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I think, however, we do have to keep a compass there because from our Central American context, from the standpoint of the left in Central America, from the standpoint of the Sandinistas and of Central Americans, Latin Americans and others in the Third world who are on the left, proud to be on the left and refuse to be placed on an ideological or political defensive on account of events that may have taken place in Eastern Europe. Still it's our obligation to analyze them because our means to achieve a goal might change, but the goal in itself cannot, and that goal is democracy. The construction of a democracy and democracy defined as political transformation, as social transformation, and as economic development. There's one fundamental warning which we feel has to be given, and that it is that is extremely dangerous to try to view events in our part of the region through what has happened in Eastern Europe. To try to draw the wrong lessons from what has happened in Eastern Europe or the Soviet Union. Because there are those that are precisely using what has happened there to try to buttress their own ideological positions when not their own hegemonic aspirations. They say there was a crisis of socialism in Eastern Europe. Well, fine, others have referred to that, but we can tell you about another type of crisis that's taken place in Central America. And that is the crisis of capitalism, the crisis of capitalist development and the absolute bankruptcy of the political and economic schemes that have led Central America, Guatemala and El Salvador and Nicaragua to a decade of war, to two decades of struggle, 75,000 people killed in El Salvador over the last year, 35,000 in Nicaragua's war against the war that was imposed by the Reagan Administration against our country, 50,000 before that in overthrowing a dictatorship. And yet, somehow we are now being told that many of those schemes, that that type of development that led to that type of crisis that led to that violence should now be the new recipe for Central America. It's almost a back to the future part three. The same neoliberal policies, because now we are being told that the answer is free markets, that the answer is liberalism, that the answer is unfettered capitalism, and all of that is supposed to be synonymous with democracy. Again, this may be an interpretation coming from Eastern Europe, coming out of the failings of a particular political models that were imposed there. But we have often invited the Eastern Europe that before they embraced capitalism, they shouldn't view capitalism through the mirror of West German Mercedes-Benz, they had rather have a little tour around Central and Latin America to see the other face of capitalism. And how had that has been working for the past 150 years. In Central America, still, we see that there is new hope dawning in the 1990s. Upon new hope that has as much to do with internal developments than with international ones, with both and in which the transformation in Eastern Europe does play a part. Although, we have to be very careful once again, not to fall into that other trap. You see, we used to be told that the crisis, that the problems, that the wars in Central America, were the product of the East-West conflict. You remember the Soviet beachheads and on the mainland of Central America and the Sandinista stooges of the Soviet Union, and we were going to swallow up and Texas and represented a mortal threat to the future of Judeo-Christian civilization, because we were an extension of the Soviet empire? Now, we're being criticized because we're not sufficiently pro-Soviet. And now we're being told that the crisis were the product of the East-West relation, and now that the possibilities for peace are also going to be the product of the East-West relationship. So if we make war among each other, it's because Moscow and Washington were fighting each other. And if we cease to make War is because Moscow and Washington somehow had an agreement between them, as though we don't have our own independent capacity to make our own independent mistakes or find our own independent solutions. It's ethnocentrism in both cases, which we have to reject. So the study the impact of the new international situation and what it means for Central America. We've gotta look at the background of where we've come from. We've come... In Nicaragua, we faced a war for survival. Between 1981 and not until five or six months ago, we were faced with an outright comprehensive Washington directed military, economic, political, diplomatic and ideological offensive, which has very few precedents in the world. It's hard indeed to gauge and to draw lessons from the Nicaraguan Revolution when indeed at the 10 years, eight were of war. Still, there were reasons by the end of that decade, there were new factors that made it possible for Nicaragua to be able to advance in a deepening of the revolutionary struggle, a deepening of the revolutionary process, which is not incompatible with the Sandinistas having lost the election, because it does spell progress. It does spell and indicate revolution. The very fact that we were able to carry out and organize a free and fair election, and that for the first time in Nicaraguan history, the first, a government and party in office turned over power to its opposition peacefully. That we're proud of, and that we would hope can be the course for other countries in Central America. In this particularly in Guatemala, particularly in El Salvador, that will set aside the resort to violence, the resort to killing as a means of solving or of addressing the inevitable social contradictions. A regional peace process began to take place, the Esquipulas Peace Process in late 1987. Once the Reagan administration was practically forced to begin to change its policy, to come to the realization that the Sandinistas could not be overthrown. And having won our right to