Europe several times because they were doing the work. And he was welcome there and it was exciting. So in a way that was the good side and the bad side because there's some there. There's some good things about being sort of left alone as long as you can get your funding. The other thing was that the funding story that that last time you had to apply for a grant was one is that the only time I may not have had to you know I might have been able to coerce the AC or that the deal we had ended. I didn't know but I just didn't want to. I didn't want to I just I just flat out didn't think it was fair or right. I thought that this was the right thing to do. But you see this is a different time. I mean somebody was out to get around. OK. Wouldn't be doing research before we go on. Yes we can back up you can tell us a bit about yourself. History. What do you mean backup backup now. All right yeah. And where were you born and raised educated. Well this is like the story about how Fritz got the job. This is a different time. Things were very different. We were married. After I had graduated from a two year school within a Stephen's College in Columbia Missouri. I was from Junction City Kansas and Ami town and I grew up in a hotel which gave me a very cosmopolitan view of the world in spite of the fact that it was a tiny town because there were people coming from all over the world or going to all over the world all the time. I mean interjected the census is for history that she was an absolutely outstanding student. She said she had won more honors and recognition than you could shake a stick at. Yeah well Stacy this is talk about big big big frogs and little puddles. Yes I had won every award. Stevens I mean I couldn't believe it. They must not have had anybody else to give awards to. I won Outstanding in math outstanding in history humanities awards that had never been won before by any one person. Yes but I didn't have any. I really didn't know what I wanted to do. And this was a time when. The the the default was you don't get married don't do anything. I don't mean it that way. I meant that when I got married at. 18 which was 22 we'd met in Hawaii. And I was not sorry to take a few years off. I tried to get jobs I was woefully ill prepared to get jobs. How did you meet in Hawaii. What time away. I went to summer school there after my first year at Stevens. My my mother was distressed that I was spending all my time studying this social life. So she thought it'd be nice if I. But she doesn't expect to come back engaged. And Francis parents were living there. The father was a consultant for a pineapple company. And that you heard about is being actual used by this time of birth. Soon the Berkeley home for the summer working in the lab at U of 8. I mean a boy in Pine. And. So we met the first week I was there and we went out every night for six weeks and when we parted I figured I'd never see him again. And. Lo and behold lo and behold he came for Christmas. And when my father's heart by eating the awful meal that I prepared with blinking an eye my father I guess thought well either either he really or he has no taste. And so we were married the following June after being. Together. I mean physically in the same place less than 10 weeks. And. This is. People we had a we had a baby. Well we went back to Berkeley finish finished his last semester. And I had a lot of interesting part time jobs. And then we went then he got this job at University of Kansas. Partly. And I this is my memory. Partly because they gave him an assistantship. And as they were. Partly because. I'll go with Leo's first student. And it probably got a good letter of recommendation. And also they needed somebody to teach him lab and they didn't have very many people to do that of course coming from Berkeley that was no. You know. That was no problem. And. So we were back in Kansas and I was pretty disgusted. I thought I met a married man who grew up in New York City. Lived in Hawaii graduated Calif. University California. And here we are in Lawrence. We both have many times. We're a wonderful place it was. For us. It's a. It's a great town. Yeah it's good. Yes it is. When we first came here people were sort of condescending when we said we come from Kansas. They said oh you must be. This is back in the 60s early. Oh you must be delighted to have gotten away from Kansas City name. No. Not exactly because it was and that's the big difference is that you was not. State University of Kansas. This was not Kansas State it was a full university and that they had drama theater they had music. They had a very lively. Intellectual. Climate. They sometimes called the. Oxford on the car. I don't remember. There was maybe a bit pretentious. But it's it's it's a it's a fun place. It was a fun place for us to be at the time. Oh yeah. But the thing that's really different is by the time Fritz graduated we had three children. Oh so when we went to Sweden we went with three preschoolers. And really came to Kansas our oldest. Entered first grade. Because we. Yeah he entered first grade because he skipped kindergarten because he went to a Montessori school. OK. So in. Berkeley when you left Berkeley you had three children. No no. We were only there six months not knowing when we came to we want to go. We didn't when