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Three two one J. Documenting the past. An introduction to oral history. Today is November 21st 2020 and I am interviewing Drek Spurlock Wilson online. V is Zoom. I'm interviewing Mr. Olson today for the Iowa State University archives because he is an important graduate of the university's history. Hello Mr. Wilson. How are you today. I'm doing fine. And how are you. I am wonderful. I think we'll get started just by talking a little bit about you. Just kind of starting from the basics. Where are you. Where are you from. Well I'm from Kansas City Missouri. And being from the Midwest that's probably what got me started to look at going to Iowa State University along with my high school counselor at Central High School in Kansas City. Was a Iowa State University graduate. And so she was also very supportive and enthusiastic about me enrolling at Iowa State. Awesome. So when you went to Iowa State you studied urban planning. What drew you to that. Well when I enrolled at Iowa State I actually enrolled and are in what I was going to pursue was going to be architectural engineering. But it turned out that with the demands on my time off with playing basketball for I assure you I didn't have basically enough classroom time to pursue architectural engineering and play ball. So I switched majors to urban planning. And when I entered in 1965 urban planning was in the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Agriculture also offered a degree or a bachelors degree in landscape architecture. So I majored in urban planning but I took enough credits to have a minor in landscape architecture. I see and now both of those are under the the College of Design. That's correct. You also studied at the University of Chicago. How do you how do you end up there. Well the. Fourth years senior year and I was state a degree requirement that we had to do an internship. And I was lucky enough to land a internship in Chicago with a small planning firm environmental planning and Research. It so happened that the president of the firm EPR a fellow by the name of Carl Landreneau he had close ties to the University of Chicago and at the time the University of Chicago was aggressively trying to recruit minority students. And so Carl asked me if I was interested in pursuing my master's degree at the University of Chicago and I jumped at the opportunity. So you said you initially you you were going into Iowa State you were planning on sending architectural engineering. Do you ever wish that you had been able to pursue that. No. Oh no I sure don't. One of the reasons is that of course the Iowa State being a technical university the architectural engineering degree program was real heavy on math and that was actually by weakest course. And so when I transferred into landscape into urban planning and then we're taking a lot of urban design courses and landscape architecture courses I really fell in love with that. And. And I have as a career have pursued that ever since I left college. That's fantastic. So you've been involved in many projects over the years then in landscape architecture and planning and such. Besides your books much we'll definitely talk about is there any projects that you feel particularly proud of or would like to share your thoughts on. Certainly. Well I say the most recent project that I'm very proud of is that I was the consultant landscape architect. And one of the authors of the environmental impact statement for the Smithsonian's National Museum of African-American History and Culture on the National Mall. The architecture is is great. If you've ever seen that building. But I was very excited about being able to provide landscape architecture services to to that building that project. Probably of ranking right up there with what I would consider my best projects is that I was the. Deputy commissioner for the Department of Housing and Community Development in Baltimore and Mayor Donald Schaefer recruited me from Chicago to come out and lead the development of Baltimore's Inner Harbor. And it turned out to be a great project. I think it might still be considered to be the top retail marketing seaport festival in the United States. I don't know if you've ever been to Baltimore to the Inner Harbor but if you ever get out that way. Check it out. Definitely will. So you're definitely still hard at work. Is there anything you're working on right now. Yes. And I'm in the process of riding a double biography on Iowa State University zone George Washington Carver and as looking at him not as a agriculturalist which is what he is certainly known for but all of the other natural sciences that he was involved with botany in horticulture and chemistry and potable portability which is a study of fruits. And the other half of that is with his best friend David Woolston who was a Cornell University graduate. But Williston was the first formally educated African-American landscape architect. And Williston and Carver both were on the faculty at Tuskegee. Now call Tuskegee University in Alabama. So writing a book is definitely not an easy process. What is your motivation to write this one in particular. Well. It was a double motivation. The first is that I have always been aware of Carver's career and I knew that there were much more interesting facets to his career than what he is commonly known for. And also there has never been although there have been a dozen biographies written about George Washington Carver none of them looked at him and his experience with the natural sciences. And then of course being a licensed African-American landscape architect. I have always been aware of Williston's career and I thought that since they were best friends and. The natural sciences are closely aligned with landscape architecture. As a matter of fact the title of the book is Closer than botanist to landscape architects George Washington Carver and David Augustus Wilston. Is there any research discoveries you've made while working on this book that were surprising or interesting you. Well there's been two. With George Washington Carver. Everything that I have read about him. And there are there are considerable amounts of documents that are his papers are at the Library of Congress. And of course Iowa State University archives has a lot of material that when things open up on campus I hope to come and be able to do research at the archives. Prior other biographers have stated that George Washington Carver during his graduate years in Ames had taught. And I always knew that that was false information for a couple of reasons. The primary reason being that Carver and his graduate years would have been in Ames in 18. Ninety four to eighteen ninety six. And although he certainly had to have had a Bachelor of science in agriculture from Iowa's day. But the university are her throughout the whole state of Iowa because of racism. There was not going to be any opportunity for a African-American to be teaching especially teaching at a college during that