survival as a political entity, a new political space was opened of which elections were a part. But elections, we should stress as part of a broader process of political transformation. Elections such as had never been held in the history of Latin America, designer elections with unprecedented guarantees and facilities for all sectors of the oppositions, including the Contras, with facilities for the opposition of parties that are not even given in this country, such as access to foreign financing, which is prohibited by American law, we allowed. That was part of the advance toward democracy, but it was also a new model being put forth, which could be applied to El Salvador, which could be applied to Guatemala, which could be applied to Mexico, or even to Chicago, if you wished. That is to say a model of election that with unprecedented levels of international observation could ensure that it was fundamentally free and fair, and open to the participation of all sectors, and they would feel that they could mobilize that they could participate and campaign. Never before in the history of the United Nations, had the United Nations been requested, for example, to send an observer teams to an independent country. It only had happened with countries that were on their way to independence. And then not simply to observe the balloting, but rather to observe, to monitor, to supervise and to report to the world freely and unfettered of the development of the entire electoral process, right from voter registration, through the campaigning access to the media, access to financing, access to transport, everything that they should want. This was a new model of elections, and it is something that we feel it can and should be taken up by the rest of the Central American governments, because we dare the government of El Salvador and we dare the government of Guatemala to hold elections, such as the ones that we did. And abide by the results such as we did, we feel now that there are conditions and the possibilities to advance to that type of mechanisms to end the bloody conflict in this country, or at least put the conflict on civic legal terms. And these are what the negotiations taking place now in Guatemala and in El Salvador are all about. There is now a tendency on the part of the FMLN in El Salvador, and the part of the UNRG, illegal, previously illegal, an armed organization to place greater and greater emphasis on negotiations on the political peaceful settlement of the conflict for several reasons. One is because our peoples are weary of war. The human toll is too high. We cannot overestimate the capacity of a people to undergo continued sacrifice. There's nothing romantic about the armed struggle, and the armed struggle is never an end in itself. It's a means to an end, when all other means have been exhausted. But what we see now is the possibility of other means being an opening up. And we have to be able to seize them, means that have opened that are beginning to open up principally on account that because of the military effort, on the part of the insurgent movements, and because of new levels of political awareness and mobilization, the FMLN and the UNRG in Guatemala have now reached positions where they cannot be ignored as fundamental factors in their society and whose own opinion, whose own representativity has to be taken into account and cannot simply continue to try to be smashed by way of counter-insurgency campaigns. So that they might be able to reach a stage where political reforms can take place that will give them full, free and unfettered, right to political, legal, political mobilization, to organize openly, to compete in elections, and more fundamentally not to get killed. To reach a stage, such as the one we have reached in Nicaragua, that for all the conflict that will continue, we can say at least one thing that people aren't killing each other in our country anymore, nor is there a possibility that there's going to be the type of military backlash such as the Chilean suffered in 1973. This represents in our terms, in terms of the Third World, a major historical advance, a new stage of the revolution, a stage of the revolution, which does not necessarily require that the FSLN be in power, but it does require that the FSLN that the left be recognized as a legitimate actor and that it be respected on account of the representativity that it has in society. So this is a positive trend evolving out of Central America. And what we see now in 1990 is that the new international atmosphere can be conducive to accelerating this trend toward political negotiations, toward the peaceful settlement of disputes. Because along with the collapse of communism, there's also been the collapse of anti-communism and no longer can certain cliques in our countries, particularly in what the modern El Salvador automatically waive the anti-communist banner, call any leftist, a Soviet stooge, and receive floods of American military assistance to carry out a counter-insurgency. You see developments in Eastern Europe in that context, have weakened the extreme right in our part of the world, because their rationale for exploitation and for repression has been shattered, and they're going to have to find a new one, and they're going to have trouble convincing other sectors of civic society that the anti-communist banner has to be sustained. Well, that argument simply doesn't hold, it doesn't hold here. On Gorbachev is more popular in the polls than Bush and being pro-Soviet, there's actually something positive now and can win you adherence from the middle sectors. So this is an opportunity, but still we have to be very specific about whether these opportunities can be seized upon. Maybe more than opportunities, they're historical necessities, but simply because they're opportunities or necessities doesn't mean that they will materialize automatically. in order to end that type of conflict. We see still three fundamental obstacles