we had when he was in graduate school. You don't have graduate students today they have three children. OK. But it wasn't uncommon there. There was somebody who was a graduate student with him who had four children. I think he was a veteran but it wasn't unheard of and usually and I felt enormously. Fortunate and Rich I had we had I had a little help. We had a little help from my parents because I was an only child and. My parents were elderly and so. So I didn't have to work. As a secretary which was a good thing because I wouldn't have been able to I couldn't type very fast then. But in any case. So I was fortunate that I didn't have to work. But also this is another time when he. Got a really special. He got some kind of a scholarship and he actually got two hundred dollars a month. And we did have as I said we had some help with our rent but we paid our utilities and food and gas for our car and repairs for the car and clothing and two hundred dollars spent three three with three children now. But. So. So this was very different. And we went. I mean the time that we were in Ames was the great shift when when Alice was in. First grade I remember going to a PTA meeting. Only mothers. But all the mothers. I think there were twenty five. And at that time I think I'd started back to school. And I was the only mother. Who was. Not at home full time. By the time she was in high school. I was 12 and I was selling her. Well it's all right because I'm gonna be a teacher. That's. And. I was the only mother who wasn't. So. So it was a. It was a. Very very different time. OK shall I move on. How is your research funded. I think I've described that pretty well. Yeah. And what did I have to do in order to get the funding. Just do what I did I guess I. I didn't ever think about it that way. I just. If they'd come and told weren't going to fund you anymore I guess I would have ended think about it but. I didn't have to think about it very much. Why did you even make you most proud. I I describe that but basically it was. It's. Just the whole. The whole ball of wax. The. The. Pushing chemistry into the realm of. Compounds in which metal metal bonding was. The. Essence which as a result of which I started earlier to to talk about why would the Department of Energy be interested in this. Well all of these materials are synthesized that at. Fifteen hundred to 2000 degrees. Celsius distances. That's like white hot or certainly. Yeah really basically white hot. And so they're at their high temperature materials. So the question of what compounds are stable at high temperatures in order to start thinking about that you have to start thinking first of all what compounds are there at high temperatures and what are the what's the nature of their bonding and what works. Why do they form and then. Go on from there. And that's that's I think. And why would you want to know what compounds are stabilize everything and think of all sorts of things cladding and and and and. Attack on components in an energy conversion devices turbine blades. What have you. So they're there. Well ultimately I believe. Quite certainly that the understanding that we will have to develop as we push our technologies to greater and greater efficiency by driving our our energy conversion to higher and higher temperatures will have to understand the nature of chemical compounds inside solid compounds in high temperatures. And we had actually no knowledge of those things at all except what the metalwork just gave us and they looked at things from. A metal and surgical point of view rather than a chemical point of view and we were there's reason to be interested in the chemistry. Okay. So and. So the achievement of that made me most proud really is is sort of the whole thing of. Finding the new materials and providing understanding of the crystal the understanding of the crystal structures and the sort of morphological basis for the formation of the compounds understanding of the of the band structures of a number of solids and how they relate to the properties of the solids and stability properties. And my work on the land our theory and second order phase transitions and I prefer to call them symmetry breaking transitions. That's what they really are. And I'm proud of all of that. It just gives me a great sense of satisfaction. To have been. Part of it. What was your philosophy in running your research group. I'm not sure I ever had one exactly. Part of my philosophy was to treat my students as human beings and not never as a pair of hands to try to be interested in their overall education. And and and to push them in those cases where they had a tendency and there are a few students from this didn't work that out of my group to push them a little more to be a little more imaginative in the physics they might understand in order to better better understand what they were doing their things. I mean there were two routes to being a solid take chemistry in the early days in particular and one group was sort of the the the easy route where you didn't have to know a lot of physics and physical chemistry you just sort of learned how to do the structures and had the computer basically do the structures and then there was where you're trying to push the understanding of the sort of the outgrowth of the of the the Rundle