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Professor of history at the university of California, Los Angeles. Specializing in movements in Iran and other Muslim countries. Dr. Keddie is past president of the Middle East Studies Association of Northern America. Dr. Keddie has written nine books including, \"Roots of Revolution\" and \"Interpretive History of Modern Iran.\"\r\n\r\n- Iran\r\n\r\n- Iran. I'm sorry. Tonight, Dr. Keddie will address mass movements in the Muslim world. Please join me in welcoming Dr. Nikki Keddie.\r\n\r\n- Thank you. I'm very pleased to be here and be part of this exciting looking program that has been sent to me. I admire all your fortitude for showing up at so many events. Although I know different people show up at different ones. From looking at your student newspaper and hearing oral reports, I see that I'm expected somehow to speak either about the Islamic revival in one case or the Iranian Revolution in another. I guess when people read mass movements or see my name, those are the two things they think of. However, I try to be very virtuous and actually do something on the very broad topic that was wanted which is mass movements in the Muslim world. So that these two topics I just mentioned will come in only partially into what I have to say. I have been off trying to learn something about other parts of the Muslim world that I know much less about. It's always good to start off with a question which I won't to answer right away in relation to what I just said. Which four countries in the world, have the largest Muslim populations? I always pull this on my classes and sometimes on my colleagues and they all do very badly. And I'll tell you at the end if we haven't come to it already in the course of the lecture. Somebody thinks he knows more? It's not really a trick question. That is, there's a great difference in population between number four and number five but still, what happens is that most people think of middle Eastern countries. And there are reasons for this historical precedence of this Islam in middle Eastern countries before it went elsewhere. But in fact, none of the four's in middle Eastern country that's probably, I already told you enough so that you won't go too far afield. Everybody always guesses, Egypt, Turkey and places like that. And I bring that up because I want to be clear that tonight when I'm talking about the Muslim world, I'm not just going to talk about the middle East which is, of course there's crucial strategic importance. And we hear about it a lot and it happens to be in my field of study but it shouldn't be all that we concentrate on to talk about the Muslim world. Now, the first thing I wanted to say is that, the mass movements of the type that are talked on under that head in Latin America, which tend to be left-ish mass movements of one sort or another and especially in recent years with perhaps some alliance with Catholic and secular forces will on the whole not being found in the Muslim world. I don't know all the reasons for this. I think in part, it's simply that Latin America got its freedom from colonialism so much earlier that in a sense it's gone through more stages and has at least large numbers of people who are more secularist in their orientation than is true in the Muslim world. And so we find that mass movements, that is movements that really involve masses of the population in the Muslim world, have tended to one degree or another to be Islamic in content or at least to have large elements that are Islamic in content. This even before the Islamic revival of the last two decades and certainly more true now. Another reason for this difference with an area like Latin America, I think is the nature of the Islamic religion itself which I don't reify into a single entity because it's extremely variable to over time and place but still does nearly always have a political as well as what we would call the religious element and many people who follow it, follow Islam think of it as a total way of life rather than as a part of a way of life. And therefore, tend to interpret even what we would regard as radical political ideas in Islamic terms, in reinterpreted Islamic terms, rather than in purely secular terms. This doesn't mean they're not secularists and they're no secular movements. But somewhat ironically, for those who like to structure things in terms of class analysis and I've partially do it so, as you move towards the working class and peasants, you get more away in many cases, from those who take purely secular views and more toward those who take more Islamic views of the world. And one of the reasons for the so-called Islamic Revival of recent years, is precisely the entrance of the masses into politics in much greater numbers than before. And the masses of people, partly the petty bourgeoisie but heavily peasants who've migrated to cities and become workers or what we call sub-proletariat sort of casual workers, are very likely to go into Islamic movements of a radical type, as are students and young intellectuals. And so it's true that there has been, especially in recent decades, a kind of Islamic coloring to such mass movements as have existed which is not quite parallel to Latin America. And I say this realizing that in Latin America there has been an entry of Catholic sending Catholic priests and nuns into liberation movements and there has been a liberation theology and a number of people have tried to equate almost the liberation theology of the Catholics in Latin America with radical Islam. And although certain comparisons can be made, I don't think the comparison is entirely justified because first of all, it is not primarily the clerics in Islam who have led this if you want to call it a liberation theology in the Muslim world. Here Iran is a bit of an exception and I'll go into that later. But elsewhere in the Muslim world it is precisely people who tend to be anti-clerical and to revolt against the interpretation of Islam given by the clerics and not to belong to the clergy who have entered into these movements. They are laid people who give a new interpretation of the religion. And secondly and perhaps equally as important, in Latin America on the whole, in so far as I understand these movements guerrilla movements and others, the secularists including communist Marxists and sort of democratic liberal types, have kept in most cases a kind of leadership in the movement which is not paralleled in the Muslim world. In the Muslim world on the whole, when the secularists have entered into such movements that heavily involve people with an Islamic identity, it is the secularist who've had to adapt to Islam and somehow call themselves Muslims or say, \"well our idea and Marx is compatible with Islam\" but give the leadership role ideologically as well as politically in most cases to the Muslim element. So I think the situations thus far at least, are not really parallel. Now, when we talk of mass movements through most of them are in Muslim world and look for them because they