for the realization of that political transition of that social transformation, and toward the economic development that would spell not only peace, but democracy also. The first is the economic component. The transformation in East-West relations does not entail transformations in North-South relations. If anything, the North-South stranglehold continues, the political detente between the great powers has not translated itself into an economic detente between developed countries and developing countries. The resources that were to have been saved by ending the Cold War, remember the peace dividend? Well, we were naive enough to believe that a lot of it could have been channeled toward development. Others were naive and believed this was gonna be channeled to social programs. Looks like we both were disappointed. That stands as an obstacle still because there's no new international economic order to compensate the new international strategic order. And that stands against those necessities, continued to materialize, what's more the stranglehold and the influence of the IMF, The World Bank is as great, or as greater as it ever has been over our own countries. We are steadily losing our sovereignty, and not simply on a counter of military interventions, which may or may not be a feature of the past, not to come around, we're still not sure about that, but the economic intervention has been drastically stepped up and now takes the form of the so-called structural adjustment programs. And it is defended in the name of neo-liberalism. And indeed is defended in the same breadth as an argument is made in defense of the lessons of Eastern Europe. Secondly, we have to be realistic about it, the Soviet withdrawal from the Third World has left nationalist and revolutionary movements, relatively isolated. We have lost what was a counter balancing power and influence, which presented itself, not only in the form of AK47s for movements that had the resort to the armed struggle, or it had to in El Salvador, or now a government such as Nicaragua or the ANC in South Africa, or the Mozambican government. I'd read manifests itself also in the form of the end of alternative sources of financing of credits that were very important and perhaps politically more important than economically important, because, and so far as you had another source, you were able to diversify your dependence and therefore increase the margin of your political autonomy, that is gone. And that is an obstacle to further change. And so far it's a lot of that support was helping to propel some needed changes. And let's make no mistake about it, in South Africa, as in Nicaragua, the struggle or the defense of liberation would have not advanced very much, had it not been able to count the way it did on Soviet support. Well, that's finished. And it's finished in the name And it's finished in the name of a new brilliant scheme put forth by Gorbachev, which basically says that on an international order law and respect for self-determination should be the governing norms of conduct among states. And they've applied it to Eastern Europe and you see the results there. And that is absolutely commendable, that is absolutely commendable. The trouble is you need two to tango trouble is that, that is posed as a scheme, as a frame of reference, which is in many sense, nothing more than the recapitulation of the United Nations Charter. The real question is will the United States apply those same rules in Latin America and the rest of the Third World? And there, we've got some doubts. Where's the Central America, where's the respect for self-determination, in Nicaragua or in Panama, independently of what you might think of Mr. Noriega. Where's the in U.S-Cuban relations or has U.S support for the Savimbis in Angola or for the Pol Pots in Cambodia ended? They continue to receive substantial annual CIA budgets. And yes in Salvador, the Congress said that support that the military funding, from military arm supply to the Salvadorian Army should be ended, but the British Administration was furious and lobbied intensively and at a very high level to try to keep that bill from passing in both houses of Congress and is now threatening to veto it that doesn't sound like to us And this is important because unless we see a change in American attitude, unless we see some movement for a , then this process of negotiations in El Salvador and Guatemala, and indeed also in the Philippines and in South Africa and in Mozambique, and in Angola and in Cambodia might be truncated because there are too many people in Washington that continue to think that the defeat of communism, that the collapse of Eastern Europe and that the internal troubles in the Soviet Union give indeed the United States a green light to reinforce. to view, frankly, of many people making policy is that the end of the Cold War represents an opportunity to defeat the remaining revolutionary leftist threats in the Third World, rather than pushing, as Gorbachev would insist, negotiated settlements. And that's where we are at this point, will the United States resist the temptation to proclaim victory and go in for the kill? Will the United States resist the temptation to proclaim victory in Nicaragua, and now try to destroy the Sandinista Party and now try to destroy the FMLN and now try to destroy the Guatemalan left. We hope not. We hope that indeed a page can be taken the right lesson can be derived from the events in Eastern Europe. And that the end of the Cold War can also be transferred to North, South, political and economic relations and to U.S relations with Latin America and with Third World movements in particular. We don't pretend here to be fatalistic about it, but indeed, I come from a country that's been invaded five times in its history by the United States. I mean, there were invasions before the Cold War during the Cold War, and there's been a couple after the Cold War too, but can this not spill an