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All of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1798.12,1800.97"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"these cases, these kinds of things have to be made","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1800.97,1804.54"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more open. So why not have open nominations? 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Party chair has to nominate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1820.8,1823.08"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If we get this or that, then all kinds of politics","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1823.08,1825.99"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gets into it. And recently, the university said a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1825.99,1829.14"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"new set up, a new level of professorship above","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1829.14,1831.94"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what Professor call distinguished university","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1831.96,1833.7"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"professor, of course, when they first name them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1833.7,1836.49"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About five years ago, they named 15 distinguished","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1836.82,1839.1"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"university professors. Every single one was male.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1839.1,1842.73"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a number of us, including me, threw a fit that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1843.27,1847.62"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they couldn't find a single woman on this campus","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1847.62,1849.78"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who could possibly qualify to be a student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961#t=1849.93,1852.09"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36755/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/036/755/original/AV205408_Sandra_Greer_A.vtt?1650911444","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/036/755/original/AV205408_Sandra_Greer_A.vtt?1650911444"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36756","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AV205408_Sandra_Greer_A.txt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158961/transcript/36756/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- But between this and this is my sweetie, I'm interviewing Dr. Sanders, March 21st, the house where you grew up and how your justice ministry develops, that kind of thing. Yes. Well, I grew up in Greenville, South Carolina. I was born in 1945 while my father was a World War Two and my father was a butcher. And my father mother was a seamstress. There was there were no academics in my family. And in fact, there was no one for my generation who had gone to college, even in my family. So my interest in science is sort of unexplainable. I mean, even when I was a little girl, I remember wanting to know what things were made of. And if you had something and you kept cutting it in half and cutting it in half and cutting it in half, what would you finally get to? So I was I was interested in these things literally from the time I was four or five years old. I remember thinking about these things and and and then wanting as soon as I found out about it, wanting chemistry sets and microscopes and things like that, which which in which parents at that time got spontaneously for little boys, but not necessarily for little girls. And so I had to beg and plead and save my allowance and babysitting money to buy myself these things, although my mother tried to be supportive as she could. That certainly was seen as a very strange little girl who wanted all these kinds of things. And your father? Oh, my father was was a distant parent and at least emotionally distant and not very engaged in all this. And so he really wasn't as important a figure as my mother. My mother didn't understand anything about what I was doing, but she tried to be as supportive as possible. And she would I would set up experiments in the kitchen and she would stand and hold pieces for me while my experiment ran over, even though she didn't know what it was I was doing. But she was always very supportive and tried to when she could see that that I needed to do something, for example, and thought about this in years, I was doing an experiment where I needed ethanol, but the only way to buy ethanol was to go to a liquor store. And my parents were staunch Baptists and did not drink. But she took me to the liquor store and we bought her. So she did. And she was, you know, tried to help me do things as I went along. I was very involved in science fairs when I was growing up, and that was about the only way a kid with this kind of interest could get any reinforcement and reinforcement if you were a good athlete or other things. They were reinforcements for being a good student, which I was. But if you were interested in science, the only way you ever met any other kids who were interested in it or got any kind of special reinforcement about it was through the science fairs, although it was the Sputnik era. So there was a lot of push for science at that time. I went in and well, just yes and no. I mean, for women, it's there were people who helped me. We lived in our town. Furman University was nearby. And a couple of there was a professor there in particular who had been a science fair judge and took an interest in my future and would let me come out there and work in his lab or let me borrow equipment and eventually persuaded me to leave high school a year early and go to Furman, which I did. And I do not have a high school diploma. I never finished high school. My teachers felt this terrible thing I'd live to regret. But, you know, it's never bothered me. So I left high school after 11th grade and went to the university, which was in our town because they had offered me