ideas and and that's kind of where I was. That was my philosophy. That's why I was in physical chemistry division and that's where I wanted to be for that reason. And. So I pushed students. To become. Better more deeper and have a deeper understanding of physics and would be there otherwise natural inclination. And if they if they just weren't up to that then then they usually decided to do something else. But many of them weren't. What part of his job do you enjoy the most. Well I really think that it's hard to say the whole thing was just the joy from one end to the other. But but for me one important component. Were the. Were the. Various I think just marvelous. And I'm just really chagrined that there's even a concern about whether we should have faculty improvement leaves or not. I open on faculty approvingly first to the Netherlands. For nine months and then then then to. Still stood guard the box like Institute for six months and then too often for three months. You see. That's the reason they're called lessons a lesson planning time for a line from Alice in Wonderland. But basically these were incredible experiences because in each case I found that the groups were were interested in the same things that I was interested in but their interest came from a different orientation and and so it was very stimulating to sort of have the ideas bounce back and forth and and see what came of it and something inevitably came of it and it was it was a lot of fun. What phase of your career did you enjoy the most. Yeah setting up the middle part of. The whole thing. Actually I didn't I didn't really have a peak. But I guess the last the last few years I guess before I retired. We're kind of discouraging because I couldn't get that funding that I'd hoped for from the NSF and. I have always. Always I think more so than most. I don't know I don't want to feather a feather in my cap. But I have been. Absolutely. Mad about. Going over my lecture. Over and over and over again and fine tuning in and saying Do I really understand this point. Do I really understand this. Is this really what I want to say. Is this being said in the responsible way and to the point where I think I've honed what I had to say. So it never became boring for me because I was I was always being innovative and and the thing that was discouraging is while while I was doing that I found the student body was going in the other direction. Iowa State was hard bringing in students who were looking at Iowa State as kind of a job training thing. And basically what they said you know you may be enthusiastic about this stuff but all they tell me this right to my face all I want is a job and you're making it more difficult for me to get it because you're you're putting all these difficult concepts in the way and and you know and an enormous difficulty with teaching physical chemistry is they learn a lot of these things. GIBBS free energy melt freezing point depression. Basic ideas of boiling points freezing points as freshmen and I think they already know it. And of course when you go back and reteach it from the point of chemical potential and thermodynamics surfaces it's a lot deeper understanding that you get it but they don't want that. They just want to have something that they can satisfactorily answer a question many of them many of them I had some marvelous students but many of them at so many that it was just got. A little bit depressing. To have to deal with that level of anti intellectual ism and in the classroom and so that was that was probably by that that period was perhaps a little bit down. But I didn't I didn't leave the university angry I didn't leave it upset I left it was still with a high level of enthusiasm and and and my sense of physical chemistry I think is you know so you know like he wouldn't I don't think he'd be there if I'd gone around grumbling all the time. He's having a great time to. Have real problems with funding. Yeah. It's a lot harder now. Over the years the department changed greatly. Can you give an example of a change that was good and a change that was bad. You know because of the way because of what my research interests were and and because of sort of the way I did things it turned out. People ask me what do you think of this dinner that the beans never impacted on my life. But department chairmen essentially never impacted on my life. I mean Mike my life was sort of independent of the department and independent of the college it was just it was not that I didn't I didn't feel that I belonged but it just it never it never became an issue for me it was it was it was just I was. But on the other hand. When I did have to deal. With a department in the early days. I felt that there was a lot of. I don't know what to call it other than sort of. Stinginess mental stinginess and inability. I think that I think I think one one thing that I noticed is when when when when my colleagues were evaluating people for promotion and tenure it was clear to me that a lot of them carried a model in their mind. What does it mean be successful. It means to do the sort of research that I do the way I do it. And if somebody did something different from a different perspective then they were they. It wasn't appreciated and I'm much more inclined to I think to see Hey that that's got a lot