don't exist everywhere unfortunately, perhaps for our study, what I think we find or what I found in trying to put together this lecture, was that most of the mass movements involving the largest number of people in the muslim world, had been what I would call nationalist movements rather than either leftist movements on the one hand which have been quite few true leftist movements or the purely Islamic, well, purely Islamic is overstating but primarily Islamic movements which to a degree repudiate nationalism although in some ways also as we'll see they reflected such as found in Iran in the Islamic revolution. So that we should at least briefly look at these movements to know what has been the character of most Islamic mass movements. Now when I say nationalist, I mean a few things there's a French, well an Arab scholar who writes in French who would rather call them Nationalitarian movements and that hasn't caught on much in English. But the idea is that nationalists has a kind of an negative if not conservative connotation of the kind of national sorority in power and want to expand their state. And what I'm really talking about, is people who want to liberate their area from colonial rule and set up a new state even if the area is technically liberated, in some cases they regarded as being too subservient to foreigners and want to set up a truly independent state. Now those movements have sometimes been quite secular. They have tended to be what I call multi-class on a class scale as nationalism usually tends to be, going out from the very top I mean, there's a certain group that identifies with the old colonialist but going from near the top to near the bottom of the class stratification but often referred to as bourgeois often having a kind of middle class orientation. And some of these movements have been quite secular surprisingly so, for people who think of the Muslim world in its recent context. Certainly the first of them, that I think is important in our context here, the first that had a really mass basis, was that of Mustafa Kemal later called Ataturk in Turkey, who did lead a mass movement against the treaty that the Western powers were trying to impose on Turkey after world war one, was almost a revolutionary movement for a time. Interestingly, in the period when it was a mass movement, it appealed to Islamic slogans because even in that kind of secular mood of Ataturk which came to the fore very soon after, there was a clear recognition that when you're really trying to appeal to the masses of the population, you use Islamic means and slogans. And that was done in this period when they were kicking out the Europeans who essentially wanted to divide Turkey and leave it almost nothing in the way of an independent state. And as you probably know, they succeeded in this so that Turkey became the only state that was able to rewrite the treaties that had been written at Versailles in the most part after World War One and set up a viable state. Now, other Islamic mass movements or mass movements in the Muslim world, include those in Indonesia against the Dutch after World War Two, which was a massive mass movement. If I may, Indonesia, by the way is the biggest Muslim country in the world in population. And it did include some Islamic organizations which were in their own way, anti-imperialist but Indonesia, It's always had a secular constitution. And even though its population has been affected recently by the Islamic revival or sectors of the population, it's worth remembering that the largest Muslim country in the world today, retains its secular constitution up to date at least, against all attempts to make it more self-consciously and exclusively Islamic. Of course they have a considerable non-Muslim population but that in itself, I think would not keep this Islamic trend out because Egypt also has, for example, also has a considerable number of Muslim population and yet I can see the possibility of an Islamic movement winning out for a time, at least in Egypt. So, Indonesia was another one of these massive movements and actually fought the Dutch for a number of years and attained freedom under this secular constitution kept in by the even though Surkano and Suharto were very much opponents, both of them kept to this secular constitution. And in this immediate post World War two period interestingly, the only state which won it's statehood in a kind of a struggle, kind of a mass movement, which stressed Islam, was Pakistan. And in the case of Pakistan the reason I think was not primarily religious or in a sense even Islamic in a very broad sense but because Islam was the only justification for the creation of the state of Pakistan. Before world war II, only a very small number of people thought about the creation of an Islamic state in what had been the sub-continent of India ruled by the British either directly in most cases or indirectly through princes. And until about World War Two, most people thought that if the British gave or if and when, if or when the British gave freedom to the sub-continent, they would give it to a United Hindu Muslim state. The idea Pakistan first put forth in the 1930's, first adopted as a program of the Muslim League I think in 1940 and the state actually formed in 1947, really amazingly rapid change. And here we hear for the first time some of the kind of Islamic state slogans that we've heard a lot more recently. And yet even here interestingly enough, the first leader and the man most influential in bringing about the state, was a thorough secularist, not a very good Muslim and Pakistan resisted for a long time having an identifiably Islamic or exclusively Islamic constitution and series of laws. And it's only very recently that, that kind of thing has happened. And even very recently, after the current presidency out of hock came in by a coup, it is more a case of putting in a few Islamic punishments and a few Islamic laws as a kind of veneer for what is really military dictatorship than it is of bringing in leaders of Islam in any way to determine the nature of the state. And so we have these various mass movements showing a considerable secularist element, however, much there might also be Islamic elements too. And that's also true of the final one of these great nationalists mass movements I'd already mentioned, that was the one of the Algerians against the French in which again, there were many secularists involved but there was a kind of identity of the common mass of the population with Islam. And because the French had been so heavily identified with trying to make everything in Algeria French and Western, I think there was a strong reaction against that even on the part of intellectuals. And so this mass movement took on something of an Islamic specific tone and there was the notion that they were gonna set up a kind of Islamic socialism. But in Algeria, there's nothing like the degree of enforcement of what I regarded as strict Islamic laws that there is in Saudi Arabia or Iran or even Pakistan. Some of them are enforced