opportunity for the United States to change its historical pattern of behavior toward the left in Central and Latin America and toward the left in general, at a moment that the left, the responsible left the viable left, not that the crazy Sendero Luminoso , but that the left that indeed is probably going to come to office before the decade is over. And many of these countries, will it comes to terms with them and will it respond with creativity, with imagination, with flexibility, indeed with maturity and pragmatism and engage them, now that the left is also beginning to think of negotiated settlements. The future of South Africa is not going to be decided anymore in the military field, it's being decided in conversations. And Mozambique, three weeks ago, a constitution was approved, opening the room for other political parties and preparing the way for elections. And Angola negotiations are already underway and constitutional changes are being visualized again with the view to culminating in elections and let the people through their votes in a free, fair, and secured and internationally observed elections, not the type of elections we have during the Cold War. A Nicaraguan type elections decide the future of their country and let the left abide by those results such as we did in Nicaragua, because if the price we had to pay to prove our democratic credentials was losing the elections, then maybe it was worth it. That the price we had to pay for ending the war was losing the election, then perhaps it was worth it, even though we had to wage that election with an enormous stack decked against us, but it was important to come across and to ensure the legitimacy of the left in this context, that's the political component. What do we do about the economic ones? What are the alternatives? If on the political scene, we're talking about political transformations and the constitutional orders and the security orders, political transformations that require the restructuring of the military. There's not going to be any political reform in El Salvador as long as you've got people in the army that murdered Jesuits and murdered peasants. That type of reform. If indeed, we are able to make it to that point, if indeed, through negotiations, we're willing to, the elections are held, the fascists are eliminated peacefully, then what do we do about the economic picture? Do you know what Ronald Reagan said after the election in Nicaragua? That it was one more Sandinista dirty trick. That we had thrown the election. So that the United States, could then come in, fix up the economy, and then we could go back and run the country into subsequent election. There's a political basis to that. Reagan probably didn't realize it, but there's something there. And that given the economic picture, this is not a good period for the left to come to be in government anywhere because we are on the defensive economically. And quite frankly, the alternatives, we're only beginning to think of how do we deal if we do come to power with the World Banks and with the IMS and the absence of a socialist camp, inheriting structures of dependence. So all of us come to power and we advance in political transformation and we advance in social transformation, but where's the economic sustaining of that? The bankers tell exactly the same thing that they would tell Danielle Ortega, they don't care who's president. The message is the same, you pay. And that's a problem we're up against. And we had the left has too, but it was practically no alternative, even if government then to try to deal with structural adjustment programs. And we can't.. It'd be much easier to sit on the sidelines as academics or as analysts and watch the Nicaraguan government collapse. We have to begin thinking of how we're going to deal with this new world, the age of Perestroika in economic terms, politically, we are advanced, but what are the alternatives to this neo-liberalism, which is also a fundamental component of U.S domination, let's not make any mistakes about that. Mr. Bush announced a plan and initiative for the Americas on June 27th, and that there should be a common market from Alaska to Patagonia. Suspicious and surprising return and rediscovery of Inter-Americanism. Indeed is this part of the new economic order? indeed is this part of the new multi polarity that they say is now the new feature of the international system? That means that the Germans are going to dominate Europe. The Japanese are going to dominate China and Southeast Asia and the Americans reinforce their control over their own backyard, breaking down what they feel are commercial barriers, but also barriers against foreign investment, greater integration, a greater role for American multinationals. The signs are on the wall and here on the left, we've got a problem because we don't have a response to that chapter. And we've got to do a lot of thinking quick, because we just may be in government and we can't be unrealistic. And if we can't simply come out and say, \"we refuse to deal with structural adjustment programs,\" we're going to have to come and say, \"well, let's try to get the best deal possible.