of promise. And to be hopeful and to be encouraging and and and I think that I think it was much too much the other way I'd met only somebody with my attitude can get hoodwinked. But but I don't think I'm that easy to fool. But but but but you can go overboard and be you know. I think that just because somebody is imaginative they're necessarily going to make a good professor but be that as it may I think it can go it was way too easy in the early days. Go way the other way is to say the highest praise that a lot of my colleagues in the early years could give other colleagues who say he plays his cards close to his chest and when she said that you know that I wasn't taking taken seriously because I did not I never played my cards close to my chest. That's not my way. It's not what I believe in. And that was that was that was. But I think that department changed enormously. And we had a really strength of. Fine. Chairs who I think understood the balance between between you know creativity imagination and and encouragement and and having standards and values and and and and doing what needed to be done. And that that was a very definite change for the better. And I'm not naming any names but you know who they are. And. I can't think of a change for the bad. I really can't because as I say there probably have been some as far as many people are concerned but none of it ever really impacted on the oh I will say this with with one of our chairs once. When I was. Everything was fine and I was happy with a research group of. Three students on a postdoc. Something about like that I didn't want 15 students I didn't want 37 students I wanted three students and a postdoc. Because enough that I went in and I talked to my group every day I knew what everybody was doing they knew what I what my ideas were. And this has its drawbacks in the sense that they may rely too heavily on me but I don't think I was I don't think I was did that price very very significantly. But at any rate this chairman that I'm thinking about said that the department would like to have you. This was. Yeah. This was before the time when I went for this NSF grant. That department would like to have you go get funding from outside because you know because the funding that you get from the from the Department of Energy isn't recognized in the country and in order to enhance the reputation he told me the you should go out and get funny money and you know I I I said you know I don't understand this and I suppose I mean if I went out and got the money then do I do I tell that the Ames lab that I don't want their money anymore or does that mean I have to have a larger group than I want. I had no idea it wasn't made clear to me exactly what they wanted except they wanted to enhance the prestige of the department. And I thought that I was what I was doing in a sense in a sense. I argued. Nationally I was on the I was on a panel in Washington for an. Advisory to the National Research Council. Academy of Science for a number of years. And my mind to whatever extent anybody listened to me when I sat with people on that at that panel many of these very serious many of the solid state physicists would say to me you know they would say you guys at Ames haven't made you just you just have a lock on the money and you don't have to. You just do whatever you want and I said I say that is true. And I said and furthermore. There is there is something inherently. Fallacious in some cases of having to requiring of faculty members that they chase after new money every three years so they have to change their research ideas. I said I will admit. That there is a red thread that runs through my research and that I can trace what I'm doing today back to what I was doing in 1963. But I think that's good not bad. It's not because I got stuck in a rut and did the same old thing over and over again. And the model you have in your mind is that just because somebody has continuity in their research they're just turning your crank and doing the same old thing. And I just don't believe that. I don't think it's necessarily so and I know it's not so in my case and and so I guess that I had I was a bit resistant to the suggestion that I that I go for NSF money for all the reasons I mentioned that I wouldn't have known quite what to do with it and I wouldn't know No I didn't know quite know why I should do that. And then again I didn't know if I did that. But I have to. All of what I have to write a proposal that would be something completely different than what I was doing now because I really want to do the next step. I really wanted to fill in some of what I saw as as the as the building the building understanding of the interaction between theory and experiment and solid state chemistry. So are there are there other stories you would like to tell. I have I have a lovely anecdote that I love to tell it does. It wasn't told to me. It was told to me by Bob Hansen. And he supposedly got it from. From. Does this about spending. Yeah about Frank spending. And. And. He said that the. Folks who are concerned about such things and we have a lot more of them now than we did in those days you know the folks who are concerned about security came to see Frank and and and said Well I'm not going to lie. We're not happy with the way you're running