full paid everything if I would go there. So I did. And Furman has a very good chemistry department and is still a chemistry department. And they didn't have much. The physics department wasn't is weak and they didn't have engineering at that time. So I did chemistry at Furman and went on from there to the University of Chicago and did chemistry there as well. I'll just add that I now have a joint appointment in chemistry and chemical engineering, but I didn't have an undergraduate background in chemical engineering that sort of has evolved over time because my research interests are close to the kinds of things that chemical engineers do. And so I have my my that piece of me has developed over time and I have deliberately taught in a chemical engineering curriculum so that I'm not a full fledged chemical engineer. At least for about seven years I've been teaching in chemical engineering. So I do something I want to return to. But I want to ask you. Herman, did you have women none. I wanted to come back to that. There were no female professors at Furman and even the professor who was trying to be supportive to me. And he was an enormous influence on my life at that time. He he he he even he said things I clearly remember saying one time, no one wants a woman on their research group. They'll just get pregnant and then that'll be the end of it. And so while they they they appreciated my interest in telling them, they still saw limits to my possibilities for me. And, you know, and I had no idea what was going to happen with the rest of my life either. At that point, I knew I would. I was so I was interested in what I was doing and motivated by what I was doing. And I just kept going. And the obvious path, I went from there to graduate school and went to grad school at the University of Chicago in chemistry again and there again, there were no women. I never saw a woman as a chemist or a physicist. The entire time I was in faculty as well as faculty, there were a few students. There were a few at Furman. I was the only woman who went on in chemistry. The others went into medicine or something else. And at the University of Chicago, there were several women in my class that year. Most realize that I'm the only one of them. With that group, with an academic appointment, all the risks went into government or industry of one kind or another. I do think that. I don't know. I have no idea. I think well, it was it was very hard. When we were getting out of graduate school, this was in right around sixty nine, 70 and we were getting out of graduate school. No science and engineering departments in this country hired women. It just wasn't done. And I also when I left graduate school, I then went to two. I got married when I was in graduate school and my husband had a position at MIT, which now the National Institute for Standards and Technology is a postdoc. We both applied for postdocs. He got the postdoc. I did not. And I went to trail along after him and got a temporary appointment there working with a woman. This was the first time I had ever had an interaction with a woman who was a physicist there, and I that my temporary appointment was eventually evolved into nine years there. So I was an employee at this for nine years, as an aside, when I then reapplied for this postdoctoral job because it wasn't sure where and after I'd been there for a while because it wasn't clear whether they were going to be able to find the money to keep me. And I was told not to bother to fill out the application that they would never give to in the same family and that they'd given one to my husband and that I could be just doing science for this psychic reward, that that his salary ought to be enough to support both of us and that I didn't need a job. There was another point after I'd been there several years that they ran short of money and the guy who was in charge of our division decided that his way to save money was going to be to put all the women scientists. Well, there were only three or four of us at that point in the whole division of maybe one hundred. And he decided to put the women scientists on leave without pay, not the other women, the support staff, because they needed the money. But he said that women scientists didn't really need the money and that he was going to just essentially garnishee our salaries in order to make up the difference. Well, that mine the woman I was working with there, and I then went to him and persuaded him that this was not acceptable and the grounds were used to persuade him I would never use again. We simply argued that we didn't need the money, that we all had child care arrangements by then. I had twins and my colleague had four children and we all made arrangements and so on. So our argument was that we did need the money. Of course, it didn't even occur to us to argue that this was inequitable and it was pre sex discrimination. Nobody thought in those terms in those years. There were other times there. I mean, I got things done there. And they were they were a common it was a good place for me, for my career at that time. If you read Margaret Roster's books on the history of women in science in this country, she makes the point as well that the government was a refuge for women in science for many years, at least as far as her books have gone so far. I think she's worked herself up to about nineteen seventy now when my career started. So we'll see what she said after that. Well, somewhat after that latter part of the seventies, the academic jobs began to open a little bit and I'll come to that in a minute. I lost my train of thought and your restriction. Yes, my research in the interest I had started out in graduate school in a very different area than I'm anywhere now. They all started out in graduate school looking at crystallography and solidified gaseous mixtures of things like methane in Oregon and how you mix these things, you get very complicated base diagrams, like they're as complicated as metallurgical space diagrams. And we did these by low temperature X-ray crystallography, temperatures of helium and liquid helium and hydrogen. When I went to Nyst, it was I got I had been there for got an interesting phase transitions, which has been the theme of my career space transitions. So we went to I went to miss to work on phase transitions with people there