\" The challenge on our part in this new world, and it's the same challenge that the ANC is going to is going to face if it comes to office over the next few years, or any new progressive government, because we simply can't afford only to oppose. We've got to formulate clear alternatives, just as people in this country have to form and have formed alternatives to Reganomics. And maybe in that sense, the collapse of the Eastern European governments as a positive thing, maybe in that sense, the ideological shaking of socialists thought is good. So we can get rid out a lot of that dogma and have a clear slate to do some new thinking, realistic, pragmatic yet principled thing. We're not quite clear on where it goes from here, but we do feel we have to work on it. We have to believe, start working on schemes that will address themselves to the development of the internal market. Schemes that will count with the support of the people. Popular projects of structural adjustments, if we can hit those and not contradictions of terms, expanding internal markets, development based on redistribution of income and not just giving the big capitalists, the say or control of our governments, privatization of governments. New alternatives that are going to be geared to social movements, to change in social economic structures, to new processes of class and social formation and a new awareness of the new international reality. These are our tasks because we've got two decades of struggle that we've built upon. We will not be fatalistic. We will not be placed on the defensive, but we have our work cut out for us. And in that job, we're going to need a lot of help because we do believe that a new world order is in the making, but we just have to make sure it responds to the needs of peoples here and throughout the world and not to that out of the wealth and not to that of capital. Thank you.\r\n\r\n- Okay. Thank you, Doctor . If anybody has any questions, agreed to try and answer them so go ahead. Yes, sir.\r\n\r\n- I'm not aware of\r\n\r\n- There's no answer to that. The next elections that are scheduled to be held in Nicaragua in 1996. And at this time we hope that the laws of politics are going to work on our behalf. We tried to define the laws of politics, which says that people that are economically discontent, blame their governments, throw them out and put in those that are offering change even if it's no change at all. We thought we were gonna be an exception to that, and we were wrong. 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I mean, even when we were in the government we were drawing up liberal foreign investment laws. The, the, the the contradiction is what it always has remained and that is how to how to make compatible economic integration and which we cannot turn our backs on the new on the world market with sovereignty. His wish sufficiently old fashioned to believe in sovereignty, even though many of our friends on the right and the name of then greater need to integrate into the world market and and tear down the barriers are throwing sovereignty out the ban and telling the IMF and the world bank you run our monetary and fiscal policies. We can't be absolutist about sovereignty either. I think their is sovereignty in the terms that we have known it over the last 30 or 40 decades it's out the boundaries of sovereignty are receding but maybe we could, we just have to be able to learn to give in on the formalities in order to better preserve the substance of sovereignty to preserve the essence of self-determination. And in that context foreign investment can and should be welcomed. We have learned enough of the way capital works and it's that sometimes it's worse to be exploited by national capital than it is by foreign capital. Don't take sovereignty to that extreme. And indeed, if you can, if there can if we can't foresee equitable forms of capital to come in and of course they're going to demand repatriation of their, of their profits, but where it should not take place at the price of human dignity, at the price of human exploitation. I know there's a tension there, but it can, it can be resolved. We have to find a formula. I don't see any other alternative, yes.\r\n\r\n- Is it a form of investment that you prefer. I mean as far as joint ventures or life sincere managements for, for capital?\r\n\r\n- Everything is being rethought now. I mean, not, not that there's a huge line of, of private investors that are there waiting to invest in central America. That's not it, but you do have something very important taking place now and in an accelerated form. And that is the sub regional integration of markets. There's a lot of talk about the new the new common market with Mexico and the central American presidents are going to be meeting with the Mexican president to see about central American integration into the greater economic links with Mexico in turn two weeks ago, Argentina, Woodway, Paraguay and Brazil signed a new agreement that is practically cutting down to a minimum their commercial trade barriers. These two are part of the new of the new political and economic order. And I think they have to be supported. I mean, there's, it's, we're not against the concept of integration per say. I mean, that's, that's being dictated by, by the by the velocity and the complexity of, of the world economy to technological and financial necessity what we have to learn how to do it's a fight for the best terms of integration and maybe in a sub regional way. We can, we can define just what, what codes would be better. And not simply because five brains or five countries think better than one but certainly five negotiate, have a better collective more collective and a bargaining power than simply one because if the United States takes us on a one-to-one basis, we're finished. Hence, the answer just may be in greater regional integration. I don't think that either on a political or an economic basis, there there is a possibilities for national answers anymore. Certainly not in central America but perhaps not in the rest of the third world. And that indeed if we are going to defend our sovereignty politically and economically, it's going to have to take on a more in the form of a collective effort and in a collective way then go in and bargain with the United States. And not only with the United States but with the new European block and with and with the Japanese, again, maybe it's too much to aspire to be economically independent. But what we can do is to reduce the levels of our dependence by diversifying the sources of our trade, of our markets, of our, our of our sources of technology and tier governments even if they're right wing ish, have to begin thinking along those lines and are thinking along those lines and even though they might be just as dedicated to freedom of enterprise the free, the free market and and deregulation and privatization, they still have got their contradictions with the, with the United States. You think the Mexicans are going to let, let the let the common than the common market agreement or the free trade agreement entail that the, that the American oil companies take take over Mexican petroleum. That's in their constitution, and there's a huge debate on it, but, but we have to watch watch this very closely because in other areas the Mexicans are willing to say, take it it's yours and take some of our migrants and our tomatoes they're yours. The right is thinking faster than we are. There's a good article in this issues, this business week the issue of this week on this, on this subject. It's interesting, yes.