indeed. Now, so the largest body then of mass movements in the Muslim world, have been, if you will, if you don't like Nationalists, we can call them National Liberation Movements but they've been national liberation movements, not with a leftist tone that, that phrase sometimes has but much more towards the middle with the either middle-class people or lower middle-class people coming out on top and governments set up, which range from conservative to sort of social democratic but are not going far off to either the left or the right. There is, however, no question that in recent years, what is variously called the Islamic Revival or Islamic Resurgence or a number of other things has been a reality. And in a number of countries in the world there have been movements that have grown up which may not be mass movements in the sense that they involve great masses in the population. But that often, that's deceptive because that often is simply because if they did try to involve great masses of the population they would be very much more brutally suppressed than they even are now. So I think they represent a genuine sentiment on the part of large numbers in the population. And they have tended to react against secularism, against liberalism, against things Western and to come forth with ideas which are sometimes called Fundamentalists. I sometimes use that word but you have to remember that Fundamentalism is a modern movement even in the United States where it originated. It's not traditionalist just going back to the past nothing ever goes back to the past but it's something new and has a strong populist element as well as its fundamentalist claim to go back to the Quran and Quranic punishments and Quranic justice and things of that sort. Now why they appeal, of course it varies from case to case but I don't have time. I mean, unless in the question period, to go into each individual case. Why they appeal in the 60's and 70's of such, I'll call it fundamentals movements at the moment are populous movements, Islamic populous movements. Well, I think there are a number of reasons. I'm not sure the order of the importance of these reasons but some I'll just give them to you without any special order. I think for one thing, there continues to be a much more strongly anti-Western and anti-imperialist feeling in the Muslim world particularly the middle Eastern part of the Muslim world than in many other parts of even the third world. This is partly because of the Arab-Israeli issue that should not be underestimated in which the, in Arab allies and to some degree in Muslim eyes, Israel is seen as a remaining outpost, perhaps the last most important the last important remaining outpost of Western colonialism, which is set itself down in the middle of the Muslim world and is supported by the United States. And so there is reaction against things Western colonial, Western like as in Israel and a feeling that you need to have an ideology which is totally different from that of the West. Now, this feeling is strengthened by the fact that those governments which imitated Western liberalism or even Western social democracy, both in the period between the world Wars and since, were not seen by the masses of the population or the petty bourgeoisie, as having a particularly good record, as having had done anything very much for the masses in the population and therefore the former enthusiasm for such things as constitution, parliament, liberalism things of that sort has largely waned at least in this period and a feeling is that something different is needed. Now in some parts of the world this, \"something different is needed\" feeling, I think has translated itself more often into various forms of Marxism or communism than it has to return to the past. This has not happened in the middle East, In most cases. I'm not sure of all the reasons but perhaps the hold of Islam on the masses is stronger than that of a somewhat, I don't, I hate to use the word more limited but the, I think the ideological systems other ideological systems are more open to outside penetration or to accommodating themselves to outside ideas in some ways than Islam generally is. And so Marxism by those who are believing Muslims in most cases, has been seen as something alien and Western and not too well-regarded by them or by the majority either. And so the desire to return to or to go to something which is different from the Westernism that they'd been subjected to and haven't liked very much or haven't seen very many results from it was much more likely to go to some version of Islam. Now they, both the group that brought in or the groups that brought in the Islamic part of the Iranian Revolution and the small groups in Egypt one of which was responsible for the killing of Saddat but the many other groups active and the Muslim brotherhood elsewhere, all of these groups, don't just revive Islam but they create a really new populist version of Islam which emphasizes certain aspects of Islam, such as social justice and sort of egalitarian idea and ideas in terms of some of their ideologues actually taken from Marxism but put into an Islamic framework and interpreting Islamic terms in these ways. And as I mentioned outside of Iran, most of these Islamic movements have non-clerical leaders. They're young people, often people from the campuses of Egypt let's say or people from the petty bourgeoisie in the cities usually quite well-educated, who present a new ideology of what their Islam is. And although, as I've said in most countries these things are not yet mass movements, I don't at all exclude the possibility that they will become mass movements in countries other than Iran. Now, another thing I think which sped up the spread of this Islamic revival, was somewhat ironically the oil income received by a number of Islamic States. I went to a conference when I was in France in 1977 on the oil X having to do with the oil exporting States of the other hemisphere, the Eastern hemisphere and I hadn't realized until that time, that, well by now in Britain and Norway but these were, we were talking about OPEC countries. And aside from Britain and Norway, if you go to the OPEC countries, all the oil exporting States of the Eastern hemisphere are majority Muslim. Now I think it's just a coincidence. I don't think it's, I regard to Allah, I regard oil as a curse anyhow in many ways so that I don't think it's a blessing of Allah. I think it would have to be regarded as somebody that's cursed but I'll explain why I regarded it as a curse at some point, maybe not right here. But in any case, why should this oil make a difference towards Islam? Well a few reasons, one is that as this conference indicated as more and more people have seen since, oil is at least not an unmixed blessing or income. It is tended, particularly in those countries which have a considerable population unlike Saudi Arabia or the Emirates, to create a situation where people move very rapidly migrate very rapidly from the countryside to the cities. It tends to ruin the agriculture, to