who were very involved in that. And this was a great good fortune because it was a time right then when there was there was a lot of activity and understanding what's called critical phenomena. And we worked there on various aspects of this. I do experiments, not theories and theories that were coming out predicting various things. And there were about four or five of us there who were were measuring things to test those predictions. Well, so the theory turned out to be correct. And in fact, a guy named Wilson got the Nobel Prize for those theories in nineteen eighty two, I think it was. And we were involved there in the experimental verification of that. So during that time, I was able to do some really important work, as important as anything I've ever done was done before. I was 30 and I was still at NASA. I finished grad school when I was twenty four and and was then went straight to master, was there nine years and I did some really important work of which I'm very proud. And that work then enabled me to be in a good position to move to the university. And let me just add that another thing that was the issues of child care always come up in careers. When you look at careers, it's the number one issue that ever comes up is how do you manage all this? And for me, at that time, first of all, I had role models of two or three other women around me, which I had never and never had before. And these other women were their solution to the problem had been to take a part time to cut back to part time fitness. They both worked or two of them. They both worked six hours a day and and had children. And so I took that as a role model and I did the same thing. So when I had twins in 1970, I went to six hours a day and I work six hours a day until they were eight years old when I left on this. And I got a lot of good work done there. As I was saying, I think I was greatly underappreciated and I think I was doing really good work. And and men who had come to the to the then called Bureau of Standards to come to the bureau at the same time I did getting promotions that I was not getting and money I was not getting. And it was actually the time at that time they were still such an award. They gave out to the outstanding young men at Nyst for which women were not even eligible. So they had a special award for an outstanding young being scientist every year at MTT. But at any rate, at one point I was so upset by my the lack of reward that I went to the equal the equal employment opportunity officer who just happened to be another a woman and a graduate of Furman who happened to be at risk. And she we put together some data showing when I had come and what I'd done and that my papers and my papers and the kinds of citations my papers were getting compared to all the men and the the numbers were so persuasive that immediately got it right. But I had to battle. It didn't just happen. And I think that's been certainly a theme in my career. And I think it's a theme for most women that you have to fight for everything that you get, that you do. The things just don't come very easily. And I know that's true for some men as well, that men, many men don't get what they deserve. But I think for women, it's the rule rather than the exception that women just don't get the kind of rewards they deserve. We can come back to that issue anyway. Around nineteen seventy eight, I was feeling I was chafing a bit at the bureaucracy at the finest in particular. I think the lack of autonomy for scientists working there. It was moving more and more towards mission oriented work where you have the same measuring properties of refrigerants that were needed for industry with no or little or no scientific content. I mean, you can always find some conservative and content and work like that. But I really wanted to be where I could. Do work under that was I have more autonomy in my choice of research avenues, and so in 1978 I applied for a job here, they had a search underway for a physical chemist and they knew who they were to hire. There was a guy they knew they wanted. And so then they got my application and they this was like this was 1978. The university was beginning to want to have some women on the faculty. They were able to go to the provost and get the money to hire me as well. So it was certainly an affirmative action hire. When I came here in 1978, I was in this department, the first woman hired as a research level tenure track professor. There was an older woman in the department who had a joint appointment with the college education. So her interests were and, you know, issues related to freshman chemistry in that and that sort of thing. She was not a basic research scientist. And over the next two or three years in the chemistry department here, they hired several more women and it must have been about 40 people in the department. There have been five women in this department since about, I would say, 80 to about 20 years. It's never gotten more than that. It's not the same women. They've come and gone, but it's never been more than five in this department. And I would say so my research then when I came here, I continued in somewhat the same direction. I was still looking at phase transitions. I learned how to get support from the National Science Foundation other places after I got here. And I've been able to do that over the years. I've never been without funding. I, I worked I worked on phase transitions. And since I was now in the chemistry department, I was I got interested in how those connect chemical reactions and how one affects the other. And ultimately this led me into polymerization and I into polymer science. And that's why because I got more and more interested in polymer science. That's why I became more and more sort of connected to chemical engineering, because that's much more done in chemical engineering departments and students are more interested in it. The appreciation is higher for polymer science and chemistry, especially ten years ago. Funny thing now is in in chemistry, people are starting to take more interest in polymers again because it has to do with nanoscience and things like that. So all of a sudden polymers are becoming more acceptable. But there was a there was a period there when polymer science was not chemistry. And it's not very interesting chemistry. You know, it's just