\r\n\r\n- On the other hand you have companies like green giant, for example, which employed I don't know how many workers in California,\r\n\r\n- What?\r\n\r\n- Green giant, you know, the canned vegetables\r\n\r\n- A jolly giant.\r\n\r\n- Right, and you know, they laid off all their employees They were paying 7 dollars an hour because now they can open a plant in Mexico and pay 15 cents an hour however much they pay. And this is what you're gonna see too you see. So I don't see, I mean, this is fine and dandy but if you stretch it too far\r\n\r\n- No, I'm, I'm not giving it my, my seal of approval. I'm just saying that we have to we have to take it seriously. And we have to look at it. We have to study and so do the American people. That's what this, this article in business week just talks of the massive moving of industries and of capital to the other side of the border where wages happened to be 1/14 of what they are in this country. What does that do? What to, how does the working class in this country feel about that? So you're all part of this debate, the same way we are. And that's why these types of dialogues have to take place because our alternatives has to be a broad base multinational popular alternative.\r\n\r\n- Is there a possibility that you might see it on the central American level?\r\n\r\n- Not, not in a central American level there have been initiatives. And that was a big failure of the 1980s in terms of, in terms of Latin America the debtors cartel never got off the ground. The tendency was for bilateral negotiations. Everybody's everybody was trying to save their own their own skin. And the results of that have, have been disappointing but maybe it has to be it has to be looked at again. Precisely one of the, one of the aspects of integration is being able to look once more collectively at the debt question. I don't think that on a central American basis we're strong enough to tell, to, to, to tell to tell the banks to stick nor are we sufficiently political coherent but we just may be moving in that direction. And I don't, and it's not a question of whether you're going to whether you're going to pay your debts or not. It's not a question on what terms you're going to pay them. We've gotta be realistic about that too. If not you're automatically cut off from new sources of funding. And particularly in the case of the central Americans, the the component of foreign of foreign assistance and of private and especially governmental foreign governmental lending is very high. And now because you've got these cross conditionality schemes the IMF is not gonna give you 1 cent unless you've made an arrangement with, with, with your with your commercial debtors and vice versa. Too bad and you're just unless we go off and live on another planet somewhere. It's not, we don't have any alternative but to deal to deal with them. But again, the more collective the better\r\n\r\n- Could you comment a little bit about the internal political situation and the struggle seems to be ensuing over some of the fundamental structural changes of the revolution, for example, manager forum and the state room enterprises and that sort of thing. And you know will those changes be able to be successfully protective during this experiment?\r\n\r\n- I think the Nicaragua, the Nicaraguan revolution which is not over is going to have to be evalued not so much on the basis of the elections but whether the social, political, organizational and mental transformations that took place over the last 10 years proved to be irreversible or not. We have a pretty good hunch they will lead. It wouldn't have made sense to go to elections if they hadn't. It wouldn't have been a revolution because revolution does not equate the government being an office. Revolution means that people have required a sense of their own power, of their own dignity, of their own capacity to organize and of their own capacity to demand their legal rights. And what's more, those rights are in the constitution. Legality is on the side of the people still a right wing government was elected and it has a right wing program. And it's going to try to implement that program but it's going to it's going to run up against vested interests and society vested, revolutionary interests which have a perfectly legal standing which have a constitutional protection. And the trouble is that when the government in Nicaragua can't seem to implement its program and, and workers go on strike then they accuse us the Sandinista's of trying to overthrow the government. But when that happens in another country, it's called democracy. Then this is what democracy is, is, is all about. Since when do party platforms and do government programs get automatically translated into policy. No they go into, they go into the to the shove and push, and this is what happened you will see that it's going to, it's taking place on an educational level and the question on land questions, employment policies, fiscal policies credit policies, every aspect of, of of, of, of politics. And in each one of those, there's going to be a tug. There's going to be a clash. First of all, it's