time period. Another interesting fact that that surfaced having to do with Carver is that during his graduate years Carver's mentor at Iowa State was Professor Lewis Powell who I don't know if it's still standing but there used to be a panel court where housing there on campus. But Professor Pamela was the chief botanist at the Iowa Agricultural Experiment Station which had its own building there on campus. He hired Carver as a assistant botanist. Now that's not so surprising that a professor would hire his student to help with experiments and and other kinds of agricultural pursuits. But what was significant is that the agricultural experiment station just like the college it was a college back then were funded by the state of Iowa. So when Carver was hired in 1895 he was put on the state of Iowa payroll. He made ah he earned six thousand dollars a year but it made Carver the first African-American state of Iowa employee. It's very interesting. When you're doing all of this research. Do you enjoy the process of writing the book or are you more driven by the information. Oh. Nine to 10. I enjoy the research. I know I'm I'm a really good researcher which is are skills that I think I learned from my first two books. But I enjoy the research tremendously more than I do. Right. I see. And you said that in the research that you were doing you discovered that there was some false statements about him of Carver having taught. Do you have any theories as to why these rumors came about or how they may have been created. Well I think that. One of the ways that these kinds of I'll call them antidotes get into the printed page is because the authors are the biographers. And in the overwhelming majority of the cases are flight and they are at least an. The environment of the 19th century. Are not as a tune to what may have been the obstacles that the race faced. And one of those obstacles obviously would have been not being hired as teachers unless they were teaching African-American students. There was no crossing the color line. The second explanation that I have is that. While Carver was the assistant botanist at the agricultural experiment station. He supervised all of the experiments that were being conducted by the faculty. And there were 12 professors at the station. And these professors were conducting experiments and publishing papers on all kinds of agricultural and natural science topics. And Carver was the one who supervised all of that. There were other US undergraduate students and graduate students that would have been involved in these experiments. And so there certainly would have been a teacher student environment that Carver was virtually leading which would make it easy to infer that he was teaching and he was teaching. But he did not have a contract from the university to be paid to do that. I see. It seems like in doing research it's difficult. There's lots of you know moments in research or documentation can conflict like you've like you've noted before. How do you go about sorting through these materials and finding out what is true and what isn't. Well you have to try to dig deep to get to the origin of the facts. If you are able to successfully do that then you can with some assurance declare that something is true or something is false. If you're a good researcher you're able to really dig deep. And one of the. Things that really helps me. And it really frames kind of how I pursue my research. I have a lot of experience in architectural history and that you would probably discern from my first two books. And one of the things when I'm starting to do my research is I start not with people but I start with buildings. And I look to see what's happening with those buildings. When were they built. Who built them. What were the spaces that they contained. And that puts me on a pretty good track to pursue the truth. And that's very helpful to give you an example of one. And I have not proved what is true and what is false but it certainly has opened up a some an avenue that is very interesting to me. The first early buildings and I would say there were I think there were seven of them and the first building and the largest and had the most activities. Then it was called Main Hall and it was built in 1888. There are national register building records from the Department of Interior a U.S. Department of Interior where they describe that whole building. And in the building the building was five stories tall. And on the fifth floor. And on the first floor of the building there were rooms that were called servants' rooms. Well that is very interesting because none of the histories I've ever read about Iowa State indicates that there were quote unquote servants. I'm. I'm very sure. That there were no. African-American servants. I don't think that we're going to African-American servants at the college. OK. I know that there weren't any in Ames or there weren't any in Story County. There certainly is a possibility. That some African-Americans could have traveled from Des Moines to Ames and worked as servants in the early 19th century. There were European servants. There were Irish and and even some of German servants. And they were in Iowa. They mostly in the big cities but they they were there. And so I'm going to continue to research to to try to find out. Who were these servants that those spaces were designed for. Do you have any plans to publish these findings. Oh yes. Yes I have a a contract with a publisher and I have about 14 more months before I have to submit the manuscript to my publisher. That's definitely a very unique very interesting way of researching through the to the buildings that I find that very interesting. So what is your primary way of obtaining this information. Mediums do use. Well the Internet is this is really great. And I almost wish that I had the Internet at least on my first book would have made it a lot easier. Almost all of the university's archives have much of their material is online. And so if they're fi are they at least have finding guides. And if if if they don't have it online where I can look at it directly. Which for example the Iowa State Parks Library Archives has a online collection of George Washington Carver. So I can look at that. But if there is material that is not online the librarians and archivists I have found to be tremendously helpful. If you point them in the right direction or give them some sort of citation or reference they're able to find it to copy it reproduce it. And nowadays in fact I just received a batch of material from Eastern Eastern Carolina University and the archives there found a tremendous amount of material. She scanned it and then put it in the cloud and then gave me the the you are l to go into the cloud and pull it down and look at it. Otherwise I would have basically had to go to their library and fill out a call slip to look at this stuff. But now it's just there in the cloud. It's incredible how far information technology has come. Oh it's tremendous. All right. Let's see. So is there