same old reaction over and over. Who cares? But now there's a lot more interest in that. So but Kosma partly because of my interest, we're moving in that direction. I associated myself with the chemical engineering starting in nineteen ninety five. I had a formal appointment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's seven years ago. I also served in this department as a department chair between 1990 and nineteen ninety three. It was one of the most difficult periods of my life professionally. Yeah, I had a lot of support from faculty members when I became chair, but then we started going through some very, very difficult times. I had a dean who was not supportive and he didn't really want me to have the job and he continually undermined my efforts, cut me out of the loop, faculty members go around to me, etc. I finally reached the end of my rope and just resigned. Oh, I should add, on top of all of that, this was early 90s. There was a recession. The financial situation in the university was horrible. We had lost we lost over those few years about twenty percent of our funding. We had layoffs. I was ordered to fire our staff members who then proceed to sue me. For years, we had furloughs in which faculty members were not paid for several days. You expected to do work. We just didn't get paid for several days that the circumstances were terrible for her being a department chair and trying to hold things together. I felt I did a good job as department chair. Out of the forty people who were here, only one left and went to industry. During that time we did some hiring during that time, in the years that followed my term. Twelve people left after that. A lot of senior people, just because of the financial problems and one thing else and lack of progress in the department, they just left. And I think the department had a hard time recovering from some of that since they're coming. That chemical engineering, when I went over there, they had a progressive chair who was a friend of mine because he was the husband of the woman I worked with when I was at Nyst, and he was intent on diversifying that department that had at that time. The numbers are roughly 40 men in the department. And he then was able to over his term of office to I was the first woman they had hired and a permanent position now have had a woman who left without getting tenure some years before. She's now a senior government official in chemical engineering and has told me what a horrible time she had when she was in that department as a young woman, that she was very badly treated. And that was why she left and never got tenure. But however, by 1995, the world had changed a bit. And over the next few years, chemical engineering came to have three women, one of whom is African-American. She is one of only five African-American chemical engineers in academia in this country right now, active African-American women and also one African-American man who just lost to produce. And that's sad, but they bought him away from us. At any rate, the department made an enormous effort to conscious effort to diversify. And in fact, I've always felt sort of much better appreciated amongst the chemical engineers than amongst the chemist. Some of it may be because of the kind of work I do that they understand what I'm doing better than the chemist do just because we wanted this product to be both chemical engineering and we have not been able to find metal in this particular instance in this age group. And it can be as well. I can. We can after we finish, I can try to list a couple of people for you, if you like. There are several you would I would recommend that you talk to them. So sometimes the women in chemical engineering came from someplace else, as I did from physics and chemistry, and then ended up in chemical engineering. But my my sense has been that the College of Engineering, the numbers for women are very much lower here than the college. The chemistry is and which is kind of life sciences that the engineers are at least personally much more supportive and receptive. The dean is has been appreciative. And I think some of it is because the engineers are much closer to industry and industry has gotten it about the importance of diversification of the workforce. And whereas the chemist chemists are very conservative crowd. So where have you gotten to the point I'm at the university level and different organizations you belong to? I mean, personal, sort of emotional and psychological support. You affiliated with the organization coach? Yes. And you know, where I got gotten support, actually, the support has been hard to find there. And you think you can get some for men. But early in my career, I didn't even collaborate with men because it was too dangerous. If I did any work with the man, he would get all the credit and I would I would lose everything. I would just be considered an assistant to whoever it was. So I didn't I didn't sense it since I didn't play with me and there was no way to collaborate with there were no other women around. Over the years, there have been many women, I would say between 78 and 88, that 10 years there was almost nobody. And I was trying I had a husband at the time. I have since divorced, but I had a husband in time who was also a chemist and very supportive. I mean, he always really cared about my career and helped with the kids and think he what he did, his held up position and stick on that. And that was a support. And I could talk to him about some of these things. Other women around here, there were very few. Ultimately, I had one friend in the physics department but and a friend who was an economist here. But those those sort of, you know, people we didn't those friendships did not were not sustained. I then met a number of people when I got involved in a campus wide project on the situation for undergraduate women on the campus, education of individual women. And I did a major report, chaired a major committee that is commonly known as the Career Committee on the Campus, still on the website, still talked about 10 years ago now or more than me. And I met a lot of women at that time on campus, one place or another. And that for a while there, there was a group of women who are one of the women in her administration convened a group of women just who had I was I was associate chair