going to be a peaceful clash. And secondly, the government is not going to be able to get everything it wants and we are not gonna be able to get as an opposition, everything that we want. And there's, there's going to be some necessary give and take you know there's going to be some reversals there but we have to remember that this government was born out. Mrs. Chamorro was a product of the revolution. This government was elected on account of a constitution that was drawn up by the revolution on account of rules of the game that were set up by the revolution. That were defended upheld and protected by the Sandinista's. And we too have to adhere to those rules of the game because it's under those same rules of the game that we intend to come back in the 1996 elections. So we too have a responsibility to behave civically and to resist any temptation to pick up a gun. This is what the political transformation is all about. And thanks to the revolution, you no longer have an army there that is going to crush workers when they demand their rights. And nor is it going to be an army that moves against the government that it does imply. It's there to uphold the constitutional order, even though Nicaragua was the only country in the world with a right wing government and the left wing army.\r\n\r\n- You think one of the less fortunate lessons of the last decade was the effectiveness of the so-called low-intensity complex. And it seems like that technique is gonna be used repeatedly if deemed appropriate by the US.\r\n\r\n- It could be. I think we have to look at the theories of low intensity conflict all over again. You could argue that, that they were effective in Nicaragua. They just wore us down, wore the people down steadily. Again, we made, we made the mistake of assuming that there was an infinite capacity of people to withdraw to withstand sacrifice and pain. So on the devaluations that we now do the question we ask ourselves is not, why did why did the Chamorro coalition managed to get 56% of the vote. The question we are now asking, how did we manage to get 41% of the vote. In the light of those tremendous constraints in the light of that depression, the light of that pain and part of the conclusion you come to is that means that 41% of the Nicaraguan electric with nothing less than heroic, willing to endure new pain because they were clear Sandinista's and people that voted for Unum was that at the FSLS got reelected the embargo was gonna continue the contras we're gonna continue attacking and nothing was really ever going to get better. And yet they continue and they voted for the FSLN which is an indication of a high level of consciousness particularly but not everyone's a hero. And you have to respect the rights of those that don't want to be heroes. And in that sense, that, that, that type of campaign that type of warfare camp and work not to mention the dirty tricks that were blood that were that were waged during the campaign, they made use of the American money, the manipulations, The the attacks that took place, that intimidated people. On the other hand, if the objective of the United States and of its low intensity warfare was to eliminate the revolutionary option in central America to eliminate and to, and to question the Sandinista's, which is what Reagan vowed to do. They failed, we are now and continue to be the strongest, most effective most coherent, organized political force in Nicaragua. The government doesn't even have a political party of its own. It's 21 parties that are that are feuding among themselves all the time. So we, so we survived. And in historical terms we won.\r\n\r\n- One more question I think is enough.\r\n\r\n- Please.\r\n\r\n- What do you think would be named during revolution of government will it be the factionalism or maybe press in the opposite direction? What is the left wing going to do to ensure communism.\r\n\r\n- It's a hard question. A lot of us don't even wanna think of going back to government for a while. But the main core of the band the main thing we got to look at right now is whether we're going to allow this government to collapse or not. It's not whether we're going to overthrow it. Two weeks ago, there was a a concept a social. The government indeed agreed to modify. It's, it's the broad, it's its economic program in order that it could get some consensual support from the unions. And the frente came out in support of that had we refused to do that. Had the unions refused to do that see it's difficult to conceive that the government could have survived. Yet, there was a sense of responsibility not to allow a collapse because the collapse means political turmoil. Collapse might mean a resurgent of violence. And then everything we've been fighting for could just come tumbling to the ground. And it was a hard decision you know whether to give some minimal support to this government which we feel responsible for yet on the other hand you don't wanna help with too much cause you have to think of the 1996 elections, but but it's, but it's a real, it's a real dilemma. We had to help it because the government is now engaged in a series of foreign missions here in the States and in Europe right now. And they went to Japan to try to procure extraordinary financial assistance. And the principal card that they're taking to the governments is to say, look we have a national consensus here. We have the backing of the FSLN. This is a national request. And frankly we hope that they're able to get those funds. Again, let's hope they don't get too much in order not to create their paradise in Nicaragua and then we're in trouble again, but it's a dilemma. We want political stability. We want economic stability more important than that we don't, we want the state of economic agony of our people to end. And we've gotta put that above our own party interest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2486/collection_resources/41087/file/112934#t=0.0,1343.712"}]}]}]}