encourage very fancy construction projects and corruption both of which benefit the wealthy very much as do some of the other kinds of economic programs it pushes. And so there's a rapid change in demographic patterns toward the cities at the same time as you have an extremely rapid growth in income disparity in the whole between the have nots and the haves. And even if the have nots are making a little more, they can see, well, you know, we have to ascertain need to run this uprightly, we have $20 billion in oil revenue coming in every year and what do I see it, you know, I may get a little bit more but I see everybody driving Mercedes and Cadillacs and things like that and being corrupt and naturally this raises the level of discontent. And this, I think happened a lot of this discontent got directed towards Islamic, radical Islamic movements in many of these countries. And you had some what, some of the things on a smaller scale rising in Egypt under Saddat, even though in Egypt was not a significant oil country, it was getting some of the indirect effect from other Arab countries that were oil countries. And you had the same kind of growth in disparity of income, rapid urbanization and kind of discussed on the part of petty bourgeoisie intellectuals and sub-proletariat of the cities. And so this also leads to a notion of turning away from things Western 'cause you can see once again these big buildup projects and everything are associated with the Western are often owned by multinational corporations. There's a close intertwining with Western interests in these things. And the idea of going back to something indigenous and the sort of old nationalist ideas based on language let's say as in Turkey or Iran, when I say, old, I mean about 40 years old had become associated with the ruling elite in these countries. And so once again, you have a notion of turning back to Islam and often you turn against whatever it is you have. I mean, our countries, you see that in very simple ways when you throw the Rascals out when the times are bad and even now in Europe you see that the countries with left governments are turning right and the countries with right they're still turning left when they're all going through bad times. So on a larger scale, I think the people who saw westernized governments doing badly in a variety of ways would say, \"well, what's our alternative now?\" And if they had been in a period when the rumors were sort of traditionally Muslim there were, as indeed happened in various times since the beginning of the 20th century in these countries, they said, \"well, the way to improve things must be to become more like the West.\" But then if after a period of years that hadn't worked out very well, then there was a natural tendency among many of them to say, the thing to do is go back to Islam. Now, these aren't exactly the same classes. I think I indicated that already the people who tend to be the most westernized, were more Western tied in big traders or bourgeoisie or Western educated people whereas the people tend to be more Islamic are often from lower on the class or stratification scale. Nonetheless, this contrasting trend that I mentioned, I think does exist. Now with all this background we could look very briefly at the Iranian revolution which is a major phenomenon the major phenomenon as a mass movement I think, in this Islamic revival although, as I've indicated I don't think it's necessarily the last we won't see, I think massive movement of this scale again, I mean it's something practically unique in the world history, people in urban centers going out in the millions and standing up to being shot at and things of that sort. But we may see some mass movements in other countries. Now, why Iran? I don't pretend to know all the compensation offered directed against the British primarily, in order to assure Iranian independence from foreign control. This lasted only two years from 1951 to 53 at which point it was overthrown with a great deal of US and British planning in the overthrow although there were important sections of the Iranian population which also joined into this. This is sometimes forgotten. I was mentioning, I think at dinner that people often tend to look at things, as simply the virtuous third world countries against the vicious Western countries and this is an oversimplification. Within each country you are, whether a third world or Western world you have very contradictory forces and you did there too. Now this was a mostly secularist movement again, only towards the evenly mostly secularist and of the various nationalist movements I talked about. It did have some religious allies, some of the most important of whom actually left the movement before it finished and joined in with the opposition. And there were clerical elements in the opposition to most of that, that were very important. But when we come to 78, 79 you have quite a different picture of a heavy clerical involvement. Now, again I'm not sure I can analyze all the reasons for this change, partly it was simply that and this may apply to other countries later too, It's much easier to suppress secular opposition movements in the Muslim world than it is to suppress the clergy. It's almost impossible to suppress the clergy. That's very important. And indeed the secular opposition movements were suppressed and hounded, the Shah had very effective secret police and the National Front practically ceased to exist. The Two Day Party leadership point abroad almost ceased to exist. The only thing you had that was active, were small guerrilla movements which have since become much larger movements the Mujahedin and the Fedaiyan. But these really were not, they had sympathy in the population but they didn't have great numbers as far as we know in terms of members before the revolution. Now it's relatively easy if you've got an efficient secret police in your despotic to put down these movements or to reduce them considerably but it's very hard with the clergy that is the, you'd get a cleric, making a statement in the mosque about tyranny a thousand years before and martyrs and opposition and justice and things like that. It's, there's a kind of a code where you knew which tyranny was really being referred to and which martyrs and which strugglers were really being referred to under the names of people who had lived hundreds of years before. And you can't arrest somebody for talking about that. And so there grew up a kind of a loose network of an oppositional clergy. Certainly not all the clergy were opposed to the Shah, that's a kind of a myth that people have now but important of these were. And because of some of the reasons I indicated in the rise of Islamic sentiment, there was a kind of a coalescence of this movement on the part of some of the clergy. Generally, those who came from peasant rural origins with a kind of a new intellectual movement towards Islam associated particularly with a person named Ali Shariati, which actually incorporated some Marxist and socialist ideas into