of the department, chair of the department. And she convened women who had administrative jobs just to have lunch. Now, me and that was a really a great crowd. We had a lot of fun. And we would just sit around and compare notes and talk about things that came to be known as the Mafia and that I think some of the men who were actually intimidated by this group of women get together and go out for lunch and hang out and drink for two hours. So that was a lot of fun. And I've since made some friends here. I have my very best friend in the biology department and I don't know what I'd do without that friendship and national level. National level, not really. Until Coach came along. And it's been about three or four years ago when Jerry Richmond organized Coach and and I met her. That is that also has been since then really important to me. Coach was organized and focused to to focus on winning in the latter part of their careers and what's going on there. This people had been focusing on what's going on early in careers. But there, as you began to see from these reports out of M.I.T. lately, I wonder if you follow the thing that came out just last week, a new report from M.I.T. on the situation for women faculty members there as well. The longer you're there, the worse the problems get. And you can begin to think about it in the following way that it's like compound interest. Let's say if you're an assistant professor there, any of the equality between men and women is very small. Let's say the men have a one percent advantage for one reason or another, and there are reasons to document. It's probably worse than that if you look at it one percent advantage because the men get recommended for this or recommended to them. Their names come to mind when there's an opportunity or a prize to be nominated for women just to take a one percent disadvantage. You compound that over thirty or forty years. The time you get to my age, the disadvantage is 40 or 50 percent. And you actually want to make a chart of this to show people just show, you know, how this compounds over time. But that means that by the time women are my age, the level of disappointment and frustration is pretty high. Even though you've been successful to all appearances, you're successful. You know, I'm a tenured professor. I make a fair amount of money. I have, you know, grants, et cetera. But there are a whole lot of things that matter that are happening to the men at this point that aren't happening to the women. I'm one of them. For, for example, is an. National Academy of Sciences, there are 200 people in the National Academy of Sciences and chemistry for women or women, just just a few weeks ago, the new list for the National Academy of Engineering came out. Seventy four people were added, four were women, and only one of those was an academic woman. So when it comes time to make these things happen for people and to to let women in on these sort of power structures, that doesn't happen. Nobody does it. It just doesn't happen. That those in progress and actually the positions kind of a product and the progress that we've made. Oh, absolutely. I, I absolutely I mean, there absolutely has been progress. I don't deny it. I would have I would have said to you that I would never have an academic career when I started out. It was not a possibility. I never dreamed that it was a possibility. And I guess to some extent I should be grateful for having had the career I have had. On the other hand, it is all sorted out, not by any means, not by any means. And what do you think are indicators of what needs to be done in terms of moving forward and what indicators of that kind of progress? Well, I just gave you a couple of them, right? Membership in the National Academy of Science and can be engineering in these kinds of things, the processes and the way in which by which a lot of these things that awards say from the national arts, from the American Chemical Society, are shrouded in secrecy. They're done by secret committees, secret procedures, where only the people who are already in can nominate anybody or say for the National Academy, you can't they're not open nominations. Only people who are already members can be nominated. So I'm really going to nominate people that look just like them. All of these cases, these kinds of things have to be made more open. So why not have open nominations? We still can have you can still review quality of science, but you don't even get nominated. That's true. Even on the campus here, there where there are nominations have to go through a department or something before then. Party chair has to nominate. If we get this or that, then all kinds of politics gets into it. And recently, the university said a new set up, a new level of professorship above what Professor call distinguished university professor, of course, when they first name them. About five years ago, they named 15 distinguished university professors. Every single one was male. 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I mean, how could they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=12.95,15.74"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not notice? They put the pictures in the campus","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=15.74,19.34"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"newspaper into a distinguished university","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=19.34,21.53"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"professors and the president, the provost didn't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=21.53,24.56"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"notice that they had picked this thing, Leon. So I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=24.56,29.56"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would I was not immediately put on the selection","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=30.11,32.48"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"committee for the distinguished university","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=32.48,34.04"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"professors. And over the next few years, a number","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=34.04,38.18"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of women