your operation here. He said they said. This is the story as well. Hansen don't listen. I said. For example if if somebody wanted to spy they could put a person with a telescope on that building across the street and they could read every paper that comes across your desk and spending may be apocryphal but I love this story. It's supposed to have said you know if I. Could control a foreign espionage agent and want to completely waste time that's exactly what I would do I put the telescope every piece of paper that comes across. Wonderful. No no story. Yeah. But. So. In the early days of the Ames lab I used to have a badge and it was a badge rack. And when I came in I got my badge and wear a badge during the day. We were still. Part of the EEC. And I had to have two clearance which is amazing a radical like me and I could get our. And and. I had to if I was going to go up to the lab I could only go in the front door couldn't go in the back door like I can't now. I guess you saw in the back door and I had to sign in at the desk or at least wave at them because they knew me. I came often enough and it was we had just come. We had been. At Los Alamos though so having the badge. And of course I couldn't go in the lab at Los Alamos at all. So it didn't seem so strange but. When we went. To summers during my summer student there. Oh for you know. It was it. Was a wonderful experience. And we actually set on was a baby that they were their analysis was born there. Me Yeah the atom bomb. Well. So. This what you wanted. That's exactly. What I wanted. I mean whatever you wanted to give us. OK. OK good. Good. Would you like to. Say anything more. Susan. Well. I think not. I mean. We always discussed what was happening a lot. And so there's some things that. You know that I have impressions about but they're secondhand anyway. First I want to tell them they they are not to be told. That's the one thing though that I would add that those last year's Christmas emphasizing that the teaching and how frustrating it was not to have students who were interested. But the. The drop off in funding and of course it came in in the labs you know the steps down. Was. Definitely. Was seriously helped by the fact that he had a number of postdocs from. I guess the ones from Germany Austria. Yeah. Who came with their own money. And I mean this is the benefit of being known in Europe because he didn't have to provide them with money. And in fact his last graduate students who did the last graduate student with salary I I we proud of course we supplied equipment. Oh well yeah equipment but I mean you had two or three with. What was the award that. Yeah. But anyhow and of course it wasn't a year he did have the support as a graduate student but he was. He really was almost like a postdoc because he had it roughly. Well that was my last. My last. Student. And he's he's. From. Ukraine Ukraine. I have to hesitate because I can say the Ukraine and he corrected me. Ukraine came from Ukraine and he worked in Germany. With Wolfgang trauma Wolfgang Trammell and Wolfgang colonel had worked in my lab for a short period of time. I mean it became the thing to do in Germany to pass through but to spend some time in Fritz's lab and they all went away great place. So I was positive but you can now be a bishop of science and. And so Yuri came to Iowa State from mice with essentially a completed thesis in mice specifically into to work. With me. Just when I was retiring and so much of the time that he was there here. I was away. Because I was actually I was retired and or at any rate Enrico was partially retired but I retired maybe I was here for one year at first and then yeah but I lost that time you were fully retired that's a success story. He just got tenure at McMaster and I'm so pleased for him because he was one competent fellow. He he did beautiful work. And he did it. With. Verve and enthusiasm but it's kind of it's the kind of. Kind of. Interaction that I that I. I. Enjoyed most throughout my career really. I have I have I have. My my of my very earliest students are retired themselves now. One of them just retired as a vice president in the national nickel company. He was a vice president in charge of the environment. And he worked on. Two of the very early crystal structures that we did. And his name is Bruce Kleiner. And. And at the same time Joe Brown retired and Joe was an enormously talented guy. But he never got an academic position. He was he was actually a spectroscopy. And I was there was a time when I had a chance to either go into. Spectroscopy in my group or in solid state. And spectroscopy we were doing was Matrix isolation spectroscopy and needed beautiful work. But he went on to work for some very famous guys and he still didn't get it get it get a job offer he ended up teaching first at St. Joseph's down in Atchison. Kansas and then he called call back to his home where he got his degree St. Thomas where he's a. He's a much revered and very highly regarded. Teacher. Throughout all of Minnesota. And. He. A. Lead. So it's. You know he must be close to retirement as well of course I can't remember whether or you don't have to retire or any. And. So. It's been it's been a great. Experience I've. Had some. Marvelous opportunities work. 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