any other things that you'd like to discuss about your book or any of your other books or your research. No. I think that I would like to mention that in the first book the. Biographical Dictionary of African-American Architects. It also includes African-American engineers. And one of the most renowned is a Iowan. His name is Archie Alexander. And he. He actually graduated from the University of Iowa. And he played football. There is one of the one of their first African-American football players. But he established a engineering civil engineering firm in the morning and that firm grew to undertake construction projects all across the United States. And Alexander became one of the race's best known and richest civil engineers. Mm hmm. Very cool. So being a student at Iowa State University myself I'm definitely interested to hear about your time at Iowa State and the impact that it had on your career. And then also you know how the world has changed since then and even just in the last year. And we've got we've got a little bit of time left to kind of talk about that. And we're not constrained by any means. You can you can definitely talk as much as you want. But some things that I was planning on asking you about. So when you were here you were one of the founding members of the black student organization. What was it like trying to trying to start that up. Well that was was real interesting. What I'd like to put it in the context of not so much that myself and others were were founders but we were more of the first organizers who organized and put together the black student organization the as we referred to it B.S. So it came about after the Reverend Martin Luther King Junior was assassinated. And we were we being there were about about 25 or 30 African-American athletes at Iowa State at that time. And we used to congregate in the student union where we've said it. We had a couple tables and and plenty WISC. And when we got the news about. Dr. King's assassination and we were all certainly feeling that we were really isolated. We were a long way from the urban centers where that were erupting in and riots and we just spontaneously started our own mini riot in the student union. Well it wasn't much to tear up and we weren't really interested that much in tearing it up but it was very disruptive. And I'm sure that was the first time that anything like that had ever happened that I would stay and. It turned out that after we broke glasses and threw trays and overturned some tables and chairs then we would like stormed out of the student union and basically went back to our dorms. But the administration is to. Call first the coaches because the coaches were the ones that were closest to us and say they were our coaches and they know us better than the administration did. But it ended up that. A handful of us about three or four. We're called in to a meeting with President Robert Parks and several of his administrators and they weren't angry and they weren't really punitive but they they ask you know wasn't there a better way to express what we were feeling and and what could the university help us with. And so out of that. And then. Maybe one or two more meetings. The administration offered. To fund a well they called it a stew. What is Asian. And then we used serve that into a black student organization. And the there was a a Episcopal church on Livingston Way and they had a college student. Ministry. And I and one or two of quote unquote the brothers attended that church and that ministry and the one of the associate pastors. Agreed to help us to form this organization because we didn't want the university. We just wanted their money. We didn't want them to really be involved. And and I can't remember the associate pastor's name is a white guy but he was very sharp and he helped us to form the organization. And I think that. There were maybe maybe tops 50 African-Americans on campus back then what I distinctly remember is that there were only two African-American females and one of the we call it of demands that we'd made of the university is that they needed to recruit more black females. And in Dr. Parks he said fine we'll do that. And one of the ways that and this was real all the administration BSOD did really they told us about it but we didn't really have anything to do with it. But I thought it was it was really ingenious. And it really kind of speaks to the the heart of of Dr. Parks who I I I have high regard for. He had his staff create a exchange program with Alabama A\u0026M University down. And I think did in Albany Alabama. And the exchange program was for Alabama. And now to send black females to Iowa State and Iowa State. Sint. Some of their. Veterinary medicine faculty. To Alabama Andeel who have just started a Vetinari program. And so both schools benefited. And in particular the black males benefited because we had this insurge of black females to come on campus. It's definitely a very interesting very important story part of a know it sounds like you're a part of a very important time in the in the university's history for sure. All right. Let's see. We're kind of reach in reaching the end here. Is there any other final thoughts that would you that you would like to add to be preserved. Well I have always been grateful to Iowa State for providing a excellent education that has a. It's me. Well for all these long decades I really had a great time playing basketball for our state. I played for three years and then had a injury and. For the last two years that I was out there on campus since I wasn't was not playing basketball I was the my command at the football games. The guy that is down where the pom pom girls are and the cheerleaders and leading the crowd. And I really enjoyed being the mike man. And I remember. When I first was offered the opportunity well we first wanted me to be the person inside of SCI. But back then Cy was a huge day and probably weigh how much I'd say 200 pounds. And I wasn't anxious to be in that suit. And so that's how I ended up being the mike man. But we caught the pep band would play the band would play at the. Football games. But back then they all just say they didn't have a whole lot of rhythm. And so one of the things that I'd like to take credit for is that I went down or went down to the. Black high school into more north high school and got their band leader who brought up. Is percussion section. You had about a 10 person percussion section that was all black. And so they they definitely had a lot of rhythm and they came up and had some sessions with the Iowa State band and their percussion section and they basically adopted all of their rhythms and stuff. And I was so proud to say that I thought of those years. Sixty five to about 70. We had the best percussion section in the Big Eight. That is super super super cool. Well thank you so much for for doing this. You've been a fantastic interviewee. Had a lot of fun. I think I think that's going to be about it. 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