were added to the list of distinguished","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=38.18,40.49"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"university professors. Now, maybe these things","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=40.49,43.31"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seemed like trivial accolades, but there's money","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=43.31,47.39"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"involved. You get an extra five thousand dollars a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=47.39,51.02"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"year. If you get this, there's there's there's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=51.02,54.44"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there's power even involved because of a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=56.45,58.57"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"distinguished university professors get involved","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=58.57,60.53"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in this industry that helped make this decision.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=60.53,64.16"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's the truth. The National Academies of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=64.34,66.47"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Science and Engineering as well. I mean, there's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=66.5,68.3"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"enormous power in having those positions. Anybody","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=68.3,71.93"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who gets to be a member of those has an open","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=71.93,74.78"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ticket to change jobs, to do, to be to have a lot","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=74.78,79.78"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of influence in the community. It's enormously","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=80.03,83.81"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"important and it's reserved for the men. Have you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=83.81,86.66"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"received any recognition and accolades? 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You have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=901.22,903.44"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"laboratories full of equipment and materials and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=903.68,906.53"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you can't do it. There's nothing you can do. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=906.53,908.68"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mean, in some areas, if you're in English","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=908.69,911.33"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"literature or even in psychology, you can't do it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=911.33,914.54"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"without money. You can't do this without money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=914.54,916.73"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they don't give you the university gives you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=916.73,918.86"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nothing. So you're absolutely an entrepreneur. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=918.86,922.88"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"after a while, it's it's really wearing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=922.88,926.16"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that's about all the questions I have. Is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=928.86,931.71"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there anything that you want to add maybe that I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=931.71,933.51"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"didn't touch on? She left and went to University","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=933.51,938.51"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of Maryland. Thank you. You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=939.63,941.76"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36757/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/036/757/original/AV205408_Sandra_Greer_B.vtt?1650911450","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/036/757/original/AV205408_Sandra_Greer_B.vtt?1650911450"}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36758","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AV205408_Sandra_Greer_B.txt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962/transcript/36758/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- So what happened at that point was that the campus was enormously embarrassed. I mean, how could they not notice? They put the pictures in the campus newspaper into a distinguished university professors and the president, the provost didn't notice that they had picked this thing, Leon. So I would I was not immediately put on the selection committee for the distinguished university professors. And over the next few years, a number of women were added to the list of distinguished university professors. Now, maybe these things seemed like trivial accolades, but there's money involved. You get an extra five thousand dollars a year. If you get this, there's there's there's there's power even involved because of a distinguished university professors get involved in this industry that helped make this decision. And that's the truth. The National Academies of Science and Engineering as well. I mean, there's enormous power in having those positions. Anybody who gets to be a member of those has an open ticket to change jobs, to do, to be to have a lot of influence in the community. It's enormously important and it's reserved for the men. Have you received any recognition and accolades? None