its interpretation of Islam. And these two things went with this kind of over rapid economic change and it wasn't only over rapid but it was the way it was done, top heavy everything going to favor the people at the top rather than bottom. And this plus the general reaction against the secret police, against various forms of oppression and an economic downturn beginning 75 or 76 which also is a kind of thing that often precedes a revolution and upward turning for a while and then a downturn. These things all created a very volatile situation which did indeed culminate in revolution. That's a very schematic thing I've had to go into so briefly because of the time at my fingers or wherever it is. But I wanted to go over briefly, to say that although some of these elements exist in other countries, the structure of the Iranian clergy was something quite different which doesn't exist in other countries. As some of you know, Iran is what we call a Shiite country and partly and not so many as the majority of Muslim countries. Partly because of that and partly because of simply the historical evolution of Iran. The Iranian clergy has been probably, the most independent clergy in the world. Independent of the government, they had their own income, their own taxes, their own networks and this put them in a position to develop political leadership of the opposition, to the Shah in various periods from the over about a century. This isn't the first time, although it's the biggest. And so that gave them a kind of unique base which is not true of the other Islamic movements in the Muslim world, as I've already suggested, those movements are not clerical by and large by large the clergy in those countries tend to follow whatever government is in power. In Egypt, you have beautiful quotations about socialism and liberalism and whatever it was Nasser wanted to pass coming from the leadership of the clergy. These people are despised by these new Islamic movements but the fact that these new movements don't have that kind of base in the clergy means not only that they're different from Latin America but more importantly, that they're different from Iran. And I think makes it unlikely that we're going to see that kind of large scale mass clerical movement that would repeat the Iranian revolution but we may see other kinds of movements that in fact in some cases will go come into power. But I just want to say, or could come into power. But before I leave it for questions on that last note about the possibility of coming into power in other countries and I wouldn't make a particular prediction by the way on any particular country there, Egypt is certainly a possibility but I don't know whether it's gonna happen. There's also the other side of this coin that should be remembered and that is that, in the Muslim world as elsewhere, ideological or political trends come and go, they go up and they go down. And although what we've been seeing in the last 15 years or so tends to be moving in the direction of what's called Islamic revival, I think that this is not necessarily a permanent trend. And I think people can get just as disgusted with Islamic governments as they got with those they regarded as too Western or secular. I happened to be talking to some people the other day who said that this was already happening in Pakistan. Where as I said, Ziar Hakim in a sense, was just using Islamic punishments and Islamic laws on the whole to cloak a military dictatorship, which is not all that popular. Now, of course you can regard to react two ways to this, you can say, this is not real Islam and we're gonna bring in real Islam but it seems that in Pakistan at least some people, of important numbers are reacting in the opposite direction and saying we'd rather have the more secular kind of government we had before this government. So I think particularly once a government calling itself Islamic comes into power and doesn't come through just as the previous secular governments haven't come through, we're more likely to see a movement to various kinds of secular solutions whether liberal on the one hand or leftist on the other, in a number of these countries. So in other words, the Islamic revival while very real, yeah, I don't think is necessarily a permanent phenomenon. This doesn't mean that I think Islam is going to disappear by any means anymore than Christianity has but that since it can be interpreted in any number of directions, that there are at least in some countries in foreseeable future, maybe a secularist counter trend not anti-Islamic I think but one which tries to bring in more secular comings of reforms and perhaps to reach something more effected by the masses of the people, to reach the masses of the people as few of these earlier secularist countries have, if it's insisted upon by the masses of the people themselves. Okay. Okay. I'll take my own questions. I'll just say before I do that, that I'd like them to be really questions and that I'm not gonna engage in long dialogues with any individual. Okay. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Can you take any comments please?\r\n\r\n- Brief, very brief.\r\n\r\n- You mentioned about National movements in the Muslim world in the 50's or before that and you mentioned the name of Kemal Ataturk and he succeeded to snob the western world. To correct that, Kemal Ataturk came into power by the western leaders. They made him to be a hero. So and one of the issues to be a leader is that he should disconnect all his relations with the other Muslim world if he's to be an Islamic emperor. They offered him an emperor for all the Muslim world and that was one of the reasons that he came to power which he allowed in terms for the Zion Movements or the Jewish to migrate although it was like an Islamic to have among none there and this is like which we see into existence all of that Came by Kemal Ataturk. The other thing, you know, you said one of the reasons for the open movement it's going now, that strongly we are anti-western. We don't really refuse to ride the American aeroplane or a western car but we don't have the same situation as the industrial revolution when it started in the Western world. There's a lot of corruption happening in the society itself here. If that evolution or if that wisdom thing is gonna break corruption, that's not what we are against then. The second reason you mentioned, that some of those movements nowadays they are taking Marxism phrases and just being attributed in a shape of a Muslim movements. And I want to say that Islam was born and come into power even before Marxism and first war and before all those people. Islam has its own identity. If there is a similarity between Islam and some of the issues in the Marxism or any other things, that does not mean that those people they are trying to imitate or rephrase those people. 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ball","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=12.963,14.51"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cause I'm from California","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=14.51,16.871"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but what if Iran wins the war ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=16.871,19.15"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what if the Imam dies ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=19.15,20.95"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What would you see happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=20.95,23.651"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(Sighs)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=23.651,24.484"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm not quite sure what \"wins the war\" 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Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=136.606,137.439"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e -:\u003c/strong\u003e Regarding the parliament of Pakistan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=138.723,142.147"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You said that the parliament was a 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Well I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=146.087,148.903"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It depends by the strictest of the Muslim worlds,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=148.903,151.92"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I shouldn't judge who is a good 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it!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=1476.76,1477.99"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whether it's from the outside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=1477.99,1480.003"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480/transcript/21245/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(footsteps 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don't want to enter into that kind of argument. Yes?\r\n\r\n- I think I must get a crystal ball cause I'm from California but what if Iran wins the war ? And what if the Imam dies ? What would you see happening?\r\n\r\n- Well, I'm not quite sure what \"wins the war\" means. It could mean a number of different things. I think, Iran itself varies and that is the government varies in what it says it wants to achieve, I mean, sometimes it's 150 billion dollars in reparations. I don't think they're going to get that. I think they would like to topple Saddam Hussein. One of the recent statements indicated that they would be satisfied with toppling Saddam Hussein, without the whole box party apparatus with it. That they might achieve, depending on how far they get militarily. So, I don't think, that that kind of winning, would necessarily have a huge effect on the middle East. Now, as far as Khomeini's dying, if it's quite soon, I also don't think that would immediately mean any major change in government. I think the next leader would come out of his group. But of course, I can't be sure . One never knows. See the one thing, the wild card in predicting. I always say, I don't predict . I just guess like everybody else so it's true . I think that it's very hard to predict anything, but the really wild card in predicting for third world countries is the question of coups. A coup from the army scarcely ever have any basis to judge, whether that's gonna be a coup from the army or not. And people are almost always taken by surprise. So , that wouldn't hurt us. Yes. Sir?\r\n\r\n- Thank you. A very brief question--\r\n\r\n- Yeah?\r\n\r\n- Regarding the parliament of Pakistan. You said that the parliament was a secularist.\r\n\r\n- Yes.\r\n\r\n- What was that?\r\n\r\n- Did I say it was not a good one? Well I'm sorry. It depends by the strictest of the Muslim worlds, I shouldn't judge who is a good Muslim.\r\n\r\n- What is your concept of being a Muslim?\r\n\r\n- Oh I'm sorry, if I said that I shouldn't have said it. Many people, many more orthodox muslims thought he was not a good Muslim. I swear to God buddy, I don't have any strong belief as to what a good Muslim... If I said it I shouldn't have. Yes. This man here, yes.\r\n\r\n- Yes, you mentioned that after Khomeini dies , probably one of his group will assume the power. Well I disagree with that, because today nobody in Iran has been satisfied with the old regime. Did Khomeini or his band or his group? Because as we can see, there are about 20,000 people who have been killed in the prisons, tortured, executed, and about 50,000 contraband prisoners. Khomieni has not been able to do anything that he promised to the Iranian people when he wanted to assume the power. He went first in France, he voiced economic equality of then agreement with social justice, economic justice, better housing and then he came back to Iran he said, \"There are agreements we've put \" You know, all this reaction of the US seemed awesome on the paper, and he was not able to keep any better economic living standards of the people. And when the people wanted what they had filed for or what they had revolutioned for, then he said, \"We didn't have the revolution for melons! To buy the melons cheaper.\" And he said, what his family was saying was that economics belong to asses, it belongs to donkeys that's his point of view on the economy and the whole thing. But, the question that i want to ask you is, that you know when Khomeini came to power, many people were caught by surprise. After the Khomeini came to power, because of the power vacuum. After the shock, Khomeini was intelligent enough to fill this vacuum. And for the future, we have to see who's carrying got the most fighting, the most striving against the communists regime. That's the one who is going to have the best chance to come to power after Khomeini. If the people are happy with Khomeinianist regime, why he has to put 50,000 up in jail, execute them? That's the last question of the society. That's the last question of the intellectuals.\r\n\r\n- Well, I agree with quite a lot of what you said. I never said the people were happy with Khomeini's regime. I don't think anybody at this moment could quote good percentages on how many are for him and how many are against him. Clearly lots are against him. I just, if you look, to be very, I don't think it's cynical, I think it's realistic. If you look all over the world with directs, particularly the third world, and ask, \"Are the majority of governments in the, third world popular with the majority of their populations?\" I think the answer is no! And, I don't think discontent alone is gonna overthrow this regime, I mean, I wish that, that there was this kind of plebiscite politics where if the majority was just dissatisfied, the regime would change, but that's not the way I see it happening all over the world. Yes.\r\n\r\n- You mentioned that Mujahideen group fight with the Shah's regime. And right now, Mujahideens are leading the popular revolt against Khomeini's tyranny. How do you see this movement?