nationally. Locally. I am there to sort of high level professorships here. One is a distinguished university professor. I am not one and the other is a distinguished scholar teacher where the emphasis is on being not the university professor, the emphasis on research scholar, teacher, the emphasis is on both teaching and research. I was awarded distinguished scholar teacher several years ago. So have that and I can give you the if you like that for you. I don't think I represent. Did I know what you want before you leave? But I have some local things. But sometimes even that point I give you an example. Well, first I first of all, in the chemistry department, here are no one ever nominated to me for any national awards ever, ever. They just add my name just never came to their minds. When I went to chemical engineering chair there, I actually started trying to nominate me to things. Even with the university nomination for words was coming up. He came to me and said he wanted to nominate me to be an outstanding woman on campus. And I said to him, you know, that's very nice, but I'd rather be nominated for distinguished scholar teacher, which he did. It never occurred to him. I said, I think I could get that so-and-so got it last year. I think I could get this. She says, Oh, OK. So he did it and I got it. But his first thought was to nominate me for distinguished scholar teacher. There's a prize that the American Cancer Society gives for women chemist, which I've never gotten. No one in the chemistry department here in all my twenty four years here ever nominated me for that prize. Yes. The know, when I went to chemical engineering, he immediately started nominating. The government has not gotten it, but at least he made a nomination. It's actually very competitive. It's the most competitive award in the American Chemical Society. Nobody knows this gets one hundred nominations, are you sure? But chemistry department here never nominated me for that. So some of it is. Well, I started to say some of this is peculiar to this department and I see the same thing when I talk to women in other departments in other places. It'll turn up in your shirt, which we're just not in their mental landscape. When somebody thinks they think of their bodies, not one of us. We're just they just and it's also documented. There's a I don't know if you know, this wonderful book by Vivien DeLeon called Why So Slow? And she is it's it's not her original research, but there's research documented that we can take to see these absolutely identical. See these. Right. John Smith on one, Jane Smith, on the other hand, you get totally different evaluations of those things. And women see they will always be ranked lower than man's no matter what. And so we still have this battle as women that we have to do twice as much to get the same recognition. And by God, we've been doing exactly that. We've been going around doing twice as much in order to get what we've gotten in order to get as far as we've gotten. What about your daughters? I have to ask them. And they weigh their application novelists. And do you have students? Yes. How do you like them to you? It's hard. And I think also if you on the female faculty members, I, I worry about it and I try to spend time with them having lunch with a couple over spring break next week because the only time we can find. How do I advise them? I find it really hard. And I think that the work we're doing in coach for senior women is really about those younger women because, you know, we probably won't live to see the improvement or very little of it. It takes a long time to see these things change. And so things that which sounds like sort of selfish for us to be working on issues of saving women, it's not really at all. It's really going preparing the way for those younger women. So they'll have an easier time. But what I try to do, say, with the younger female faculty members, is make sure they understand what the rules are, that they get it, that the way they're going to get tenure here is why I say there are three important things refereed papers, refereed papers and refereed papers. I just went through a sad case. I managed to get myself. And that's another story on the promotion committee for the College of Engineering is the only woman sitting on the committee. Two women came up for promotion for tenure. Both of them have higher service and teaching records than any of the men, which means their department chairs had been saddling them with extra service and teaching. And so part of what I say to the young women is, don't do this stuff. I don't tell anybody, ask you to do this committee inquiry. You call me and I'll tell you what I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you don't do it. Because in the end, when it comes to tenure time and promotion time and space time, there's absolutely no reward for doing more than I mean, you want to do a decent job, especially the teaching. Certainly doing committee work as an assistant professor is stupid. It's self-defeating. Nobody it won't get you anywhere. And then those two women who came up, one of them had managed to do all that extra teaching and service and also to her refereed papers, the other instruments that she will not get tenure. And she was done in by a department chair who used her. And I've been throwing fits about it. I'm actually trying to get him fired because of what he did to her. I mean, the dean of engineering has been asking me to help him diversify the faculty and find people to nominate women and minorities. And I said to him, you know, how can we nominate people and then have this kind of thing happen? Have somebody kill them off after we found somebody? Yeah, students. My women students have not gone into academia. They've gone into government and industry. The problem nowadays with academia for men and women is that it's awfully hard job and they see how hard you work. It's much harder than working, especially in the early years. It's much harder. And working in government or industry, government and industry, by and large, nine to five jobs in academia. It's never a nine to five job. It's the hours of very long. You're preparing classes in the evening, you're taking classes on the weekends. You're expected to raise at least cryptologist time in anywhere from three hundred to half a