\r\n\r\n- Well, you know more about it than I, I'm sure. I don't know what to say about that, I mean, I could go into it, but not probably in a big lecture. It's not a time to argue with at great length. I think they, however that they made an error in choosing to begin their fight back at a time when the Moore situation was really quite critical. That is Iran was really in danger. Now I'm not going to engage in dialogue until it would go around again. And they've clearly had some quote successes. They've killed a lot of big people. but whether that has really, really weakened the regime and really put them in a position to take over, I don't see it yet. Yes, here With the green shirt. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- If you believe that the Islam big practice in Iran right now, is part of this fundamental type, the entire Western, do you believe it's a conflict or hypocritical of the operating regime now be practicing Western technology. Now they're, we're already running their military entrance.\r\n\r\n- Excuse me, let me, let me be clear what I mean by ending Western me. Cause that came up in the first comment too that, that doesn't have anything to do in my mind with, with the most advanced even technology. And it's, this regime has not been anti-technological. It has had in the early days that rather thought it could do more with self-sufficiency and small scale technology than turned out to be practical, but that's not because it thought Islam was against technology. It was much more, I think because of certain sorts of small is beautiful sorts of ideas, opposition to what they had seen large companies and such doing. I mean, it was a different line of economics. If you will, a different line of economic development than what they had seen, and hardly any of these Muslim fundamentalist movements have been anti technological. I mean our fundamentalist movement in Nandy technological, either that for most people, when I talk about any Western, I'm talking to you about two things, mainly I'm talking about Western colonialism and imperialism with its economic, as well as portable aspects. And then the ideas that have been and practices of, of more in the family, its theory of family morals, position of women , that kind of thing also comes into it with, with Muslims, but technology almost never. So I don't see anything hypocritical about their using any technology they want. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Seems like the first thing that Catholics want, when Islamic government comes into power, or Islamic movement its influence is, we're gonna put back into the veil. what , do you think is the symbolic importance of veiling women?\r\n\r\n- Oh boy, you've got, the 64 dollar question there, 64,000, let's first of all, say that, that is one of the first things that happens. it isn't necessarily the first .In looking at the countries, which call themselves Islamic governments and want to make a big point out of it. What one sees that they have in common, is not only what they do to women, but certain other areas, too, for instance, they tend to bring in what they call Islamic taxes. And they tend to bring in certain areas of Islamic law, Islamic punishments, which always make the, at least they pass them. They don't always enforce them all that much, but whatever the flaw being in the stoning. stoning which isn't in the Quran, but it gets, it came in soon after and things of this sort. so that there are certain areas which they do tend to go back to and emphasize. And I picked that if you're going to have to answer why one of these, you have to not only limit it to that one, nonetheless, obviously the one on women affects more people, let's say and more heavily than, the others. And as I say, it's, a very hard nut to crack. It's true that anywhere in the world, men aren't too eager to give up their domination over women. Nonetheless, it's true that in cultures that have had some very limiting practices on women comparable to veiling, they have been given up more easily. I've pointed this out before such as sati, the self-immolation of widows in Hinduism or foot binding in China, not a hundred percent given up evidently. In sati there's still a case every couple of years, but almost, and these things were given up more completely than in the Muslim world. So we can't look at it only as a question of men wanting to keep their domination. Now, one of the areas that I've pointed to is a class difference area, which affects many things that is, it tends for a variety of reasons, be the petty in particular, who have the fewest ties to and gains from Western interaction with Westerners in the West, and are more involved in the traditional economy who want to retain a whole series of traditional things they regard as Islamic. And it tends to be this class that's most rigid on position of women. Whereas the higher bourgeoisie with all sorts of ties to Western Western ideology is more open to greater equality for women. So that there's a class element. so in this class comes into power and, and say, this happened even in Algeria, to some extent, when you have these people coming more into power, as compared to the kind of Bourgeoisie that were richer and more tied to the fresh, you have more restrictions. So even in that socialist society. So it's partly a class question, but that still doesn't quite explain why different from other ancient cultures. And so I come back to something that I'm not too happy with and I've been attacked for, but I, almost have to say that even though I don't think ideology in an abstract sense or a religion is all determining you. One just simply has to say, there must be something in Islam as an ideology. That's very, it's tenacious on people's practices, as well as beliefs. It does, as I said, affect the whole lives of the majority of the people who hold it and what they believe to be truly Islamic. I'm not arguing what is or isn't, but there certainly are certain things in the Quran that can be pointed to, that do reinforce this inequality. And this goes down the line, even with or without the Muslim revival, again, one of the papers in the book, I co-edited women in the Muslim world show, and it showed a whole series of indices and across Muslim countries from East to West, whether it's age of marriage, number of children, education of women, as compared to men and all of these things, the Islamic countries are on the side that, well lets just say would make Western feminists the most unhappy without . And I think it's gotta be the, the content plus tenacity of parts of the Islamic ideology until somebody can come up with a better solution. Who hasn't spoken? Who wants to speak? Let's see, you back here. Yes, you.\r\n\r\n- You indicated before that the kind of U.S is doing in this modern world, and has it's roots in . But if you look at the history, it's possibly much further than that. European divergence and Arabic divergence and then the domination of the so the rivalry seems to go on mutual hostility.\r\n\r\n- You're right, I didn't have time to go into that. Of course you can say it goes back to the crusades at least or something of that sort but I think, if the history of the last 100 years had been different or 150, we wouldn't see it being so deep. I think the most crucial period has been that period of it.\r\n\r\n- I'd like to hear your views. about the wards of reasons, behind the war between Iran and Iraq.\r\n\r\n- Well, what I know is, what I read in the newspapers, mostly. I don't think I can say anything very profound on the one hand of the era. I know you the kind of thing you'd like me to say, I think Iraq became aware that Iran had a rivalry not going back 5,000 years, but going back some years, had become weakened. And that is a can't believe that Iran was much weaker than it really was, as a lot of Westerners did, including a lot of Americans, and that this would be a good time to get back at Iran for what they regarded as the unfair advantage of that Iran had taken by backing the curbs against Iraq in the 1970s, which Iran did with CIA and other help. And this had culminated in the treaty vouchers in 1975, which gave Iran what Iran thought was just, and I happen to think is just. Dividing the shuttle era between the two. And also there was a small territorial thing, which I don't suppose was too important. And so Iraq, the Iraqis, I think, felt they could get back, what they'd had previously, the other side of the shock to the Iranian side. And I think that the question of American involvement, which is what I meant when I said what you'd like me to say, well, may i be wrong. I don't think pending any further evidence that there was direct American encouragement to Iraq from the top of, America to, to do this thing. However, I do think that, I don't know how many people, but certainly at least Brzezinski and perhaps some generals did let the Iraqi's know this was the time of the hostage crisis. Did let the Iraqis know that Americans also thought that Iran was very weak and couldn't sustain a war and that we wouldn't be hostile things of that sort. So I think there was a kind of indirect American encouragement of that sort. Let's see, who hasn't spoken here?\r\n\r\n- I suppose the reason I didn't get into it was because it was almost impossible to get in briefly, but I'll try. I'll say first to begin with that, the Palestinian government, by the way, fits into the, some of the patterns that I mentioned here about that, that might not be immediately obvious. That is, it is a nationalist multi-class movement, which bikes and many of the other nationalist movements sounds radical when it's out of power. I don't know if I'd mentioned that about nationalist movements. But often if it does get into power, sounds much less radical. It's also been influenced by the Islamic revival in the sense that it's speaking much more in Islamic terms in many cases than it used to do, even though a lot of its major leaders are Christians. Now, as far as the recent war in The Lebanon, . I don't have anything terribly original to say about that. Again, so much has been said. I think that bargain was determined to get a form of, if you will puppet control over most or all of Lebanon. From the first, he was determined to get Jamal in, Jamal was regarded as being essentially an Israeli ally, the Palestinians in as great numbers as possible to move away from both of those places from, from Lebanon or from, the West bank and go to Jordan or somewhere so that there could be a greater Israel allied with a \"friendly\" Lebanon or a subservient Lebanon. Now I don't think it's going to work out that way. It's not going to be that easy from a variety of points of view, but I think that's what was involved. Is that an adequate ... I mean, I can't go into the whole thing. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Yes, I was thinking, you mentioned that most Muslim countries, came to regard Israel as a colonial Now, how real do you In particular something like the Egyptian peace treaty with Iran. Just how real is it? piece of paper\r\n\r\n- Well, people have made peaces with people they don't like at all in the past and they've stuck. So I think that, there's been really a great change in the Arab position over the years down to the present. So I don't think that's impossible, but, I also don't think, that there's gonna be a peace like in the next five years or 10 years, that the two parties are gonna sit down and find a ... or however many parties there are, are gonna sit down and find an answer to this question that both sides will be agreeable to. But I still would rather see both sides talking about peace and exploring peace. And just as I'd rather see US and Russia talking about disarmament to the end, talking to immediately, than, cyber rattling, and so in this case, I think it promotes an atmosphere where you're talking to each other and you're exploring and defusing, so that in some future mood, which isn't the current mood on either side, I would say, you might indeed be able to establish a peace. Obviously when the mood on both sides is the way it is now, you're not going to come to an immediate agreement. Yes.\r\n\r\n- Okay, I just want to ask something, Dr. Katie, you've obviously lectured to many classes to many other people like us here tonight. You talked about the movement. Islamic movement in third world and Arabic, communist countries. I have about four questions I want to ask you. One of them is, okay, since you talked about all these movements and where they are and what their implications are, have you yourself studied Islam at all? And apart from that, do you engage in any judgmental discussions, about Islamic or faith?\r\n\r\n- I try not to, I'm not sure that I succeed. I don't know what study Islam at all means. Probably, I mean, in my terms, I have studied Islam at all. Whether I've studied Islam at all on your terms, I don't know.\r\n\r\n- Well, have you studied the aims of the movements that you talk about?\r\n\r\n- Again, I don't know what this question means. I think I have.\r\n\r\n- Excuse me, do we have time for one more question?\r\n\r\n- Yeah over here, this man hasn't talked.\r\n\r\n- I'm tackling that question, what he's saying that outside what is going on in Muslim countries. I think if you would It is better to bring someone from each side Islamic movement . It is better to get someone from inside Islamic movement, cause what we're dealing with here, we have Muslim, we build up instead those who are organizing this to bring someone from inside. You can't blame some speakers for this revival is coming.\r\n\r\n- Sir what is your question, please?\r\n\r\n- I mean I wonder why instead of blaming some of the--\r\n\r\n- I ain't gonna get a question! Yes I understand what he wants.\r\n\r\n- No, we're saying and you're not even related to it. We're saying that someone who should be here should know about it! Whether it's from the outside.\r\n\r\n- Okay, thank you for your questions, and for coming tonight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/34614/file/103480#t=0.0,1503.60816"}]}]}]}