million dollars a year in grant money. You have to keep coming, keep it coming in to support your students so you get it. You're on a treadmill. You got money to get people to do the work. And once the people are here, you have to keep the money coming in in order to maintain everything. So it's it's it's a high stress job. People people saying that, you know, university professors leave this ivory tower laid back job is not laid back at all. It's a very high stress job. And there's a lot of travel which can be exhausting and difficult to. You have a family. So, you know, for the men and the women, I think many of them are actually one of my male students right now who is being strongly recruited for an academic job. He's out his post on post at the gun industry and he's extremely reluctant, even though they're appealing parts about it, the autonomy and the intellectual environment. But he knows what our job is. Currently involved in research projects are in science research projects, as I said, had moved mostly into polymer science. And right now my work in polymer science is in two areas. One is a more traditional sort of polymer science where we're looking at phase transitions and equilibria and polymer solutions of various kinds which are of industrial importance. But we have a whole program of thermodynamics and transport and structural properties of polymer solutions. That work is funded by the National Science Foundation. On the other side, I got since I was interested in polymers, I got interested in biological polymers. So biological molecules that form polymers. So I also have a whole half of my research program now that's devoted to polymerization, thermodynamics, phase transitions, etc. in biological polymers and particularly a protein called act. And also we'll move on to other molecules. And this part of my work is funded by the National Institutes of Health. Women's issues are nationally on the cut to coach. I do a lot of work with coach and locally I do. I am on the College of Engineering on Diversity and Faculty Recruiting Committee, which is which is actually fairly frustrating. The committee trying to find people and persuade the departments to take seriously. It's it's complicated. They they have new ideas about the area in which they're recruiting. And if you can't find a woman or a minority in exactly those areas. And so there's I don't know, that's been somewhat frustrating, even though the dean has has been trying hard and I give him credit. Last year, he hired her, hired five women in the College of Engineering. This is incredible because there were only ten before that. We used to every woman in college engineering can sit down at the same time for lunch. And there are, I think, a 200 faculty members in College of Engineering. So he's he's he's he's really making a strong effort on that of it is not so strong in college and life sciences. Dean is a woman biology, terrorism in this. So there is a portion of women in this college. It's more like 20 percent, although chemistry is not very high, it's on order of 10 percent. So and it doesn't look like it will change this year. So I at the moment, I'm not that heavily involved in other than those two kinds of things. I've sort of burned down on some of it. You know, I can't do everything people ask me. I was just asked to be an outside reviewer for Women in Science program at another university, and I just declined. I said, you can't take on all these things and do everything else the same time. To use your ability to continue following that incident. Well, I think partly because I do love the intellectual work, I get enormous satisfaction out of the work that we did. It is just a. I quote sometimes a kid, I was a kid, a friend told me that he was he was judging science fair as a little boy with a rock collection, and he has done all these things with these rocks, about eight years old and asking why? Why do you do this? What made you get into all this? And a little boy said, because it makes me feel good in my mind. And I thought about that for three years because it makes me feel good in my mind. And I think that's the main motivation. I mean, there are other supports around me, the friends that I talked about before and my spouse, I remember well. And that's another interesting story. Yes. No, I'm in a lesbian relationship. I, I was married for twenty three years and then about actually it was the same time I was department chair, which complicated these issues. I divorced and a year after that came to be with the woman with whom I've been for nearly 12 years. And she's a.. She's a professor of psychology. And of course that provides another support because while she doesn't entirely and she actually is a psychologist who works on issues of women in non-traditional fields and she goes around and interviews people like you do like this. She and her students do very similar studies. Um, she understands a lot of what my issues are. But as a woman in psychology, she doesn't live with it. You know, she's not she doesn't spend her days an entirely male environment, and nor does she up until recently have the kind of grant pressures that we have in science. And if I said the thing that will run me out of science and forced me into retirement, it's the grant thing, I think. And that's not particularly peculiar to women. I mean, the men I know to the thing that wears us down finally is having to hustle for grant money and hustle for grant money all the time. I mean, it is true if you're tenured full professor, you're not going to get fired if you don't get grant money. But it means you can't keep doing research because you can't do this for nothing yet. You have laboratories full of equipment and materials and you can't do it. There's nothing you can do. I mean, in some areas, if you're in English literature or even in psychology, you can't do it without money. You can't do this without money. And they don't give you the university gives you nothing. So you're absolutely an entrepreneur. And after a while, it's it's really wearing. I think that's about all the questions I have. Is there anything that you want to add maybe that I didn't touch on? She left and went to University of Maryland. Thank you. You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1945/collection_resources/73115/file/158962#t=0.0,961.1792"}]}]}]}